(((My Fellow Americans))) #57: #KeepBanging with Richard Manzo

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shoutout material on turkeys momentum is
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always guys tonight’s guest is quite the
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underachiever he doesn’t do much at all
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he’s only the vice-chair of the
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Libertarian Party of New Hampshire newly
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reelected I might I add Vice Chair of
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the Libertarian Party of New Hampshire
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as well as the he’s an elected budget
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committee member of goffstown new
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hampshire
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I think that’s something it right and
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when he’s not doing all of that
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he’s the of course the chief strategist
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of the vermin spike 2020 campaign permit
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do a lot but my fellow Americans
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welcome to the show tonight the
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marvelous mr. Richard Manzo Richard
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thank you so much for tuning in tonight
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and joining us thank you for having me
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Mike I really couldn’t thank you more
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for having me on tonight this is a great
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opportunity to sit here with my vice
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presidential candidate thank you
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well thank you for coming on I’m really
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I’m really overwhelmed right now I’m
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sure you are as well so this is a moment
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we can be a little full emp’d but guys
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be sure to comment with your questions
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and thoughts and Richard and I will tell
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you if you are right or wrong now
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Richard this is your first time on the
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show and the first thing that I ever
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asked new guests on the show is to tell
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us a story
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a diddy if you will about how you became
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a libertarian was it like an aha moment
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or more of a gradual evolution of their
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time tell us about that tell us you’re
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your Manzo Diddy well for me becoming a
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libertarian actually progressed kind of
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slowly that when I was in high school I
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kind of did a little bit of a light
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volunteering if you will for Rand Paul
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on the Republican GOP primary in 2016
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well not my proudest moment of course
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but I continued my gradual decline into
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a libertarian madness from there who had
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started with joining the Libertarian
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Party of New Hampshire of course
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thinking was thinking about running for
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office wasn’t sure what I could do but
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then I realize you only needed to be 18
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to run for state Rep I reached out to
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the party and they you know they
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welcomed me with open arms since then so
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it’s been a very nice transition for me
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now you are again the Libertarian Party
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of New Hampshire’s vice-chair how long
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have you been doing that I have been the
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vice chair since last year it’s actually
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been about call it eight months my first
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term was not a whole year because our
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conventions moved up considerably but as
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you said I was newly reelected mm-hmm so
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they liked what you were doing clearly I
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would say so I was actually not
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reelected without without a challenge
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this year I did have an opponent in the
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election my good friend
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Jaret Rondo I’m glad that he was willing
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to step up and serve the party and now
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elected to the at-large position on the
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executive committee of course and I’m
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glad that he was willing to do that but
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of course my fellow party members did
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select me and I’m very grateful
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that’s very cool so tell the vice-chair
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so last week i had brento ritter who is
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the vice chair of the north carolina
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libertarian party and now you’re with
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new hampshire what are the kind of
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things that you do as the place chair of
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the party well I do a lot of the
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background work for their chair Brian
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shields I assist him in prepare
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and agendas for meetings you know I felt
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I feel in whether it’s a prescribed duty
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for example like overseeing the election
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of the chair I present sometimes the
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awards of the lph conventions that go to
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our best and brightest members of course
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and other than that it’s just a whole
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lot of activism and spokesmen shift
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every party so you’re looking you look
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you get basically looking pretty a lot
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you gotta look pretty
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of course well you’re you’re you’re
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killing it
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what are you who are you wearing by the
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way this is amazing what do you who are
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you wearing right now ah this is
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JCPenney clearance rack I don’t know any
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more than that well it hangs on you
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beautifully my friend let me tell you
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that Richard as we noted before you are
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the vice chair of the party of the
