(((My Fellow Americans))) #51: The Man In The Big Yellow Kippah with Dan Behrman

SPIKE IS BACK, and boy does he have a Jew-heavy episode for you! Dan Behrman is an international speaker, a software engineer and Presidential candidate running for the Libertarian Party nomination. He's coming on to tell us that taxation is, indeed, theft, how he's set himself free, and how you can do the same.


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SPIKE IS BACK, and boy does he have a Jew-heavy episode for you!

Dan Behrman is an international speaker, a software engineer and Presidential candidate running for the Libertarian Party nomination. He’s coming on to tell us that taxation is, indeed, theft, how he’s set himself free, and how you can do the same.

Behrman 2020

Taxation Is Theft Gear

2020 Libertarian Dad Bod Calendar

Libertarian Party Waffle House Caucus

Intro & Outro Music by JoDavi.


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also the Libertarian Party is just chalk
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this is the second thing the Libertarian
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Party is just chock-full of caucuses
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most of them or many of them I should
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say most many of them are just utterly
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pointless and useless I decided to put
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an end to all of the silliness by
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starting my own caucus the Libertarian
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Party Waffle House caucus our purpose is
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to share the message of Liberty
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other two things be sure to sign up to
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today the link is in the show notes or
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you can just search in Facebook for the
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I hope to see you there guys my guest
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tonight is an absolute legend he is an
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international speaker he is a software
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engineer who has worked with many
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Fortune 500 companies he’s a political
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strategist who has helped countless
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libertarian campaigns and activists and
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he is currently running for the
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Libertarian Party nomination for
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president of these United States ladies
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and gentlemen my fellow Americans please
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welcome to the show mr. dan taxation is
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theft uberman Dan thank you so much for
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joining us
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absolutely I’m welcome thank you I’m
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sorry I’m I’m jumping between my podcast
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and your podcast welcome to my podcast
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oh okay all right well welcome to the
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Dan welcome me to the Dan taxation I’m
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gonna welcome you to your own podcast
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okay my own podcast everyone I don’t
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know what’s happening anymore hey
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everyone welcome to wherever you are
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listening to the two of us on the
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Internet
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dan I’m really honored to have you on I
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got one for you okay two Jews walk into
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a podcast that’s it I have the rest of
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it yet no but it stretched it’s really
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just a statement of fact literally and
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we say literally literally did we
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literally walk into a podcast I actually
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walked in here so two Jews walk into –
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two podcasts
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I’m really
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have you won when you went on my cohost
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Matt writes show the writer’s block I
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was like man that was so good I better
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wait an acceptable amount of time to
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make it seem like I’m not totally
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jealous that you were on his show first
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and now here you are well you just
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spilled the beans yeah but I didn’t oh
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sorry it’s I’m not gonna make you that
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kind of a show I’m not gonna call you on
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your bullshit every other second no you
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probably should because so far this show
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has just been pure it’d and I really
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need like someone to come in and say no
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this has to stop and it took you and I
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appreciate that so thank you for coming
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on guys be sure to comment with your
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questions and thoughts I’m also talking
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to Dan’s podcast listeners too you guys
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be sure to comment with your questions
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or thoughts wherever you see us on the
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Internet be sure to comment with your
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questions and thoughts and dan and I
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will tell you if you are right or wrong
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now Dan this is both your first time on
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my show and my first time on your show
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on your show your first time on my show
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on your show this is your first time on
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my show on your show Dan um so about
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that okay so because of that the first
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thing I always asked my guest is to tell
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us a little story a ditty if you will a
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Dan diddy about who you are and how you
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came about to be a libertarian was it an
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aha moment or kind of a gradual
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evolution tell us you were Dan Diddy man
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well I’ve been I’ve been trying to tell
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this story before and then I it hit me
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the other day I’ve been telling it all
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wrong okay the story that I’ve been
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telling is is you know yeah where I grew
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up and where I moved and you know saw
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these you know learn about
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libertarianism learned about Ron Paul
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you know all this stuff which is great
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but then I realized I think a more true
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statement about why I’m doing this and
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how I got into this sorry I my dogs are
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lying I don’t uh has more to do with I
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saw my friends my family people who were
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who were close to
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people who weren’t close to me but who I
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could see we’re wronged by this system
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right whether it’s the police the laws
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the taxes the wars you know all this
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stuff I see it and I’m like I I just
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can’t sit and watch this it’s I got to
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do something about this right
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it’s absolutely immoral than any of this
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stuff is going on and nobody seemed
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while I say nobody not literally nobody
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figuratively nobody nobody seems to be
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doing anything about it and I know there
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are a lot of great people in the
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libertarian party who are trying to do
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something about it and you know I just I
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just I got to bring my own flavor to it
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and do as much as I can to to help you
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know help what everyone else is doing
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along and just you know be another
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soldier in the fight against all this
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injustice very cool very cool now that
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brings us to your presidential campaign
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now I was at the as you know I was at
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the South Carolina Libertarian Party
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convention and debate I was not only was
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I there for your speech I was literally
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the closest human being to you during
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your speech I was like right up at the
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front with my camera so I have that
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distinction going for me which is nice
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and if I were smart I’d have that video
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showing right now but I didn’t think to
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put that there until this very moment
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um so Dan on both of our shows at the
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same time I would like to say to you
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that during that speech it was
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interesting because I lutely loved it
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you you talked about traveling
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internationally without papers not
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paying taxes how we shouldn’t even be
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paying taxes and you kind of broke that
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down about you know how the IRS in a
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definition of who is a worker and so
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forth it felt like like a really great
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motivational speed speech about how you
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set yourself free and how we could all
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do the same that kind of like how you
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how you try to present it yeah I mean
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it’s you know every time I go somewhere
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else I I speak a little bit differently
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on different subjects um and you know so
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it’s but I will say that you know I have
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had that in my history I have been kind
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of a seminar junkie
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you know I came from being pretty
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unmotivated and or I don’t want to say
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yeah I came from like an interesting
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past of you know trying to figure out
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okay how do i how do I start a business
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I always wanted to be an entrepreneur
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but how do I actually make this happen
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how do I get motivated enough how do I
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learn all these skills that I need in
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order to become a successful
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entrepreneur sorry where I was a seminar
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junkie for a while
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learned lots and lots of great things
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and I I really feel that you know in the
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reason that a lot of those programs work
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are actually very interesting because of
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you know there you have a lot of
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information you have to get it to people
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but you also want to get people to like
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you don’t want them to just get the
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information so they can recite it later
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you like people need to become active
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and they need to be you know especially
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we talked about the Libertarian Party
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and people who are in this movement and
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people who we want to support this
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campaign you’ve got to get active you
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need to you need to become inspired you
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need to be motivated and you you need to
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want to make change in the world right
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and so I think that’s kind of you know
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maybe we’re a little bit of that comes
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from cool yeah no it was it was amazing
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and I I I have to I want to ask there
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are some who run for president under the
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Libertarian Party and maybe under other
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parties as well but I noticed a lot with
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the DLP there seem to be kind of two
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groups of people there are those that
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are running because they’re actually
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like trying to be elected president and
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then others who sort of use it as a
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vehicle to spread their message about
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freedom and liberty like they’re sort of
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using that earned media attention they
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can get from it to to spread that
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message would you say that you’re doing
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one or the other is that you you you
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know really want to be inaugurated as
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president in January of 2021
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or is this primarily about spreading the
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message to people that they should be
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free or is it kind of a combination of
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both I think it’s really a combination
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of both I mean if you were to ask do I
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want to be President the the answer is
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kind of no but am I willing to be
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President to fix a lot of the injustice
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in this country and in the world then
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the answer is absolutely yes and what
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what people like people seem to like
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they want to differentiate that right
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like is it like are you in this to teach
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liberty and
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spread it or are you in this to to get
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elected right and that’s the same thing
15:38
no libertarian is going to get elected
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until people understand what a
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libertarian is and want that right get
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to that until you educate people and you
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get them on board and this is like this
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is a really important part of this
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because I know a lot of people think
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that educating people on the
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libertarianism means going out and
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teaching them economics and teaching
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them all this other stuff that’s really
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not it right um really the idea is and
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this is what we’re doing with the
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campaign we’ve been really successful I
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mean we’ve got Trump supporters and
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Bernie Sanders supporters and all kinds
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of X Democrats and an ex-military and X
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police and everything else supporting
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this campaign it’s not by saying you
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know here’s here’s why we need to end
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the Fed it’s really by saying look what
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do you see as a problem in the world and
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once you understand what they see as a
16:24
problem in the world you can you connect
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the dots and say this is how
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libertarianism is going to fix that
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problem and then it’s not watering it
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down it’s not pandering it’s none of
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that
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it’s finding out how to communicate the
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message to them and once you have that
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you you have a really strong connection
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and you can teach them libertarianism
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and a couple of months later you might
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be teaching them why they should end the
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Fed but you need to make sure you get
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your foot in the door at the right place
