The Wrighter’s Block Episode 67 – The Eskimo Libertarian Gets Wrighter’s Block

The Wrighter's Block

Nalik “Eskimo Libertarian” joins Matt to talk about Orange Shirt Day and what it stands for and the vast number of travesties that lead to this day existing.

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what the hell is this
i mean on time
that’s what i meant to say on time
sorry i forgot that part on time yeah
i’ve fallen just notified we’re going
i am swinging from a seven-story window
throwing parties in a 10×7 cell
it’s outstanding the legs i’ll go
to convince the whole damn world i don’t
need anybody’s
cause if there’s room enough for one
there must be
i will be
don’t bother swimming out to save
don’t bother swimming to save me i will
only drag you
i don’t need
yes everybody it is me matt wright your
friendly neighborhood libertarian coming
to you live on this wonderful and
beautiful and fantastic
thursday evening
i truly appreciate each and every one of
you that chooses to spend their thursday
evenings here with me on the writer’s
block because there are a lot of things
you could be doing today and uh you are
choosing to forgo all of those to be
with me
uh so thank you all very much first and
foremost allow me to thank
man i should thank casey nether
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family show such as this one
the show actually comes with a trigger
warning it’s in the notes so i’m not
even sure if this episode is going to be
a uh i don’t even know if this show is
going to be family friendly this this
show might be good for people who would
read jack casey’s books um except
i feel with jack casey’s books at least
you’re going to get a happy ending um
so check those out tell me if you get a
happy ending when you read jack casey’s
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he is running for governor of
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all so much for
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minute uh and only a way that we can and
get away with it uh but
uh so initially as i announced nate
adkins was going to be my guest tonight
but unfortunately
uh for him he had to do some i’m running
for mayor thing i don’t know uh so he
was unable to make it but fortunately
for me
unfortunately for all of you
i can finally say
that i am able to announce on this show
i think on well i think as a guest on
any muddy water show for the first time
i’m gonna go with it even if it’s not
true i’m gonna go with this is true
please welcome with me the eskimo
what welcome to the writer’s block how i
am so happy that you are here with me on
this show as opposed to that other show
on fridays
oh yes that other show you know the one
with eskimo in the name yeah that one
that one
the one that is
the one that used to come on on sundays
and i would watch it while i was folding
laundry and now comes on
right in the middle of date night
yeah that one
you’re welcome
someone likes the nfl so sorry
yeah i do too i was just gonna multitask
um but no i am
i am so happy that you are here um
i’m so happy that you are here i’m i am
glad that i got to bust out my orange
shirt to have you on the show today and
we’re going to get into why we are going
to be talking about that in just a
little bit um
since you are actually a host of your
own show on muddied waters media i feel
like i don’t have to do my normal so how
is it that you came to the libertarian
movement thing because i know that
you’ve told it
before um
but if you want to give us the most
condensed version possible because i
know we have a lot of stuff to get to
today because you did the notes today
and you put my notes to shame
which that’s saying
a lot
so uh in the most condensed way possible
how is it that you found yourself you
know on this island of
misspent toys um
fighting for liberty in a country that
seems to not want it
first off i want to say it’s odd doing a
muddy water show and not saying the
sponsors so thanks for doing that for me
um so pretty much uh
i just started paying attention that’s
like the most condensed way i can put it
i just literally started paying
attention and like when covid hit and i
saw like the government was coming in
with these mandates and they’re like hey
we’re gonna shut you down i’m like they
can do that
and so i just started paying attention i
started reading more and started making
memes and i was like wow
we are living in a much more dystopian
world than i thought we were so yeah
yeah when when all of kovid started
part of me
was like this is going to get really
really bad and
everybody around me is going to um
bend the knee as it were and just say no
we have to bow down to daddy government
we have to bow down to daddy government
and i don’t know what else to say and
but there was another part of me that
was speaking louder going this is not
this is not going to happen this way
we’re not going to go through the
shutdowns that everybody’s talking about
um mass mandates aren’t gonna actually
stick around that long because
in in somewhere deep inside of me the
part that you know still holds on to a
little bit of conservatism i was like
repo like americans don’t do this
americans don’t stand for
people telling them what to do and
well that last bit of republican
conservatism died inside of me because i
watched as many republicans and
conservatives were like no i think it’s
best if we just wore the mask for a
couple of weeks and now we’re getting to
a point where you’re seeing a lot of
who are
you see a lot of them online standing up
saying no i’m not going to do this
this vaccine mandate and i’m tired of
these mass mandates but there still are
many out there going
i don’t want you around me if you’re not
going to be vaccinated so
i have given up all hope in any kind of
change happening in the two-party system
i always kind of held out a little bit
because the libertarian party as much as
i love the members of the libertarian
party uh there are
a lot of problems that i see with the
party itself and that’s why i don’t
think we grow
so now i’m just like well we may as well
just go pure anarchy because nobody’s
gonna listen to it like nobody
everybody’s gonna try to control you and
it is going to come to that
yeah i’m not quite as far into the
libertarian movement yet so like there’s
that whole joke of like difference
between libertarian and anarchist is
like six months six months you know and
i’m still at the like menarches stage
but like you know
you just like your authority you like
diet authoritarianism
oh my god
so i i mean i my page only started a
year ago like
you weren’t doing anything until a year
ago well thank you you are killing it
like so
muddied waters on in december muddied
waters will be five years old
thank you uh and we
have had massive growing pains uh over
the course of those five years uh
anybody who has been following us for
five years understands that we we were
hit with shadow bands early on
we had
issues with ownership between the of the
company for a little bit we got
everything sorted out but we lost our
like button for like a year and a half
we still don’t have one i think they got
rid of it just altogether and i don’t
know um but we lost our like button and
even you have said if you share
something of ours it does not get the
reach that
something you post does um and but in
the year
the year year and a half that you have
been running eskimo libertarian you have
seen massive growth
your reach is unbelievable and
what you are doing to help spread the
is truly inspiring to so many people and
i hear it constantly and i agree with
them every single time um which when i
saw what you and cajun were doing and
then i heard you guys were doing a show
it was a no-brainer that i wanted you
guys to be on muddy waters media with us
like that was a i texted spike i was
like hey cajun eskimo doing a show i’m
going to ask him to be on muddied waters
cool he went yes and i would cool i was
going to do it anyway um
you weren’t gonna have it you weren’t
really gonna have a choice so i was
gonna just go okay
but uh like
because of how
how good you are
both of you both you and cajun are at
spreading the message and how especially
respect well yeah i mean
come on
look at these notes you are well planned
out i feel
like i feel you already know many of
your posts tomorrow um
and next week
oh sorry what yeah fair
fair all right i have no idea i’m going
to be looking tomorrow morning on my
drive to work for things to post
um and then i will delete some of them
later after i realize oh facebook’s
definitely going to kick us off for that
which i had to do today because i was
like that’s really funny and then i was
like oh
no not in facebook world um
with you and cajun the way that you are
spreading the message and the reach that
you guys are able to get you guys are
quickly becoming intrinsic voices in
this movement and
in all honesty it is an honor and a
privilege to say that you have a show on
muddy waters media and even more so an
honor to say you are here talking about
this issue that we’re going to be
talking about tonight with me
yeah for sure this is actually the one
issue that i am the most passionate
about is something like for years i’ve
like kind of been telling people part of
it and i really did a lot more research
and with my platform i am so happy that
i’m getting this message out there and
so many people have talked to me like
i’ve never heard of this before and i’m
you it’s really sad like how traumatic
this is how tragic it is and no one’s
heard about it
in in all honesty i did not know about
orange shirt day until you called and
left a message on tuesday
and when you said hey it’s orange shirt
day like i was here on my tablet here
like um
because because i had no idea about it
um and but after i like i was sitting
here reading about it and i sent it to
uh the director of our hr
um at the at my job um and i said and i
