(((My Fellow Americans))) #57: #KeepBanging with Richard Manzo


About This Episode

Spike is fresh off the heels of the Libertarian Party of Tennessee’s Convention and Gala. Good times. (Check out Spike’s LPTN speech here)

Spike’s guest this week is the incomparable Committeeman Richard Manzo. Richard is the Vice Chair of the Libertarian Party of New Hampshire, as well as the Chief Strategist of the Vermin/Spike 2020 campaign. We’re going to talk about how the Vermin Campaign is changing everything for the Libertarian Party, and why choosing me was literally the smartest thing anyone has ever done in electoral politics. #KeepBanging

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shoutout material on turkeys momentum is
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always guys tonight’s guest is quite the
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underachiever he doesn’t do much at all
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he’s only the vice-chair of the
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Libertarian Party of New Hampshire newly
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reelected I might I add Vice Chair of
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the Libertarian Party of New Hampshire
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as well as the he’s an elected budget
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committee member of goffstown new
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hampshire
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I think that’s something it right and
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when he’s not doing all of that
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he’s the of course the chief strategist
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of the vermin spike 2020 campaign permit
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supreme 2020 calm so whatever he doesn’t
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do a lot but my fellow Americans
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welcome to the show tonight the
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marvelous mr. Richard Manzo Richard
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thank you so much for tuning in tonight
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and joining us thank you for having me
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Mike I really couldn’t thank you more
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for having me on tonight this is a great
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opportunity to sit here with my vice
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presidential candidate thank you
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well thank you for coming on I’m really
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I’m really overwhelmed right now I’m
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sure you are as well so this is a moment
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we can be a little full emp’d but guys
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be sure to comment with your questions
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and thoughts and Richard and I will tell
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you if you are right or wrong now
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Richard this is your first time on the
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show and the first thing that I ever
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asked new guests on the show is to tell
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us a story
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a diddy if you will about how you became
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a libertarian was it like an aha moment
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or more of a gradual evolution of their
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time tell us about that tell us you’re
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your Manzo Diddy well for me becoming a
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libertarian actually progressed kind of
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slowly that when I was in high school I
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kind of did a little bit of a light
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volunteering if you will for Rand Paul
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on the Republican GOP primary in 2016
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well not my proudest moment of course
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but I continued my gradual decline into
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a libertarian madness from there who had
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started with joining the Libertarian
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Party of New Hampshire of course
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thinking was thinking about running for
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office wasn’t sure what I could do but
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then I realize you only needed to be 18
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to run for state Rep I reached out to
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the party and they you know they
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welcomed me with open arms since then so
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it’s been a very nice transition for me
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now you are again the Libertarian Party
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of New Hampshire’s vice-chair how long
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have you been doing that I have been the
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vice chair since last year it’s actually
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been about call it eight months my first
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term was not a whole year because our
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conventions moved up considerably but as
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you said I was newly reelected mm-hmm so
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they liked what you were doing clearly I
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would say so I was actually not
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reelected without without a challenge
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this year I did have an opponent in the
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election my good friend
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Jaret Rondo I’m glad that he was willing
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to step up and serve the party and now
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elected to the at-large position on the
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executive committee of course and I’m
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glad that he was willing to do that but
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of course my fellow party members did
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select me and I’m very grateful
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that’s very cool so tell the vice-chair
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so last week i had brento ritter who is
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the vice chair of the north carolina
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libertarian party and now you’re with
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new hampshire what are the kind of
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things that you do as the place chair of
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the party well I do a lot of the
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background work for their chair Brian
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shields I assist him in prepare
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and agendas for meetings you know I felt
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I feel in whether it’s a prescribed duty
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for example like overseeing the election
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of the chair I present sometimes the
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awards of the lph conventions that go to
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our best and brightest members of course
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and other than that it’s just a whole
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lot of activism and spokesmen shift
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every party so you’re looking you look
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you get basically looking pretty a lot
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you gotta look pretty
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of course well you’re you’re you’re