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and every person has a different need
16:53
I’m in their life and that’s where you
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need to start right most people aren’t
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like they’re busy worrying about making
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ends meet and things like that and
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they’re not necessarily as cerebral as
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we are we’re us walking up them to them
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and going well yeah I understand that
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you know you’re worried about you know
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how your kids are gonna get into college
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and you know get ahead in life and how
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you’re gonna pay down your credit card
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debt but have you ever thought of
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reading rothbard
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cuz you should totally read rothbard
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like they’re not they’re not gonna get
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that they’re gonna get you giving that
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empowering message of saying here’s why
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the state and coercive entities and
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central planning are harming you and
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here’s how it’s specifically to the
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problems that you’re stating you have
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and here’s how libertarianism could fix
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that
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hey so exactly yeah no I totally agree
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with that and my there we go that’s my
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screen to that end you do talk about
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ending the Fed you talk about canceling
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government debts and ending the drug war
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and
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all the Wars transforming the federal
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government into this is what I wanted to
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ask you about you talk about
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transforming the federal government into
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as you put it quote unquote one that
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interacts with its citizens on a purely
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voluntary basis so that we can be free
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from the coercive nature of abusive
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taxation and regulations now a lot of
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people don’t really know how government
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could run without taxation tell us how
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that could work
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sure so first well I I kind of want to
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say you know to the the reason that
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that’s there is because you have a lot
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of people in the libertarian party who
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are like just get rid of the whole thing
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and you have you know anarchists they
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don’t want to vote at all but and they
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want to get rid of government completely
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and there’s there’s a point to recognize
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here that if government weren’t
18:32
trampling our rights and it weren’t
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robbing us and and all these other
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things would it really be so bad if it
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actually existed if it were limited to
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building libraries with a voluntary
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source of funds would it be so bad and I
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think the answer is no okay and it would
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maybe you wouldn’t call it government
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maybe you would just call it a nonprofit
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library organization and that’s fine but
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tomato tomahto right right right right
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you know whatever you want to call it
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but so so yeah the idea is that it needs
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to be voluntary right and it allows a
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lot of people to ask okay so how do you
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fund a government voluntarily well the
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first thing you do is you get rid of all
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of the waste which is like probably
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ninety to ninety nine percent of the
19:17
budget right you get rid of all the
19:19
waste and then you’re left with a much
19:21
smaller amount that you have to come up
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with and so coming up with this smaller
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amount well there are all kinds of ways
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that the government has raised money in
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the past you’ve got bonds that they
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issue for public projects which are
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basically you know let’s say let’s say
19:38
the country needs a railroad right so
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the government sells bonds to build the
19:43
railroad they build the railroad they
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they lease the railroad out to
19:47
businesses who are gonna use it or to to
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customers who are gonna use it to travel
19:51
and you know this is this is probably
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like 1800s how this could work right
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right because because now it’s like it’s
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like the uber of car
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kind of thing but so this is a
20:02
government project and so the money
20:04
that’s charged from those railroads goes
20:06
all t’me back to the government to pay
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off those bonds now could any other
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private organization do that absolutely
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right do other private organizations do
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that absolutely so it’s it comes down
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but that’s like the competition of it
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right that’s you know if Elon Musk wants
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to create his high speed vacuum tunnel
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whatever it’s called to let him and let
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him raise the money for that through
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private investors and whatever else and
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he’s gonna charge money for it and if
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government wants to do the same thing
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well let them but the the important
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distinction is when you look at when you
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look at a private person like you know
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Elon trying to do this he’s looking at
20:42
numbers how much money we’re gonna make
20:44
from this are we gonna make enough money
20:45
back to quote-unquote pay off the bonds
20:48
right to pay off the investors when the
20:51
government does it they basically say
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well how much money can we steal from
20:55
people and is it enough to pay for this
20:57
project three times over that we can
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make sure our friends in the special
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interest groups that are benefiting from
21:03
like steel companies and manufacturing
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companies and everything else can get
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can can butter their biscuit right so
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it’s um yeah they’re completely separate
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beasts but we have to realize that it is
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absolutely possible for government to do
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things but we also need to make sure
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that we’re not going to give them a
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monopoly power because then that
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prevents private competition which nine
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times out of ten does things much more
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efficiently well exactly and that’s the
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thing you even talk about on your
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website you talked about I like how you
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said I’m gonna give you free health care
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and free education you have a little V
21:38
there to denote it you’re saying the
21:40
verb of free I’m going to free health
21:42
care and free education but but on those
21:45
pages you talk about on your site you
21:48
talk about how a not free market is is
21:52
harming us and you talk about a couple
21:54
things you brought up where you know a
21:55
hepatitis B pill that costs four dollars
21:57
in India is like four thousand dollars
22:00
here now probably made here I would
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assume or made if not here then in
22:04
Canada or Europe or something like that
22:06
but then it’s it’s you know sold there
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at market price banned from importation
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back here so that we can’t get it for
22:14
dollars and ship it back you know a
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little tiny pill and then you know like
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a bag of saline which is literally just
22:20
salt water is like up to a thousand
22:24
dollars when it’s billed to your
22:25
insurance company and it’s you know
22:26
maybe for the bag in the water combined
22:29
it’s worth a dollar let’s even say it’s
22:32
worth five dollars but you know they’re
22:34
charging it you know literally two
22:35
hundred times as much that’s the the
22:37
wages of a egg as you said an
22:40
organization that’s primarily concerned
22:42
about getting reelected and getting
22:43
their special interest paid off as
22:45
opposed to making a profit and competing
22:47
with others now I guess my question to
22:49
you is maybe this is a semantics thing
22:52
if we’re talking about a government that
22:54
is funded entirely voluntarily and
22:56
allows private competitors to compete
23:00
with it on equal terms where they’re not
23:02
you know using regulations or licensing
23:04
or whatever to harm their competitors is
23:08
howhow is that substantive ly different
23:11
than a stateless society in or is it you
23:13
know government name only or do you see
23:15
a distinction there yeah I mean I think
23:18
it’s a it’s really hard to say because
23:21
everyone’s got their definition of what
23:22
government is I mean let’s say you had
23:25
government and it was still just as bad
23:27
bad as it is now but the police were a
23:30
different organization the regulations
23:33
were a completely different and so you
23:35
had like ten governments would you call
23:37
them collectively a government or not or
23:39
would you call them ten different
23:40
governments would you call them
23:42
nonprofit organizations would you call
23:44
them criminal organizations right um
23:46
it’s it’s really just a name so I I
23:49
think yeah going back to the idea that
23:52
if if you have all these organizations
23:55
that are doing things and you will have
23:57
I mean look even even with all of the
24:00
regulations in place you’ve got
24:03
charities you’ve got one who are willing
24:05
to do good for free and you also have
24:08
scams you have scam charities that are
24:11
willing to do something for free and the
24:12
government hasn’t prevented them from
24:14
existing but it’s up to us to spread the
24:17
word and to our friends and say don’t
24:20
donate to this place because they’re a
24:21
scam donate to the other place it’s up
24:24
to us to kind of review it and do that
24:26
sort of thing
24:27
and
24:28
you know we have ways of doing that like
24:29
you know through online reviews and
24:31
ratings and word-of-mouth and then
24:33
especially now we have the technology to
24:34
spread that information so much faster
24:38
but yeah I think it’s it it it’s really
24:41
just like how you think about it and
24:43
what I think is really interesting is if
24:46
you if you at least have competition if
24:48
there were two governments and let’s say
24:52
they all provided the same services so
24:54
you had two organizations in every city
24:57
that we’re providing police and fire and
24:59
everything else and two organizations
25:01
nationally that had some sort of I don’t
25:03
know defense army or court system and
25:07
none of them charge taxes and then one
25:11
of them came along and said hey we’re
25:12
gonna charge taxes to everybody you have
25:15
to pay it whether you agree with it or
25:16
not you all right hey us right what
25:19
would people do they’d probably go to
25:20
the other government and say hey that
25:22
guy’s trying to rob us what are you
25:23
gonna do about it
25:25
exactly okay so I think there’s I think
25:28
it’s like really a matter of perspective
25:30
about you know people really have to
25:33
understand what the purpose of
25:34
government is and and to see how its
25:37
overstepped so much and then now
25:39
everything that it does good intentions
25:42
are not it’s causing much more harm than
25:45
if it would just piss off and go away
25:46
right and it’s like you said it’s less
25:49
about the definition of whether it’s
25:50
government or not and it’s more about is
25:52
there coercion is there left or are you
25:56
being you know are you allowed to
25:57
voluntarily interact or not interact
25:59
with whom you wish whomever you wish and
26:01
allow and have you know multiple people
26:03
being able to compete is it a market set
26:05
free or is it you know another name for
26:07
government you know now it’s just you
26:09
know mafias or something like that doing
26:10
it so that that’s a good point we have
26:13
some comments here
26:15
let’s see Karen Thompson says that’s an
26:19
amazing point why are so many career
26:22
politicians super wealthy just from
26:24
their political connections I don’t know
26:26
any actual volunteers who have three or
26:28
four houses funded from their efforts
26:31
exactly rod Weber says start talking
26:35
about explosions or I’m out explode
26:38
those pills explode them
26:40
I want mandatory
26:41
oceans thoughts on that yeah yeah we
26:44
actually have a really awesome
26:45
commercial coming up for the campaign in
26:47
the next week or two that’s got lots of
26:49
explosions in it oh well good
26:51
well Brod be sure to check that out
26:54
karen says rod weber we need to go fund
26:57
me your bail expenses I think he might
26:58
explode the go fund me so I don’t know
27:01
how much that’ll help but yeah anyone
27:03
who wants to see explosions the the
27:05
campaign I’m actually looking forward to
27:06
that now because I’m looking forward to
27:08
seeing what you’re talking about there
27:09
he’s gonna be awesome yeah no I I can
27:12
imagine so I wanted to ask this we
27:13
talked about this briefly
27:14
I think when we’re going back from the
27:17
debate to the back to the after party or
27:19
whatever um some of the stuff you talked
27:21
about specifically about taxation and
27:26
the IRS would you mind delving into that
27:30
a bit because I I had heard that before
27:33
but I I had only heard about it from
27:35
sovereign citizens who then talked about
27:37
how my social security number was like a
27:41
debt and that and then they were gonna
27:44
die for the low low price of whatever
27:46
they were gonna sell me a kit on how to
27:47
be able to clean people’s homes and
27:49
stuff like that and I just they sort of
27:50
lost me great um so so without all of
27:53
that explain the the part about what you
27:56
were saying with taxation and whether
27:58
the average American is even legally
28:01
subject to the IRS in the first place so
28:03
I’ll try to break this down as simple as
28:06
I can it’s really difficult because as
28:07
much as I’ve been trying to understand
28:10
it for the past like 10 or 15 years it’s
28:13
taken me that long to really understand
28:14
it okay
28:15
there’s there let me start with this
28:18
there’s a couple really great books out
28:19
there one is called shattering the myths
28:21
by Dave champion and another one is
28:23
called the what is it cracking the code
28:31
by I can’t remember the name look for
28:35
cracking the code that one’s actually
28:37
out of print but you can find them on
28:38
Amazon for they’re not super cheap but
28:42
they’re both really great books they’re
28:44
there I would say most you know combined
28:48
90% accuracy some people have pointed
28:50
out some similar issues here and there
28:52
but here’s the here’s the main idea
28:57
before the 1900s there was an income tax
29:02
that was instituted twice the Supreme
29:05
Court ruled that an income tax was
29:07
unconstitutional okay
29:09
so then a lot of people will say yeah
29:12
but then they came up with a sixteenth
29:13
amendment which says they can tax income
29:14
well it says a lot of things in there it
29:16
says they can tax income without
29:18
apportionment and that was one of the
29:20
reasons that the income tax before was
29:22
ruled unconstitutional was because it
29:23
was a direct tax and it was not a
29:25
portion and it says direct taxes have to
29:27
be apportioned now I for some reason
29:30
when I read the Constitution and it says
29:32
the government is allowed to tax the
29:35
states to me that says that they’re
29:38
gonna tax the states and it says that
29:40
has to be a portion based on their
29:41
population that means a state that has a
29:43
bigger population is gonna pay a bigger
29:44
tax but that doesn’t say that they can
29:47
tax the people directly because then
29:48
it’s not a portion then it’s the same
29:50
amount per person
29:51
right right right it’s like a head tax
29:53
yeah so anyways so the sixteenth
29:59
amendment if you read it and what do
30:01
what the courts have said in in you know
30:03
and people trying to say it’s
30:04
unconstitutional is that the sixteenth
30:08
amendment gave Congress no new taxing
30:09
power and the reason is because the
30:12
income tax as it exists is an excise tax
30:16
and excise taxes don’t need to be
30:19
apportioned they just need to be taxed
30:22
on privileged exercises like exercise of
30:25
a privilege right now here’s the thing
30:27
Supreme Court’s have always said your
30:29
property is your property your money is
30:31
your property you have an inalienable
30:33
right to contract your property for
30:36
other people’s property your labor for
30:37
other people’s property your property is
30:39
Labor sorry your labor is property right
30:42
all of these things the Supreme Court
30:44
agrees with so how is it that if I work
30:46
for you and you give me money that they
30:48
can tax it and because that’s not a
30:52
privilege right that’s not a privileged
30:54
thing that we’re exercising and the
30:56
Supreme Court also says that a right
30:58
cannot be converted into a privilege
31:00
just to be taxed which means this is a
31:03
right that we have you can’t change that
31:05
and say it’s a privilege now and so what
31:07
they did is they said okay well we’re
31:08
gonna
31:09
privileged exchanges of money and to
31:13
understand what that means well if
31:14
you’re doing business with the
31:16
government that’s privileged right
31:18
because like I can do business with you
31:21
and it’s your right and my right to
31:22
decide whether or not we want to do this
31:23
but if you want to do business with the
31:25
government that’s the government’s right
31:28
to decide and the government can say
31:29
well we don’t want to do business with
31:31
you or we’ll do business with you only
31:33
if you pay a tax right right so so that
31:36
you know it’s kind of like if I do
31:37
business with you you can say well you
31:40
can only do business with me if you pay
31:42
a tax to my employer or something which
31:45
is really kind of how things work right
31:47
your profit goes there and everything
31:48
else right right so so basically that’s
31:51
what the that’s how the income tax is
31:53
built and that’s how it reads and you
31:54
start reading through these codes and
31:55
you understand when they say employee
31:57
and this is where it gets really screwed
31:58
up because you don’t have the
31:59
definitions to go by when you’re filling
32:00
out your your 1040 form right right
32:03
right says are you a US citizen well
32:05
apparently most people aren’t because
32:07
the citizen is a privileged position
32:08
this is where it gets really interesting
32:10
because there’s a difference between
32:11
citizen and a national and they have
32:14
very similar definitions but in the
32:16
context of filing your tax form you are
32:19
not a citizen you are a national and
32:20
that doesn’t mean you can’t have a u.s.
