(((My Fellow Americans))) #51: The Man In The Big Yellow Kippah with Dan Behrman

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this is the second thing the Libertarian
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Party is just chock-full of caucuses
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most of them or many of them I should
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say most many of them are just utterly
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pointless and useless I decided to put
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an end to all of the silliness by
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starting my own caucus the Libertarian
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Party Waffle House caucus our purpose is
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to share the message of Liberty
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today the link is in the show notes or
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you can just search in Facebook for the
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I hope to see you there guys my guest
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tonight is an absolute legend he is an
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international speaker he is a software
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engineer who has worked with many
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Fortune 500 companies he’s a political
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strategist who has helped countless
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libertarian campaigns and activists and
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he is currently running for the
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Libertarian Party nomination for
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president of these United States ladies
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and gentlemen my fellow Americans please
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welcome to the show mr. dan taxation is
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theft uberman Dan thank you so much for
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joining us
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absolutely I’m welcome thank you I’m
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sorry I’m I’m jumping between my podcast
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and your podcast welcome to my podcast
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oh okay all right well welcome to the
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Dan welcome me to the Dan taxation I’m
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gonna welcome you to your own podcast
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okay my own podcast everyone I don’t
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know what’s happening anymore hey
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everyone welcome to wherever you are
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listening to the two of us on the
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Internet
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dan I’m really honored to have you on I
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got one for you okay two Jews walk into
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a podcast that’s it I have the rest of
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it yet no but it stretched it’s really
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just a statement of fact literally and
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we say literally literally did we
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literally walk into a podcast I actually
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walked in here so two Jews walk into –
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two podcasts
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I’m really
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have you won when you went on my cohost
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Matt writes show the writer’s block I
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was like man that was so good I better
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wait an acceptable amount of time to
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make it seem like I’m not totally
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jealous that you were on his show first
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and now here you are well you just
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spilled the beans yeah but I didn’t oh
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sorry it’s I’m not gonna make you that
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kind of a show I’m not gonna call you on
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your bullshit every other second no you
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probably should because so far this show
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has just been pure it’d and I really
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need like someone to come in and say no
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this has to stop and it took you and I
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appreciate that so thank you for coming
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on guys be sure to comment with your
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questions and thoughts I’m also talking
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to Dan’s podcast listeners too you guys
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be sure to comment with your questions
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or thoughts wherever you see us on the
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Internet be sure to comment with your
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questions and thoughts and dan and I
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will tell you if you are right or wrong
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now Dan this is both your first time on
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my show and my first time on your show
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on your show your first time on my show
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on your show this is your first time on
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my show on your show Dan um so about
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that okay so because of that the first
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thing I always asked my guest is to tell
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us a little story a ditty if you will a
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Dan diddy about who you are and how you
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came about to be a libertarian was it an
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aha moment or kind of a gradual
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evolution tell us you were Dan Diddy man
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well I’ve been I’ve been trying to tell
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this story before and then I it hit me
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the other day I’ve been telling it all
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wrong okay the story that I’ve been
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telling is is you know yeah where I grew
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up and where I moved and you know saw
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these you know learn about
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libertarianism learned about Ron Paul
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you know all this stuff which is great
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but then I realized I think a more true
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statement about why I’m doing this and
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how I got into this sorry I my dogs are
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lying I don’t uh has more to do with I
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saw my friends my family people who were
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who were close to
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people who weren’t close to me but who I
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could see we’re wronged by this system
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right whether it’s the police the laws
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the taxes the wars you know all this
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stuff I see it and I’m like I I just
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can’t sit and watch this it’s I got to
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do something about this right
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it’s absolutely immoral than any of this
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stuff is going on and nobody seemed
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while I say nobody not literally nobody
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figuratively nobody nobody seems to be
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doing anything about it and I know there
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are a lot of great people in the
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libertarian party who are trying to do
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something about it and you know I just I
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just I got to bring my own flavor to it
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and do as much as I can to to help you
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know help what everyone else is doing
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along and just you know be another
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soldier in the fight against all this
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injustice very cool very cool now that
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brings us to your presidential campaign
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now I was at the as you know I was at
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the South Carolina Libertarian Party
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convention and debate I was not only was
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I there for your speech I was literally
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the closest human being to you during
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your speech I was like right up at the
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front with my camera so I have that
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distinction going for me which is nice
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and if I were smart I’d have that video
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showing right now but I didn’t think to
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put that there until this very moment
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um so Dan on both of our shows at the
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same time I would like to say to you
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that during that speech it was
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interesting because I lutely loved it
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you you talked about traveling
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internationally without papers not
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paying taxes how we shouldn’t even be
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paying taxes and you kind of broke that
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down about you know how the IRS in a
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definition of who is a worker and so
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forth it felt like like a really great
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motivational speed speech about how you
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set yourself free and how we could all
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do the same that kind of like how you
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how you try to present it yeah I mean
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it’s you know every time I go somewhere
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else I I speak a little bit differently
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on different subjects um and you know so
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it’s but I will say that you know I have
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had that in my history I have been kind
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of a seminar junkie
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you know I came from being pretty
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unmotivated and or I don’t want to say
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yeah I came from like an interesting
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past of you know trying to figure out
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okay how do i how do I start a business
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I always wanted to be an entrepreneur
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but how do I actually make this happen
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how do I get motivated enough how do I
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learn all these skills that I need in
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order to become a successful
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entrepreneur sorry where I was a seminar
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junkie for a while
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learned lots and lots of great things
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and I I really feel that you know in the
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reason that a lot of those programs work
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are actually very interesting because of
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you know there you have a lot of
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information you have to get it to people
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but you also want to get people to like
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you don’t want them to just get the
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information so they can recite it later
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you like people need to become active
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and they need to be you know especially
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we talked about the Libertarian Party
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and people who are in this movement and
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people who we want to support this
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campaign you’ve got to get active you
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need to you need to become inspired you
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need to be motivated and you you need to
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want to make change in the world right
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and so I think that’s kind of you know
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maybe we’re a little bit of that comes
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from cool yeah no it was it was amazing
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and I I I have to I want to ask there
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are some who run for president under the
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Libertarian Party and maybe under other
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parties as well but I noticed a lot with
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the DLP there seem to be kind of two
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groups of people there are those that
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are running because they’re actually
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like trying to be elected president and
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then others who sort of use it as a
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vehicle to spread their message about
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freedom and liberty like they’re sort of
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using that earned media attention they
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can get from it to to spread that
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message would you say that you’re doing
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one or the other is that you you you
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know really want to be inaugurated as
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president in January of 2021
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or is this primarily about spreading the
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message to people that they should be
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free or is it kind of a combination of
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both I think it’s really a combination
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of both I mean if you were to ask do I
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want to be President the the answer is
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kind of no but am I willing to be
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President to fix a lot of the injustice
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in this country and in the world then
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the answer is absolutely yes and what
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what people like people seem to like
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they want to differentiate that right
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like is it like are you in this to teach
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liberty and
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spread it or are you in this to to get
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elected right and that’s the same thing
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no libertarian is going to get elected
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until people understand what a
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libertarian is and want that right get
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to that until you educate people and you
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get them on board and this is like this
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is a really important part of this
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because I know a lot of people think
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that educating people on the
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libertarianism means going out and
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teaching them economics and teaching
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them all this other stuff that’s really
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not it right um really the idea is and
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this is what we’re doing with the
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campaign we’ve been really successful I
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mean we’ve got Trump supporters and
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Bernie Sanders supporters and all kinds
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of X Democrats and an ex-military and X
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police and everything else supporting
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this campaign it’s not by saying you
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know here’s here’s why we need to end
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the Fed it’s really by saying look what
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do you see as a problem in the world and
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once you understand what they see as a
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problem in the world you can you connect
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the dots and say this is how
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libertarianism is going to fix that
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problem and then it’s not watering it
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down it’s not pandering it’s none of
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that
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it’s finding out how to communicate the
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message to them and once you have that
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you you have a really strong connection
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and you can teach them libertarianism
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and a couple of months later you might
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be teaching them why they should end the
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Fed but you need to make sure you get
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your foot in the door at the right place
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and every person has a different need
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I’m in their life and that’s where you
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need to start right most people aren’t
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like they’re busy worrying about making
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ends meet and things like that and
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they’re not necessarily as cerebral as
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we are we’re us walking up them to them
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and going well yeah I understand that
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you know you’re worried about you know
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how your kids are gonna get into college
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and you know get ahead in life and how
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you’re gonna pay down your credit card
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debt but have you ever thought of
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reading rothbard
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cuz you should totally read rothbard
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like they’re not they’re not gonna get
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that they’re gonna get you giving that
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empowering message of saying here’s why
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the state and coercive entities and