said hey this might be something we
might want to look into i understand
probably not this year
because it’s in two days and that takes
approval um because it’s a company but
uh maybe for next year would be
something that we could look into uh
potentially pushing
um and if so i will consider it a win if
i can convince her to do it next year
absolutely that would be get it cool
yeah right yeah
oh i totally forgot one of my i’ll get
to that sponsor at the end i apologize
to that sponsor he’s in the comments um
no it’s fine we’re just gonna totally
give him product placement
look at this nice
isn’t this a great tumbler though it’s a
great tumbler right buy the power
dishwasher safe right not dishwasher
safe you gotta hand wash these but
totally worth
totally worth this
because all of the like all of these uh
uh additions like
any special things that you want to do
wow i should get one with my little
avatar logo and then my badass one on
the other side that would be so cool you
absolutely should and
spike doesn’t watch the show so i’ll do
this here but on the bottom
it says spike talks too much
it really does like i don’t i don’t know
how leak proof this is yeah no i’m not
gonna try that over my computer but yeah
this is
what it talks
i would have sympathy for him except he
washes his tumblers in the dishwasher in
the dishwasher if he didn’t wash his
tumbler in the dishwasher i wouldn’t
call him out for talking too much when
he goes on one of his rants with my defy
the power
tumbler that i got from defy the power
with my free
didn’t cost any extra
i like how it says man and not guy man
on the left
i grew up
i’m no longer just a guy i’m a man
okay sorry to
i mean i know this is a really serious
subject and i feel bad about kind of
derailing us there a little bit um but
welcome to muddy waters media uh
um but yes i am trying to get that in
place for next year i am trying to get
orange shirt day in place for next year
and uh if so i will consider that a huge
win because that will
be able to spread this message on to
other people um that like me had never
heard of it
so yeah that would be great right
so um
i do have
i have to give a trigger warning
because it’s in the notes um i have to
give a trigger warning this episode
is going to include uh
we’re going to talk about a lot of abuse
and death of children in graphic detail
so if that is something that you don’t
want to hear or you feel might trigger
you uh
this might not be the right episode for
you to watch uh but if you feel that you
are okay with that then please watch
because this is gonna be a lot of
important information and i
am looking forward to having this
conversation but i don’t want anybody
out there getting upset about anything
so i wanted to throw that out there at
the beginning because it’s in the notes
residential schools uh
i know that you’ve wanted to talk about
this for a lot of months uh so what is
the deal with residential schools
so there’s a lot of stuff um this
subject is actually very important to me
because you know i’m the eskimo
libertarian i actually am alaskan native
i’m yupik eskimo if people are
interested in that and so this is
very important to myself um because it’s
actually affected my family uh
my grandma was forced to go to a
residential school and my mom if she was
just a couple years older would have
been forced to go to residential school
so this is how recent this history is
there’s a lot of people alive today that
are affected by this and so
i went through and
kind of have a whole history of how this
all began and so
started in like the late 1700s early
1800s and this is when you know we have
the colonials and everything and there’s
like the native americans
and they wanted to do some westward
expansion and that was very difficult
because there was a lot of nomadic
native american tribes and so you have
people like thomas jefferson i know you
love thomas jefferson you even have a
tattoo of him
so he wanted these native americans to
switch their practice of nomadic life to
husbandry and household arts and then
you have james madison he said it was
time to complete the work of
transitioning the indians indians being
native americans that was the term they
from the habit uh habits of the savage
arts to the comforts of social life and
you know sitting down not being nomadic
right what have you so
this is textbook government thinks they
know best how you should be living your
own life and this is a pattern that we
see even today
you know not that i’m hinting towards
anything specific
so uh
i i actually know this i actually know
one of the words that you used um but i
learned it not too long ago husbandry um
you said that he wanted them to kind of
be geared toward husbandry um that’s
actually that’s like biology right
that’s like caring of animals
um i read it as something else but maybe
you know more about this actually
yeah because they’re trying to change
that word in um
the care cultivation and breeding of
crops and animals yeah um oh okay
yeah uh
so yeah they’re trying to actually
change that word
in today’s lexicon because
patriarchal um
i mean they’re that that’s why they’re
changing it now i i had to go through
and we have a lot of courses that were
husbandry 101 kind of stuff and i had to
change them all to animals okay
yeah agriculture um
but yeah so
so he was trying to get them to stop
their nomadic life and instead be
stationary and focus on
agriculture and uh like fishing and
things like that as opposed to living
the lives that they had been living for
centuries essentially
yeah thousands of years estimated like
10 000 years even though there’s
actually more archaeological finds that
are like long
older than that but yes
you’ve got to let i know that you have
story like you have a lot of stories
from your family um
and james james madison
uh james madison who a lot of people
think is
a decent person um
a lot of the like a lot of the early
founding fathers had a lot of backwards
thoughts and we we all know that now um
at the time they weren’t considered that
way it doesn’t make it right what they
did but
we know that they had a lot of backwards
thoughts um
but uh james monroe
he had a state of the union address in
1818 where he was kind of going into a
little bit of detail on some of this
what was it that he was
yeah so he wanted to address this
problem um because they have you know
they were looking more towards that
western expansion and so um a quote from
his state of the union address in 1818
said experience has clearly demonstrated
that independent savage communities with
savage communities meeting the native
americans savage communities can not
long exist within the limits of a
civilized population and that the
control of the united states over them
them being the savage communities or
native americans should be complete and
those are his exact words and in it he
was encouraging congress to take steps
like he said control the native
americans and make it complete and
so uh
yeah he said i present this subject to
adopt the subject to the consideration
of congress on the presumption that it
may be found expedient and practical to
adopt some vanilla benevolent provisions
this is really important because it was
under the guise of it being a benevolent
provision right
this is much more this is much more like
you’ll see this you’ll see this today
where they are trying to sell you
i don’t know uh vaccine mandates on fear
just as as a random example that i’m
just gonna pull out of anywhere uh you
know vaccine mandates on fear um or you
the ndaa or the patriot act on fear like
this is what they were doing back then
politicians really haven’t changed they
still use fear to get things passed and
this is just another example of them
doing so
exactly and so that’s why i really
emphasized that he said it’s supposed to
be benevolent provision and whatnot and
so that’s how they passed the indian
civilization act of 1819 and so that was
passed in march and it was ten thousand
dollars that they annually use for
indian education and so the idea was
like we’re gonna you know if we build it
they will come you know because hey we
know best how to live your life and so
over the next 10 years they made 52
schools and
this was by the federal government and
by christian missions so a lot of people
credit this to just christian missions
but the federal government had a big
hand in this
and so this was supposed to be by choice
and they thought the children were gonna
be flooding in
but surprise surprise they’re like no we
like our way of life we’re not gonna go
do that
it literally took them five years
to start doing this by force
all right we’re going to force these
children into these schools five years
okay so they’re
god there are so many parallels i can
draw to today um i know yeah we’ll just
de-monetize this episode um
no you’re fine totally fine i’m okay
with actually the stuff we’ve been
getting away with recently and still
being monetized unless it’s your show
cajun um
all of our episodes are being monetized
except for cajun um
i i i request reviews on all of them um
so they figured that people were just
gonna be like oh good the government’s
here to help which
as much as i understand people don’t
like reagan
he was right when he said those are the
scariest words you can hear
um i’m from the government and i’m here
to help
um that was my reagan impersonation um
you don’t get to use it often anymore
but uh
in in 1819 they’re like i’m here i’m
here from the government i’m here to
help and the the natives were like no
no we have been here for much longer and
uh we’re going to continue doing things
the way that we do them we’re going to
teach them the way that we want to
um and we’re not going to
go to your government indoctrinated
schools um
and less than
five five years later six years before
he left office so yeah we’ll say five
years later um
