(((My Fellow Americans))) #95: James M. Ray

(((My Fellow Americans)))


About This Episode

There’s an unused nuclear energy technology that is even safer, cleaner and cheaper than the ones that are currently used, and its radioactive half-life is a small fraction of the others.

What is it?
Why isn’t it being used?
How can we start using it?

Thorium energy expert James M. Ray will talk with Spike about this tonight!

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Libertarian Party Waffle House Caucus

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Intro & Outro Music by JoDavi.


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energy
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came as a result of some gentle cajoling
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mr james m ray james so much thank you
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so much for coming on
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oh gosh spike thank you so much for
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having me
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thank you for your kindness to me ever
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since i met you actually um
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one of the things that i like to focus
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on or try to focus on
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is some of the kindnesses of
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libertarians that
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i’ve i’ve experienced over the years and
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let me talk about a few of them really
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briefly before we get to thorium because
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this is important
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sure david nolan was one of the founders
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of our party
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and he was so nice to me and he didn’t
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have to be
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i mean he was just so nice to me on
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facebook and there was another guy
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in florida named harry reid and you
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think harry reid you think this [ __ ]
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corrupt
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nevada senator right that’s what i was
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thinking florida
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a florida libertarian and an anarchist
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and a real one and he harry would have
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a party for everyone potluck on the 8th
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18th and 28th of every month at 8pm
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at his house you didn’t have to call you
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just came
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if you didn’t have anything that’s fine
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but generally you you should bring
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food or a drink um he would also have
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the world’s best christmas parties
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the world’s best mayday parties he would
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celebrate
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the demise of socialism before the
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berlin wall
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fell he was so positive about you know
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the victory of free markets
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he would have the best july 4th parties
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ever and when he died of cancer
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he he donated his body to science you
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know and this was totally a hairy thing
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so he was just totally kind um let me
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mention a few other people
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um allison foxhall now fulton
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and sammy brooks and maybe a few others
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and i’m forgetting them and if so i
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apologize
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were kind enough to run for office after
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i pestered them
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allison i’ve i’ve really cajoled her for
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a rather long time but she was a great
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candidate
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and even though we didn’t get a very
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many votes
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we made the bad guys spend two
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two lamborghinis not just one two
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lamborghinis and all we spent was a
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new honda civic basically um i want to
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say one
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one other nice thing before we before we
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get started on um
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thorium you know well matt wright your
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co-host
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yes these hilarious intros and they make
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me laugh every week
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you know especially with the crazy
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preacher and these biden ones and
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they’re just awesome
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but um you know i i could yammer about
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polyface farm
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social security being structural racism
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i’ve got all kinds of ramps that’ll
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drive you nuts
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let’s talk about thorium the reason that
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we
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want thorium for the lp is that it’s
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such a good idea
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that our enemies are going to steal it
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from us and it’s just like cannabis
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we’ve got to let them steal it and then
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let them take credit for it because
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that’s what they did with cannabis
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but as long as we get our way and get
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something like this
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and get the prosperity into the hands of
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people not just
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us because it’s easy to imagine what you
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can do
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if your electric bill is suddenly 20 of
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what it was
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what’s difficult to imagine is what’s
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going to happen
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if we suddenly give the world the free
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pony
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of that much cheaper electricity
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worldwide you know
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there are edisons and teslas and
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einsteins in you know
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africa or asia or god knows where right
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now they can’t even afford to
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you know live practically and if we make
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living a lot more prosperous and a lot
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cheaper for them
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suddenly you know it’s going to be good
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for us their prosperity will benefit
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us in ways that we cannot imagine
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you know because i i’ve lived long
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enough to live
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from when bandwidth was scarce to when
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now i i’m famous for falling asleep on
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wednesday nights actually
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on zoom calls you know and this is what
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i do
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and you know when i was a child we
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vied for long distance minutes with my
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grandmother which who we really loved
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but um energy from thorium is the
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closest thing that we can promise
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to uh our good friend vermin supreme’s
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free pony you said