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central planning are harming you and
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here’s how it’s specifically to the
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problems that you’re stating you have
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and here’s how libertarianism could fix
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that
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hey so exactly yeah no I totally agree
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with that and my there we go that’s my
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screen to that end you do talk about
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ending the Fed you talk about canceling
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government debts and ending the drug war
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and
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all the Wars transforming the federal
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government into this is what I wanted to
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ask you about you talk about
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transforming the federal government into
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as you put it quote unquote one that
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interacts with its citizens on a purely
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voluntary basis so that we can be free
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from the coercive nature of abusive
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taxation and regulations now a lot of
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people don’t really know how government
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could run without taxation tell us how
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that could work
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sure so first well I I kind of want to
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say you know to the the reason that
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that’s there is because you have a lot
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of people in the libertarian party who
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are like just get rid of the whole thing
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and you have you know anarchists they
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don’t want to vote at all but and they
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want to get rid of government completely
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and there’s there’s a point to recognize
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here that if government weren’t
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trampling our rights and it weren’t
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robbing us and and all these other
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things would it really be so bad if it
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actually existed if it were limited to
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building libraries with a voluntary
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source of funds would it be so bad and I
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think the answer is no okay and it would
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maybe you wouldn’t call it government
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maybe you would just call it a nonprofit
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library organization and that’s fine but
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tomato tomahto right right right right
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you know whatever you want to call it
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but so so yeah the idea is that it needs
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to be voluntary right and it allows a
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lot of people to ask okay so how do you
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fund a government voluntarily well the
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first thing you do is you get rid of all
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of the waste which is like probably
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ninety to ninety nine percent of the
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budget right you get rid of all the
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waste and then you’re left with a much
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smaller amount that you have to come up
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with and so coming up with this smaller
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amount well there are all kinds of ways
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that the government has raised money in
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the past you’ve got bonds that they
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issue for public projects which are
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basically you know let’s say let’s say
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the country needs a railroad right so
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the government sells bonds to build the
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railroad they build the railroad they
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they lease the railroad out to
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businesses who are gonna use it or to to
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customers who are gonna use it to travel
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and you know this is this is probably
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like 1800s how this could work right
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right because because now it’s like it’s
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like the uber of car
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kind of thing but so this is a
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government project and so the money
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that’s charged from those railroads goes
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all t’me back to the government to pay
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off those bonds now could any other
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private organization do that absolutely
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right do other private organizations do
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that absolutely so it’s it comes down
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but that’s like the competition of it
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right that’s you know if Elon Musk wants
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to create his high speed vacuum tunnel
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whatever it’s called to let him and let
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him raise the money for that through
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private investors and whatever else and
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he’s gonna charge money for it and if
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government wants to do the same thing
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well let them but the the important
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distinction is when you look at when you
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look at a private person like you know
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Elon trying to do this he’s looking at
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numbers how much money we’re gonna make
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from this are we gonna make enough money
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back to quote-unquote pay off the bonds
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right to pay off the investors when the
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government does it they basically say
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well how much money can we steal from
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people and is it enough to pay for this
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project three times over that we can
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make sure our friends in the special
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interest groups that are benefiting from
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like steel companies and manufacturing
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companies and everything else can get
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can can butter their biscuit right so
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it’s um yeah they’re completely separate
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beasts but we have to realize that it is
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absolutely possible for government to do
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things but we also need to make sure
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that we’re not going to give them a
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monopoly power because then that
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prevents private competition which nine
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times out of ten does things much more
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efficiently well exactly and that’s the
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thing you even talk about on your
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website you talked about I like how you
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said I’m gonna give you free health care
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and free education you have a little V
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there to denote it you’re saying the
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verb of free I’m going to free health
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care and free education but but on those
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pages you talk about on your site you
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talk about how a not free market is is
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harming us and you talk about a couple
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things you brought up where you know a
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hepatitis B pill that costs four dollars
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in India is like four thousand dollars
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here now probably made here I would
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assume or made if not here then in
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Canada or Europe or something like that
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but then it’s it’s you know sold there
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at market price banned from importation
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back here so that we can’t get it for
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dollars and ship it back you know a
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little tiny pill and then you know like
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a bag of saline which is literally just
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salt water is like up to a thousand
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dollars when it’s billed to your
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insurance company and it’s you know
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maybe for the bag in the water combined
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it’s worth a dollar let’s even say it’s
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worth five dollars but you know they’re
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charging it you know literally two
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hundred times as much that’s the the
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wages of a egg as you said an
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organization that’s primarily concerned
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about getting reelected and getting
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their special interest paid off as
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opposed to making a profit and competing
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with others now I guess my question to
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you is maybe this is a semantics thing
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if we’re talking about a government that
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is funded entirely voluntarily and
22:56
allows private competitors to compete
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with it on equal terms where they’re not
23:02
you know using regulations or licensing
23:04
or whatever to harm their competitors is
23:08
howhow is that substantive ly different
23:11
than a stateless society in or is it you
23:13
know government name only or do you see
23:15
a distinction there yeah I mean I think
23:18
it’s a it’s really hard to say because
23:21
everyone’s got their definition of what
23:22
government is I mean let’s say you had
23:25
government and it was still just as bad
23:27
bad as it is now but the police were a
23:30
different organization the regulations
23:33
were a completely different and so you
23:35
had like ten governments would you call
23:37
them collectively a government or not or
23:39
would you call them ten different
23:40
governments would you call them
23:42
nonprofit organizations would you call
23:44
them criminal organizations right um
23:46
it’s it’s really just a name so I I
23:49
think yeah going back to the idea that
23:52
if if you have all these organizations
23:55
that are doing things and you will have
23:57
I mean look even even with all of the
24:00
regulations in place you’ve got
24:03
charities you’ve got one who are willing
24:05
to do good for free and you also have
24:08
scams you have scam charities that are
24:11
willing to do something for free and the
24:12
government hasn’t prevented them from
24:14
existing but it’s up to us to spread the
24:17
word and to our friends and say don’t
24:20
donate to this place because they’re a
24:21
scam donate to the other place it’s up
24:24
to us to kind of review it and do that
24:26
sort of thing
24:27
and
24:28
you know we have ways of doing that like
24:29
you know through online reviews and
24:31
ratings and word-of-mouth and then
24:33
especially now we have the technology to
24:34
spread that information so much faster
24:38
but yeah I think it’s it it it’s really
24:41
just like how you think about it and
24:43
what I think is really interesting is if
24:46
you if you at least have competition if
24:48
there were two governments and let’s say
24:52
they all provided the same services so
24:54
you had two organizations in every city
24:57
that we’re providing police and fire and
24:59
everything else and two organizations
25:01
nationally that had some sort of I don’t
25:03
know defense army or court system and
25:07
none of them charge taxes and then one
25:11
of them came along and said hey we’re
25:12
gonna charge taxes to everybody you have
25:15
to pay it whether you agree with it or
25:16
not you all right hey us right what
25:19
would people do they’d probably go to
25:20
the other government and say hey that
25:22
guy’s trying to rob us what are you
25:23
gonna do about it
25:25
exactly okay so I think there’s I think
25:28
it’s like really a matter of perspective
25:30
about you know people really have to
25:33
understand what the purpose of
25:34
government is and and to see how its
25:37
overstepped so much and then now
25:39
everything that it does good intentions
25:42
are not it’s causing much more harm than
25:45
if it would just piss off and go away
25:46
right and it’s like you said it’s less
25:49
about the definition of whether it’s
25:50
government or not and it’s more about is
25:52
there coercion is there left or are you
25:56
being you know are you allowed to
25:57
voluntarily interact or not interact
25:59
with whom you wish whomever you wish and
26:01
allow and have you know multiple people
26:03
being able to compete is it a market set
26:05
free or is it you know another name for
26:07
government you know now it’s just you
26:09
know mafias or something like that doing
26:10
it so that that’s a good point we have
26:13
some comments here
26:15
let’s see Karen Thompson says that’s an
26:19
amazing point why are so many career
26:22
politicians super wealthy just from
26:24
their political connections I don’t know
26:26
any actual volunteers who have three or
26:28
four houses funded from their efforts
26:31
exactly rod Weber says start talking
26:35
about explosions or I’m out explode
26:38
those pills explode them
26:40
I want mandatory
26:41
oceans thoughts on that yeah yeah we
26:44
actually have a really awesome
26:45
commercial coming up for the campaign in
26:47
the next week or two that’s got lots of
26:49
explosions in it oh well good
26:51
well Brod be sure to check that out
26:54
karen says rod weber we need to go fund
26:57
me your bail expenses I think he might
26:58
explode the go fund me so I don’t know
27:01
how much that’ll help but yeah anyone
27:03
who wants to see explosions the the
27:05
campaign I’m actually looking forward to
27:06
that now because I’m looking forward to
27:08
seeing what you’re talking about there
27:09
he’s gonna be awesome yeah no I I can
27:12
imagine so I wanted to ask this we
27:13
talked about this briefly
27:14
I think when we’re going back from the
27:17
debate to the back to the after party or
27:19
whatever um some of the stuff you talked
27:21
about specifically about taxation and
27:26
the IRS would you mind delving into that
27:30
a bit because I I had heard that before
27:33
but I I had only heard about it from
27:35
sovereign citizens who then talked about
27:37
how my social security number was like a
27:41
debt and that and then they were gonna
27:44
die for the low low price of whatever
27:46
they were gonna sell me a kit on how to
27:47
be able to clean people’s homes and
27:49
stuff like that and I just they sort of
27:50
lost me great um so so without all of
27:53
that explain the the part about what you
27:56
were saying with taxation and whether
27:58
the average American is even legally
28:01
subject to the IRS in the first place so
28:03
I’ll try to break this down as simple as
28:06
I can it’s really difficult because as
28:07
much as I’ve been trying to understand
28:10
it for the past like 10 or 15 years it’s
28:13
taken me that long to really understand
28:14
it okay
28:15
there’s there let me start with this
28:18
there’s a couple really great books out
28:19
there one is called shattering the myths
28:21
by Dave champion and another one is
28:23
called the what is it cracking the code
28:31
by I can’t remember the name look for
28:35
cracking the code that one’s actually
28:37
out of print but you can find them on
28:38
Amazon for they’re not super cheap but
28:42
they’re both really great books they’re
28:44
there I would say most you know combined
28:48
90% accuracy some people have pointed
28:50
out some similar issues here and there
28:52
but here’s the here’s the main idea
28:57
before the 1900s there was an income tax
29:02
that was instituted twice the Supreme
29:05
Court ruled that an income tax was
29:07
unconstitutional okay
29:09
so then a lot of people will say yeah
29:12
but then they came up with a sixteenth
29:13
amendment which says they can tax income
29:14
well it says a lot of things in there it
29:16
says they can tax income without
29:18
apportionment and that was one of the
29:20
reasons that the income tax before was
29:22
ruled unconstitutional was because it
29:23
was a direct tax and it was not a
29:25
portion and it says direct taxes have to
29:27
be apportioned now I for some reason
29:30
when I read the Constitution and it says
29:32
the government is allowed to tax the
29:35
states to me that says that they’re
29:38
gonna tax the states and it says that
29:40
has to be a portion based on their
29:41
population that means a state that has a
29:43
bigger population is gonna pay a bigger
29:44
tax but that doesn’t say that they can
29:47
tax the people directly because then
29:48
it’s not a portion then it’s the same
29:50
amount per person
29:51
right right right it’s like a head tax
29:53
yeah so anyways so the sixteenth
29:59
amendment if you read it and what do
30:01
what the courts have said in in you know
30:03
and people trying to say it’s
30:04
unconstitutional is that the sixteenth
30:08
amendment gave Congress no new taxing
30:09
power and the reason is because the
30:12
income tax as it exists is an excise tax
30:16
and excise taxes don’t need to be
30:19
apportioned they just need to be taxed
30:22
on privileged exercises like exercise of
30:25
a privilege right now here’s the thing
30:27
Supreme Court’s have always said your
30:29
property is your property your money is
30:31
your property you have an inalienable
30:33
right to contract your property for
30:36
other people’s property your labor for
30:37
other people’s property your property is
30:39
Labor sorry your labor is property right
30:42
all of these things the Supreme Court
30:44
agrees with so how is it that if I work
30:46
for you and you give me money that they
30:48
can tax it and because that’s not a
30:52
privilege right that’s not a privileged
30:54
thing that we’re exercising and the
30:56
Supreme Court also says that a right
30:58
cannot be converted into a privilege
31:00
just to be taxed which means this is a
31:03
right that we have you can’t change that
31:05
and say it’s a privilege now and so what
31:07
they did is they said okay well we’re
31:08
gonna
31:09
privileged exchanges of money and to
31:13
understand what that means well if
31:14
you’re doing business with the
31:16
government that’s privileged right
31:18
because like I can do business with you
31:21
and it’s your right and my right to
31:22
decide whether or not we want to do this
31:23
but if you want to do business with the
31:25
government that’s the government’s right
31:28
to decide and the government can say
31:29
well we don’t want to do business with
31:31
you or we’ll do business with you only
31:33
if you pay a tax right right so so that
31:36
you know it’s kind of like if I do
31:37
business with you you can say well you
31:40
can only do business with me if you pay
31:42
a tax to my employer or something which
31:45
is really kind of how things work right
31:47
your profit goes there and everything
31:48
else right right so so basically that’s
31:51
what the that’s how the income tax is
31:53
built and that’s how it reads and you
31:54
start reading through these codes and
31:55
you understand when they say employee
31:57
and this is where it gets really screwed
31:58
up because you don’t have the
31:59
definitions to go by when you’re filling
32:00
out your your 1040 form right right
32:03
right says are you a US citizen well
32:05
apparently most people aren’t because
32:07
the citizen is a privileged position
32:08
this is where it gets really interesting
32:10
because there’s a difference between
32:11
citizen and a national and they have
32:14
very similar definitions but in the
32:16
context of filing your tax form you are
32:19
not a citizen you are a national and
32:20
that doesn’t mean you can’t have a u.s.