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killing it
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what are you who are you wearing by the
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way this is amazing what do you who are
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you wearing right now ah this is
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JCPenney clearance rack I don’t know any
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more than that well it hangs on you
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beautifully my friend let me tell you
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that Richard as we noted before you are
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the vice chair of the party of the
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Libertarian Party of New Hampshire I ask
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this usually of any people that come on
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that are officials with the state party
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or running for office of course there
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are a lot of people who are libertarian
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who also believed that the electoral pot
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process is completely irrelevant that
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engaging in it is a total waste of time
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they believe to quote George Carlin if
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voting mattered they wouldn’t let you do
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it and I can kind of empathize with that
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but then at the same time I argue that
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voting to reduce the state is similar to
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defending yourself in court you are
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using the state’s apparatus but it’s to
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try to protect yourself from further
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harm with the understanding that you’re
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kind of on the hook for whatever the
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decision is by the state anyway so it
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makes sense to try to fight back against
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that what what are your thoughts on that
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well I actually believe in what the more
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left-leaning libertarians might call a
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diversity of tactics and what that means
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to me is that of course if we’re looking
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to dismantle the state or reduce our
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reliance on the state as a society then
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of course we’re going to need to create
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these mutual aid networks these
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voluntary associations if you will to
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take up the slack but beyond that I do
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believe in participating in the
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electoral system because I believe you
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can turn yourself into a stumbling block
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if you will in the government’s race to
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authoritarianism we’re getting closer
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every day but the more
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libertarians we add to office eventually
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we will be able to slow that roll down
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and eventually reverse the direction and
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so do you mentioned dismantling the
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state do you consider yourself an
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anarchist or a minister III do I do
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consider myself an anarchist yes very
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good team anarchists so right so and
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that’s sort of my thought is that if
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nothing else it blunts things but then
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there’s also the fact that because so
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many people see legitimacy in the
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electoral pop process you’re able to
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kind of leverage that to push for you
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know a post state or at least a smaller
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state system as opposed to seeding that
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whole territory to people arguing over
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how much more we should grow the
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government right I agree and beyond that
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you know if you’re in a legislature for
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example a town council city council
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County Supervisor County Commission
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Budget Committee even would have power
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over the spending of the government
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which and spending is not the end-all
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be-all of freedom but it is a good
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metric to see what your government is
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doing and what your government spends
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the money that it steals from you on a
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weekly monthly quarterly basis right
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yearly basis and if you can reduce the
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amount of money that they take from the
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people you can reduce the amount that
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they’re able to do so I do believe in
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running for those types of offices right
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absolutely and I mean you again the the
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you’re able to leverage media earned
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media that you can get from a political
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campaign to actually try to effect
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change from the messaging standpoint
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which we’ll talk more about that in a
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bit now to that end as I mentioned
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before you are an extremely rare breed
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in the Libertarian Party you’re an
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elected official
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tell us about your position and what you
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do so the Budget Committee in Goffstown
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there’s two types of budget committees
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in New Hampshire there are statutory
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budget committees and there are advisory
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but budget committees and advisory
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budget committee has almost no power
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they tell
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the Town Council the City Council the
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select board whatever it may be what
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they would like as a budget but it is
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almost rests entirely on the select
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board but I am on a statutory budget
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committee we do prepare the budget we do