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tonight right before the show that it’s
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also close to
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zombie power it’s it’s very it is
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very very similar to zombie power before
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we get started on thorium folks
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be sure to comment with your thoughts
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and your questions and james and i will
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tell you
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if you are in fact right or wrong i
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don’t know why that’s showing right
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there but we can fix that
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uh so james before we get started on
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that i just want to ask you what is it
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that
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brought you to libertarianism in the
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libertarian party i mean
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everyone has their either aha moment or
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gradual evolution over time
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everyone’s got their genesis story tell
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us the james m ray genesis story
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i knew in
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elementary school before i was even in
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high school that i didn’t really belong
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you know with other people opinion-wise
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and i tried to get along with them and i
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liked them and all that but i was just
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i knew i was different even even then i
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did i knew i didn’t belong
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you know and so it was it was
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uncomfortable because the lp didn’t even
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exist and when the lp existed i didn’t
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learn about it for
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quite a while you know but i found i
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voted for bergland in 1984
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and dr ron paul with my dad uh in 1988.
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by the way mom and dad both worked for
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nasa so i’m super into space
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and one of the things about thorium
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there’s many benefits to thorium but one
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of the things about thorium is
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plutonium-238
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can be produced easily or more easily
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with um
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liquid fluoride thorium reactors and
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that’s the thing that
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allows us to power the perseverance
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rover and
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the both of the voyagers are are powered
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by
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this stuff it has a like a 98-year
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half-life
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has it has a long 80-something year
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half-life it has a it has a long
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half-life
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and so that’s the the time that it sits
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there being very very hot
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uh temperature wise so nasa can use it
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for these batteries with no moving parts
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and moving parts are a
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big problem in space right of course
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of course so you got into libertarianism
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uh
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very well you knew you always knew there
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was something uh there was something
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different but then you know you found
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the libertarian party later
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we’re glad to have you here now i
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what got you tell us how you first
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found out about thorium and let’s
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actually you know what i think that will
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probably be told
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in explaining what it is in the most
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simple terms pretend that you’re talking
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to a middle-aged jew
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in his guest room who is
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not 100 sure of the science behind this
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break down what energy from thorium is
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and how it differs from the nuclear
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energy that we’re most commonly using
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now
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and then from there we can get into the
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benefits what how what is it and how is
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it different
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okay let me you you were right to ask
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about how i first heard of it because
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that’s kind of
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part of the important part okay
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i was looking through encyclopedias we
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didn’t have the internet back then and
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and so and i was
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you know i i read constantly you know
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and and girls were of course disgusted
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and repulsed by me so i’ve
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pretty much had nothing else to do with
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reid and so i’m reading through this
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encyclopedia
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and there’s this thing about a
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nuclear-powered airplane idea the idea
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for a nuclear-powered airplane
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and the gist of the encyclopedia entry
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and it was about a page and a half or
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something
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said gee this was a [ __ ] crazy idea
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look at these people the
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cold war was really crazy we wanted to
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fly nuclear airplanes around
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with molten nuclear material inside them
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you know
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and airplanes are destined to crash and
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so this is a crazy idea blah blah
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and it didn’t really mention or talk
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about or emphasize
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the new type of reactor and so you know
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we
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we went along but the kind of reactor
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that is used and it’s used because of
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first mover advantage which is
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as a bitcoin user you know is a very
18:55
powerful thing it’s very very powerful
18:59
my eagle days first mover advantage is a
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huge power
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but anyways um when when the
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light water reactor was invented it was
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invented for a very specific
19:10
thing the nuclear navy and they
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use zircon and encapsulated
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material it’s a it’s a uranium oxide
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it’s a ceramic material
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and they don’t really burn up very much
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of the uranium
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but it’s in these in these tubes and it
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gets hot and you have this pressurized
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water
