(((My Fellow Americans))) #60: Hey Kids! Wash Your Hands With Spike

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tuning in tonight and thank you for the
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fact that I’m back because it’s been
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like three weeks or something like that
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and boy have I missed all of you it has
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been absolutely amazing campaigning
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getting over possibly the corona virus I
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think I just had the flu but I was
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really sick for like three weeks that
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was a lot of two weeks that was a lot of
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fun just all sorts of fun stuff that’s
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Nimmons always guys tonight’s episode is
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a lot of fun all my episodes are fun but
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this episode this episode makes all
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those other episodes look like garbage
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I shouldn’t say that I shouldn’t say
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that all of my episodes are equally
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amazing except for this one which is
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just a little bit better a little bit
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better just slightly better and ya know
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this is gonna be a good episode we’re
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gonna talk about the updates to the
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Furman supreme spike komen campaign let
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me show you that graphic again because
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who doesn’t love that crap
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who doesn’t love this more of this we’re
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gonna show you some updates to that
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including my recent pound the pavement
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event tour of the of UNC Greensboro and
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also and we’re gonna go through some of
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the we’re gonna start a thing where
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we’re going to talk about the
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libertarian platform I get asked a lot
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well ok great
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the zombies and the ponies and and the
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the toothbrushing and all that that’s
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awesome but like what about what do you
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actually think about things and the
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answer is we’re libertarians and we
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believe in libertarianism and people ask
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what does that mean and I gave a short
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answer about self ownership and things
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like that but I’ve been asked like well
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what do you think about X what do you
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think about Y possibly what do you even
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think about Z or Zed if you’re Canadian
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and so I figured I would get into get
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into that with this episode and start
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talking about and what I’m going to do
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is actually go through the platform and
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the Libertarian Party platform bit by
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bit show what they have to say about it
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and then explain what we have what we
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think about that and what that actually
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means because it’s great for me to read
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off a paragraph and say that’s what I
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think and then if you say yeah but what
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does that mean and I go well let me read
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it again that’s kind of pointless so I’m
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actually gonna go through what I think
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about that I’ll be taking any questions
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anyone has and any questions anyone has
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I might actually I might actually turn
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on the phone calls if I get feedback in
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the comments that you guys want to make
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some phone calls then I will turn that
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on but yeah so let’s get started
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we had a an absolutely amazing time
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these past few weeks we went to we were
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in New Hampshire and had an amazing time
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up in New Hampshire at the primaries got
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to meet a bunch of tulsi people and
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young people and and Bernie people and
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and that’s paying off because what’s
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happening is those people will the young
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people and especially already but but
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now we’re seeing what the Bernie people
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are realizing that the Democratic
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Party’s gonna screw them and try to
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shove Joe Biden down their throat
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and you know that’s a that’s a problem
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obviously because he doesn’t represent
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anything that y’all believe he’s
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essentially a different flavoring of
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Donald Trump as was Mike Bloomberg and
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and so now that you’re seeing what the
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Democrat Party is going to give you from
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it supreme would like us to would like
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you to know that we love you we support
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you and we present to you a amazing
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opportunity to give a gigantic middle
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finger to both the Democratic National
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Convention our National Committee in the
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convention and also your boomer
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grandparents we’re just really giving
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you a chance to just piss off a maximum
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number of people in a very impressively
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short period of time and so so we had a
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good time there and then I got really
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sick which was fun it’s fun to get sick
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especially when everyone’s talking about
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coronavirus so I was very sick for like
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the better part of a week and a half
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feeling at pretty much at a hundred
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percent now so that’s good but so this
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last or actually what two days ago we
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went to the I was at the UNC Greensboro
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to help the Libertarian Party of
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Tennessee our Libertarian Party of North
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Carolina and the Libertarian Party of
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UNCG who was starting a student
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affiliate there at the campus and
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basically what I did show some pictures
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here I went around oh I guess my
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graphics in the way there I went around
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and we went around and and basically
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talked to this talk to the students
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there there’s a nice picture of me
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talked to the students there and listen
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to what they had to say about what they
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thought about different subjects found
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out what they you know what their
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thoughts and hopes and dreams were what
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their fears were we opened by asking
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people we said we we have a very simple
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question for you and that question was
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do you own yourself do you think that
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you own yourself and we got a lot of
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really interesting answers to that
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everything from yes of course I own
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myself to know actually I don’t think I
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own myself to I’m not sure a lot of
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people were very introspective some
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people thought it was a trick question
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but no we were actually asking do you
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yourself do you think that you own
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yourself and your and your body and and
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your your life and your labor and your
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property and and most people said yes we
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got a lot of different answers and then
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we talked to them about the fact that
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you know libertarians
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we believe you do own yourself we
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believe that there are some people that
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are in power that clearly think that
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they own you and Oh photos by Steven