32:21
passport actually as a matter of fact I
32:24
don’t have my passport right here in
32:25
your passport it doesn’t say you’re a
32:27
citizen of the United States it says
32:29
you’re a national of the United States
32:32
okay
32:33
which is like that’s interesting right
32:35
right we have this idea about
32:37
citizenship and it’s like bigger why
32:40
where did we learn that from really
32:42
public school and so all of these
32:46
definitions are like so like like
32:48
defined by other words which are defined
32:50
by other words and so you have an
32:52
employee an employee is somebody who
32:54
works for an employer will obviously an
32:57
employer is defined as the government
33:00
state government local government
33:01
national government federal government
33:03
whatever those sorts of things so if
33:07
you’re like you hear employee and you’re
33:09
like oh yeah that’s me I’m an employee
33:11
wait for an employee right but if you
33:15
understand the definitions it’s like oh
33:17
that’s that’s not right and so we were
33:21
tricked into the system but
33:22
any job you go for they make you fill
33:25
out a w-4 form right mm-hmm
33:27
and I’ve tried this before I said you
33:30
know hey I’m I’m not a US person which
33:33
it asks if you’re a US person why
33:35
doesn’t it say are you US citizen why
33:37
does it say US person why I said what’s
33:39
the difference here right and it asks
33:43
all these really confusing questions
33:44
with confusing language where if you
33:46
don’t think about it you’re just like
33:48
yeah okay yeah I’m a person and think
33:49
about it right what why why are they
33:52
using these funny words and if you try
33:55
to not fill that out well your
33:57
employer’s more scared of the IRS than
33:59
they are of you who technically doesn’t
34:01
work for them yet right oh they’re gonna
34:03
go by the IRS lead now how do we get to
34:05
this system apparently when when the
34:08
income tax was passed 1913 they
34:10
basically said okay yeah we’re gonna tax
34:11
the and you can you can go back and look
34:13
how many people were paying the income
34:14
tax in 1913 1914 1920 not a whole lot
34:18
right world war two came along and the
34:21
government was like oh we need we need
34:22
we need a was a guns and butter right
34:25
right we might we need everything right
34:27
so the government started investing in
34:30
the the you know the production of tanks
34:32
and bombs and guns and and cars and
34:35
everything like everything else right we
34:36
need to boom our economy we need all
34:37
this stuff
34:38
and so that was federal money so now all
34:40
the companies that were receiving that
34:42
federal money now had to give those
34:44
forms to their employees and everybody
34:46
was up with this because they were like
34:47
oh yeah we’re going to war we’re
34:49
attacked were being attacked by other
34:51
countries we have to kill the Nazis yeah
34:53
right right yeah yeah yeah so um so so
34:57
we got into this habit of filling out
34:59
this form and then a few years later
35:00
when the war is over we’re still in that
35:02
habit and the government’s like yeah
35:03
just keep filling it out and so we did
35:05
and 60 years later pretty much everybody
35:08
who’s paying taxes now has been born
35:10
into that system and we’re just like
35:12
well that’s the way it always has been
35:14
what do you mean this is a lie what do
35:16
you mean this is a scam it doesn’t make
35:17
any sense my parents have always paid
35:19
taxes and so like we’ve been we’ve been
35:23
bamboozled into the system and so you
35:27
know a lot of people are like oh so well
35:28
so I don’t want to pay and that’s the
35:29
first place everybody jumps to and I
35:31
don’t want to tell everybody you know to
35:32
do that because it is a really
35:33
complicated system and if you do
35:35
something a little bit wrong
35:36
the IRS is prepared to just rain terror
35:40
down on destroy your life right right
35:42
yeah and just to be clear just let me
35:44
stop you just be clear on both my show
35:46
and dance show because this is both of
35:48
our show at the same time we here at
35:52
muddy waters media and at dan taxation
35:54
is theft enterprises or whatever it’s
35:57
called our would net are not advocating
36:00
for you or at least I’m not advocating
36:01
for you to ever break the law because
36:03
breaking the law is illegal and illegal
36:06
things are against the law we don’t we
36:08
don’t advocate for that but so so right
36:10
yeah so so but so there are people who
36:13
are like of like successfully fighting
36:17
this and saying I don’t pay taxes and
36:19
they’re winning in court
36:20
yep well that’s that’s the trick right
36:24
so a lot of people say well I haven’t
36:26
found a single court case where
36:27
somebody’s somebody’s one and it’s very
36:31
rare but I’ll tell you this Joe banister
36:34
who’s in is an ex-employee of the IRS
36:38
he’s he was a special investigator he
36:42
was very high up there he heard about
36:44
this in the in the 90s I believe and he
36:46
approached his employer and his employer
36:48
said keep your mouth shut or quit so he
36:50
quit and he went on to spread this
36:53
information he’s been sued I don’t know
36:55
a dozen times by the IRS and he’s beaten
36:57
most of them so so yes there are people
37:00
successfully doing this the thing with
37:02
the court cases is I’ll use the let me
37:07
let me do this I’ll use the traffic
37:09
courts right okay you will not find a
37:13
single case of a person going into a
37:15
traffic court and winning because they
37:20
said they don’t want to pay the ticket
37:22
and they’re just not gonna pay it right
37:24
you’ll never you’ll never find that it’s
37:26
not in a court but I can tell you
37:28
personally I haven’t had a driver’s
37:30
license in 12 or so years and I have not
37:35
I’ve received traffic tickets and
37:37
parking tickets and I have not paid a
37:39
single one of them but there’s no court
37:41
record of any of it
37:42
why because it never made it to court
37:44
and so the thing with the IRS is if you
37:47
never make the court there’s no court
37:48
record saying you won and they
37:50
don’t take cases to court that you know
37:52
because here’s the thing let’s say just
37:55
let’s say you don’t believe me right but
37:57
just go with me here right let’s say
37:58
there is some big conspiracy right
38:02
hypothetically this is just a big
38:03
conspiracy mm-hmm if the IRS wanted to
38:07
make sure that people didn’t find out
38:09
about this lie wouldn’t they just say oh
38:11
that guy knows about the lie let’s not
38:13
take him to court because he could
38:14
expose it on record in courts let’s skip
38:18
that guy and let’s go to the guy who’s
38:20
just pissed off and just doesn’t want to
38:22
pay less he makes okay so let’s make
38:24
examples out of the people that aren’t
38:26
doing it right and are just going I’m
38:27
not paying that and then they get
38:29
screwed up in court as opposed to people
38:30
that successfully argue or it would be
38:33
able to successfully argue in court that
38:36
they’re not a US citizen or US person or
38:38
whatever in that day there’s no need for
38:40
them to have to pay any of this right
38:42
and that’s actually one of the flaws
38:43
right they’re just saying you’re not a
38:44
US person or like that doesn’t even work
38:47
they consider that a frivolous argument
38:48
and one of the reasons is because they
38:50
have the paperwork that you already
38:52
signed that basically says you are so
38:54
it’s it is really tricky and it’s you
38:57
know it’s not like you can like I mean
38:58
they have all these frivolous arguments
39:00
that don’t work you know saying my
39:02
income is not taxable or you know all
39:04
these things and so so it is a tricky
39:08
system but what I do want to say is
39:10
knowing people that have done this and
39:12
on the path to excite and here’s another
39:14
thing I do want to tell people my
39:17
success story with it but I’m not at the
39:20
end of it yet okay I’m so so hopefully
39:22
sometime next year I’ll have a great
39:24
story for you but the idea is you know
39:31
when NASA first shot people into space
39:33
right how many people died on exploding
39:35
Rockets because they you know they
39:37
thought they had all these engineers
39:39
these brilliant people who were gonna
39:41
shoot a rocket up into space and they
39:42
were gonna get these people up there and
39:44
people died right what happened and now
39:47
there’s a space station with people on
39:49
it unless you believe in you know the
39:51
conspiracy that none of that exists
39:53
there’s people in space and but it’s
39:56
like the laws of physics didn’t change
39:57
they didn’t repeal the the rocket
40:01
exploding Act of nineteen
40:04
73 right so but what changed
40:08
they got smarter on their approach they
40:10
learned to understand the laws of
40:12
physics better and the the machines that
40:13
they were creating and so in the same
40:16
way the tax protester movement has come
40:18
across that that same journey like there
40:21
are there are many people who have gone
40:23
to jail trying to fight this and
40:24
figuring out all the right ways to fight
40:27
it right and you know some of them Irwin
40:29
Schiff was a big one and you know a lot
40:31
of a lot of information that he had was
40:33
wrong but at the time he was the pioneer
40:35
he was on the front line learning
40:38
everything because you know you have to
40:39
go back 1913 they didn’t have the
40:42
internet they didn’t have computers
40:43
where you could like search through a
40:45
hundred thousand pages of tax code and
40:47
find out well what is the definition of
40:48
this main right exam yeah so it’s it’s
40:53
you know technology has helped us along
40:56
this journey and it’s it’s we’re smarter
40:59
now right now let’s be clear the rocket
41:02
exploding Act of 1973 was terrible
41:04
legislation and I think we can all thank
41:06
God that that’s gone um yeah but so that
41:10
you threw out a lot of names there and a
41:12
lot of different books and things let’s
41:15
just go over those again if people
41:16
wanted to hear more about this about not
41:19
just the taxation is theft but that it’s
41:21
actually illegal and that they could
41:22
potentially fight it if they choose
41:25
we’re not advocating one way or the
41:26
other we’re just saying they could
41:27
choose what would be some names and
41:30
books and so forth that they should
41:32
google to find out more about that okay
41:35
so there’s there’s two books well let me
41:39
give you three books okay I’ll start
41:41
with the most recent and probably the
41:43
most accurate and that would be
41:47
shattering the myths by dave champion
41:54
okay the second will be cracking the
41:57
code by Peter Hendrickson okay and the
42:00
third and this one’s definitely outdated
42:02
but it’s really a classical like if you
42:05
can get your hands on it
42:06
get it cuz it’s probably gonna be worth
42:08
a million dollars one day okay
42:10
Irwin shifts the federal mafia very good
42:15
so those would be the three that you
42:16
would that you would start on
42:18
yeah very cool so we have a couple uh
42:21
question or comic Uppal follower
42:23
comments one asked a question that I was
42:26
already gonna ask you so I’ll ask that
42:28
later but bass over on YouTube asked can
42:32
a libertarian government protect its
42:34
people and sovereignty from Florent
42:36
foreign influence with the military have
42:39
to set up a GoFundMe I’m not sure if he
42:41
means foreign influences in like an
42:43
invasion but let’s assume that so you
42:45
know how would for example I guess
42:48
National Defense for lack of a better
42:49
word be set up in a in a voluntary
42:51
payment system right so this is
42:56
something that we have to rethink and
42:58
like yes I mean I’m trying to think of
43:03
an example you know going to going back
43:06
and forth between the u.s. in Mexico
43:07
I see things done completely different I
43:09