32:21
passport actually as a matter of fact I
32:24
don’t have my passport right here in
32:25
your passport it doesn’t say you’re a
32:27
citizen of the United States it says
32:29
you’re a national of the United States
32:32
okay
32:33
which is like that’s interesting right
32:35
right we have this idea about
32:37
citizenship and it’s like bigger why
32:40
where did we learn that from really
32:42
public school and so all of these
32:46
definitions are like so like like
32:48
defined by other words which are defined
32:50
by other words and so you have an
32:52
employee an employee is somebody who
32:54
works for an employer will obviously an
32:57
employer is defined as the government
33:00
state government local government
33:01
national government federal government
33:03
whatever those sorts of things so if
33:07
you’re like you hear employee and you’re
33:09
like oh yeah that’s me I’m an employee
33:11
wait for an employee right but if you
33:15
understand the definitions it’s like oh
33:17
that’s that’s not right and so we were
33:21
tricked into the system but
33:22
any job you go for they make you fill
33:25
out a w-4 form right mm-hmm
33:27
and I’ve tried this before I said you
33:30
know hey I’m I’m not a US person which
33:33
it asks if you’re a US person why
33:35
doesn’t it say are you US citizen why
33:37
does it say US person why I said what’s
33:39
the difference here right and it asks
33:43
all these really confusing questions
33:44
with confusing language where if you
33:46
don’t think about it you’re just like
33:48
yeah okay yeah I’m a person and think
33:49
about it right what why why are they
33:52
using these funny words and if you try
33:55
to not fill that out well your
33:57
employer’s more scared of the IRS than
33:59
they are of you who technically doesn’t
34:01
work for them yet right oh they’re gonna
34:03
go by the IRS lead now how do we get to
34:05
this system apparently when when the
34:08
income tax was passed 1913 they
34:10
basically said okay yeah we’re gonna tax
34:11
the and you can you can go back and look
34:13
how many people were paying the income
34:14
tax in 1913 1914 1920 not a whole lot
34:18
right world war two came along and the
34:21
government was like oh we need we need
34:22
we need a was a guns and butter right
34:25
right we might we need everything right
34:27
so the government started investing in
34:30
the the you know the production of tanks
34:32
and bombs and guns and and cars and
34:35
everything like everything else right we
34:36
need to boom our economy we need all
34:37
this stuff
34:38
and so that was federal money so now all
34:40
the companies that were receiving that
34:42
federal money now had to give those
34:44
forms to their employees and everybody
34:46
was up with this because they were like
34:47
oh yeah we’re going to war we’re
34:49
attacked were being attacked by other
34:51
countries we have to kill the Nazis yeah
34:53
right right yeah yeah yeah so um so so
34:57
we got into this habit of filling out
34:59
this form and then a few years later
35:00
when the war is over we’re still in that
35:02
habit and the government’s like yeah
35:03
just keep filling it out and so we did
35:05
and 60 years later pretty much everybody
35:08
who’s paying taxes now has been born
35:10
into that system and we’re just like
35:12
well that’s the way it always has been
35:14
what do you mean this is a lie what do
35:16
you mean this is a scam it doesn’t make
35:17
any sense my parents have always paid
35:19
taxes and so like we’ve been we’ve been
35:23
bamboozled into the system and so you
35:27
know a lot of people are like oh so well
35:28
so I don’t want to pay and that’s the
35:29
first place everybody jumps to and I
35:31
don’t want to tell everybody you know to
35:32
do that because it is a really
35:33
complicated system and if you do
35:35
something a little bit wrong
35:36
the IRS is prepared to just rain terror
35:40
down on destroy your life right right
35:42
yeah and just to be clear just let me
35:44
stop you just be clear on both my show
35:46
and dance show because this is both of
35:48
our show at the same time we here at
35:52
muddy waters media and at dan taxation
35:54
is theft enterprises or whatever it’s
35:57
called our would net are not advocating
36:00
for you or at least I’m not advocating
36:01
for you to ever break the law because
36:03
breaking the law is illegal and illegal
36:06
things are against the law we don’t we
36:08
don’t advocate for that but so so right
36:10
yeah so so but so there are people who
36:13
are like of like successfully fighting
36:17
this and saying I don’t pay taxes and
36:19
they’re winning in court
36:20
yep well that’s that’s the trick right
36:24
so a lot of people say well I haven’t
36:26
found a single court case where
36:27
somebody’s somebody’s one and it’s very
36:31
rare but I’ll tell you this Joe banister
36:34
who’s in is an ex-employee of the IRS
36:38
he’s he was a special investigator he
36:42
was very high up there he heard about
36:44
this in the in the 90s I believe and he
36:46
approached his employer and his employer
36:48
said keep your mouth shut or quit so he
36:50
quit and he went on to spread this
36:53
information he’s been sued I don’t know
36:55
a dozen times by the IRS and he’s beaten
36:57
most of them so so yes there are people
37:00
successfully doing this the thing with
37:02
the court cases is I’ll use the let me
37:07
let me do this I’ll use the traffic
37:09
courts right okay you will not find a
37:13
single case of a person going into a
37:15
traffic court and winning because they
37:20
said they don’t want to pay the ticket
37:22
and they’re just not gonna pay it right
37:24
you’ll never you’ll never find that it’s
37:26
not in a court but I can tell you
37:28
personally I haven’t had a driver’s
37:30
license in 12 or so years and I have not
37:35
I’ve received traffic tickets and
37:37
parking tickets and I have not paid a
37:39
single one of them but there’s no court
37:41
record of any of it
37:42
why because it never made it to court
37:44
and so the thing with the IRS is if you
37:47
never make the court there’s no court
37:48
record saying you won and they
37:50
don’t take cases to court that you know
37:52
because here’s the thing let’s say just
37:55
let’s say you don’t believe me right but
37:57
just go with me here right let’s say
37:58
there is some big conspiracy right
38:02
hypothetically this is just a big
38:03
conspiracy mm-hmm if the IRS wanted to
38:07
make sure that people didn’t find out
38:09
about this lie wouldn’t they just say oh
38:11
that guy knows about the lie let’s not
38:13
take him to court because he could
38:14
expose it on record in courts let’s skip
38:18
that guy and let’s go to the guy who’s
38:20
just pissed off and just doesn’t want to
38:22
pay less he makes okay so let’s make
38:24
examples out of the people that aren’t
38:26
doing it right and are just going I’m
38:27
not paying that and then they get
38:29
screwed up in court as opposed to people
38:30
that successfully argue or it would be
38:33
able to successfully argue in court that
38:36
they’re not a US citizen or US person or
38:38
whatever in that day there’s no need for
38:40
them to have to pay any of this right
38:42
and that’s actually one of the flaws
38:43
right they’re just saying you’re not a
38:44
US person or like that doesn’t even work
38:47
they consider that a frivolous argument
38:48
and one of the reasons is because they
38:50
have the paperwork that you already
38:52
signed that basically says you are so
38:54
it’s it is really tricky and it’s you
38:57
know it’s not like you can like I mean
38:58
they have all these frivolous arguments
39:00
that don’t work you know saying my
39:02
income is not taxable or you know all
39:04
these things and so so it is a tricky
39:08
system but what I do want to say is
39:10
knowing people that have done this and
39:12
on the path to excite and here’s another
39:14
thing I do want to tell people my
39:17
success story with it but I’m not at the
39:20
end of it yet okay I’m so so hopefully
39:22
sometime next year I’ll have a great
39:24
story for you but the idea is you know
39:31
when NASA first shot people into space
39:33
right how many people died on exploding
39:35
Rockets because they you know they
39:37
thought they had all these engineers
39:39
these brilliant people who were gonna
39:41
shoot a rocket up into space and they
39:42
were gonna get these people up there and
39:44
people died right what happened and now
39:47
there’s a space station with people on
39:49
it unless you believe in you know the
39:51
conspiracy that none of that exists
39:53
there’s people in space and but it’s
39:56
like the laws of physics didn’t change
39:57
they didn’t repeal the the rocket
40:01
exploding Act of nineteen
40:04
73 right so but what changed
40:08
they got smarter on their approach they
40:10
learned to understand the laws of
40:12
physics better and the the machines that
40:13
they were creating and so in the same
40:16
way the tax protester movement has come
40:18
across that that same journey like there
40:21
are there are many people who have gone
40:23
to jail trying to fight this and
40:24
figuring out all the right ways to fight
40:27
it right and you know some of them Irwin
40:29
Schiff was a big one and you know a lot
40:31
of a lot of information that he had was
40:33
wrong but at the time he was the pioneer
40:35
he was on the front line learning
40:38
everything because you know you have to
40:39
go back 1913 they didn’t have the
40:42
internet they didn’t have computers
40:43
where you could like search through a
40:45
hundred thousand pages of tax code and
40:47
find out well what is the definition of
40:48
this main right exam yeah so it’s it’s
40:53
you know technology has helped us along
40:56
this journey and it’s it’s we’re smarter
40:59
now right now let’s be clear the rocket
41:02
exploding Act of 1973 was terrible
41:04
legislation and I think we can all thank
41:06
God that that’s gone um yeah but so that
41:10
you threw out a lot of names there and a
41:12
lot of different books and things let’s
41:15
just go over those again if people
41:16
wanted to hear more about this about not
41:19
just the taxation is theft but that it’s
41:21
actually illegal and that they could
41:22
potentially fight it if they choose
41:25
we’re not advocating one way or the
41:26
other we’re just saying they could
41:27
choose what would be some names and
41:30
books and so forth that they should
41:32
google to find out more about that okay
41:35
so there’s there’s two books well let me
41:39
give you three books okay I’ll start
41:41
with the most recent and probably the
41:43
most accurate and that would be
41:47
shattering the myths by dave champion
41:54
okay the second will be cracking the
41:57
code by Peter Hendrickson okay and the
42:00
third and this one’s definitely outdated
42:02
but it’s really a classical like if you
42:05
can get your hands on it
42:06
get it cuz it’s probably gonna be worth
42:08
a million dollars one day okay
42:10
Irwin shifts the federal mafia very good
42:15
so those would be the three that you
42:16
would that you would start on
42:18
yeah very cool so we have a couple uh
42:21
question or comic Uppal follower
42:23
comments one asked a question that I was
42:26
already gonna ask you so I’ll ask that
42:28
later but bass over on YouTube asked can
42:32
a libertarian government protect its
42:34
people and sovereignty from Florent
42:36
foreign influence with the military have
42:39
to set up a GoFundMe I’m not sure if he
42:41
means foreign influences in like an
42:43
invasion but let’s assume that so you
42:45
know how would for example I guess
42:48
National Defense for lack of a better
42:49
word be set up in a in a voluntary
42:51
payment system right so this is
42:56
something that we have to rethink and
42:58
like yes I mean I’m trying to think of
43:03
an example you know going to going back
43:06
and forth between the u.s. in Mexico
43:07
I see things done completely different I
43:09