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present it to the town voters and it
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goes
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eventually onto the ballot for final
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approval by the voters so it’s a 12
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person committee I’m happy to say that
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three of the members on that committee
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are LP NH members myself Spencer diets
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Denis Lynch all members of the party so
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it’s actually it’s actually quite above
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the national average for libertarians
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and government yeah that’s that’s what
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so that’s a 20 something percent of the
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of the 25 percent that’s right yeah
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which is much higher than the average of
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0% right or 0.4 whatever percent it
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would be you know if you average it out
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so you’re batting well above your your
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pay grade there so how will have you so
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perfect example people will say to me
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okay great we get libertarians elected
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to various positions president down to
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the dog catcher and everything in
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between now what you know now that
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you’re in there so tell us about that
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you’re a libertarian you ran on I would
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assume lis a libertarian you know
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platform and now you’re in there what
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are you doing as a libertarian that
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helps to to you know blunt the the power
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of the state or the progression of the
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state there there’s two sides to go to
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what I do as a Budget Committee member
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first of all of course I propose I
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support and I back the cuts to the
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budget that myself would present or or
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any of the other members would present
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right and the other side to that is
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eliminating wasteful spending for
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example we’ve had you know a DEA
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compliance issues that we’ve need to
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address as a town and yes it might be
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ten thousand dollars a hundred thousand
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dollars here there but it hopes it helps
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us avoid opening the hole you know we
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system can of worms but I want to get
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sued so if it if it saves us money to
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spend a little bit of money I will
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support that just because I want to of
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course protect the town from having to
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spend extraneous money of course
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something like an 88 you know federal ad
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a lawsuit could cost you millions as
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opposed to putting a ramp somewhere so I
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I get that have you found that your in
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your advocacy of you know pushing for
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less spending or whatever at least what
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less wasteful spending has that been has
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because the other what nine members are
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not libertarian die assume they’re
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Republicans Democrats independents right
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correct and I would I would argue that
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it is somewhat effective it’s not as
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effective as it probably should be the
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Budget Committee for quite a long time
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has never had a a contested election
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it’s been I would say largely a rubber
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stamp on the budget that’s presented to
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us by the department heads and by the
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select board but that being said this
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year we did remove about $600,000 in
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spending from the budget and you know in
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a town with a budget of 20 million
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dollars that’s a good first step in my
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view yeah that’s well especially when
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you make up a quarter of the legislature
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the fact that you’re able to blunt it at
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all is is a good thing so and now we
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have now you’re running for re-election
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this year or no I’m not running for
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re-election for another two years and
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one year into my term I am running for
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County Treasurer and oh I’m sorry
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okay okay so you’re running for County
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Treasurer for your County and we have a
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link to donate to your election campaign
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in the in the show notes it is let’s see
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so I have donate to me at ball change
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that but it’s politics dot raised the
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money calm slash R Manzo but it’s in the
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it’s in the show notes so if you’re
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interested in helping Richard get
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elected to to the what was it again the
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treasurer it it’s yes County Train here
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County Treasurer Department
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then be sure to go to that and and give
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whatever you can so before we get
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started talking about the main thing
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that we’re here to talk about I just
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want to talk about an initiative that
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the that we started on where is it we
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don’t have it
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yeah we do it’s called Mary toothbrush
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and this is an initiative from the
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vermin’s bike 2020 campaign campaign and
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the dignity ministry which is based in
