(((My Fellow Americans))) #95: James M. Ray

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i’ll be
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buried in my grave
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before i become a slave yes
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that is
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before i
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we have solely changed
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i’ll be buried in my
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that is
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before i become a
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but it seems like since
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south carolina you’re watching my
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in it than than water supposed to have
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my understanding was it’s is it two
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parts oxygen and one part hydrogen or is
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parts hydrogen no two parts oxygen one
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part hydrogen i believe
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this says it’s 11 hydrogen and 89 oxygen
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so this is gmo water
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it’s delicious though so i’d like to
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thank le blue for this delicious
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unnatural overly oxygenated water full
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of naca
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no i think it’s the opposite i think
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it’s actually light super light water
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because it’s only just
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just oxygen um my uh my guest said my
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ear that
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that maybe it’s heavy water i think it’s
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actually
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i don’t know what it is it tastes good
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i’ve i’ve been drinking it for years and
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have
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not died or grown any anything weird
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well i do have ms
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this is not a good endorsement anyway uh
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i’d like to give a shout out to tehran
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turks’s momentum
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as always folks my guest tonight is
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an absolute i probably i’m never i’m
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gonna not say that
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this water gives me ms because i don’t i
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have no proof of that
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my guest tonight is uh is an incredible
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person who has uh if you’ve heard
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anything about
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nuclear energy specifically thorium
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energy
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from any libertarian more than likely it
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came as a result of some gentle cajoling
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from my next guest
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he is an expert on energy from thorium
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so much so that he is actually the chair
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and founder
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of the libertarian party energy from
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thorium caucus
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he is going to talk to us about this
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absolutely incredible
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uh technology that is available and just
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we aren’t
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able to use it and uh so we’re gonna
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have a talk about that ladies and
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gentlemen
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my fellow americans please welcome to
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the show my guest the amazing and
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talented
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mr james m ray james so much thank you
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so much for coming on
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oh gosh spike thank you so much for
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having me
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thank you for your kindness to me ever
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since i met you actually um
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one of the things that i like to focus
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on or try to focus on
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is some of the kindnesses of
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libertarians that
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i’ve i’ve experienced over the years and
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let me talk about a few of them really
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briefly before we get to thorium because
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this is important
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sure david nolan was one of the founders
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of our party
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and he was so nice to me and he didn’t
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have to be
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i mean he was just so nice to me on
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facebook and there was another guy
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in florida named harry reid and you
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think harry reid you think this [ __ ]
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corrupt
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nevada senator right that’s what i was
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thinking florida
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a florida libertarian and an anarchist
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and a real one and he harry would have
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a party for everyone potluck on the 8th
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18th and 28th of every month at 8pm
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at his house you didn’t have to call you
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just came
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if you didn’t have anything that’s fine
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but generally you you should bring
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food or a drink um he would also have
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the world’s best christmas parties
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the world’s best mayday parties he would
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celebrate
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the demise of socialism before the
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berlin wall
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fell he was so positive about you know
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the victory of free markets
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he would have the best july 4th parties
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ever and when he died of cancer
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he he donated his body to science you
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know and this was totally a hairy thing
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so he was just totally kind um let me
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mention a few other people
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um allison foxhall now fulton
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and sammy brooks and maybe a few others
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and i’m forgetting them and if so i
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apologize
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were kind enough to run for office after
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i pestered them
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allison i’ve i’ve really cajoled her for
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a rather long time but she was a great
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candidate
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and even though we didn’t get a very
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many votes
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we made the bad guys spend two
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two lamborghinis not just one two
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lamborghinis and all we spent was a
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new honda civic basically um i want to
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say one
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one other nice thing before we before we
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get started on um
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thorium you know well matt wright your
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co-host
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yes these hilarious intros and they make
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me laugh every week
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you know especially with the crazy
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preacher and these biden ones and
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they’re just awesome
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but um you know i i could yammer about
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polyface farm
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social security being structural racism
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i’ve got all kinds of ramps that’ll
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drive you nuts
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let’s talk about thorium the reason that
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we
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want thorium for the lp is that it’s
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such a good idea
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that our enemies are going to steal it
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from us and it’s just like cannabis
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we’ve got to let them steal it and then
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let them take credit for it because
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that’s what they did with cannabis
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but as long as we get our way and get
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something like this
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and get the prosperity into the hands of
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people not just
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us because it’s easy to imagine what you
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can do
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if your electric bill is suddenly 20 of
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what it was
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what’s difficult to imagine is what’s
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going to happen
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if we suddenly give the world the free
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pony
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of that much cheaper electricity
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worldwide you know
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there are edisons and teslas and
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einsteins in you know
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africa or asia or god knows where right
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now they can’t even afford to
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you know live practically and if we make
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living a lot more prosperous and a lot
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cheaper for them
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suddenly you know it’s going to be good
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for us their prosperity will benefit
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us in ways that we cannot imagine
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you know because i i’ve lived long
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enough to live
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from when bandwidth was scarce to when
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now i i’m famous for falling asleep on
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wednesday nights actually
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on zoom calls you know and this is what
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i do
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and you know when i was a child we
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vied for long distance minutes with my
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grandmother which who we really loved
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but um energy from thorium is the
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closest thing that we can promise
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to uh our good friend vermin supreme’s
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free pony you said
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tonight right before the show that it’s
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also close to
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zombie power it’s it’s very it is
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very very similar to zombie power before
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we get started on thorium folks
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be sure to comment with your thoughts
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and your questions and james and i will
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tell you
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if you are in fact right or wrong i
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don’t know why that’s showing right
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there but we can fix that
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uh so james before we get started on
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that i just want to ask you what is it
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that
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brought you to libertarianism in the
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libertarian party i mean
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everyone has their either aha moment or
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gradual evolution over time
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everyone’s got their genesis story tell
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us the james m ray genesis story
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i knew in
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elementary school before i was even in
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high school that i didn’t really belong
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you know with other people opinion-wise
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and i tried to get along with them and i
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liked them and all that but i was just
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i knew i was different even even then i
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did i knew i didn’t belong
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you know and so it was it was
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uncomfortable because the lp didn’t even
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exist and when the lp existed i didn’t
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learn about it for
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quite a while you know but i found i
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voted for bergland in 1984
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and dr ron paul with my dad uh in 1988.