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and then you have this other water that
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you heat and you use that to make steam
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and you have to put it under enormous
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pressure or
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this whole thing doesn’t work well the
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idea with
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nuclear reactors from with thorium that
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okay and the guy who invented it is
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named alvin weinberg
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and he was an absolute genius a huge
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under underreported understated genius
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then he was kind of disenchanted with
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his own
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invention his own idea and he went off
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to oak ridge
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and back then we didn’t really have that
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much communication among our different
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you know facilities and labs there
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wasn’t really that much of an internet
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back then you know the
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email was barely being invented at all
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and stuff like that
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and so different facilities had
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different research focuses
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and oak ridge was focused on molten salt
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but the more politically connected
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place was um fermi lab in in i think
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chicago
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and it was focused on um
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different kinds of reactors some of
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which to me sound very dangerous
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there there are arguments that smarter
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people can
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than me can make for using molten sodium
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but sodium even even in its non-molten
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form if you take a hunk of sodium and
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throw it in a pond
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it explodes you don’t have to light it
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on fire or anything it just blows up and
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um
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those are those are cool youtube videos
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by the way if you if you have kids
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um search for alkali metals there’s
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nothing like them you know
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these are very entertaining chemistry
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experiments but
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you don’t want to do a nuclear reactor
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with them like you don’t want to make a
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reactor out of something that explodes
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easily
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right yeah you want this kind of reactor
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okay
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if it is punctured it’s not under
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pressure
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if it is punctured the salt which is
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gross and
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hot and all that is going to weep out of
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it but it’s going to you know
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go pour out into a drain pan it’s not
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going to really
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you know burn off in a meltdown type of
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scenario there’s nothing really
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flammable about it you know so
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some of the earliest reactors used um
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graphite which has many properties that
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are
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good for reactors but also graphite
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burns and you know chernobyl i mean it’s
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a bad idea but our
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first reactor you know at um
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and the one in chicago i don’t know my
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nuclear history well enough
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i really should learn it better and it’s
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fascinating history
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and um the people who do know it don’t
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know
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all that much about the oak ridge
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history because that was kind of erased
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once we decided okay
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don’t do it then you know they they
22:05
we’re going with this right
22:07
right we don’t want to consider this
22:09
idea and then when people like kirk
22:11
sorensen who’s a hero by the way
22:12
um decided to start considering the idea
22:15
again
22:16
it was weird um you know it was
22:20
why why weren’t we doing this all along
22:22
type of thing and the answer is
22:24
aside from the first mover advantage and
22:26
the you know
22:27
kind of the that kind of thing there’s
22:29
also regulatory capture
22:31
the nuclear regulatory commission which
22:33
is a government agency
22:35
has these bureaucrats in it and the
22:37
bureaucrats want to keep their
22:38
bureaucrat job
22:39
and the bureaucrat job is very safe and
22:41
you know a pretty cushy job they’re
22:42
going to have a nice retirement and all
22:44
that
22:44
they don’t want to risk a new kind of
22:48
reactor
22:49
and there’s you know they go out and and
22:52
have dinner and play golf with these
22:53
reactor guys and all that they
22:55
they know these guys they know these
22:56
guys reactors they know these guys
22:58
are pretty safe normally i mean
23:00
three-mile island happened and all that
23:02
but one of the reasons that we know the
23:04
names of fukushima daiichi and
23:06
three-mile island and chernobyl and all
23:08
that
23:09
is because nuclear accidents are just so
23:10
damn rare you know
23:12
i mean there’s there’s coal and oil
23:14
accidents that just kill
23:16
all the time yeah and so
23:19
you know nuclear gets a bad rap and
23:22
all right this is going to be
23:23
controversial and i don’t really want to
23:25
defend it that much because
23:27
i’m not smart enough but there’s a whole
23:29
idea called radiation hormesis
23:32
okay and i don’t want to say the atomic
23:34
bomb was a good thing or anything like
23:35
that
23:36
but they’re you know we have human
23:38
experiments and not just the atomic
23:39
bombs
23:40
we have there there’s this building that
23:42
they built in taiwan where
23:44
a dude decided hey i know how to make
23:46
cobalt steel really cheap cheaply i can
23:49
take this surplus cobalt 60 and make the
23:51
steel out of that
23:52
and he did and made a whole skyscraper
23:54
and basically he started you know
23:56
irradiating and zapping
23:57
this giant unwinning human trial for
24:00
like a decade before anyone
24:02
found out that this building is hot this
24:04
was in taiwan
24:06
huh i think it was taiwan it turns out
24:08
that people are getting
24:09
lost cancer and it’s such a great you
24:12
know this is one of those
24:13
weird health factoids that only
24:14
libertarians would know like you know
24:16
cigar smokers and pipe smokers actually
24:19
get less
24:20
um live longer they get more cancer but
24:22
they live longer than non-smokers
24:24
because cigar smoking and pipe smoking
24:26
is correlated with wealth
24:27
and poverty sucks enough to kill you
24:31
and you know the the tobacco stats this
24:34
the this is one of those libertarian
24:35
things where
24:36
you have to be a libertarian to know
24:38
this you know the government
24:39
doesn’t trumpet those statistics because
24:42
you know
24:42
why are these people living longer
24:44
they’re doing something unhealthy
24:47
well and and like you said this is the
24:50
nature of of government over
24:53
decentralized voluntary planning
24:55
government planning tends to lean
24:57
towards
24:59
well is there any reason to innovate
25:02
no okay we won’t innovate whereas
25:06
in the for lack of a better word private
25:08
sector or the voluntary or for-profit
25:10
sector
25:11
the people are even non-profits but in
25:13
the voluntary sector
25:14
they have a vested interest in
25:16
innovating because they’re trying to
25:18
create the new innovations that will
25:20
make things better whereas in government
25:22
there’s
25:22
it’s it’s weird when it’s time to uh um
25:26
capitalize on a crisis to exert more
25:28
control they move quickly but when it’s
25:30
time to innovate for the betterment
25:32
of something they move incredibly slowly
25:35
because they don’t make any additional
25:37
money from doing that
25:38
now i want to ask you because before we
25:40
get into um
25:42
it’s even more evil than back though
25:44
spike because i don’t know if you’ve
25:45
heard about price anderson or not have
25:47
you
25:48
