(((My Fellow Americans))) #60: Hey Kids! Wash Your Hands With Spike

Spike had an awesome trip to the Tennessee and Georgia Libertarian Party Conventions, and he has a lot of updates to share with you. From Kim Ruff's SHOCK resignation and endorsement of Spike, to Team Supreme's New Hampshire Primary win, to the Georgia Debate, and everything in between, Spike is going to give all the details of his fortnight on the campaign trail. He'll also take your questions and calls.


About This Episode

Spike’s BACK, and he’s here to talk about Team Supreme’s campaign updates, including Spike’s Pound The Pavement Tour of UNC Greensboro. He’s also going to start his series of talking about the LP platform and what it means, and really just encourage you to wash your hands a lot. Like, why weren’t y’all already doing that?

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like three weeks or something like that
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and boy have I missed all of you it has
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been absolutely amazing campaigning
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getting over possibly the corona virus I
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think I just had the flu but I was
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really sick for like three weeks that
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was a lot of two weeks that was a lot of
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a lot of fun all my episodes are fun but
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this episode this episode makes all
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those other episodes look like garbage
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I shouldn’t say that I shouldn’t say
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that all of my episodes are equally
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amazing except for this one which is
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just a little bit better a little bit
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better just slightly better and ya know
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this is gonna be a good episode we’re
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gonna talk about the updates to the
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Furman supreme spike komen campaign let
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me show you that graphic again because
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who doesn’t love that crap
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who doesn’t love this more of this we’re
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gonna show you some updates to that
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including my recent pound the pavement
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event tour of the of UNC Greensboro and
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also and we’re gonna go through some of
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the we’re gonna start a thing where
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we’re going to talk about the
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libertarian platform I get asked a lot
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well ok great
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the zombies and the ponies and and the
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the toothbrushing and all that that’s
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awesome but like what about what do you
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actually think about things and the
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answer is we’re libertarians and we
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believe in libertarianism and people ask
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what does that mean and I gave a short
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answer about self ownership and things
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like that but I’ve been asked like well
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what do you think about X what do you
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think about Y possibly what do you even
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think about Z or Zed if you’re Canadian
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and so I figured I would get into get
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into that with this episode and start
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talking about and what I’m going to do
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is actually go through the platform and
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the Libertarian Party platform bit by
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bit show what they have to say about it
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and then explain what we have what we
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think about that and what that actually
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means because it’s great for me to read
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off a paragraph and say that’s what I
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think and then if you say yeah but what
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does that mean and I go well let me read
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it again that’s kind of pointless so I’m
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actually gonna go through what I think
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about that I’ll be taking any questions
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anyone has and any questions anyone has
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I might actually I might actually turn
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on the phone calls if I get feedback in
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the comments that you guys want to make
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some phone calls then I will turn that
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on but yeah so let’s get started
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we had a an absolutely amazing time
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these past few weeks we went to we were
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in New Hampshire and had an amazing time
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up in New Hampshire at the primaries got
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to meet a bunch of tulsi people and
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young people and and Bernie people and
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and that’s paying off because what’s
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happening is those people will the young
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people and especially already but but
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now we’re seeing what the Bernie people
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are realizing that the Democratic
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Party’s gonna screw them and try to
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shove Joe Biden down their throat
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and you know that’s a that’s a problem
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obviously because he doesn’t represent
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anything that y’all believe he’s
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essentially a different flavoring of
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Donald Trump as was Mike Bloomberg and
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and so now that you’re seeing what the
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Democrat Party is going to give you from
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it supreme would like us to would like
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you to know that we love you we support
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you and we present to you a amazing
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opportunity to give a gigantic middle
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finger to both the Democratic National
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Convention our National Committee in the
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convention and also your boomer
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grandparents we’re just really giving
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you a chance to just piss off a maximum
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number of people in a very impressively
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short period of time and so so we had a
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good time there and then I got really
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sick which was fun it’s fun to get sick
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especially when everyone’s talking about
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coronavirus so I was very sick for like
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the better part of a week and a half
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feeling at pretty much at a hundred
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percent now so that’s good but so this
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last or actually what two days ago we
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went to the I was at the UNC Greensboro
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to help the Libertarian Party of
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Tennessee our Libertarian Party of North
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Carolina and the Libertarian Party of
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UNCG who was starting a student
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affiliate there at the campus and
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basically what I did show some pictures
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here I went around oh I guess my
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graphics in the way there I went around
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and we went around and and basically
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talked to this talk to the students
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there there’s a nice picture of me
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talked to the students there and listen
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to what they had to say about what they
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thought about different subjects found
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out what they you know what their
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thoughts and hopes and dreams were what
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their fears were we opened by asking
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people we said we we have a very simple
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question for you and that question was
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do you own yourself do you think that
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you own yourself and we got a lot of
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really interesting answers to that
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everything from yes of course I own
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myself to know actually I don’t think I
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own myself to I’m not sure a lot of