see things done in ways that I never
43:11
would have imagined in the United States
43:14
and and that’s just because we’re in the
43:17
United States we feast we see things
43:19
done a certain way that’s the only way
43:21
we know but when we take our heads out
43:23
of that that bubble that we’re in right
43:26
we can see things being done in a
43:29
completely different ways so now the
43:31
question is how do we get a military do
43:34
we do gofundme well that still depends
43:37
on the belief that we’re still gonna
43:39
have some central government some
43:41
central authority that all the soldiers
43:43
are going to work directly underneath
43:45
you’re gonna have your your generals
43:47
your four-star generals three-star
43:49
generals all the way down to you know
43:52
your your officers that always works
43:56
directly underneath you’re gonna have
43:58
your your jet sorry oh go ahead i I
44:01
thought I heard myself talking about you
44:03
did you did and the shrooms kicked in
44:06
yeah the ketamine yeah go ahead sorry so
44:11
so that’s under that same belief right
44:14
and it really doesn’t have to be that
44:16
way and then and then the question is
44:17
okay well how do you get the money to
44:19
the top so it can trickle down to all of
44:21
the employees that’s not really how it
44:23
work and if you look at how I mean how
44:27
did it work before and read the
44:29
Constitution it talks about a volunteer
44:31
militia it says well-regulated which a
44:33
lot of people think means the government
44:34
means to control every aspect of it but
44:36
that’s that’s not even what regulated
44:38
means or run it back then right but you
44:41
have this idea of a volunteer militia
44:44
and what’s really important about that
44:47
and understanding what that is and I
44:50
mean look at look at Switzerland right
44:52
that’s kind of an example where it has
44:54
work and there are many other countries
44:55
where that has worked the idea of this
44:58
is if you are as an individual part of a
45:02
militia that is completely volunteer
45:04
you’re not they’re following orders
45:06
so if somebody wants to invade the
45:07
United States you get together and say
45:10
hey we’re gonna make sure that doesn’t
45:11
happen
45:12
that’s why Japan never invaded during
45:14
you know they never attacked mainland
45:16
United States because they said there
45:17
would be a gun behind every blade of
45:19
every blade of grass right right and you
45:23
know so that’s a legitimate fear for
45:26
anybody trying to invade but of course
45:27
if we take our guns away then we don’t
45:28
have that that is that is a legitimate
45:31
defense system and it doesn’t require
45:32
doing a gofundme or anything it just
45:34
requires that everybody be armed to
45:37
protect themselves whether it’s from
45:39
their neighbor or from an invasion and
45:41
when that happens you and and what’s
45:45
really great about this is this prevents
45:47
the situations where you have like what
45:49
we have now where you’ve got this
45:50
military that’s just like well who are
45:53
we gonna bomb today we got all these
45:54
planes and everything sitting around we
45:56
just let him sit there and rest we gotta
45:57
go drop some bombs yeah yeah that
46:00
doesn’t happen with a volunteer militia
46:01
right so I think there’s a there’s a lot
46:04
of benefits and now how would every
46:05
single little aspect of everything work
46:07
out I don’t know I can’t tell you but
46:10
that’s that’s the concept of of freedom
46:13
which is you know we’re not trying to
46:16
predict the future and say this is the
46:17
way it must be
46:18
let’s make it happen because that always
46:20
fails what it does is it says it says
46:23
look we understand that there are
46:24
credible threats around the world let’s
46:27
figure out how to deal with them
46:29
and the best ideas will rise to the top
46:31
and the people who are willing to defend
46:33
this country will stand up and defend
46:36
this country right and I mean so to me
46:38
and I agree with what you just said to
46:40
me the the question of you know without
46:43
you know taxation or without
46:45
vermin who would defend us from foreign
46:47
invasion is in in some ways it’s sort of
46:50
like asking who’s going to protect
46:51
Amazon from Macy’s like if a if a or
46:56
who’s gonna protect you know uber from
46:58
you know a guy on a rickshaw or
47:01
something like that like if the people
47:03
in the what used to be the most powerful
47:07
government on earth the people that live
47:10
where that used to be have demonstrated
47:12
that you know they’re not going to
47:14
tolerate even domestic governance what
47:17
foreign body would want to try to invade
47:20
them and stop that and an even bigger
47:22
question is if we’ve demonstrated that
47:24
in what used to be the largest and most
47:26
powerful government on earth that we
47:28
don’t need it and that freedom and and
47:31
and and and whether it’s Anarchy or a
47:34
voluntary based government or whatever
47:36
that freedom and liberty actually works
47:38
what is going to protect all of those
47:40
old statist governments from their own
47:42
citizens demanding the same thing and
47:44
hiring you know liberation firms from
47:47
the you know what the former us to you
47:50
know liberate them from their status
47:52
depressor so III think I think if you’re
47:54
when you’re talking about that big of a
47:55
paradigm shift the questions completely
47:57
change and I think you started started
47:59
off by saying we need to be thinking
48:01
about this completely differently
48:02
because the idea of all who’s I was
48:04
gonna stop China from invading us would
48:06
be more like who’s gonna stop the
48:08
Chinese government from being trampled
48:09
by the 1.4 billion people that they’re
48:12
enslaving when they can see that it they
48:14
don’t actually need government or don’t
48:16
need an oppressive taxing government to
48:19
have a society Dan who’s more Jewish
48:22
between weren’t you or me would you say
48:25
it’s probably gonna be you I’m I’m
48:28
really bad at it are you a bad Jew yeah
48:30
that’s not like a kippah to you it’s no
48:35
I mean I’m I’m definitely not eating
48:38
kosher no but you do have a giant what
48:41
we could call a kippa on your head oh
48:43
yeah well you know what okay that’s um
48:47
sorry you you threw me off there cuz I I
48:49
pronounce it keepa oh sorry or keep ah
48:52
but because you’re because you might be
48:55
more Jewish than me oh really okay
48:59
well so yeah I was thinking this the
49:01
other day you know cause uh you know
49:04
there’s this issue with the hat that a
49:06
lot of libertarians don’t like it and
49:07
I’m like hey you know this really could
49:09
be considered religious head wear what’s
49:13
interesting is I so I used to work for
49:15
the Kabbalah Center Wow as a video
49:17
editor and so I got to like sit through
49:20
a lot of the classes and and edit them
49:23
and it was actually really interesting
49:24
because they gave me the story of the
49:26
key pot which is and now there’s they’re
49:31
not necessarily Jewish and their
49:32
interpretation is is slightly different
49:35
in some aspects I think sorry but their
49:37
interpretation right that you know we
49:40
are we are beings of energy and we
49:42
receive light from the Sun right or from
49:46
the Creator however you want to
49:48
interpret that and that comes down and
49:50
that was supposed to be a basically a
49:53
receptor of this light so that we could
49:56
become you know lit beings and that that
50:01
this idea is like now we’re gonna share
50:03
the light with other people were gonna
50:04
be good people we’re gonna we’re gonna
50:06
be good to others we’re gonna solve the
50:07
world’s problems
50:08
I probably added that last part but you
50:12
know in that way like solve the world’s
50:13
problems but like in our communities
50:15
we’re gonna grow to help people out and
50:16
be good people and I just have this huge
50:21
satellite dish basically receiving lots
50:24
of extra light because I’m trying to
50:25
change a much bigger world and solve
50:28
much bigger problems that could be
50:29
argued that you should be argued so if I
50:34
had had the time to think of that or if
50:36
you had mentioned it beforehand when for
50:39
example the South Carolina Libertarian
50:40
Party which would not do that now by the
50:43
way under the new leadership they would
50:45
not have given you a hard time about the
50:47
Hat but under the previous regime when
50:50
they told you that you could that there
50:51
was no what a novelty had where I think
50:54
they called it I would have loved for
50:56
either you or vermin supreme or both of
50:59
you to argue that this was religious
51:02
headwear and that and you was a Jew I
51:05
mean you could have said this is a
51:06
yarmulke prove me wrong prove me prove
51:09
that this is not a yarmulke and now you
51:12
know
51:12
face the backlash in the front lash of
51:15
the of the Jewish community being told
51:18
that they can’t can’t wear religious
51:20
head where I would have actually loved
51:22
that I mean I’ve got a friend who’s got
51:24
his photo with a colander on his head on
51:28
his driver’s license oh is he a
51:29
Pastafarian yeah nice and he’s and it’s
51:34
actually and it has actually as a matter
51:36
of fact he has a little piece of tape
51:38
like like masking tape route with
51:41
Taxation after written on it so um yeah
51:45
that’s actually really cool so speaking
51:48
of the debate in the convention you were
51:50
of course at the South Carolina
51:52
libertarian party debate how angry were
51:55
you that the microscopic drone that the
51:57
government has following Adam Co cash
51:58
kept messing up the microphones I mean
52:03
technically it was a good thing for me
52:04
but gave you time yeah no you know
52:09
really like you know I I like Adam I
52:12
like a lot of the other candidates we’re
52:14
you know as much as you see these other
52:18
debates between Republicans or Democrats
52:19
and they’re all like you know trying to
52:21
call each other liars and frauds and
52:23
everything well we’re not liars and
52:25
frauds which might be one of the reasons
52:26
we’re not calling each other out on it
52:27
but we’re actually I think you know
52:30
we’re willing to work together to
52:33
achieve the goal that we need to get
52:35
more people into the Libertarian Party
52:37
and I think that’s what’s really great
52:38
about what we’re doing as much crap as
52:41
everybody talks about us from my hat
52:42
vermin’s hat
52:43
you know everybody’s like history of
52:46
saying abrasive things on the internet
52:48
and and you know whatever whatever they
52:51
have to throw at us right we make a
52:53
great team and what I’d like to see is
52:57
once I get the nomination is I would
53:00
like to have a lot of those people on my
53:01
team to help me keep pushing the
53:03
campaign forward because it’s I mean
53:04
I’ve always hated this you know you go
53:06
into like the the Texas gubernatorial
53:08
race in 20
53:11
what was that twenty eighteen or twenty
53:13
sixteen twenty has some really great
53:15
candidates I think it’s 20 18 and I’m
53:18
like I can’t pick just one why can’t
53:20
they run as a team why can’t they work
53:22
together and I think that could happen
53:24
with some of the candidates that we have
53:26
today in the in a libertarian POTUS race
53:28
well and even I mean with very minor I
53:34
guess um so we’re I’m looking for
53:37
exceptions most of the candidates are
53:40
very nice to each other and very
53:42
complementary to each other I mean even
53:44
when there’s disagreement it’s on the
53:46
actual policy as opposed to like you’re
53:48
a bad person or Europe you know a liar
53:51
or you you know hate America or whatever
53:53
like it’s it’s very even even though
53:56
even in in the cases of like for example
53:58
you versus say a Ken Armstrong even
54:01
though there’s vast differences in in in
54:03
in in policy there you both seem to at
54:09