see things done in ways that I never
43:11
would have imagined in the United States
43:14
and and that’s just because we’re in the
43:17
United States we feast we see things
43:19
done a certain way that’s the only way
43:21
we know but when we take our heads out
43:23
of that that bubble that we’re in right
43:26
we can see things being done in a
43:29
completely different ways so now the
43:31
question is how do we get a military do
43:34
we do gofundme well that still depends
43:37
on the belief that we’re still gonna
43:39
have some central government some
43:41
central authority that all the soldiers
43:43
are going to work directly underneath
43:45
you’re gonna have your your generals
43:47
your four-star generals three-star
43:49
generals all the way down to you know
43:52
your your officers that always works
43:56
directly underneath you’re gonna have
43:58
your your jet sorry oh go ahead i I
44:01
thought I heard myself talking about you
44:03
did you did and the shrooms kicked in
44:06
yeah the ketamine yeah go ahead sorry so
44:11
so that’s under that same belief right
44:14
and it really doesn’t have to be that
44:16
way and then and then the question is
44:17
okay well how do you get the money to
44:19
the top so it can trickle down to all of
44:21
the employees that’s not really how it
44:23
work and if you look at how I mean how
44:27
did it work before and read the
44:29
Constitution it talks about a volunteer
44:31
militia it says well-regulated which a
44:33
lot of people think means the government
44:34
means to control every aspect of it but
44:36
that’s that’s not even what regulated
44:38
means or run it back then right but you
44:41
have this idea of a volunteer militia
44:44
and what’s really important about that
44:47
and understanding what that is and I
44:50
mean look at look at Switzerland right
44:52
that’s kind of an example where it has
44:54
work and there are many other countries
44:55
where that has worked the idea of this
44:58
is if you are as an individual part of a
45:02
militia that is completely volunteer
45:04
you’re not they’re following orders
45:06
so if somebody wants to invade the
45:07
United States you get together and say
45:10
hey we’re gonna make sure that doesn’t
45:11
happen
45:12
that’s why Japan never invaded during
45:14
you know they never attacked mainland
45:16
United States because they said there
45:17
would be a gun behind every blade of
45:19
every blade of grass right right and you
45:23
know so that’s a legitimate fear for
45:26
anybody trying to invade but of course
45:27
if we take our guns away then we don’t
45:28
have that that is that is a legitimate
45:31
defense system and it doesn’t require
45:32
doing a gofundme or anything it just
45:34
requires that everybody be armed to
45:37
protect themselves whether it’s from
45:39
their neighbor or from an invasion and
45:41
when that happens you and and what’s
45:45
really great about this is this prevents
45:47
the situations where you have like what
45:49
we have now where you’ve got this
45:50
military that’s just like well who are
45:53
we gonna bomb today we got all these
45:54
planes and everything sitting around we
45:56
just let him sit there and rest we gotta
45:57
go drop some bombs yeah yeah that
46:00
doesn’t happen with a volunteer militia
46:01
right so I think there’s a there’s a lot
46:04
of benefits and now how would every
46:05
single little aspect of everything work
46:07
out I don’t know I can’t tell you but
46:10
that’s that’s the concept of of freedom
46:13
which is you know we’re not trying to
46:16
predict the future and say this is the
46:17
way it must be
46:18
let’s make it happen because that always
46:20
fails what it does is it says it says
46:23
look we understand that there are
46:24
credible threats around the world let’s
46:27
figure out how to deal with them
46:29
and the best ideas will rise to the top
46:31
and the people who are willing to defend
46:33
this country will stand up and defend
46:36
this country right and I mean so to me
46:38
and I agree with what you just said to
46:40
me the the question of you know without
46:43
you know taxation or without
46:45
vermin who would defend us from foreign
46:47
invasion is in in some ways it’s sort of
46:50
like asking who’s going to protect
46:51
Amazon from Macy’s like if a if a or
46:56
who’s gonna protect you know uber from
46:58
you know a guy on a rickshaw or
47:01
something like that like if the people
47:03
in the what used to be the most powerful
47:07
government on earth the people that live
47:10
where that used to be have demonstrated
47:12
that you know they’re not going to
47:14
tolerate even domestic governance what
47:17
foreign body would want to try to invade
47:20
them and stop that and an even bigger
47:22
question is if we’ve demonstrated that
47:24
in what used to be the largest and most
47:26
powerful government on earth that we
47:28
don’t need it and that freedom and and
47:31
and and and whether it’s Anarchy or a
47:34
voluntary based government or whatever
47:36
that freedom and liberty actually works
47:38
what is going to protect all of those
47:40
old statist governments from their own
47:42
citizens demanding the same thing and
47:44
hiring you know liberation firms from
47:47
the you know what the former us to you
47:50
know liberate them from their status
47:52
depressor so III think I think if you’re
47:54
when you’re talking about that big of a
47:55
paradigm shift the questions completely
47:57
change and I think you started started
47:59
off by saying we need to be thinking
48:01
about this completely differently
48:02
because the idea of all who’s I was
48:04
gonna stop China from invading us would
48:06
be more like who’s gonna stop the
48:08
Chinese government from being trampled
48:09
by the 1.4 billion people that they’re
48:12
enslaving when they can see that it they
48:14
don’t actually need government or don’t
48:16
need an oppressive taxing government to
48:19
have a society Dan who’s more Jewish
48:22
between weren’t you or me would you say
48:25
it’s probably gonna be you I’m I’m
48:28
really bad at it are you a bad Jew yeah
48:30
that’s not like a kippah to you it’s no
48:35
I mean I’m I’m definitely not eating
48:38
kosher no but you do have a giant what
48:41
we could call a kippa on your head oh
48:43
yeah well you know what okay that’s um
48:47
sorry you you threw me off there cuz I I
48:49
pronounce it keepa oh sorry or keep ah
48:52
but because you’re because you might be
48:55
more Jewish than me oh really okay
48:59
well so yeah I was thinking this the
49:01
other day you know cause uh you know
49:04
there’s this issue with the hat that a
49:06
lot of libertarians don’t like it and
49:07
I’m like hey you know this really could
49:09
be considered religious head wear what’s
49:13
interesting is I so I used to work for
49:15
the Kabbalah Center Wow as a video
49:17
editor and so I got to like sit through
49:20
a lot of the classes and and edit them
49:23
and it was actually really interesting
49:24
because they gave me the story of the
49:26
key pot which is and now there’s they’re
49:31
not necessarily Jewish and their
49:32
interpretation is is slightly different
49:35
in some aspects I think sorry but their
49:37
interpretation right that you know we
49:40
are we are beings of energy and we
49:42
receive light from the Sun right or from
49:46
the Creator however you want to
49:48
interpret that and that comes down and
49:50
that was supposed to be a basically a
49:53
receptor of this light so that we could
49:56
become you know lit beings and that that
50:01
this idea is like now we’re gonna share
50:03
the light with other people were gonna
50:04
be good people we’re gonna we’re gonna
50:06
be good to others we’re gonna solve the
50:07
world’s problems
50:08
I probably added that last part but you
50:12
know in that way like solve the world’s
50:13
problems but like in our communities
50:15
we’re gonna grow to help people out and
50:16
be good people and I just have this huge
50:21
satellite dish basically receiving lots
50:24
of extra light because I’m trying to
50:25
change a much bigger world and solve
50:28
much bigger problems that could be
50:29
argued that you should be argued so if I
50:34
had had the time to think of that or if
50:36
you had mentioned it beforehand when for
50:39
example the South Carolina Libertarian
50:40
Party which would not do that now by the
50:43
way under the new leadership they would
50:45
not have given you a hard time about the
50:47
Hat but under the previous regime when
50:50
they told you that you could that there
50:51
was no what a novelty had where I think
50:54
they called it I would have loved for
50:56
either you or vermin supreme or both of
50:59
you to argue that this was religious
51:02
headwear and that and you was a Jew I
51:05
mean you could have said this is a
51:06
yarmulke prove me wrong prove me prove
51:09
that this is not a yarmulke and now you
51:12
know
51:12
face the backlash in the front lash of
51:15
the of the Jewish community being told
51:18
that they can’t can’t wear religious
51:20
head where I would have actually loved
51:22
that I mean I’ve got a friend who’s got
51:24
his photo with a colander on his head on
51:28
his driver’s license oh is he a
51:29
Pastafarian yeah nice and he’s and it’s
51:34
actually and it has actually as a matter
51:36
of fact he has a little piece of tape
51:38
like like masking tape route with
51:41
Taxation after written on it so um yeah
51:45
that’s actually really cool so speaking
51:48
of the debate in the convention you were
51:50
of course at the South Carolina
51:52
libertarian party debate how angry were
51:55
you that the microscopic drone that the
51:57
government has following Adam Co cash
51:58
kept messing up the microphones I mean
52:03
technically it was a good thing for me
52:04
but gave you time yeah no you know
52:09
really like you know I I like Adam I
52:12
like a lot of the other candidates we’re
52:14
you know as much as you see these other
52:18
debates between Republicans or Democrats
52:19
and they’re all like you know trying to
52:21
call each other liars and frauds and
52:23
everything well we’re not liars and
52:25
frauds which might be one of the reasons
52:26
we’re not calling each other out on it
52:27
but we’re actually I think you know
52:30
we’re willing to work together to
52:33
achieve the goal that we need to get
52:35
more people into the Libertarian Party
52:37
and I think that’s what’s really great
52:38
about what we’re doing as much crap as
52:41
everybody talks about us from my hat
52:42
vermin’s hat
52:43
you know everybody’s like history of
52:46
saying abrasive things on the internet
52:48
and and you know whatever whatever they
52:51
have to throw at us right we make a
52:53
great team and what I’d like to see is
52:57
once I get the nomination is I would
53:00
like to have a lot of those people on my
53:01
team to help me keep pushing the
53:03
campaign forward because it’s I mean
53:04
I’ve always hated this you know you go
53:06
into like the the Texas gubernatorial
53:08
race in 20
53:11
what was that twenty eighteen or twenty
53:13
sixteen twenty has some really great
53:15
candidates I think it’s 20 18 and I’m
53:18
like I can’t pick just one why can’t
53:20
they run as a team why can’t they work
53:22
together and I think that could happen
53:24
with some of the candidates that we have
53:26
today in the in a libertarian POTUS race
53:28
well and even I mean with very minor I
53:34
guess um so we’re I’m looking for
53:37
exceptions most of the candidates are
53:40
very nice to each other and very
53:42
complementary to each other I mean even
53:44
when there’s disagreement it’s on the
53:46
actual policy as opposed to like you’re
53:48
a bad person or Europe you know a liar
53:51
or you you know hate America or whatever
53:53
like it’s it’s very even even though
53:56
even in in the cases of like for example
53:58
you versus say a Ken Armstrong even
54:01
though there’s vast differences in in in
54:03
in in policy there you both seem to at
54:09