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people were very introspective some
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people thought it was a trick question
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but no we were actually asking do you
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yourself do you think that you own
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yourself and your and your body and and
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your your life and your labor and your
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property and and most people said yes we
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got a lot of different answers and then
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we talked to them about the fact that
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you know libertarians
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we believe you do own yourself we
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believe that there are some people that
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are in power that clearly think that
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they own you and Oh photos by Steven
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Messina by the way he will let you know
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in the comments that he did these he did
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these photos but photos by Steven
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mussina mussina at Messina photography
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and this was just done on my phone so
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imagine what he could do with like an
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actual camera which for whatever reason
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he didn’t have seen a photography and so
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ya know we we talked with quite a few
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people there and and talk to them about
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self ownership talk to them about the
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things that that the goals that we have
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as libertarians to help to help them and
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others a few people actually wanted to
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talk quite a bit we had we had some
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folks that we talked to for 10-15
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minutes had had a few times that there
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were actually groups that formed that
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that you know wanted to talk more about
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specific subjects and so it was a really
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really fantastic event we signed a
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sign-up price spoke with I don’t know
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hundreds of people I spoke with probably
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about a hundred people and in Naughton
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that day and we also signed up as you
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can see there we signed up a bunch of
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people to the LP UNCG and yeah helped
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change the conversation on campus and
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what we’ve seen is that most students
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right now are kind of forming their
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opinions about things which makes sense
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you know this is their first time as
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young adults and especially if they’re
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living on campus or living away from
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home they’re really forming themselves
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as adults and that includes their belief
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system so this is the best time to reach
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out to them and you know they’re getting
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a lot of really authoritarian ideologies
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thrown at them right now which is a
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problem because they know that the
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current system doesn’t work
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the problem is mostly what they’re
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hearing is a doubling and tripling down
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on what has gotten us where we are right
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now they know that our Caronia system
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has failed
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them they know that they’re not making
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much more than their parents or
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grandparents did at their age and the
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cost of living is 10 or even a hundred
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times higher than it was when when you
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know when they’re their parents and
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grandparents were their age and and you
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know if you look at housing it’s it’s in
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some cases close to a hundred times more
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to buy a home as it was when they’re you
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know grandparents whose telling him to
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pull themselves up by their bootstraps
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when they were that age and and and you
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know the cost of gas is more the cost of
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food is more the cost of education is
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obviously more the cost of health care
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is obviously more and so they’re hearing
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some solutions to that that are very
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authoritarian that do not address
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people’s self-ownership they just want
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to further collectivise things and
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further centrally-planned things and and
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you know as libertarians we know that
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that’s a problem that that makes things
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worse that when you give those
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organizations that created this problem
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and made it worse even more power then
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you’re gonna get more of what you don’t
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like and you know they’re hearing it
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from Democratic socialists they’re
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hearing it from in some cases the all
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right and conservative groups but what
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they’re hearing is the problem is that
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government needs to have more control of
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X whatever that X is people on the right
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are saying that it’s you know the
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problem is you know a lack of you know
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morality or that the you know the
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immigrants are taking their jobs or you
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know or or often proposing a lot of the
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same things that the left is proposing
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people on the Left are saying that the
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problem is is greedy businesses which is
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true to an extent but it’s greedy
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businesses that are lined up at the
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trough of government and and using the
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centralized power that that government
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has has you know basically given itself
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granted itself to become rich without
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having to actually provide any value to
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the market and so we were able to have
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some really good really good
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conversations an interesting thing that
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we had there was that there were
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probably more people there who knew who
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vermin supreme was then who knew what
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the Libertarian Party was and that is
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not uncommon that is especially among
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students that’s not uncommon that he
15:22
actually has outsized influence there
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and so I actually have a video here of
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someone that we met named
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Ava who and her boyfriend John who knew
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who vermin was right away just by
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looking at my pin so I’m gonna I’m gonna
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show that show that video everybody
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spike calling here we have been out at
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UNC Greensboro talking with the students
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here we talked to our AP and John and
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Ava has had some amazing questions
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something we’d like to note that we talk
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about a lot is bourbon supreme to
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outreach with the youth and his
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popularity with young voters when I came
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over what was the first thing you said
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to me like she likes my pick bourbon