i’ve heard of him yeah no no price
25:50
anderson is like a
25:51
it’s a bill i think price was the
25:53
republican in anderson of the democrat
25:55
or something like that oh see i always
25:56
thought price anderson was the actual
25:57
person that introduced it well now i
25:58
know something new but go ahead
26:00
i i could be wrong i’m so ignorant no
26:03
you’re probably right you’re probably
26:04
right
26:04
it’s it’s a protectionist program it it
26:07
it prevents it’s a
26:08
don’t worry about it the taxpayers are
26:10
going to pick up the bill if a disaster
26:12
happens program
26:13
which is exactly the opposite incentive
26:16
that we should be giving these
26:17
executives
26:18
i mean you wonder why matt granting drew
26:20
the simpsons
26:21
like he did and the reason is because he
26:24
was right
26:25
i mean the simpsons is kind of an
26:26
anti-nuclear cartoon even though i love
26:28
him i gotta say you know it’s
26:29
you know homer throwing that glowing
26:31
thing around and all that you know okay
26:33
but he had a point and the point is this
26:36
price anderson thing
26:37
gives the plants incentives
26:40
perverse incentives not to be safer and
26:44
the great thing about a liquid fluoride
26:45
thorium reactor is
26:46
that it uses gravity as the pump let’s
26:48
say everybody dies
26:49
in the whole plant and all the machines
26:52
go off and something bad’s happening
26:53
okay
26:54
there’s this thing at the bottom of the
26:55
reactor that the reactor is this vessel
26:57
full of molten horrible radioactive salt
27:00
there’s this thing at the bottom of the
27:01
reactor that they blow a fan on it’s
27:03
kind of a kink in the pipe that they
27:04
blow a fan on
27:05
that keeps the the reactor full that
27:08
that fan goes off
27:09
the power dies the plug melts
27:12
and suddenly gravity makes the
27:15
the reactor go to a safe mode basically
27:19
and this all happens without any humans
27:21
without any machines without any moving
27:23
parts
27:24
and that’s the key that’s the the
27:25
difference with fukushima daiichi
27:27
because
27:27
fukushima daiichi actually i don’t want
27:30
to call it a success
27:32
but i mean some of those some of those
27:34
generators ran
27:35
for hours underwater which is kind of
27:38
amazing you know i mean
27:39
and very good because you needed the
27:41
especially
27:42
especially in the first few hours you
27:44
needed the cooling because that’s such a
27:45
dangerous type of reactor
27:48
and those reactors they those reactors
27:51
have
27:51
all this fuel that is spent fuel that’s
27:54
not really spent
27:54
that sits around and um everybody should
27:57
watch the five-minute video that will
27:59
explain a lot more than i can
28:00
about this but that’s that fuel is is
28:03
spent fuel for a
28:05
light water reactor but it’s potential
28:07
fuel for
28:08
a liquid fluoride reactor and the safest
28:11
thing to do
28:11
is not to take it anywhere to take a
28:14
reactor
28:15
and build it on top of the fuel you know
28:18
as close to the fuel as possible so
28:20
you’re not taking the risk of
28:22
transporting it to yucca mountain trying
28:24
to bury it
28:25
enormous expense you know and we do so
28:28
many expensive things
28:30
with nuclear it’s ridiculous there’s
28:32
this
28:33
all right i’m going to get back into
28:34
radiation homesis and i probably
28:35
promised i wouldn’t but
28:36
there’s this thing called the linear
28:38
throat no threshold
28:40
hypothesis that says because radiation
28:42
can kill you
28:44
any radiation is bad for you and this is
28:47
not really true
28:48
you know i mean sunburn can give you
28:50
skin cancer and it might yet give me
28:52
skin cancer
28:53
but a little bit of sun is kind of good
28:55
for you gets you vitamin d
28:56
and so they’re the same is true of
28:58
radiation
29:00
a little bit of radiation i think is
29:02
good for you is
29:03
arguably at least not bad for you but i
29:06
am not a doctor
29:07
i am a libertarian ignoramus don’t
29:09
listen to me read it read up on
29:10
radiation hormesis
29:12
okay so on when it comes to thorium
29:17
it’s providing the same amount of energy
29:20
it is
29:20
safer as you said it’s got basically a
29:22
built-in uh
29:24
safety that by the very virtue by the
29:26
very nature of how it works
29:27
if if some natural disaster was to
29:30
happen like a fukushima
29:31
and everyone died or wasn’t able to get
29:34
to it it would simply just naturally go
29:36
out from gravity
29:37
uh also a big part of this and and i
29:40
don’t know the exact number you can tell
29:41
me this
29:42
but my understanding is that the uh
29:45
reactor
29:45
the uh radioactive half-life of the
29:49
of the spent uh thorium is considerably
29:52
lower
29:53
than that of the the other more
29:55
traditional forms that are being used
29:56
used in that correct well it’s it’s kind
30:00
of even better than that i mean
30:01
this is where it starts sounding too
30:02
good to be true because you know
30:04
that the really good stuff that space
30:07
geeks like me
30:08
want is plutonium-238 and if you have
30:11
an only u-233 no u-235 no
30:14
no u-238 reactor you just have thorium
30:17
and u-233
30:19
you could in theory make a whole lot of
30:22
this good stuff the
30:23
the red hot you know for 87 years
30:26
powers the voyagers powers the
30:28
perseverance rovers type of stuff
30:30
and this is good and it also makes
30:33
medical isotopes these um
30:35
oh god i can’t explain this stuff but um
30:39
it’s it binds to a cell a cancer cell
30:43
specifically to a cell
30:45
they take a tiny a microgram of this
30:47
stuff
30:48
and the thing goes and binds to the cell
30:52
and then an alpha particle knocks it out
30:55
and okay
30:56
it’s it i’m not smart enough to explain
30:59
this to people
31:00
but this is so what i can explain is
31:03
abundance i mean we can have
31:05
and oh i forgot okay we can end
31:08
or at least reduce the risk of war
31:10
because
31:11
we can have abundance of fresh water a
31:14
lot of the conflicts
31:15
even in the middle east are not just
31:17
over oil they’re over fresh water
31:19
and fresh water is a problem around here
31:21
actually i’m
31:23
i could talk for hours about hemp for
31:25
water and my cannabis activism
31:27
my god i’ll bore you people to death but
31:29
you know and and we could have fixed the
31:30
problem that’s happening
31:32
right like 20 miles from here 20 years
31:35
ago
31:35
if they had listened to libertarians one
31:38
of the hashtags i’m trying to get
31:39
trending
31:40
is listen to libertarians but nobody
31:43
trends my hashtags you know
31:45
one of my other things i’m famous for
31:47
this actually is i’m trying to
31:48
re-legalize
31:50
190 proof brain alcohol in florida
31:54
and i’m infamous or famous for this you
31:56
know and i don’t know why this is so
31:58
hard because
31:59
to say this i mean i don’t want to get
32:01
randy i’ll i’ll get off topic let’s
32:03
stick with thorium please
32:05
ask me about that sometime okay yeah i i
32:08
definitely will so
32:10
with thorium it is just so i understand
32:13
the
32:13
radioactivity the half-life of it’s
32:15
actually less so you aren’t stuck with
32:17
something like a
32:18
you aren’t stuck with a spent fuel that
32:20
takes
32:21
tens of thousands of years to go inert
32:24
it’s something that’s a matter of
32:25
dozens or hundreds of years and can be
32:27
much more easily used in the meantime
32:29
for like you said like spacex
32:31
exploration and medical uses and things
32:33
like that so this is
32:34
not just better for energy but it’s
32:36
better in every way
32:38
yeah and they could do special reactors
32:41
okay they could have one kind of reactor
32:43
for the space geeks that makes a whole
32:45
bunch of of your plutonium-238
32:47
they could have another kind of reactor
32:49
that’s optimized for just making
32:51
electricity because
32:52
people need electricity right have
32:54
another kind of reactor
32:55
that you know makes say desalinated
32:58
water but also
32:59
really really really wants to burn up
33:01
waste and they could just
33:03
and you and in this kind of reactor you
33:04
can leave the waste forever
33:06
you know and just keep pounding it with
33:08
neutrons over and over and over and you
33:10
know finally things burn up you know
33:12
that
33:12
right the kind of reactors we have right
33:15
now they have to
33:16
switch out the fuel and it’s kind of
33:18
like it’s kind of like sticks in a fire
33:20
or something where you’re
33:21
you know around a campfire after a while
33:23
you have to adjust the sticks to keep
33:24
things burning you know because
33:26
there there’s unburned parts of them
33:27
sticking out there’s burn parts all in
33:29
the middle and so you have to
33:30
you know a nuclear reactor a solid fuel
33:33
nuclear reactor is that way
33:35
that’s why you want to do your chemistry
33:37
in liquids or gases
33:39
and that’s why weinberg you know was for
33:41
this he
33:42
he had a chemistry background as well as
33:44
a physics background
33:45
and the man was a genius man i mean he
33:48
was an example of you know
33:50
politicians being stubborn and not
33:51
listening to the genius guy
33:53
who already invented the other kind that
33:55
he’s dissing he himself is dissing his
33:57
own invention
33:58
and they’re sitting there and not
33:59
listening to him now question
34:02
why do you how much
34:05
of this is that the fact that you know
34:08
you
34:08
mentioned first mover advantage for the
34:10
for you know light and heavy water
34:12
reactors and things like that
34:14
but how much of this is also because
34:16
those other forms of
34:18
of power generation are much better
34:20
suited for
34:21
making nuclear weapons in fact they’re
34:22
actually some of them are actually
34:23
better suited
34:24
for making nuclear weapons than for
34:26
actual power generation
34:28
how much of it is that that this was the
34:31
a
34:31
a dog being wagged by the tail of the
34:34
military industrial complex
34:37
that’s a really good question and i’m
34:39
not the
34:40
greatest person to answer it i know that
34:43
early on
34:44
after nagasaki they you know they were
34:48
trying to
34:49
you know posture to the russians that we
34:51
had lots of nukes
34:53
and the truth was that they didn’t
34:55
really have
34:56
any that they knew would work and they
34:58
didn’t know when they could get some for
35:00
a while you know they were building them
35:02
as fast as they could
35:03
right they had you know they were scared
35:06
that they had very few
35:07
and of course the russians had really
35:10
good spying programs
35:11
inside of our program all the time um
35:14
and and turns out the chinese probably
35:16
do too the chinese didn’t even need to
35:18
spy for
35:19
um energy from thorium stuff kirk’s
35:21
origin just open sourced it
35:22
you know which is good i mean i want the
35:24