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the Myrtle Beach South Carolina area and
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they help with the homeless we’re doing
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something called the Mary toothbrush
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campaign if you press the donate button
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and then and and make a donation of $10
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then you will get a we have these
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toothbrushes that are the packaging that
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it’s in is signed by vermin supreme we
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will sign your name next to vermin and
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and hand it out or basically write
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whatever you want there and hand it out
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to the homeless as part of a care
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package that they’re receiving and then
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if you give $25 or more I will sign next
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to vermin’s name and actually mail it to
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you so you have a memento of helping our
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campaign and dignity ministry half of
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all of the proceeds are gonna go to the
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vermin spike 2020 campaign the other
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half are gonna go to the dignity
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ministry to help homeless people in the
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Myrtle Beach South Carolina area be sure
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to go to Berman supreme 2020 com press
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the donate button and and let them know
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that it’s for dignity dignity ministry
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and and either they will get the
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toothbrush or you will get the
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toothbrush depending on on how much you
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gave that’s our Mary toothbrush campaign
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now speaking of which Richard let’s talk
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about vermin supreme how did you meet
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vermin I don’t actually know this how
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did you meet him
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the first time I met vermin supreme was
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at Liberty forum I believe in 2018 we
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met at the conventions vendor Hall
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Fuhrman came in this is a funny little
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story he walks in he puts his stuff down
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on a table in the middle of the room I
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walk up to him and he says that he
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doesn’t have his breath mints with him
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so I walk over to my coat I grab out a
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package of Ralph’s roids that I open up
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to him and I say well I actually had
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some with me if you if you’d like some
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yes thank you and he took about you know
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a small handful of them when I expected
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him to take one or two and you know we
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kind of hit it off since then we’ve been
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met again at the Libertarian Party of
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Hampshire Convention we talked quite
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extensively and I hear that he was very
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pleased with what he heard from me and
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you know things went from there and now
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were you part of the because I know
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Desiree Lindsey the campaign manager was
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one of the people that was pushing for
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him to to actually do eight and for
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those who don’t know vermin supreme has
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been running for president for thirty
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years but this is his first time of an
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actual serious campaign before it was
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just sort of a performance-art satire
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thing that he was doing and he’s now
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taking that satirical approach and
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applying it to a serious campaign with a
20:43
campaign staff and we are by many
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accounts the frontrunners right now
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which is very interesting um but and we
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could think people like Richard for that
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but were you part of the original you
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know group that was trying to get him to
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run back and I guess 2018 to actually do
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a serious run for the for the nomination
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no I wasn’t I feel like if I was able to
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think of things like that ahead of time
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I’d be you know a very rich man
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inventing many great apps many great
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websites many great you know social
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medias but worse no I’m not that I’m not
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quite that smart I am good I do have a
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little bit of a strategic mindset but no
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I wasn’t I did not have that local port
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site so you were brought in after the
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fact and are now they’re there their
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chief strategist do you know what was
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the precedent for the the or what
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preceded the idea of even having him run
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do you know the story behind that no I
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don’t actually but I do know that
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Desiree had helped him with his run for
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Kansas Kansas I believe Attorney General
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where they you know essentially
21:54
exploited a loophole that allowed
21:55
out-of-state people to run for a an
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executive level office in the state of
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Kansas yes that’s hilarious
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I wonder if they close that loophole
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left
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now you have done a tremendous number of
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high jinks I’m actually I’m like it’s
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it’s hilarious some of the funniest
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things Berman has done has been with you
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what tell us about what was the first
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thing that you remember that was like a
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like a shenanigan type thing that you