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by the way mom and dad both worked for
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nasa so i’m super into space
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and one of the things about thorium
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there’s many benefits to thorium but one
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of the things about thorium is
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plutonium-238
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can be produced easily or more easily
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with um
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liquid fluoride thorium reactors and
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that’s the thing that
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allows us to power the perseverance
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rover and
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the both of the voyagers are are powered
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by
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this stuff it has a like a 98-year
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half-life
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has it has a long 80-something year
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half-life it has a it has a long
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half-life
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and so that’s the the time that it sits
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there being very very hot
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uh temperature wise so nasa can use it
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for these batteries with no moving parts
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and moving parts are a
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big problem in space right of course
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of course so you got into libertarianism
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uh
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very well you knew you always knew there
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was something uh there was something
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different but then you know you found
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the libertarian party later
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we’re glad to have you here now i
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what got you tell us how you first
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found out about thorium and let’s
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actually you know what i think that will
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probably be told
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in explaining what it is in the most
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simple terms pretend that you’re talking
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to a middle-aged jew
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in his guest room who is
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not 100 sure of the science behind this
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break down what energy from thorium is
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and how it differs from the nuclear
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energy that we’re most commonly using
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now
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and then from there we can get into the
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benefits what how what is it and how is
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it different
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okay let me you you were right to ask
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about how i first heard of it because
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that’s kind of
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part of the important part okay
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i was looking through encyclopedias we
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didn’t have the internet back then and
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and so and i was
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you know i i read constantly you know
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and and girls were of course disgusted
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and repulsed by me so i’ve
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pretty much had nothing else to do with
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reid and so i’m reading through this
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encyclopedia
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and there’s this thing about a
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nuclear-powered airplane idea the idea
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for a nuclear-powered airplane
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and the gist of the encyclopedia entry
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and it was about a page and a half or
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something
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said gee this was a [ __ ] crazy idea
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look at these people the
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cold war was really crazy we wanted to
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fly nuclear airplanes around
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with molten nuclear material inside them
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you know
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and airplanes are destined to crash and
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so this is a crazy idea blah blah
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and it didn’t really mention or talk
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about or emphasize
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the new type of reactor and so you know
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we
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we went along but the kind of reactor
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that is used and it’s used because of
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first mover advantage which is
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as a bitcoin user you know is a very
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powerful thing it’s very very powerful
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my eagle days first mover advantage is a
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huge power
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but anyways um when when the
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light water reactor was invented it was
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invented for a very specific
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thing the nuclear navy and they
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use zircon and encapsulated
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material it’s a it’s a uranium oxide
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it’s a ceramic material
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and they don’t really burn up very much
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of the uranium
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but it’s in these in these tubes and it
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gets hot and you have this pressurized
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water
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and then you have this other water that
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you heat and you use that to make steam
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and you have to put it under enormous
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pressure or
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this whole thing doesn’t work well the
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idea with
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nuclear reactors from with thorium that
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okay and the guy who invented it is
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named alvin weinberg
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and he was an absolute genius a huge
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under underreported understated genius
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then he was kind of disenchanted with
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his own
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invention his own idea and he went off
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to oak ridge
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and back then we didn’t really have that
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much communication among our different
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you know facilities and labs there
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wasn’t really that much of an internet
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back then you know the
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email was barely being invented at all
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and stuff like that
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and so different facilities had
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different research focuses
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and oak ridge was focused on molten salt
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but the more politically connected
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place was um fermi lab in in i think
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chicago
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and it was focused on um
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different kinds of reactors some of
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which to me sound very dangerous
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there there are arguments that smarter
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people can