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Libertarian Party of New Hampshire I ask
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this usually of any people that come on
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that are officials with the state party
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or running for office of course there
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are a lot of people who are libertarian
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who also believed that the electoral pot
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process is completely irrelevant that
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engaging in it is a total waste of time
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they believe to quote George Carlin if
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voting mattered they wouldn’t let you do
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it and I can kind of empathize with that
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but then at the same time I argue that
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voting to reduce the state is similar to
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defending yourself in court you are
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using the state’s apparatus but it’s to
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try to protect yourself from further
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harm with the understanding that you’re
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kind of on the hook for whatever the
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decision is by the state anyway so it
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makes sense to try to fight back against
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that what what are your thoughts on that
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well I actually believe in what the more
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left-leaning libertarians might call a
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diversity of tactics and what that means
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to me is that of course if we’re looking
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to dismantle the state or reduce our
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reliance on the state as a society then
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of course we’re going to need to create
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these mutual aid networks these
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voluntary associations if you will to
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take up the slack but beyond that I do
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believe in participating in the
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electoral system because I believe you
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can turn yourself into a stumbling block
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if you will in the government’s race to
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authoritarianism we’re getting closer
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every day but the more
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libertarians we add to office eventually
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we will be able to slow that roll down
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and eventually reverse the direction and
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so do you mentioned dismantling the
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state do you consider yourself an
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anarchist or a minister III do I do
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consider myself an anarchist yes very
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good team anarchists so right so and
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that’s sort of my thought is that if
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nothing else it blunts things but then
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there’s also the fact that because so
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many people see legitimacy in the
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electoral pop process you’re able to
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kind of leverage that to push for you
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know a post state or at least a smaller
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state system as opposed to seeding that
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whole territory to people arguing over
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how much more we should grow the
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government right I agree and beyond that
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you know if you’re in a legislature for
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example a town council city council
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County Supervisor County Commission
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Budget Committee even would have power
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over the spending of the government
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which and spending is not the end-all
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be-all of freedom but it is a good
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metric to see what your government is
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doing and what your government spends
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the money that it steals from you on a
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weekly monthly quarterly basis right
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yearly basis and if you can reduce the
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amount of money that they take from the
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people you can reduce the amount that
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they’re able to do so I do believe in
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running for those types of offices right
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absolutely and I mean you again the the
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you’re able to leverage media earned
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media that you can get from a political
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campaign to actually try to effect
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change from the messaging standpoint
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which we’ll talk more about that in a
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bit now to that end as I mentioned
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before you are an extremely rare breed
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in the Libertarian Party you’re an
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elected official
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tell us about your position and what you
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do so the Budget Committee in Goffstown
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there’s two types of budget committees
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in New Hampshire there are statutory
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budget committees and there are advisory
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but budget committees and advisory
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budget committee has almost no power
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they tell
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the Town Council the City Council the
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select board whatever it may be what
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they would like as a budget but it is
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almost rests entirely on the select
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board but I am on a statutory budget
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committee we do prepare the budget we do
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present it to the town voters and it
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goes
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eventually onto the ballot for final
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approval by the voters so it’s a 12
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person committee I’m happy to say that
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three of the members on that committee
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are LP NH members myself Spencer diets
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Denis Lynch all members of the party so
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it’s actually it’s actually quite above
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the national average for libertarians
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and government yeah that’s that’s what