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Messina by the way he will let you know
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in the comments that he did these he did
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these photos but photos by Steven
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mussina mussina at Messina photography
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and this was just done on my phone so
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imagine what he could do with like an
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actual camera which for whatever reason
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he didn’t have seen a photography and so
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ya know we we talked with quite a few
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people there and and talk to them about
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self ownership talk to them about the
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things that that the goals that we have
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as libertarians to help to help them and
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others a few people actually wanted to
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talk quite a bit we had we had some
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folks that we talked to for 10-15
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minutes had had a few times that there
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were actually groups that formed that
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that you know wanted to talk more about
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specific subjects and so it was a really
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really fantastic event we signed a
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sign-up price spoke with I don’t know
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hundreds of people I spoke with probably
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about a hundred people and in Naughton
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that day and we also signed up as you
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can see there we signed up a bunch of
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people to the LP UNCG and yeah helped
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change the conversation on campus and
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what we’ve seen is that most students
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right now are kind of forming their
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opinions about things which makes sense
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you know this is their first time as
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young adults and especially if they’re
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living on campus or living away from
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home they’re really forming themselves
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as adults and that includes their belief
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system so this is the best time to reach
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out to them and you know they’re getting
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a lot of really authoritarian ideologies
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thrown at them right now which is a
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problem because they know that the
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current system doesn’t work
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the problem is mostly what they’re
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hearing is a doubling and tripling down
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on what has gotten us where we are right
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now they know that our Caronia system
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has failed
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them they know that they’re not making
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much more than their parents or
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grandparents did at their age and the
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cost of living is 10 or even a hundred
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times higher than it was when when you
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know when they’re their parents and
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grandparents were their age and and you
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know if you look at housing it’s it’s in
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some cases close to a hundred times more
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to buy a home as it was when they’re you
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know grandparents whose telling him to
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pull themselves up by their bootstraps
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when they were that age and and and you
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know the cost of gas is more the cost of
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food is more the cost of education is
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obviously more the cost of health care
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is obviously more and so they’re hearing
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some solutions to that that are very
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authoritarian that do not address
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people’s self-ownership they just want
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to further collectivise things and
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further centrally-planned things and and
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you know as libertarians we know that
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that’s a problem that that makes things
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worse that when you give those
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organizations that created this problem
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and made it worse even more power then
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you’re gonna get more of what you don’t
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like and you know they’re hearing it
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from Democratic socialists they’re
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hearing it from in some cases the all
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right and conservative groups but what
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they’re hearing is the problem is that
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government needs to have more control of
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X whatever that X is people on the right
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are saying that it’s you know the
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problem is you know a lack of you know
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morality or that the you know the
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immigrants are taking their jobs or you
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know or or often proposing a lot of the
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same things that the left is proposing
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people on the Left are saying that the
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problem is is greedy businesses which is
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true to an extent but it’s greedy
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businesses that are lined up at the
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trough of government and and using the
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centralized power that that government
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has has you know basically given itself
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granted itself to become rich without
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having to actually provide any value to
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the market and so we were able to have
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some really good really good
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conversations an interesting thing that
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we had there was that there were
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probably more people there who knew who
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vermin supreme was then who knew what
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the Libertarian Party was and that is
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not uncommon that is especially among
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students that’s not uncommon that he
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actually has outsized influence there
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and so I actually have a video here of
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someone that we met named
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Ava who and her boyfriend John who knew
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who vermin was right away just by
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looking at my pin so I’m gonna I’m gonna
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show that show that video everybody
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spike calling here we have been out at
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UNC Greensboro talking with the students
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here we talked to our AP and John and
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Ava has had some amazing questions
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something we’d like to note that we talk
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about a lot is bourbon supreme to
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outreach with the youth and his
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popularity with young voters when I came
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over what was the first thing you said
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to me like she likes my pick bourbon
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spring
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get it on pin see it’s a pin you got you
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got the pin there we got we good with
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the pin good alright so you know
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everybody knows bourbon supreme
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everybody so I hope we’re driving okay
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if you want to outreach to the youth
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urban supreme I didn’t even have to
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mention his name and I have been
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mentioning his name all day hey I’m
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doing my show you want to be on my show
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if what is it good
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okay let’s do it several a few hundred
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people are gonna hear whatever this is
17:13
hole in one second we’re just playing a
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video right now I just realized you guys
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can hear me I have a special guest whose
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name hey Kim actually I’m just gonna
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have you do this rather than have you go
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I have Kim ruff see this is Kim ruff you
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can’t see what her number is but I have
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Kim ruff here on the phone live on on my
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fellow Americans
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Kim ruff who is was arguably the