least want to move in the same direction
54:10
maybe not as far but you want to go in
54:13
the same direction at least for now
54:14
and you’re also complementary towards
54:16
each other and understanding that you’re
54:18
on the same team so that’s been that’s
54:19
been really cool and kind of refreshing
54:21
from for example the Republican or
54:23
Democrat debates where there’s almost no
54:25
difference between them and they argue
54:27
with each other like you know it’s me or
54:30
all these other terrible scumbags who
54:32
are the worst possible choice for
54:34
America but also if they win I’m gonna
54:35
immediately endorse them right yeah yeah
54:40
pretty much yeah so this is as good a
54:43
time as any for me to do my my little my
54:47
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dan I up until now I’ve been nice but
55:51
now it gets ugly I mean with the hard
55:52
ones oh yeah no it’s gonna get ugly now
55:54
I’m actually gonna get a shift into a
55:57
ugly stance dan I’m gonna be frank with
56:02
you one of your campaign promises is to
56:03
legalize pineapple pizza legalization of
56:08
course means taxation and regulation did
56:11
you really mean decriminalize pineapple
56:14
pizza or do you really want my 85 year
56:16
old grandmother to be arrested and put
56:18
in a cage for letting her pineapple
56:20
pizza license expire well I mean that is
56:25
a tough call we really can’t have
56:26
anybody with expired pineapple pizza
56:28
licenses no absolutely this is this is
56:32
you know anything should be
56:34
decriminalized it should be removed from
56:36
the DA’s list of schedule one narcotics
56:40
it’s yeah it’s I mean it’s it’s really
56:44
what’s interesting about that platform
56:46
is I started it kind of as a joke and
56:49
then I found out that the king of
56:51
Iceland excuse me Prime Minister of
56:54
isolated to ban it oh so you had that
56:57
before that yeah oh because I I love
57:02
pineapple pizza I’m a I’m a bit of a
57:05
junkie a sorry connoisseur and yes so so
57:10
that was my thing and I saw like you
57:11
know people fighting over it but I also
57:12
thought it was a great analogy for the
57:15
drug war right nobody has the right to
57:17
tell you what you can or can’t put in
57:18
your own body and I may not agree with
57:19
what you put on your pizza but I will
57:21
defend to the death your right to eat it
57:23
so that was actually I assumed that you
57:28
did that as sort of a like a
57:30
counterpoint or leveraging off of that
57:33
whole argument that was started by and I
57:35
think you’re I think it was the prime
57:36
minister of Iceland something some
57:37
politician in Iceland right who said
57:39
that you know jokingly that pineapple
57:41
pizza
57:41
maybe it wasn’t jokingly they tend to
57:44
ban stuff over there said it was
57:46
jokingly in his apology so I don’t know
57:48
well maybe maybe there was just too much
57:51
backlash on it but it’s jokingly
57:53
or not he said that that pineapple pizza
57:55
should be banned I assume that you
57:58
started’ that on that but you actually
57:59
did that before all of that right sort
58:01
of using it was also before the
58:03
Department of Homeland Security put out
58:04
the press release saying the Russians
58:07
are going to invade our social media and
58:09
get us to fight over whether or not
58:12
pineapple belongs on pizza they really
58:14
said that they really said that if you
58:17
go to legalized pineapple pizza org I
58:19
didn’t give you that one for your show
58:20
knows so much and that’s your fault
58:23
legalized pineapple pizza org and scroll
58:26
down you can actually get a link to the
58:27
actual document the Department of
58:30
Homeland Security put out saying that
58:34
the the beware of Russian pineapple
58:36
pizza I’m putting this in the show
58:39
legalized pineapple pizza org right
58:41
yeah okay so they literally wasted
58:44
taxpayer money to tell people that the
58:47
Russians were gonna have them arguing I
58:49
wonder do you think the Russians started
58:51
the whole Popeyes versus chick-fil-a
58:53
thing because that feels very Russian I
58:57
well I guess I was rushing to get mine
58:59
hahaha hold on I got one here say it
59:02
again well I was rushing to get mine so
59:10
that’s good so I wanted to ask you about
59:12
I noticed so you are involved with the
59:16
students for liberty of Uganda and I
59:20
it’s interesting because I just spoken
59:21
with I don’t know if you know Mike
59:23
avi who works in in the college
59:28
recruitment for students for liberty and
59:29
he was talking about their their
59:32
presence in Uganda specifically and in
59:34
other places in Africa some of us may
59:37
know about their anti LGBT anti-gay laws
59:40
but I think very few of us really
59:42
understand the state of how bad things
59:44
are there from many perspectives but
59:46
especially from the you know freedom of
59:48
expression and Liberty perspective tell
59:50
us about that and also tell us about how
59:52
you’re helping them over there with the
59:55
SFL Uganda so that was that was
59:59
interesting because there was while I
60:01
was there somebody asked the question
60:04
I’m trying to remember what word they
60:06
used
60:07
they were they were talking about gay
60:10
people mm-hmm and what did they call
60:15
stubborn
60:16
they called them stubborn right because
60:18
that’s like that’s like the euphemism
60:19
for that right so what do we do with all
60:22
these with all these stubborn people if
60:24
we don’t have government and that was
60:27
really interesting to see but I in in
60:29
the room that I was in there really
60:31
weren’t a whole lot of people who were
60:33
concerned about that there was there
60:35
were a lot of people who were very
60:38
concerned with freedom very anti-tax
60:41
some people were you know kind of on the
60:43
fence but I don’t think there were
60:44
really any of those abrasive type people
60:48
now there was a there was a video that I
60:52
saw I don’t remember it somewhere around
60:53
Africa which I know is a huge continent
60:56
but it was and I think it was like a
60:58
Natasha 2.0 show where they were talking
60:59
about how bad gay people are right and
61:02
what they to do and I’m not gonna get
61:06
into it but it is it was like it was
61:07
pretty gross but he was propaganda right
61:10
and I’m like watching that you can look
61:13
it up I don’t know if it’s know I know
61:14
what you’re talking about where he’s
61:15
like graphically describing with like
61:18
kids present like all these terrible
61:19
things that like believe which no one
61:21
does like yeah maybe 1% of that’d be
61:25
probably it was like it was like they
61:27
they eat the poopoo yeah yeah yeah yeah
61:29
yeah they eat the poopoo like no one’s
61:31
doing it was it yeah I yeah and but and
61:36
there is that and but it’s like fear
61:38
fear mongering and propaganda and it’s
61:41
and I’m sure you know I’m sure he didn’t
61:44
actually see somebody do that probably
61:46
heard it from somebody else like kids on
61:48
a playground right and they start
61:50
spreading rumors and and how terrible
61:51
people are and and you know I mean if
61:54
that’s what they’re doing anyway I mean
61:56
the worst you should do is is stand a
61:58
few feet back so you don’t smell their
62:00
breath but yeah like who really cares
62:04
and I think like in that group they’re
62:06
you know they’re they’re doing really
62:07
great work and they’re they’re there’s
62:10
so many organizations is it’s really
62:12
hard to identify who’s where but I mean
62:15
they’re spreading all across the African
62:17
continent just at the at the event that
62:20
I went to
62:21
there were people from from Nigeria and
62:25
Congo and you know all kinds of other
62:30
countries around there I was I I kind of
62:33
want to say Somalia but I don’t think I
62:35
met anybody from Somalia I was looking
62:36
for somebody from Somalia so I kid I
62:39
want to go and visit what is in there
62:42
all the real libertarians already live
62:43
in Somalia so that’s probably why they
62:46
don’t need it because it’s already
62:47
perfect liberty there I’m told right and
62:50
I actually read this this book in
62:52
defense of chaos which had some really
62:55
interesting points about Somalia and
62:58
basically said once the government was
63:00
gone that like yeah that I mean the
63:03
country is still kind of you know not
63:05
the greatest place to live but since the
63:07
government left like everything has
63:10
gotten so much better they have like
63:12
they they have like a dozen airlines
63:13
that are running flights out of that
63:15
country like to other countries that
63:17
like couldn’t exist before because of
63:18
government regulation there’s
63:20
competition there’s infrastructure
63:21
there’s high-speed cellphones like all
63:23
those crazy stuffs popping up and I I
63:27
went on Google Maps just to like because
63:29
they’ve got like every hotel in the
63:30
world on there you know and I started
63:31
looking at hotels around there is pretty
63:33
nice places so and roads and roads
63:36
somehow miracle of miracles they were
63:39
able to to work that out so you might
63:41
you know legalize poopoo pizza could
63:44
actually be your next could be your next
63:46
thing they could be like a pro-lgbt
63:48
probably not so we got some more
63:51
comments
63:53
Jacob LaBelle one of our top superfan
63:55
Jacob LaBelle is not happy pineapple
63:58
pizza is a crime against humanity I was
64:00
gonna vote for him
64:01
Kim ruff it is then so he does lovely
64:05
Ugandan zou so that’s good
64:06
Tom Arnold is glad to see that I’ve
64:08
gotten out of bed thank you he also says
64:12
Idi Amin was fabulous which sure I I
64:15
mean I guess so he’s kind of like the
64:19
African dictator version of Liberace
64:21
right right yeah it’s it’s I mean look
64:25
here’s it like you know they’ve got
64:28
their history out there and it’s really
64:29
interesting to see that you know you go
64:31
to a country where a lot of people are
64:33
starving and real
64:34
don’t have much to live on right and you
64:37
know we were at this university and you
64:39
could literally look out into the hills
64:40
and there is just like miles and miles
64:44
and miles of land you know with lots of
64:47
green grass which means is getting
64:48
plenty of rainfall why aren’t people out
64:50
there homesteading collecting rainwater
64:53
and doing all this other stuff well
64:54
because that’s government protected land
64:56
I can assure you right um
64:58
it’s you know government is the reason
65:00
people are poor people are starved
65:03
people are homeless it’s always
65:05
government there’s like there’s there’s
65:07
so many ways that we can survive on
65:10
natural resources but they have taken
65:12
that away from us and said oh no it’s so
65:14
only for the people that are gonna give
65:15
me riches and make me live like a king
65:17
as your ruler right oh yeah it’s yeah
65:21
yeah no exactly now of course we did a
65:24
red carpet interview together was I as
65:28
impressive in person as I am right now I
65:34
don’t know how to answer that question
65:36
because if I say if I say you lose
65:41
either way though you lose you lose
65:42
okay really yes equally impressive you
65:44
know there that also makes you lose you
65:46
lose either way but so just be honest
65:48
because you’re gonna lose you’ve already
65:49
lost what right now
65:52
you’re like this is better or like when
65:56
I was so what guys I didn’t want to
65:58
answer so cuz nobody there I’d either
66:00
have to say you were worse in person or
66:02
worse on the internet and oh so I lose
66:04
either way yes okay so that’s even
66:07
better so got equal it’s all good right
66:10
I guess so so guys when I say red carpet
66:12
interview we were on a it was actually a
66:15
34 by 26 square of kitchen mat but it
66:21
was red and we were really close yeah
66:24
it’s about that big yeah and we were we
66:26
were touching toes it was intense it was
66:29
really nice I really enjoyed that now