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that you got involved with with vermin
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first thing I would have to say either
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going to the State House for the Biden
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event where we were upstairs waiting
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outside secretary of state bill Gardner
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office waiting for Biden to show up and
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we were chanting okay boomer our example
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we were we were telling that the crowd
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there too if they have weed to light it
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up of course they did not they were very
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agitated the entire time not relaxed at
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all not enjoying us but we had a good
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time that’s funny so and that was the
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same time that you guys came up with the
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impeach Biden or something like that
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they would chant and then you would say
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something till it was at the same time
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yeah they were they were saying they
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were doing some sort of silly
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impeachment chant and we would since we
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had megaphones and they didn’t we would
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insert essentially whatever they
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whatever we wanted into their chant and
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it would sound like they were in fact
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going along with power chant because we
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were just so much louder than they were
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and so they were because it started with
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they would say when I say president you
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say Biden and they’d say President Biden
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right yeah and then you guys would say
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impeach I guess yeah great
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that is hilarious I I was trying to find
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video of it and I could only find the
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video where you can hear it as opposed
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to like actually like where you can see
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that you guys doing it but um so that
24:07
that’s really really funny
24:08
um tell us what what what’s another what
24:10
are some other hijinks that you’ve
24:11
gotten into with vermin
24:12
well of course after that portion of
24:16
that event we were outside
24:18
as they’re being blocked off
24:23
[Music]
24:32
at the time previa one of our previous
24:36
governor’s governor Lynch was speaking
24:39
you can hear me over him not behind him
24:42
but over him and it was just generally a
24:46
very disruptive day for us and then
24:50
later on we did something extremely
24:52
similar with the Elizabeth Warren
24:55
campaign where they came to town to file
24:57
for the primary we were upstairs
25:00
standing right at the door we had a
25:04
number of interactions with the State
25:06
Police where the Elizabeth Warren people
25:09
were trying to kick us out of course
25:11
they had no legal authority to do so for
25:13
the Secretary of State tried to kick us
25:16
out and the State Police essentially
25:19
told him that what he was asking about
25:21
asking him to do was not lawful because
25:24
we have just as much of a right to be
25:26
there as any other campaign right and
25:28
and you know as we were leaving we were
25:34
first in line for the selfie line with
25:37
Elizabeth Warren and she sent out she
25:39
sends out a state trooper to tell us
25:41
that excuse me sir senator Warren will
25:45
not take a selfie with you so we we have
25:49
a pretty good lay of the place there in
25:51
the Statehouse so we went to one of the
25:54
entrances where we were the exits rather
25:56
where we figured she would be leaving
25:57
and of course she did make a mistake of
25:59
going through the same exit that we were
26:01
waiting at so we essentially chased her
26:04
out of the state of New Hampshire while
26:06
asking her if she believed in the
26:08
interstate rollercoaster system or the
26:10
weather domes we did not get an answer
26:13
of course and as she sped away I said
26:15
through my megaphone senator Warren what
26:17
are you afraid of and that was that what
26:23
what is the interstate rollercoaster
26:24
system the interstate rollercoaster
26:27
system is a public works project that
26:29
was introduced of course by the Supreme
26:32
administration in another timeline and
26:35
it is essentially a transportation
26:38
system that utilizes
26:39
roller coasters Wow okay in the comments
26:46
Desiree Lindsay also says you okay boom
26:48
and her uncle Oh indeed
26:52
her uncle was outside the Biden event he
26:57
came over to us and he was respectful at
27:00
first but then he was saying a whole
27:03
bunch of untrue things about things
27:05
Berman’s had supposedly done at a
27:08
Hillary Clinton event in 2016 or 2017
27:11
after the election and of course like I
27:15
said none of it’s true and he was saying
27:18
essentially that he used to like Berlin
27:21
but then he heard he did that and you
27:24
know he just lost all respect for him
27:25
and as soon as he stopped talking I
27:28
turned around I picked up my megaphone
27:30
again and I just said one final okay
27:32
boomer so he liked Berman until he did
27:37
something that he didn’t actually do
27:40
right okay boomer that’s that is funny
27:46
now okay so you’re the chief political
27:50
strategist of the vermin supreme ticket
27:53
what does that mean exactly what what
27:55
are the types of things that you’re
27:56
doing to – for the vermin to prefer that
28:00
I guess we’ll know the vermin spike
28:01
ticket for the vermin spike 2020 ticket
28:04
what what are your roles and what’s kind
28:05
of stuff that you do well an overarching
28:08
theme of my time on the campaign has
28:10
been figuring out people who would make
28:14
a good fit in some of the vacant roles
28:17
that we had had we had a media
28:20
coordinator we had a new media
28:22
coordinator we had newsletter writers
28:27
and so on and so forth that we needed to
28:31
we needed people to fill those roles and
28:34
I came up with the staffing essentially
28:38
and again not a solo effort
28:41
Desiree Lindsey has been a hundred
28:42
percent the mastermind behind everything
28:45
that happened you know and of course the
28:48
final arbiter of the decision-making but
28:50
essentially my role now
28:52
is from a grand planning point of view
28:57
assisting in making decisions where to
29:00
be what to say how to convey our message
29:04
in debates and of course this from a
29:09
strategic point of view how to run the
29:13
campaign and so of course one of the
29:17
smartest as chief strategist wanted one
29:20
of these smartest political choices that
29:22
vermin and the team have made that
29:24
anyone has ever made really was to pick
29:27
me as vermin’s running mate and I am of
29:30
course honored now scale of one to ten
29:32
how much do you regret that decision
29:34
I Logan I can tell I could tell that you
29:38
I can I can feel your your your your
29:41
recalcitrants at this whole thing but
29:44
talk talk to me about what were some of
29:46
the reasons that Berman and the team
29:47
that you know thought that I would be a
29:50
good running mate and and how wrong was
29:52
that well essentially what I looked at
29:56
was you you guys had a great chemistry
29:59
on his appearance on your show I saw
30:02
that Desiree saw that and I you know we
30:06
were talking about potential running
30:08
mates I was looking at other candidates
30:10
and currently seeking the nomination and
30:14
we were looking for a way that to
30:16
balance the ticket so we first of all we
30:19
wanted to go with someone a little bit
30:21
more right-wing we wanted to go with
30:24
someone who was not based entirely in
30:27
the realm of satire like Berman was and
30:30
we wanted someone who essentially who
30:33
understood what we were trying to do I
30:35
suggested you
30:37
Desiree mold it over the you know the
30:40
conversation eventually you know took
30:42
place with vermin he wanted to speak to
30:45
you you guys hit it off really well
30:47
again and you know he couldn’t be happy
30:50
with our pick either you know and it’s
30:53
just been totally fantastic ever since
30:55
then yeah I think we dovetail well
30:57