least want to move in the same direction
54:10
maybe not as far but you want to go in
54:13
the same direction at least for now
54:14
and you’re also complementary towards
54:16
each other and understanding that you’re
54:18
on the same team so that’s been that’s
54:19
been really cool and kind of refreshing
54:21
from for example the Republican or
54:23
Democrat debates where there’s almost no
54:25
difference between them and they argue
54:27
with each other like you know it’s me or
54:30
all these other terrible scumbags who
54:32
are the worst possible choice for
54:34
America but also if they win I’m gonna
54:35
immediately endorse them right yeah yeah
54:40
pretty much yeah so this is as good a
54:43
time as any for me to do my my little my
54:47
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dan I up until now I’ve been nice but
55:51
now it gets ugly I mean with the hard
55:52
ones oh yeah no it’s gonna get ugly now
55:54
I’m actually gonna get a shift into a
55:57
ugly stance dan I’m gonna be frank with
56:02
you one of your campaign promises is to
56:03
legalize pineapple pizza legalization of
56:08
course means taxation and regulation did
56:11
you really mean decriminalize pineapple
56:14
pizza or do you really want my 85 year
56:16
old grandmother to be arrested and put
56:18
in a cage for letting her pineapple
56:20
pizza license expire well I mean that is
56:25
a tough call we really can’t have
56:26
anybody with expired pineapple pizza
56:28
licenses no absolutely this is this is
56:32
you know anything should be
56:34
decriminalized it should be removed from
56:36
the DA’s list of schedule one narcotics
56:40
it’s yeah it’s I mean it’s it’s really
56:44
what’s interesting about that platform
56:46
is I started it kind of as a joke and
56:49
then I found out that the king of
56:51
Iceland excuse me Prime Minister of
56:54
isolated to ban it oh so you had that
56:57
before that yeah oh because I I love
57:02
pineapple pizza I’m a I’m a bit of a
57:05
junkie a sorry connoisseur and yes so so
57:10
that was my thing and I saw like you
57:11
know people fighting over it but I also
57:12
thought it was a great analogy for the
57:15
drug war right nobody has the right to
57:17
tell you what you can or can’t put in
57:18
your own body and I may not agree with
57:19
what you put on your pizza but I will
57:21
defend to the death your right to eat it
57:23
so that was actually I assumed that you
57:28
did that as sort of a like a
57:30
counterpoint or leveraging off of that
57:33
whole argument that was started by and I
57:35
think you’re I think it was the prime
57:36
minister of Iceland something some
57:37
politician in Iceland right who said
57:39
that you know jokingly that pineapple
57:41
pizza
57:41
maybe it wasn’t jokingly they tend to
57:44
ban stuff over there said it was
57:46
jokingly in his apology so I don’t know
57:48
well maybe maybe there was just too much
57:51
backlash on it but it’s jokingly
57:53
or not he said that that pineapple pizza
57:55
should be banned I assume that you
57:58
started’ that on that but you actually
57:59
did that before all of that right sort
58:01
of using it was also before the
58:03
Department of Homeland Security put out
58:04
the press release saying the Russians
58:07
are going to invade our social media and
58:09
get us to fight over whether or not
58:12
pineapple belongs on pizza they really
58:14
said that they really said that if you
58:17
go to legalized pineapple pizza org I
58:19
didn’t give you that one for your show
58:20
knows so much and that’s your fault
58:23
legalized pineapple pizza org and scroll
58:26
down you can actually get a link to the
58:27
actual document the Department of
58:30
Homeland Security put out saying that
58:34
the the beware of Russian pineapple
58:36
pizza I’m putting this in the show
58:39
legalized pineapple pizza org right
58:41
yeah okay so they literally wasted
58:44
taxpayer money to tell people that the
58:47
Russians were gonna have them arguing I
58:49
wonder do you think the Russians started
58:51
the whole Popeyes versus chick-fil-a
58:53
thing because that feels very Russian I
58:57
well I guess I was rushing to get mine
58:59
hahaha hold on I got one here say it
59:02
again well I was rushing to get mine so
59:10
that’s good so I wanted to ask you about
59:12
I noticed so you are involved with the
59:16
students for liberty of Uganda and I
59:20
it’s interesting because I just spoken
59:21
with I don’t know if you know Mike
59:23
avi who works in in the college
59:28
recruitment for students for liberty and
59:29
he was talking about their their
59:32
presence in Uganda specifically and in
59:34
other places in Africa some of us may
59:37
know about their anti LGBT anti-gay laws
59:40
but I think very few of us really
59:42
understand the state of how bad things
59:44
are there from many perspectives but
59:46
especially from the you know freedom of
59:48
expression and Liberty perspective tell
59:50
us about that and also tell us about how
59:52
you’re helping them over there with the
59:55
SFL Uganda so that was that was
59:59
interesting because there was while I
60:01
was there somebody asked the question
60:04
I’m trying to remember what word they
60:06
used
60:07
they were they were talking about gay
60:10
people mm-hmm and what did they call
60:15
stubborn
60:16
they called them stubborn right because
60:18
that’s like that’s like the euphemism
60:19
for that right so what do we do with all
60:22
these with all these stubborn people if
60:24
we don’t have government and that was
60:27
really interesting to see but I in in
60:29
the room that I was in there really
60:31
weren’t a whole lot of people who were
60:33
concerned about that there was there
60:35
were a lot of people who were very
60:38
concerned with freedom very anti-tax
60:41
some people were you know kind of on the
60:43
fence but I don’t think there were
60:44
really any of those abrasive type people
60:48
now there was a there was a video that I
60:52
saw I don’t remember it somewhere around
60:53
Africa which I know is a huge continent
60:56
but it was and I think it was like a
60:58
Natasha 2.0 show where they were talking
60:59
about how bad gay people are right and
61:02
what they to do and I’m not gonna get
61:06
into it but it is it was like it was
61:07
pretty gross but he was propaganda right
61:10
and I’m like watching that you can look
61:13
it up I don’t know if it’s know I know
61:14
what you’re talking about where he’s
61:15
like graphically describing with like
61:18
kids present like all these terrible
61:19
things that like believe which no one
61:21
does like yeah maybe 1% of that’d be
61:25
probably it was like it was like they
61:27
they eat the poopoo yeah yeah yeah yeah
61:29
yeah they eat the poopoo like no one’s
61:31
doing it was it yeah I yeah and but and
61:36
there is that and but it’s like fear
61:38
fear mongering and propaganda and it’s
61:41
and I’m sure you know I’m sure he didn’t
61:44
actually see somebody do that probably
61:46
heard it from somebody else like kids on
61:48
a playground right and they start
61:50
spreading rumors and and how terrible
61:51
people are and and you know I mean if
61:54
that’s what they’re doing anyway I mean
61:56
the worst you should do is is stand a
61:58
few feet back so you don’t smell their
62:00
breath but yeah like who really cares
62:04
and I think like in that group they’re
62:06
you know they’re they’re doing really
62:07
great work and they’re they’re there’s
62:10
so many organizations is it’s really
62:12
hard to identify who’s where but I mean
62:15
they’re spreading all across the African
62:17
continent just at the at the event that
62:20
I went to
62:21
there were people from from Nigeria and
62:25
Congo and you know all kinds of other
62:30
countries around there I was I I kind of
62:33
want to say Somalia but I don’t think I
62:35
met anybody from Somalia I was looking
62:36
for somebody from Somalia so I kid I
62:39
want to go and visit what is in there
62:42
all the real libertarians already live
62:43
in Somalia so that’s probably why they
62:46
don’t need it because it’s already
62:47
perfect liberty there I’m told right and
62:50
I actually read this this book in
62:52
defense of chaos which had some really
62:55
interesting points about Somalia and
62:58
basically said once the government was
63:00
gone that like yeah that I mean the
63:03
country is still kind of you know not
63:05
the greatest place to live but since the
63:07
government left like everything has
63:10
gotten so much better they have like
63:12
they they have like a dozen airlines
63:13
that are running flights out of that
63:15
country like to other countries that
63:17
like couldn’t exist before because of
63:18
government regulation there’s
63:20
competition there’s infrastructure
63:21
there’s high-speed cellphones like all
63:23
those crazy stuffs popping up and I I
63:27
went on Google Maps just to like because
63:29
they’ve got like every hotel in the
63:30
world on there you know and I started
63:31
looking at hotels around there is pretty
63:33
nice places so and roads and roads
63:36
somehow miracle of miracles they were
63:39
able to to work that out so you might
63:41
you know legalize poopoo pizza could
63:44
actually be your next could be your next
63:46
thing they could be like a pro-lgbt
63:48
probably not so we got some more
63:51
comments
63:53
Jacob LaBelle one of our top superfan
63:55
Jacob LaBelle is not happy pineapple
63:58
pizza is a crime against humanity I was
64:00
gonna vote for him
64:01
Kim ruff it is then so he does lovely
64:05
Ugandan zou so that’s good
64:06
Tom Arnold is glad to see that I’ve
64:08
gotten out of bed thank you he also says
64:12
Idi Amin was fabulous which sure I I
64:15
mean I guess so he’s kind of like the
64:19
African dictator version of Liberace
64:21
right right yeah it’s it’s I mean look
64:25
here’s it like you know they’ve got
64:28
their history out there and it’s really
64:29
interesting to see that you know you go
64:31
to a country where a lot of people are
64:33
starving and real
64:34
don’t have much to live on right and you
64:37
know we were at this university and you
64:39
could literally look out into the hills
64:40
and there is just like miles and miles
64:44
and miles of land you know with lots of
64:47
green grass which means is getting
64:48
plenty of rainfall why aren’t people out
64:50
there homesteading collecting rainwater
64:53
and doing all this other stuff well
64:54
because that’s government protected land
64:56
I can assure you right um
64:58
it’s you know government is the reason
65:00
people are poor people are starved
65:03
people are homeless it’s always
65:05
government there’s like there’s there’s
65:07
so many ways that we can survive on
65:10
natural resources but they have taken
65:12
that away from us and said oh no it’s so
65:14
only for the people that are gonna give
65:15
me riches and make me live like a king
65:17
as your ruler right oh yeah it’s yeah
65:21
yeah no exactly now of course we did a
65:24
red carpet interview together was I as
65:28
impressive in person as I am right now I
65:34
don’t know how to answer that question
65:36
because if I say if I say you lose
65:41
either way though you lose you lose
65:42
okay really yes equally impressive you
65:44
know there that also makes you lose you
65:46
lose either way but so just be honest
65:48
because you’re gonna lose you’ve already
65:49
lost what right now
65:52
you’re like this is better or like when
65:56
I was so what guys I didn’t want to
65:58
answer so cuz nobody there I’d either
66:00
have to say you were worse in person or
66:02
worse on the internet and oh so I lose
66:04
either way yes okay so that’s even
66:07
better so got equal it’s all good right
66:10
I guess so so guys when I say red carpet
66:12
interview we were on a it was actually a
66:15
34 by 26 square of kitchen mat but it
66:21
was red and we were really close yeah
66:24
it’s about that big yeah and we were we
66:26
were touching toes it was intense it was
66:29