chinese to do this because then
35:26
the politicians in the usa will get off
35:28
their asses oh oh
35:29
i i’ve messed up this okay i’m
35:31
scatterbrained tonight spike
35:32
but how i how i first you know heard of
35:35
energy energy from thorium
35:36
was in 2008 because this geeky dude
35:39
asked president obama hey
35:41
why aren’t you doing this thing and so
35:43
rather i’m listening to
35:44
obama you know he didn’t really answer
35:47
but i’m googling this thing
35:49
and this just set me down the rabbit
35:50
hole you know right in 2008
35:52
and so and for a while i was advocating
35:55
for the democrats to do this i wasn’t
35:57
really bothering libertarians with
35:59
energy from thorium stuff that much or
36:00
if i did i was the worst because i would
36:03
like
36:03
link to like an hour and a half long
36:05
video that i liked
36:06
and it turns out that i’m not a very
36:08
normal person and so i like these really
36:10
long
36:11
google tech talks videos right right
36:13
right
36:14
normal people quit listening after three
36:16
minutes of a video the five minute one
36:17
is actually too long
36:19
okay and you know that and the google
36:21
engineers
36:22
have assured us that this is true anyway
36:25
you know i failed to convince the obama
36:27
administration
36:28
from 2008 you know on i i failed to
36:31
convince them
36:32
and then i failed to convince uh trump
36:35
he
36:35
he appointed rick perry who’s kind of a
36:38
doofus but i’m
36:39
i’m for doofus power i’m a doofus too
36:41
you know um
36:42
he appointed rick perry to do it and i
36:44
thought rick was going to do
36:45
better than he did but at least you know
36:48
they they kind of posture to do
36:49
regulation but
36:50
i am excited about ricky dale harrington
36:53
he would have
36:54
executive power as a governor to allow
36:57
all kinds of experimentation i think i
37:00
do not know
37:01
and it would be you know possibly
37:03
dependent on some federal issues who
37:04
knows i’m not a lawyer
37:06
um i would just want to free up this
37:09
kind of of experimentation
37:11
inside the usa because it’s not very
37:13
dangerous
37:14
and here’s what’s going to happen if we
37:15
don’t do it the chinese are going
37:18
the chinese are going to do this you
37:21
know and possibly other countries will
37:23
too
37:23
if i were the iranians i mean i wouldn’t
37:26
care about a nuclear weapon i would care
37:28
about building one of these things
37:30
a liquid fluoride reactor is way way
37:32
more valuable than a nuclear weapon
37:35
well let me ask you this um someone in
37:38
the comments let me find that comment
37:39
actually someone asked
37:41
uh can thorium salt reactors can they
37:45
help burn off nuclear waste from other
37:48
reactors is that is that something
37:49
that’s possible
37:51
absolutely and you can build the the
37:53
molten salt reactor right
37:54
near right on top of almost that’s what
37:57
you were talking about you can build it
37:58
on top of the other one
37:59
you know i was worried about you know if
38:01
you’re if you’re gonna bring it to this
38:03
you know this uh is it that mountain in
38:05
um
38:06
nevada mountain yeah yucca mountain
38:09
that nobody wants you know this to
38:11
happen i mean
38:13
the the residents don’t want it the
38:14
native americans don’t want it nobody
38:16
wants it and yet it’s being done this is
38:19
not the way
38:20
you know we’ve got to do things
38:21
voluntarily and if
38:23
this is suddenly fuel that makes money
38:25
you know
38:26
someone is going to make a reactor on
38:29
top of it and make money
38:31
hopefully and it will actually be safer
38:34
than just leaving it there to to fester
38:36
uh and slowly get its uh you know slowly
38:39
uh uh you know go through it’s it’s
38:41
multi-thousand-year-long half-life you
38:43
can actually utilize it for many years
38:45
and lower its half life in the in the
38:47
interim talk to us about
38:50
specifics as much as you can what is it
38:53
like right now we know that this
38:54
technology works we know that it is
38:56
scalable we know that it’s possible to
38:58
make smaller reactors because of the
39:00
fact that um
39:02
that it doesn’t require this big massive
39:04
facility you can have these smaller
39:05
reactors
39:06
so you can have you know mini and micro
39:08
reactors across the country it’s also
39:10
safer
39:11
you could potentially have large
39:12
vehicles using this uh
39:14
meaning like you know like boats and
39:15
things that are using this for
39:17
commercial applications and airplanes
39:18
and everything else
39:20
what is it that’s actually stopping this
39:22
from happening like if i wanted to go
39:23
out and start making a
39:25
thorium reactor what is actually
39:27
stopping me from being
39:28
being able to do this on a commercial
39:29
scale
39:31
um if you’re in china nothing i think
39:35
i mean when the chinese do this and
39:37
suddenly start making
39:39
the reactor that fits in one or two
39:41
shipping containers
39:42
it is going to change the world and i’m
39:44
not against this you know everyone
39:46
thinks of china as the enemy and all
39:47
that maybe it’s because i have chinese
39:49
family too but i don’t think of them as
39:51
the enemy i want them to be our friends
39:53
i want them to prosper i think them
39:55
prospering will make me prosper
39:57
i’m not a particularly big fan of their
39:59
government but i’m not a big fan of
40:00
our government you know
40:03
that’s true that’s true but so here in
40:05
the us what is it that’s stopping people
40:08
um the nuclear regulatory commission
40:11
would definitely frown upon
40:13
ricky dale harrington saying oh [ __ ] you
40:15
you’re the feds
40:17
but i think ricky dale harrington should
40:18
say that anyway i mean
40:20
he could hire me to go say it you know
40:22
he could hire much more competent people
40:24
than me though
40:26
so this is so basically so the nrc is is
40:29
making this uh prohibitively expensive
40:32
for people to be able to actually be
40:33
able to do this so we’re stuck with
40:36
uh
40:39
permission for new kinds of nuclear
40:41
reactors these days
40:43
there has in fact there hasn’t been a
40:45
new type of nuclear reactor built in
40:47
like
40:47
30 something years right yeah and they
40:50
don’t even do traditional ones you know
40:51
and because of this price anderson
40:53
nonsense
40:54
you know the the traditional ones have a
40:56
cushy insurance
40:58
you know subsidy basically and they’re
41:01
not really
41:02
looking forward to ensuring new types of
41:04
them and i’m saying okay on that i agree
41:07
let’s make warren buffett or somebody
41:09
who’s really really greedy and careful
41:11
ensure these things because you know i
41:13
would ensure something that relies on
41:15
gravity as a pump much
41:16
sooner than i would insure something
41:18
that relies on pumps
41:19
i’ve had headaches with pumps especially
41:22
in motors
41:24
pumps are very prone to failure
41:28
so this is a perfect example of how
41:30
government screws things up right so we
41:32
have
41:32
you know bad regulations lack of
41:36
accountability for crony businesses
41:38
crowding out of of innovation and and
41:41
new disruptive people in a in a space
41:43
because
41:44
that would threaten the market share of
41:45
the people that are in there um
41:47
it also would threaten energy prices so
41:50
there’s also the factor that
41:51
uh if this doesn’t work for big oil uh
41:54
if it
41:55
drives down the price of energy so that
41:57
now oil isn’t an effective and efficient
41:59
way to provide
42:00
energy suddenly big oil is at threat uh
42:02
which actually which hurts the military
42:04
industrial complex two ways they’re
42:06
uh both threatening their their nuclear
42:08
stockpile and their
42:09
their justifications for for uh for
42:12
fossil fuel energy for their
42:14
um military uh expeditionary
42:18
forces and things like that so there’s
42:21
many
42:22
factors of why government is the only
42:25
people
42:25
government and its cronies are the only
42:27
people that do not want this to happen
42:30
but that’s enough they’re the only ones
42:32
who have a say in whether it happens or
42:34
not
42:34
what are the things that you would tell
42:36
people that want to push for
42:38
uh energy from thorium what what are
42:40
some of the things that we can be doing
42:42
in terms of activism in terms of
42:46
you know uh coalition building what’s
42:47
the kind of stuff that people can be
42:48
doing
42:49
to try to get nuclear uh energy from
42:51
thorium
42:52
out there and get more people aware of
42:53
it well first of all if you can
42:56
definitely volunteer for ricky’s
42:58
campaign but also
42:59
i’ve neglected to mention this about
43:01
ricky dale harrington but
43:02
he was so kind to me uh all this
43:04
kindness i get from libertarians it’s
43:06
just
43:07
touching but what he is going to do is
43:10
coming to florida
43:11
and he we must find a libertarian
43:15
at least small l fishing guide to get
43:18
him
43:18
a tarpon a monster tarpon we want a
43:21
photograph of him releasing
43:22
a huge huge tarpon he also
43:26
should get we want him to get some
43:27
grouper for the table some snapper
43:29
something like that
43:31
but definitely a huge tarpon for his
43:34
campaign
43:35
and we want him to come to florida and
43:37
we want him to have the best time of his
43:38
life fishing
43:39
and ultimately all right i’m going to
43:41
say this it’s controversial but
43:43
you know i want him to move to florida
43:45
and i actually want you to move to
43:47
florida and i want all the cohens in
43:49
south carolina to move to florida
43:50
i know i keep saying this but it’s true
43:53
listen i
43:54
i there are there are a handful of
43:56
places that are in the uh
43:57
the offing for potentially uh for us to
44:00
move
44:00
and uh the there are two or three of
44:03
those spots are in florida there’s the
44:05
gulf coast
44:06
there’s the miami area and there’s the
44:08
keys
44:09
uh and my wife also likes the
44:11
jacksonville area so there’s i guess
44:12
technically there’s four
44:13
areas uh in in florida um
44:17
the traffic will make you want to kill
44:18
people that’s what my
44:20
see that’s what she says but martha
44:23
bueno is the greatest by the way
44:24
i mean oh martin is amazing i should say
44:26
that martha bueno is
44:28
so fantastic and i need to meet that
44:31
uncle of hers
44:32
that introduced her that gave us martha
44:35
there’s an uncle that i have yet to meet
44:37
and i have to buy him a drink i have to
44:39
buy him dinner
44:41
well we can we can we can crowdsource
44:43
that we can all buy him dinner um
44:45
i you know i i like i have to say i’m
44:47
partial to miami but only because i get
44:49
to have a day off there during the
44:50
campaign
44:51
uh but my wife had to deal with the
44:52
traffic and she said i would hate the
44:54
traffic so i i think