66:31
your hat I’ve had so I always ask my
66:36
followers you know before I have someone
66:37
on to ask you know me questions for my
66:40
guests and all answer
66:42
half of them were various variations of
66:46
what’s up with your hat
66:48
tell us the story about your hat why do
66:51
you wear the hat why does it say
66:53
taxation is theft as opposed to that I
66:56
guess something else we’ve talked about
66:59
it being a potential religious thing but
67:02
how did the hat come about and would you
67:04
tell us the story about that I could
67:06
write a book on that okay um maybe I
67:09
should you should me libertarianism in
67:12
my hat I hat I had there we go so let’s
67:18
see this story behind it okay um I had
67:23
gone through my evolutionary history of
67:25
Democrat Republican Ron Paul Tea Party
67:27
yes I was not happy came to the
67:29
libertarians gary johnson our savior yes
67:33
2012 i supported him and voted for him
67:35
2016 came along i was working on the
67:37
john mcafee campaign but i still decided
67:40
no matter who wins i will support them
67:43
out of these candidates because i like
67:45
all those candidates i don’t think there
67:48
was anybody i didn’t like in 2016 if
67:50
there was i forgot about him
67:52
gary johnson i met him several times
67:55
along the campaign trail he came to
67:56
Texas I saw him in in Orlando and I’d
68:01
met him a couple times before and I was
68:03
like okay this guy’s cool I like him
68:05
right but I had this impression that he
68:10
wasn’t really all taxation is theft
68:11
which was one of the reasons I came to
68:13
the libertarian party because I had my
68:15
fights with the IRS before right and I
68:18
knew that that was theft and I saw the
68:19
damage they’ve done they made people
68:20
homeless they destroyed lives they
68:21
destroy his businesses oh yeah I hate it
68:23
the IRS taxation was that you know he
68:26
didn’t believe that he wanted the fair
68:27
tax now I was like okay maybe I can’t
68:30
figure out a better solution than that
68:33
at this point this is back in 2016 if
68:36
that’s all he’s got okay I’m not okay
68:40
with it but I’ll still support him
68:42
because he’s better than Democrats and
68:43
Republicans and so he got he got the
68:48
nomination he went up on stage he made
68:50
his victory speech we’re gonna do this
68:52
we’re gonna do that we’re gonna do this
68:54
we’re gonna do that and taxation is
68:55
theft and I was like at that moment just
69:00
crushed because one
69:02
mcafee loss and that was a campaign I
69:03
was working on right but also now he’s
69:07
pandering yeah because he did not
69:09
believe that taxation is theft like if
69:12
he would have said taxation is theft
69:14
sometimes that would have been okay
69:17
right like that wouldn’t have like just
69:20
came out as like oh he’s a panderer he’s
69:23
a liar whatever so I was like I can’t I
69:27
can’t support this guy and I was just in
69:30
this zone I was I was mad I was
69:32
depressed I was angry I don’t know I was
69:34
going around I was going around the
69:35
entire convention he’s taxation theft is
69:37
taxation and theft everybody I was
69:39
asking and half the people it was really
69:44
about 50/50 split half the people said
69:46
yes taxation is theft hell yeah hell
69:48
yeah high five right right and then the
69:51
other half I shit you not I don’t know
69:53
what club they go to where they learn to
69:55
talk the same is taxation theft well it
70:01
always started out like that I don’t
70:03
know why that was so weird is the
70:04
weirdest thing right and then they gave
70:05
some excuse well well most of the times
70:07
it is but not always and you know things
70:09
like this and I was like half of the
70:11
libertarian party did I say the
70:13
libertarian libertarian party well maybe
70:15
they’re the libertarians maybe they went
70:17
to the wrong convention they were
70:18
waiting for the liver to come out and
70:20
then instead they’re sunny some guide
70:22
some tall guy coming up to Miss
70:24
taxations Heather I don’t know where’s
70:25
the liver right yeah nobody likes liver
70:28
so that would make sense yes so so I was
70:33
like something needs to be done about
70:34
this and so the next convention came
70:37
around 2018 in New Orleans and I at this
70:42
point I already had my tech state
70:43
taxation is theft store up online
70:45
selling merch and started doing the
70:47
podcast or some other kind of like
70:48
promotional videos and I got a table I
70:52
rented a table from from the convention
70:55
and everything taxation is theft I had
70:57
yard signs t-shirts I had a wall of like
71:01
handwritten notes that people could come
71:03
up and and write people’s names and it
71:06
was like the caption was like these
71:07
people’s lives have been destroyed by
71:09
the government right and it was like a
71:11
wall of just like you know all these
71:14
people some
71:15
famous some not some some had family
71:17
members who you know just had everything
71:20
taken from them assaulted by the police
71:22
sitting in prison for unjust reasons
71:24
yeah anyways all kinds of tax taxation
71:26
is theft everything we had an 8 by 10
71:28
foot backdrop we had a yellow carpet it
71:31
was like a 10 foot long roll of yellow
71:33
carpet for photos and and I was like I
71:38
need to really top this off with
71:39
something what can I do
71:41
so I found a biggest yellowest brightest
71:44
hat I can find okay it’s like a big
71:47
yellow taxation stuff sticker on it
71:48
actually two of them at the convention
71:50
but uh it’s just it’s just so hard to
71:52
keep this thing maintained no I can tell
71:57
I mean there’s it’s that was one of the
72:00
first things I thought was I’m like okay
72:01
so this isn’t just a hat like it’s it’s
72:06
massive and and guys so and this was a
72:09
so I I wish I had the video a little
72:10
bigger in person right it is way bigger
72:12
cuz you’re tall so I assume I’m looking
72:14
at your pictures and you always are you
72:16
have it we’re like how you have it right
72:18
now where you can actually see it where
72:20
you can see the entire hat and so that
72:22
makes you look short right and that
72:24
makes you look shorter so then I meet
72:26
you
72:26
and you’re like what like 6-1 6-2
72:28
something like that yeah yeah and so and
72:31
then the end then the hat and so you
72:34
know there’s like 7 feet so I mean say
72:35
it is a gigantic he’s a large man this
72:38
hat is huge so like there’s special care
72:41
is that a carry-on like how do you
72:43
transport with that it’s you know I
72:46
break the airline rules all the time
72:47
when I do travel with a carry-on and my
72:50
personal item which is my backpack this
72:51
is my second personal item
72:53
oh it’s carry it but yeah I carry it
72:57
sometimes I put it in a bag I have a bag
73:00
that it fits and like I just fold these
73:01
up on the side and then like I put like
73:03
you know stuff inside outside whatever
73:05
to protect it but and sometimes I just
73:07
wear it actually I have a video of me
73:08
wearing it going through the the
73:11
boarding process cuz that disturbed me
73:13
and I was like ooh I got my body cam I’m
73:17
at this place again yeah I got to record
73:18
this there’s this process they have at
73:20
the airports where you don’t show them
73:22
your ticket anymore you look into a
73:24
camera and it recognizes you and I have
73:26
no idea what database they’re using
73:28
that’s scary
73:29
yeah because I’ll just say Delta because
73:34
I don’t know if that’s their thing or or
73:36
you know if other lines I haven’t seen
73:37
another airline use it but I don’t know
73:39
where Delta got my picture to match it
73:41
right where did they even get a good
73:43
enough picture of you for biometric
73:44
purposes because that’s not a regular
73:46
picture yeah and when I was wearing the
73:50
Hat when I took the picture so on top of
73:52
that it’s like it’s is creepy so unless
73:56
you’re wearing that hat NSA is not gonna
73:58
be able to take it out they’re like we
74:00
don’t know who this guy is what the hell
74:01
is this he doesn’t have a massive yellow
74:04
mass on the top of his head that is fine
74:06
so when we did the interview I asked
74:09
about your hat and you told me that it
74:11
was made in a place out of material if
74:15
you a lot of my followers saw the
74:18
interview and they they messaged me
74:20
asking if you could maybe give a little
74:23
more detail about if someone wanted to
74:26
get that hat if it’s available and if so
74:28
where and how made in America okay
74:32
that’s really just all we’re saying and
74:34
I believe it’s camel-hair
74:37
freely I believe so
74:40
okay I don’t know if they had to kill a
74:42
camel or if it’s like some like
74:44
synthetic I really don’t know or if
74:46
there’s some poor camel with like that
74:47
hat shaped missing from his side like
74:50
right they had to shave from boats
74:52
probably growing back now so that’s not
74:54
something you ever plan on like having a
74:56
replica that you sell or anything online
74:58
or anything like that no I mean honestly
75:00
it’s I think the price point is a little
75:02
bit too expensive for dimensions you
75:03
know yeah it’s I mean hey I don’t want
75:06
to brag or anything but I got I got the
75:08
the finest quality you can find in a hat
75:11
ya know you got to me that’s some
75:12
serious trip there yeah and and the you
75:16
know but the one that you’re wearing is
75:18
like that’s kind of our that’s the one
75:21
that we want to get like millions of
75:23
people wearing because it is you know it
75:26
is something that’s like within reason
75:27
that we can get you know mass-produce in
75:29
a sweatshop somewhere and you know not
75:32
to say that you’re a lower class of
75:34
person no it’s affordable you can afford
75:37
it send the word I’m looking for you I
75:39
you know it’s affordable you know we can
75:42
afford it
75:43
it’s helping some you know Vietnamese
75:45
family some poor you know Malaysian kids
75:47
got a job finally like it’s a it’s
75:49
helping everyone so it’s a it’s a good
75:51
thing yeah I would say especially if
75:52
that’s camel here that’s probably quite
75:54
a price point how many camels must we
75:57
kill before people know that taxation is
76:00
theft we won’t rest we’ll kill every
76:02
damn camel on this planet until you
76:05
people recognize that taxation is theft
76:07
so do you remember our conversation
76:10
about ducks I can neither confirm nor
76:16
deny the allegations okay if you do how
76:21
much did that change your life well it
76:27
definitely changed my Google history the
76:30
next day something I won’t repeat online
76:35
all I want to say guys is that taxation
76:39
is theft and duck mating is rape and if
76:43
you if you google maybe don’t google it
76:46
go on DuckDuckGo
76:47
ironically go on DuckDuckGo and duck and
76:51
I guess search for duck rape and it’s
76:57
not pretty and afterwards you can
77:00
followed up with something a little bit
77:02
more libertarian like whale rape like
77:05
whale rape at UH and speaking of which I
77:08
have John McAfee is gonna be on we don’t
77:10
have an exact confirm date but in about
77:12
two weeks he’s gonna be on and give him
77:15
my regards
77:16
I will do cuz you’re you were on his
77:17
team right yeah yeah no I will I will
77:20
definitely I will bring you up he could
77:23
afford that hat he’s someone who could
77:25
afford that hat so we’ve got some
77:28
follower questions the first one is what
77:33
would the first hundred days of a Berman
77:35
administration look like so the very
77:42
first thing we’re gonna do the first
77:44
couple days I mean I’m I’m the kind of
77:47
person like I’m just gonna be like yes
77:48
we’re me and there’s the band still
77:50
gonna be playing and I’m be like get me
77:51
the hell out of here get me to the
77:52
office let me start signing pardons
77:53
right and get people out of prison
77:57
nonviolent drug offenses nonviolent tax
77:59
tax crimes you know a lot of that crap