together in a lot of different ways he’s
30:59
in the north I’m in the south he’s more
31:02
like he said more on the on the left
31:03
side of the libertarian spectrum I’m
31:05
more on the right side which
31:06
this has been instructive in how little
31:08
difference there is between the left and
31:10
right let me get into a little bit of a
31:12
rant on that there’s so little
31:15
difference between the left and right on
31:16
the libertarian spectrum because we’re
31:19
not trying to actually coerce anyone
31:20
we’re essentially arguing over personal
31:23
preferences on what we would like our
31:24
voluntary community to look like that’s
31:27
a completely different argument from
31:28
authoritarians
31:29
on the left and on the right I’m doing
31:32
that so that it’s you are left and right
31:33
on the left and on the right who are
31:35
arguing over who’s going to force whom
31:38
to do what and that’s a completely
31:40
different argument once you’re once you
31:41
remove that coercion and you allow
31:43
people to make their own voluntary
31:44
choices now you’re just kind of debating
31:46
how things might look best and we can
31:49
figure that out once we get there but it
31:51
but I have much more alliance with a
31:54
left libertarian than for example a
31:57
Republican who may agree with me on some
32:00
things not a lot but on some things
32:02
about taxes or regulations or whatever
32:04
but then they also want to impose a lot
32:07
of things on me and everyone else and
32:09
themselves that a I’m not okay with and
32:11
B I wouldn’t want to be imposed on
32:13
anyone so but we balance out that whole
32:15
unity ticket we’re in different parts of
32:18
the country
32:20
I said recently he’s kind of 80% satire
32:22
20 percent serious in this candidate I’m
32:24
more of the 80 percent seriousness 20
32:26
percent satire candidate it all just
32:28
sort of dovetails well would you say if
32:30
anything it’s almost more like it it it
32:32
seems to intuitively make more sense as
32:35
it goes along right yeah of course and I
32:38
mean again it really I don’t know how
32:42
many times I’ve had people say to me
32:45
that I they don’t understand what kind
32:47
of libertarian I am and I say well I
32:49
would consider myself an anarchist and
32:51
they say well are you an an Kappa you
32:53
are are you more of a left-leaning
32:56
anarchist and the answer to that always
32:59
is well it doesn’t really matter unless
33:03
I’m going to try to force you to live
33:04
the way I am right exactly that’s the
33:07
that’s the very basis of this ticket you
33:09
don’t have to agree on everything to get
33:11
along well and want to implement the
33:14
same exact goal which is a voluntary
33:16
Society right so that essentially is
33:19
where
33:20
whole idea of having a left-leaning top
33:23
of the ticket and a right-leaning bottom
33:25
of the ticket you know type of campaign
33:28
came from yeah and it has to me anyway
33:32
it has worked out it has worked out
33:33
pretty well to that end were you at any
33:37
cc with vermin I was okay so for those
33:41
who don’t know and this is a perfect
33:43
example of why we think vermin’s the
33:44
best choice for this ticket the New
33:47
England College convention convention or
33:50
conference in Benjamin ok New England
33:53
College convention they have it every
33:55
four years for the for the presidential
33:57
candidates Trump spoke there in 2016
33:59
this year they had what tulsi gabbard
34:01
Tom Steyer what other candidates that
34:03
they have there I’m not exactly sure but
34:06
they had a number of other candidates
34:08
you know big-name candidates being named
34:10
in the currently I suppose most-watched
34:13
primary system the Democratic ticket
34:16
well and and other than that though the
34:20
only third-party candidate that they
34:21
that they invited this year I believe
34:23
that they’ve ever advisor running
34:25
supreme yeah so not only was the I
34:28
looked this up not only was he the only
34:31
Libertarian candidate that’s ever been
34:33
invited to this to speak along other
34:35
big-name candidates he’s the only
34:37
third-party candidate that has ever been
34:40
invited to this and he had the crowd
34:43
eating out of his hands tell us about
34:45
that Richard yeah absolutely
34:47
he went up and he did is his normal
34:52
comedy set is starting with a
34:55
performance of the national anthem
34:57
played on the megaphone you talked a
35:01
little bit about his plans for the pony
35:04
based economy he talked about some of
35:07
the other more of satirical positions
35:09
that his campaign has historically taken
35:11
and then someone asked him if the boot
35:14
came off and he he did this little act
35:17
where he grabbed onto the boot and he
35:19
twisted it around well he was kind of
35:20
smearing and yanked it off any dirt and
35:23
he goes more serious right serious
35:29
libertarian sided with his campaign and
35:32
the
35:33
love both sides of it of course for what
35:37
I could see people were walking back
35:39
into the conference to see what the hell
35:41
was going on because it was you know
35:44
what on earth is it he had people chant
35:47
the alphabet and then he led them on a
35:50
nonsensical what do we want when do we
35:53
want it what are we gonna do when we get
35:55
it right do we have a long-term plan for
35:58
this now that we have it like it like
36:01
that and then and then and and then he
36:04
he led them in the singing of an anthem
36:08
that he came up with on the spot yeah so
36:10
he’s doing all this silly stuff to get
36:11
people’s attention he has people that
36:13
have been you know their eyes are glazed
36:15
over from hearing candidates talk about
36:17
same thing over and over again and
36:19
they’re now coming back in their
36:20
re-energized they’re recharged he’s
36:22
captured their imagination
36:24
they’re they finding he’ll it find the
36:25
whole thing hilarious and then he starts
36:27
talking to him about libertarianism
36:28
about the libertarian message about the
36:31
Libertarian Party the libertarian
36:33
platform if he had just walked well
36:35
first of all if he hadn’t come with that
36:37
shtick he wouldn’t have been invited in
36:39
the first place but you know now that
36:41
he’s actually you know he’s a he’s been
36:44
invited and be he got their attention if
36:47
he had just come in you know straight
36:49
laced they would have given him you know
36:51
some attention or whatever and probably
36:53
tuned most of it out he had them eating
36:54
out of the palm of his hand and that’s
36:56
sort of what happens everywhere he goes
36:57
right of course and you know I think of
37:02
course Tom Steyer did speak after vermin
37:05
but from what the young lady sitting at
37:09
the registration table told me the only
37:11
reason that people had stayed was their
37:15
Berman supreme was going to be speaking
37:17
you know and they did not they did not
37:19
stay I would say for Tom Steyer the many
37:23
of them who were there for vermin left
37:24
after Berman spoke and from there of
37:28
course I said well it sounds to me like
37:30
burnings at the end of the event the
37:32
goal of putting him at the end was to
37:34
get people to stay another day that
37:37
makes him the keynote speaker and she
37:39
said well that sounds right to me and I
37:41
to me you know I I would just say that
37:44
my narrative absolutely would be in the
37:45
spin room that
37:46
supreme was the keynote speaker at the
37:49
new england called convention offensive
37:51
his a because of his comedy routine just
37:53
and because of the sheer amount of
37:55
attention he got and that’s this is a
37:56
perfect example when people who abused
37:58
footy but would know what now what is
38:00
people are paying attention when was the
38:02
last time you heard of a libertarian
38:04
candidate get invited to be the most
38:07
popular speaker at a big-name event and
38:09
by the way credit to Tom Steyer steyr
38:11
however you say that you know you you
38:13
gave Liz Warren you know you talked
38:15
about she didn’t want to be anywhere
38:16
near vermin Tom seemed to eat it up he
38:18
was enjoying it right like he was really
38:20
digging talking with vermin having him
38:22
right totally yeah he played our game
38:25
not once not twice not three times but
38:28
four times yeah once on his way in once
38:30
when once he left the actual room that
38:33
he gave his speech in another time as he
38:37
was walking away he you know he
38:39
interacted refirming again and then the
38:42
fourth time on the way out berman
38:44
stopped him and said wait a minute i
38:45
want to present you with a glitter time
38:47
which Tom Steyer graciously accepted
38:49
that’s awesome yeah you either get the
38:52
Joker you look like a moron like you
38:53
know it’s if you’re gonna get you know
38:57
uptight at someone having a fun time and
39:00
being you know he’s not hurting anyone
39:03
he’s just having a fun time if as a
39:05
candidate you can’t feed into that
39:07
you’re gonna have a bad time on the
39:10
campaign trail so and I would I would
39:14
also add that Tom Steyer did not get the
39:16
joke he but he still is very gracious
39:19
about the whole situation he did not
39:21
understand what is happening he didn’t
39:23
know who vermin supreme was he had never
39:25
heard of any abuse jokes before vermin
39:27