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than me can make for using molten sodium
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but sodium even even in its non-molten
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form if you take a hunk of sodium and
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throw it in a pond
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it explodes you don’t have to light it
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on fire or anything it just blows up and
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um
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those are those are cool youtube videos
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by the way if you if you have kids
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um search for alkali metals there’s
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nothing like them you know
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these are very entertaining chemistry
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experiments but
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you don’t want to do a nuclear reactor
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with them like you don’t want to make a
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reactor out of something that explodes
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easily
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right yeah you want this kind of reactor
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okay
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if it is punctured it’s not under
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pressure
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if it is punctured the salt which is
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gross and
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hot and all that is going to weep out of
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it but it’s going to you know
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go pour out into a drain pan it’s not
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going to really
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you know burn off in a meltdown type of
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scenario there’s nothing really
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flammable about it you know so
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some of the earliest reactors used um
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graphite which has many properties that
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are
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good for reactors but also graphite
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burns and you know chernobyl i mean it’s
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a bad idea but our
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first reactor you know at um
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and the one in chicago i don’t know my
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nuclear history well enough
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i really should learn it better and it’s
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fascinating history
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and um the people who do know it don’t
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know
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all that much about the oak ridge
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history because that was kind of erased
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once we decided okay
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don’t do it then you know they they
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we’re going with this right
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right we don’t want to consider this
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idea and then when people like kirk
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sorensen who’s a hero by the way
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um decided to start considering the idea
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again
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it was weird um you know it was
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why why weren’t we doing this all along
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type of thing and the answer is
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aside from the first mover advantage and
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the you know
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kind of the that kind of thing there’s
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also regulatory capture
22:31
the nuclear regulatory commission which
22:33
is a government agency
22:35
has these bureaucrats in it and the
22:37
bureaucrats want to keep their
22:38
bureaucrat job
22:39
and the bureaucrat job is very safe and
22:41
you know a pretty cushy job they’re
22:42
going to have a nice retirement and all
22:44
that
22:44
they don’t want to risk a new kind of
22:48
reactor
22:49
and there’s you know they go out and and
22:52
have dinner and play golf with these
22:53
reactor guys and all that they
22:55
they know these guys they know these
22:56
guys reactors they know these guys
22:58
are pretty safe normally i mean
23:00
three-mile island happened and all that
23:02
but one of the reasons that we know the
23:04
names of fukushima daiichi and
23:06
three-mile island and chernobyl and all
23:08
that
23:09
is because nuclear accidents are just so
23:10
damn rare you know
23:12
i mean there’s there’s coal and oil
23:14
accidents that just kill
23:16
all the time yeah and so
23:19
you know nuclear gets a bad rap and
23:22
all right this is going to be
23:23
controversial and i don’t really want to
23:25
defend it that much because
23:27
i’m not smart enough but there’s a whole
23:29
idea called radiation hormesis
23:32
okay and i don’t want to say the atomic
23:34
bomb was a good thing or anything like
23:35
that
23:36
but they’re you know we have human
23:38
experiments and not just the atomic
23:39
bombs
23:40
we have there there’s this building that
23:42
they built in taiwan where
23:44
a dude decided hey i know how to make
23:46
cobalt steel really cheap cheaply i can
23:49
take this surplus cobalt 60 and make the
23:51
steel out of that
23:52
and he did and made a whole skyscraper
23:54
and basically he started you know
23:56
irradiating and zapping
23:57
this giant unwinning human trial for
24:00
like a decade before anyone
24:02
found out that this building is hot this
24:04
was in taiwan
24:06
huh i think it was taiwan it turns out
24:08
that people are getting
24:09
lost cancer and it’s such a great you
24:12
know this is one of those
24:13
weird health factoids that only
24:14
libertarians would know like you know
24:16
cigar smokers and pipe smokers actually
24:19
get less
24:20
um live longer they get more cancer but
24:22
they live longer than non-smokers
24:24
because cigar smoking and pipe smoking
24:26
is correlated with wealth
24:27
and poverty sucks enough to kill you
24:31
and you know the the tobacco stats this
24:34
the this is one of those libertarian
24:35
things where
24:36
you have to be a libertarian to know
24:38
this you know the government
24:39
doesn’t trumpet those statistics because
24:42
you know
24:42
why are these people living longer
24:44
they’re doing something unhealthy
24:47
well and and like you said this is the
24:50
nature of of government over
24:53
decentralized voluntary planning
24:55
government planning tends to lean
24:57
towards
24:59
well is there any reason to innovate
25:02
no okay we won’t innovate whereas
25:06
in the for lack of a better word private
25:08
sector or the voluntary or for-profit
25:10
sector
25:11
the people are even non-profits but in
25:13
the voluntary sector
25:14
they have a vested interest in
25:16
innovating because they’re trying to
25:18
create the new innovations that will
25:20
make things better whereas in government
25:22
there’s
25:22
it’s it’s weird when it’s time to uh um
25:26
capitalize on a crisis to exert more
25:28
control they move quickly but when it’s
25:30
time to innovate for the betterment
25:32
of something they move incredibly slowly
25:35
because they don’t make any additional
25:37
money from doing that
25:38
now i want to ask you because before we
25:40
get into um
25:42
it’s even more evil than back though
25:44
spike because i don’t know if you’ve
25:45
heard about price anderson or not have
25:47
you
25:48
i’ve heard of him yeah no no price
25:50
anderson is like a
25:51
it’s a bill i think price was the
25:53
republican in anderson of the democrat
25:55
or something like that oh see i always
25:56
thought price anderson was the actual
25:57
person that introduced it well now i
25:58
know something new but go ahead
26:00
i i could be wrong i’m so ignorant no
26:03
you’re probably right you’re probably
26:04
right
26:04
it’s it’s a protectionist program it it
26:07
it prevents it’s a
26:08
don’t worry about it the taxpayers are
26:10
going to pick up the bill if a disaster
26:12
happens program
26:13
which is exactly the opposite incentive
26:16
that we should be giving these
26:17
executives
26:18
i mean you wonder why matt granting drew
26:20
the simpsons
26:21
like he did and the reason is because he
26:24
was right
26:25
i mean the simpsons is kind of an
26:26
anti-nuclear cartoon even though i love
26:28
him i gotta say you know it’s
26:29
you know homer throwing that glowing
26:31
thing around and all that you know okay
26:33
but he had a point and the point is this
26:36
price anderson thing
26:37
gives the plants incentives
26:40
perverse incentives not to be safer and
26:44
the great thing about a liquid fluoride
26:45
thorium reactor is
26:46
that it uses gravity as the pump let’s
26:48
say everybody dies
26:49
in the whole plant and all the machines
26:52
go off and something bad’s happening
26:53
okay
26:54
there’s this thing at the bottom of the
26:55
reactor that the reactor is this vessel
26:57
full of molten horrible radioactive salt
27:00
there’s this thing at the bottom of the
27:01
reactor that they blow a fan on it’s
27:03
kind of a kink in the pipe that they
27:04
blow a fan on
27:05
that keeps the the reactor full that
27:08
that fan goes off
27:09
the power dies the plug melts
27:12
and suddenly gravity makes the
27:15
the reactor go to a safe mode basically
27:19
and this all happens without any humans
27:21
without any machines without any moving
27:23
parts
27:24