really nice I really enjoyed that now
66:31
your hat I’ve had so I always ask my
66:36
followers you know before I have someone
66:37
on to ask you know me questions for my
66:40
guests and all answer
66:42
half of them were various variations of
66:46
what’s up with your hat
66:48
tell us the story about your hat why do
66:51
you wear the hat why does it say
66:53
taxation is theft as opposed to that I
66:56
guess something else we’ve talked about
66:59
it being a potential religious thing but
67:02
how did the hat come about and would you
67:04
tell us the story about that I could
67:06
write a book on that okay um maybe I
67:09
should you should me libertarianism in
67:12
my hat I hat I had there we go so let’s
67:18
see this story behind it okay um I had
67:23
gone through my evolutionary history of
67:25
Democrat Republican Ron Paul Tea Party
67:27
yes I was not happy came to the
67:29
libertarians gary johnson our savior yes
67:33
2012 i supported him and voted for him
67:35
2016 came along i was working on the
67:37
john mcafee campaign but i still decided
67:40
no matter who wins i will support them
67:43
out of these candidates because i like
67:45
all those candidates i don’t think there
67:48
was anybody i didn’t like in 2016 if
67:50
there was i forgot about him
67:52
gary johnson i met him several times
67:55
along the campaign trail he came to
67:56
Texas I saw him in in Orlando and I’d
68:01
met him a couple times before and I was
68:03
like okay this guy’s cool I like him
68:05
right but I had this impression that he
68:10
wasn’t really all taxation is theft
68:11
which was one of the reasons I came to
68:13
the libertarian party because I had my
68:15
fights with the IRS before right and I
68:18
knew that that was theft and I saw the
68:19
damage they’ve done they made people
68:20
homeless they destroyed lives they
68:21
destroy his businesses oh yeah I hate it
68:23
the IRS taxation was that you know he
68:26
didn’t believe that he wanted the fair
68:27
tax now I was like okay maybe I can’t
68:30
figure out a better solution than that
68:33
at this point this is back in 2016 if
68:36
that’s all he’s got okay I’m not okay
68:40
with it but I’ll still support him
68:42
because he’s better than Democrats and
68:43
Republicans and so he got he got the
68:48
nomination he went up on stage he made
68:50
his victory speech we’re gonna do this
68:52
we’re gonna do that we’re gonna do this
68:54
we’re gonna do that and taxation is
68:55
theft and I was like at that moment just
69:00
crushed because one
69:02
mcafee loss and that was a campaign I
69:03
was working on right but also now he’s
69:07
pandering yeah because he did not
69:09
believe that taxation is theft like if
69:12
he would have said taxation is theft
69:14
sometimes that would have been okay
69:17
right like that wouldn’t have like just
69:20
came out as like oh he’s a panderer he’s
69:23
a liar whatever so I was like I can’t I
69:27
can’t support this guy and I was just in
69:30
this zone I was I was mad I was
69:32
depressed I was angry I don’t know I was
69:34
going around I was going around the
69:35
entire convention he’s taxation theft is
69:37
taxation and theft everybody I was
69:39
asking and half the people it was really
69:44
about 50/50 split half the people said
69:46
yes taxation is theft hell yeah hell
69:48
yeah high five right right and then the
69:51
other half I shit you not I don’t know
69:53
what club they go to where they learn to
69:55
talk the same is taxation theft well it
70:01
always started out like that I don’t
70:03
know why that was so weird is the
70:04
weirdest thing right and then they gave
70:05
some excuse well well most of the times
70:07
it is but not always and you know things
70:09
like this and I was like half of the
70:11
libertarian party did I say the
70:13
libertarian libertarian party well maybe
70:15
they’re the libertarians maybe they went
70:17
to the wrong convention they were
70:18
waiting for the liver to come out and
70:20
then instead they’re sunny some guide
70:22
some tall guy coming up to Miss
70:24
taxations Heather I don’t know where’s
70:25
the liver right yeah nobody likes liver
70:28
so that would make sense yes so so I was
70:33
like something needs to be done about
70:34
this and so the next convention came
70:37
around 2018 in New Orleans and I at this
70:42
point I already had my tech state
70:43
taxation is theft store up online
70:45
selling merch and started doing the
70:47
podcast or some other kind of like
70:48
promotional videos and I got a table I
70:52
rented a table from from the convention
70:55
and everything taxation is theft I had
70:57
yard signs t-shirts I had a wall of like
71:01
handwritten notes that people could come
71:03
up and and write people’s names and it
71:06
was like the caption was like these
71:07
people’s lives have been destroyed by
71:09
the government right and it was like a
71:11
wall of just like you know all these
71:14
people some
71:15
famous some not some some had family
71:17
members who you know just had everything
71:20
taken from them assaulted by the police
71:22
sitting in prison for unjust reasons
71:24
yeah anyways all kinds of tax taxation
71:26
is theft everything we had an 8 by 10
71:28
foot backdrop we had a yellow carpet it
71:31
was like a 10 foot long roll of yellow
71:33
carpet for photos and and I was like I
71:38
need to really top this off with
71:39
something what can I do
71:41
so I found a biggest yellowest brightest
71:44
hat I can find okay it’s like a big
71:47
yellow taxation stuff sticker on it
71:48
actually two of them at the convention
71:50
but uh it’s just it’s just so hard to
71:52
keep this thing maintained no I can tell
71:57
I mean there’s it’s that was one of the
72:00
first things I thought was I’m like okay
72:01
so this isn’t just a hat like it’s it’s
72:06
massive and and guys so and this was a
72:09
so I I wish I had the video a little
72:10
bigger in person right it is way bigger
72:12
cuz you’re tall so I assume I’m looking
72:14
at your pictures and you always are you
72:16
have it we’re like how you have it right
72:18
now where you can actually see it where
72:20
you can see the entire hat and so that
72:22
makes you look short right and that
72:24
makes you look shorter so then I meet
72:26
you
72:26
and you’re like what like 6-1 6-2
72:28
something like that yeah yeah and so and
72:31
then the end then the hat and so you
72:34
know there’s like 7 feet so I mean say
72:35
it is a gigantic he’s a large man this
72:38
hat is huge so like there’s special care
72:41
is that a carry-on like how do you
72:43
transport with that it’s you know I
72:46
break the airline rules all the time
72:47
when I do travel with a carry-on and my
72:50
personal item which is my backpack this
72:51
is my second personal item
72:53
oh it’s carry it but yeah I carry it
72:57
sometimes I put it in a bag I have a bag
73:00
that it fits and like I just fold these
73:01
up on the side and then like I put like
73:03
you know stuff inside outside whatever
73:05
to protect it but and sometimes I just
73:07
wear it actually I have a video of me
73:08
wearing it going through the the
73:11
boarding process cuz that disturbed me
73:13
and I was like ooh I got my body cam I’m
73:17
at this place again yeah I got to record
73:18
this there’s this process they have at
73:20
the airports where you don’t show them
73:22
your ticket anymore you look into a
73:24
camera and it recognizes you and I have
73:26
no idea what database they’re using
73:28
that’s scary
73:29
yeah because I’ll just say Delta because
73:34
I don’t know if that’s their thing or or
73:36
you know if other lines I haven’t seen
73:37
another airline use it but I don’t know
73:39
where Delta got my picture to match it
73:41
right where did they even get a good
73:43
enough picture of you for biometric
73:44
purposes because that’s not a regular
73:46
picture yeah and when I was wearing the
73:50
Hat when I took the picture so on top of
73:52
that it’s like it’s is creepy so unless
73:56
you’re wearing that hat NSA is not gonna
73:58
be able to take it out they’re like we
74:00
don’t know who this guy is what the hell
74:01
is this he doesn’t have a massive yellow
74:04
mass on the top of his head that is fine
74:06
so when we did the interview I asked
74:09
about your hat and you told me that it
74:11
was made in a place out of material if
74:15
you a lot of my followers saw the
74:18
interview and they they messaged me
74:20
asking if you could maybe give a little
74:23
more detail about if someone wanted to
74:26
get that hat if it’s available and if so
74:28
where and how made in America okay
74:32
that’s really just all we’re saying and
74:34
I believe it’s camel-hair
74:37
freely I believe so
74:40
okay I don’t know if they had to kill a
74:42
camel or if it’s like some like
74:44
synthetic I really don’t know or if
74:46
there’s some poor camel with like that
74:47
hat shaped missing from his side like
74:50
right they had to shave from boats
74:52
probably growing back now so that’s not
74:54
something you ever plan on like having a
74:56
replica that you sell or anything online
74:58
or anything like that no I mean honestly
75:00
it’s I think the price point is a little
75:02
bit too expensive for dimensions you
75:03
know yeah it’s I mean hey I don’t want
75:06
to brag or anything but I got I got the
75:08
the finest quality you can find in a hat
75:11
ya know you got to me that’s some
75:12
serious trip there yeah and and the you
75:16
know but the one that you’re wearing is
75:18
like that’s kind of our that’s the one
75:21
that we want to get like millions of
75:23
people wearing because it is you know it
75:26
is something that’s like within reason
75:27
that we can get you know mass-produce in
75:29
a sweatshop somewhere and you know not
75:32
to say that you’re a lower class of
75:34
person no it’s affordable you can afford
75:37
it send the word I’m looking for you I
75:39
you know it’s affordable you know we can
75:42
afford it
75:43
it’s helping some you know Vietnamese
75:45
family some poor you know Malaysian kids
75:47
got a job finally like it’s a it’s
75:49
helping everyone so it’s a it’s a good
75:51
thing yeah I would say especially if
75:52
that’s camel here that’s probably quite
75:54
a price point how many camels must we
75:57
kill before people know that taxation is
76:00
theft we won’t rest we’ll kill every
76:02
damn camel on this planet until you
76:05
people recognize that taxation is theft
76:07
so do you remember our conversation
76:10
about ducks I can neither confirm nor
76:16
deny the allegations okay if you do how
76:21
much did that change your life well it
76:27
definitely changed my Google history the
76:30
next day something I won’t repeat online
76:35
all I want to say guys is that taxation
76:39
is theft and duck mating is rape and if
76:43
you if you google maybe don’t google it
76:46
go on DuckDuckGo
76:47
ironically go on DuckDuckGo and duck and
76:51
I guess search for duck rape and it’s
76:57
not pretty and afterwards you can
77:00
followed up with something a little bit
77:02
more libertarian like whale rape like
77:05
whale rape at UH and speaking of which I
77:08
have John McAfee is gonna be on we don’t
77:10
have an exact confirm date but in about
77:12
two weeks he’s gonna be on and give him
77:15
my regards
77:16
I will do cuz you’re you were on his
77:17
team right yeah yeah no I will I will
77:20
definitely I will bring you up he could
77:23
afford that hat he’s someone who could
77:25
afford that hat so we’ve got some
77:28
follower questions the first one is what
77:33
would the first hundred days of a Berman
77:35
administration look like so the very
77:42
first thing we’re gonna do the first
77:44
couple days I mean I’m I’m the kind of
77:47
person like I’m just gonna be like yes
77:48
we’re me and there’s the band still
77:50
gonna be playing and I’m be like get me
77:51
the hell out of here get me to the
77:52
office let me start signing pardons
77:53
right and get people out of prison
77:57
nonviolent drug offenses nonviolent tax
77:59