they were literally rounding them up and
forcing them into these schools
uh like literally on his way out the
door like hey start doing this by force
now see ya
and what was like so what was the
and the
i feel weird asking you these questions
uh like what was the punishment if you
were like no we’re just gonna
go to the next area where we hunt and
fish and live
like what if you just said no we’re not
gonna do that and just moved on like
what was
were they like throwing people in prison
or were
was it worse
uh yeah they were throwing people in
prison and
mom’s parents were being beaten as
children were forcefully taken from
their families like there’s actually um
old paintings depicting this where you
military force going through these
native villages and literally
taking screaming children from their
and it’s quite brutal actually and uh
later on it uh
people would actually be sent to
alcatraz prison
and so you were either beaten murdered
or sent to jail if you
didn’t comply just comply
follow the science um
so yeah
so when the children were taken they
were they were
forced to go to school sometimes like
hundreds to thousands of miles away like
yes halfway across
well at the time that would have been
all the way across the country
essentially what the us government was
doing was attempting cultural genocide
yes and they were succeeding in doing so
um it’s dark it’s really yeah it is it
is no you’re totally fine um you are
totally fine so
so as
as we know like children were stripped
of their traditional clothes
so they couldn’t wear the traditional
garb regalia yes yeah okay regalia
that’s a better word i think so we’re
gonna go with traditional native regalia
the boys had to cut their hair short
that should just never
be forced on anybody ever um
they couldn’t speak native languages or
perform in their cultural practices
and uh
their whole identity was going to be
stripped from by the government
and uh they were going to be whitewashed
into what the government and the
christian church saw that they should be
acting like
their version of exactly and there’s
even accounts there’s even accounts of
um the teachers going and trying to
bleach their skin whiter
bleach children’s skin
literal whitewash
literal whitewash
jesus christ now
i know uh so a lot of the photos of
these schools where where are they
coming from because i know they’re
coming from somewhere
yeah so there was the carlisle indian
industrial uh school and so that’s where
you’re gonna see a lot of the photos
coming from if you look it up online on
google images of residential schools and
so this was started in 1879 by richard
henry pratt so he had retired from the
military and
pretty much
he started the first native american
boarding school and
what he did pretty much is he rounded up
a whole bunch of native american boys he
put them in militarists clothes and
kind of did before and after photos
showing like hey look i can civilize
these indians as he put it and so
it was
so successful in terms of propaganda
that the government was like yes we need
to fund this program more and so
he was very successful and making sure
that the government had more of a hand
in this because people were seeing this
like oh yeah he’s so successful about
this was the first native american
boarding school and the motto of the
school was kill the indian save the man
i’m not even joking that is the motto of
the school and that was part of the
propaganda is to kill
kill kill the indian save the man and
children were forced from hundreds if
not thousands of miles away
to attend this school
and because of this um over 350 schools
were created after that
and they adopted that military
rigid structure that car you know at the
carlisle school because you know he was
that’s the life he knew um so it’s not
exactly sure how
many children attended this school
but it was a lot
now i know um
so uh
like obvious
because of the time period that it was
in and uh the fact that there wasn’t
electricity or the internet um like the
propaganda is gonna work because you’re
going to have
you’re relying basically on word of
mouth and print media and they’re just
going to say the things that
they’re being told by their bosses
um so the propaganda’s got to work
especially back then
in the end over 350 schools ended up
being created
yeah at least um it’s not exactly sure
how many but an estimated 350 because
not all the time where they registered
fair i know so
i know somewhere here in florida there
uh the
god what’s it called
um the american indian boarding school
or the boys school for american indians
here in florida
and i know that
it was here where they ended up finding
a lot of the bodies and i think it was
one of the things that ended up kicking
off a lot of the investigations
was what was happening here and that led
to a lot of it um
and it’s it
it’s crazy
to think that these people who had been
here for millennia um that had been
living a certain way of life that hadn’t
ever asked for
had never asked for a change in that
we’re now having this forced upon
um but
much like with the school here in
florida that
they were doing this stuff uh i know up
until at least the 60s it was a very
militaristic rigid structure
that they were using and that’s how
all the way up till when they were
finally shut down
they were getting judges to send people
there because they was like no this is
good for them and the judges were just
like okay yeah that sounds good
about do you know how many kids were at
these schools
uh so
looking at some of the estimates um in
the 1900s uh like early 1900s they’re
thinking around
20 000 native children were in the
schools but then by 1925 they had over
60 000 children attending these schools
and again that’s a rough estimate
because not all children were documented
but yeah by 1926 more than 80 percent of
indigenous school-aged children were
attending these boarding schools
you can’t get 80 of people to do
anything and so if you’re forcing 80
percent of the people to do this that
is terrifying that they were even able
to do this
so uh
i i know that this is gonna go kind of
without saying but the living conditions
imagine weren’t good
they were awful yeah just
first off they had recurring outbreaks
of influenza mumps measles chickenpox
and tuberculosis and that was for a
number of factors so there was
they were forcing some children to share
beds so you would have two or three kids
sharing a bed at these residential
schools and they were just packed with
as many kids as you can like i said 80
percent of indigenous school-aged
children were attending these they
didn’t have the provisions for that many
you’re dealing with children and they
had irregular medical care
children need regular checkups and
whatnot but they didn’t have enough
medical staff going out to these schools
to do
their medical care
and then
there was a lack of quarantining sick
children so
you would have children that were sick
and they were still sharing beds with
other children and staying in close
quarters they didn’t quarantine those
children that were actually sick so it
was just rampantly going through
multiple times these children were hit
with a lot of sickness
and knowing what we know about
human history
you know you can you can take a look at
uh the the border issues that we see
where the border patrol or the the
people in charge of
the the what are they called down there
now um the overflow facilities um where
they i can’t keep up with the name yeah
i can’t either um where they have been
sexually assaulting people at the border
um and you hear about it in prison and
you hear about it you heard about it uh
from the
the internment camps and from
uh the holocaust uh like this is not
anything new so i imagine that back then
you had the same sort of issues going on
to these children
yes they experienced many forms of abuse
including mental physical spiritual even
sexual abuse and we’re talking about
here so there was sexual abuse of
and um one of the examples that was like
a form of punishment that would they
would use i was watching this interview
and this individual said his father was
forced to attend residential school in
british columbia and they had this thing
called like the monkey room and it was
this brick room with no windows no
lights or anything and they would throw
you in there if you’d been bad
throughout the night and shut the door
and lock it
and then as a child even as an adult
that’s terrifying that’s terrifying
that’s terrifying
um so
when when kids would try to speak
their native language um whichever one
it was would that like end them up in
the monkey room or would that
be that was one form of um torture that
they would use another torture that was
actually very common they would take
needles and
pierce your tongue
if you were speaking that language
because that is
to them the language of the devil
and so
you should only speak english because
that’s the christian language
sure otherwise they’d be starved
right okay
the language of the devil
uh and english is the christian language
which is like the newest language so
that makes sense um
why not
so they’re they’re dealing with you know
they’re dealing with massive amounts of
abuse they’re dealing with the sexual
abuse and mental abuse um spiritual
abuse um they’re being told that their
ways were just wrong uh
that they need to conform and uh act
more like the white man
and don’t worry we are here to protect
you um
i actually had a shirt though if it was
not orange shirt day i had a shirt i was
going to wear today that had a bunch of
native americans on it and it says turn
over your guns
trust the government and it’s and i was
going to wear that today but because of
orange shirt
um i wanted to wear this um
but they were told that like being just
living the life that they had known for
millennia uh that would send them to
right which that is a good way to scare
children into