44:55
is is the is the tampa bay area that’s
44:57
better on traffic
45:00
every every place in florida is better
45:01
on traffic than miami
45:03
i mean i i don’t even want to describe
45:05
that you know we what we need
45:07
for traffic problems is drones we need
45:11
electric drones you know
45:13
with robots i don’t want drinking and
45:16
driving to be
45:17
even a problem anymore i want to be able
45:18
to be kicking ass drunk
45:21
and some drone from uber just comes and
45:24
takes me where i want to go
45:26
without any traffic or delays or any of
45:29
that stuff so we could spend
45:31
you have like 15 different pet projects
45:33
that you’re trying to
45:34
better society with through sheer force
45:36
of will
45:37
i we have to hyper focus on thorium so
45:40
that we won’t be here until two in the
45:41
morning
45:42
no no that’s good no you’re right no all
45:44
of your ideas are great
45:45
we just you know we have limited time so
45:47
getting to thorium
45:49
um one uh amazing thing
45:52
about thorium besides the fact that it
45:55
is
45:56
safer and cheaper and cleaner than even
45:58
the current existing
45:59
nuclear used nuclear technologies which
46:02
are themselves
46:03
safer and cleaner and and and and
46:05
cheaper than
46:06
pretty much any other form of
46:08
sustainable form of energy
46:10
um but one of the really cool things
46:11
about thorium
46:13
is that it allows us to build towards
46:17
the future in a couple different ways
46:18
by driving down the price of energy if
46:21
the price of energy you remove one
46:22
or two zeros from the cost of the price
46:25
of energy
46:26
then suddenly you’ve got you know all of
46:28
the innovations that come from that
46:30
two specific ones i want to talk about
46:32
is how it can be used
46:33
to build the next uh to to work towards
46:36
the next generation of energy production
46:39
and also innovations for things like uh
46:43
innovating for fixing things with
46:45
climate change can you talk about those
46:46
two things
46:48
yeah um really if electricity gets cheap
46:51
enough
46:52
then co2 turns from a pollutant to a
46:55
resource
46:57
you know instantly there’s a price point
47:00
and i don’t know exactly where it is
47:02
but i’m certain that if my electric bill
47:04
goes down to 20
47:05
of what it was tomorrow that’s one of
47:08
the effects you know co2
47:10
you know greta thundberg will have to
47:11
find something else to
47:13
you know be upset about i’m certain
47:17
i’m certain she and her time so find
47:19
something no we’ll find something for
47:20
greta
47:21
but but when you say that it would make
47:23
co2 into a into a resource
47:26
how exactly would that happen there are
47:29
all you have to do is have cheap enough
47:31
electricity
47:32
to split hydrogen and oxygen and then
47:35
you have the hydro part
47:36
and co2 is the carbon part you have
47:38
these there are machines that will suck
47:40
co2 out of the air
47:41
you combine them with some power you
47:43
know cheap power now
47:45
and you have a liquid fuel with no
47:48
drilling
47:49
with no overseas wars with no tankers
47:52
with no
47:52
various no costs you know you have some
47:55
costs
47:55
zapping it into existence out of thin
47:58
air right is obviously going to be a
47:59
cost
48:00
but you know compared to having wars i
48:02
don’t think it’s much of a cost
48:04
and you know that’s that’s the thing war
48:06
pollutes everybody talks about pollution
48:08
and they yep all the hand-wringing about
48:11
bitcoin especially when the price gets
48:13
going nuts the hand-wringing about
48:15
bitcoin goes nuts
48:16
and nobody talks about the pollution of
48:19
war and
48:20
war is the most polluting thing i mean
48:23
humans are terrible
48:24
and on that subject okay now that i’ve
48:26
yammered long enough that nobody’s
48:27
listening to this thing anyway
48:28
let’s talk about the very end of that
48:30
five-minute video people are
48:32
first of all people are still listening
48:33
i just want to note that but go ahead
48:36
all right but the very end of that five
48:39
minute video
48:40
you know kirk sorensen said people had
48:42
had slaves for thousands of years
48:43
and when we harnessed carbon as our
48:45
slaves suddenly we were able to
48:47
to become human beings to our each other
48:49
or at least try to
48:51
okay and we knew that about
48:54
you know oil companies saving the whales
48:57
or something
48:58
but we didn’t i didn’t know it really
49:00
about you know
49:01
that you know it’s not that our war our
49:04
our war was a better war and that ended
49:07
slavery you know
49:08
what ended slavery was technology and so
49:11
this is vitally important technology can
49:14
end the rest of the slavery that people
49:17
have
49:17
you know instituted i know that this
49:20
sounds far-fetched
49:21
to some people you know and maybe it is
49:24
but i’m i’m
49:25
i’m certain i’m convinced that there are
49:27
benefits
49:28
that we will have if this happens that
49:31
we can’t imagine
49:32
you know it’s easy to imagine that the
49:35
you know cheaper electric bill stuff
49:36
but the unimaginable benefits that’s the
49:39
key
49:40
the prosperity for other people you know
49:42
the there are
49:43
there are such cool people in this
49:45
movement not just ricky dale harrington
49:47
um caitlin cloven she volunteered
49:51
i mean i have just such the coolest
49:54
people
49:55
in this you know it just it’s the
49:57
greatest
49:59
and thank you for doing this show oh of
50:01
course i
50:02
listen man i love you i’m i’m glad to
50:04
give you a platform for it but i i want
50:05
to so
50:06
when you’re talking about pulling the
50:08
the carbon out you’re literally talking
50:10
about technology that exists now but
50:12
it’s just too cost prohibitive to do it
50:14
on a mass scale
50:15
but if you could reduce the cost of the
50:17
energy you take a couple zeros off the
50:19
cost of the energy
50:20
now the the technology to literally pull
50:23
the carbon
50:23
out of the air and to combine it with
50:25
hydrogen to make a
50:27
a liter liquid fuel uh hydrogen and
50:29
oxygen to make a burn a usable liquid
50:32
fuel
50:32
now not only are you creating a source
50:34
of energy but you’re also
50:36
literally pulling the carbon out of the
50:38
uh out of the air
50:39
and reducing reducing actually
50:42
remediating the greenhouse gas effect
50:45
that’s my understanding of it that’s
50:47
incredible that is incredible and then
50:49
of course
50:50
any generation of uh energy any any
50:54
any creation of a new form of of
50:55
electricity or new form of energy
50:57
production like for example
50:59
nuclear fusion which we’ve i mean i i
51:02
remember when they were
51:03
saying when i was a kid that that was 10
51:05
15 20 years away
51:06
i’m now 38 they’re telling me it’s 10 15
51:09
20 years away
51:10
i’m told that when other people were in
51:12
their 20s and 30s back in the 70s and
51:15
80s
51:15
they were told that it was 10 15 20
51:17
years away it seems to perpetually be 10
51:19
15 20 years away and a big
51:21
reason for that is because with all of
51:23
the innovation that
51:24
has been happening they keep discovering
51:26
that there’s even more stuff that they
51:28
didn’t even know that they needed to
51:29
know
51:30
by reducing the cost of energy again
51:32
taking exponentially reducing the cost
51:34
of energy
51:35
that allows what’s happening to happen
51:38
exponentially
51:39
faster because there’s a cost built in
51:41
to all of this innovation that that
51:43
happens not just in energy but in
51:45
anything
51:45
so what you’re talking about is we can
51:48
talk about
51:49
oh wow my energy bill is that much less
51:51
that’s much that that’s more money i can
51:53
spend
51:53
at the shop or whatever but what we’re
51:56
not thinking about and it’s hard to even
51:58
calculate
51:59
is what that actually looks like to
52:00
society what
52:02
innovations being able to happen
52:04
exponentially faster because they’re
52:05
exponentially cheaper
52:07
looks like what communities that right
52:09
now cannot afford
52:11
energy uh being able to afford energy
52:14
and mass energy because it’s actually
52:17
been brought down to their
52:18
level then being able to prosper you
52:20
know the developing nations now being
52:21
able to develop so much faster
52:23
not at the expense of us but at the
52:25
expense of
52:26
of big oil and the and the you know the
52:29
energy cartels that exist right now
52:31
um when you see also
52:34
water i mean it’s so vital to have water
52:37
and this will give everyone clean water
52:40
and we can we can clean up florida’s
52:42
aquifers you know right now
52:44
they’re pumping some of this horrible
52:46
mess
52:47
yeah you know and then they’ve pumped
52:50
sewage down there they do all kinds of
52:52
crazy things
52:53
and the government in this state just
52:57
drives me crazy sometimes with what they
52:58
do to water
52:59
but we if we had abundant cheap water
53:02
maybe they wouldn’t do such stupid
53:04
things
53:07
their stupid things would be less
53:09
impactful on our lives so what james is
53:11
talking about if you don’t know in
53:12
in tampa bay there are these giant i
53:15
forget the names of them but they’re
53:16
these giant basically retention ponds
53:18
of phosphorated water that are filled
53:21
with basically toxic sludge and they’ve
53:23
been sitting there for decades
53:25
they’re just waiting for them to
53:26
evaporate slowly over time
53:28
there’s no way that hurts the the air
53:30
quality by by any means but anyway
53:31
they’ve been just letting it sit there
53:33
not really sure what to do with it
53:34
and they just found out a couple days
53:35
ago that uh that one of the wells is
53:37
falling apart
53:38
uh or one of the ponds uh the walls are
53:40
falling apart and there is a very real
53:42
threat in certain parts by the way are
53:44
you in this part of tampa bay that’s
53:45
that they’re doing the evacuation orders
53:48
no but my friend als patient
53:51
and cannabis activist kathy jordan is
53:54
what was in the evacuation zone they
53:56
didn’t have to evacuate her but it’s
53:58
actually worse than what you were saying
53:59
spike
54:00
yeah because they have been ignoring
54:03
the the hemp for water idea there’s a
54:06
group
54:06
hemp the numeral for water that’s been
54:08
trying to you know
54:10
use the the hemp plant to clean up the
54:13
everglades and not just these
54:14
you know crappy phosphate ponds which
54:16
are going to be hard to clean up because
54:17
they’re very acidic
54:18
but all the water heading down into the
54:21
everglades
54:22
has way too much nitrogen and hemp is
54:25
the
54:25
plant kingdom’s champion at pulling
54:28
nitrogen out of the
54:29
out of the water and the thing is for 20
54:31
years these
54:33
idiots have been telling me oh you just
54:35
want that because you want to get stoned