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spring
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get it on pin see it’s a pin you got you
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got the pin there we got we good with
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the pin good alright so you know
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everybody knows bourbon supreme
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everybody so I hope we’re driving okay
16:41
if you want to outreach to the youth
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urban supreme I didn’t even have to
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mention his name and I have been
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mentioning his name all day hey I’m
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doing my show you want to be on my show
16:57
if what is it good
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okay let’s do it several a few hundred
17:12
people are gonna hear whatever this is
17:13
hole in one second we’re just playing a
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video right now I just realized you guys
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can hear me I have a special guest whose
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name hey Kim actually I’m just gonna
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have you do this rather than have you go
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I have Kim ruff see this is Kim ruff you
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can’t see what her number is but I have
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Kim ruff here on the phone live on on my
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fellow Americans
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Kim ruff who is was arguably the
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front-runner for the presidential
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nomination before she dropped out and
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decided that I was the best possible
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person on the face of the planet to run
17:53
for vice president and it was so
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overwhelming it was so overwhelming that
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she simply said I I cannot I mean I’m
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paraphrasing but this is correct right
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you know between the triple parentheses
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in the Obermann
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I might be confusing some people on this
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show so Hitler was wrong this is
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definitely how I want the show to go Kim
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so I I heard that you have some
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fantastic news like a gone but not
19:02
forgotten for Kim ruff Wow I’m I’m sold
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on this idea
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I am absolutely sold on this idea oh god
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dad um I might skip I might skip that
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part because that might be a little too
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soon at that point so we’re gonna so
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we’re gonna spit ball this a little bit
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more before we we’re gonna storyboard
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this a bit it’s we’re definitely it is
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def it is definitely a thought and we’re
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definitely gonna workshop this it’s just
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a smidge it might it might be it might
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just be Owen Brent to Ritter says he
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would play the recorder to that photo
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montage is that a thing that girl we can
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get that girl that’s crying on the phone
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everywhere Liberty I don’t know how
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we’re gonna find a white woman at a
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libertarian convention but I’ll
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certainly try let’s definitely try that
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so Brent’s gonna Brent’s gonna nail it
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with the recorder Brent can you play my
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heart will go on
21:01
poorly yeah like at attune yeah I
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increasingly like this idea not a
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hundred percent married to the
21:12
coronavirus part other than that right
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well we have yeah we you you’ve done
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that here so so that you made the joke
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here in front of
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for Anna quite a few people and and so
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you’ve got that going for you if this
21:49
means you’ll actually come to Austin
21:51
then yes we’ll even do the coronavirus
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bar here and we just like we like shot
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we keeps rushing you
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we keep special excuse me excuse me
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madam we’re trying to be trying to we’re
22:08
trying to mourn Tim RUF here she was
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very important to us
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yeah can you can you show a little
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decorum right yeah excuse me can we show
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a little decorum here madam please thank
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you so Brent says he only no that would
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be oh well that would save that would
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save that that would say that Matt said
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he can find us a generic Matt Hicks said
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he can find us a generic generic white
22:36
woman mourner Brent a de Ridder says he
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only knows the lion sleeps tonight which
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I think will work yeah that is better
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yeah yeah this is I like that part I can
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do I can falsetto the beginning and then
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after that we’ll do the recorder I like
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this is a generic way that nothing weird
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yeah nothing weird right exactly exactly
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so ya know I think that that’s a great
23:27
idea and we’re definitely gonna move
23:29
forward on that no this is actually
23:42
perfect this is perfect and this just
23:44
further underscores guys how why I need
23:49
to be the next vice president
23:51
who else is getting calls from Kim Roth
23:53
about silliness know like like I would
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never I would never joke about this no
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yeah I mean I would never be so I would
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never be so flippant about something so
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serious ya know my sense of humor is way
24:20
less dry than yours and that makes me
24:24
better yeah so hey um you want me to
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call you after the show
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god bless god bless america
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that’s that’s the new quote from kimra
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I’m gonna put that up in hashtag god
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Bless America god bless america
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I’ll talk to you soon all right bye Kim
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ruff Kim ruff Jakob LaBelle I know she
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was just amazing I miss her so much
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oh by the way everyone please pray for
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Jacob who is not feeling well and we
25:08
hope is just dealing with the flu that’s
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what we’re hoping or a cold really like
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a really bad cold that’s what we’re
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hoping that was but uh yeah so I have no
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idea what I was even talking about Oh
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UNCG see ya guys we we had a great great
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time at UNCG really you know every time
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we do one of these events it just
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underscores how important it is to to
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you know reach people where they are and
25:41
and not try to you know expect people to
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show up at our stuff actually reach them
25:49
where they are whether it’s on campus
25:50
whether it is you know add an event of
25:53
theirs or something like that we’re just
25:55
knocking on doors and talking with
25:56
people you know it’s it that’s how you
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have to reach people is where they are
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and that’s how you add
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we make a difference so that’s what we
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did this that’s what we did this Monday
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and guys if you want us to come to your
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your campus me and or vermin to come to
26:16
your campus just reach out to me I am on
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Twitter at real spike Cohen and I’m on
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Facebook at facebook.com slash literally
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spike Cohen and I would love to or you
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can inbox Muddy Waters however you’re
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watching us now we’d love to meet you
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guys we’d love to come out and and we’d
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love to try to schedule that so now
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we’re gonna be doing a bit of a segment
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we’re not going to get too far into it
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because this is gonna be a shorter show