um i mean it’s not right
it’s effective it’s effective
it is
very effective
so they ended up so obviously as
children you were going to come out of
that with some self-contempt and you’re
have some hatred towards your family
towards you toward your friends toward
anybody who’s not
kind of going this path that you are now
being forced into
so there’s like
uh quarantining them
away from their families and friends
exactly and
like that self-hatred bred a whole bunch
of issues go figure
where um
these kids didn’t adapt well and they
didn’t go back to their families because
well first off their families they were
taught are
that of the devil they’re gonna go to
hell and
yeah this is what they’re telling
it’s gonna be the worst sentence i’ve
ever said um
can we go a little bit deeper into like
do we know more about the sexual abuse
that was happening um
do we know like
to what extents this was
yes um many
um many kids were sexually abused and in
fact the
they were girls because these are
ended up being pregnant were forced to
have abortions
because we can’t have evidence that
they’re being sexually abused so they
were forced to have abortions and to
hide the evidence
that there was a fetus they would throw
the aborted fetuses into incinerators
and this is a common enough practice
actually watched a couple of interviews
separate people from different
residential schools talked about how
like they would give a kid like a potato
sack or a potato gummy sack and there
would be something inside they’d say
throw that in the incinerator and they
were told not to look inside and there’s
one child he actually looked inside
anyways and it was aborted fetuses that
he was throwing into the incinerator
somebody in the comments said i i read
it when it came up um who was it uh
i think it was jacob labelle um and he
yeah jacob uh and he said and no one
stood up and said that this was wrong
like no nobody
in america at that time was standing up
going this is doing this is wrong this
is not something that we should be doing
this is not until 1928. okay all right
all right so
i’m looking forward to 1928 a little bit
then um
that’s another weird sentence um
but uh
so obviously uh kids are gonna be like a
lot of children are gonna be dying and
uh from the from neglect and starvation
and abuse
and probably many other reasons
was there a time in which like they were
going to be able to like see their
families would they be able to get
together to see parents or grandparents
no so they made sure that there was
complete separation from the parents for
the best effectiveness so children could
not write home not often
the children that were allowed to write
home were forced to write in english and
their families at home were unable to
read the english they didn’t know
english but that’s what they received
parents weren’t even notified if their
child was sick or if their child had
what would happen if like one of the
kids was like if they tried to escape if
they were if they were like no you know
what f this
and whatever that phrase was
back then
f this i’m out i’m not dealing with this
anymore i’m gonna i’m out i’m leaving
and they tried and they tried to leave
the police would try to track them down
they would have flyers out saying that
there’s children um a lot of children
i mean these are children and we’re
talking about they were hundreds if not
thousands of miles away from home a lot
of them went to the woods and tried to
live there um there’s plenty of stories
actually of children like living on the
outskirts living like near farms where
they tried to steal food from the farm
and live in the woods a lot of children
perished trying to get back home
hitchhiking back home a lot of children
were tracked down
it’s very sad but a few children did
make it back home
and that is where we get our knowledge
today that we know today that’s how we
were able to keep some of this knowledge
alive of our ancestors and their
cultural practices is those children
that were successfully able to escape
literally escape this awful prison and
make it back home to their families
i’m not okay so let’s jump at 1928
it sounds like at least something good
is happening in 1928 um
something better
maybe not good better
better better is something better is
happening in 1928.
what was going on then what what
happened in 1920
yeah this is when the living conditions
of these schools started surfacing so
there’s this thing called the merriam
report and it was submitted by secretary
of the interior hubert hubert work gosh
try saying that three times fast um so
he had this merriam report and it was
titled the problem of indian
so it kind of labeled out what was going
on these schools and what we should be
doing differently so first off what we
should be doing differently he said
abolish the uniform courses study that
only taught european american cultural
values and that we should educate
younger children closer to home so
unfortunately it said that like older
children should still attend like
non-reservation schools like further
away but at least have the younger kids
because some of these kids were as young
as three years old
as young as three and they are away from
and so
have um also have indian service which
is now known as the bureau of indian
affairs so have indian service provide
education and skills to adopt both their
own society and u.s society kind of have
like an immersion school if you will
those were the recommendations now
it also listed out some of the
conditions that were going on in the
school and letting people know in
congress what is going on and so
even though i’ve listed off some of the
stuff that has gone on a lot of people
are like well it was back then people
had disease and died and whatnot you
know it was a rough time to live however
it stated in the report that the death
rates of native american students were
six and a half times higher
than for other ethnic groups of that age
so as and a half times
so as people from europe and other areas
started coming to the u.s and they were
like hey there’s this new country let’s
go check this place out they’re you know
accepting everybody um
and they were coming here and
all of those people that were like okay
yeah we are shoot we are choosing to be
there and we want to be there like they
not exactly
falling victim to a lot of the same
things that the natives were when they
were being forced into these situations
and they were being forced to be at
these schools where
horrible horrible [ __ ] was going on um
like a lot of like in a lot of this i am
learning today for the first time and it
like i’ve always known that the history
of the us is not going to be
what we’ve all learned
it is not what we’ve learned uh the
statement history is written by the
winners is true uh and when you start
digging into things and reading opposite
sides you can start to piece together
where it really is
i always knew that whatever happened
to the natives before uh
you know today uh i always knew it was
never as good as what we had been told
but i never
expected it to be to the level that it
that you have been describing
after the after the
and again it’s just it’s
gut-wrenching that there was a time in
history here in this country where this
was going on
so after the merriam report
were schools closing did people
go no we need to end this
some schools but not all of them it
didn’t have this resounding effect that
you would expect it to have like this is
really bad
but the thing is
native americans were demonized and they
were showing that
these people aren’t civilized
why are you clapping
so you can’t you can’t see it you can’t
see it but in the background somebody
walked by and was looking in the so i
wasn’t laughing at what you were saying
i was laughing at somebody walking by
and looking into the like dead on into
the camera at me
so i i apologize for that but it was
it was
and i was like oh god i hope nobody else
can see that and then i looked i was
like nobody can see that and then that
made me smile more at a very
inappropriate time and i apologize
um sorry exactly yeah i apologize for
that um
but um
so again i i yeah i’m very sorry for
sorry where were we i i am so sorry that
really took me out of it
that’s okay so some of the schools did
start to shut down but not all of them
um not enough for sure it wasn’t until
like the 1960s during um the civil
rights movement
did indigenous activism actually start
gaining traction okay
so with the civil rights act that was
when people started kind of waking up a
little bit more and trying to find
equality for all people um
once the civil rights movement sort of
moved on
was that when more like more schools
were being shut down then
so like late 60s or 70s kind of
exactly a lot more started uh shutting
down and not only that
uh so there were a few uh
pieces of legislation that actually were
passed that were supposed to help the
situation for example um the indian
self-determination and education
assistance act of 1975 the remaining
schools were given to tribes in
partnership with the bureau of indian
affairs or the bia
and then there’s also
the indian child welfare act
this is the act that finally gave
parents the legal right to refuse their
child’s placement in these schools
19 okay so that was in 1975. uh when
these schools first were introduced
and then they were it was 1825 when it
became by force
so that’s
150 150 years
before the united states said you know
what uh
parents should be able to say
these the parents of these children
should be able to say no you aren’t
taking my child to this school that’s
you know hundreds of miles away or
thousands of miles away or uh not the
schools that i want them to go to uh it
took 150
for that to happen
for this benevolent provision
to finally be
optional okay
all right um
and so the remaining uh so the remaining
schools were given to tribes in the
partnership with the bia