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front-runner for the presidential
17:46
nomination before she dropped out and
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decided that I was the best possible
17:50
person on the face of the planet to run
17:53
for vice president and it was so
17:55
overwhelming it was so overwhelming that
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she simply said I I cannot I mean I’m
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paraphrasing but this is correct right
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you know between the triple parentheses
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in the Obermann
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I might be confusing some people on this
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show so Hitler was wrong this is
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definitely how I want the show to go Kim
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so I I heard that you have some
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fantastic news like a gone but not
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forgotten for Kim ruff Wow I’m I’m sold
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on this idea
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I am absolutely sold on this idea oh god
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dad um I might skip I might skip that
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part because that might be a little too
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soon at that point so we’re gonna so
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we’re gonna spit ball this a little bit
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more before we we’re gonna storyboard
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this a bit it’s we’re definitely it is
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def it is definitely a thought and we’re
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definitely gonna workshop this it’s just
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a smidge it might it might be it might
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just be Owen Brent to Ritter says he
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would play the recorder to that photo
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montage is that a thing that girl we can
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get that girl that’s crying on the phone
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everywhere Liberty I don’t know how
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we’re gonna find a white woman at a
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libertarian convention but I’ll
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certainly try let’s definitely try that
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so Brent’s gonna Brent’s gonna nail it
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with the recorder Brent can you play my
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heart will go on
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poorly yeah like at attune yeah I
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increasingly like this idea not a
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hundred percent married to the
21:12
coronavirus part other than that right
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well we have yeah we you you’ve done
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that here so so that you made the joke
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here in front of
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for Anna quite a few people and and so
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you’ve got that going for you if this
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means you’ll actually come to Austin
21:51
then yes we’ll even do the coronavirus
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bar here and we just like we like shot
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we keeps rushing you
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we keep special excuse me excuse me
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madam we’re trying to be trying to we’re
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trying to mourn Tim RUF here she was
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very important to us
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yeah can you can you show a little
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decorum right yeah excuse me can we show
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a little decorum here madam please thank
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you so Brent says he only no that would
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be oh well that would save that would
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save that that would say that Matt said
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he can find us a generic Matt Hicks said
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he can find us a generic generic white
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woman mourner Brent a de Ridder says he
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only knows the lion sleeps tonight which
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I think will work yeah that is better
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yeah yeah this is I like that part I can
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do I can falsetto the beginning and then
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after that we’ll do the recorder I like
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this is a generic way that nothing weird
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yeah nothing weird right exactly exactly
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so ya know I think that that’s a great
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idea and we’re definitely gonna move
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forward on that no this is actually
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perfect this is perfect and this just
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further underscores guys how why I need
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to be the next vice president
23:51
who else is getting calls from Kim Roth
23:53
about silliness know like like I would
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never I would never joke about this no
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yeah I mean I would never be so I would
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never be so flippant about something so
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serious ya know my sense of humor is way
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less dry than yours and that makes me
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better yeah so hey um you want me to
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call you after the show
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god bless god bless america
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that’s that’s the new quote from kimra
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I’m gonna put that up in hashtag god
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Bless America god bless america
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I’ll talk to you soon all right bye Kim
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ruff Kim ruff Jakob LaBelle I know she
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was just amazing I miss her so much
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oh by the way everyone please pray for
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Jacob who is not feeling well and we
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hope is just dealing with the flu that’s
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what we’re hoping or a cold really like
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a really bad cold that’s what we’re
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hoping that was but uh yeah so I have no
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idea what I was even talking about Oh
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UNCG see ya guys we we had a great great
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time at UNCG really you know every time
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we do one of these events it just
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underscores how important it is to to
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you know reach people where they are and
25:41
and not try to you know expect people to
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show up at our stuff actually reach them
25:49
where they are whether it’s on campus
25:50
whether it is you know add an event of
25:53
theirs or something like that we’re just
25:55
knocking on doors and talking with
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people you know it’s it that’s how you
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have to reach people is where they are
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and that’s how you add
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we make a difference so that’s what we
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did this that’s what we did this Monday
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and guys if you want us to come to your
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your campus me and or vermin to come to
26:16
your campus just reach out to me I am on
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Twitter at real spike Cohen and I’m on
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Facebook at facebook.com slash literally
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spike Cohen and I would love to or you
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can inbox Muddy Waters however you’re
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watching us now we’d love to meet you
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guys we’d love to come out and and we’d
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love to try to schedule that so now
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we’re gonna be doing a bit of a segment
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we’re not going to get too far into it
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because this is gonna be a shorter show
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but we’re gonna start doing where I
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talked about the talking about the
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platform the libertarian platform and
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what it actually means so that when
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people ask us what does you know what
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what do libertarians actually think
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about things we can we can answer that
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and and not just give some you know
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basic answer about all what we believe
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in self ownership which is good for most
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of the time but it’s not really good
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when someone wants a specific about what
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we think about something there we go
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so we’ll get started what I’m gonna do
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is actually just be reading from the
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libertarian party platform and we’ll
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start with 1.0 and go all the way down
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to eventually all the way down to
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four-point whatever it is where is that
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yeah whatever it’s not working with me
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it’s and it’s gonna it’ll be over the
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course of a few episodes and then I’ll
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probably cut it into snippet so that
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it’ll be something a little bit more
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digestible for people but basically
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talking about what we actually believe