tax crimes you know a lot of that crap
78:05
we need to get people out of prison
78:06
right right
78:08
D scheduling all of the drugs from all
78:13
the fun drugs from the DA’s schedule
78:15
only the fun ones
78:17
only the fun ones yeah some of the some
78:19
of the not fun I mean yeah I don’t know
78:22
every the whole thing whatever right
78:23
we’ll take a vote we’re gonna start
78:28
deregulating the FDA which means we’re
78:29
not gonna prosecute people who are
78:31
operating outside of the FDA’s rules so
78:34
that we can allow a private organization
78:38
to form that can do the FDA’s job better
78:40
and cheaper and actually get drugs to
78:42
market that are gonna save people’s
78:44
lives we’re gonna shut down the DEA
78:46
completely the Department of Education
78:49
completely the ATF completely the IRS
78:54
completely and a couple others and we’re
78:59
gonna start looking into oh the NSA is
79:00
on that list completely yeah we’re going
79:02
to start looking at you know what we can
79:06
do to really start downsizing the FBI
79:07
until it’s it’s nothing left and enough
79:10
some libertarians like why wouldn’t you
79:11
just get rid of it on day one well they
79:13
actually have a lot of systems in place
79:16
that if we transition to private
79:19
organizations would actually make would
79:22
actually be really useful in helping
79:23
local law enforcement find real
79:26
criminals like Sherman rivers right
79:28
which like hey that’s a good thing right
79:29
right it just shouldn’t be in the hands
79:32
of government and actually the same
79:33
thing with the NSA although the NSA like
79:35
they can be shut down immediately they
79:36
just have a bunch of servers that need
79:37
to be wiped and we can auction them off
79:39
or do something right right so yeah
79:43
there’s there’s there’s some fun stuff I
79:45
was gonna say that that would be a
79:46
pretty aggressive hundred days so that
79:48
you can probably probably stop at it
79:50
there cuz that that would be a lot so
79:52
that would be very good next question is
79:54
how do you feel about the this is a
79:56
question that gets asked of almost every
79:58
guest that comes on that’s related to
80:01
the libertarian party how do you feel
80:03
about the inclusion of libertarian
80:05
socialists and anarchists and people
80:07
like left-libertarians into the party
80:10
so I’ve had some conversations with some
80:13
of them I’ve had some on my show and
80:15
they’re you know I I think at their core
80:18
they’re good people
80:19
they’re you know some of them like the
80:23
idea of communism but the
80:24
anarcho-communism is always really
80:26
interesting and I’ve tried to push them
80:29
to you know what’s the point actually
80:31
I’m gonna tie this back into something I
80:33
said earlier in a minute what’s the
80:35
point you would take property from me
80:36
right because that’s that’s the
80:38
difference right like they want to get
80:40
rid of the government but at some point
80:41
they feel like they’re entitled to other
80:43
people’s property and at what point
80:45
would they take property and you know
80:47
one guy I was pushing him like so at
80:49
what you know is what if I left my house
80:51
for ten minutes to go get groceries
80:52
would I come back and find you there on
80:53
my couch right and he said well no I
80:55
think you know if I see a house that’s
80:58
obviously well-maintained and there’s
80:59
furniture and you know everything else
81:00
I’m not gonna assume that’s an abandoned
81:02
house and I’m not gonna take that
81:03
property for myself
81:04
but if I see a house that’s abandoned
81:06
the grass is overgrown there’s no
81:08
furniture he might move in now what’s
81:11
really interesting about this is looking
81:13
down in Mexico they they have a lot of
81:16
squatter’s rights laws and and I think
81:19
the u.s. used to have a lot of this and
81:20
and like it goes back to common law and
81:22
everything else right like you know
81:24
English and everything so what’s really
81:27
interesting is like why not and we have
81:31
a government registry that says you know
81:33
this property belongs to somebody but I
81:35
mean if you abandon it like what’s just
81:38
like can you go to a ghost town and say
81:40
like oh well this entire talent is
81:43
abandoned I’m going to occupy one of
81:44
these houses I don’t know why you’d want
81:46
to do that but could you do that and is
81:48
the actual owner of that house gonna
81:50
complain because there’s probably still
81:51
a title somewhere that says you know
81:53
some guy 50 years ago or a hundred years
81:55
ago used to own this and maybe now he’s
81:58
dead and and his his next of kin should
82:01
have have a legal ownership chain of own
82:04
it’s like when somebody says hey there’s
82:05
this ghost town it’s just sitting here
82:07
it’s completely abandoned I’m gonna I’m
82:09
gonna do something with it and you know
82:11
maybe he builds a city or he builds like
82:13
a business right and he builds the next
82:15
Amazon warehouse there right then what
82:17
the the you know the people who haven’t
82:19
been there for a hundred years and their
82:20
great great granddaughters are gonna
82:22
come there say oh well you built that on
82:24
property that we own so that’s ours that
82:28
that doesn’t make too much sense to me
82:30
so I get the idea
82:32
you know like we have to understand we
82:33
we have this concept that the
82:37
government’s Registry of property is the
82:39
de facto this is who owns it and even as
82:42
capitalists we need to get out of that
82:44
mentality because that’s how the Native
82:46
Americans had their land taken away
82:47
right oh you don’t have title to it so
82:50
that means government gets to decide who
82:52
gets it right yeah yeah you you have
82:55
these processes and like it’s you know
82:57
why why is you know who owns any land in
83:01
California right like who decided like
83:04
Oh am I gonna homestead it am I gonna
83:06
draw a map around it there are giant
83:08
plots of land the government owns what
83:09
70 percent of the west coast or the west
83:11
or something like that it’s I know they
83:13
own like 90 percent of Nevada or
83:15
something like that yeah yeah why who
83:17
said they get to do that they’re not
83:18
homesteading it like they just say they
83:21
just drew a circle on a map is ownership
83:23
right right it’s yes so like none of
83:25
this seems fair so to trust the
83:27
government roster for that I think is
83:28
completely different so I think that
83:30
conversation is is really a conversation
83:32
worth having and by the way that’s that
83:34
that’s what I wanted to tie in to what I
83:36
said earlier about doing things
83:37
completely different and people you know
83:40
asking a question about how would we
83:41
have a military how would you deal with
83:43
property rights and squatters and
83:44
everything else well that’s dealt with
83:46
completely different in Mexico than it
83:49
is in the United States and it’s very
83:51
interesting and in some situations it
83:53
actually works out a lot better in
83:54
Mexico and in some situations it works
83:56
out better in the United States so but
83:59
yeah so these are the conversations that
84:01
I’ve had with some of the some of the
84:04
encom’s and I think it’s really
84:06
interesting I don’t think they’re right
84:07
on everything but I think bringing that
84:10
bringing that type of conversation into
84:13
the mix is is not a bad thing don’t get
84:15
me wrong I think there are some of them
84:17
that are like batshit crazy oh and I
84:19
mean some are like tanky some of them
84:21
call themselves a moms and they’re
84:22
Leninists they’re not they’re forced
84:24
collectivists and i and i want to make
84:26
that distinction between actual
84:27
libertarian socialists and you know
84:30
stalin fanboys or whatever like there’s
84:32
a difference um so yeah yeah and one of
84:35
these guys he was like he was like hey I
84:37
just
84:38
want to like I don’t want to have to
84:39
worry about rent and paying for food
84:41
because I want to spend all of my time
84:43
and effort in my life going around the
84:46
world and helping people in different
84:47
places and I’m like well that’s like I
84:48
can’t say anything wrong with that and
84:50
if you were doing that you’d probably
84:51
get food for free along your way right
84:53
if you’re helping right if you’re going
84:55
around helping people that’s gonna come
84:57
to you a you’re providing value to
84:59
people they’re gonna help you back right
85:01
exactly and and I don’t think he was
85:03
pushing for a tax to be able to pay for
85:05
that right now there are the group of
85:06
people who say well yeah we should get
85:08
rid of the government but while it’s
85:09
here which we should expand it because
85:11
at least while they’re robbing us as you
85:12
give us something back and that’s a
85:14
totally flawed argument cuz basically
85:15
what you’re saying is governments since
85:17
government is so big let’s make it
85:19
bigger before we make it smaller but
85:21
that’s always the argument that’s used
85:22
right and then it gets bigger and then
85:24
you know you forget the plan about
85:26
making it smaller and then somebody else
85:28
comes along and says it’s too big let’s
85:29
make it bigger and then smaller right
85:31
all right yeah you’re a bigger bigger
85:32
and it never ends right and that’s
85:34
actually I’m on both sides you’ll see
85:35
that so you’ll see on the on the left
85:37
side you’ll see people go well we don’t
85:38
need a government but while it’s here we
85:40
should get you bi and Medicare for all
85:43
and like you know stuff to help us live
85:45
better because they’ve made our lives
85:46
bad and then on the right side you’ll
85:48
get some people that’ll go well we don’t
85:50
need a government at all but while
85:51
there’s a welfare state they should be
85:53
like stopping people from coming here
85:54
and even some of the more extreme ones
85:56
are like stopping poor people from
85:57
having kids so that you know people
85:59
can’t take my welfare and I’m like if
86:01
either of you think that this government
86:04
that you’re demanding be expanded is
86:07
gonna then turn around and grant you
86:09
your rights back I think maybe you
86:11
should look at the entire history of
86:13
every government ever so the next
86:15
question you were asked at the South
86:19
Carolina libertarian party debate who
86:21
you thought was the most libertarian
86:22
democrat or republican who do you think
86:25
is the most Democrat or Republican
86:26
member of the LP man I I don’t know man
86:33
I hate questions like this because to
86:35
tell you the truth I hate labels like I
86:37
mean people ask me like well are you a
86:39
libertarian and I’m I have to ask what
86:40
do you mean by libertarian right because
86:43
everyone’s got different definitions I
86:45
it’s really I mean I could I could
86:49
probably say Bill well you know that’s
86:51
it yes
86:51
correct that’s actually I have that
86:52
written oh that’s the correct answer oh
86:54
well you got the right answer yeah right
86:55
but I mean like maybe he’s just the most
86:57
popular one but he’s not even a
86:59
libertarian anymore so or is he
87:01
undercover trying to convince he is a
87:03
lifetime member of the party so I wrote
87:07
that down as the correct answer so I
87:11
mean if you’re running in the Republican
87:13
primary for president and are the
87:16
Libertarian Party lifetime member and I
87:21
wasn’t a member of the Libertarian Party
87:24
until a couple months ago when they
87:27
forced me
87:28
so membership doesn’t necessarily make
87:31
somebody a libertarian no but I said I
87:35
put the question what member of the LP
87:36
oh I see yeah so no you got the but you
87:41
know your limit your lead litigating
87:42
your correct answer so you know you were
87:44
right um so libertarians battle with the
87:48
misconception of being selfish greedy
87:50
and not hold on a second I just got
87:53