yes and um a lot of those schools ended
up shutting down anyways in the 80s and
90s there’s actually not too many
residential schools that are here today
i know that uh back in the 50s
50s 60s um there
there was a adoption
movement for natives
what what what what was the deal with
that like why why was um
the government pushing this
so this is when they noticed that the
boarding schools well that
art if you will was dying off and it was
being called out so they needed a new
way to
oh what’s the term i’m looking for
oh just cultural genocide i’ll just
stick with that
so it was the indian adoption project
which started in 1958
and so
a quote from the project is is to
stimulate the adoption
of american indian children on a
nationwide basis
and another quote these children will be
placed primarily with non-indian
families but the indian child has
remained the forgotten child
left unloved and uncared for on the
that is what the program is about so
it’s pretty much taking native american
children and selling them to non-natives
they were able to sell this because this
is a cheaper solution anyways for a
simulation than running boarding schools
adoption is a lot cheaper
than running boarding schools
um in the comments joshua mccoos who i
think is oh
i would say near you he’s our i.t guy
okay um i was like
near you but that could be still like 3
000 miles apart um
but he says adoption equals cheap labor
labor for farms
yeah it’s
if you look at um some of the old
documents and stuff there were actually
children that were sold off and
advertised as being like hard worker
great for farms
you know it wasn’t like outright said
but it it was outright said pretty much
yeah we’re
we aren’t selling you workers
we aren’t letting you just buy these
people to be workers at your house but
just so you know
last all day in the sun
strong workers strong backs
knows how to till a field
you’ll be adopting these people uh and
they will not be for work at your
at your residence or at your farm but
instead they’re gonna
you will be raising them but they’re not
for work but these are the benefits
yeah that was part of it too um another
sort of way that they were going about
it too is they were selling it to
suburban families and so they were
featuring these children like all
smiling and they’re the forgotten child
and everything it would be in magazines
like good housekeeping and these
children were unwanted and needed new
life and um
there were orphans that nobody wanted
and they’re tugging at the heartstrings
of these you know white women who are
reading these magazines in suburban
america and it was very successful
because hundreds of families were asking
for native children to adopt
government advertisements
and so this was all being done as a as
so the government could try to
assimilate these children into what they
believed was the right mindset
yeah that i mean that’s where all the
evidence points towards because the main
goal of this program as written by them
is they’re going to take native american
children and put them with non-native
american well they said indian they
didn’t say native american
but with non-indian families
that is the goal of the program so one
would believe
it was for assimilation
so and
so were these kids like forcibly being
taken like just ripped yeah
yeah because there weren’t this
abundance of orphans that the government
was talking about so these
children were being taken from their
homes and how they were able to go about
doing that
they had these social workers going to
reservations and the criteria for taking
children from families was made so vague
that you could take any children
for example if you have too many family
members in the same household that was
one of the criteria but the thing is
native americans and a lot of other
cultures it’s not just a nuclear family
in a home a lot of times you’ll have
grandma and grandpa um your aunts and
uncles your cousins and so it’s kind of
like this extended family under one roof
and that’s very common with a lot of
a lot of groups including native
but if it wasn’t a nuclear
family they were able to come in and
take the children another one is uh if
you don’t have indoor plumbing which
during that time a lot of rural houses
have like cisterns and whatnot and
so the village where most of my family
comes from they didn’t get indoor
plumbing until a couple years ago
and so that’s actually something that i
learned when i was up in alaska um that
a lot of alaska
didn’t get indoor plumbing until
literally this well this century um
and they were like no they just
continued doing it the old way they
didn’t really need to worry about it um
if that was the way that you were living
and every and you were happy with it
why would that have been a criteria for
not that anything that you’ve said is a
criteria but
exactly including including that like
why would that be a criteria if
if everybody is happy in the living
kids are happy parents are happy you
know whoever else is living in the house
is happy and
this is the way that they have lived
this is the culture of which they’ve
why does why
why would this matter and why would you
be taking people away from their
families for these reasons
um just because it didn’t fit into your
bubble of what you believed a family
should be or how a family should live
tell me about um terry yellow hammer
yeah so i specifically mentioned about
terry yellow hammer of the standing rock
sioux tribe because he was talking about
in an interview that
while working with uh or while she was
working with folks impacted by these
incidents she talks about how social
workers when they would
come to these reservations to these
mothers and family members were
literally hiding their children wherever
they could so that the social workers
wouldn’t come in and take their children
away and there’s people alive today that
remember this social worker would come
to town and their mother is hiding them
under the floorboards or up in the attic
telling them to be quiet so that the
social worker doesn’t hear them
like that’s
you you moved past like not you not you
uh the government the the federal
government moved past the uh mental
abuse and the spiritual abuse and
physical abuse of the schools of the
residential schools
and then
they gave them the mental abuse and the
trauma that’s going to come from them
having to hide
in the floorboards
and be you have to stay quiet or else
you may not live here anymore if you say
the government may take you and rip you
from this household and we will never
see you again you will go live somewhere
else so you have to see
that has to be
traumatizing to both parent and child
and child
it being done just in the name of
assimilation is
one of the most important things
yeah it was really hard doing this
uh research because i’m a mom
and like putting in perspective of a mom
i mean
i’m trying hard not to cry right now
like i would
i was messed up for a while after
spurts of research and even after like
my big presentation of this it
honestly like
i know we still have somewhere to go and
i i want to get to all of this but i
want to say uh
unequivocally uh that i am happy that
you have put together this
amount of information on this subject uh
because it’s important for everybody to
know this this is
this is these are the stories that
people need to hear they need to
understand that this is
a lot of history has been like
we can cover it up and we can say no
that’s not what happened because the
whatever government says whatever
but government lies
government lies always has lied
no matter what
they are going to try to take
from you
it might be
something as small as a portion of your
income uh it might be a piece of your
land uh it might be your house it might
be your child like at what point do you
have to stand up and say something
and that’s
partly why i’m an anarchist where i
don’t want anybody to be able to say i’m
taking that from
i’m not gonna nobody should be able to
take any of that from you
the fact that
we have gone now
150 years
uh 150 years
we are still dealing with the issues
that were put into place
by people that
backwards thinking
didn’t really understand that you know
all people are people um and you know it
was written i think in the document
behind me
all men are created equal men being the
all-encompassing four people all men are
created equal
even though a lot of them
even though a lot of them might not have
believed that though that was the
wording that they used uh and they did
that because they wanted to make sure
everybody had equal rights again they
may not have believed that all men were
created equal but because of that they
ended up giving that to people
um and
the fact that it took this long
this long and i know stuff is still
coming um
that it took this long to get to this
point to even see these people as
close to equal they still aren’t in
1975 four or five um they still aren’t
seeing them as equal
this is where the travesty is and you
have the government using their powers
to say
no we don’t care
uh what you say we don’t even care what
that document says that all men are
created equal uh because you don’t
qualify and that is the real
travesty because all men
people are created equal across the
board and
this should never have been a thing
that’s happened like this show should
never be a show that was done
because we shouldn’t have to talk about
these issues but because government
sucks because people in power suck
we have to sit here and talk about
sorry uh
no you’re right yeah yeah
i mean yeah
that’s why we’re here that’s why we’re
here that is why we’re here that is why
we are wearing orange shirts today
because we want people to know about
this issue
one in four native children were living
apart from their families in the 60s
nelson fox
i don’t know that next word
wikwemikong thank you um
i was like oh man uh
he did an interview in 2019.