asked him like go back in time and kill
39:30
baby Hitler with him
39:31
Tom Steyer just laughed and said you
39:34
know it’s nice to meet you know there
39:36
was there was there was not a single
39:38
glimmer of recognition in his eyes on
39:41
his face or anything like that
39:43
he was totally lost but he you know he
39:45
was still able to enjoy the moment here
39:47
old with it at least okay well the good
39:48
enough fair enough
39:49
so this goes through some of these um do
39:51
some of these comments we’ve got Tyler
39:55
Smith says every time you say okay
39:56
boomer my Google Voice goes off the
39:59
the NSA is very interested in this
40:01
interview JC cook says hey you two
40:04
handsome bastards hey back at you
40:06
he also says Richard Manzo’s beard makes
40:09
my beard look like a sad clown
40:11
that’s true oh he oh this is good
40:13
question he said did you guys mean the
40:15
match shirts or is that just a sexy
40:16
accident did you know what I was gonna
40:17
wear no I
40:21
accident it’s going well it looks really
40:24
good where this is a sexy this is a very
40:27
like this really sexy moment happening
40:29
right now
40:30
Desiree Lindsey says yin and yang which
40:33
I agree
40:36
JC says he reaches a valuable voting
40:38
bloc young people I know it’s crazy that
40:40
young people can vote absolutely so
40:42
young people and politically
40:43
unaffiliated people who also happen to
40:46
be the two groups most likely to
40:47
consider voting third party tell us
40:50
about that Richard well again I mean I’m
40:53
21 years old I joined the Libertarian
40:55
Party because I was not satisfied with
40:57
the options that the Republicans and the
40:59
Democrats are giving me and but my story
41:02
is not typical many young people start
41:05
off as Democrats and eventually become
41:08
dissatisfied with the Democrats and
41:10
they’re more left-leaning but they end
41:13
up being attracted by these more leftist
41:15
authoritarian type such as right Bernie
41:17
Sanders and you know the goal of the
41:21
vermin supreme campaign much like Ron
41:23
Paul turned right-leaning young people
41:25
into live into right leaning
41:27
libertarians running and supreme concern
41:29
left-leaning young people into
41:30
left-libertarians as opposed to tanki’s
41:33
you know whatever else you might want to
41:35
call them we’re Democrats so Democratic
41:37
socialists are but you know even if they
41:39
don’t go to the full extreme of becoming
41:40
authoritarian communists Bernie grows
41:43
aoc supporters all on this stuff it’s
41:46
important that right now the narrative
41:49
is against what’s considered the right
41:52
whatever that is and and we can think
41:56
Trump for that we can think a lot of
41:57
things for that young people right now
42:00
are leaning to the left and if we don’t
42:02
approach them from that standpoint if
42:05
someone talks to us and says for example
42:07
you know I think health care is a human
42:09
right I think it’s terrible that people
42:11
are suffering and our response to that
42:13
is to go
42:13
you don’t understand rights healthcare
42:15
is not a right you moron you live tard
42:16
you know you know here’s what rate with
42:18
no negative rights only we’re gonna
42:20
break we we know these things on an
42:23
intellectual level but that’s not how
42:24
you come at someone who’s talking to you
42:26
that way you talk to them about why the
42:29
system doesn’t work you taught me first
42:31
of all if they’re not interested in what
42:33
you have to say you may have to use
42:34
humor to get to them but if they want to
42:36
have a serious conversation you have to
42:38
reach them from where they are and that
42:40
means approaching empathetically to
42:42
someone from the left and explaining the
42:44
reason that the insurance companies are
42:45
the way they are and the reason that the
42:47
health care providers are the way they
42:49
are is precisely because they have the
42:51
protection and and and and and you know
42:54
subsidization and taxing of the state
42:56
that is imposing them as the only as the
42:59
only way that you can get health care
43:00
and then and then going extrapolating
43:02
out to what the libertarian solution is
43:05
to that to open up the markets to free
43:07
people to make more choices to remove
43:09
the barriers that allow more competitors
43:11
coming in so on and so forth
43:12
and you can have that conversation and
43:14
instead of calling them a lid Lib tard
43:16
and you know roads don’t you know in
43:18
fact don’t care about your feelings and
43:19
and there is no right to health care
43:20
that’s not how you talk to them and so
43:22
vermin coming from a humorous empathetic
43:25
and and left-leaning standpoint but
43:27
still a very strong principled
43:29
libertarian actually anarchists
43:31
standpoint is the perfect way to reach
43:34
young people so it’s a good thing that
43:36
we’re that they’re doing that and then
43:37
of course this weekend is was was pretty
43:39
good for us so in New Hampshire on
43:43
Saturday
43:44
vermin won the what if he went he won
43:48
the the New Hampshire do you guys
43:50
consider it a primary I know you call it
43:52
the presidential poll but you won the
43:53
Libertarian Party of New Hampshire at
43:55
their convention basically the poll of
43:56
members of who they wanted to to be the
43:59
presidential pick yeah the the Executive
44:03
Committee would call it a primary some
44:05
people would call it a glorified straw
44:07
poll some people would call it just a
44:09
preference poll regardless of what you
44:11
call it Herman came out with the only
44:14
majority of approval we went we went
44:18
from round one to round two – then a
44:21
third approval voting ground where
44:24
vermin ended up taking the majority of
44:27
approval votes combined with the first
44:30
and second round picks of course and
44:33
thus he is the pick of the majority of
44:37
the people who responded to the poll so
44:40
he won that it’s non-binding but that’s
44:43
the first real true poll of members that
44:46
wasn’t just like an online poll which we
44:47
kill all the online polls to him and we
44:49
win pretty much all the online polls too
44:51
so this wasn’t a shocker but he did win
44:54
that I won the most right ends because I
44:57
had announced after the I guess I had
44:59
announced after the deadline to get on
45:01
the actual ballot yes so I won I won
45:04
that and John Phillips jr. one of my
45:07
good friends who was the only one on the
45:08
ballot so he won the ballot but then he
45:10
dropped out so the people that are still
45:12
thinking of running for vice president
45:14
I’m the winner I will take that as a win
45:17
the other thing that happened was in
45:19
Tennessee where I gave my landmark
45:23
speech of the to the Libertarian Party
45:27
of Tennessee and if you guys want to
45:30
check that out go to Muddy Waters media
45:33
and look for the spike Cowan I’ll
45:35
probably put it in the show notes
45:36
actually the video of me
45:39
basically blasting lincoln Chafee to his
45:41
face about some of the stuff he’s been
45:43
doing wrong with his voting record and
45:45
why contrasting that with how how much
45:49
better if a candidate Burman was so it’s
45:50
very cathartic to me and the audience
45:52
seemed to like it as well so be sure to
45:54
check that out so we had a good weekend
45:56
now I know I don’t have much more time
45:59
with you um but I just want to ask you
46:03
what is your message to those who are
46:06
watching who say he’s wearing a boot
46:09
he’s talking about ponies I even get the
46:13
joke but my concern is that for example
46:16
how is it gonna help Howard down-ticket
46:19
candidates down ballot candidates going
46:22
to deal with that messaging if they’re
46:24
more serious and he’s more of a you know
46:26
quote-unquote joke candidate what is the
46:28
best way you know how are they going to
46:31
be able to adjust to that what is what
46:34
is your feeling about that well vermin
46:37
would argue that it’s in the framing of
46:39
course but I would actually say
46:41
it’s about differentiating between a
46:43
serious candidate and a legitimate
46:46
effort vermin is very much making a
46:49
legitimate effort here he’s campaigned
46:52
for the Libertarian Party of New
46:54
Hampshire he’s recruited members he’s
46:56
grown our membership he’s campaigning to
46:59
libertarians of course but he is along
47:02
the way speaking to the general public
47:04
he uses his satirical candidate
47:08
character rather to get his foot in the
47:10
door with them but from there it is you
47:14
know almost almost all serious once he
47:17
has his foot in the door he’s making a
47:19
legitimate he’s making a legitimate
47:22
offer to use his garnered celebrity to
47:26
reach the all-important 5% of the vote I
47:30
believe that he can help many of our
47:32
down ticket candidates win I don’t
47:34
believe that it is realistic to expect
47:36
the libertarian presidency in in 2020 I
47:40
don’t believe that the establishment
47:42
will allow that to happen
47:43
but I do believe that his his character
47:47
can really help our down ticket
47:49
candidates and just to give you a few
47:51
examples myself I am an officeholder I
47:54
back vermin
47:55
Caleb Dyer former state Rep from New
47:58
Hampshire backs vermin another budget
48:02
committee member Spencer diets that I
48:04