another really interesting question can
87:55
I see myself in court yes
87:56
and can I lose on purpose to set
87:59
precedent sure okay cool yeah sorry was
88:06
a question the question was can you sue
88:08
yourself in court and if it’s onna no
88:10
your libertarians battle with the
88:13
misconception of being selfish greedy
88:15
and not caring about others what do you
88:17
think is the best way that we can battle
88:18
that misconception I I think we have to
88:22
understand that it’s true is the correct
88:26
answer because like but we have to
88:30
understand what that means and that
88:31
selfishness is not necessarily a bad
88:33
thing but anybody who wants to make a
88:37
change to government wants to make a
88:39
change in where they think the problem
88:42
is because of their own reasons right
88:44
some people are libertarians because
88:45
they want to legalize weed that’s
88:47
selfish because that’s what they think
88:48
and it might not be because they smoke
88:50
it it might be because they’re tired of
88:52
seeing their friends and family thrown
88:53
in prison for it okay but isn’t that
88:55
still kind of selfish
88:57
isn’t it just selfish if all you want is
88:59
the world to be a better place without
89:00
government torturing people and throwing
89:02
them in cells and killing them
89:04
that’s what
89:05
you want you want to live in that world
89:07
right so we have to understand that well
89:10
yeah we’re we’re all selfish but we also
89:12
have to understand that makes us just
89:14
like everybody else and that makes that
89:17
means that we just want to live our
89:18
lives just like everybody else and when
89:20
we come to that understanding like with
89:23
my health care plan one of the things is
89:27
you know it’s easy for us to get
89:29
Republicans because they’re selfish in I
89:32
don’t want the government taking my
89:33
money right they see low taxes smaller
89:35
government okay cool so they come they
89:37
come for that for the Democrats it’s
89:40
usually pretty hard because they say but
89:42
I want people to be healthy I want the
89:44
poor and the sick and the young and old
89:46
to be taken care of and so all we need
89:49
to do is say you know not fuck the poor
89:52
which a lot of libertarians like to say
89:54
we need to say okay let’s solve those
89:58
problems right how do we solve those
90:00
problems without government and when you
90:01
start going down that path you’ll
90:03
realize oh well government actually
90:05
created those problems and when you
90:07
start talking to people like that I
90:08
would love to fix those problems I would
90:10
love to make sure that there aren’t
90:11
homeless starving children and elderly
90:13
in this country I would love that and I
90:16
would love for you to live in that
90:17
country in this country in that way
90:19
without those problems how do we make it
90:22
happen we get government out of way
90:24
because the government’s creating all
90:25
these problems and that’s when their
90:27
minds just kind of explode and they’re
90:28
like wow okay that’s cool so this took a
90:32
very sterner esque turn maybe egoism
90:37
slightly where you were saying you know
90:39
even when we’re doing things for others
90:41
ultimately there’s a selfish aspect to
90:43
it and that we’re helping are we’re
90:46
feels good right it feels good and then
90:48
we like that so like people pretty much
90:51
never do anything that is going to cause
90:55
them to feel some kind of you know pain
90:57
or distress like a net negative feeling
91:00
unless they’re masochist in which case
91:03
it’s still kind of selfish because they
91:04
actually have a perverse pleasure in
91:06
hurting themselves but that’s still so
91:09
do now do you consider yourself an
91:11
egoist or is that just kind of no okay I
91:15
don’t think so okay
91:17
no is curious because that’s sort of the
91:19
the sterner the Max Turner thing of you
91:22
know perceived self-interest and so
91:23
forth so the last question from the
91:25
followers before we go to final my
91:27
fellow Americans is what was the last
91:31
non libertarian position you held and
91:33
what made you give up on it
91:36
the last non libertarian I’m trying to
91:43
think when did I give up on closed
91:45
borders that was me I don’t think I’ve I
91:48
don’t think I’ve ever been for closed
91:49
borders okay I think probably probably
91:52
the closest one would have been some
91:56
form of common-sense gun control back
91:59
when I was a commie for nyan because
92:01
that I grew up in Los Angeles okay so
92:03
that that’s probably the last one and
92:06
that was a pretty pretty long time ago
92:08
and it was just as part of your
92:10
evolution into libertarianism that you
92:12
gave up on that I think it was it was
92:17
part of my personal evolution but I
92:19
think it had more to do like it happened
92:21
before I came across the Libertarian
92:23
Party and even understood what a
92:24
libertarian was okay but I think it had
92:26
to do with just moving to Texas getting
92:30
introduced to gun culture with you know
92:33
people who were like in a way that like
92:37
you know broke through all the
92:40
propaganda that I was used to seeing
92:41
right in California right you weren’t
92:44
just seeing bad actors with guns you
92:46
were seeing people that like were just
92:48
normal reasonable people that wanted to
92:50
be able to defend themselves and so
92:51
forth as opposed to guns were for bank
92:53
robbers and drug dealers and you know
92:55
gangsters or whatever I don’t think I
92:58
was ever that well yeah maybe I was I
93:00
don’t know yeah but it’s I mean it all
93:02
came from it all cuz like I mean look
93:04
when I was like when I was like eight I
93:07
shot like a 22 at a shooting range at a
93:09
Boy Scout camp and I shot a couple BB
93:11
guns and that was it that was my
93:14
childhood with guns so everything else I
93:16
knew about it came from TV which is a
93:20
good way to remember supporting gun
93:21
control is yeah III remember I when I
93:24
was when I was like I don’t know i’m
93:26
just i’m just guessing numbers like five
93:28
ish or eight or i don’t know my
93:31
next-door neighbor i was
93:33
friends with and his dad was a cop and I
93:34
went over to his house and I remember
93:36
seeing the shotgun there in like a gun
93:38
cabinet
93:39
oh hey Lucia uh-oh oh boy did I lose you
93:51
I think I lost you but the folks didn’t
93:55
lose me you guys didn’t lose me but Dan
94:00
did let me see if I can reconnect with
94:03
Dan let me see if I can do that again
94:15
okay we may the show may be over guys
94:19
about to find out let’s see if I can
94:22
invite Dan again or if he’s been kicked
94:27
off he may have been kicked off if he
94:33
has he’s dope he said his computer effed
94:38
up
94:46
we will see I’m gonna see if he can get
94:51
on if not then we’ll oh he’s trying to
94:53
get on so unfortunately usually guys I
94:57
can I can talk about some other stuff
94:59
but we were just gonna wrap up with
95:02
final my fellow Americans and I was
95:05
gonna ask him I was gonna give him 30
95:07
seconds and give him the names of the
95:10
other is that do my ears deceive me
95:14
are you back I think you’re on hi can
95:25
you hear me now I can hear you and see
95:27
you perfect okay
95:29
all right cool so that was weird yeah no
95:32
problem so Abby what’s up NSA yeah and I
95:37
say nice try
95:39
so we have a segment now called final my
95:43
fellow Americans and basically what I’m
95:46
going to do is terrible are we all gonna
95:49
die yes and and you’ll never know when
95:52
that’s the worst part of it but just
95:55
because we started this at some later
95:57
date we will all die so I’m gonna give
96:01
you 30 seconds and you’re going to I’m
96:05
gonna give you the names of some of the
96:08
liberty of other people that are running
96:09
for the Libertarian Party nomination for
96:11
president and you’re going to tell me
96:14
what you think their favorite pizza
96:17
topping is okay do you think you can do
96:22
this
96:23
yep 30 seconds it’s not thirty night
96:28
time it’s not gonna be enough time but
96:29
I’m gonna give you 30 seconds to answer
96:31
as many as I can to answer as many as
96:33
you can and then I might still keep
96:35
asking you we really don’t know this
96:38
game has no rules this is a pure anarchy
96:40
game but uh let me know when you’re
96:42
ready and we will start hold on let me
96:45
pull up my random word generator okay
96:48
I’m ready okay perfect
96:50
so 30 seconds on the clock good luck Ken
96:54
Armstrong
96:57
steak oh wow
97:00
Adam Koch ash gunpowder Bend leader
97:08
revenge Joe Jorgenson
97:15
salt
97:18
Kim ruff rainbows that’s a good one
97:28
averman supreme probably should have
97:29
been rainbows pony meat
97:31
oh yeah that’s obvious um who else do I
97:35
have here max Abramson tactical voting
97:42
these are terrible pizza crunchy topping
97:45
soft the actual answer by the way for
97:48
Joe Jorgenson is that she doesn’t find
97:50
that to be something that the voters are
97:51
interested in and she would rather talk
97:53
to you about the income tax okay
97:56
so you’ve lost I’m happy to talk about
97:59
the income tax no as are all as they’re
98:03
all libertarians so you did lose that
98:06
but you have gotten the highest score
98:09
for any loser about that game which I
98:13
just started today I’m awesome so good
98:18
job and also I’m sorry um Dan it’s been
98:22
an absolute blast having you on I hope
98:25
to have you on again soon and also it
98:28
was a blast apparently being on your
98:29
show as well I guess on my show on your
98:32
show on my show your show on my show
98:35
it’s been great to have your show on my
98:39
show dan so before I let you go I want
98:43
to give you a chance to give any final
98:44
thoughts you want to give any message
98:46
you want to say anything you feel like
98:48
we didn’t have a chance to talk about
98:49
anything you want to plug any events
98:51
that are up got anything you want to
98:53
talk about dan Berman the floor is yours
98:59
all right well definitely check out
99:02
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99:04
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99:22
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99:26
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99:29
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99:31
pretty and stop letting the government
99:32
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99:35
have much better lives that’s what we’re
99:37
fighting for
99:38
very good thank you again for coming on
99:41
stick around I’m gonna talk with you
99:43
during the outro
99:45
but guys thanks again for tuning in to
99:49
my fellow Americans it was great having
99:51
you be sure to come back next Tuesday
99:55
for the muddy waters of freedom where
99:57
Matt Wright and I will be parsing
99:59
through the week’s news like the sweet
100:01
autumn cherubs that we are and then tune
100:05
in again next Thursday I believe we
100:10
haven’t completely firmed up the time
100:12
but I believe next Thursday we will be
100:13
having the Masters of debate two from
100:17
the famous masters of debate series this
100:21
time it will be an LNC libertarian
100:23
National Committee Chair debate between
100:25
Joshua Smith
100:27
Todd Hagopian hag opinion I think it’s a
100:30
go pian and Mike Shipley and possibly
100:33
next our work he has said that he’s not
100:35
sure if he’s running for reelection but
100:37
if he decides between now and Thursday
100:39
he’ll be on as well and then sometime
100:43
next week I don’t have an exact an exact
100:47
time yet day or time yet but sometime
100:49
the following week John McAfee will be
100:53
my guest John I don’t have a good
100:57
nickname for him but McAfee John McAfee
100:59
will be on and yeah so be sure to tune
101:03
in to Muddy Waters media thank you guys
101:05
again for watching have a great rest of
101:07
your evening and god bless ya
101:10
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