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so that’s a 20 something percent of the
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of the 25 percent that’s right yeah
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which is much higher than the average of
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0% right or 0.4 whatever percent it
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would be you know if you average it out
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so you’re batting well above your your
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pay grade there so how will have you so
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perfect example people will say to me
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okay great we get libertarians elected
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to various positions president down to
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the dog catcher and everything in
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between now what you know now that
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you’re in there so tell us about that
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you’re a libertarian you ran on I would
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assume lis a libertarian you know
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platform and now you’re in there what
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are you doing as a libertarian that
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helps to to you know blunt the the power
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of the state or the progression of the
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state there there’s two sides to go to
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what I do as a Budget Committee member
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first of all of course I propose I
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support and I back the cuts to the
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budget that myself would present or or
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any of the other members would present
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right and the other side to that is
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eliminating wasteful spending for
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example we’ve had you know a DEA
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compliance issues that we’ve need to
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address as a town and yes it might be
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ten thousand dollars a hundred thousand
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dollars here there but it hopes it helps
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us avoid opening the hole you know we
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system can of worms but I want to get
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sued so if it if it saves us money to
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spend a little bit of money I will
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support that just because I want to of
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course protect the town from having to
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spend extraneous money of course
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something like an 88 you know federal ad
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a lawsuit could cost you millions as
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opposed to putting a ramp somewhere so I
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I get that have you found that your in
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your advocacy of you know pushing for
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less spending or whatever at least what
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less wasteful spending has that been has
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because the other what nine members are
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not libertarian die assume they’re
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Republicans Democrats independents right
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correct and I would I would argue that
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it is somewhat effective it’s not as
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effective as it probably should be the
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Budget Committee for quite a long time
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has never had a a contested election
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it’s been I would say largely a rubber
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stamp on the budget that’s presented to
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us by the department heads and by the
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select board but that being said this
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year we did remove about $600,000 in
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spending from the budget and you know in
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a town with a budget of 20 million
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dollars that’s a good first step in my
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view yeah that’s well especially when
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you make up a quarter of the legislature
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the fact that you’re able to blunt it at
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all is is a good thing so and now we
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have now you’re running for re-election
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this year or no I’m not running for
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re-election for another two years and
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one year into my term I am running for
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County Treasurer and oh I’m sorry
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okay okay so you’re running for County
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Treasurer for your County and we have a
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link to donate to your election campaign
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in the in the show notes it is let’s see
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so I have donate to me at ball change
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that but it’s politics dot raised the
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money calm slash R Manzo but it’s in the
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it’s in the show notes so if you’re
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interested in helping Richard get
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elected to to the what was it again the
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treasurer it it’s yes County Train here
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County Treasurer Department
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then be sure to go to that and and give
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whatever you can so before we get
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started talking about the main thing
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that we’re here to talk about I just
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want to talk about an initiative that
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the that we started on where is it we
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don’t have it
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yeah we do it’s called Mary toothbrush
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and this is an initiative from the
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vermin’s bike 2020 campaign campaign and
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the dignity ministry which is based in
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the Myrtle Beach South Carolina area and
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they help with the homeless we’re doing
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something called the Mary toothbrush
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campaign if you press the donate button
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and then and and make a donation of $10
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then you will get a we have these
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toothbrushes that are the packaging that
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it’s in is signed by vermin supreme we
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will sign your name next to vermin and
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and hand it out or basically write
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whatever you want there and hand it out
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to the homeless as part of a care