78:05
we need to get people out of prison
78:06
right right
78:08
D scheduling all of the drugs from all
78:13
the fun drugs from the DA’s schedule
78:15
only the fun ones
78:17
only the fun ones yeah some of the some
78:19
of the not fun I mean yeah I don’t know
78:22
every the whole thing whatever right
78:23
we’ll take a vote we’re gonna start
78:28
deregulating the FDA which means we’re
78:29
not gonna prosecute people who are
78:31
operating outside of the FDA’s rules so
78:34
that we can allow a private organization
78:38
to form that can do the FDA’s job better
78:40
and cheaper and actually get drugs to
78:42
market that are gonna save people’s
78:44
lives we’re gonna shut down the DEA
78:46
completely the Department of Education
78:49
completely the ATF completely the IRS
78:54
completely and a couple others and we’re
78:59
gonna start looking into oh the NSA is
79:00
on that list completely yeah we’re going
79:02
to start looking at you know what we can
79:06
do to really start downsizing the FBI
79:07
until it’s it’s nothing left and enough
79:10
some libertarians like why wouldn’t you
79:11
just get rid of it on day one well they
79:13
actually have a lot of systems in place
79:16
that if we transition to private
79:19
organizations would actually make would
79:22
actually be really useful in helping
79:23
local law enforcement find real
79:26
criminals like Sherman rivers right
79:28
which like hey that’s a good thing right
79:29
right it just shouldn’t be in the hands
79:32
of government and actually the same
79:33
thing with the NSA although the NSA like
79:35
they can be shut down immediately they
79:36
just have a bunch of servers that need
79:37
to be wiped and we can auction them off
79:39
or do something right right so yeah
79:43
there’s there’s there’s some fun stuff I
79:45
was gonna say that that would be a
79:46
pretty aggressive hundred days so that
79:48
you can probably probably stop at it
79:50
there cuz that that would be a lot so
79:52
that would be very good next question is
79:54
how do you feel about the this is a
79:56
question that gets asked of almost every
79:58
guest that comes on that’s related to
80:01
the libertarian party how do you feel
80:03
about the inclusion of libertarian
80:05
socialists and anarchists and people
80:07
like left-libertarians into the party
80:10
so I’ve had some conversations with some
80:13
of them I’ve had some on my show and
80:15
they’re you know I I think at their core
80:18
they’re good people
80:19
they’re you know some of them like the
80:23
idea of communism but the
80:24
anarcho-communism is always really
80:26
interesting and I’ve tried to push them
80:29
to you know what’s the point actually
80:31
I’m gonna tie this back into something I
80:33
said earlier in a minute what’s the
80:35
point you would take property from me
80:36
right because that’s that’s the
80:38
difference right like they want to get
80:40
rid of the government but at some point
80:41
they feel like they’re entitled to other
80:43
people’s property and at what point
80:45
would they take property and you know
80:47
one guy I was pushing him like so at
80:49
what you know is what if I left my house
80:51
for ten minutes to go get groceries
80:52
would I come back and find you there on
80:53
my couch right and he said well no I
80:55
think you know if I see a house that’s
80:58
obviously well-maintained and there’s
80:59
furniture and you know everything else
81:00
I’m not gonna assume that’s an abandoned
81:02
house and I’m not gonna take that
81:03
property for myself
81:04
but if I see a house that’s abandoned
81:06
the grass is overgrown there’s no
81:08
furniture he might move in now what’s
81:11
really interesting about this is looking
81:13
down in Mexico they they have a lot of
81:16
squatter’s rights laws and and I think
81:19
the u.s. used to have a lot of this and
81:20
and like it goes back to common law and
81:22
everything else right like you know
81:24
English and everything so what’s really
81:27
interesting is like why not and we have
81:31
a government registry that says you know
81:33
this property belongs to somebody but I
81:35
mean if you abandon it like what’s just
81:38
like can you go to a ghost town and say
81:40
like oh well this entire talent is
81:43
abandoned I’m going to occupy one of
81:44
these houses I don’t know why you’d want
81:46
to do that but could you do that and is
81:48
the actual owner of that house gonna
81:50
complain because there’s probably still
81:51
a title somewhere that says you know
81:53
some guy 50 years ago or a hundred years
81:55
ago used to own this and maybe now he’s
81:58
dead and and his his next of kin should
82:01
have have a legal ownership chain of own
82:04
it’s like when somebody says hey there’s
82:05
this ghost town it’s just sitting here
82:07
it’s completely abandoned I’m gonna I’m
82:09
gonna do something with it and you know
82:11
maybe he builds a city or he builds like
82:13
a business right and he builds the next
82:15
Amazon warehouse there right then what
82:17
the the you know the people who haven’t
82:19
been there for a hundred years and their
82:20
great great granddaughters are gonna
82:22
come there say oh well you built that on
82:24
property that we own so that’s ours that
82:28
that doesn’t make too much sense to me
82:30
so I get the idea
82:32
you know like we have to understand we
82:33
we have this concept that the
82:37
government’s Registry of property is the
82:39
de facto this is who owns it and even as
82:42
capitalists we need to get out of that
82:44
mentality because that’s how the Native
82:46
Americans had their land taken away
82:47
right oh you don’t have title to it so
82:50
that means government gets to decide who
82:52
gets it right yeah yeah you you have
82:55
these processes and like it’s you know
82:57
why why is you know who owns any land in
83:01
California right like who decided like
83:04
Oh am I gonna homestead it am I gonna
83:06
draw a map around it there are giant
83:08
plots of land the government owns what
83:09
70 percent of the west coast or the west
83:11
or something like that it’s I know they
83:13
own like 90 percent of Nevada or
83:15
something like that yeah yeah why who
83:17
said they get to do that they’re not
83:18
homesteading it like they just say they
83:21
just drew a circle on a map is ownership
83:23
right right it’s yes so like none of
83:25
this seems fair so to trust the
83:27
government roster for that I think is
83:28
completely different so I think that
83:30
conversation is is really a conversation
83:32
worth having and by the way that’s that
83:34
that’s what I wanted to tie in to what I
83:36
said earlier about doing things
83:37
completely different and people you know
83:40
asking a question about how would we
83:41
have a military how would you deal with
83:43
property rights and squatters and
83:44
everything else well that’s dealt with
83:46
completely different in Mexico than it
83:49
is in the United States and it’s very
83:51
interesting and in some situations it
83:53
actually works out a lot better in
83:54
Mexico and in some situations it works
83:56
out better in the United States so but
83:59
yeah so these are the conversations that
84:01
I’ve had with some of the some of the
84:04
encom’s and I think it’s really
84:06
interesting I don’t think they’re right
84:07
on everything but I think bringing that
84:10
bringing that type of conversation into
84:13
the mix is is not a bad thing don’t get
84:15
me wrong I think there are some of them
84:17
that are like batshit crazy oh and I
84:19
mean some are like tanky some of them
84:21
call themselves a moms and they’re
84:22
Leninists they’re not they’re forced
84:24
collectivists and i and i want to make
84:26
that distinction between actual
84:27
libertarian socialists and you know
84:30
stalin fanboys or whatever like there’s
84:32
a difference um so yeah yeah and one of
84:35
these guys he was like he was like hey I
84:37
just
84:38
want to like I don’t want to have to
84:39
worry about rent and paying for food
84:41
because I want to spend all of my time
84:43
and effort in my life going around the
84:46
world and helping people in different
84:47
places and I’m like well that’s like I
84:48
can’t say anything wrong with that and
84:50
if you were doing that you’d probably
84:51
get food for free along your way right
84:53
if you’re helping right if you’re going
84:55
around helping people that’s gonna come
84:57
to you a you’re providing value to
84:59
people they’re gonna help you back right
85:01
exactly and and I don’t think he was
85:03
pushing for a tax to be able to pay for
85:05
that right now there are the group of
85:06
people who say well yeah we should get
85:08
rid of the government but while it’s
85:09
here which we should expand it because
85:11
at least while they’re robbing us as you
85:12
give us something back and that’s a
85:14
totally flawed argument cuz basically
85:15
what you’re saying is governments since
85:17
government is so big let’s make it
85:19
bigger before we make it smaller but
85:21
that’s always the argument that’s used
85:22
right and then it gets bigger and then
85:24
you know you forget the plan about
85:26
making it smaller and then somebody else
85:28
comes along and says it’s too big let’s
85:29
make it bigger and then smaller right
85:31
all right yeah you’re a bigger bigger
85:32
and it never ends right and that’s
85:34
actually I’m on both sides you’ll see
85:35
that so you’ll see on the on the left
85:37
side you’ll see people go well we don’t
85:38
need a government but while it’s here we
85:40
should get you bi and Medicare for all
85:43
and like you know stuff to help us live
85:45
better because they’ve made our lives
85:46
bad and then on the right side you’ll
85:48
get some people that’ll go well we don’t
85:50
need a government at all but while
85:51
there’s a welfare state they should be
85:53
like stopping people from coming here
85:54
and even some of the more extreme ones
85:56
are like stopping poor people from
85:57
having kids so that you know people
85:59
can’t take my welfare and I’m like if
86:01
either of you think that this government
86:04
that you’re demanding be expanded is
86:07
gonna then turn around and grant you
86:09
your rights back I think maybe you
86:11
should look at the entire history of
86:13
every government ever so the next
86:15
question you were asked at the South
86:19
Carolina libertarian party debate who
86:21
you thought was the most libertarian
86:22
democrat or republican who do you think
86:25
is the most Democrat or Republican
86:26
member of the LP man I I don’t know man
86:33
I hate questions like this because to
86:35
tell you the truth I hate labels like I
86:37
mean people ask me like well are you a
86:39
libertarian and I’m I have to ask what
86:40
do you mean by libertarian right because
86:43
everyone’s got different definitions I
86:45
it’s really I mean I could I could
86:49
probably say Bill well you know that’s
86:51
it yes
86:51
correct that’s actually I have that
86:52
written oh that’s the correct answer oh
86:54
well you got the right answer yeah right
86:55
but I mean like maybe he’s just the most
86:57
popular one but he’s not even a
86:59
libertarian anymore so or is he
87:01
undercover trying to convince he is a
87:03
lifetime member of the party so I wrote
87:07
that down as the correct answer so I
87:11
mean if you’re running in the Republican
87:13
primary for president and are the
87:16
Libertarian Party lifetime member and I
87:21
wasn’t a member of the Libertarian Party
87:24
until a couple months ago when they
87:27
forced me
87:28
so membership doesn’t necessarily make
87:31
somebody a libertarian no but I said I
87:35
put the question what member of the LP
87:36
oh I see yeah so no you got the but you
87:41
know your limit your lead litigating
87:42
your correct answer so you know you were
87:44
right um so libertarians battle with the
87:48
misconception of being selfish greedy
87:50
and not hold on a second I just got
87:53
another really interesting question can
87:55