and that’s the key that’s the the
27:25
difference with fukushima daiichi
27:27
because
27:27
fukushima daiichi actually i don’t want
27:30
to call it a success
27:32
but i mean some of those some of those
27:34
generators ran
27:35
for hours underwater which is kind of
27:38
amazing you know i mean
27:39
and very good because you needed the
27:41
especially
27:42
especially in the first few hours you
27:44
needed the cooling because that’s such a
27:45
dangerous type of reactor
27:48
and those reactors they those reactors
27:51
have
27:51
all this fuel that is spent fuel that’s
27:54
not really spent
27:54
that sits around and um everybody should
27:57
watch the five-minute video that will
27:59
explain a lot more than i can
28:00
about this but that’s that fuel is is
28:03
spent fuel for a
28:05
light water reactor but it’s potential
28:07
fuel for
28:08
a liquid fluoride reactor and the safest
28:11
thing to do
28:11
is not to take it anywhere to take a
28:14
reactor
28:15
and build it on top of the fuel you know
28:18
as close to the fuel as possible so
28:20
you’re not taking the risk of
28:22
transporting it to yucca mountain trying
28:24
to bury it
28:25
enormous expense you know and we do so
28:28
many expensive things
28:30
with nuclear it’s ridiculous there’s
28:32
this
28:33
all right i’m going to get back into
28:34
radiation homesis and i probably
28:35
promised i wouldn’t but
28:36
there’s this thing called the linear
28:38
throat no threshold
28:40
hypothesis that says because radiation
28:42
can kill you
28:44
any radiation is bad for you and this is
28:47
not really true
28:48
you know i mean sunburn can give you
28:50
skin cancer and it might yet give me
28:52
skin cancer
28:53
but a little bit of sun is kind of good
28:55
for you gets you vitamin d
28:56
and so they’re the same is true of
28:58
radiation
29:00
a little bit of radiation i think is
29:02
good for you is
29:03
arguably at least not bad for you but i
29:06
am not a doctor
29:07
i am a libertarian ignoramus don’t
29:09
listen to me read it read up on
29:10
radiation hormesis
29:12
okay so on when it comes to thorium
29:17
it’s providing the same amount of energy
29:20
it is
29:20
safer as you said it’s got basically a
29:22
built-in uh
29:24
safety that by the very virtue by the
29:26
very nature of how it works
29:27
if if some natural disaster was to
29:30
happen like a fukushima
29:31
and everyone died or wasn’t able to get
29:34
to it it would simply just naturally go
29:36
out from gravity
29:37
uh also a big part of this and and i
29:40
don’t know the exact number you can tell
29:41
me this
29:42
but my understanding is that the uh
29:45
reactor
29:45
the uh radioactive half-life of the
29:49
of the spent uh thorium is considerably
29:52
lower
29:53
than that of the the other more
29:55
traditional forms that are being used
29:56
used in that correct well it’s it’s kind
30:00
of even better than that i mean
30:01
this is where it starts sounding too
30:02
good to be true because you know
30:04
that the really good stuff that space
30:07
geeks like me
30:08
want is plutonium-238 and if you have
30:11
an only u-233 no u-235 no
30:14
no u-238 reactor you just have thorium
30:17
and u-233
30:19
you could in theory make a whole lot of
30:22
this good stuff the
30:23
the red hot you know for 87 years
30:26
powers the voyagers powers the
30:28
perseverance rovers type of stuff
30:30
and this is good and it also makes
30:33
medical isotopes these um
30:35
oh god i can’t explain this stuff but um
30:39
it’s it binds to a cell a cancer cell
30:43
specifically to a cell
30:45
they take a tiny a microgram of this
30:47
stuff
30:48
and the thing goes and binds to the cell
30:52
and then an alpha particle knocks it out
30:55
and okay
30:56
it’s it i’m not smart enough to explain
30:59
this to people
31:00
but this is so what i can explain is
31:03
abundance i mean we can have
31:05
and oh i forgot okay we can end
31:08
or at least reduce the risk of war
31:10
because
31:11
we can have abundance of fresh water a
31:14
lot of the conflicts
31:15
even in the middle east are not just
31:17
over oil they’re over fresh water
31:19
and fresh water is a problem around here
31:21
actually i’m
31:23
i could talk for hours about hemp for
31:25
water and my cannabis activism
31:27
my god i’ll bore you people to death but
31:29
you know and and we could have fixed the
31:30
problem that’s happening
31:32
right like 20 miles from here 20 years
31:35
ago
31:35
if they had listened to libertarians one
31:38
of the hashtags i’m trying to get
31:39
trending
31:40
is listen to libertarians but nobody
31:43
trends my hashtags you know
31:45
one of my other things i’m famous for
31:47
this actually is i’m trying to
31:48
re-legalize
31:50
190 proof brain alcohol in florida
31:54
and i’m infamous or famous for this you
31:56
know and i don’t know why this is so
31:58
hard because
31:59
to say this i mean i don’t want to get
32:01
randy i’ll i’ll get off topic let’s
32:03
stick with thorium please
32:05
ask me about that sometime okay yeah i i
32:08
definitely will so
32:10
with thorium it is just so i understand
32:13
the
32:13
radioactivity the half-life of it’s
32:15
actually less so you aren’t stuck with
32:17
something like a
32:18
you aren’t stuck with a spent fuel that
32:20
takes
32:21
tens of thousands of years to go inert
32:24
it’s something that’s a matter of
32:25
dozens or hundreds of years and can be
32:27
much more easily used in the meantime
32:29
for like you said like spacex
32:31
exploration and medical uses and things
32:33
like that so this is
32:34
not just better for energy but it’s
32:36
better in every way
32:38
yeah and they could do special reactors
32:41
okay they could have one kind of reactor
32:43
for the space geeks that makes a whole
32:45
bunch of of your plutonium-238
32:47
they could have another kind of reactor
32:49
that’s optimized for just making
32:51
electricity because
32:52
people need electricity right have
32:54
another kind of reactor
32:55
that you know makes say desalinated
32:58
water but also
32:59
really really really wants to burn up
33:01
waste and they could just
33:03
and you and in this kind of reactor you
33:04
can leave the waste forever
33:06
you know and just keep pounding it with
33:08
neutrons over and over and over and you
33:10
know finally things burn up you know
33:12
that
33:12
right the kind of reactors we have right
33:15
now they have to
33:16
switch out the fuel and it’s kind of
33:18
like it’s kind of like sticks in a fire
33:20
or something where you’re
33:21
you know around a campfire after a while
33:23
you have to adjust the sticks to keep
33:24
things burning you know because
33:26
there there’s unburned parts of them
33:27
sticking out there’s burn parts all in
33:29
the middle and so you have to
33:30
you know a nuclear reactor a solid fuel
33:33
nuclear reactor is that way
33:35
that’s why you want to do your chemistry
33:37
in liquids or gases
33:39
and that’s why weinberg you know was for
33:41
this he
33:42
he had a chemistry background as well as
33:44
a physics background
33:45
and the man was a genius man i mean he
33:48
was an example of you know
33:50
politicians being stubborn and not
33:51
listening to the genius guy
33:53
who already invented the other kind that
33:55
he’s dissing he himself is dissing his
33:57
own invention
33:58
and they’re sitting there and not
33:59
listening to him now question
34:02
why do you how much
34:05
of this is that the fact that you know
34:08
you
34:08
mentioned first mover advantage for the
34:10
for you know light and heavy water
34:12
reactors and things like that
34:14
but how much of this is also because
34:16
those other forms of
34:18
of power generation are much better
34:20
suited for
34:21
making nuclear weapons in fact they’re
34:22
actually some of them are actually
34:23
better suited
34:24
for making nuclear weapons than for
34:26
actual power generation
34:28
how much of it is that that this was the
34:31
a
34:31
a dog being wagged by the tail of the
34:34
military industrial complex
34:37
that’s a really good question and i’m
34:39
not the
34:40
greatest person to answer it i know that
34:43
early on
34:44
after nagasaki they you know they were
34:48
trying to
34:49
you know posture to the russians that we
34:51
had lots of nukes
34:53
and the truth was that they didn’t
34:55
really have
34:56
any that they knew would work and they
34:58
didn’t know when they could get some for
35:00
a while you know they were building them
35:02
as fast as they could
35:03
right they had you know they were scared
35:06
that they had very few
35:07
and of course the russians had really
35:10
good spying programs
35:11
inside of our program all the time um
35:14
and and turns out the chinese probably
35:16
do too the chinese didn’t even need to
35:18
spy for
35:19
um energy from thorium stuff kirk’s
35:21
origin just open sourced it
35:22
you know which is good i mean i want the
35:24
chinese to do this because then
35:26
the politicians in the usa will get off
35:28
their asses oh oh
35:29
i i’ve messed up this okay i’m
35:31
scatterbrained tonight spike
35:32
but how i how i first you know heard of
35:35
energy energy from thorium
35:36
was in 2008 because this geeky dude
35:39
asked president obama hey
35:41
why aren’t you doing this thing and so
35:43
rather i’m listening to
35:44
obama you know he didn’t really answer
35:47
but i’m googling this thing
35:49
and this just set me down the rabbit
35:50
hole you know right in 2008
35:52
and so and for a while i was advocating
35:55
for the democrats to do this i wasn’t
35:57
really bothering libertarians with
35:59
energy from thorium stuff that much or
36:00
if i did i was the worst because i would
36:03
like
36:03
link to like an hour and a half long
36:05
video that i liked
36:06
and it turns out that i’m not a very
36:08
normal person and so i like these really
36:10
long
36:11
google tech talks videos right right
36:13
right
36:14
normal people quit listening after three
36:16
minutes of a video the five minute one
36:17
is actually too long
36:19
okay and you know that and the google
36:21
engineers
36:22
have assured us that this is true anyway
36:25
you know i failed to convince the obama
36:27
administration
36:28
from 2008 you know on i i failed to
36:31
convince them
36:32
and then i failed to convince uh trump
36:35
he
36:35
he appointed rick perry who’s kind of a
36:38
doofus but i’m
36:39
i’m for doofus power i’m a doofus too
36:41
you know um
36:42
he appointed rick perry to do it and i
36:44
thought rick was going to do
36:45
better than he did but at least you know
36:48
they they kind of posture to do
36:49
regulation but
36:50
i am excited about ricky dale harrington
36:53
he would have
36:54
executive power as a governor to allow
36:57
all kinds of experimentation i think i
37:00