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package that they’re receiving and then
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if you give $25 or more I will sign next
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to vermin’s name and actually mail it to
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you so you have a memento of helping our
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campaign and dignity ministry half of
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all of the proceeds are gonna go to the
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vermin spike 2020 campaign the other
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half are gonna go to the dignity
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ministry to help homeless people in the
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Myrtle Beach South Carolina area be sure
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to go to Berman supreme 2020 com press
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the donate button and and let them know
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that it’s for dignity dignity ministry
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and and either they will get the
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toothbrush or you will get the
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toothbrush depending on on how much you
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gave that’s our Mary toothbrush campaign
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now speaking of which Richard let’s talk
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about vermin supreme how did you meet
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vermin I don’t actually know this how
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did you meet him
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the first time I met vermin supreme was
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at Liberty forum I believe in 2018 we
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met at the conventions vendor Hall
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Fuhrman came in this is a funny little
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story he walks in he puts his stuff down
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on a table in the middle of the room I
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walk up to him and he says that he
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doesn’t have his breath mints with him
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so I walk over to my coat I grab out a
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package of Ralph’s roids that I open up
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to him and I say well I actually had
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some with me if you if you’d like some
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yes thank you and he took about you know
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a small handful of them when I expected
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him to take one or two and you know we
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kind of hit it off since then we’ve been
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met again at the Libertarian Party of
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Hampshire Convention we talked quite
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extensively and I hear that he was very
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pleased with what he heard from me and
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you know things went from there and now
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were you part of the because I know
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Desiree Lindsey the campaign manager was
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one of the people that was pushing for
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him to to actually do eight and for
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those who don’t know vermin supreme has
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been running for president for thirty
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years but this is his first time of an
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actual serious campaign before it was
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just sort of a performance-art satire
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thing that he was doing and he’s now
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taking that satirical approach and
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applying it to a serious campaign with a
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campaign staff and we are by many
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accounts the frontrunners right now
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which is very interesting um but and we
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could think people like Richard for that
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but were you part of the original you
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know group that was trying to get him to
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run back and I guess 2018 to actually do
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a serious run for the for the nomination
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no I wasn’t I feel like if I was able to
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think of things like that ahead of time
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I’d be you know a very rich man
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inventing many great apps many great
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websites many great you know social
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medias but worse no I’m not that I’m not
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quite that smart I am good I do have a
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little bit of a strategic mindset but no
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I wasn’t I did not have that local port
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site so you were brought in after the
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fact and are now they’re there their
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chief strategist do you know what was
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the precedent for the the or what
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preceded the idea of even having him run
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do you know the story behind that no I
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don’t actually but I do know that
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Desiree had helped him with his run for
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Kansas Kansas I believe Attorney General
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where they you know essentially
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exploited a loophole that allowed
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out-of-state people to run for a an
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executive level office in the state of
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Kansas yes that’s hilarious
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I wonder if they close that loophole
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left
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now you have done a tremendous number of
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high jinks I’m actually I’m like it’s
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it’s hilarious some of the funniest
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things Berman has done has been with you
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what tell us about what was the first
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thing that you remember that was like a
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like a shenanigan type thing that you
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that you got involved with with vermin
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first thing I would have to say either
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going to the State House for the Biden
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event where we were upstairs waiting
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outside secretary of state bill Gardner
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office waiting for Biden to show up and
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we were chanting okay boomer our example
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we were we were telling that the crowd
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there too if they have weed to light it
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up of course they did not they were very
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agitated the entire time not relaxed at
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all not enjoying us but we had a good