I see myself in court yes
87:56
and can I lose on purpose to set
87:59
precedent sure okay cool yeah sorry was
88:06
a question the question was can you sue
88:08
yourself in court and if it’s onna no
88:10
your libertarians battle with the
88:13
misconception of being selfish greedy
88:15
and not caring about others what do you
88:17
think is the best way that we can battle
88:18
that misconception I I think we have to
88:22
understand that it’s true is the correct
88:26
answer because like but we have to
88:30
understand what that means and that
88:31
selfishness is not necessarily a bad
88:33
thing but anybody who wants to make a
88:37
change to government wants to make a
88:39
change in where they think the problem
88:42
is because of their own reasons right
88:44
some people are libertarians because
88:45
they want to legalize weed that’s
88:47
selfish because that’s what they think
88:48
and it might not be because they smoke
88:50
it it might be because they’re tired of
88:52
seeing their friends and family thrown
88:53
in prison for it okay but isn’t that
88:55
still kind of selfish
88:57
isn’t it just selfish if all you want is
88:59
the world to be a better place without
89:00
government torturing people and throwing
89:02
them in cells and killing them
89:04
that’s what
89:05
you want you want to live in that world
89:07
right so we have to understand that well
89:10
yeah we’re we’re all selfish but we also
89:12
have to understand that makes us just
89:14
like everybody else and that makes that
89:17
means that we just want to live our
89:18
lives just like everybody else and when
89:20
we come to that understanding like with
89:23
my health care plan one of the things is
89:27
you know it’s easy for us to get
89:29
Republicans because they’re selfish in I
89:32
don’t want the government taking my
89:33
money right they see low taxes smaller
89:35
government okay cool so they come they
89:37
come for that for the Democrats it’s
89:40
usually pretty hard because they say but
89:42
I want people to be healthy I want the
89:44
poor and the sick and the young and old
89:46
to be taken care of and so all we need
89:49
to do is say you know not fuck the poor
89:52
which a lot of libertarians like to say
89:54
we need to say okay let’s solve those
89:58
problems right how do we solve those
90:00
problems without government and when you
90:01
start going down that path you’ll
90:03
realize oh well government actually
90:05
created those problems and when you
90:07
start talking to people like that I
90:08
would love to fix those problems I would
90:10
love to make sure that there aren’t
90:11
homeless starving children and elderly
90:13
in this country I would love that and I
90:16
would love for you to live in that
90:17
country in this country in that way
90:19
without those problems how do we make it
90:22
happen we get government out of way
90:24
because the government’s creating all
90:25
these problems and that’s when their
90:27
minds just kind of explode and they’re
90:28
like wow okay that’s cool so this took a
90:32
very sterner esque turn maybe egoism
90:37
slightly where you were saying you know
90:39
even when we’re doing things for others
90:41
ultimately there’s a selfish aspect to
90:43
it and that we’re helping are we’re
90:46
feels good right it feels good and then
90:48
we like that so like people pretty much
90:51
never do anything that is going to cause
90:55
them to feel some kind of you know pain
90:57
or distress like a net negative feeling
91:00
unless they’re masochist in which case
91:03
it’s still kind of selfish because they
91:04
actually have a perverse pleasure in
91:06
hurting themselves but that’s still so
91:09
do now do you consider yourself an
91:11
egoist or is that just kind of no okay I
91:15
don’t think so okay
91:17
no is curious because that’s sort of the
91:19
the sterner the Max Turner thing of you
91:22
know perceived self-interest and so
91:23
forth so the last question from the
91:25
followers before we go to final my
91:27
fellow Americans is what was the last
91:31
non libertarian position you held and
91:33
what made you give up on it
91:36
the last non libertarian I’m trying to
91:43
think when did I give up on closed
91:45
borders that was me I don’t think I’ve I
91:48
don’t think I’ve ever been for closed
91:49
borders okay I think probably probably
91:52
the closest one would have been some
91:56
form of common-sense gun control back
91:59
when I was a commie for nyan because
92:01
that I grew up in Los Angeles okay so
92:03
that that’s probably the last one and
92:06
that was a pretty pretty long time ago
92:08
and it was just as part of your
92:10
evolution into libertarianism that you
92:12
gave up on that I think it was it was
92:17
part of my personal evolution but I
92:19
think it had more to do like it happened
92:21
before I came across the Libertarian
92:23
Party and even understood what a
92:24
libertarian was okay but I think it had
92:26
to do with just moving to Texas getting
92:30
introduced to gun culture with you know
92:33
people who were like in a way that like
92:37
you know broke through all the
92:40
propaganda that I was used to seeing
92:41
right in California right you weren’t
92:44
just seeing bad actors with guns you
92:46
were seeing people that like were just
92:48
normal reasonable people that wanted to
92:50
be able to defend themselves and so
92:51
forth as opposed to guns were for bank
92:53
robbers and drug dealers and you know
92:55
gangsters or whatever I don’t think I
92:58
was ever that well yeah maybe I was I
93:00
don’t know yeah but it’s I mean it all
93:02
came from it all cuz like I mean look
93:04
when I was like when I was like eight I
93:07
shot like a 22 at a shooting range at a
93:09
Boy Scout camp and I shot a couple BB
93:11
guns and that was it that was my
93:14
childhood with guns so everything else I
93:16
knew about it came from TV which is a
93:20
good way to remember supporting gun
93:21
control is yeah III remember I when I
93:24
was when I was like I don’t know i’m
93:26
just i’m just guessing numbers like five
93:28
ish or eight or i don’t know my
93:31
next-door neighbor i was
93:33
friends with and his dad was a cop and I
93:34
went over to his house and I remember
93:36
seeing the shotgun there in like a gun
93:38
cabinet
93:39
oh hey Lucia uh-oh oh boy did I lose you
93:51
I think I lost you but the folks didn’t
93:55
lose me you guys didn’t lose me but Dan
94:00
did let me see if I can reconnect with
94:03
Dan let me see if I can do that again
94:15
okay we may the show may be over guys
94:19
about to find out let’s see if I can
94:22
invite Dan again or if he’s been kicked
94:27
off he may have been kicked off if he
94:33
has he’s dope he said his computer effed
94:38
up
94:46
we will see I’m gonna see if he can get
94:51
on if not then we’ll oh he’s trying to
94:53
get on so unfortunately usually guys I
94:57
can I can talk about some other stuff
94:59
but we were just gonna wrap up with
95:02
final my fellow Americans and I was
95:05
gonna ask him I was gonna give him 30
95:07
seconds and give him the names of the
95:10
other is that do my ears deceive me
95:14
are you back I think you’re on hi can
95:25
you hear me now I can hear you and see
95:27
you perfect okay
95:29
all right cool so that was weird yeah no
95:32
problem so Abby what’s up NSA yeah and I
95:37
say nice try
95:39
so we have a segment now called final my
95:43
fellow Americans and basically what I’m
95:46
going to do is terrible are we all gonna
95:49
die yes and and you’ll never know when
95:52
that’s the worst part of it but just
95:55
because we started this at some later
95:57
date we will all die so I’m gonna give
96:01
you 30 seconds and you’re going to I’m
96:05
gonna give you the names of some of the
96:08
liberty of other people that are running
96:09
for the Libertarian Party nomination for
96:11
president and you’re going to tell me
96:14
what you think their favorite pizza
96:17
topping is okay do you think you can do
96:22
this
96:23
yep 30 seconds it’s not thirty night
96:28
time it’s not gonna be enough time but
96:29
I’m gonna give you 30 seconds to answer
96:31
as many as I can to answer as many as
96:33
you can and then I might still keep
96:35
asking you we really don’t know this
96:38
game has no rules this is a pure anarchy
96:40
game but uh let me know when you’re
96:42
ready and we will start hold on let me
96:45
pull up my random word generator okay
96:48
I’m ready okay perfect
96:50
so 30 seconds on the clock good luck Ken
96:54
Armstrong
96:57
steak oh wow
97:00
Adam Koch ash gunpowder Bend leader
97:08
revenge Joe Jorgenson
97:15
salt
97:18
Kim ruff rainbows that’s a good one
97:28
averman supreme probably should have
97:29
been rainbows pony meat
97:31
oh yeah that’s obvious um who else do I
97:35
have here max Abramson tactical voting
97:42
these are terrible pizza crunchy topping
97:45
soft the actual answer by the way for
97:48
Joe Jorgenson is that she doesn’t find
97:50
that to be something that the voters are
97:51
interested in and she would rather talk
97:53
to you about the income tax okay
97:56
so you’ve lost I’m happy to talk about
97:59
the income tax no as are all as they’re
98:03
all libertarians so you did lose that
98:06
but you have gotten the highest score
98:09
for any loser about that game which I
98:13
just started today I’m awesome so good
98:18
job and also I’m sorry um Dan it’s been
98:22
an absolute blast having you on I hope
98:25
to have you on again soon and also it
98:28
was a blast apparently being on your
98:29
show as well I guess on my show on your
98:32
show on my show your show on my show
98:35
it’s been great to have your show on my
98:39
show dan so before I let you go I want
98:43
to give you a chance to give any final
98:44
thoughts you want to give any message
98:46
you want to say anything you feel like
98:48
we didn’t have a chance to talk about
98:49
anything you want to plug any events
98:51
that are up got anything you want to
98:53
talk about dan Berman the floor is yours
98:59
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99:02
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99:31
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99:32
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99:35
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99:37
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99:38
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99:41
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99:43
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99:45
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99:49
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99:51
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99:55
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99:57
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99:59
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100:01
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100:05
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100:10
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100:12
but I believe next Thursday we will be
100:13
having the Masters of debate two from
100:17
the famous masters of debate series this
100:21
time it will be an LNC libertarian
100:23
National Committee Chair debate between
100:25
Joshua Smith
100:27
Todd Hagopian hag opinion I think it’s a
100:30
go pian and Mike Shipley and possibly
100:33
next our work he has said that he’s not
100:35
sure if he’s running for reelection but
100:37
if he decides between now and Thursday
100:39
he’ll be on as well and then sometime
100:43
next week I don’t have an exact an exact
100:47
time yet day or time yet but sometime
100:49
the following week John McAfee will be
100:53
my guest John I don’t have a good
100:57
nickname for him but McAfee John McAfee
100:59
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101:03
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101:05
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101:07
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