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but we’re gonna start doing where I
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talked about the talking about the
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platform the libertarian platform and
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what it actually means so that when
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people ask us what does you know what
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what do libertarians actually think
26:58
about things we can we can answer that
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and and not just give some you know
27:03
basic answer about all what we believe
27:05
in self ownership which is good for most
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of the time but it’s not really good
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when someone wants a specific about what
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we think about something there we go
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so we’ll get started what I’m gonna do
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is actually just be reading from the
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libertarian party platform and we’ll
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start with 1.0 and go all the way down
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to eventually all the way down to
27:30
four-point whatever it is where is that
27:33
yeah whatever it’s not working with me
27:34
it’s and it’s gonna it’ll be over the
27:36
course of a few episodes and then I’ll
27:38
probably cut it into snippet so that
27:39
it’ll be something a little bit more
27:40
digestible for people but basically
27:43
talking about what we actually believe
27:46
as libertarians and so let’s get started
27:49
with that right now so the very first
27:51
part of the libertarian platform is
27:54
section 1.0 personal liberty it says
27:58
individuals are inherently free to make
28:00
choices for themselves and must accept
28:02
responsibility for the consequences of
28:04
the choices they make our support of an
28:06
individual’s right to make choices in
28:08
life does not mean that we necessarily
28:09
approve or disapprove of those choices
28:11
no individual group or government may
28:14
rightly initiate force against any other
28:16
individual group or government
28:18
right Aryans reject the notion that
28:20
groups have any rent rights we support
28:23
the rights of the smallest minority the
28:25
individual so let’s say that in a little
28:28
bit in fact let’s let’s go ahead to the
28:30
next part of that of what exactly that
28:32
means because it gets into each part one
28:33
point one self ownership individuals own
28:36
their bodies and have rights over them
28:38
that other individuals groups and
28:40
governments may not violate individuals
28:42
have the freedom and responsibility to
28:44
decide what they knowingly and
28:45
voluntarily consume and what risks they
28:47
accept to their own health finances
28:49
safety or life let’s go back a little
28:51
bit to what self ownership means a lot
28:55
of people will say well because I’ll say
28:57
libertarians believe that you own
28:59
yourself and one of the most common
29:02
answers all one of the most common
29:03
questions I’ll get is well how do we
29:06
know that how do we know that you own
29:07
yourself that sounds good that sounds
29:10
like a good idea but why do you think
29:12
that why do you think you own yourself
29:13
other than you would like to own
29:15
yourself so the answer I give it’s
29:18
probably not a perfect answer but what I
29:20
say is this why do you think we all
29:24
recognize or pretty much all of us if
29:26
you’re not a psychopath recognize that
29:29
murder is wrong it’s bad why why do you
29:37
think that I think it but why do you
29:38
think it and your answer might be well
29:41
because it ends the life okay why is
29:45
that bad why do you believe that’s bad I
29:48
know why I believe that’s bad but why do
29:49
you believe that’s bad
29:50
and sometimes people get tripped up on
29:53
it because they haven’t really examined
29:54
this stuff of course murder is wrong you
29:55
can’t kill people why well there’s a
30:00
good reason for that when you take
30:03
something and for that matter why is
30:05
theft wrong why is rape wrong why are
30:09
any of these things where you are taking
30:10
something from someone whether it’s
30:12
their life their body their autonomy
30:15
their ability to choose something their
30:18
property if you’re stealing from them
30:20
why are those things wrong well we
30:25
believe as libertarians that it’s
30:27
because it is a violation of your
30:29
ownership of these things that you and
30:32
err
30:32
they own these things and that we
30:33
innately recognize that taking from
30:37
those things without permission without
30:40
consent so if I if I take something from
30:42
you because you’ve said you know please
30:44
have this or oh you know if you give me
30:48
this much money I’ll give that to you
30:49
then if I’m taking something from you
30:52
with your consent that’s different it’s
30:53
actually really you’re giving it to me
30:54
but if I take without your consent if I
30:56
am taking from you then I have violated
30:59
your self ownership
31:00
I have aggressed upon you and in doing
31:04
so I have created an aggression against
31:08
you and it’s a coercion against you and
31:09
it’s a bad thing and so we believe as
31:11
libertarians if you if you distill down
31:14
what we believe about everything and
31:15
when I go through these different you
31:17
know parts of the platform I’m always
31:18
gonna be referring back to self
31:20
ownership and why it why it goes you
31:23
know why it goes further into into you
31:26
know what why that applies to what we’re
31:27
talking about on that subject so with
31:30
self ownership it’s it’s very basic you
31:32
own yourself which means you own your
31:34
body if you own yourself then you must
31:35
own your body and you must own your life
31:37
and if you own your body and your life
31:40
well then you should own what you’re
31:42
doing with your body so your labor the
31:44
things that you do you must own that and
31:46
if you own your labor well then that
31:48
would mean that you own the product of
31:49
your labor if you do a certain amount of
31:51
work and you get something in exchange
31:52
then you own that which means it’s your
31:55
property you own your property you own
31:57
your life you’re on your body you own
31:59
your labor you own your autonomy your
32:02
choice to make things to make decisions
32:03
and if anyone tries to take that from
32:06
you it’s wrong
32:07
even if bare with me here because this
32:11
you know it’s a bit of a hypothetical
32:12
even if someone is trying to take from
32:15
you who’s hanging out in a fancy marble
32:17
building and writing things down on
32:20
fancy-looking sheets of paper and
32:22
putting piece of pieces of metal on
32:24
other people and ordering them to go rob
32:27
you that’s still theft if you strip away
32:31
the pretense and the pageantry from that
32:34
you’re left with people who are engaging
32:37
in behaviors that are no different than
32:39
that of any other violent thief so if I
32:43
come to your door
32:45
and put a gun to your head and say give
32:48
me all your money that’s wrong we
32:50
recognize that’s wrong if me and a group
32:53
of five people come to your house and
32:55
say give me all your money
32:58
that’s wrong and not just give me your
33:01
money if I tell you to do anything if I
33:04
for try to force you to do anything
33:05
under the threat of harm then that’s
33:07
wrong if me a group of five people five
33:12
people ten people whatever hire someone
33:14
to come to your house and put a gun to
33:15
your head and say you know do whatever
33:17
give me your money or do what I tell you
33:19
to do that’s wrong violates your self
33:22
ownership if a group of several hundred
33:27
people hire hundreds of thousands of
33:30
people to go around and enforce things
33:33
that they wrote on sheets of paper
33:34
essentially putting a gun to your head
33:36
if you don’t that’s also wrong so self
33:42
ownership means that Authority proper
33:44
authority resides in you yourself as the
33:47
individual so that is what that means
33:49
when we talk about when we talk about
33:52
the what self ownership is so the next
33:56
part is expression and communication 1.2
34:00
and it says we support the full freedom
34:03
of expression and oppose government
34:04
censorship regulation or control of
34:07
communications media and technology we
34:09
favor the freedom to engage in or
34:11
abstain from any religious activities
34:13
that do not violate the rights of others
34:14
we oppose government actions which
34:17
either aid or attack any religion again
34:20
if you own yourself you own your
34:23
thoughts and you own your speech that
34:27
means that you are free to say what you
34:29
wish to say and no government no
34:32
coercive entity should force you not to
34:37
speak now that doesn’t mean that you
34:41
aren’t responsible for the four-year
34:44
action so for example if I say really
34:46
terrible things and a bunch of other
34:48
people don’t like me for it and they
34:51
tell others hey look this guy said this
34:52
these terrible things you know let’s not
34:55
associate with him and let’s tell others
34:56
not to meet you know to be sure not to
34:58
associate with him
34:59
that’s not censorship that’s you
35:02
suffering the consequences positive or
35:04
negative of the things that you say if
35:06
you say things that others find edifying
35:10
or at least tolerable then you’re gonna
35:13
suffer positive consequences if you say
35:16
terrible things then you’re gonna suffer
35:18
negative consequences now positive and
35:21
bad are somewhat subjective so you’re
35:23
free to decide even if you you know
35:26
believe things that the majority of
35:28
people don’t believe you’re free to say
35:29
those things and those people are free
35:32
to respond accordingly this doesn’t mean
35:35
incidentally that you have the right to
35:40
someone else’s labor so for example if
35:43
you’re on a free social media platform
35:45
or a paid social media platform and you
35:48
engage in things that violate their
35:49
Terms and this private organization
35:51
tells you we don’t want you on our
35:53
platform anymore you’re not welcome on
35:56
their platform anymore the fact that you
35:58
have a right to speak doesn’t entitle
36:01
you to their labor or their property
36:03
because they own that and so that is
36:07
these are the basic concepts of self
36:09
ownership expressed in these different
36:11
ideas so here’s the next one
36:14
privacy and it says libertarians
36:17
advocate individual privacy and
36:19
government transparency we are committed
36:22
to ending government’s practice of
36:23
spying on everyone
36:24
we support the rights recognized by the
36:26
Fourth Amendment to be secure in our
36:28
persons homes property and
36:30
communications protections from
36:32
unreasonable search and seizure should
36:34
include records held by third parties
36:36
such as email medical and library
36:40
records privacy we have the opposite of
36:44
that right now it said we what is it we
36:46
we advocate individual privacy and
36:48
government transparency we actually have
36:50
the opposite of that now government is
36:52
incredibly private we know very little
36:54
about what they’re doing we often find
36:56
stuff out after the cat after the the
36:59
fact you know when there’s nothing we
37:01
can do about it
37:02
it often follows the same it also it
37:06
often follows the same pattern where you
37:09
know we find out that they’ve been doing
37:11
the same thing ten years from now that
37:13
we found out before that they had been
37:15
doing ten years before and then for some
37:17
reason we’re expected not to think
37:18
they’re still doing that anyway that’s
37:19
another subject we though have to live
37:23
under total transparency if you watched
37:26
my show last night the muddy waters of
37:28
freedom with Matt right and I we were
37:31