uh what what was he talking about
nelson fox he was given the christian
name of daniel by his adopted family
he came across some documents of his
biological father who was victor fox
his father was trying to get of hold of
him and his brother his sons you know
and the hennepin county which is where
they lived wrote back to the father
saying that the children were adapting
very well in their new family so
these children were taken away from
their father and the father was not able
to contact his sons
and literally
hennepin county was like nope they’re
adapting well to their new family you
don’t need to be in their lives
but the thing is that wasn’t actually
the truth no one actually checked in on
nelson fox or daniel is the name that
his adopted family
gave him he was actually being horribly
abused in his new household and he was
resorting to self-harm and suicidal
attempts it was so bad
so hennepin counties were minneapolis
hennepin county is where minneapolis is
and so if daniel
or nelson fox uh if nelson fox was
giving this interview in 2019 one can
reasonably surmise that
this was happening
in minneapolis
i don’t know how old he is but i’m just
going to say in the 1970s
1970s 1980s
um yeah which over the course of human
history that was like yesterday
i know that we have people
somebody in the comments says lives in
hennepin county right now so
over the course of his lifetime
over the course of his lifetime this was
in the county
in which he lived
this isn’t like
some travesty from
hundreds of years ago this was within
the lifetime of many of the people
watching this show
in an area where some of the people are
and because of the abuse like you said
he was
he was trying to like he tried to take
his life
because of this
multiple times
as a child
i would imagine that
that that is not a standalone story that
can’t be like there’s no way that’s a
standalone story
and it just kept getting backed up like
it just kept getting supported
yeah the people who set this in motion
they actually gave a report
like an update of their indian adoption
program and a quote from them said
generally speaking we believe the indian
people have accepted the adoption of
their children by caucasian families and
have been pleased to learn the
protections afforded the children
through good agency adoptions
that’s the report they gave
because government would never lie
government would never lie when it came
to the safety of
19th so 1974
um there were some hearings in new york
uh yeah so there were a lot of hearings
that were be taking place in congress
talking about
native american children and the
conditions that were happening and um
this was also spurred by the civil
rights movement so testimonies from
children affected by the indian adoption
program and the residential schools
these testimonies they were going to
detail about the abuse and mistreatment
um a lot of these videos can actually be
seen on youtube and they’re in color and
like just watching it seeing it in color
it just really hits you how
1974 wasn’t that long ago and
many of you know our followers my
followers they were alive during that
yeah and so these hearings lasted for
four years and that’s what eventually
passed um the indian child welfare act
or iqa is what you will hear in the news
okay equal
um and they were designed to prevent
breakup of the indian family
yep and so
it made it so that if removal was deemed
necessary by the government they didn’t
remove that part but if it was deemed
necessary the child had to be placed in
order of um preference
a member of the child’s extended family
members of the child’s tribe
or other native american families
so those three had to happen first and
if there wasn’t an option for any of
those three then it can go to
people who are a different race than the
i guess is
a little bit of a
i don’t know it’s a
it’s a it’s something but it’s not their
answer right
it’s it’s a shuffle in the right
direction like it’s not it’s not a step
it’s not a full step it’s just like a
okay but
but children are still being taken
yeah native children are actually four
times more likely than white children to
be placed in foster care
times more likely
this isn’t
okay so
are there still the
the the
that were in place from before with the
nuclear family laws is what i’m going to
call those
from what i understand it hasn’t
necessarily been
removed just not practiced as often
if that makes sense but
there’s definitely um
it sounds like they’re more willing to
use those criteria than other races and
they’re hitting native families harder
than white families you know there’s
definitely that discrimination factor
there okay
so even even today 29 20 21
19. i did yeah i don’t know why
um 2021
you still have an issue where government
is going into going into these families
uh and saying hey
you know
it’s not us it’s it’s the rules we just
have to follow the rules so we have to
take your children and we are going to
forcibly take them from you and put them
into a family
doesn’t have the same belief system
possibly doesn’t even speak the same
language as them um that
practice the same cultural uh
history as them
wouldn’t know how to
do many of the things that you have
taught this child to do
um over the course of its lifetime uh
but you know it’s not us it’s the rules
the fact that this is still happening
today in america
is exceptionally important uh i’ve
talked a lot about cps and how terrible
cps is uh because yes for every
for every you know
one or two cases that you hear where you
go this one makes sense you hear about
the others
i would imagine
i would imagine that the rate is much
lower where you’re like this one makes
when it comes to this one when it comes
to this story when it comes when it
comes to the natives
i did
you you didn’t put it you didn’t put
that in like you did not put any any
stat like that in there uh but i am
that instead of like
that’s just a rough estimate on cps on
my part
i’m guessing it’s much much lower than
10 20 percent
i would have to guess too i mean
yeah and i’m not trying to put you on
the spot here like i’m just i’m just
making a statement yeah um
i’m just making a statement that that is
just based on what we’ve been told today
and what you know
the fact that stuff like this is still
happening you can only surmise that
it is happening at a worse rate than it
is happening
so like since it like this is because
this is still happening uh still
happening today and because um
so many people uh
like have lived through these issues
i imagine like that’s got to be
difficult like that’s gotta be difficult
for them that’s gonna be difficult for
their families uh
to try to deal with the
emotional baggage and the burden that
has been brought on them because of this
has there been negative
obviously yes but like what sort of
repercussions have come coping skills
yeah coping skills
yeah so many have struggled to cope with
this trauma go figure
many have resorted to drugs alcohol i’ve
already mentioned self-harm even suicide
after seeing all this trauma
experiencing this trauma
and for some it’s actually manifested
into mental disorders so children that
haven’t been able to grow up with their
who have been abused talked about how
they aren’t human they’re sub human they
you know so it’s manifested into mental
disorders and
this gaslighting was so affected that
children blamed
themselves and thought something was
wrong with themselves
and the thing is it’s not helped by the
victim blaming in today’s society i see
it all the time where people are talking
about drunk native jokes or
you know there’s prejudice and
mainstream media that i have like
actively seen
you know against natives it’s even been
against my own family members
and i have stories of that and so
very deeply culturally rooted
even today
right and it is uh you you definitely
like you said in there you can uh can be
seen in jokes about drunk natives and
as i remember as a child seeing
a cartoons where you know the the native
was always the native american was
always just you know he had the bottle
with the x’s on it and he was always
drinking um
so and
even while we’ve had like this woke push
for equality everywhere you still will
see these stereotypes
everywhere like in in media um
i’m not sure which way i’m hoping for
this uh but was this like something that
strictly to america like
or was this
so a lot of people know about like the
canadian schools as well um in fact
orange shirt day originated from canada
but it wasn’t just canada and the us it
also included australia and new zealand
that you would see
at least parallel atrocities on the same
level with the same reasoning
and to the same scale
so i i know that this
i remember right when you uh started
cajun eskimo from bayou’s day it was
friday nights 9 30 eastern um
that was roughly about the time that uh
there had been a bunch of schools in
canada that had
been searched right
that was right about the time you guys
i think so yeah it’s we’re about to have
our 14th show
okay if that means anything
yeah so um when i originally got all
these notes together um
i had said as of july 2nd they had
searched seven schools in canada
and more than 1500 child grave sites had
been found we are now above
5 000.