do not know
37:01
and it would be you know possibly
37:03
dependent on some federal issues who
37:04
knows i’m not a lawyer
37:06
um i would just want to free up this
37:09
kind of of experimentation
37:11
inside the usa because it’s not very
37:13
dangerous
37:14
and here’s what’s going to happen if we
37:15
don’t do it the chinese are going
37:18
the chinese are going to do this you
37:21
know and possibly other countries will
37:23
too
37:23
if i were the iranians i mean i wouldn’t
37:26
care about a nuclear weapon i would care
37:28
about building one of these things
37:30
a liquid fluoride reactor is way way
37:32
more valuable than a nuclear weapon
37:35
well let me ask you this um someone in
37:38
the comments let me find that comment
37:39
actually someone asked
37:41
uh can thorium salt reactors can they
37:45
help burn off nuclear waste from other
37:48
reactors is that is that something
37:49
that’s possible
37:51
absolutely and you can build the the
37:53
molten salt reactor right
37:54
near right on top of almost that’s what
37:57
you were talking about you can build it
37:58
on top of the other one
37:59
you know i was worried about you know if
38:01
you’re if you’re gonna bring it to this
38:03
you know this uh is it that mountain in
38:05
um
38:06
nevada mountain yeah yucca mountain
38:09
that nobody wants you know this to
38:11
happen i mean
38:13
the the residents don’t want it the
38:14
native americans don’t want it nobody
38:16
wants it and yet it’s being done this is
38:19
not the way
38:20
you know we’ve got to do things
38:21
voluntarily and if
38:23
this is suddenly fuel that makes money
38:25
you know
38:26
someone is going to make a reactor on
38:29
top of it and make money
38:31
hopefully and it will actually be safer
38:34
than just leaving it there to to fester
38:36
uh and slowly get its uh you know slowly
38:39
uh uh you know go through it’s it’s
38:41
multi-thousand-year-long half-life you
38:43
can actually utilize it for many years
38:45
and lower its half life in the in the
38:47
interim talk to us about
38:50
specifics as much as you can what is it
38:53
like right now we know that this
38:54
technology works we know that it is
38:56
scalable we know that it’s possible to
38:58
make smaller reactors because of the
39:00
fact that um
39:02
that it doesn’t require this big massive
39:04
facility you can have these smaller
39:05
reactors
39:06
so you can have you know mini and micro
39:08
reactors across the country it’s also
39:10
safer
39:11
you could potentially have large
39:12
vehicles using this uh
39:14
meaning like you know like boats and
39:15
things that are using this for
39:17
commercial applications and airplanes
39:18
and everything else
39:20
what is it that’s actually stopping this
39:22
from happening like if i wanted to go
39:23
out and start making a
39:25
thorium reactor what is actually
39:27
stopping me from being
39:28
being able to do this on a commercial
39:29
scale
39:31
um if you’re in china nothing i think
39:35
i mean when the chinese do this and
39:37
suddenly start making
39:39
the reactor that fits in one or two
39:41
shipping containers
39:42
it is going to change the world and i’m
39:44
not against this you know everyone
39:46
thinks of china as the enemy and all
39:47
that maybe it’s because i have chinese
39:49
family too but i don’t think of them as
39:51
the enemy i want them to be our friends
39:53
i want them to prosper i think them
39:55
prospering will make me prosper
39:57
i’m not a particularly big fan of their
39:59
government but i’m not a big fan of
40:00
our government you know
40:03
that’s true that’s true but so here in
40:05
the us what is it that’s stopping people
40:08
um the nuclear regulatory commission
40:11
would definitely frown upon
40:13
ricky dale harrington saying oh [ __ ] you
40:15
you’re the feds
40:17
but i think ricky dale harrington should
40:18
say that anyway i mean
40:20
he could hire me to go say it you know
40:22
he could hire much more competent people
40:24
than me though
40:26
so this is so basically so the nrc is is
40:29
making this uh prohibitively expensive
40:32
for people to be able to actually be
40:33
able to do this so we’re stuck with
40:36
uh
40:39
permission for new kinds of nuclear
40:41
reactors these days
40:43
there has in fact there hasn’t been a
40:45
new type of nuclear reactor built in
40:47
like
40:47
30 something years right yeah and they
40:50
don’t even do traditional ones you know
40:51
and because of this price anderson
40:53
nonsense
40:54
you know the the traditional ones have a
40:56
cushy insurance
40:58
you know subsidy basically and they’re
41:01
not really
41:02
looking forward to ensuring new types of
41:04
them and i’m saying okay on that i agree
41:07
let’s make warren buffett or somebody
41:09
who’s really really greedy and careful
41:11
ensure these things because you know i
41:13
would ensure something that relies on
41:15
gravity as a pump much
41:16
sooner than i would insure something
41:18
that relies on pumps
41:19
i’ve had headaches with pumps especially
41:22
in motors
41:24
pumps are very prone to failure
41:28
so this is a perfect example of how
41:30
government screws things up right so we
41:32
have
41:32
you know bad regulations lack of
41:36
accountability for crony businesses
41:38
crowding out of of innovation and and
41:41
new disruptive people in a in a space
41:43
because
41:44
that would threaten the market share of
41:45
the people that are in there um
41:47
it also would threaten energy prices so
41:50
there’s also the factor that
41:51
uh if this doesn’t work for big oil uh
41:54
if it
41:55
drives down the price of energy so that
41:57
now oil isn’t an effective and efficient
41:59
way to provide
42:00
energy suddenly big oil is at threat uh
42:02
which actually which hurts the military
42:04
industrial complex two ways they’re
42:06
uh both threatening their their nuclear
42:08
stockpile and their
42:09
their justifications for for uh for
42:12
fossil fuel energy for their
42:14
um military uh expeditionary
42:18
forces and things like that so there’s
42:21
many
42:22
factors of why government is the only
42:25
people
42:25
government and its cronies are the only
42:27
people that do not want this to happen
42:30
but that’s enough they’re the only ones
42:32
who have a say in whether it happens or
42:34
not
42:34
what are the things that you would tell
42:36
people that want to push for
42:38
uh energy from thorium what what are
42:40
some of the things that we can be doing
42:42
in terms of activism in terms of
42:46
you know uh coalition building what’s
42:47
the kind of stuff that people can be
42:48
doing
42:49
to try to get nuclear uh energy from
42:51
thorium
42:52
out there and get more people aware of
42:53
it well first of all if you can
42:56
definitely volunteer for ricky’s
42:58
campaign but also
42:59
i’ve neglected to mention this about
43:01
ricky dale harrington but
43:02
he was so kind to me uh all this
43:04
kindness i get from libertarians it’s
43:06
just
43:07
touching but what he is going to do is
43:10
coming to florida
43:11
and he we must find a libertarian
43:15
at least small l fishing guide to get
43:18
him
43:18
a tarpon a monster tarpon we want a
43:21
photograph of him releasing
43:22
a huge huge tarpon he also
43:26
should get we want him to get some
43:27
grouper for the table some snapper
43:29
something like that
43:31
but definitely a huge tarpon for his
43:34
campaign
43:35
and we want him to come to florida and
43:37
we want him to have the best time of his
43:38
life fishing
43:39
and ultimately all right i’m going to
43:41
say this it’s controversial but
43:43
you know i want him to move to florida
43:45
and i actually want you to move to
43:47
florida and i want all the cohens in
43:49
south carolina to move to florida
43:50
i know i keep saying this but it’s true
43:53
listen i
43:54
i there are there are a handful of
43:56
places that are in the uh
43:57
the offing for potentially uh for us to
44:00
move
44:00
and uh the there are two or three of
44:03
those spots are in florida there’s the
44:05
gulf coast
44:06
there’s the miami area and there’s the
44:08
keys
44:09
uh and my wife also likes the
44:11
jacksonville area so there’s i guess
44:12
technically there’s four
44:13
areas uh in in florida um
44:17
the traffic will make you want to kill
44:18
people that’s what my
44:20
see that’s what she says but martha
44:23
bueno is the greatest by the way
44:24
i mean oh martin is amazing i should say
44:26
that martha bueno is
44:28
so fantastic and i need to meet that
44:31
uncle of hers
44:32
that introduced her that gave us martha
44:35
there’s an uncle that i have yet to meet
44:37
and i have to buy him a drink i have to
44:39
buy him dinner
44:41
well we can we can we can crowdsource
44:43
that we can all buy him dinner um
44:45
i you know i i like i have to say i’m
44:47
partial to miami but only because i get
44:49
to have a day off there during the
44:50
campaign
44:51
uh but my wife had to deal with the
44:52
traffic and she said i would hate the
44:54
traffic so i i think
44:55
is is the is the tampa bay area that’s
44:57
better on traffic
45:00
every every place in florida is better
45:01
on traffic than miami
45:03
i mean i i don’t even want to describe
45:05
that you know we what we need
45:07
for traffic problems is drones we need
45:11
electric drones you know
45:13
with robots i don’t want drinking and
45:16
driving to be
45:17
even a problem anymore i want to be able
45:18
to be kicking ass drunk
45:21
and some drone from uber just comes and
45:24
takes me where i want to go
45:26
without any traffic or delays or any of
45:29
that stuff so we could spend
45:31
you have like 15 different pet projects
45:33
that you’re trying to
45:34
better society with through sheer force
45:36
of will
45:37
i we have to hyper focus on thorium so
45:40
that we won’t be here until two in the
45:41
morning
45:42
no no that’s good no you’re right no all
45:44
of your ideas are great
45:45
we just you know we have limited time so
45:47
getting to thorium
45:49
um one uh amazing thing
45:52
about thorium besides the fact that it
45:55
is
45:56
safer and cheaper and cleaner than even
45:58
the current existing
45:59
nuclear used nuclear technologies which
46:02
are themselves
46:03
safer and cleaner and and and and
46:05
cheaper than
46:06
pretty much any other form of
46:08
sustainable form of energy
46:10
um but one of the really cool things
46:11
about thorium
46:13
is that it allows us to build towards
46:17
the future in a couple different ways
46:18
by driving down the price of energy if
46:21
the price of energy you remove one
46:22
or two zeros from the cost of the price
46:25
of energy
46:26
then suddenly you’ve got you know all of
46:28
the innovations that come from that
46:30
two specific ones i want to talk about