had mentioned before backs berman
48:05
deborah altman out of out of us
48:10
absolutely a very very high-level office
48:14
holder backs Lerman and that that’s my
48:17
view on that very good and very good man
48:19
i you know you don’t have to sell me
48:22
anymore i i definitely was one of the
48:23
people who did not get a even got a
48:25
shtick I just didn’t get how it was
48:27
going to appeal to you know actually an
48:30
actual elected you know elected role and
48:33
how that would work with down ballot and
48:35
all of that stuff so very interesting
48:37
stuff so we have some series now this is
48:39
of course you know I don’t do gotcha
48:43
ants to gotcha questions but we are an
48:45
August and serious program here so we
48:49
have some serious questions for you
48:51
Clayton Hall wants to know what is
48:53
Manzo’s
48:54
um Waffle House order well unfortunately
48:59
in New Hampshire there aren’t any waffle
49:01
houses around here but of course the few
49:04
times that I’ve had the pleasure I you
49:06
know one of my favorite is the the pecan
49:09
waffle of course nice very good
49:11
pineapple pizza what is your stance on
49:14
that Jimmy Brittney hang-up Brittingham
49:17
ass what what’s uh pineapple pizza where
49:19
are you on that well I totally believe
49:22
in the legalization of it you don’t need
49:24
to consume it but you know if you want
49:25
to order a pineapple pizza I believe you
49:27
should be able to do that so you don’t
49:29
agree with the decisions of the
49:31
pineapple pizza community but you also
49:33
feel like it’s not your business and you
49:35
don’t want to use force against them for
49:36
for engaging in such I mean let’s face
49:39
it degenerate behavior correct that’s
49:42
fair no that’s fair that’s a good
49:44
compromise and Desiree Lindsey says we
49:47
have five elected libertarians on our
49:49
team actually six now I believe which is
49:51
again a very large number of elected
49:54
libertarians that are completely on
49:56
board with this this early on in the
49:58
process so I think that speaks very very
50:01
well Tim Donnie Smith says I’m on the KO
50:04
cash campaign but I like vermin um so ya
50:07
know III think I think that we have have
50:11
told vermin told vermin story pretty
50:14
well on this before it Dave Richard
50:17
before I let you go I have what’s called
50:19
final my fellow Americans where I give
50:22
you 30 seconds to answer a very
50:24
important question
50:25
and you’re a very important question is
50:28
this what percentage once we get the
50:33
nomination what percentage of the
50:36
popular vote do you think that we’re
50:39
gonna get in the presidential election
50:41
thirty seconds on the clock good luck
50:43
well of course you know confirming has
50:46
said five percent this is target I would
50:50
argue that we could get you know upwards
50:53
of 10 12 13 you know 14 at the
50:56
presidential level if
50:58
if we really put our minds to it and
51:01
then our down ticket I believe you know
51:03
we’ll see a lot of wins at the local and
51:06
state level I’m sorry I got distracted
51:10
so what’s your final number on the on
51:12
the that you would say we would get
51:14
Paulo ten percent ten percent okay fair
51:20
enough I I will say I the odds of us
51:26
winning the presidency are infinitesimal
51:29
for a myriad of reasons if we or anyone
51:32
else not just in this election cycle but
51:34
ever are going to win at that kind of
51:39
level keeping in mind that in 50 years
51:41
the Libertarian Party has never won a
51:42
statewide or federal election ever if we
51:46
were to ever start breaking into that
51:48
territory we have to have the general
51:52
public know our message and we have to
51:55
bring in people who are already married
51:57
to the Republic wrap left-right
51:59
rope-a-dope and so that’s gonna mean
52:01
reaching out to people who right now
52:03
think the entire system is a joke it’s
52:06
gonna mean reaching out to young people
52:08
who haven’t already participated in
52:09
voting yet but already can tell the
52:11
thing’s a joke and that it’s gamed
52:12
against them and you’re not gonna do
52:14
that with someone who at first
52:16
appearance is exactly like every other
52:18
politician out there even if what they
52:20
have to say is radically different
52:21
they’re gonna look they’re gonna see
52:22
politician nope walk the other way
52:25
vermin presents a very interesting way
52:28
to to stop that
52:29
so Richard again thank you so much for
52:32
coming on before I let you go I just
52:35
want to give you a chance to get give
52:37
any kind of final thoughts anything that
52:38
you felt like we didn’t get to talk
52:39
about promote your campaign anything
52:42
else you want to say as much time as you
52:44
want
52:44
Richard Manzo the floor is yours well I
52:49
would first say that if you are
52:50
interested please consider going over to
52:54
lph org joining the Libertarian Party of
52:57
New Hampshire we do accept out-of-state
52:59
members it will help our ballot access
53:00
Drive again go over to Vernon supreme
53:04
calm will redirect you over to the
53:07
campaign website make yourself a little
53:10
bit of a donation there by some March
53:12
and you know again I really think that a
53:15
lot of the concerns around nominating
53:18
him are very very much unbounded I do
53:22
believe that it is a high-risk
53:24
high-reward campaign I acknowledge that
53:26
very much but I do believe that he will
53:30
help a lot of our down ticket candidates
53:32
win and again you know I’ve seen some
53:35
people suggest that he might be there to
53:37
prank us I know from conversations with
53:39
him that that is not true ya know then I
53:42
think he’s not a dishonest person he is
53:45
very much one of the kindest and most
53:47
intelligent people that I’ve ever met
53:48
and last but not least I am running a
53:51
campaign for County Treasurer it is very
53:55
much a legitimate effort I have a good
53:56
shot of winning I have some name
53:58
recognition in the largest town in
54:00
Goffstown not a city there are about
54:03
20,000 people here I have some name
54:05
recognition here due to of course being
54:08
an elected official in a very much
54:11
directly related public trust dealing
54:14
with the town budget please consider
54:16
going over to politics dot raise the
54:19
money comm / R Manzo making a donation
54:23
and that you will of course make that
54:25
those efforts possible very good and we
54:29
have all those links in the show notes
54:30
so so no out-of-state people can join
54:34
the LP NH is that even if we’re members
54:36
of another state party as well yes oh
54:39
alright well then I’ll be doing that yes
54:42
that’ll help the New Hampshire party
54:44
would ballot access so let’s all join up
54:46
for that even if you’re not in New
54:47
Hampshire
54:47
LP and H dot org I will make sure that’s
54:50
in the show notes be sure to help
54:52
Richards campaign you can buy donating
54:55
or spreading the word about his his run
54:56
for County Treasurer and yeah I can tell
55:00
you right now anyone who thinks of
55:01
Herman is is joking or pranking us he
55:04
has invested way too much of himself in
55:07
this for this to be a joke like he has
55:09
put in more on this in terms of his time
55:12
and resources than pretty much anyone
55:14
else so that’s definitely this would be
55:16
one of the longest cons ever yeah it’s
55:19
not that is not what it is he’s he’s
55:22
actually a very honest man when he was
55:24
running
55:25
fake campaigns he was completely out in
55:28
the open about the fact that they were
55:29
completely fake campaigns and yet he
55:32
still came in fourth in New Hampshire so
55:34
you know now with the serious one let’s
55:36
see let’s see how we do Richard thank
55:38
you again for coming on I’d love to have
55:40
you come on again in the future
55:42
stick around with me during the outer
55:43
I’m gonna talk to you real quick during
55:45
that guys thanks again for tuning in to
55:47
my fellow Americans be sure to check us
55:49
out this weekend we’re gonna be dropping
55:51
all sorts of stuff because we’re gonna
55:52
be at the Libertarian Party of Georgia
55:54
Convention which is the whole weekend
55:56
Matt right and I are reunited and doing
56:00
doing stuff in person at LPGA know L
56:03
Libertarian Party GA it’s not the LPGA
56:06
but the so we’ll be doing that this
56:09
weekend and then tune in next Tuesday
56:10
for the muddy waters of freedom where
56:13
Matt Wright and I will be parsing
56:15
through the week’s events with the cheer
56:17
and goodwill of the sweet little winter
56:21
Wonder Boys that we are and then tune in
56:23
next week for a very special episode my
56:25
fellow Americans you’re not gonna
56:27
believe who my guest is because I don’t
56:29
know who it is
56:30
I haven’t booked it yet but it’s gonna
56:32
be great so have a great week see you
56:35
this weekend bourbon supreme 2020 where
56:38
is it vermin supreme is that on this one
56:40
we don’t have Bourbon Street – it’s a
56:41
picture of a badger this is kind of like
56:43
fur so go to vermin supreme 2020 calm
56:45
that’s a picture of a badger from spring
56:49
2020 calm thanks again for tuning in
56:50
guys god bless ya
56:53
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Local Jew. Contrarian stoic sentimentalist. Antidisestablishmentarianism. Will pet your dog.