talking about the fact that there are
37:33
now these geofencing warrants where when
37:36
a crime is committed or a suspected
37:37
crime is committed the police now get a
37:39
warrant for every bit of information
37:41
within a certain square radius of where
37:44
the crime committed so if you just
37:47
happen to go for a certain period of
37:48
time from like Google and and and all of
37:51
these different platforms that you know
37:52
record all of your comings and goings on
37:55
these on these on these devices we carry
37:57
around all the time and so there are
37:59
people getting caught up in in warrants
38:01
that did absolutely nothing they weren’t
38:04
they just happen to be with a not you
38:06
know a block of when something happened
38:09
and so you know not only are they being
38:11
summoned and sometimes arrested
38:13
unreasonably we talked about two cases
38:15
one a Breaking and Entering and one a
38:17
murder
38:18
um that that the people were wrongfully
38:21
arrested and thankfully were found out
38:23
to be you know to be not guilty but in
38:26
the meantime the government had all of
38:28
their information which I doubt they
38:30
ever got rid of and so we believe again
38:32
if you own yourself then you own your
38:35
privacy and so we we believe that
38:38
government you know for those of us who
38:40
some of us many of us including myself
38:42
don’t believe government should exist in
38:44
the first place because they only exists
38:46
to aggress upon people and to coerce
38:49
people and draw people in to harm people
38:50
it’s only purpose is to serve as a
38:52
violent monopoly and any of the services
38:55
that it provides that are actually
38:56
useful are things that would be better
38:58
provided in an open free market by
39:00
competing providers who don’t have a gun
39:02
to your head forcing you to do it or pay
39:04
for it so but for those of us who do
39:07
think there should be a government at
39:08
the very least we think that government
39:10
should be very transparent and that it
39:12
should be it should respect your privacy
39:14
you should be the one not having to tell
39:17
them things they should be the ones
39:18
telling you everything that’s going on
39:21
and of course if they weren’t able to be
39:24
private they wouldn’t do have to
39:27
stuff that they’re doing because we’d
39:29
know about it and would demand that they
39:31
stop Oh Fotini you’re asking about about
39:35
presumably about abortion we’re actually
39:37
going to be getting into that shortly
39:39
and on not this next one but the one
39:43
after that one point for personal
39:47
relationships sexual orientation
39:49
preference gender or gender identity
39:51
should have no impact on the
39:54
government’s treatment of individuals
39:55
such as in current marriage child
39:57
custody adoption immigration or military
40:01
service laws government does not have
40:03
the authority to define promote license
40:07
or restrict personal relationships
40:09
regardless of the number of participants
40:11
consenting adults should be free to
40:14
choose their own sexual practices and
40:16
personal relationships personal
40:18
relationships until such time as the
40:21
government stops its illegitimate
40:22
practice of marriage licensing such
40:24
licenses must be granted to all
40:27
consenting adults who apply the easiest
40:31
way to deal with this is for government
40:33
to not be licensing marriage the roots
40:37
of marriage licenses were originally and
40:41
it depends on the country because they
40:42
happen at different times for different
40:44
reasons but the two main things were to
40:47
make sure that highborn people people in
40:50
the aristocracy did not marry lowborn
40:53
people commoners and so in order to be
40:56
approved for a license you had to
40:59
demonstrate that they were in your same
41:02
class other times that it was instituted
41:04
was to make sure people of different
41:06
races didn’t get married so they would
41:09
actually verify that you were both white
41:11
or that you were both black or you were
41:12
both whatever or at least that you
41:14
weren’t that if you were a white person
41:17
you were marrying another white person
41:18
they may not have cared if a black
41:20
person married a Hispanic person but
41:22
they definitely cared if a white person
41:25
marry did another white person or wasn’t
41:28
marrying another white person there’s no
41:31
reason for government to be licensing
41:32
marriage at all and by just removing
41:36
marriage licenses completely it does
41:40
away with
41:41
you know for those who have religious
41:42
objections to you know to you know to
41:48
same-sex marriages or polygamous
41:50
marriages or or any of these these you
41:52
know different types of you know
41:55
different types of marriage arrangements
41:56
that that people might have objections
41:58
to and then we don’t want their taxpayer
42:01
dollars paying for licenses to be
42:03
granted form okay great so let’s just
42:05
get rid of marriage licenses I mean
42:07
historically there weren’t marriage
42:08
licenses you got married marriage was a
42:11
a way for families to build resources
42:14
together we’ve turned it into a romantic
42:15
thing do I want to go down that wormhole
42:17
about marriages yeah probably not
42:19
anyway whatever reason you choose to get
42:22
married there’s no real reason for
42:25
government to be involved in it at all
42:26
so there’s there’s just no reason for
42:29
that
42:29
and so we’re gonna we’re gonna do the
42:33
abortion one and then I’m going to
42:35
probably just answer your questions and
42:37
then we’ll be wrapping up the show this
42:39
is gonna be a shorter show because I
42:42
have to get on a firm and Spike 2020
42:46
campaign call because we’ve got some big
42:48
stuff coming up but I’m gonna talk about
42:50
this last one that I’ll answer the
42:51
questions and then I will I will be
42:54
signing off so this is really a prickly
42:59
one abortion 1.5 recognizing that
43:06
abortion is a sensitive issue and that
43:08
people can hold good faith views on all
43:12
sides we believe that government should
43:14
be kept out of the matter leaving the
43:16
question to each person for their
43:18
constant conscientious consideration now
43:22
this is going to be a long one so let me
43:25
do a rock Marco Rubio and drink some
43:27
water because my lips are gonna be my
43:29
mouth is gonna be pretty dry after this
43:30
one see during the show I usually drink
43:38
water while the guest is talking but
43:41
I’ll have a guest so I’m just drinking
43:43
the water and looking at but I look at
43:44
you this time that way we’re all both
43:45
uncomfortable anyway so let’s talk abou
43:52
everyone’s favorite subject guys
43:57
it may not surprise you to know that
43:59
this plank in the platform
44:02
makes everyone a little upset well not
44:06
everyone cuz it doesn’t actually bother
44:08
me but it makes a lot of people really
44:11
really really really upset because it’s
44:17
about abortion at depending on where you
44:20
fall on the abortion debate it is either
44:24
a question of an unborn baby being
44:27
murdered or not or or a woman being
44:30
forced to carry you know a lump of cells
44:36
or not so there’s two debates here and
44:42
yeah there’s two debates here and one is
44:46
the question of personhood and the other
44:49
one is a question of burden and
44:53
obligation and responsibility and
44:56
whether someone can put that on someone
44:57
else so we got some unpacking to do and
45:00
I know everyone is gonna love me way
45:02
more after I get into this everyone is
45:05
no matter what you think because that’s
45:06
my goal is to make everyone love me cuz
45:08
that’s how you get elected so okay first
45:11
abortion but if personhood we are
45:16
incorrectly told that this is an issue
45:18
of life it actually isn’t and I’m about
45:21
to explain why when you hear that
45:26
someone is having their I don’t know
45:29
kidney removed or some organ removed
45:32
because either it’s cancerous or it’s
45:35
diseased or whatever you never hear
45:38
anyone say you can’t do that that’s a
45:40
human life it is actually human life
45:42
it’s living while it’s still a part of
45:44
your body it is human by DNA but the
45:47
reason you never hear that is because
45:49
it’s not a person it isn’t its own
45:52
person it is an organ right and so
45:57
because it’s an organ we’re not worried
45:59
about it
45:59
it doesn’t think it doesn’t feel it is
46:02
only a part of a gloire organism a
46:06
person in this case
46:08
and so because of that it doesn’t own
46:10
itself it’s a part of you that you own
46:13
and if someone tells you hey you
46:16
shouldn’t have this organ anymore or
46:18
this piece of flesh anymore we should
46:20
probably get rid of it then you say okay
46:23
that’s fine and the one has a problem
46:24
with it so this is not a question of
46:26
life it is a question of personhood or
46:29
it is partially a question of personhood
46:32
so the question becomes when does
46:34
personhood begin well many people that
46:38
are religious or people that are even
46:41
even some people that aren’t religious
46:42
would say personhood begins at the very
46:44
moment of conception now the reason they
46:47
would say that is because that’s when a
46:48
separate human life actually begins and
46:50
we know that because when a when when a
46:53
conception happens and when the the
46:54
embryo is when it becomes an embryo when
46:58
the egg is fertilized it actually has
47:00
its own distinct human DNA so we know
47:03
that life begins that now is it a person
47:07
well I have noticed a common thread so
47:14
the question of let’s step back the
47:16
question of when personhood begins the
47:18
most extreme people on the let’s call it
47:21
the pro-life side are would say that it
47:25
begins at the very moment of conception
47:26
for the reason I just said the people
47:28
that would say that it begins I don’t
47:32
know after birth and once it’s once
47:34
there’s a birth or once the parents sign
47:36
up birth certificate or whatever the
47:38
ones who say you know it happens
47:39
basically when the parents decide it
47:41
happens that would be the other extreme
47:44
so let’s let’s let’s delve into those
47:47
extremes if it begins at the moment of
47:50
conception we aren’t behaving as though
47:55
it does so for example it is not often
47:59
sometimes happens but it’s not it is not
48:01
often that if someone has had a very
48:04
very early miscarriage that they have a
48:07
funeral why I’ve noticed that a lot of
48:15
pro-life protesters tend to protest at
48:17
abortion clinics but not at fertility
48:21
centers where
48:22
at some cases hundreds as many hundreds
48:24
of times as many embryos are being
48:27
destroyed as in the abortion clinics
48:30
where where fetuses are being destroyed
48:33
why I would argue that it’s because
48:38
whether they want to admit it or not the
48:41
people on the pro-life side are
48:43
inherently admitting in their actions
48:46
that there is at least a degree of
48:49
difference in the personhood of a newly
48:52
formed or recently formed embryo and say
48:55
a second trimester fetus if it wasn’t
49:00
then I would argue that they wouldn’t
49:03
even be bothering with Planned
49:04
Parenthood because so much more is
49:06
happening at the embryo stage on the
49:09
other side of the argument where we’re
49:13
saying oh it’s whenever the parents
49:16
decide it’s at the point it’s at the
49:17
point of birth let’s say that it’s not a
49:20
child
49:20
up until then it’s just a piece of the
49:21
mother well then why do a lot of people
49:24
refer to that fetus inside of them as he
49:28
or she give it give the the fetus names
49:33
reveal its gender start buying clothes
49:36
for it
49:37
a lot of us aren’t acting as though it
49:42
and I’m saying it because I don’t know
49:44
gender oh I’m saying hypothetically this
49:47
this this thing this this fetus we’re
49:51
acknowledging that we’re not acting as
49:54
though it’s not already a person it’s
49:57
just not out yet most of us are not
49:59
acknowledging that it’s a person yet so
50:03
what that means is that for the vast
50:05
majority of us the spectrum of
50:08