46:32
is how it can be used
46:33
to build the next uh to to work towards
46:36
the next generation of energy production
46:39
and also innovations for things like uh
46:43
innovating for fixing things with
46:45
climate change can you talk about those
46:46
two things
46:48
yeah um really if electricity gets cheap
46:51
enough
46:52
then co2 turns from a pollutant to a
46:55
resource
46:57
you know instantly there’s a price point
47:00
and i don’t know exactly where it is
47:02
but i’m certain that if my electric bill
47:04
goes down to 20
47:05
of what it was tomorrow that’s one of
47:08
the effects you know co2
47:10
you know greta thundberg will have to
47:11
find something else to
47:13
you know be upset about i’m certain
47:17
i’m certain she and her time so find
47:19
something no we’ll find something for
47:20
greta
47:21
but but when you say that it would make
47:23
co2 into a into a resource
47:26
how exactly would that happen there are
47:29
all you have to do is have cheap enough
47:31
electricity
47:32
to split hydrogen and oxygen and then
47:35
you have the hydro part
47:36
and co2 is the carbon part you have
47:38
these there are machines that will suck
47:40
co2 out of the air
47:41
you combine them with some power you
47:43
know cheap power now
47:45
and you have a liquid fuel with no
47:48
drilling
47:49
with no overseas wars with no tankers
47:52
with no
47:52
various no costs you know you have some
47:55
costs
47:55
zapping it into existence out of thin
47:58
air right is obviously going to be a
47:59
cost
48:00
but you know compared to having wars i
48:02
don’t think it’s much of a cost
48:04
and you know that’s that’s the thing war
48:06
pollutes everybody talks about pollution
48:08
and they yep all the hand-wringing about
48:11
bitcoin especially when the price gets
48:13
going nuts the hand-wringing about
48:15
bitcoin goes nuts
48:16
and nobody talks about the pollution of
48:19
war and
48:20
war is the most polluting thing i mean
48:23
humans are terrible
48:24
and on that subject okay now that i’ve
48:26
yammered long enough that nobody’s
48:27
listening to this thing anyway
48:28
let’s talk about the very end of that
48:30
five-minute video people are
48:32
first of all people are still listening
48:33
i just want to note that but go ahead
48:36
all right but the very end of that five
48:39
minute video
48:40
you know kirk sorensen said people had
48:42
had slaves for thousands of years
48:43
and when we harnessed carbon as our
48:45
slaves suddenly we were able to
48:47
to become human beings to our each other
48:49
or at least try to
48:51
okay and we knew that about
48:54
you know oil companies saving the whales
48:57
or something
48:58
but we didn’t i didn’t know it really
49:00
about you know
49:01
that you know it’s not that our war our
49:04
our war was a better war and that ended
49:07
slavery you know
49:08
what ended slavery was technology and so
49:11
this is vitally important technology can
49:14
end the rest of the slavery that people
49:17
have
49:17
you know instituted i know that this
49:20
sounds far-fetched
49:21
to some people you know and maybe it is
49:24
but i’m i’m
49:25
i’m certain i’m convinced that there are
49:27
benefits
49:28
that we will have if this happens that
49:31
we can’t imagine
49:32
you know it’s easy to imagine that the
49:35
you know cheaper electric bill stuff
49:36
but the unimaginable benefits that’s the
49:39
key
49:40
the prosperity for other people you know
49:42
the there are
49:43
there are such cool people in this
49:45
movement not just ricky dale harrington
49:47
um caitlin cloven she volunteered
49:51
i mean i have just such the coolest
49:54
people
49:55
in this you know it just it’s the
49:57
greatest
49:59
and thank you for doing this show oh of
50:01
course i
50:02
listen man i love you i’m i’m glad to
50:04
give you a platform for it but i i want
50:05
to so
50:06
when you’re talking about pulling the
50:08
the carbon out you’re literally talking
50:10
about technology that exists now but
50:12
it’s just too cost prohibitive to do it
50:14
on a mass scale
50:15
but if you could reduce the cost of the
50:17
energy you take a couple zeros off the
50:19
cost of the energy
50:20
now the the technology to literally pull
50:23
the carbon
50:23
out of the air and to combine it with
50:25
hydrogen to make a
50:27
a liter liquid fuel uh hydrogen and
50:29
oxygen to make a burn a usable liquid
50:32
fuel
50:32
now not only are you creating a source
50:34
of energy but you’re also
50:36
literally pulling the carbon out of the
50:38
uh out of the air
50:39
and reducing reducing actually
50:42
remediating the greenhouse gas effect
50:45
that’s my understanding of it that’s
50:47
incredible that is incredible and then
50:49
of course
50:50
any generation of uh energy any any
50:54
any creation of a new form of of
50:55
electricity or new form of energy
50:57
production like for example
50:59
nuclear fusion which we’ve i mean i i
51:02
remember when they were
51:03
saying when i was a kid that that was 10
51:05
15 20 years away
51:06
i’m now 38 they’re telling me it’s 10 15
51:09
20 years away
51:10
i’m told that when other people were in
51:12
their 20s and 30s back in the 70s and
51:15
80s
51:15
they were told that it was 10 15 20
51:17
years away it seems to perpetually be 10
51:19
15 20 years away and a big
51:21
reason for that is because with all of
51:23
the innovation that
51:24
has been happening they keep discovering
51:26
that there’s even more stuff that they
51:28
didn’t even know that they needed to
51:29
know
51:30
by reducing the cost of energy again
51:32
taking exponentially reducing the cost
51:34
of energy
51:35
that allows what’s happening to happen
51:38
exponentially
51:39
faster because there’s a cost built in
51:41
to all of this innovation that that
51:43
happens not just in energy but in
51:45
anything
51:45
so what you’re talking about is we can
51:48
talk about
51:49
oh wow my energy bill is that much less
51:51
that’s much that that’s more money i can
51:53
spend
51:53
at the shop or whatever but what we’re
51:56
not thinking about and it’s hard to even
51:58
calculate
51:59
is what that actually looks like to
52:00
society what
52:02
innovations being able to happen
52:04
exponentially faster because they’re
52:05
exponentially cheaper
52:07
looks like what communities that right
52:09
now cannot afford
52:11
energy uh being able to afford energy
52:14
and mass energy because it’s actually
52:17
been brought down to their
52:18
level then being able to prosper you
52:20
know the developing nations now being
52:21
able to develop so much faster
52:23
not at the expense of us but at the
52:25
expense of
52:26
of big oil and the and the you know the
52:29
energy cartels that exist right now
52:31
um when you see also
52:34
water i mean it’s so vital to have water
52:37
and this will give everyone clean water
52:40
and we can we can clean up florida’s
52:42
aquifers you know right now
52:44
they’re pumping some of this horrible
52:46
mess
52:47
yeah you know and then they’ve pumped
52:50
sewage down there they do all kinds of
52:52
crazy things
52:53
and the government in this state just
52:57
drives me crazy sometimes with what they
52:58
do to water
52:59
but we if we had abundant cheap water
53:02
maybe they wouldn’t do such stupid
53:04
things
53:07
their stupid things would be less
53:09
impactful on our lives so what james is
53:11
talking about if you don’t know in
53:12
in tampa bay there are these giant i
53:15
forget the names of them but they’re
53:16
these giant basically retention ponds
53:18
of phosphorated water that are filled
53:21
with basically toxic sludge and they’ve
53:23
been sitting there for decades
53:25
they’re just waiting for them to
53:26
evaporate slowly over time
53:28
there’s no way that hurts the the air
53:30
quality by by any means but anyway
53:31
they’ve been just letting it sit there
53:33
not really sure what to do with it
53:34
and they just found out a couple days
53:35
ago that uh that one of the wells is
53:37
falling apart
53:38
uh or one of the ponds uh the walls are
53:40
falling apart and there is a very real
53:42
threat in certain parts by the way are
53:44
you in this part of tampa bay that’s
53:45
that they’re doing the evacuation orders
53:48
no but my friend als patient
53:51
and cannabis activist kathy jordan is
53:54
what was in the evacuation zone they
53:56
didn’t have to evacuate her but it’s
53:58
actually worse than what you were saying
53:59
spike
54:00
yeah because they have been ignoring
54:03
the the hemp for water idea there’s a
54:06
group
54:06
hemp the numeral for water that’s been
54:08
trying to you know
54:10
use the the hemp plant to clean up the
54:13
everglades and not just these
54:14
you know crappy phosphate ponds which
54:16
are going to be hard to clean up because
54:17
they’re very acidic
54:18
but all the water heading down into the
54:21
everglades
54:22
has way too much nitrogen and hemp is
54:25
the
54:25
plant kingdom’s champion at pulling
54:28
nitrogen out of the
54:29
out of the water and the thing is for 20
54:31
years these
54:33
idiots have been telling me oh you just
54:35
want that because you want to get stoned
54:37
you know and acting like i don’t even
54:39
care about florida’s environment
54:40
when i’m the only person i know who has
54:42
been water self-sufficient
54:44
for a period i’m not anymore um in
54:47
florida that i know on rain
54:49
and you know that it’s just it’s nuts
54:51
it’s hypocritical our enemies are
54:53
terrible people sometimes they’re really
54:55
you know drive me nuts
54:58
so yeah no and i mean it’s it’s a huge
55:00
problem and it’s this is a perfect
55:02
example of what happens when the actors
55:04
that created this nonsense aren’t held
55:05
accountable and it’s left to the state
55:07
and the taxpayer to deal with it and you
55:09
end up with giant retention ponds filled
55:10
with sludge
55:11
that are slowly disintegrating so that
55:13
eventually uh
55:14
they described it as a potential 20-foot
55:16
tall tsunami
55:18
of sludge hitting entire neighborhoods
55:20
uh on the i believe
55:21
southeast part of tampa bay but uh
55:24
this is what happens when government’s
55:26
in charge when we get government out of
55:27
the way
55:28
and we allow uh innovators to do what
55:30
they do and to innovate
55:31
you could end up with your your you know
55:33
energy bill being
55:34
i mean just for people out there that
55:36
are spending let’s say two 300 bucks
55:38
uh or even 400 bucks a month on uh
55:41
on electricity or if they’re up north
55:44
and or in an area with
55:45
natural gas maybe a combination of
55:47
electricity and natural gas so you’re
55:48
spending thousands of dollars
55:50
imagine if it was tens of dollars
55:52
imagine if the cost of energy went down