54:37
you know and acting like i don’t even
54:39
care about florida’s environment
54:40
when i’m the only person i know who has
54:42
been water self-sufficient
54:44
for a period i’m not anymore um in
54:47
florida that i know on rain
54:49
and you know that it’s just it’s nuts
54:51
it’s hypocritical our enemies are
54:53
terrible people sometimes they’re really
54:55
you know drive me nuts
54:58
so yeah no and i mean it’s it’s a huge
55:00
problem and it’s this is a perfect
55:02
example of what happens when the actors
55:04
that created this nonsense aren’t held
55:05
accountable and it’s left to the state
55:07
and the taxpayer to deal with it and you
55:09
end up with giant retention ponds filled
55:10
with sludge
55:11
that are slowly disintegrating so that
55:13
eventually uh
55:14
they described it as a potential 20-foot
55:16
tall tsunami
55:18
of sludge hitting entire neighborhoods
55:20
uh on the i believe
55:21
southeast part of tampa bay but uh
55:24
this is what happens when government’s
55:26
in charge when we get government out of
55:27
the way
55:28
and we allow uh innovators to do what
55:30
they do and to innovate
55:31
you could end up with your your you know
55:33
energy bill being
55:34
i mean just for people out there that
55:36
are spending let’s say two 300 bucks
55:38
uh or even 400 bucks a month on uh
55:41
on electricity or if they’re up north
55:44
and or in an area with
55:45
natural gas maybe a combination of
55:47
electricity and natural gas so you’re
55:48
spending thousands of dollars
55:50
imagine if it was tens of dollars
55:52
imagine if the cost of energy went down
55:54
so much
55:55
that instead of spending five
55:58
thousand bucks a year on energy or maybe
56:00
ten thousand depending on your household
56:02
thousands of dollars a year take the
56:04
first two
56:05
zeros off of that now you’re spending
56:07
tens of dollars
56:08
a year on energy now it’s a nuisance fee
56:11
now it’s not
56:12
it’s less than what you’re paying for
56:14
phone and internet
56:16
oh and your phone and internet cost goes
56:17
down too because they also all their
56:19
bills go down
56:20
and everything that you use the price
56:22
goes down
56:23
because their costs go down and their
56:25
profits go up their profits go up their
56:27
costs go down they’re able to filter
56:28
those profits
56:29
into research and development so that
56:32
now new innovations can happen
56:34
quite faster and more efficiently
56:37
because their costs are down and their
56:39
access to energy is higher
56:40
that’s how you get that next generation
56:42
of societal benefits that comes from
56:44
innovation
56:44
and all we have to do you can correct me
56:46
if i’m wrong james all we have to do
56:48
is just have government let us do it
56:51
instead of trying to impose something
56:53
that we don’t want on us exactly and
56:57
that’s why
56:58
it’s so important for us to get behind
57:00
good politicians like ricky dale
57:02
harrington
57:03
and support him in his work i’m i really
57:06
you know i wish we could have done more
57:08
to help him in his other campaign
57:09
against this tom cotton
57:11
dude because now we’re seeing the
57:12
results of that you know tom cotton is
57:14
an idiot
57:15
and we could have we could have a voice
57:17
of reason up there in the senate
57:19
you know if we had somehow i don’t know
57:21
i guess it would have taken more money
57:22
probably wouldn’t take a fooling
57:24
continent actually debating him
57:26
because he’s that’s what it would have
57:27
taken
57:29
it sounds like let me tell you something
57:30
if i’m a rioting prison inmate
57:33
if i hear his voice i’m gonna i’m gonna
57:35
quit beating the guard and listen to him
57:37
you know he’s got a voice
57:39
i mean oh ricky ricky is incredible so i
57:42
did an event with ricky
57:44
harrington in arkansas last year and i
57:46
i’ve spoken on the phone with him a few
57:47
he’s a friend of mine
57:49
um i went to an event with him
57:52
and i spoke uh at a uh a forum that we
57:54
had outside
57:55
uh with uh about um because this was
57:58
during you know lockdowns and and
58:00
everything and you know everything had
58:01
to be outside
58:02
it wasn’t it was for the weather was in
58:03
the 40s i was not dressed for that
58:05
and i’m also not from places where it’s
58:07
common for
58:08
for the the temperatures to be in the
58:10
40s and i’m doing this
58:11
uh this um criminal justice reform forum
58:15
outside with uh ricky dale harrington
58:17
and another guy by the name of phil
58:19
fletcher
58:20
uh who is uh a uh a homeless uh a
58:23
homeless and previously incarcerated
58:25
activist and advocate uh he’s also
58:27
building he’s an incredi you should talk
58:29
with him
58:29
you guys would love each other he’s
58:30
building uh uh he’s working on building
58:33
a uh
58:33
a a tiny home community for uh the
58:36
previously homeless
58:38
um but anyway so we’re having this
58:39
conversation and i’m freezing i feel
58:41
like i’m freezing to death slowly
58:43
um and honestly if i had continued to
58:45
stay out there i would have died at some
58:47
point it probably would have taken
58:48
at least another hour but i’m sitting
58:49
out there and i’m thinking
58:51
this is what it’s like for your body to
58:52
shut down slowly and yet anytime that
58:55
ricky talked
58:56
i felt at total peace with what was
58:58
happening i thought
58:59
if i’m gonna die then i’ll die here
59:01
sitting a few feet from ricky while he’s
59:03
explaining how we’re going to solve the
59:04
world’s ill he just has such a calming
59:06
effect and uh yeah no tom cotton
59:09
he was a coward to not debate ricky but
59:11
he was also smart the dumbest thing he
59:13
could have done was to be standing
59:15
in direct contrast to ricky harrington
59:17
you know ricky harrington
59:18
on a shoestring budget uh was able to
59:21
get you know 30 what 34
59:24
of the vote uh in a two-way race against
59:26
a very very well-funded and well-known
59:28
republican who is on the short list of
59:31
republicans who are going to run for for
59:32
the presidential nomination in the
59:34
future
59:34
he did incredibly well and uh anything
59:36
we can do to help him in the future
59:38
would would be very very helpful and
59:39
i’m glad to hear that he signed on to
59:41
this because i really do believe
59:43
um that thorium is
59:46
the at least for now the best chance we
59:49
have
59:49
to have the cleanest and most affordable
59:52
and most efficient and most
59:54
uh carbon neutral and and not just
59:56
carbon neutral
59:57
net negative carbon which you can factor
60:00
in the technologies that can foster
60:02
um form of energy that we have until we
60:04
get to
60:06
um fusion and those types of things and
60:08
frankly i think that the only way we can
60:10
even that we can get to fusion
60:12
in our lifetime or even in the lifetime
60:14
of of you know
60:15
kids right now is through thorium and
60:18
the the innovation boost that it will
60:20
provide
60:21
yeah fission’s the first step we’ve got
60:23
to do that i mean i
60:24
i love the idea of speculating about
60:26
fusion but you know
60:28
i’ll speculate about anything that that
60:30
mars
60:31
helicopter you know nasa is driving me
60:33
crazy by saying they only want to use it
60:35
five times
60:36
i say fly the damn thing into the dirt
60:39
my goodness
60:39
we’ve got why are you saving it for yeah
60:42
what are you saving this drone for it’s
60:44
in mars
60:45
i mean they’re planning only five
60:48
missions you know
60:49
it’s like the nasa wants to drive me
60:52
crazy i’m convinced you know they’ve
60:53
you know they have various ways of doing
60:55
it they’re you know it’s it’s like
60:57
let’s see what we can do to have the
60:58
experiment on him you know
61:01
well we want we want to stop them from
61:02
doing that but um
61:04
listen james you are incredible and you
61:07
have done a fantastic job explaining uh
61:10
why thorium is the future forward and
61:12
more than
61:13
more important than the fact that you’re
61:14
explaining it as i said before my
61:17
introduction to you
61:18
every time i hear a libertarian
61:22
not just within the party but just in
61:23
the libertarian sphere
61:25
talk about energy from thorium and i
61:28
hear them say the exact same things that
61:29
i’ve said
61:30
the exact same things that they’ve heard
61:31
from that i’ve heard from you
61:33
without fail i say i wonder if james ray
61:36
was behind this
61:36
and without fail i find out yes you were
61:39
either directly or indirectly behind
61:40
this person now talking about energy
61:42
from thorium
61:43
so the work that you’re doing within the
61:44
movement uh cannot be measured
61:47
um and you know when libertarians are
61:49
able to
61:50
uh you know you want to talk about
61:52
having a having a
61:54
niche in market uh to you know we’re the
61:56
only ones talking about this
61:58
and when we are able to use this and
62:00
other things to propel ourselves into
62:01
office and actually get this stuff done
62:03
it’s going to be in large part to the
62:04
work that you laid down so i am very
62:06
grateful to you for doing that through
62:08
my credit though tom woods
62:09
you know i pestered tom woods into doing
62:11
a show and actually
62:13
for the record by the way tom woods
62:14
should actually have an energy from
62:16
thorium week
62:17
he should have kirk sorensen on for a
62:18
whole week like i’m not satisfied with
62:21
one tom woods show anymore
62:22
i want a tom woods week of shows on
62:24
energy from thorium
62:26
and and tom knows that and eventually i
62:28
might test my way
62:30
he has to fill a show a day you know i
62:33
i do shows when i feel like it you know
62:35
you have a much i do them once a week
62:37
and he tom does one every day so he
62:39
could definitely he he needs to fill it
62:41
but
62:41
it’s going to be because of the work
62:42
that you’ve done that uh that allows
62:44
that to happen
62:45
now james before i let you go i want to
62:47
give you the floor give you a chance to
62:49
say anything that you didn’t get a
62:50
chance to say
62:51
about thorium or anything else i know
62:52
you’ve got many different projects
62:54
you’re working on so you can talk about
62:55
it
62:56
tell people how they can continue to uh
62:58
to stay in touch with you
62:59
for as long as you need james m ray
63:02
the floor is yours okay
63:05
i’m on facebook as james m ray until i
63:10
get kicked off i’m on twitter as james
63:12
milton ray
63:14
james milton ray just all all one word
63:17
um
63:17
i’m on various other media like we
63:20
should be on float
63:21
you know i feel guilty because i i saw
63:23
your show about float and
63:25
and we should be on that and and the
63:27
cooler ones and eventually
63:28
facebook will finally kick me off but
63:30
you know all my high school boomer
63:32
friends on facebook
63:33