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as libertarians and so let’s get started
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with that right now so the very first
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part of the libertarian platform is
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section 1.0 personal liberty it says
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individuals are inherently free to make
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choices for themselves and must accept
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responsibility for the consequences of
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the choices they make our support of an
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individual’s right to make choices in
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life does not mean that we necessarily
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approve or disapprove of those choices
28:11
no individual group or government may
28:14
rightly initiate force against any other
28:16
individual group or government
28:18
right Aryans reject the notion that
28:20
groups have any rent rights we support
28:23
the rights of the smallest minority the
28:25
individual so let’s say that in a little
28:28
bit in fact let’s let’s go ahead to the
28:30
next part of that of what exactly that
28:32
means because it gets into each part one
28:33
point one self ownership individuals own
28:36
their bodies and have rights over them
28:38
that other individuals groups and
28:40
governments may not violate individuals
28:42
have the freedom and responsibility to
28:44
decide what they knowingly and
28:45
voluntarily consume and what risks they
28:47
accept to their own health finances
28:49
safety or life let’s go back a little
28:51
bit to what self ownership means a lot
28:55
of people will say well because I’ll say
28:57
libertarians believe that you own
28:59
yourself and one of the most common
29:02
answers all one of the most common
29:03
questions I’ll get is well how do we
29:06
know that how do we know that you own
29:07
yourself that sounds good that sounds
29:10
like a good idea but why do you think
29:12
that why do you think you own yourself
29:13
other than you would like to own
29:15
yourself so the answer I give it’s
29:18
probably not a perfect answer but what I
29:20
say is this why do you think we all
29:24
recognize or pretty much all of us if
29:26
you’re not a psychopath recognize that
29:29
murder is wrong it’s bad why why do you
29:37
think that I think it but why do you
29:38
think it and your answer might be well
29:41
because it ends the life okay why is
29:45
that bad why do you believe that’s bad I
29:48
know why I believe that’s bad but why do
29:49
you believe that’s bad
29:50
and sometimes people get tripped up on
29:53
it because they haven’t really examined
29:54
this stuff of course murder is wrong you
29:55
can’t kill people why well there’s a
30:00
good reason for that when you take
30:03
something and for that matter why is
30:05
theft wrong why is rape wrong why are
30:09
any of these things where you are taking
30:10
something from someone whether it’s
30:12
their life their body their autonomy
30:15
their ability to choose something their
30:18
property if you’re stealing from them
30:20
why are those things wrong well we
30:25
believe as libertarians that it’s
30:27
because it is a violation of your
30:29
ownership of these things that you and
30:32
err
30:32
they own these things and that we
30:33
innately recognize that taking from
30:37
those things without permission without
30:40
consent so if I if I take something from
30:42
you because you’ve said you know please
30:44
have this or oh you know if you give me
30:48
this much money I’ll give that to you
30:49
then if I’m taking something from you
30:52
with your consent that’s different it’s
30:53
actually really you’re giving it to me
30:54
but if I take without your consent if I
30:56
am taking from you then I have violated
30:59
your self ownership
31:00
I have aggressed upon you and in doing
31:04
so I have created an aggression against
31:08
you and it’s a coercion against you and
31:09
it’s a bad thing and so we believe as
31:11
libertarians if you if you distill down
31:14
what we believe about everything and
31:15
when I go through these different you
31:17
know parts of the platform I’m always
31:18
gonna be referring back to self
31:20
ownership and why it why it goes you
31:23
know why it goes further into into you
31:26
know what why that applies to what we’re
31:27
talking about on that subject so with
31:30
self ownership it’s it’s very basic you
31:32
own yourself which means you own your
31:34
body if you own yourself then you must
31:35
own your body and you must own your life
31:37
and if you own your body and your life
31:40
well then you should own what you’re
31:42
doing with your body so your labor the
31:44
things that you do you must own that and
31:46
if you own your labor well then that
31:48
would mean that you own the product of
31:49
your labor if you do a certain amount of
31:51
work and you get something in exchange
31:52
then you own that which means it’s your
31:55
property you own your property you own
31:57
your life you’re on your body you own
31:59
your labor you own your autonomy your
32:02
choice to make things to make decisions
32:03
and if anyone tries to take that from
32:06
you it’s wrong
32:07
even if bare with me here because this
32:11
you know it’s a bit of a hypothetical
32:12
even if someone is trying to take from
32:15
you who’s hanging out in a fancy marble
32:17
building and writing things down on
32:20
fancy-looking sheets of paper and
32:22
putting piece of pieces of metal on
32:24
other people and ordering them to go rob
32:27
you that’s still theft if you strip away
32:31
the pretense and the pageantry from that
32:34
you’re left with people who are engaging
32:37
in behaviors that are no different than
32:39
that of any other violent thief so if I
32:43
come to your door
32:45
and put a gun to your head and say give
32:48
me all your money that’s wrong we
32:50
recognize that’s wrong if me and a group
32:53
of five people come to your house and
32:55
say give me all your money
32:58
that’s wrong and not just give me your
33:01
money if I tell you to do anything if I
33:04
for try to force you to do anything
33:05
under the threat of harm then that’s
33:07
wrong if me a group of five people five
33:12
people ten people whatever hire someone
33:14
to come to your house and put a gun to
33:15
your head and say you know do whatever
33:17
give me your money or do what I tell you
33:19
to do that’s wrong violates your self
33:22
ownership if a group of several hundred
33:27
people hire hundreds of thousands of
33:30
people to go around and enforce things
33:33
that they wrote on sheets of paper
33:34
essentially putting a gun to your head
33:36
if you don’t that’s also wrong so self
33:42
ownership means that Authority proper
33:44
authority resides in you yourself as the
33:47
individual so that is what that means
33:49
when we talk about when we talk about
33:52
the what self ownership is so the next
33:56
part is expression and communication 1.2
34:00
and it says we support the full freedom
34:03
of expression and oppose government
34:04
censorship regulation or control of
34:07
communications media and technology we
34:09
favor the freedom to engage in or
34:11
abstain from any religious activities
34:13
that do not violate the rights of others
34:14
we oppose government actions which
34:17
either aid or attack any religion again
34:20
if you own yourself you own your
34:23
thoughts and you own your speech that
34:27
means that you are free to say what you
34:29
wish to say and no government no
34:32
coercive entity should force you not to
34:37
speak now that doesn’t mean that you
34:41
aren’t responsible for the four-year
34:44
action so for example if I say really
34:46
terrible things and a bunch of other
34:48
people don’t like me for it and they
34:51
tell others hey look this guy said this
34:52
these terrible things you know let’s not
34:55
associate with him and let’s tell others
34:56
not to meet you know to be sure not to
34:58
associate with him
34:59
that’s not censorship that’s you
35:02
suffering the consequences positive or
35:04
negative of the things that you say if
35:06
you say things that others find edifying
35:10
or at least tolerable then you’re gonna
35:13
suffer positive consequences if you say
35:16
terrible things then you’re gonna suffer
35:18
negative consequences now positive and
35:21
bad are somewhat subjective so you’re
35:23
free to decide even if you you know
35:26
believe things that the majority of
35:28
people don’t believe you’re free to say
35:29
those things and those people are free
35:32
to respond accordingly this doesn’t mean
35:35
incidentally that you have the right to
35:40
someone else’s labor so for example if
35:43
you’re on a free social media platform
35:45
or a paid social media platform and you
35:48
engage in things that violate their
35:49
Terms and this private organization
35:51
tells you we don’t want you on our
35:53
platform anymore you’re not welcome on
35:56
their platform anymore the fact that you
35:58
have a right to speak doesn’t entitle
36:01
you to their labor or their property
36:03
because they own that and so that is
36:07
these are the basic concepts of self
36:09
ownership expressed in these different
36:11
ideas so here’s the next one
36:14
privacy and it says libertarians
36:17
advocate individual privacy and
36:19
government transparency we are committed
36:22
to ending government’s practice of
36:23
spying on everyone
36:24
we support the rights recognized by the
36:26
Fourth Amendment to be secure in our
36:28
persons homes property and
36:30
communications protections from
36:32
unreasonable search and seizure should
36:34
include records held by third parties
36:36
such as email medical and library
36:40
records privacy we have the opposite of
36:44
that right now it said we what is it we
36:46
we advocate individual privacy and
36:48
government transparency we actually have
36:50
the opposite of that now government is
36:52
incredibly private we know very little
36:54
about what they’re doing we often find
36:56
stuff out after the cat after the the
36:59
fact you know when there’s nothing we
37:01
can do about it
37:02
it often follows the same it also it
37:06
often follows the same pattern where you
37:09
know we find out that they’ve been doing
37:11
the same thing ten years from now that
37:13
we found out before that they had been
37:15
doing ten years before and then for some
37:17
reason we’re expected not to think
37:18
they’re still doing that anyway that’s
37:19
another subject we though have to live
37:23
under total transparency if you watched
37:26
my show last night the muddy waters of
37:28
freedom with Matt right and I we were
37:31
talking about the fact that there are
37:33
now these geofencing warrants where when
37:36
a crime is committed or a suspected
37:37
crime is committed the police now get a
37:39
warrant for every bit of information
37:41
within a certain square radius of where
37:44
the crime committed so if you just
37:47
happen to go for a certain period of
37:48
time from like Google and and and all of
37:51
these different platforms that you know
37:52
record all of your comings and goings on
37:55
these on these on these devices we carry
37:57
around all the time and so there are
37:59
people getting caught up in in warrants
38:01
that did absolutely nothing they weren’t
38:04
they just happen to be with a not you
38:06
know a block of when something happened
38:09
and so you know not only are they being
38:11
summoned and sometimes arrested
38:13
unreasonably we talked about two cases
38:15
one a Breaking and Entering and one a
38:17
murder
38:18
um that that the people were wrongfully
38:21
arrested and thankfully were found out
38:23
to be you know to be not guilty but in
38:26
the meantime the government had all of
38:28
their information which I doubt they
38:30
ever got rid of and so we believe again
38:32
if you own yourself then you own your
38:35
privacy and so we we believe that
38:38
government you know for those of us who
38:40
some of us many of us including myself
38:42
don’t believe government should exist in
38:44
the first place because they only exists
38:46
to aggress upon people and to coerce
38:49
people and draw people in to harm people
38:50
it’s only purpose is to serve as a
38:52
violent monopoly and any of the services
38:55
that it provides that are actually
38:56
useful are things that would be better
38:58
provided in an open free market by
39:00
competing providers who don’t have a gun
39:02
to your head forcing you to do it or pay
39:04
for it so but for those of us who do
39:07
think there should be a government at
39:08
the very least we think that government
39:10
should be very transparent and that it
39:12
should be it should respect your privacy
39:14
you should be the one not having to tell