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time that’s funny so and that was the
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same time that you guys came up with the
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impeach Biden or something like that
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they would chant and then you would say
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something till it was at the same time
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yeah they were they were saying they
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were doing some sort of silly
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impeachment chant and we would since we
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had megaphones and they didn’t we would
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insert essentially whatever they
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whatever we wanted into their chant and
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it would sound like they were in fact
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going along with power chant because we
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were just so much louder than they were
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and so they were because it started with
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they would say when I say president you
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say Biden and they’d say President Biden
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right yeah and then you guys would say
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impeach I guess yeah great
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that is hilarious I I was trying to find
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video of it and I could only find the
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video where you can hear it as opposed
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to like actually like where you can see
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that you guys doing it but um so that
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that’s really really funny
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um tell us what what what’s another what
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are some other hijinks that you’ve
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gotten into with vermin
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well of course after that portion of
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that event we were outside
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as they’re being blocked off
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[Music]
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at the time previa one of our previous
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governor’s governor Lynch was speaking
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you can hear me over him not behind him
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but over him and it was just generally a
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very disruptive day for us and then
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later on we did something extremely
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similar with the Elizabeth Warren
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campaign where they came to town to file
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for the primary we were upstairs
25:00
standing right at the door we had a
25:04
number of interactions with the State
25:06
Police where the Elizabeth Warren people
25:09
were trying to kick us out of course
25:11
they had no legal authority to do so for
25:13
the Secretary of State tried to kick us
25:16
out and the State Police essentially
25:19
told him that what he was asking about
25:21
asking him to do was not lawful because
25:24
we have just as much of a right to be
25:26
there as any other campaign right and
25:28
and you know as we were leaving we were
25:34
first in line for the selfie line with
25:37
Elizabeth Warren and she sent out she
25:39
sends out a state trooper to tell us
25:41
that excuse me sir senator Warren will
25:45
not take a selfie with you so we we have
25:49
a pretty good lay of the place there in
25:51
the Statehouse so we went to one of the
25:54
entrances where we were the exits rather
25:56
where we figured she would be leaving
25:57
and of course she did make a mistake of
25:59
going through the same exit that we were
26:01
waiting at so we essentially chased her
26:04
out of the state of New Hampshire while
26:06
asking her if she believed in the
26:08
interstate rollercoaster system or the
26:10
weather domes we did not get an answer
26:13
of course and as she sped away I said
26:15
through my megaphone senator Warren what
26:17
are you afraid of and that was that what
26:23
what is the interstate rollercoaster
26:24
system the interstate rollercoaster
26:27
system is a public works project that
26:29
was introduced of course by the Supreme
26:32
administration in another timeline and
26:35
it is essentially a transportation
26:38
system that utilizes
26:39
roller coasters Wow okay in the comments
26:46
Desiree Lindsay also says you okay boom
26:48
and her uncle Oh indeed
26:52
her uncle was outside the Biden event he
26:57
came over to us and he was respectful at
27:00
first but then he was saying a whole
27:03
bunch of untrue things about things
27:05
Berman’s had supposedly done at a
27:08
Hillary Clinton event in 2016 or 2017
27:11
after the election and of course like I
27:15
said none of it’s true and he was saying
27:18
essentially that he used to like Berlin
27:21
but then he heard he did that and you
27:24
know he just lost all respect for him
27:25
and as soon as he stopped talking I
27:28
turned around I picked up my megaphone
27:30
again and I just said one final okay
27:32
boomer so he liked Berman until he did
27:37
something that he didn’t actually do
27:40
right okay boomer that’s that is funny
27:46
now okay so you’re the chief political
27:50
strategist of the vermin supreme ticket
27:53
what does that mean exactly what what
27:55
are the types of things that you’re
27:56
doing to – for the vermin to prefer that
28:00
I guess we’ll know the vermin spike
28:01
ticket for the vermin spike 2020 ticket
28:04
what what are your roles and what’s kind
28:05
of stuff that you do well an overarching
28:08
theme of my time on the campaign has
28:10
been figuring out people who would make
28:14
a good fit in some of the vacant roles
28:17
that we had had we had a media
28:20
coordinator we had a new media
28:22
coordinator we had newsletter writers
28:27
and so on and so forth that we needed to
28:31
we needed people to fill those roles and
28:34
I came up with the staffing essentially
28:38
and again not a solo effort
28:41
Desiree Lindsey has been a hundred
28:42
percent the mastermind behind everything
28:45
that happened you know and of course the
28:48
final arbiter of the decision-making but
28:50
essentially my role now
28:52
is from a grand planning point of view
28:57
assisting in making decisions where to
29:00
be what to say how to convey our message
29:04
in debates and of course this from a
29:09
strategic point of view how to run the
29:13
campaign and so of course one of the
29:17
smartest as chief strategist wanted one
29:20
of these smartest political choices that
29:22
vermin and the team have made that
29:24
anyone has ever made really was to pick
29:27
me as vermin’s running mate and I am of
29:30
course honored now scale of one to ten
29:32
how much do you regret that decision
29:34
I Logan I can tell I could tell that you
29:38
I can I can feel your your your your
29:41
recalcitrants at this whole thing but
29:44
talk talk to me about what were some of
29:46
the reasons that Berman and the team
29:47
that you know thought that I would be a
29:50
good running mate and and how wrong was
29:52
that well essentially what I looked at
29:56
was you you guys had a great chemistry
29:59
on his appearance on your show I saw
30:02
that Desiree saw that and I you know we
30:06
were talking about potential running
30:08
mates I was looking at other candidates
30:10
and currently seeking the nomination and
30:14
we were looking for a way that to
30:16
balance the ticket so we first of all we
30:19
wanted to go with someone a little bit
30:21
more right-wing we wanted to go with
30:24
someone who was not based entirely in
30:27
the realm of satire like Berman was and
30:30
we wanted someone who essentially who
30:33
understood what we were trying to do I
30:35
suggested you
30:37
Desiree mold it over the you know the
30:40
conversation eventually you know took
30:42
place with vermin he wanted to speak to
30:45
you you guys hit it off really well
30:47
again and you know he couldn’t be happy
30:50
with our pick either you know and it’s
30:53
just been totally fantastic ever since
30:55
then yeah I think we dovetail well
30:57
together in a lot of different ways he’s
30:59
in the north I’m in the south he’s more
31:02
like he said more on the on the left
31:03
side of the libertarian spectrum I’m
31:05
more on the right side which
31:06
this has been instructive in how little
31:08
difference there is between the left and
31:10
right let me get into a little bit of a
31:12
rant on that there’s so little
31:15
difference between the left and right on