55:54
so much
55:55
that instead of spending five
55:58
thousand bucks a year on energy or maybe
56:00
ten thousand depending on your household
56:02
thousands of dollars a year take the
56:04
first two
56:05
zeros off of that now you’re spending
56:07
tens of dollars
56:08
a year on energy now it’s a nuisance fee
56:11
now it’s not
56:12
it’s less than what you’re paying for
56:14
phone and internet
56:16
oh and your phone and internet cost goes
56:17
down too because they also all their
56:19
bills go down
56:20
and everything that you use the price
56:22
goes down
56:23
because their costs go down and their
56:25
profits go up their profits go up their
56:27
costs go down they’re able to filter
56:28
those profits
56:29
into research and development so that
56:32
now new innovations can happen
56:34
quite faster and more efficiently
56:37
because their costs are down and their
56:39
access to energy is higher
56:40
that’s how you get that next generation
56:42
of societal benefits that comes from
56:44
innovation
56:44
and all we have to do you can correct me
56:46
if i’m wrong james all we have to do
56:48
is just have government let us do it
56:51
instead of trying to impose something
56:53
that we don’t want on us exactly and
56:57
that’s why
56:58
it’s so important for us to get behind
57:00
good politicians like ricky dale
57:02
harrington
57:03
and support him in his work i’m i really
57:06
you know i wish we could have done more
57:08
to help him in his other campaign
57:09
against this tom cotton
57:11
dude because now we’re seeing the
57:12
results of that you know tom cotton is
57:14
an idiot
57:15
and we could have we could have a voice
57:17
of reason up there in the senate
57:19
you know if we had somehow i don’t know
57:21
i guess it would have taken more money
57:22
probably wouldn’t take a fooling
57:24
continent actually debating him
57:26
because he’s that’s what it would have
57:27
taken
57:29
it sounds like let me tell you something
57:30
if i’m a rioting prison inmate
57:33
if i hear his voice i’m gonna i’m gonna
57:35
quit beating the guard and listen to him
57:37
you know he’s got a voice
57:39
i mean oh ricky ricky is incredible so i
57:42
did an event with ricky
57:44
harrington in arkansas last year and i
57:46
i’ve spoken on the phone with him a few
57:47
he’s a friend of mine
57:49
um i went to an event with him
57:52
and i spoke uh at a uh a forum that we
57:54
had outside
57:55
uh with uh about um because this was
57:58
during you know lockdowns and and
58:00
everything and you know everything had
58:01
to be outside
58:02
it wasn’t it was for the weather was in
58:03
the 40s i was not dressed for that
58:05
and i’m also not from places where it’s
58:07
common for
58:08
for the the temperatures to be in the
58:10
40s and i’m doing this
58:11
uh this um criminal justice reform forum
58:15
outside with uh ricky dale harrington
58:17
and another guy by the name of phil
58:19
fletcher
58:20
uh who is uh a uh a homeless uh a
58:23
homeless and previously incarcerated
58:25
activist and advocate uh he’s also
58:27
building he’s an incredi you should talk
58:29
with him
58:29
you guys would love each other he’s
58:30
building uh uh he’s working on building
58:33
a uh
58:33
a a tiny home community for uh the
58:36
previously homeless
58:38
um but anyway so we’re having this
58:39
conversation and i’m freezing i feel
58:41
like i’m freezing to death slowly
58:43
um and honestly if i had continued to
58:45
stay out there i would have died at some
58:47
point it probably would have taken
58:48
at least another hour but i’m sitting
58:49
out there and i’m thinking
58:51
this is what it’s like for your body to
58:52
shut down slowly and yet anytime that
58:55
ricky talked
58:56
i felt at total peace with what was
58:58
happening i thought
58:59
if i’m gonna die then i’ll die here
59:01
sitting a few feet from ricky while he’s
59:03
explaining how we’re going to solve the
59:04
world’s ill he just has such a calming
59:06
effect and uh yeah no tom cotton
59:09
he was a coward to not debate ricky but
59:11
he was also smart the dumbest thing he
59:13
could have done was to be standing
59:15
in direct contrast to ricky harrington
59:17
you know ricky harrington
59:18
on a shoestring budget uh was able to
59:21
get you know 30 what 34
59:24
of the vote uh in a two-way race against
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a very very well-funded and well-known
59:28
republican who is on the short list of
59:31
republicans who are going to run for for
59:32
the presidential nomination in the
59:34
future
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he did incredibly well and uh anything
59:36
we can do to help him in the future
59:38
would would be very very helpful and
59:39
i’m glad to hear that he signed on to
59:41
this because i really do believe
59:43
um that thorium is
59:46
the at least for now the best chance we
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have
59:49
to have the cleanest and most affordable
59:52
and most efficient and most
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uh carbon neutral and and not just
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carbon neutral
59:57
net negative carbon which you can factor
60:00
in the technologies that can foster
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um form of energy that we have until we
60:04
get to
60:06
um fusion and those types of things and
60:08
frankly i think that the only way we can
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even that we can get to fusion
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in our lifetime or even in the lifetime
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of of you know
60:15
kids right now is through thorium and
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the the innovation boost that it will
60:20
provide
60:21
yeah fission’s the first step we’ve got
60:23
to do that i mean i
60:24
i love the idea of speculating about
60:26
fusion but you know
60:28
i’ll speculate about anything that that
60:30
mars
60:31
helicopter you know nasa is driving me
60:33
crazy by saying they only want to use it
60:35
five times
60:36
i say fly the damn thing into the dirt
60:39
my goodness
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we’ve got why are you saving it for yeah
60:42
what are you saving this drone for it’s
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in mars
60:45
i mean they’re planning only five
60:48
missions you know
60:49
it’s like the nasa wants to drive me
60:52
crazy i’m convinced you know they’ve
60:53
you know they have various ways of doing
60:55
it they’re you know it’s it’s like
60:57
let’s see what we can do to have the
60:58
experiment on him you know
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well we want we want to stop them from
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doing that but um
61:04
listen james you are incredible and you
61:07
have done a fantastic job explaining uh
61:10
why thorium is the future forward and
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more than
61:13
more important than the fact that you’re
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explaining it as i said before my
61:17
introduction to you
61:18
every time i hear a libertarian
61:22
not just within the party but just in
61:23
the libertarian sphere
61:25
talk about energy from thorium and i
61:28
hear them say the exact same things that
61:29
i’ve said
61:30
the exact same things that they’ve heard
61:31
from that i’ve heard from you
61:33
without fail i say i wonder if james ray
61:36
was behind this
61:36
and without fail i find out yes you were
61:39
either directly or indirectly behind
61:40
this person now talking about energy
61:42
from thorium
61:43
so the work that you’re doing within the
61:44
movement uh cannot be measured
61:47
um and you know when libertarians are
61:49
able to
61:50
uh you know you want to talk about
61:52
having a having a
61:54
niche in market uh to you know we’re the
61:56
only ones talking about this
61:58
and when we are able to use this and
62:00
other things to propel ourselves into
62:01
office and actually get this stuff done
62:03
it’s going to be in large part to the
62:04
work that you laid down so i am very
62:06
grateful to you for doing that through
62:08
my credit though tom woods
62:09
you know i pestered tom woods into doing
62:11
a show and actually
62:13
for the record by the way tom woods
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should actually have an energy from
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thorium week
62:17
he should have kirk sorensen on for a
62:18
whole week like i’m not satisfied with
62:21
one tom woods show anymore
62:22
i want a tom woods week of shows on
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energy from thorium
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and and tom knows that and eventually i
62:28
might test my way
62:30
he has to fill a show a day you know i
62:33
i do shows when i feel like it you know
62:35
you have a much i do them once a week
62:37
and he tom does one every day so he
62:39
could definitely he he needs to fill it
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but
62:41
it’s going to be because of the work
62:42
that you’ve done that uh that allows
62:44
that to happen
62:45
now james before i let you go i want to
62:47
give you the floor give you a chance to
62:49
say anything that you didn’t get a
62:50
chance to say
62:51
about thorium or anything else i know
62:52
you’ve got many different projects
62:54
you’re working on so you can talk about
62:55
it
62:56
tell people how they can continue to uh
62:58
to stay in touch with you
62:59
for as long as you need james m ray
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the floor is yours okay
63:05
i’m on facebook as james m ray until i
63:10
get kicked off i’m on twitter as james
63:12
milton ray
63:14
james milton ray just all all one word
63:17
um
63:17
i’m on various other media like we
63:20
should be on float
63:21
you know i feel guilty because i i saw
63:23
your show about float and
63:25
and we should be on that and and the
63:27
cooler ones and eventually
63:28
facebook will finally kick me off but
63:30
you know all my high school boomer
63:32
friends on facebook
63:33
but thank you so much for your kindness
63:36
oh of course i’d like to thank all the
63:37
libertarians for
63:39
all of their kindness that they’ve shown
63:40
me over the years not just on this
63:42
subject but on a lot of subjects you
63:44
know the movement
63:46
kind of runs on kindness in the end
63:49
although it doesn’t seem that way
63:50
sometimes when we’re all fractious with
63:51
each other but
63:52
you know our our enemies
63:55
are scared of us and they’re scared of