39:17
them things they should be the ones
39:18
telling you everything that’s going on
39:21
and of course if they weren’t able to be
39:24
private they wouldn’t do have to
39:27
stuff that they’re doing because we’d
39:29
know about it and would demand that they
39:31
stop Oh Fotini you’re asking about about
39:35
presumably about abortion we’re actually
39:37
going to be getting into that shortly
39:39
and on not this next one but the one
39:43
after that one point for personal
39:47
relationships sexual orientation
39:49
preference gender or gender identity
39:51
should have no impact on the
39:54
government’s treatment of individuals
39:55
such as in current marriage child
39:57
custody adoption immigration or military
40:01
service laws government does not have
40:03
the authority to define promote license
40:07
or restrict personal relationships
40:09
regardless of the number of participants
40:11
consenting adults should be free to
40:14
choose their own sexual practices and
40:16
personal relationships personal
40:18
relationships until such time as the
40:21
government stops its illegitimate
40:22
practice of marriage licensing such
40:24
licenses must be granted to all
40:27
consenting adults who apply the easiest
40:31
way to deal with this is for government
40:33
to not be licensing marriage the roots
40:37
of marriage licenses were originally and
40:41
it depends on the country because they
40:42
happen at different times for different
40:44
reasons but the two main things were to
40:47
make sure that highborn people people in
40:50
the aristocracy did not marry lowborn
40:53
people commoners and so in order to be
40:56
approved for a license you had to
40:59
demonstrate that they were in your same
41:02
class other times that it was instituted
41:04
was to make sure people of different
41:06
races didn’t get married so they would
41:09
actually verify that you were both white
41:11
or that you were both black or you were
41:12
both whatever or at least that you
41:14
weren’t that if you were a white person
41:17
you were marrying another white person
41:18
they may not have cared if a black
41:20
person married a Hispanic person but
41:22
they definitely cared if a white person
41:25
marry did another white person or wasn’t
41:28
marrying another white person there’s no
41:31
reason for government to be licensing
41:32
marriage at all and by just removing
41:36
marriage licenses completely it does
41:40
away with
41:41
you know for those who have religious
41:42
objections to you know to you know to
41:48
same-sex marriages or polygamous
41:50
marriages or or any of these these you
41:52
know different types of you know
41:55
different types of marriage arrangements
41:56
that that people might have objections
41:58
to and then we don’t want their taxpayer
42:01
dollars paying for licenses to be
42:03
granted form okay great so let’s just
42:05
get rid of marriage licenses I mean
42:07
historically there weren’t marriage
42:08
licenses you got married marriage was a
42:11
a way for families to build resources
42:14
together we’ve turned it into a romantic
42:15
thing do I want to go down that wormhole
42:17
about marriages yeah probably not
42:19
anyway whatever reason you choose to get
42:22
married there’s no real reason for
42:25
government to be involved in it at all
42:26
so there’s there’s just no reason for
42:29
that
42:29
and so we’re gonna we’re gonna do the
42:33
abortion one and then I’m going to
42:35
probably just answer your questions and
42:37
then we’ll be wrapping up the show this
42:39
is gonna be a shorter show because I
42:42
have to get on a firm and Spike 2020
42:46
campaign call because we’ve got some big
42:48
stuff coming up but I’m gonna talk about
42:50
this last one that I’ll answer the
42:51
questions and then I will I will be
42:54
signing off so this is really a prickly
42:59
one abortion 1.5 recognizing that
43:06
abortion is a sensitive issue and that
43:08
people can hold good faith views on all
43:12
sides we believe that government should
43:14
be kept out of the matter leaving the
43:16
question to each person for their
43:18
constant conscientious consideration now
43:22
this is going to be a long one so let me
43:25
do a rock Marco Rubio and drink some
43:27
water because my lips are gonna be my
43:29
mouth is gonna be pretty dry after this
43:30
one see during the show I usually drink
43:38
water while the guest is talking but
43:41
I’ll have a guest so I’m just drinking
43:43
the water and looking at but I look at
43:44
you this time that way we’re all both
43:45
uncomfortable anyway so let’s talk abou
43:52
everyone’s favorite subject guys
43:57
it may not surprise you to know that
43:59
this plank in the platform
44:02
makes everyone a little upset well not
44:06
everyone cuz it doesn’t actually bother
44:08
me but it makes a lot of people really
44:11
really really really upset because it’s
44:17
about abortion at depending on where you
44:20
fall on the abortion debate it is either
44:24
a question of an unborn baby being
44:27
murdered or not or or a woman being
44:30
forced to carry you know a lump of cells
44:36
or not so there’s two debates here and
44:42
yeah there’s two debates here and one is
44:46
the question of personhood and the other
44:49
one is a question of burden and
44:53
obligation and responsibility and
44:56
whether someone can put that on someone
44:57
else so we got some unpacking to do and
45:00
I know everyone is gonna love me way
45:02
more after I get into this everyone is
45:05
no matter what you think because that’s
45:06
my goal is to make everyone love me cuz
45:08
that’s how you get elected so okay first
45:11
abortion but if personhood we are
45:16
incorrectly told that this is an issue
45:18
of life it actually isn’t and I’m about
45:21
to explain why when you hear that
45:26
someone is having their I don’t know
45:29
kidney removed or some organ removed
45:32
because either it’s cancerous or it’s
45:35
diseased or whatever you never hear
45:38
anyone say you can’t do that that’s a
45:40
human life it is actually human life
45:42
it’s living while it’s still a part of
45:44
your body it is human by DNA but the
45:47
reason you never hear that is because
45:49
it’s not a person it isn’t its own
45:52
person it is an organ right and so
45:57
because it’s an organ we’re not worried
45:59
about it
45:59
it doesn’t think it doesn’t feel it is
46:02
only a part of a gloire organism a
46:06
person in this case
46:08
and so because of that it doesn’t own
46:10
itself it’s a part of you that you own
46:13
and if someone tells you hey you
46:16
shouldn’t have this organ anymore or
46:18
this piece of flesh anymore we should
46:20
probably get rid of it then you say okay
46:23
that’s fine and the one has a problem
46:24
with it so this is not a question of
46:26
life it is a question of personhood or
46:29
it is partially a question of personhood
46:32
so the question becomes when does
46:34
personhood begin well many people that
46:38
are religious or people that are even
46:41
even some people that aren’t religious
46:42
would say personhood begins at the very
46:44
moment of conception now the reason they
46:47
would say that is because that’s when a
46:48
separate human life actually begins and
46:50
we know that because when a when when a
46:53
conception happens and when the the
46:54
embryo is when it becomes an embryo when
46:58
the egg is fertilized it actually has
47:00
its own distinct human DNA so we know
47:03
that life begins that now is it a person
47:07
well I have noticed a common thread so
47:14
the question of let’s step back the
47:16
question of when personhood begins the
47:18
most extreme people on the let’s call it
47:21
the pro-life side are would say that it
47:25
begins at the very moment of conception
47:26
for the reason I just said the people
47:28
that would say that it begins I don’t
47:32
know after birth and once it’s once
47:34
there’s a birth or once the parents sign
47:36
up birth certificate or whatever the
47:38
ones who say you know it happens
47:39
basically when the parents decide it
47:41
happens that would be the other extreme
47:44
so let’s let’s let’s delve into those
47:47
extremes if it begins at the moment of
47:50
conception we aren’t behaving as though
47:55
it does so for example it is not often
47:59
sometimes happens but it’s not it is not
48:01
often that if someone has had a very
48:04
very early miscarriage that they have a
48:07
funeral why I’ve noticed that a lot of
48:15
pro-life protesters tend to protest at
48:17
abortion clinics but not at fertility
48:21
centers where
48:22
at some cases hundreds as many hundreds
48:24
of times as many embryos are being
48:27
destroyed as in the abortion clinics
48:30
where where fetuses are being destroyed
48:33
why I would argue that it’s because
48:38
whether they want to admit it or not the
48:41
people on the pro-life side are
48:43
inherently admitting in their actions
48:46
that there is at least a degree of
48:49
difference in the personhood of a newly
48:52
formed or recently formed embryo and say
48:55
a second trimester fetus if it wasn’t
49:00
then I would argue that they wouldn’t
49:03
even be bothering with Planned
49:04
Parenthood because so much more is
49:06
happening at the embryo stage on the
49:09
other side of the argument where we’re
49:13
saying oh it’s whenever the parents
49:16
decide it’s at the point it’s at the
49:17
point of birth let’s say that it’s not a
49:20
child
49:20
up until then it’s just a piece of the
49:21
mother well then why do a lot of people
49:24
refer to that fetus inside of them as he
49:28
or she give it give the the fetus names
49:33
reveal its gender start buying clothes
49:36
for it
49:37
a lot of us aren’t acting as though it
49:42
and I’m saying it because I don’t know
49:44
gender oh I’m saying hypothetically this
49:47
this this thing this this fetus we’re
49:51
acknowledging that we’re not acting as
49:54
though it’s not already a person it’s
49:57
just not out yet most of us are not
49:59
acknowledging that it’s a person yet so
50:03
what that means is that for the vast
50:05
majority of us the spectrum of
50:08
personhood or the very moment when we
50:10
can say personhood begins and this is an
50:11
autonomous person who has self ownership
50:14
is somewhere in between there where I
50:20
don’t know I actually don’t have a very
50:24
solid opinion on it I’ve heard a lot of
50:27
different people talk on the subject
50:28
that it happens when the heartbeat
50:30
starts it happens when brain activity
50:31
starts it happens when they could start
50:33
feeling things it happens when they
50:35
start
50:35
kicking what they call the quickening
50:37
when when movement starts happening I
50:40
don’t know I do know that I don’t feel
50:44
strongly enough about it to impose my
50:46
will on someone else there’s a second
50:50
question and that is a burden and
50:52
obligation let me give you another
50:53
example let’s say that there’s a person
50:56
who is living in your home renting your
51:00
home and they are very very unwell and
51:05
they can’t afford to pay the rent they
51:09
can’t afford it they are so unwell
51:15
that moving them would more than likely
51:20
kill them let’s say it would kill them
51:23
they are very very behind on rent you’re
51:25
about to lose everything you’re about to
51:27
lose the home if they don’t pay the rent
51:30
if you let them stay there they could
51:34
end up living several more months or
51:35
years or anything else they they can end
51:38
up living a much longer period of time
51:41
continuing to not pay you rent well what
51:46
do you do do you have an obligation to
51:51
let them stay there now a lot of you are
51:54
probably answering of course I’d let
51:55
them stay there in this hypothetical
51:57
that you have no skin in the game
51:58
there’s a different question as to
52:00
whether you would say that right now
52:02
hearing this terrible example that you
52:04
don’t actually have skin in the game and
52:06
whether you would do it in a situation
52:08
of where you need that money where you
52:12
actually need the money and are paying
52:13
out money and are how going to have your
52:16
life ruined if you continue to allow
52:18
this person here’s another question if
52:23
you are obese
52:28
or have diabetes or have some illness
52:31
that leads to a much higher rate of
52:35
miscarriage are you obligated not to get
52:39
pregnant because of the higher risk of
52:41
miscarriage and if not why not
52:44
again this is you know it’s going to
52:46
happen or you know it’s very likely to
52:48
happen or let’s say
52:49
you’ve already gotten pregnant multiple
52:52
times and miscarried every single time
52:54
and you just desperately want a child
52:57
well if you know what’s gonna happen or
53:01
you know it’s very very likely to happen
53:04
how are you not if you have an
53:08
obligation to carry a child to full-term
53:10
how are you not committing manslaughter
53:13
you know what’s gonna happen you know
53:16
it’s very likely to happen so should we
53:18
be forcing women who are very very
53:21
unlikely to carry the term to stop