31:16
the libertarian spectrum because we’re
31:19
not trying to actually coerce anyone
31:20
we’re essentially arguing over personal
31:23
preferences on what we would like our
31:24
voluntary community to look like that’s
31:27
a completely different argument from
31:28
authoritarians
31:29
on the left and on the right I’m doing
31:32
that so that it’s you are left and right
31:33
on the left and on the right who are
31:35
arguing over who’s going to force whom
31:38
to do what and that’s a completely
31:40
different argument once you’re once you
31:41
remove that coercion and you allow
31:43
people to make their own voluntary
31:44
choices now you’re just kind of debating
31:46
how things might look best and we can
31:49
figure that out once we get there but it
31:51
but I have much more alliance with a
31:54
left libertarian than for example a
31:57
Republican who may agree with me on some
32:00
things not a lot but on some things
32:02
about taxes or regulations or whatever
32:04
but then they also want to impose a lot
32:07
of things on me and everyone else and
32:09
themselves that a I’m not okay with and
32:11
B I wouldn’t want to be imposed on
32:13
anyone so but we balance out that whole
32:15
unity ticket we’re in different parts of
32:18
the country
32:20
I said recently he’s kind of 80% satire
32:22
20 percent serious in this candidate I’m
32:24
more of the 80 percent seriousness 20
32:26
percent satire candidate it all just
32:28
sort of dovetails well would you say if
32:30
anything it’s almost more like it it it
32:32
seems to intuitively make more sense as
32:35
it goes along right yeah of course and I
32:38
mean again it really I don’t know how
32:42
many times I’ve had people say to me
32:45
that I they don’t understand what kind
32:47
of libertarian I am and I say well I
32:49
would consider myself an anarchist and
32:51
they say well are you an an Kappa you
32:53
are are you more of a left-leaning
32:56
anarchist and the answer to that always
32:59
is well it doesn’t really matter unless
33:03
I’m going to try to force you to live
33:04
the way I am right exactly that’s the
33:07
that’s the very basis of this ticket you
33:09
don’t have to agree on everything to get
33:11
along well and want to implement the
33:14
same exact goal which is a voluntary
33:16
Society right so that essentially is
33:19
where
33:20
whole idea of having a left-leaning top
33:23
of the ticket and a right-leaning bottom
33:25
of the ticket you know type of campaign
33:28
came from yeah and it has to me anyway
33:32
it has worked out it has worked out
33:33
pretty well to that end were you at any
33:37
cc with vermin I was okay so for those
33:41
who don’t know and this is a perfect
33:43
example of why we think vermin’s the
33:44
best choice for this ticket the New
33:47
England College convention convention or
33:50
conference in Benjamin ok New England
33:53
College convention they have it every
33:55
four years for the for the presidential
33:57
candidates Trump spoke there in 2016
33:59
this year they had what tulsi gabbard
34:01
Tom Steyer what other candidates that
34:03
they have there I’m not exactly sure but
34:06
they had a number of other candidates
34:08
you know big-name candidates being named
34:10
in the currently I suppose most-watched
34:13
primary system the Democratic ticket
34:16
well and and other than that though the
34:20
only third-party candidate that they
34:21
that they invited this year I believe
34:23
that they’ve ever advisor running
34:25
supreme yeah so not only was the I
34:28
looked this up not only was he the only
34:31
Libertarian candidate that’s ever been
34:33
invited to this to speak along other
34:35
big-name candidates he’s the only
34:37
third-party candidate that has ever been
34:40
invited to this and he had the crowd
34:43
eating out of his hands tell us about
34:45
that Richard yeah absolutely
34:47
he went up and he did is his normal
34:52
comedy set is starting with a
34:55
performance of the national anthem
34:57
played on the megaphone you talked a
35:01
little bit about his plans for the pony
35:04
based economy he talked about some of
35:07
the other more of satirical positions
35:09
that his campaign has historically taken
35:11
and then someone asked him if the boot
35:14
came off and he he did this little act
35:17
where he grabbed onto the boot and he
35:19
twisted it around well he was kind of
35:20
smearing and yanked it off any dirt and
35:23
he goes more serious right serious
35:29
libertarian sided with his campaign and
35:32
the
35:33
love both sides of it of course for what
35:37
I could see people were walking back
35:39
into the conference to see what the hell
35:41
was going on because it was you know
35:44
what on earth is it he had people chant
35:47
the alphabet and then he led them on a
35:50
nonsensical what do we want when do we
35:53
want it what are we gonna do when we get
35:55
it right do we have a long-term plan for
35:58
this now that we have it like it like
36:01
that and then and then and and then he
36:04
he led them in the singing of an anthem
36:08
that he came up with on the spot yeah so
36:10
he’s doing all this silly stuff to get
36:11
people’s attention he has people that
36:13
have been you know their eyes are glazed
36:15
over from hearing candidates talk about
36:17
same thing over and over again and
36:19
they’re now coming back in their
36:20
re-energized they’re recharged he’s
36:22
captured their imagination
36:24
they’re they finding he’ll it find the
36:25
whole thing hilarious and then he starts
36:27
talking to him about libertarianism
36:28
about the libertarian message about the
36:31
Libertarian Party the libertarian
36:33
platform if he had just walked well
36:35
first of all if he hadn’t come with that
36:37
shtick he wouldn’t have been invited in
36:39
the first place but you know now that
36:41
he’s actually you know he’s a he’s been
36:44
invited and be he got their attention if
36:47
he had just come in you know straight
36:49
laced they would have given him you know
36:51
some attention or whatever and probably
36:53
tuned most of it out he had them eating
36:54
out of the palm of his hand and that’s
36:56
sort of what happens everywhere he goes
36:57
right of course and you know I think of
37:02
course Tom Steyer did speak after vermin
37:05
but from what the young lady sitting at
37:09
the registration table told me the only
37:11
reason that people had stayed was their
37:15
Berman supreme was going to be speaking
37:17
you know and they did not they did not
37:19
stay I would say for Tom Steyer the many
37:23
of them who were there for vermin left
37:24
after Berman spoke and from there of
37:28
course I said well it sounds to me like
37:30
burnings at the end of the event the
37:32
goal of putting him at the end was to
37:34
get people to stay another day that
37:37
makes him the keynote speaker and she
37:39
said well that sounds right to me and I
37:41
to me you know I I would just say that
37:44
my narrative absolutely would be in the
37:45
spin room that
37:46
supreme was the keynote speaker at the
37:49
new england called convention offensive
37:51
his a because of his comedy routine just
37:53
and because of the sheer amount of
37:55
attention he got and that’s this is a
37:56
perfect example when people who abused
37:58
footy but would know what now what is
38:00
people are paying attention when was the
38:02
last time you heard of a libertarian
38:04
candidate get invited to be the most
38:07
popular speaker at a big-name event and
38:09
by the way credit to Tom Steyer steyr
38:11
however you say that you know you you
38:13
gave Liz Warren you know you talked
38:15
about she didn’t want to be anywhere
38:16
near vermin Tom seemed to eat it up he
38:18
was enjoying it right like he was really
38:20
digging talking with vermin having him
38:22
right totally yeah he played our game
38:25
not once not twice not three times but
38:28
four times yeah once on his way in once
38:30
when once he left the actual room that
38:33
he gave his speech in another time as he
38:37
was walking away he you know he
38:39
interacted refirming again and then the
38:42
fourth time on the way out berman
38:44
stopped him and said wait a minute i
38:45
want to present you with a glitter time
38:47
which Tom Steyer graciously accepted
38:49
that’s awesome yeah you either get the
38:52
Joker you look like a moron like you
38:53
know it’s if you’re gonna get you know
38:57
uptight at someone having a fun time and
39:00
being you know he’s not hurting anyone
39:03
he’s just having a fun time if as a
39:05
candidate you can’t feed into that
39:07
you’re gonna have a bad time on the
39:10
campaign trail so and I would I would
39:14
also add that Tom Steyer did not get the
39:16
joke he but he still is very gracious
39:19
about the whole situation he did not
39:21
understand what is happening he didn’t
39:23
know who vermin supreme was he had never
39:25
heard of any abuse jokes before vermin
39:27
asked him like go back in time and kill
39:30
baby Hitler with him
39:31
Tom Steyer just laughed and said you
39:34
know it’s nice to meet you know there
39:36
was there was there was not a single
39:38
glimmer of recognition in his eyes on
39:41
his face or anything like that
39:43
he was totally lost but he you know he
39:45
was still able to enjoy the moment here
39:47
old with it at least okay well the good
39:48
enough fair enough
39:49
so this goes through some of these um do
39:51
some of these comments we’ve got Tyler
39:55
Smith says every time you say okay
39:56