personhood or the very moment when we
50:10
can say personhood begins and this is an
50:11
autonomous person who has self ownership
50:14
is somewhere in between there where I
50:20
don’t know I actually don’t have a very
50:24
solid opinion on it I’ve heard a lot of
50:27
different people talk on the subject
50:28
that it happens when the heartbeat
50:30
starts it happens when brain activity
50:31
starts it happens when they could start
50:33
feeling things it happens when they
50:35
start
50:35
kicking what they call the quickening
50:37
when when movement starts happening I
50:40
don’t know I do know that I don’t feel
50:44
strongly enough about it to impose my
50:46
will on someone else there’s a second
50:50
question and that is a burden and
50:52
obligation let me give you another
50:53
example let’s say that there’s a person
50:56
who is living in your home renting your
51:00
home and they are very very unwell and
51:05
they can’t afford to pay the rent they
51:09
can’t afford it they are so unwell
51:15
that moving them would more than likely
51:20
kill them let’s say it would kill them
51:23
they are very very behind on rent you’re
51:25
about to lose everything you’re about to
51:27
lose the home if they don’t pay the rent
51:30
if you let them stay there they could
51:34
end up living several more months or
51:35
years or anything else they they can end
51:38
up living a much longer period of time
51:41
continuing to not pay you rent well what
51:46
do you do do you have an obligation to
51:51
let them stay there now a lot of you are
51:54
probably answering of course I’d let
51:55
them stay there in this hypothetical
51:57
that you have no skin in the game
51:58
there’s a different question as to
52:00
whether you would say that right now
52:02
hearing this terrible example that you
52:04
don’t actually have skin in the game and
52:06
whether you would do it in a situation
52:08
of where you need that money where you
52:12
actually need the money and are paying
52:13
out money and are how going to have your
52:16
life ruined if you continue to allow
52:18
this person here’s another question if
52:23
you are obese
52:28
or have diabetes or have some illness
52:31
that leads to a much higher rate of
52:35
miscarriage are you obligated not to get
52:39
pregnant because of the higher risk of
52:41
miscarriage and if not why not
52:44
again this is you know it’s going to
52:46
happen or you know it’s very likely to
52:48
happen or let’s say
52:49
you’ve already gotten pregnant multiple
52:52
times and miscarried every single time
52:54
and you just desperately want a child
52:57
well if you know what’s gonna happen or
53:01
you know it’s very very likely to happen
53:04
how are you not if you have an
53:08
obligation to carry a child to full-term
53:10
how are you not committing manslaughter
53:13
you know what’s gonna happen you know
53:16
it’s very likely to happen so should we
53:18
be forcing women who are very very
53:21
unlikely to carry the term to stop
53:23
trying
53:24
should we not let women implant with
53:26
embryos to try to have an in-vitro
53:28
fertilization with the idea that all or
53:32
most of those embryos likely are going
53:35
to die there is more question here than
53:38
the basic question of at third trimester
53:43
should women be able to have abortion
53:45
there are multiple questions here about
53:47
personhood about obligation what you are
53:49
obligated to another person are you
53:51
obligated to give your body to another
53:54
person if their life relies on it and I
53:59
don’t mean morally obligated do you
54:00
believe because of your ego is that you
54:02
should do it that’s a personal choice
54:04
I’m saying should other people be able
54:08
to require that you do this I would
54:13
argue they do not now going back to the
54:17
libertarian party platform we recognize
54:25
that this is a sensitive issue we
54:28
recognize that people hold good faith
54:30
views on all sides of this pro-life
54:32
people are not trying to control women
54:35
pro-choice people do not want to murder
54:37
babies we’ve recognized that they see
54:41
these things vastly differently their
54:44
world views are based on a completely
54:46
different conception as to whether or
54:49
not this is a good thing and because
54:51
there is ZERO consensus on this subject
54:55
because this is not as cut and dry as
54:58
for example you can’t murder an adult or
55:01
a child
55:03
or you can’t rape someone because it is
55:07
not as cut-and-dry of a subject of
55:08
bodily autonomy because there are
55:11
multiple bodies that are connected to
55:13
each other involved here and because
55:17
there’s no consensus on that then we
55:18
believe that and I’ll go even further
55:21
than this this is not just we believe
55:22
that government should be kept out of
55:23
the matter leaving the person to each
55:25
question for their concierge is
55:26
conscientious consideration I believe
55:29
that everyone should be out of the
55:33
matter because it’s not your body and
55:36
the fetus inside of you
55:38
if fetus is not inside of you it is not
55:42
really your business to the extent of
55:47
forcing someone to have a positive
55:49
obligation to someone or something else
55:54
so that’s a good one to leave people on
55:56
tonight let me go through the comments
55:58
here to see just how much I’m being
56:00
scaped about this let’s see oh I knew
56:08
this would happen I’ve been asked about
56:12
if oh so I’ve been asked Michael Ritz
56:16
says when does life begin life begins as
56:19
soon as it exists that’s not the
56:20
question it’s abortion that’s the
56:22
question of personhood
56:23
brenta writer says murder is bad because
56:26
your life is your most valuable property
56:27
that’s correct it is yours and you own
56:30
it
56:33
Michael Ritz says but when one murders
56:34
they give up the right to their own life
56:36
that’s a questionable one and I would
56:39
say that would be left up to individual
56:40
voluntary communities to decide their
56:42
standard of how to deal with something
56:44
like that we just saw with the execution
56:46
of Nathaniel Nathaniel Woods last week
56:50
where he was executed for murdering
56:52
three cops even though he didn’t shoot
56:54
them the shooter said he had nothing to
56:56
do with it
56:57
and the jury was not allowed to hear
57:00
that and in fact the only evidence they
57:02
actually had was the surviving officer
57:04
saying that he swore at them earlier in
57:07
the day which means he was effectively
57:08
executed for swearing at police officers
57:11
shortly before they were shot by someone
57:13
else I would argue that government
57:17
no business deciding who should be
57:20
living or dying and see what else
57:26
Fotini Henderson says I just thought of
57:28
something I can part out my second
57:30
kidney for money money why can’t we sell
57:32
ourselves sex workers sent out ran out
57:34
their bodies the most strict application
57:36
of libertarians libertarianism Fotini is
57:39
that if you have something and want to
57:41
sell it you should be able to do so and
57:43
in fact there’s a whole question about
57:44
how much more availability there would
57:47
be for organs on the market if people
57:50
were allowed to sell their organs upon
57:53
their death
57:54
how much more incentive there would be
57:55
for people to actually say that they
57:58
like their organs to be donated if they
58:00
actually knew that their their errors
58:03
and the signs would would get organs for
58:05
that I argue there would be much more
58:07
availability thankfully with science and
58:09
stem cells were probably soon gonna have
58:11
post scarcity when it comes to organs
58:13
but in the meantime we don’t have port
58:15
post scarcity there’s a lot of people
58:16
that I know walking around waiting for
58:18
an organ that they may or may not get so
58:22
I would definitely argue that um let’s
58:25
see what else can we use our phones as
58:33
decoys for alibis I saw a thing where a
58:36
guy said he would bake cookies shaped
58:38
his phones and yell into them and then
58:40
when the police pulled them over they’d
58:42
say oh you don’t like cookies but it
58:43
turns out they’ll probably still ticket
58:47
you because most of those have
58:48
distracted driving and if you’re
58:50
screaming at a cookie they might hurt
58:52
you that you’re distracted I would love
58:54
to see that one challenged in court does
58:56
government have that all here we go does
58:58
government have the right to license
58:59
adulthood regard I guess regarding age
59:05
of majority so this is a fun one to talk
59:08
about I think this is somewhere in the
59:09
libertarian platform that we can discuss
59:12
but I’ll go ahead and answer this this
59:15
is a really fun one because it’s hard to
59:19
talk about this without either sounding
59:21
like you’re trying to control everyone
59:23
or that you are you know you support
59:26
pedophilia I will say this I think we
59:30
all ignore
59:31
that for example a 50 year old having a
59:35
sexual relationship with a 10 year old
59:39
is bad like we all recognize that’s bad
59:42
and in and for those who don’t and we’ll
59:47
start talking about how in the past you
59:50
know there were you know people marrying
59:52
people at women at 12 and they’re in
59:55
their 40s and it’s their fifth wife
59:57
this was also putting aside the the
59:59
barbarism that of that these were also
60:03
at times when it was a lot harder for
60:06
humans to live past childhood and they
60:09
were just trying to keep their family
60:13
tribe nation whatever going and so it
60:18
was all hands on deck in terms of
60:19
reproduction that’s also a reason why
60:22
homosexuality was looked down upon
60:24
because that was a man or woman who
60:27
wasn’t contributing to reproduction it’s
60:30
also why you know it’s it’s why a lot of
60:33
these things are based around maximizing
60:36
reproduction we don’t live in that kind
60:38
of error anymore and we focus more on
60:40
the ability for someone to make
60:43
decisions for themselves so again
60:45
now that we live in the in the in the
60:47
modern world we can say that 50 year
60:50
olds shouldn’t be in sexual
60:52
relationships with 10 year olds because
60:54
the 10 year old is not in a position to
60:56
make those kinds of decisions for
60:57
themselves and there’s definitely an
60:59
imbalance of power there where a 50 year
61:02
old is I mean the trait it’s rape I
61:06
would say most or all of us can
61:08
recognize that a 40 year old with a
61:11
thirteen year old is bad I certainly do
61:14
and I’d say most of us can recognize
61:16
that a 30 year old with a 14 year old is
61:20
bad 20 and a 15 year old I think there’s
61:26
probably something wrong there I would
61:29
say there’s something wrong there about
61:30
20 and a 16 year old I’m not a big fan
61:36
of that 20 and 17 year old I’m having
61:39
much less difficulty with that about a
61:42
19 and a 16 year old
61:43
what about a 25 year old in the 17 year
61:46
old what about a 18 year old and a 15
61:49
year old what about a 17 year old in the
61:52
14 year old these are ones that get a
61:56
little hairy and we aren’t comfortable
61:57
talking about which is why I’m bringing
61:59
it up now the the and and we see that
62:03
there is not a lot of consensus on these
62:05
more you know vague gray areas which is
62:09
why every almost every single state in
62:11
the Union has completely different laws
62:13
when it comes to age of consent we see
62:15
that there’s an arbitrary nature to it
62:16
in my mind and this is not a perfect
62:21
solution to this by any stretch of the
62:23
imagination in my mind these are
62:27
questions that are best left to smaller
62:31
and more localized communities who can
62:34
set these standards for themselves with
62:36
the idea that is there going to be abuse
62:38
there will probably unfortunately be
62:40
abuse we see abuse now we see government
62:43
protecting pedophiles so clearly that
62:47
model didn’t work if there is a
62:51
community that says until you are the
62:54
age of 18 you should not be getting
62:56
gaging in sexual relationships if you
62:58
are a 19 year old with a 17 year old
63:00
that is rape I see that as awful extreme
63:03