63:58
us for a reason
63:59
you know we have unimaginable good on
64:01
our side
64:03
and these people that that we have are
64:06
the coolest libertarians
64:07
in the movement you know and the waffle
64:09
house caucus i’ll give you that
64:12
oh no the world this party
64:15
let’s be clear i don’t want to take from
64:16
your floor i’ll give you the floor back
64:18
shortly
64:18
this party will not advance without the
64:21
waffle house caucus let’s be very clear
64:22
about that sorry go ahead
64:24
and i love the waffle house caucus by
64:26
the way i believe
64:27
okay i know nothing about this but i
64:29
never know anything until they do it
64:31
but i believe that one of the lpf um
64:34
events will be catered by the waffle
64:35
house or catered from a waffle house or
64:38
something like that i don’t know but
64:39
it’s going to be it’s going to be great
64:41
fun
64:41
and we have such great people mark
64:44
tanser who who
64:45
is our our roots to our past because
64:48
everybody’s focused on bitcoin but we
64:49
also
64:50
have a past in the precious metals
64:52
industry
64:53
and gold and silver is very important
64:55
you know our
64:56
our history the the old coins and stuff
64:58
like that are just very important
65:00
we have other people you know stephen
65:01
decaylia has done
65:03
enormous work and it’s mostly you know
65:06
uncredited and um you know the other
65:09
people in the party
65:10
i mean i i can’t even stand their phone
65:12
calls i may be able to stand their phone
65:14
calls again i don’t know
65:15
i couldn’t stand them for a while that’s
65:17
for sure but you know i’m not really
65:19
good with the inner imaginations of
65:21
parties i’m good with
65:22
you know just going out and doing things
65:24
on my own sometimes they work like
65:26
energy for thorium stuff sometimes they
65:29
don’t really work like my
65:30
give us back 190 proof booze stuff
65:34
but you know i have these different
65:35
advocacy things and it
65:37
you know if you want something done in
65:39
this movement you basically have to
65:41
work to do it yourself you know and if
65:44
you’re right and if you’re doing good
65:45
things then
65:46
other people will join on and hopefully
65:48
the energy from thorium caucus i mean
65:50
right now
65:50
i i looked and i guess i’m the leader
65:54
we don’t really have any rules or
65:55
anything and so i’m afraid like
65:57
like most of my groups like the sarasota
65:58
libertarians it’s an anarchy again
66:00
and i’m not that much of an anarchist i
66:03
i’m sort of
66:04
you know into some structure aren’t i
66:08
i don’t know well i mean you can have
66:09
voluntary structure right that’s what it
66:11
that’s what it is but
66:12
yeah i mean you are the if if there is a
66:14
if there is a hierarchy
66:16
of the uh of any hierarchy in the lp
66:19
energy from thorium caucus you were
66:20
clearly at the top of it
66:22
but so james m ray on facebook
66:25
and jane at james milton ray on twitter
66:29
and again keep going you say what you
66:31
need
66:32
i’m one of the few people that is
66:33
actually followed by the spike cohen
66:36
so i feel i feel very proud of that and
66:38
yeah officially
66:40
by the way let me say something about
66:42
comedy okay
66:43
all right first of all the funniest
66:44
thing i have ever heard
66:46
about you is from your wife saying that
66:48
you’re not funny
66:50
because that is hilarious okay spike
66:52
cohen is the funniest candidate we have
66:54
ever run
66:55
and so was vermin supreme you know i was
66:57
a supporter in the end
66:59
and i love vermin okay i i’m so glad
67:02
that he’s
67:03
still active in the party and he’s he’s
67:05
doing the right thing okay
67:06
he’s getting things done with the vermin
67:08
supreme institute he’s not
67:10
you know arguing with the rest of the
67:11
party about what they should do or
67:13
whatever
67:13
he is helping people with his skin
67:15
institute i am trying to do the same
67:17
kind of thing you know because
67:19
to the extent that i’m inside the party
67:21
you know
67:22
i end up infuriating people even when i
67:24
don’t mean to infuriate people i
67:25
infuriate them you know
67:26
and i definitely mean to infuriate the
67:28
democrats and republicans but i don’t
67:30
want to be known
67:31
for just being infuriating because you
67:34
know
67:34
i remember harry reid for you know how
67:37
how loving and kind he was and i want to
67:39
be right
67:40
remembered for being kind and loving too
67:41
you know
67:43
well you definitely don’t infuriate me
67:45
so you got that going for you
67:47
you do have me following you and you
67:48
guys should be following them too james
67:50
m ray on facebook
67:51
at james milton m-i-l-t-o-n ray
67:55
uh on twitter and uh the lp energy from
67:58
thorium caucus facebook group
68:01
um and then you’ve got like 600 other
68:03
facebook groups too but you start with
68:04
the thorium
68:05
caucus uh the energy from thorium caucus
68:07
and then he’ll he’ll
68:08
he’ll he’ll repeal you into all the
68:10
other caucuses as well
68:12
uh but so one more thing though you are
68:15
the power
68:16
no i’m not no no no i’m spike cohen
68:19
you are the power i say that that’s
68:21
that’s not i’m not the one person who’s
68:23
not there’s the venn diagram
68:25
the process of elimination you must be
68:26
the power no i’m just
68:28
going so the the venn diagram is a tiny
68:31
dot that says spike cohen
68:33
and this giant circle that says the
68:36
power and that’s everyone else
68:37
and they don’t touch there is zero
68:39
overlap james
68:40
i love you thank you so much for coming
68:42
on you were great stick around we’re
68:44
gonna talk during the uh during the
68:45
outro
68:46
but folks thank you guys so much for
68:48
tuning in to this episode of
68:50
my fellow americans i hope that you were
68:52
as uh
68:53
um illuminated and educated on
68:56
this uh issue as as i have been i think
68:58
it’s incredible and you should find out
69:00
more
69:00
so be sure to follow james and the
69:02
libertarian party thorium
69:04
energy from thorium caucus uh tomorrow
69:07
night is the writer’s block
69:11
and i don’t know who matt’s guest is so
69:14
i gotta look that up right now
69:16
matt’s guest you’re not gonna believe
69:17
who matt’s guest is neither was i
69:19
because where
69:22
is it here we go writer’s block uh
69:26
james’s or james matt’s guest
69:29
uh is nicole schultz who is running for
69:32
lieutenant
69:33
governor of pennsylvania uh that’ll be
69:36
right here in muddy waters media on
69:37
thursday
69:38
uh this weekend i am going to be doing
69:41
participating in a sit-in
69:42
for the humane society of north myrtle
69:44
beach which is uh the animal shelter
69:46
where
69:46
i got axel and our other dog zeus and
69:50
all of our shelter dogs we got them from
69:51
there i will be doing the sit in there
69:53
on sunday
69:54
i’ll be live streaming it uh any uh
69:57
donate we’re trying to raise donations
69:58
and funds uh
70:00
they won’t let us out of the kennel we
70:02
actually have to stay there until we
70:03
raise the money it’s we we are being
70:05
detained so uh be sure to help us there
70:07
uh that’s on
70:08
sunday i’ll be live streaming around one
70:10
o’clock um and then
70:12
were you saying something there’s one
70:14
more thing i messed up i forgot to
70:16
promote it
70:16
but on 4 20 with princess rebullet
70:20
i am doing a cooking show about cannabis
70:23
and chemistry and physics okay on 4 20
70:27
yes on 4 20. is in charge
70:32
is that part of the is that part of the
70:33
day long live stream on 420
70:35
yes yes yeah i’ll be a part of that too
70:38
oh cool okay
70:40
anyway i’m giving away all my cooking
70:42
secrets
70:43
and my edibles are different than other
70:45
people’s edibles because
70:46
my mine aren’t sweet they’re tangy so i
70:48
have pop pesto and hempy hummus and
70:50
fun stuff like that oh hempy hummus
70:55
well i have a cbd version too it’s
70:57
non-psychoactive
70:58
spike i love hummus
71:03
me too it’s the best can you have cbd
71:06
is that on your list or i don’t know
71:08
yeah yeah no i can have cbd i can have
71:10
cbd um
71:11
well now now i want to try the hummus
71:13
anyway so uh so uh tune in for 4 20
71:15
we’ll actually both be part of that live
71:17
stream it’s the people for liberty 420
71:18
live stream
71:19
um but so uh then on this coming tuesday
71:22
uh join
71:23
us right back here uh for another
71:25
episode the next episode
71:26
of uh the muddy waters of freedom where
71:28
matt right and i parse through the
71:29
week’s event like the sweet little
71:30
20 20 wonder boys that we are and then
71:33
join me right back here
71:35
next wednesday same spike time same
71:38
spike place
71:39
for another fantasmic episode of
71:42
my fellow americans and in the meantime
71:44
you guys have a great rest of your
71:46
evening
71:46
we will see you very soon thank you
71:48
again for tuning in
71:49
i’m spike cohen and you are the power
71:54
you’re the power i’m spike i’m not the
71:55
power you’re spit you’re the power i’m
71:57
spike going
71:58
you are the power god bless guys
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yay
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[Applause]
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i can’t
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[Music]
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if you slide in my kicks it might fit we
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might just
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unite and come together become hybrid
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at the least slightly like-minded indeed
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the life i’ve lived brings light to
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kindness
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all you need is a sign put a cease to
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the crimes
73:19
put an ease of the minds like mine
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sometimes darkness is all i find
73:24
you know what they say about an eye for
73:26
a night in a time when the blood is a
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blood who am i to deny would cry when a
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loved one dies
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i recognize that
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that’s my sister mother father brother
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is
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tell me why
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will my a change
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you