boomer my Google Voice goes off the
39:59
the NSA is very interested in this
40:01
interview JC cook says hey you two
40:04
handsome bastards hey back at you
40:06
he also says Richard Manzo’s beard makes
40:09
my beard look like a sad clown
40:11
that’s true oh he oh this is good
40:13
question he said did you guys mean the
40:15
match shirts or is that just a sexy
40:16
accident did you know what I was gonna
40:17
wear no I
40:21
accident it’s going well it looks really
40:24
good where this is a sexy this is a very
40:27
like this really sexy moment happening
40:29
right now
40:30
Desiree Lindsey says yin and yang which
40:33
I agree
40:36
JC says he reaches a valuable voting
40:38
bloc young people I know it’s crazy that
40:40
young people can vote absolutely so
40:42
young people and politically
40:43
unaffiliated people who also happen to
40:46
be the two groups most likely to
40:47
consider voting third party tell us
40:50
about that Richard well again I mean I’m
40:53
21 years old I joined the Libertarian
40:55
Party because I was not satisfied with
40:57
the options that the Republicans and the
40:59
Democrats are giving me and but my story
41:02
is not typical many young people start
41:05
off as Democrats and eventually become
41:08
dissatisfied with the Democrats and
41:10
they’re more left-leaning but they end
41:13
up being attracted by these more leftist
41:15
authoritarian type such as right Bernie
41:17
Sanders and you know the goal of the
41:21
vermin supreme campaign much like Ron
41:23
Paul turned right-leaning young people
41:25
into live into right leaning
41:27
libertarians running and supreme concern
41:29
left-leaning young people into
41:30
left-libertarians as opposed to tanki’s
41:33
you know whatever else you might want to
41:35
call them we’re Democrats so Democratic
41:37
socialists are but you know even if they
41:39
don’t go to the full extreme of becoming
41:40
authoritarian communists Bernie grows
41:43
aoc supporters all on this stuff it’s
41:46
important that right now the narrative
41:49
is against what’s considered the right
41:52
whatever that is and and we can think
41:56
Trump for that we can think a lot of
41:57
things for that young people right now
42:00
are leaning to the left and if we don’t
42:02
approach them from that standpoint if
42:05
someone talks to us and says for example
42:07
you know I think health care is a human
42:09
right I think it’s terrible that people
42:11
are suffering and our response to that
42:13
is to go
42:13
you don’t understand rights healthcare
42:15
is not a right you moron you live tard
42:16
you know you know here’s what rate with
42:18
no negative rights only we’re gonna
42:20
break we we know these things on an
42:23
intellectual level but that’s not how
42:24
you come at someone who’s talking to you
42:26
that way you talk to them about why the
42:29
system doesn’t work you taught me first
42:31
of all if they’re not interested in what
42:33
you have to say you may have to use
42:34
humor to get to them but if they want to
42:36
have a serious conversation you have to
42:38
reach them from where they are and that
42:40
means approaching empathetically to
42:42
someone from the left and explaining the
42:44
reason that the insurance companies are
42:45
the way they are and the reason that the
42:47
health care providers are the way they
42:49
are is precisely because they have the
42:51
protection and and and and and you know
42:54
subsidization and taxing of the state
42:56
that is imposing them as the only as the
42:59
only way that you can get health care
43:00
and then and then going extrapolating
43:02
out to what the libertarian solution is
43:05
to that to open up the markets to free
43:07
people to make more choices to remove
43:09
the barriers that allow more competitors
43:11
coming in so on and so forth
43:12
and you can have that conversation and
43:14
instead of calling them a lid Lib tard
43:16
and you know roads don’t you know in
43:18
fact don’t care about your feelings and
43:19
and there is no right to health care
43:20
that’s not how you talk to them and so
43:22
vermin coming from a humorous empathetic
43:25
and and left-leaning standpoint but
43:27
still a very strong principled
43:29
libertarian actually anarchists
43:31
standpoint is the perfect way to reach
43:34
young people so it’s a good thing that
43:36
we’re that they’re doing that and then
43:37
of course this weekend is was was pretty
43:39
good for us so in New Hampshire on
43:43
Saturday
43:44
vermin won the what if he went he won
43:48
the the New Hampshire do you guys
43:50
consider it a primary I know you call it
43:52
the presidential poll but you won the
43:53
Libertarian Party of New Hampshire at
43:55
their convention basically the poll of
43:56
members of who they wanted to to be the
43:59
presidential pick yeah the the Executive
44:03
Committee would call it a primary some
44:05
people would call it a glorified straw
44:07
poll some people would call it just a
44:09
preference poll regardless of what you
44:11
call it Herman came out with the only
44:14
majority of approval we went we went
44:18
from round one to round two – then a
44:21
third approval voting ground where
44:24
vermin ended up taking the majority of
44:27
approval votes combined with the first
44:30
and second round picks of course and
44:33
thus he is the pick of the majority of
44:37
the people who responded to the poll so
44:40
he won that it’s non-binding but that’s
44:43
the first real true poll of members that
44:46
wasn’t just like an online poll which we
44:47
kill all the online polls to him and we
44:49
win pretty much all the online polls too
44:51
so this wasn’t a shocker but he did win
44:54
that I won the most right ends because I
44:57
had announced after the I guess I had
44:59
announced after the deadline to get on
45:01
the actual ballot yes so I won I won
45:04
that and John Phillips jr. one of my
45:07
good friends who was the only one on the
45:08
ballot so he won the ballot but then he
45:10
dropped out so the people that are still
45:12
thinking of running for vice president
45:14
I’m the winner I will take that as a win
45:17
the other thing that happened was in
45:19
Tennessee where I gave my landmark
45:23
speech of the to the Libertarian Party
45:27
of Tennessee and if you guys want to
45:30
check that out go to Muddy Waters media
45:33
and look for the spike Cowan I’ll
45:35
probably put it in the show notes
45:36
actually the video of me
45:39
basically blasting lincoln Chafee to his
45:41
face about some of the stuff he’s been
45:43
doing wrong with his voting record and
45:45
why contrasting that with how how much
45:49
better if a candidate Burman was so it’s
45:50
very cathartic to me and the audience
45:52
seemed to like it as well so be sure to
45:54
check that out so we had a good weekend
45:56
now I know I don’t have much more time
45:59
with you um but I just want to ask you
46:03
what is your message to those who are
46:06
watching who say he’s wearing a boot
46:09
he’s talking about ponies I even get the
46:13
joke but my concern is that for example
46:16
how is it gonna help Howard down-ticket
46:19
candidates down ballot candidates going
46:22
to deal with that messaging if they’re
46:24
more serious and he’s more of a you know
46:26
quote-unquote joke candidate what is the
46:28
best way you know how are they going to
46:31
be able to adjust to that what is what
46:34
is your feeling about that well vermin
46:37
would argue that it’s in the framing of
46:39
course but I would actually say
46:41
it’s about differentiating between a
46:43
serious candidate and a legitimate
46:46
effort vermin is very much making a
46:49
legitimate effort here he’s campaigned
46:52
for the Libertarian Party of New
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Hampshire he’s recruited members he’s
46:56
grown our membership he’s campaigning to
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libertarians of course but he is along
47:02
the way speaking to the general public
47:04
he uses his satirical candidate
47:08
character rather to get his foot in the
47:10
door with them but from there it is you
47:14
know almost almost all serious once he
47:17
has his foot in the door he’s making a
47:19
legitimate he’s making a legitimate
47:22
offer to use his garnered celebrity to
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reach the all-important 5% of the vote I
47:30
believe that he can help many of our
47:32
down ticket candidates win I don’t
47:34
believe that it is realistic to expect
47:36
the libertarian presidency in in 2020 I
47:40
don’t believe that the establishment
47:42
will allow that to happen
47:43
but I do believe that his his character
47:47
can really help our down ticket
47:49
candidates and just to give you a few
47:51
examples myself I am an officeholder I
47:54
back vermin
47:55
Caleb Dyer former state Rep from New
47:58
Hampshire backs vermin another budget
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committee member Spencer diets that I
48:04
had mentioned before backs berman
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deborah altman out of out of us
48:10
absolutely a very very high-level office
48:14
holder backs Lerman and that that’s my
48:17
view on that very good and very good man
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i you know you don’t have to sell me
48:22
anymore i i definitely was one of the
48:23
people who did not get a even got a
48:25
shtick I just didn’t get how it was
48:27
going to appeal to you know actually an