and it’s not it’s kind of hard to
have an exact number because it’s not
necessarily reported about it’s not the
hot trending topic right now but over
five thousand child grave sites at these
some of these are mass
unmarked graves there is children as
young as three years old and these
graves are shallow they’re about three
feet deep
and there’s still hundreds more school
sites to be searched
thousands of children
and like i said earlier when a child
passed away their parent wasn’t notified
i knew so
i remember when this story broke in july
and uh i was watching uh cajun eskimo
from bios da blues and you you kind of
you went into it and
i remember i was sitting there with uh
superfan sarah anderegg
you could have heard
a pen drop and for lack of a better
metaphor you could have heard a pen drop
uh in that house because
it was
heart-wrenching uh to hear what
what had been going on
and it it
it raised it opened my eyes to an issue
that i did not know existed
that i did not know existed that i was
unaware of uh and i didn’t know how
close to home it hit with uh the school
that was here in florida
and how
all across america and all across canada
uh they’re
because of these government schools and
church schools um
people were being abused people were
being murdered i had no idea about like
forced abortions that they were throwing
into the
gummy bags and you know incinerating so
that way there would be no evidence
um there would be no evidence and
if ever
anybody had to question whether or not
government’s evil like this
this is
this is
this is the evidence that somebody
should need that it’s just like no this
is this is too much like anybody that
any power
that can do something like this uh and
not even bat an eye
has way too much power
and they should not have any
can you
before i go into that part
i would like to say something that has
made it very easy for folks because a
lot of people are like how could this
happen right
there’s a lot of government propaganda
that demonized a group of people
and once that group of people is
demonized it is easy
to suppress them and so that’s something
i like to advocate about is like be
careful who is being demonized we are
all people
like we the people
right are created equal
um yep all men are created equal and
but yeah no that’s great that is a
fantastic point because when you see the
government demonizing something
um we we say it on muddy waters of
freedom all the time uh when you have a
story that’s going on and it’s like why
is this such a big story it means
something else has happened
if the government is demonizing a
specific set of people that means that
they are probably doing something
terrible to that specific set of people
um john john morrissey uh from defy the
power and stitches and glitches uh says
unaccountable government like uh
demonizing countries as all terrorists
when you are demonizing an entire
and i’m not
i’m not uh afraid to say that they got
me for a while when i was younger and i
fell for the propaganda yeah no we
i know that i’ve said this sentence in
my lifetime i’m not proud of it but i
know i’ve said the sentence in my
lifetime we should just turn it all into
a glass parking lot
i know i’ve said it
i don’t feel good about having said it
but i fell for the propaganda
it wasn’t until later where
you start learning more and you start
seeing things and like you said if they
are demonizing somebody
there’s probably something else going on
especially when it’s accompanied by a
benevolent provision
yes which usually if they’re d
i almost said demonetizing uh demon
it’s a sentence that’s a word i say a
lot um
but uh you usually you’re right if
they’re demon
demonizing somebody or a group of people
or a country
they are demonizing them under the guise
of a benevolent um decision or a
benevolent reason because they
they want you to believe for your safety
that these people are out to hurt you in
one way or another um
pull an example from this week
ish you know it’s a it’s a
pandemic of the unvaccinated
it’s not but
they’re demonizing these people under
the guise of safety
i’m not comparing the plight of the
unvaccinated to the plate of the native
americans i’m just trying to
tie it together to today um
can you tell me about the national
native american boarding school healing
yeah so i actually while i was doing
this research i stumbled upon this um
the national native american boarding
school healing coalition
and it’s a group of individuals that are
working on educating folks about
what we just talked about
as well as they have more resources on
there and those that have been affected
by this
they have been working on getting people
and so uh
on there there’s a list of schools
that they uh they have a whole
list of schools in terms of like in the
us and canada of where these residential
schools were and they also have a way
that you can implement or like uh submit
another school like oh like my grandma
went to this school and so they’re
trying to compile a list of all the
schools because they’re like i said we
don’t know exactly how many there’s an
estimated 350
different schools that were doing this
and we know that there was something
along the lines of 150 000 children that
were affected somewhere upwards to even
200 000 children affected we don’t
actually officially know these are low
estimates so they are working on
educating collecting information and
helping those that have been affected
get help
and uh for anybody that’s interested in
looking into the more their website is and i’m just
going to put that into the comments
right now uh so that way if you are
watching us live it will be there i will
also add it to the show afterwards um
so i know you you you touched on
you touched on why we wear orange uh a
little bit earlier but
why why are we
what can you tell the people why we are
wearing orange today
yeah so back in 2013 there’s a woman by
the name of of
phyllis webstad and she was telling her
story and her experience about going
you know attending a residential school
and so she was attending st joseph’s
mission school which is in williams lake
british columbia in the 70s
when she was there first day her new
orange shirt that she just got from her
grandma was actually stripped away from
her she never saw that orange shirt
and they gave her school uniforms
and every time she sees the color orange
it reminds her of that day because they
literally stripped her of her identity
taking like this beautiful orange shirt
from her grandma which seems like a
simple thing maybe but she literally was
stripped away of her identity as a
native american
and forced into
you know the white christian sort of
lifestyle and
again like i said with the demonizing of
her own language and cultural practices
and so
after that story it really resonated
through folks like showing this like
being stripped away of your identity of
her orange shirt and so orange became
the color to represent
residential schools and so now we have
orange shirt day which um
normally occurs like in early fall when
children would be going back to school
so this year it’s september 30th and i
don’t know if it’s going to be september
30th every year but it’s symbolizing
like this is like school time is
and so you wear orange shirt
it’s it’s been observed since 2013.