but if they want to decide voluntarily
63:05
that that’s the way at the standard they
63:06
want to have well that’s the standard
63:08
that’s the standard they want to have if
63:10
there’s a group that says 20 with 15
63:12
year old is fine as long as the 15 year
63:14
old is able to I don’t know drive or
63:16
something I I’m not even sure what the
63:18
standard would be there honestly because
63:20
to me 20 and 15 is starting – I actually
63:23
have a pretty high standard on this for
63:26
20 and 15 to me I personally don’t find
63:29
acceptable and I’m you know I’m sure
63:32
there were examples where that might
63:34
have been fine but I have a very I’m not
63:38
okay with that
63:39
and and so this is a tough one to talk
63:41
about because there’s a lot of stuff I’m
63:43
not okay with but a lot of other people
63:45
are okay with put it this way if I were
63:47
divorced I wouldn’t can’t picture myself
63:51
being with someone under I’m 37 gonna be
63:54
38 this year I can’t picture being with
63:56
someone under
63:57
thirty at this point maybe late 20s I
64:02
don’t know early 20s I don’t see it I
64:07
certainly can’t think legal teen and
64:10
then this other stuff is just I I find
64:13
it completely distasteful um so just
64:16
letting you know where I’m from on this
64:18
personally 20 and 15 year old this is a
64:26
really really really thorny subject I
64:28
will say that I think that in general
64:30
this type of thing is best handled by
64:32
more localized communities that can set
64:34
their own standards with the idea that I
64:38
think there are very few punishments for
64:42
pedophiles
64:43
that I wouldn’t be okay with if we know
64:46
beyond a reasonable doubt that they did
64:48
it that’s my personal opinion
64:51
someone said Ken Radner says hello all
64:54
you Nazis that’s an interesting greeting
64:58
Fotini Henderson says eviction that
65:00
sounds like human property your body is
65:03
your property your body is your property
65:09
if there’s another person in your
65:11
property they’re occupying your property
65:14
and there is a question of whether or
65:17
not you owe them a positive obligation
65:21
and if you believe that you do you have
65:24
every right to conduct yourself that way
65:27
so um
65:29
let’s see what’s here Jacob says this is
65:33
super deep I’m just gonna give my kids a
65:34
hug and Jacob I hope you feel better
65:37
I really do man I really we’re rootin
65:39
for you here um Fotini henderson says
65:43
government shouldn’t police morality but
65:45
murder is the state interest well I mean
65:47
again talking to me I don’t believe that
65:48
anything is a state interest when I talk
65:50
about enforcement of standards I’m
65:52
talking about by voluntary communities
65:54
again there is consensus that an adult
65:58
killing a child or an adult killing an
66:00
adult or whatever that these are
66:02
separate autonomous human beings not so
66:06
much when it comes to a fetus or unborn
66:09
child if you will
66:11
inside of another human being it becomes
66:12
a lot more thorny both on the question
66:14
of personhood and on positive obligation
66:16
are you due date does someone else have
66:18
an obligation to give their own property
66:22
to someone else so Michael says who gets
66:30
to decide what counts as murder in a
66:32
libertarian society in any society
66:34
standards are set by consensus and that
66:38
would be no less true in a libertarian
66:39
1um any you know there are many
66:44
religious people who say there is no
66:45
such thing as consensus or subjectivity
66:47
on on morality morality is objective
66:50
because it’s written right here in my
66:51
book that tells you what is objective
66:54
okay
66:55
fair that’s fair let me ask you this
66:59
show me a religion or even a sect within
67:03
a religion in which there is total 100%
67:07
agreement within the people of that sect
67:11
denomination religion on what that book
67:14
actually says about a specific subject
67:17
if there is not then even within that
67:21
books objective writing there is
67:25
subjectivity because there is not a
67:27
consensus you may believe it’s
67:29
subjective because you know what you
67:30
believe on it but if there’s anyone who
67:32
follows that book who disagrees with you
67:34
much less multiple different competing
67:36
parties which is why most religions have
67:39
sects and denominations because they
67:41
can’t agree on what that same book says
67:43
and even that’s subjective it’s
67:47
subjective to the author if you believe
67:49
that your deity wrote that it may be
67:52
objective to them but to us interpreting
67:54
it clearly not these are all interesting
67:57
conversations I’m pretty sure that’s not
67:59
covered in the libertarian platform
68:00
that’s just me giving my opinion um what
68:03
else here a lot of the extra wives from
68:07
marrying other men’s wives who died in
68:09
war so as to help take care of the
68:11
community that also happened as well I
68:13
mean there we are applying especially
68:19
when we start talking about older people
68:23
marrying younger
68:25
and immediately having children with
68:27
them because they’ve reached puberty
68:30
again this was like all hands on deck
68:33
stuff this was if we’re going to survive
68:36
as if extended family as a tribe as of
68:40
whatever everyone has to be constantly
68:43
making kids thankfully we aren’t in that
68:48
situation anymore for many reasons one
68:50
of them is that we can actually examine
68:52
things like consent and autonomy because
68:55
I can tell you right now a 12 year old
68:56
that is forced into a marriage with a 40
68:58
year old and then it’s immediately
69:00
having kids is clearly not being allowed
69:04
their autonomy it’s arguable that that’s
69:07
why we all exist because of those types
69:10
of interactions happened back then that
69:12
that’s why entire bloodlines that
69:14
weren’t wiped out all of that aside we
69:16
thankfully have been able to progress as
69:18
a society into being able to respect
69:21
people’s bodily autonomy we now have a
69:24
good number of people and are more than
69:28
meeting replacement rate as a as a human
69:30
species
69:33
Michael Ritz says the equation is age
69:35
plus 7/2 yeah I’ve heard that one and
69:38
and and when I’ve applied it that
69:40
usually if that’s the same one that I’ve
69:42
seen before I believe that usually when
69:45
I see that how that ends up playing out
69:49
I’m usually okay with it but there may
69:53
be some that aren’t um and and and and
69:55
so you know I I think it’s best handled
69:57
that way but and again every state has a
70:00
different standard I trying to remember
70:02
if that’s the one that well no cuz age
70:06
play okay so if I’m 38 plus seven is 45
70:13
divided by two is 22 and a half I can’t
70:22
even imagine wanting to be with someone
70:25
that young but again that’s me personal
70:27
like I I can never just feel so weird
70:32
anyway whatever um Mark Andrews says
70:36
maybe sometimes we just need to be
70:37
pragmatic and not idealistic
70:39
and just pick an arbitrary number like
70:40
18 and that’s what often happens but
70:44
here’s the problem what about a 19 year
70:46
old in a 17 year old what level of
70:49
punishment are you prepared for that
70:53
it’s 19 year old to get I mean is that
71:00
pragmatic I guess so but tell that to
71:03
the person who’s in a cage and it put on
71:06
a sex offender list for the rest of
71:08
their life I would argue there has to be
71:10
some kind of flexibility there or some
71:12
kind of scale of offense at the very
71:14
least maybe we don’t like 19 and 17 but
71:18
you know it’s just a fine or something
71:22
and how do we enforce that like there’s
71:25
a lot of questions here um we just saw
71:29
where someone who was 17 and in a
71:30
consenting age / 2 plus 7 so okay so 38
71:41
19 + 26 that sounds a little bit better
71:46
I mean again I came to picture a 26 year
71:48
old but that’s just more like I don’t
71:49
know what I have in common whether it’s
71:51
not like it’s I find it creepy anyway um
71:54
yeah I mean these arbitrary numbers we
71:56
just saw where someone who was 17 and
71:58
then consenting sexual relationship with
72:00
a like a 24 year old or something he’s
72:02
like suing her and you know saying that
72:04
she you know molested him okay um anyway
72:12
so this was fun it’s a fun conversation
72:17
about abortion and age of consent
72:21
check me out next week where we talk for
72:23
an hour about circumcision we definitely
72:26
will not be doing that but no these are
72:29
good conversations to have I wasn’t
72:30
having them at the college but they were
72:33
good conversation to have so I’m gonna
72:35
wrap up and say one more thing wash your
72:37
hands please I have been incredibly
72:39
distressed by the sheer number of people
72:42
that I’ve heard from the past few weeks
72:46
a few days especially last couple weeks
72:49
who have just really shown it to render
72:51
Mountain
72:52
distrust about the fact that they
72:53
couldn’t find any hand soap or sanitizer
73:00
to which I I asked do you have any now
73:04
and people expressing distress at the
73:09
number of times that they’re expected to
73:10
wash their hands in a day that they
73:13
can’t touch the face after hugging
73:19
people and shaking hands and touching
73:21
things that other people have touched
73:23
and maybe I’m more fastidious than I
73:26
thought I was but goodness guys like
73:32
let’s just start washing our hands like
73:39
it shouldn’t have taken a novel highly
73:43
virulent virus for you to wash your
73:47
hands cuz there’s other diseases that
73:49
you can get that some are even worse
73:51
they’re more common but they’re like
73:54
worse a lot of them just maybe wash your
74:03
hands I don’t yeah I was just this is
74:06
I’m not sure what to say here I don’t
74:10
think this is a Jewish thing is this a
74:14
Jew is this like a Gentile thing that
74:16
not what I don’t think so I don’t I
74:18
don’t I don’t believe that’s the case I
74:21
think this might just be individuals who
74:24
didn’t learn the wash your hand song so
74:31
anyway just please wash your hands if
74:33
you’re gonna be around other people
74:33
please please please please do we
74:38
decimally you can wash your hands I’ve
74:39
been living a lot yes please do actually
74:41
um Brent says like wash them on a
74:44
regular basis not just a panda yeah like
74:46
like after this passes cuz it will pass
74:48
this disease will pass it’sit’s I think
74:52
that it has a fatality rate that is
74:54
south of two percent because I think
74:56
there’s way more people that have it
74:57
that just aren’t expressing symptoms and
75:00
probably never will which is good but it
75:02
also means that a lot more people have
75:03
it all this to say that
75:07
it will eventually pass everyone will
75:10
either get it or end up inoculated to it
75:12
there’s possible that there may be some
75:14
people with it does some kind of genetic
75:15
immunity although that’s very that’s
75:18
less calm possible because it is a an
75:20
animal derived illness that has not
75:23
become a human one it has not evolved
75:25
into being a human one yet like the cold
75:26
and the flu have so it’s very unlikely
75:29
that anyone is immune to it but
75:31
regardless there will eventually be a
75:33
vaccine hopefully the people that do
75:35
contract it end up with a very long
75:38
immunity like 5-10 years like similar to
75:40
like the measles as opposed to the flu
75:43
which only lasts for you know like a
75:45
year or a season so hopefully hopefully
75:49
you know that this will pass most of us
75:51
will survive one way or another I think
75:53
there’s gonna be some severe panic
75:54
possibly an economic depression that it
75:56
triggers but we are gonna make it out um
76:00
but just keep washing the hands I don’t
76:08
want you to have to pretend everything
76:09
around you is just swimming with
76:11
coronavirus just lousy with kovat but
76:15
maybe baby just do that for a week just
76:17
develop some new habits you know they
76:20
say that a habit is something you’ve
76:22
done I forget how many times Michael
76:24
maybe you have that equation 2 equation
76:25
2 about how many times you have to
76:27
repeat something before it’s a habit do