53:23
trying
53:24
should we not let women implant with
53:26
embryos to try to have an in-vitro
53:28
fertilization with the idea that all or
53:32
most of those embryos likely are going
53:35
to die there is more question here than
53:38
the basic question of at third trimester
53:43
should women be able to have abortion
53:45
there are multiple questions here about
53:47
personhood about obligation what you are
53:49
obligated to another person are you
53:51
obligated to give your body to another
53:54
person if their life relies on it and I
53:59
don’t mean morally obligated do you
54:00
believe because of your ego is that you
54:02
should do it that’s a personal choice
54:04
I’m saying should other people be able
54:08
to require that you do this I would
54:13
argue they do not now going back to the
54:17
libertarian party platform we recognize
54:25
that this is a sensitive issue we
54:28
recognize that people hold good faith
54:30
views on all sides of this pro-life
54:32
people are not trying to control women
54:35
pro-choice people do not want to murder
54:37
babies we’ve recognized that they see
54:41
these things vastly differently their
54:44
world views are based on a completely
54:46
different conception as to whether or
54:49
not this is a good thing and because
54:51
there is ZERO consensus on this subject
54:55
because this is not as cut and dry as
54:58
for example you can’t murder an adult or
55:01
a child
55:03
or you can’t rape someone because it is
55:07
not as cut-and-dry of a subject of
55:08
bodily autonomy because there are
55:11
multiple bodies that are connected to
55:13
each other involved here and because
55:17
there’s no consensus on that then we
55:18
believe that and I’ll go even further
55:21
than this this is not just we believe
55:22
that government should be kept out of
55:23
the matter leaving the person to each
55:25
question for their concierge is
55:26
conscientious consideration I believe
55:29
that everyone should be out of the
55:33
matter because it’s not your body and
55:36
the fetus inside of you
55:38
if fetus is not inside of you it is not
55:42
really your business to the extent of
55:47
forcing someone to have a positive
55:49
obligation to someone or something else
55:54
so that’s a good one to leave people on
55:56
tonight let me go through the comments
55:58
here to see just how much I’m being
56:00
scaped about this let’s see oh I knew
56:08
this would happen I’ve been asked about
56:12
if oh so I’ve been asked Michael Ritz
56:16
says when does life begin life begins as
56:19
soon as it exists that’s not the
56:20
question it’s abortion that’s the
56:22
question of personhood
56:23
brenta writer says murder is bad because
56:26
your life is your most valuable property
56:27
that’s correct it is yours and you own
56:30
it
56:33
Michael Ritz says but when one murders
56:34
they give up the right to their own life
56:36
that’s a questionable one and I would
56:39
say that would be left up to individual
56:40
voluntary communities to decide their
56:42
standard of how to deal with something
56:44
like that we just saw with the execution
56:46
of Nathaniel Nathaniel Woods last week
56:50
where he was executed for murdering
56:52
three cops even though he didn’t shoot
56:54
them the shooter said he had nothing to
56:56
do with it
56:57
and the jury was not allowed to hear
57:00
that and in fact the only evidence they
57:02
actually had was the surviving officer
57:04
saying that he swore at them earlier in
57:07
the day which means he was effectively
57:08
executed for swearing at police officers
57:11
shortly before they were shot by someone
57:13
else I would argue that government
57:17
no business deciding who should be
57:20
living or dying and see what else
57:26
Fotini Henderson says I just thought of
57:28
something I can part out my second
57:30
kidney for money money why can’t we sell
57:32
ourselves sex workers sent out ran out
57:34
their bodies the most strict application
57:36
of libertarians libertarianism Fotini is
57:39
that if you have something and want to
57:41
sell it you should be able to do so and
57:43
in fact there’s a whole question about
57:44
how much more availability there would
57:47
be for organs on the market if people
57:50
were allowed to sell their organs upon
57:53
their death
57:54
how much more incentive there would be
57:55
for people to actually say that they
57:58
like their organs to be donated if they
58:00
actually knew that their their errors
58:03
and the signs would would get organs for
58:05
that I argue there would be much more
58:07
availability thankfully with science and
58:09
stem cells were probably soon gonna have
58:11
post scarcity when it comes to organs
58:13
but in the meantime we don’t have port
58:15
post scarcity there’s a lot of people
58:16
that I know walking around waiting for
58:18
an organ that they may or may not get so
58:22
I would definitely argue that um let’s
58:25
see what else can we use our phones as
58:33
decoys for alibis I saw a thing where a
58:36
guy said he would bake cookies shaped
58:38
his phones and yell into them and then
58:40
when the police pulled them over they’d
58:42
say oh you don’t like cookies but it
58:43
turns out they’ll probably still ticket
58:47
you because most of those have
58:48
distracted driving and if you’re
58:50
screaming at a cookie they might hurt
58:52
you that you’re distracted I would love
58:54
to see that one challenged in court does
58:56
government have that all here we go does
58:58
government have the right to license
58:59
adulthood regard I guess regarding age
59:05
of majority so this is a fun one to talk
59:08
about I think this is somewhere in the
59:09
libertarian platform that we can discuss
59:12
but I’ll go ahead and answer this this
59:15
is a really fun one because it’s hard to
59:19
talk about this without either sounding
59:21
like you’re trying to control everyone
59:23
or that you are you know you support
59:26
pedophilia I will say this I think we
59:30
all ignore
59:31
that for example a 50 year old having a
59:35
sexual relationship with a 10 year old
59:39
is bad like we all recognize that’s bad
59:42
and in and for those who don’t and we’ll
59:47
start talking about how in the past you
59:50
know there were you know people marrying
59:52
people at women at 12 and they’re in
59:55
their 40s and it’s their fifth wife
59:57
this was also putting aside the the
59:59
barbarism that of that these were also
60:03
at times when it was a lot harder for
60:06
humans to live past childhood and they
60:09
were just trying to keep their family
60:13
tribe nation whatever going and so it
60:18
was all hands on deck in terms of
60:19
reproduction that’s also a reason why
60:22
homosexuality was looked down upon
60:24
because that was a man or woman who
60:27
wasn’t contributing to reproduction it’s
60:30
also why you know it’s it’s why a lot of
60:33
these things are based around maximizing
60:36
reproduction we don’t live in that kind
60:38
of error anymore and we focus more on
60:40
the ability for someone to make
60:43
decisions for themselves so again
60:45
now that we live in the in the in the
60:47
modern world we can say that 50 year
60:50
olds shouldn’t be in sexual
60:52
relationships with 10 year olds because
60:54
the 10 year old is not in a position to
60:56
make those kinds of decisions for
60:57
themselves and there’s definitely an
60:59
imbalance of power there where a 50 year
61:02
old is I mean the trait it’s rape I
61:06
would say most or all of us can
61:08
recognize that a 40 year old with a
61:11
thirteen year old is bad I certainly do
61:14
and I’d say most of us can recognize
61:16
that a 30 year old with a 14 year old is
61:20
bad 20 and a 15 year old I think there’s
61:26
probably something wrong there I would
61:29
say there’s something wrong there about
61:30
20 and a 16 year old I’m not a big fan
61:36
of that 20 and 17 year old I’m having
61:39
much less difficulty with that about a
61:42
19 and a 16 year old
61:43
what about a 25 year old in the 17 year
61:46
old what about a 18 year old and a 15
61:49
year old what about a 17 year old in the
61:52
14 year old these are ones that get a
61:56
little hairy and we aren’t comfortable
61:57
talking about which is why I’m bringing
61:59
it up now the the and and we see that
62:03
there is not a lot of consensus on these
62:05
more you know vague gray areas which is
62:09
why every almost every single state in
62:11
the Union has completely different laws
62:13
when it comes to age of consent we see
62:15
that there’s an arbitrary nature to it
62:16
in my mind and this is not a perfect
62:21
solution to this by any stretch of the
62:23
imagination in my mind these are
62:27
questions that are best left to smaller
62:31
and more localized communities who can
62:34
set these standards for themselves with
62:36
the idea that is there going to be abuse
62:38
there will probably unfortunately be
62:40
abuse we see abuse now we see government
62:43
protecting pedophiles so clearly that
62:47
model didn’t work if there is a
62:51
community that says until you are the
62:54
age of 18 you should not be getting
62:56
gaging in sexual relationships if you
62:58
are a 19 year old with a 17 year old
63:00
that is rape I see that as awful extreme
63:03
but if they want to decide voluntarily
63:05
that that’s the way at the standard they
63:06
want to have well that’s the standard
63:08
that’s the standard they want to have if
63:10
there’s a group that says 20 with 15
63:12
year old is fine as long as the 15 year
63:14
old is able to I don’t know drive or
63:16
something I I’m not even sure what the
63:18
standard would be there honestly because
63:20
to me 20 and 15 is starting – I actually
63:23
have a pretty high standard on this for
63:26
20 and 15 to me I personally don’t find
63:29
acceptable and I’m you know I’m sure
63:32
there were examples where that might
63:34
have been fine but I have a very I’m not
63:38
okay with that
63:39
and and so this is a tough one to talk
63:41
about because there’s a lot of stuff I’m
63:43
not okay with but a lot of other people
63:45
are okay with put it this way if I were
63:47
divorced I wouldn’t can’t picture myself
63:51
being with someone under I’m 37 gonna be
63:54
38 this year I can’t picture being with
63:56
someone under
63:57
thirty at this point maybe late 20s I
64:02
don’t know early 20s I don’t see it I
64:07
certainly can’t think legal teen and
64:10
then this other stuff is just I I find
64:13
it completely distasteful um so just
64:16
letting you know where I’m from on this
64:18
personally 20 and 15 year old this is a
64:26
really really really thorny subject I
64:28
will say that I think that in general
64:30
this type of thing is best handled by
64:32
more localized communities that can set
64:34
their own standards with the idea that I
64:38
think there are very few punishments for
64:42
pedophiles
64:43
that I wouldn’t be okay with if we know
64:46
beyond a reasonable doubt that they did
64:48
it that’s my personal opinion
64:51
someone said Ken Radner says hello all
64:54
you Nazis that’s an interesting greeting
64:58
Fotini Henderson says eviction that
65:00
sounds like human property your body is
65:03
your property your body is your property
65:09
if there’s another person in your
65:11
property they’re occupying your property
65:14
and there is a question of whether or
65:17
not you owe them a positive obligation
65:21
and if you believe that you do you have
65:24
every right to conduct yourself that way
65:27
so um
65:29
let’s see what’s here Jacob says this is
65:33
super deep I’m just gonna give my kids a
65:34
hug and Jacob I hope you feel better
65:37
I really do man I really we’re rootin
65:39
for you here um Fotini henderson says
65:43
government shouldn’t police morality but
65:45
murder is the state interest well I mean
65:47
again talking to me I don’t believe that
65:48
anything is a state interest when I talk
65:50
about enforcement of standards I’m
65:52
talking about by voluntary communities
65:54
again there is consensus that an adult
65:58
killing a child or an adult killing an
66:00
adult or whatever that these are
66:02
separate autonomous human beings not so
66:06
much when it comes to a fetus or unborn
66:09
child if you will
66:11
inside of another human being it becomes
66:12
a lot more thorny both on the question
66:14
of personhood and on positive obligation
66:16
are you due date does someone else have
66:18
an obligation to give their own property
66:22
to someone else so Michael says who gets
66:30
to decide what counts as murder in a
66:32
libertarian society in any society
66:34
standards are set by consensus and that
66:38
would be no less true in a libertarian
66:39
1um any you know there are many
66:44
religious people who say there is no
66:45
such thing as consensus or subjectivity
66:47
on on morality morality is objective
66:50
because it’s written right here in my
66:51
book that tells you what is objective
66:54
okay
66:55
fair that’s fair let me ask you this
66:59
show me a religion or even a sect within
67:03
a religion in which there is total 100%
67:07