48:30
actual elected you know elected role and
48:33
how that would work with down ballot and
48:35
all of that stuff so very interesting
48:37
stuff so we have some series now this is
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of course you know I don’t do gotcha
48:43
ants to gotcha questions but we are an
48:45
August and serious program here so we
48:49
have some serious questions for you
48:51
Clayton Hall wants to know what is
48:53
Manzo’s
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um Waffle House order well unfortunately
48:59
in New Hampshire there aren’t any waffle
49:01
houses around here but of course the few
49:04
times that I’ve had the pleasure I you
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know one of my favorite is the the pecan
49:09
waffle of course nice very good
49:11
pineapple pizza what is your stance on
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that Jimmy Brittney hang-up Brittingham
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ass what what’s uh pineapple pizza where
49:19
are you on that well I totally believe
49:22
in the legalization of it you don’t need
49:24
to consume it but you know if you want
49:25
to order a pineapple pizza I believe you
49:27
should be able to do that so you don’t
49:29
agree with the decisions of the
49:31
pineapple pizza community but you also
49:33
feel like it’s not your business and you
49:35
don’t want to use force against them for
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for engaging in such I mean let’s face
49:39
it degenerate behavior correct that’s
49:42
fair no that’s fair that’s a good
49:44
compromise and Desiree Lindsey says we
49:47
have five elected libertarians on our
49:49
team actually six now I believe which is
49:51
again a very large number of elected
49:54
libertarians that are completely on
49:56
board with this this early on in the
49:58
process so I think that speaks very very
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well Tim Donnie Smith says I’m on the KO
50:04
cash campaign but I like vermin um so ya
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know III think I think that we have have
50:11
told vermin told vermin story pretty
50:14
well on this before it Dave Richard
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before I let you go I have what’s called
50:19
final my fellow Americans where I give
50:22
you 30 seconds to answer a very
50:24
important question
50:25
and you’re a very important question is
50:28
this what percentage once we get the
50:33
nomination what percentage of the
50:36
popular vote do you think that we’re
50:39
gonna get in the presidential election
50:41
thirty seconds on the clock good luck
50:43
well of course you know confirming has
50:46
said five percent this is target I would
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argue that we could get you know upwards
50:53
of 10 12 13 you know 14 at the
50:56
presidential level if
50:58
if we really put our minds to it and
51:01
then our down ticket I believe you know
51:03
we’ll see a lot of wins at the local and
51:06
state level I’m sorry I got distracted
51:10
so what’s your final number on the on
51:12
the that you would say we would get
51:14
Paulo ten percent ten percent okay fair
51:20
enough I I will say I the odds of us
51:26
winning the presidency are infinitesimal
51:29
for a myriad of reasons if we or anyone
51:32
else not just in this election cycle but
51:34
ever are going to win at that kind of
51:39
level keeping in mind that in 50 years
51:41
the Libertarian Party has never won a
51:42
statewide or federal election ever if we
51:46
were to ever start breaking into that
51:48
territory we have to have the general
51:52
public know our message and we have to
51:55
bring in people who are already married
51:57
to the Republic wrap left-right
51:59
rope-a-dope and so that’s gonna mean
52:01
reaching out to people who right now
52:03
think the entire system is a joke it’s
52:06
gonna mean reaching out to young people
52:08
who haven’t already participated in
52:09
voting yet but already can tell the
52:11
thing’s a joke and that it’s gamed
52:12
against them and you’re not gonna do
52:14
that with someone who at first
52:16
appearance is exactly like every other
52:18
politician out there even if what they
52:20
have to say is radically different
52:21
they’re gonna look they’re gonna see
52:22
politician nope walk the other way
52:25
vermin presents a very interesting way
52:28
to to stop that
52:29
so Richard again thank you so much for
52:32
coming on before I let you go I just
52:35
want to give you a chance to get give
52:37
any kind of final thoughts anything that
52:38
you felt like we didn’t get to talk
52:39
about promote your campaign anything
52:42
else you want to say as much time as you
52:44
want
52:44
Richard Manzo the floor is yours well I
52:49
would first say that if you are
52:50
interested please consider going over to
52:54
lph org joining the Libertarian Party of
52:57
New Hampshire we do accept out-of-state
52:59
members it will help our ballot access
53:00
Drive again go over to Vernon supreme
53:04
calm will redirect you over to the
53:07
campaign website make yourself a little
53:10
bit of a donation there by some March
53:12
and you know again I really think that a
53:15
lot of the concerns around nominating
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him are very very much unbounded I do
53:22
believe that it is a high-risk
53:24
high-reward campaign I acknowledge that
53:26
very much but I do believe that he will
53:30
help a lot of our down ticket candidates
53:32
win and again you know I’ve seen some
53:35
people suggest that he might be there to
53:37
prank us I know from conversations with
53:39
him that that is not true ya know then I
53:42
think he’s not a dishonest person he is
53:45
very much one of the kindest and most
53:47
intelligent people that I’ve ever met
53:48
and last but not least I am running a
53:51
campaign for County Treasurer it is very
53:55
much a legitimate effort I have a good
53:56
shot of winning I have some name
53:58
recognition in the largest town in
54:00
Goffstown not a city there are about
54:03
20,000 people here I have some name
54:05
recognition here due to of course being
54:08
an elected official in a very much
54:11
directly related public trust dealing
54:14
with the town budget please consider
54:16
going over to politics dot raise the
54:19
money comm / R Manzo making a donation
54:23
and that you will of course make that
54:25
those efforts possible very good and we
54:29
have all those links in the show notes
54:30
so so no out-of-state people can join
54:34
the LP NH is that even if we’re members
54:36
of another state party as well yes oh
54:39
alright well then I’ll be doing that yes
54:42
that’ll help the New Hampshire party
54:44
would ballot access so let’s all join up
54:46
for that even if you’re not in New
54:47
Hampshire
54:47
LP and H dot org I will make sure that’s
54:50
in the show notes be sure to help
54:52
Richards campaign you can buy donating
54:55
or spreading the word about his his run
54:56
for County Treasurer and yeah I can tell
55:00
you right now anyone who thinks of
55:01
Herman is is joking or pranking us he
55:04
has invested way too much of himself in
55:07
this for this to be a joke like he has
55:09
put in more on this in terms of his time
55:12
and resources than pretty much anyone
55:14
else so that’s definitely this would be
55:16
one of the longest cons ever yeah it’s
55:19
not that is not what it is he’s he’s
55:22
actually a very honest man when he was
55:24
running
55:25
fake campaigns he was completely out in
55:28
the open about the fact that they were
55:29
completely fake campaigns and yet he
55:32
still came in fourth in New Hampshire so
55:34
you know now with the serious one let’s
55:36
see let’s see how we do Richard thank
55:38
you again for coming on I’d love to have
55:40
you come on again in the future
55:42
stick around with me during the outer
55:43
I’m gonna talk to you real quick during
55:45
that guys thanks again for tuning in to
55:47
my fellow Americans be sure to check us
55:49
out this weekend we’re gonna be dropping
55:51
all sorts of stuff because we’re gonna
55:52
be at the Libertarian Party of Georgia
55:54
Convention which is the whole weekend
55:56
Matt right and I are reunited and doing
56:00
doing stuff in person at LPGA know L
56:03
Libertarian Party GA it’s not the LPGA
56:06
but the so we’ll be doing that this
56:09
weekend and then tune in next Tuesday
56:10
for the muddy waters of freedom where
56:13
Matt Wright and I will be parsing
56:15
through the week’s events with the cheer
56:17
and goodwill of the sweet little winter
56:21
Wonder Boys that we are and then tune in
56:23
next week for a very special episode my
56:25
fellow Americans you’re not gonna
56:27
believe who my guest is because I don’t
56:29
know who it is
56:30
I haven’t booked it yet but it’s gonna
56:32
be great so have a great week see you
56:35
this weekend bourbon supreme 2020 where
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is it vermin supreme is that on this one
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we don’t have Bourbon Street – it’s a
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picture of a badger this is kind of like
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fur so go to vermin supreme 2020 calm
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guys god bless ya
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