76:30
it that number of times like just please
76:33
wash your hands and your body like wash
76:36
your body to wash your body um let’s see
76:42
what here Michael Ritz do you think the
76:44
scale of reaction to this virus is
76:45
warranted considering the economic
76:47
damage that has occurred depends on who
76:50
you’re asking I think that most people
76:53
alternate between apathy and panic our
76:57
normalcy bias leads us to say Oh
77:01
everything’s fine that could never
77:03
happen here we see it happen in China
77:05
oh well that’s China that could never
77:07
happen here then we see it happening in
77:10
in Italy South Korea we say yeah but
77:15
that could never happen here then we see
77:18
that it’s happening in Washington and on
77:20
cruise ships and we say well yeah but
77:26
not here let me see it’s happening in
77:29
New York City and Seattle I already said
77:33
Seattle anyway we see it’s happening
77:34
closer and closer more and more and we
77:37
go yeah but that could never happen here
77:41
and then we hit a point where we go
77:43
uh-oh time to go buy all the toilet
77:46
paper and hand sanitizer and milk and
77:50
bread surely I’ll be ok and they freak
77:54
out and people start panicking and
77:56
losing their minds
77:57
and then when it looks like things calm
77:58
down people go oh good I’ll never have
78:00
to worry about this or anything like it
78:02
ever again because that could never
78:03
happen here not again
78:05
so these are coping mechanisms they’re
78:08
not very good ones but they do exist so
78:12
your question do I think the scale of
78:13
reaction I think the government
78:15
completely botched this I think the
78:18
government completely botched this there
78:21
was this idea that it could be kept from
78:23
coming here even though there were
78:25
already people here that have it even
78:27
though it can live for like a week and a
78:29
half on surfaces in in ideal conditions
78:33
but even in not ideal conditions it can
78:35
live for like a day or two as opposed to
78:38
the flu which even in the best
78:41
conditions I think can last like 12
78:42
hours and in typical conditions lasts
78:44
about 15 minutes it lasts a long time on
78:47
stuff someone can sneeze on something in
78:50
ambient temperature and it will still be
78:52
alive on that thing it sneezed on they
78:54
sneezed on a couple days later it can
78:59
take up to 14 days for people to have
79:01
any symptoms and unlike some of the
79:05
other corona viruses that are similar
79:07
they can start spreading it before they
79:09
have symptoms so they can touch
79:13
something without any symptoms never
79:16
even having any symptoms touch something
79:20
someone else touches it
79:23
and then they touch their face and now
79:25
they’ve got it so it is a very Tom Hanks
79:31
has coronavirus goodness the
79:37
vice-president of Iran got it I think
79:40
the Pope got it they’re saying he didn’t
79:42
get it he got it um all this to say that
79:45
oh and so what you’re also experiencing
79:52
is the fact that we were on a very very
79:53
very very big bubble not just in the
79:57
market in the stock market but in the
79:59
economy in general we have had effective
80:01
negative tax rates for a really really
80:03
really long time and this was just the
80:08
perfect thing to just force everything
80:10
to slow down and make everyone go uh-oh
80:13
this economy isn’t as solid as we
80:15
thought it was so I think depending on
80:21
what we’re talking about oh by the way
80:23
we’re being told you know what is it
80:25
maybe a thousand people in the US have
80:27
it that’s because that’s who they’re
80:28
they’re only testing a handful of people
80:30
if 700 people had it on the diamond
80:33
Princess cruise ship one cruise ship
80:36
I’m telling you well more than a
80:38
thousand people already have it in the
80:40
US I’m guessing that something like a
80:41
hundred thousand people are more already
80:43
avid in the US and the reason I’m saying
80:46
that is because the u.s. combined is
80:50
testing I think like as recently as a
80:52
week or so ago like a thousand people a
80:55
day or something like that and a lot of
80:57
them are coming back positive I think if
81:00
they were testing everyone right now or
81:01
at least everyone that was sick I think
81:03
we would know way more people have it
81:06
and again those are just the ones that
81:08
are sick eighty percent of people have
81:10
little to no symptoms so I’m thinking we
81:13
might already have a million people to
81:14
have it the good news is that means
81:16
it’ll spread faster we’ll realize that
81:18
most people that have it are going to be
81:19
fine and there won’t be as much panic
81:20
the bad news is that the hospital system
81:24
isn’t even close to being able to handle
81:27
that many people getting it all at once
81:29
and so the idea of containment is that
81:31
you keep the amount of people who have
81:33
it at any given time you let it you try
81:35
to make it more of a slogan
81:36
by keeping people away from each other
81:38
and try to keep this number of people
81:40
that need hospitalization down as low as
81:42
possible that keeps fatalities lower by
81:44
not forcing people to not be able to get
81:46
to the hospital and by also not you know
81:48
leading to a higher rate of you know
81:51
sloppy things happening at the hospital
81:53
which leads to health care workers
81:54
getting sick which means now there are
81:56
even fewer people that can help people
81:57
blah blah blah by not testing people and
82:00
by instead focusing on we’re gonna keep
82:03
it away from our borders even though it
82:05
was already here and we know it can be
82:08
spread without anyone even knowing it
82:10
that was a major major tactical error so
82:14
I think government as government is want
82:16
to do completely botched it completely
82:19
screwed the old Korona poodle there and
82:21
I think a lot of Americans are either
82:24
freaking out or being apathetic to it
82:27
and there’s very little in between to it
82:29
so I don’t I don’t know what to tell you
82:33
you’re saying we can’t produce the test
82:38
kits fast enough to test everyone
82:42
because we started real late tests kids
82:46
have been available since like the end
82:50
of January or middle of January so there
82:56
were some botching here and I’m not
82:57
saying all those those Trump this would
82:59
have been fine if Hillary had been Pratt
83:01
I’m not saying that I’m saying the
83:02
government did some bad ideas
83:05
I think Trump’s said some stupid things
83:07
but I’m not sure how much that’s
83:09
affected actual policy I think the
83:11
government got caught flat-footed
83:15
because this illness is a perfect storm
83:18
thankfully has a low if this if this had
83:21
a higher fatality rate it would be like
83:27
the movie Contagion already it
83:30
thankfully has a fairly low a fairly low
83:35
fatality rate unfortunately it’s pretty
83:37
high with with the elderly it’s very
83:41
very low like almost none with kids
83:44
which is great for the kids it’s great
83:45
that kids aren’t getting sick the kids
83:49
feel great and they’re going around
83:50
spreading it everywhere because kids are
83:51
the dirtiest people like children are
83:54
dirtier than everyone else they put
83:56
their hands in their mouths and they go
83:58
and touch everything and and because
83:59
they feel fine and their parents think
84:01
that they’re fine you know they’re
84:03
running around and incubating and and
84:05
and and making each other sick which I
84:07
think all the schools should already be
84:08
shut down like why that hasn’t happened
84:10
already I don’t know because they’re
84:12
just that might as well be at Diamond
84:14
every single one of those schools is a
84:15
diamond Princess cruise as far as I’m
84:17
concerned every single one of those
84:18
freaking kids gonna get it so yeah fun
84:23
stuff guys and with that I’d like to
84:27
invite you to all right like to thank
84:30
you for joining me on this episode this
84:32
amazing episode where we talked about
84:34
freaking abortion age of consent and
84:36
disease just a cheerful episode guys so
84:42
I’m going to be this weekend speaking of
84:44
not being around people this weekend I’m
84:46
gonna be at the Libertarian Party of
84:47
Virginia convention hand bumping and B
84:50
hand bumping I can be doing a lot of
84:52
personal touching but I will be there
84:57
representing the vermin spike 2020
85:00
campaign for Team supreme so if you’re
85:03
going to the lpv a convention be sure to
85:05
come out and say hi to me get a little
85:07
fist bump maybe even just a nice nod
85:09
just not even touching just give me a
85:11
nice nod but this nod maybe a nice
85:13
namaste do a nice namaste for each other
85:16
I see you and do not want us to touch
85:20
each other and then be sure to check us
85:26
out on Tuesday for the muddy waters of
85:28
freedom were Matt right and I parsed
85:30
through the week’s events and cover the
85:33
newest round of Bernie getting screwed
85:35
out of the nomination by the Democratic
85:37
National Convention and then tune in
85:41
next week on Wednesday for my fellow
85:44
Americans where I will be continuing
85:47
this parsing through the going through
85:51
the libertarian party platform and I
85:53
definitely know where I left off because
85:55
it was abortion so thanks again for
85:58
tuning in guys great to have you Oh
86:01
Chris Reynolds
86:03
I’ve already fallen on the sword Chris
86:05
Chris Reynolds is bringing up the fact
86:07
that I initially said that we had
86:08
nothing to worry about when it came to
86:09
this virus I was wrong I was wrong
86:14
because I assumed that it had a similar
86:17
virality similar way that it spread as
86:20
SARS and MERS the other main novel
86:23
coronaviruses that we’ve experienced but
86:27
a lower fatality rate based on that I
86:29
thought well it’ll be easy to contain
86:33
because if someone has symptoms they get
86:37
contained this one’s a lot different it
86:40
stays alive longer outside of the body
86:42
and you can spread it without having
86:45
symptoms so that’s a problem so I was
86:52
wrong about that I was right overall
86:54
about what I said
86:55
past that wash your hands anyway don’t
86:59
be dirty and you’re still again I will
87:04
still say this you are more likely to
87:05
die have a whole lot of other stuff so
87:07
if you’re eating a bunch of comfort food
87:08
right now to make you feel better about
87:10
this coronavirus outbreak you were
87:12
contributing to the thing that’s more
87:14
than likely to kill you which is heart
87:16
disease so or if you’re smoking more
87:20
because you’re worried about coronavirus
87:22
first of all you’re weakening your
87:23
immune system which will make you more
87:24
susceptible to corona by virus second of
87:26
all you’re more likely contributing to
87:28
the thing that’s much more likely to
87:29
kill you
87:30
which is cancer so I was right
87:35
overall about how you should react to
87:37
this I was wrong about how serious it
87:42
was because I was making assumptions
87:45
based on what other coronaviruses were
87:49
like in terms of what it could spread
87:50
but I’m still seeing the same thing in
87:53
terms of what you should do don’t panic
87:55
get some supplies
87:59
stop touching your face unless you’ve
88:02
already washed your hands wash your
88:04
hands sanitize your hands when you’re
88:06
out and can’t wash your hands if you
88:08
touch something sanitize your hands if
88:10
you touch another person sanitize your
88:12
hands when you can get to somewhere to
88:14
wash your hands wash your hands
88:17
these are all good ideas maybe don’t eat
88:20
food that’s been prepared by strangers
88:22
like these are all good things that I
88:26
already was doing cuz I apparently am
88:28
OCD and didn’t realize I’m apparently a
88:30
freak because I’ve already been doing
88:33
all these things so who’s laughing now I
88:36
guess anyway guys thanks again for
88:39
tuning in I will see you very soon and
88:43
God bless
88:46
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Spike Cohen
Spike Cohen
Local Jew. Contrarian stoic sentimentalist. Antidisestablishmentarianism. Will pet your dog.