agreement within the people of that sect
67:11
denomination religion on what that book
67:14
actually says about a specific subject
67:17
if there is not then even within that
67:21
books objective writing there is
67:25
subjectivity because there is not a
67:27
consensus you may believe it’s
67:29
subjective because you know what you
67:30
believe on it but if there’s anyone who
67:32
follows that book who disagrees with you
67:34
much less multiple different competing
67:36
parties which is why most religions have
67:39
sects and denominations because they
67:41
can’t agree on what that same book says
67:43
and even that’s subjective it’s
67:47
subjective to the author if you believe
67:49
that your deity wrote that it may be
67:52
objective to them but to us interpreting
67:54
it clearly not these are all interesting
67:57
conversations I’m pretty sure that’s not
67:59
covered in the libertarian platform
68:00
that’s just me giving my opinion um what
68:03
else here a lot of the extra wives from
68:07
marrying other men’s wives who died in
68:09
war so as to help take care of the
68:11
community that also happened as well I
68:13
mean there we are applying especially
68:19
when we start talking about older people
68:23
marrying younger
68:25
and immediately having children with
68:27
them because they’ve reached puberty
68:30
again this was like all hands on deck
68:33
stuff this was if we’re going to survive
68:36
as if extended family as a tribe as of
68:40
whatever everyone has to be constantly
68:43
making kids thankfully we aren’t in that
68:48
situation anymore for many reasons one
68:50
of them is that we can actually examine
68:52
things like consent and autonomy because
68:55
I can tell you right now a 12 year old
68:56
that is forced into a marriage with a 40
68:58
year old and then it’s immediately
69:00
having kids is clearly not being allowed
69:04
their autonomy it’s arguable that that’s
69:07
why we all exist because of those types
69:10
of interactions happened back then that
69:12
that’s why entire bloodlines that
69:14
weren’t wiped out all of that aside we
69:16
thankfully have been able to progress as
69:18
a society into being able to respect
69:21
people’s bodily autonomy we now have a
69:24
good number of people and are more than
69:28
meeting replacement rate as a as a human
69:30
species
69:33
Michael Ritz says the equation is age
69:35
plus 7/2 yeah I’ve heard that one and
69:38
and and when I’ve applied it that
69:40
usually if that’s the same one that I’ve
69:42
seen before I believe that usually when
69:45
I see that how that ends up playing out
69:49
I’m usually okay with it but there may
69:53
be some that aren’t um and and and and
69:55
so you know I I think it’s best handled
69:57
that way but and again every state has a
70:00
different standard I trying to remember
70:02
if that’s the one that well no cuz age
70:06
play okay so if I’m 38 plus seven is 45
70:13
divided by two is 22 and a half I can’t
70:22
even imagine wanting to be with someone
70:25
that young but again that’s me personal
70:27
like I I can never just feel so weird
70:32
anyway whatever um Mark Andrews says
70:36
maybe sometimes we just need to be
70:37
pragmatic and not idealistic
70:39
and just pick an arbitrary number like
70:40
18 and that’s what often happens but
70:44
here’s the problem what about a 19 year
70:46
old in a 17 year old what level of
70:49
punishment are you prepared for that
70:53
it’s 19 year old to get I mean is that
71:00
pragmatic I guess so but tell that to
71:03
the person who’s in a cage and it put on
71:06
a sex offender list for the rest of
71:08
their life I would argue there has to be
71:10
some kind of flexibility there or some
71:12
kind of scale of offense at the very
71:14
least maybe we don’t like 19 and 17 but
71:18
you know it’s just a fine or something
71:22
and how do we enforce that like there’s
71:25
a lot of questions here um we just saw
71:29
where someone who was 17 and in a
71:30
consenting age / 2 plus 7 so okay so 38
71:41
19 + 26 that sounds a little bit better
71:46
I mean again I came to picture a 26 year
71:48
old but that’s just more like I don’t
71:49
know what I have in common whether it’s
71:51
not like it’s I find it creepy anyway um
71:54
yeah I mean these arbitrary numbers we
71:56
just saw where someone who was 17 and
71:58
then consenting sexual relationship with
72:00
a like a 24 year old or something he’s
72:02
like suing her and you know saying that
72:04
she you know molested him okay um anyway
72:12
so this was fun it’s a fun conversation
72:17
about abortion and age of consent
72:21
check me out next week where we talk for
72:23
an hour about circumcision we definitely
72:26
will not be doing that but no these are
72:29
good conversations to have I wasn’t
72:30
having them at the college but they were
72:33
good conversation to have so I’m gonna
72:35
wrap up and say one more thing wash your
72:37
hands please I have been incredibly
72:39
distressed by the sheer number of people
72:42
that I’ve heard from the past few weeks
72:46
a few days especially last couple weeks
72:49
who have just really shown it to render
72:51
Mountain
72:52
distrust about the fact that they
72:53
couldn’t find any hand soap or sanitizer
73:00
to which I I asked do you have any now
73:04
and people expressing distress at the
73:09
number of times that they’re expected to
73:10
wash their hands in a day that they
73:13
can’t touch the face after hugging
73:19
people and shaking hands and touching
73:21
things that other people have touched
73:23
and maybe I’m more fastidious than I
73:26
thought I was but goodness guys like
73:32
let’s just start washing our hands like
73:39
it shouldn’t have taken a novel highly
73:43
virulent virus for you to wash your
73:47
hands cuz there’s other diseases that
73:49
you can get that some are even worse
73:51
they’re more common but they’re like
73:54
worse a lot of them just maybe wash your
74:03
hands I don’t yeah I was just this is
74:06
I’m not sure what to say here I don’t
74:10
think this is a Jewish thing is this a
74:14
Jew is this like a Gentile thing that
74:16
not what I don’t think so I don’t I
74:18
don’t I don’t believe that’s the case I
74:21
think this might just be individuals who
74:24
didn’t learn the wash your hand song so
74:31
anyway just please wash your hands if
74:33
you’re gonna be around other people
74:33
please please please please do we
74:38
decimally you can wash your hands I’ve
74:39
been living a lot yes please do actually
74:41
um Brent says like wash them on a
74:44
regular basis not just a panda yeah like
74:46
like after this passes cuz it will pass
74:48
this disease will pass it’sit’s I think
74:52
that it has a fatality rate that is
74:54
south of two percent because I think
74:56
there’s way more people that have it
74:57
that just aren’t expressing symptoms and
75:00
probably never will which is good but it
75:02
also means that a lot more people have
75:03
it all this to say that
75:07
it will eventually pass everyone will
75:10
either get it or end up inoculated to it
75:12
there’s possible that there may be some
75:14
people with it does some kind of genetic
75:15
immunity although that’s very that’s
75:18
less calm possible because it is a an
75:20
animal derived illness that has not
75:23
become a human one it has not evolved
75:25
into being a human one yet like the cold
75:26
and the flu have so it’s very unlikely
75:29
that anyone is immune to it but
75:31
regardless there will eventually be a
75:33
vaccine hopefully the people that do
75:35
contract it end up with a very long
75:38
immunity like 5-10 years like similar to
75:40
like the measles as opposed to the flu
75:43
which only lasts for you know like a
75:45
year or a season so hopefully hopefully
75:49
you know that this will pass most of us
75:51
will survive one way or another I think
75:53
there’s gonna be some severe panic
75:54
possibly an economic depression that it
75:56
triggers but we are gonna make it out um
76:00
but just keep washing the hands I don’t
76:08
want you to have to pretend everything
76:09
around you is just swimming with
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coronavirus just lousy with kovat but
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maybe baby just do that for a week just
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develop some new habits you know they
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say that a habit is something you’ve
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done I forget how many times Michael
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maybe you have that equation 2 equation
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2 about how many times you have to
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repeat something before it’s a habit do
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it that number of times like just please
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wash your hands and your body like wash
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your body to wash your body um let’s see
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what here Michael Ritz do you think the
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scale of reaction to this virus is
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warranted considering the economic
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damage that has occurred depends on who
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you’re asking I think that most people
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alternate between apathy and panic our
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normalcy bias leads us to say Oh
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everything’s fine that could never
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happen here we see it happen in China
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oh well that’s China that could never
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happen here then we see it happening in
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in Italy South Korea we say yeah but
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that could never happen here then we see
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that it’s happening in Washington and on
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cruise ships and we say well yeah but
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not here let me see it’s happening in
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New York City and Seattle I already said
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Seattle anyway we see it’s happening
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closer and closer more and more and we
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go yeah but that could never happen here
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and then we hit a point where we go
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uh-oh time to go buy all the toilet
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paper and hand sanitizer and milk and
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bread surely I’ll be ok and they freak
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out and people start panicking and
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losing their minds
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and then when it looks like things calm
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down people go oh good I’ll never have
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to worry about this or anything like it
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ever again because that could never
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happen here not again
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so these are coping mechanisms they’re
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not very good ones but they do exist so
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your question do I think the scale of
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reaction I think the government
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completely botched this I think the
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government completely botched this there
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was this idea that it could be kept from
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coming here even though there were
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already people here that have it even
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though it can live for like a week and a
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half on surfaces in in ideal conditions
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but even in not ideal conditions it can
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live for like a day or two as opposed to
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the flu which even in the best