okay and primary it was primarily
observed in canada
yes so now it’s like making its way more
into the us and so that’s why i’m like
putting posts about it people like i’ve
never heard about it i’m like well we’re
making a trend right and that’s you know
that’s how i was a tuesday i had never
heard about it and uh
i am
truly honored that you could be on the
show today to talk about it with us um
and so for
for uh phyllis webster
i like i understand
i understand that like
the color orange reminds her of her
grandmother because of the shirt and
because she was being ripped away
because her identity was being ripped
away from her
uh how the color orange always brought
her back
that clicks with me i i understand that
as tragic of a story as that is it makes
the wearing of the orange one of the
most poignant and poetic things
since uh we don’t know if september 30th
will be orange shirt day uh every year
uh i know that next year
yes uh 2022
i don’t know what year it is
we will
we here at muddy waters will definitely
celebrate orange shirt day and we will
all that we can here
and that that’s a promise i can make to
you to everybody in the audience
i i
hands down we will push it and uh if any
of us have shows on whatever day orange
shirt day is we will wear orange that
this is
it’s heavy it’s heavy
it is incredibly heavy and it’s
heartbreaking um
to know that in
our lifetimes that people have been
treated this way and that they’ve been
abused uh at the hands of the government
uh for reasons that don’t make any that
never made any sense but especially
don’t make sense now
yeah uh it
this is one of those things that not a
lot of people knew about and then those
that did kind of know about it they
didn’t know it was this bad until like i
started telling them about it and
they’re like oh it was that bad it was
i don’t use the term lightly but it was
our own version of a holocaust
yeah and i would not i would not hit you
on that i wouldn’t say well no that’s
nothing like because yes that’s
that’s what this was it was a it was
your version of a of the holocaust it
was cultural genocide being perpetrated
by a government against its people
and this is
this is a hard like it’s a heartbreaking
story and uh
again like i know i’ve said it before
but like i’m honored that you came on
here today to talk about it with me like
honestly i think
i uh
is i don’t even know how where where to
go after hearing all of this um
if people yeah i know
i was gonna say i know cajun and spike
had their own show and we’re like well
we’re gonna have our own show i didn’t
mean for it to be this dark right no and
you know i um
in all honesty this is the show i would
have wanted to do
this is the show i would have wanted to
do because this is
i know people aren’t going to believe
this but i actually like touching on the
important stuff
and this definitely
more than qualifies as the important
uh so
is there any
are there anything that you want to
leave the people with here that we
that you haven’t
touched on at this point
or the biggest thing when i talk about
this story is i want people to be able
to draw the parallels whenever tyranny
happens it’s not going to be the exact
same way but it follows the same
structure and so watching when
there’s propaganda demonizing a group of
individuals and are willing to oppress
those and the government saying i have
the solution to the people i am saying
are the demons
it’s happened so often and so many
different times this one really
resonates me because
you know i have that personal connection
that like my grandma went to one of
these residential schools and almost my
but being able to draw the parallels
and we touched on many of them
to what is going on in america today um
well you can do this throughout all of
history where you can see the same
playbook being used uh and you can see
in america specifically you know
japanese internment games if you go over
to europe you’ve got uh the holocaust uh
if you go to you know russia you’ve got
the gulags you’ve got so many different
places where this playbook has just been
used over and over and over and over
again and the government using
propaganda in order to sell
these kind of atrocities
uh to the rest of the unwitting public
and it’s not until you get people coming
out and talking about the issues that
you know this is what’s actually
and people being able to open up their
that’s why
more than anything
it is massively important to be able to
about these things openly and freely
fear of government repercussion um
which even with you know the
first amendment as it is today uh like
you don’t even have that anymore
i yeah i honestly this this is this is
the first time that i don’t know how to
like go to the end of a show ever like
normally i’m just like okay well that’s
it but uh
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so you have a show tomorrow
yeah do you have anything you’d like to
close with before we get
i have them show tomorrow
and i need to do notes
and now you know what i mean when i say
i need to do notes yeah no i don’t do it
this extensively but yes no i get that
well everybody uh tomorrow it’s uh 9 30
eastern correct
yes i had to do the math it’s 5 30 for
me okay so again 9 30 here um
9 30 eastern uh 8 30 central 7 30
mountain mountain thank you
6 30 6 30
pacific 330 hawaiian
330 hawaiian um
tune in tomorrow um tune in tomorrow
night because uh cajun eskimo from
bayou’s dig who’s gonna be happening
it’s gonna be a fantastic show uh it
always is i usually get a chance to
listen to it monday morning on my way
into work um but every time it’s great
stuff uh even if it is
even if it is never uh monetized um
it’s not my fault it’s not my fault it
is not her fault it is 100 cajun’s full
every time
this weekend i know that spike is in
minneapolis so if you are in hennepin
county um you can head on out to see
spike and talk to him about what you
just learned today um
i’m certain he’s going to enjoy that and
on monday
which is the 4th
right yes monday the 4th we have a brand
new episode of liberty round table
which brings together lots of people
from different um
lots of people from different uh
mindsets different political backgrounds
this is such this is the most awkward
closing i’ve ever done um different
political backgrounds uh who are going
to be debating one particular subject uh
so that is at 6 30 eastern next tuesday
you can see me and spike cohen right
on muddy waters of freedom where spike
and i will parse through the week’s news
like the sweet
cherubs that we are
uh and then next wednesday you have
spike cohen coming back on
uh for my fellow americans with you’re
not gonna believe who he has on
you are not gonna believe it it’s going
to be a shock to you
uh and then next thursday right here on
the writer’s block uh i have bill
redpath who is going to be my
guest next week so be sure to tune in
for that
i can honestly say that
outside of the show that super fan serie
ander egg was on which i am
contractually obligated to say is my
favorite show i’ve ever done
that’s a good show
this is uh
this is um
my favorite episode that i’ve ever done
outside of the one with superfan sarah
anderang who i love dearly and uh means
the world
but yeah this has been my favorite show
and thank you for having the show
uh well thank you for uh having me on
here yeah no i could help out
yeah no i
i can honestly say that in the five
years i have been doing muddied waters
might have freedom in the writer’s block
i have choked up twice at a show
and this was the second one uh the first
one was only a couple of weeks ago but
this was one of the heart like this was
a very difficult episode to do for me so
i can’t even imagine the strength that
it took for you
and i know that you are able to just
like go into a pond and wrestle with
salmon and like
grab it right from the water
but the strength that you possess just
as a human being in general is inspiring
and thank you so much for being part of
muddy waters
thank you i really appreciate
it um to everybody else have yourselves
a great weekend tune in tomorrow night
for cajun eskimo from bayou stiglues um
and uh we will see you
next week uh i’m not gonna do the fun
fact of the week this week because it
doesn’t feel right um so
have a great weekend and uh i will see
you all tomorrow
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