but thank you so much for your kindness
63:36
oh of course i’d like to thank all the
63:37
libertarians for
63:39
all of their kindness that they’ve shown
63:40
me over the years not just on this
63:42
subject but on a lot of subjects you
63:44
know the movement
63:46
kind of runs on kindness in the end
63:49
although it doesn’t seem that way
63:50
sometimes when we’re all fractious with
63:51
each other but
63:52
you know our our enemies
63:55
are scared of us and they’re scared of
63:58
us for a reason
63:59
you know we have unimaginable good on
64:01
our side
64:03
and these people that that we have are
64:06
the coolest libertarians
64:07
in the movement you know and the waffle
64:09
house caucus i’ll give you that
64:12
oh no the world this party
64:15
let’s be clear i don’t want to take from
64:16
your floor i’ll give you the floor back
64:18
shortly
64:18
this party will not advance without the
64:21
waffle house caucus let’s be very clear
64:22
about that sorry go ahead
64:24
and i love the waffle house caucus by
64:26
the way i believe
64:27
okay i know nothing about this but i
64:29
never know anything until they do it
64:31
but i believe that one of the lpf um
64:34
events will be catered by the waffle
64:35
house or catered from a waffle house or
64:38
something like that i don’t know but
64:39
it’s going to be it’s going to be great
64:41
fun
64:41
and we have such great people mark
64:44
tanser who who
64:45
is our our roots to our past because
64:48
everybody’s focused on bitcoin but we
64:49
also
64:50
have a past in the precious metals
64:52
industry
64:53
and gold and silver is very important
64:55
you know our
64:56
our history the the old coins and stuff
64:58
like that are just very important
65:00
we have other people you know stephen
65:01
decaylia has done
65:03
enormous work and it’s mostly you know
65:06
uncredited and um you know the other
65:09
people in the party
65:10
i mean i i can’t even stand their phone
65:12
calls i may be able to stand their phone
65:14
calls again i don’t know
65:15
i couldn’t stand them for a while that’s
65:17
for sure but you know i’m not really
65:19
good with the inner imaginations of
65:21
parties i’m good with
65:22
you know just going out and doing things
65:24
on my own sometimes they work like
65:26
energy for thorium stuff sometimes they
65:29
don’t really work like my
65:30
give us back 190 proof booze stuff
65:34
but you know i have these different
65:35
advocacy things and it
65:37
you know if you want something done in
65:39
this movement you basically have to
65:41
work to do it yourself you know and if
65:44
you’re right and if you’re doing good
65:45
things then
65:46
other people will join on and hopefully
65:48
the energy from thorium caucus i mean
65:50
right now
65:50
i i looked and i guess i’m the leader
65:54
we don’t really have any rules or
65:55
anything and so i’m afraid like
65:57
like most of my groups like the sarasota
65:58
libertarians it’s an anarchy again
66:00
and i’m not that much of an anarchist i
66:03
i’m sort of
66:04
you know into some structure aren’t i
66:08
i don’t know well i mean you can have
66:09
voluntary structure right that’s what it
66:11
that’s what it is but
66:12
yeah i mean you are the if if there is a
66:14
if there is a hierarchy
66:16
of the uh of any hierarchy in the lp
66:19
energy from thorium caucus you were
66:20
clearly at the top of it
66:22
but so james m ray on facebook
66:25
and jane at james milton ray on twitter
66:29
and again keep going you say what you
66:31
need
66:32
i’m one of the few people that is
66:33
actually followed by the spike cohen
66:36
so i feel i feel very proud of that and
66:38
yeah officially
66:40
by the way let me say something about
66:42
comedy okay
66:43
all right first of all the funniest
66:44
thing i have ever heard
66:46
about you is from your wife saying that
66:48
you’re not funny
66:50
because that is hilarious okay spike
66:52
cohen is the funniest candidate we have
66:54
ever run
66:55
and so was vermin supreme you know i was
66:57
a supporter in the end
66:59
and i love vermin okay i i’m so glad
67:02
that he’s
67:03
still active in the party and he’s he’s
67:05
doing the right thing okay
67:06
he’s getting things done with the vermin
67:08
supreme institute he’s not
67:10
you know arguing with the rest of the
67:11
party about what they should do or
67:13
whatever
67:13
he is helping people with his skin
67:15
institute i am trying to do the same
67:17
kind of thing you know because
67:19
to the extent that i’m inside the party
67:21
you know
67:22
i end up infuriating people even when i
67:24
don’t mean to infuriate people i
67:25
infuriate them you know
67:26
and i definitely mean to infuriate the
67:28
democrats and republicans but i don’t
67:30
want to be known
67:31
for just being infuriating because you
67:34
know
67:34
i remember harry reid for you know how
67:37
how loving and kind he was and i want to
67:39
be right
67:40
remembered for being kind and loving too
67:41
you know
67:43
well you definitely don’t infuriate me
67:45
so you got that going for you
67:47
you do have me following you and you
67:48
guys should be following them too james
67:50
m ray on facebook
67:51
at james milton m-i-l-t-o-n ray
67:55
uh on twitter and uh the lp energy from
67:58
thorium caucus facebook group
68:01
um and then you’ve got like 600 other
68:03
facebook groups too but you start with
68:04
the thorium
68:05
caucus uh the energy from thorium caucus
68:07
and then he’ll he’ll
68:08
he’ll he’ll repeal you into all the
68:10
other caucuses as well
68:12
uh but so one more thing though you are
68:15
the power
68:16
no i’m not no no no i’m spike cohen
68:19
you are the power i say that that’s
68:21
that’s not i’m not the one person who’s
68:23
not there’s the venn diagram
68:25
the process of elimination you must be
68:26
the power no i’m just
68:28
going so the the venn diagram is a tiny
68:31
dot that says spike cohen
68:33
and this giant circle that says the
68:36
power and that’s everyone else
68:37
and they don’t touch there is zero
68:39
overlap james
68:40
i love you thank you so much for coming
68:42
on you were great stick around we’re
68:44
gonna talk during the uh during the
68:45
outro
68:46
but folks thank you guys so much for
68:48
tuning in to this episode of
68:50
my fellow americans i hope that you were
68:52
as uh
68:53
um illuminated and educated on
68:56
this uh issue as as i have been i think
68:58
it’s incredible and you should find out
69:00
more
69:00
so be sure to follow james and the
69:02
libertarian party thorium
69:04
energy from thorium caucus uh tomorrow
69:07
night is the writer’s block
69:11
and i don’t know who matt’s guest is so
69:14
i gotta look that up right now
69:16
matt’s guest you’re not gonna believe
69:17
who matt’s guest is neither was i
69:19
because where
69:22
is it here we go writer’s block uh
69:26
james’s or james matt’s guest
69:29
uh is nicole schultz who is running for
69:32
lieutenant
69:33
governor of pennsylvania uh that’ll be
69:36
right here in muddy waters media on
69:37
thursday
69:38
uh this weekend i am going to be doing
69:41
participating in a sit-in
69:42
for the humane society of north myrtle
69:44
beach which is uh the animal shelter
69:46
where
69:46
i got axel and our other dog zeus and
69:50
all of our shelter dogs we got them from
69:51
there i will be doing the sit in there
69:53
on sunday
69:54
i’ll be live streaming it uh any uh
69:57
donate we’re trying to raise donations
69:58
and funds uh
70:00
they won’t let us out of the kennel we
70:02
actually have to stay there until we
70:03
raise the money it’s we we are being
70:05
detained so uh be sure to help us there
70:07
uh that’s on
70:08
sunday i’ll be live streaming around one
70:10
o’clock um and then
70:12
were you saying something there’s one
70:14
more thing i messed up i forgot to
70:16
promote it
70:16
but on 4 20 with princess rebullet
70:20
i am doing a cooking show about cannabis
70:23
and chemistry and physics okay on 4 20
70:27
yes on 4 20. is in charge
70:32
is that part of the is that part of the
70:33
day long live stream on 420
70:35
yes yes yeah i’ll be a part of that too
70:38
oh cool okay
70:40
anyway i’m giving away all my cooking
70:42
secrets
70:43
and my edibles are different than other
70:45
people’s edibles because
70:46
my mine aren’t sweet they’re tangy so i
70:48
have pop pesto and hempy hummus and
70:50
fun stuff like that oh hempy hummus
70:55
well i have a cbd version too it’s
70:57
non-psychoactive
70:58
spike i love hummus
71:03
me too it’s the best can you have cbd
71:06
is that on your list or i don’t know
71:08
yeah yeah no i can have cbd i can have
71:10
cbd um
71:11
well now now i want to try the hummus
71:13
anyway so uh so uh tune in for 4 20
71:15
we’ll actually both be part of that live
71:17
stream it’s the people for liberty 420
71:18
live stream
71:19
um but so uh then on this coming tuesday
71:22
uh join
71:23
us right back here uh for another
71:25
episode the next episode
71:26
of uh the muddy waters of freedom where
71:28
matt right and i parse through the
71:29
week’s event like the sweet little
71:30
20 20 wonder boys that we are and then
71:33
join me right back here
71:35
next wednesday same spike time same
71:38
spike place
71:39
for another fantasmic episode of
71:42
my fellow americans and in the meantime
71:44
you guys have a great rest of your
71:46
evening
71:46
we will see you very soon thank you
71:48
again for tuning in
71:49
i’m spike cohen and you are the power
71:54
you’re the power i’m spike i’m not the
71:55
power you’re spit you’re the power i’m
71:57
spike going
71:58
you are the power god bless guys
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[Music]
72:20
yay
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[Music]
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[Music]
72:45
[Applause]
72:48
i can’t
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[Music]
72:58
[Music]
73:03
if you slide in my kicks it might fit we
73:06
might just
73:07
unite and come together become hybrid
73:10
at the least slightly like-minded indeed
73:13
the life i’ve lived brings light to
73:15
kindness
73:16
all you need is a sign put a cease to
73:18
the crimes
73:19
put an ease of the minds like mine
73:22
sometimes darkness is all i find
73:24
you know what they say about an eye for
73:26
a night in a time when the blood is a
73:27
blood who am i to deny would cry when a
73:29
loved one dies
73:30
i recognize that
73:41
that’s my sister mother father brother
73:58
is
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[Music]
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tell me why
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[Music]
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[Music]
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will my a change
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you


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