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conditions I think can last like 12
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hours and in typical conditions lasts
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about 15 minutes it lasts a long time on
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stuff someone can sneeze on something in
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ambient temperature and it will still be
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alive on that thing it sneezed on they
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sneezed on a couple days later it can
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take up to 14 days for people to have
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any symptoms and unlike some of the
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other corona viruses that are similar
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they can start spreading it before they
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have symptoms so they can touch
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something without any symptoms never
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even having any symptoms touch something
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someone else touches it
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and then they touch their face and now
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they’ve got it so it is a very Tom Hanks
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has coronavirus goodness the
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vice-president of Iran got it I think
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the Pope got it they’re saying he didn’t
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get it he got it um all this to say that
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oh and so what you’re also experiencing
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is the fact that we were on a very very
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very very big bubble not just in the
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market in the stock market but in the
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economy in general we have had effective
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negative tax rates for a really really
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really long time and this was just the
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perfect thing to just force everything
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to slow down and make everyone go uh-oh
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this economy isn’t as solid as we
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thought it was so I think depending on
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what we’re talking about oh by the way
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we’re being told you know what is it
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maybe a thousand people in the US have
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it that’s because that’s who they’re
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they’re only testing a handful of people
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if 700 people had it on the diamond
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Princess cruise ship one cruise ship
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I’m telling you well more than a
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thousand people already have it in the
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US I’m guessing that something like a
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hundred thousand people are more already
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avid in the US and the reason I’m saying
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that is because the u.s. combined is
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testing I think like as recently as a
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week or so ago like a thousand people a
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day or something like that and a lot of
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them are coming back positive I think if
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they were testing everyone right now or
81:01
at least everyone that was sick I think
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we would know way more people have it
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and again those are just the ones that
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are sick eighty percent of people have
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little to no symptoms so I’m thinking we
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might already have a million people to
81:14
have it the good news is that means
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it’ll spread faster we’ll realize that
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most people that have it are going to be
81:19
fine and there won’t be as much panic
81:20
the bad news is that the hospital system
81:24
isn’t even close to being able to handle
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that many people getting it all at once
81:29
and so the idea of containment is that
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you keep the amount of people who have
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it at any given time you let it you try
81:35
to make it more of a slogan
81:36
by keeping people away from each other
81:38
and try to keep this number of people
81:40
that need hospitalization down as low as
81:42
possible that keeps fatalities lower by
81:44
not forcing people to not be able to get
81:46
to the hospital and by also not you know
81:48
leading to a higher rate of you know
81:51
sloppy things happening at the hospital
81:53
which leads to health care workers
81:54
getting sick which means now there are
81:56
even fewer people that can help people
81:57
blah blah blah by not testing people and
82:00
by instead focusing on we’re gonna keep
82:03
it away from our borders even though it
82:05
was already here and we know it can be
82:08
spread without anyone even knowing it
82:10
that was a major major tactical error so
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I think government as government is want
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to do completely botched it completely
82:19
screwed the old Korona poodle there and
82:21
I think a lot of Americans are either
82:24
freaking out or being apathetic to it
82:27
and there’s very little in between to it
82:29
so I don’t I don’t know what to tell you
82:33
you’re saying we can’t produce the test
82:38
kits fast enough to test everyone
82:42
because we started real late tests kids
82:46
have been available since like the end
82:50
of January or middle of January so there
82:56
were some botching here and I’m not
82:57
saying all those those Trump this would
82:59
have been fine if Hillary had been Pratt
83:01
I’m not saying that I’m saying the
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government did some bad ideas
83:05
I think Trump’s said some stupid things
83:07
but I’m not sure how much that’s
83:09
affected actual policy I think the
83:11
government got caught flat-footed
83:15
because this illness is a perfect storm
83:18
thankfully has a low if this if this had
83:21
a higher fatality rate it would be like
83:27
the movie Contagion already it
83:30
thankfully has a fairly low a fairly low
83:35
fatality rate unfortunately it’s pretty
83:37
high with with the elderly it’s very
83:41
very low like almost none with kids
83:44
which is great for the kids it’s great
83:45
that kids aren’t getting sick the kids
83:49
feel great and they’re going around
83:50
spreading it everywhere because kids are
83:51
the dirtiest people like children are
83:54
dirtier than everyone else they put
83:56
their hands in their mouths and they go
83:58
and touch everything and and because
83:59
they feel fine and their parents think
84:01
that they’re fine you know they’re
84:03
running around and incubating and and
84:05
and and making each other sick which I
84:07
think all the schools should already be
84:08
shut down like why that hasn’t happened
84:10
already I don’t know because they’re
84:12
just that might as well be at Diamond
84:14
every single one of those schools is a
84:15
diamond Princess cruise as far as I’m
84:17
concerned every single one of those
84:18
freaking kids gonna get it so yeah fun
84:23
stuff guys and with that I’d like to
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invite you to all right like to thank
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you for joining me on this episode this
84:32
amazing episode where we talked about
84:34
freaking abortion age of consent and
84:36
disease just a cheerful episode guys so
84:42
I’m going to be this weekend speaking of
84:44
not being around people this weekend I’m
84:46
gonna be at the Libertarian Party of
84:47
Virginia convention hand bumping and B
84:50
hand bumping I can be doing a lot of
84:52
personal touching but I will be there
84:57
representing the vermin spike 2020
85:00
campaign for Team supreme so if you’re
85:03
going to the lpv a convention be sure to
85:05
come out and say hi to me get a little
85:07
fist bump maybe even just a nice nod
85:09
just not even touching just give me a
85:11
nice nod but this nod maybe a nice
85:13
namaste do a nice namaste for each other
85:16
I see you and do not want us to touch
85:20
each other and then be sure to check us
85:26
out on Tuesday for the muddy waters of
85:28
freedom were Matt right and I parsed
85:30
through the week’s events and cover the
85:33
newest round of Bernie getting screwed
85:35
out of the nomination by the Democratic
85:37
National Convention and then tune in
85:41
next week on Wednesday for my fellow
85:44
Americans where I will be continuing
85:47
this parsing through the going through
85:51
the libertarian party platform and I
85:53
definitely know where I left off because
85:55
it was abortion so thanks again for
85:58
tuning in guys great to have you Oh
86:01
Chris Reynolds
86:03
I’ve already fallen on the sword Chris
86:05
Chris Reynolds is bringing up the fact
86:07
that I initially said that we had
86:08
nothing to worry about when it came to
86:09
this virus I was wrong I was wrong
86:14
because I assumed that it had a similar
86:17
virality similar way that it spread as
86:20
SARS and MERS the other main novel
86:23
coronaviruses that we’ve experienced but
86:27
a lower fatality rate based on that I
86:29
thought well it’ll be easy to contain
86:33
because if someone has symptoms they get
86:37
contained this one’s a lot different it
86:40
stays alive longer outside of the body
86:42
and you can spread it without having
86:45
symptoms so that’s a problem so I was
86:52
wrong about that I was right overall
86:54
about what I said
86:55
past that wash your hands anyway don’t
86:59
be dirty and you’re still again I will
87:04
still say this you are more likely to
87:05
die have a whole lot of other stuff so
87:07
if you’re eating a bunch of comfort food
87:08
right now to make you feel better about
87:10
this coronavirus outbreak you were
87:12
contributing to the thing that’s more
87:14
than likely to kill you which is heart
87:16
disease so or if you’re smoking more
87:20
because you’re worried about coronavirus
87:22
first of all you’re weakening your
87:23
immune system which will make you more
87:24
susceptible to corona by virus second of
87:26
all you’re more likely contributing to
87:28
the thing that’s much more likely to
87:29
kill you
87:30
which is cancer so I was right
87:35
overall about how you should react to
87:37
this I was wrong about how serious it
87:42
was because I was making assumptions
87:45
based on what other coronaviruses were
87:49
like in terms of what it could spread
87:50
but I’m still seeing the same thing in
87:53
terms of what you should do don’t panic
87:55
get some supplies
87:59
stop touching your face unless you’ve
88:02
already washed your hands wash your
88:04
hands sanitize your hands when you’re
88:06
out and can’t wash your hands if you
88:08
touch something sanitize your hands if
88:10
you touch another person sanitize your
88:12
hands when you can get to somewhere to
88:14
wash your hands wash your hands
88:17
these are all good ideas maybe don’t eat
88:20
food that’s been prepared by strangers
88:22
like these are all good things that I
88:26
already was doing cuz I apparently am
88:28
OCD and didn’t realize I’m apparently a
88:30
freak because I’ve already been doing
88:33
all these things so who’s laughing now I
88:36
guess anyway guys thanks again for
88:39
tuning in I will see you very soon and
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God bless
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