(((My Fellow Americans))) #50: Johnny Be VP with John Phillips Jr.

Happy Yom Kippur everyone! Spike's already interviewed a few Presidential candidates, but this is his first Vice Presidential candidate. John Phillips Jr. is running as Kim Ruff's running mate for the Libertarian Party nomination for President and VP, and he's hanging out with Spike to talk about their vision for America. John and Spike are also featured spokesmodels for the 2020 Libertarian Dad Bod Calendar which has completely gone to Spike's head, so they'll no doubt be talking about that as well.


About This Episode

Happy Yom Kippur everyone! Spike’s already interviewed a few Presidential candidates, but this is his first Vice Presidential candidate.

John Phillips Jr. is running as Kim Ruff’s running mate for the Libertarian Party nomination for President and VP, and he’s hanging out with Spike to talk about their vision for America.

John and Spike are also featured spokesmodels for the 2020 Libertarian Dad Bod Calendar which has completely gone to Spike’s head, so they’ll no doubt be talking about that as well.

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Episode Transcript

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always guys I’ve had some presidential
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candidates on the show before but this
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is my first vice presidential candidate
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he is running as Kim roughs running mate
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you’ll remember I had her on about three
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or four months ago now and she was
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amazing he is her running mate to get
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the Libertarian Party nomination for the
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presidential and vice presidential race
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he is also the region six representative
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for the libertarian National Committee
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as well as a businessman a mechanic a
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writer and activist a husband and a
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father ladies and gentlemen my fellow
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Americans please welcome to the show mr.
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John Phillips jr. John thank you so much
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for joining us thanks for having me I
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and a good job at trying to trip me up
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well while I in my in my ear I I think
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you got me one time or two I think you
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got me two times actually I am so happy
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to finally have you on when I was
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introducing you I was worried that one
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of us would actually disappear fun fact
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guys this episode has been about two
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months in the making it has been
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rescheduled I don’t even remember how
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many times due to hurricanes and family
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obligations and health stuff and and all
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sorts of stuff but you’re here now John
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and I refuse to let you go so thank you
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for for coming on it’s all Trump’s fault
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yes welcome to Trump’s America guys and
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guys be sure to comment with your what’s
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that no I just giggled yeah be sure to
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comment with your questions and thoughts
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and John and I will tell you if you are
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right or wrong now John this is your
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first time on the show and the first
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thing I always ask my guess is to tell
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us a little story a ditty if you will
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about how you came about being a
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libertarian was it an aha moment or kind
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of a gradual evolution tell us your your
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didy tell us John’s didy it was
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definitely a gradual thing okay
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the got involved in politics in an early
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age I started drawing political cartoons
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in middle school oh so that
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back reagan-era and came across Ron Paul
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back then when he was still firmly
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libertarian and was intrigued but you
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know as I still have a version to
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authority I did then and just didn’t
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want to sign on with a party so I stayed
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independent I checked out the Democrats
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on what checked out the Republicans I’ve
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actually been to a convention of each
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then came across Harry Brown in the 90s
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I said but before that actually worked
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for Ross Perot well I say I worked for
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Ross Perot I was a very low-level
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volunteer that took signs around places
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okay yeah the and then then came across
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Harry Brown I said man I really liked it
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I liked this libertarian thing it’s
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growing on me
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I wasn’t quite ready to sign on yet and
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then there was a couple little issues
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there in the early 2000s that ran me off
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for a little bit longer and then Garry
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Johnson came back around and I was like
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you know hey there he’s not perfect but
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I really like what this party is doing
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and the way they’re going so I’m just
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gonna jump in with both feet very cool
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so interestingly enough so most people
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when I talked to them and they talked
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about their first time about hearing
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about Ron Paul most of the time and it
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this isn’t really it’s kind of not
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really exclusive to any specific age
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group but most of the time they’ll talk
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about either you know 2008 when he was
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one of the only Republicans that was
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against the Iraq war or when he ran for
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president as the only anti-war
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Republican or then in 2012 maybe a few
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people that would remember when he would
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criticize some of the actions that were
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being taken in the early 2000s every
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once in a while I’ll talk to someone who
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remembers him from the 80s when he was a
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libertarian who ran for president and
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was at 88 I think it was yeah and and
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like you know they’ll talk about when he
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was on Morton Downey jr. all the time
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and would you know he would be this was
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a time when the war on drugs was
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incredibly popular the DARE program was
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extremely popular just say no to drugs
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and he’s on there you know on you know
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broadcast television telling people we
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need to legalize cocaine like you know
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legalize everything and and the
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reception that that
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so that was your first kind of exposure
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to libertarianism and that was a big
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shock for a lot of people when he said
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those things that’s what’s cool about it
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but um it’s funny because now that’s
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maybe not the cocaine part but
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definitely at least you know legalizing
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marijuana and maybe loosening some of
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the restrictions of the war on drugs is
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almost mainstream at this point so it’s
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really interesting how you know Ron and
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people like him really you know took it
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on the chin for the rest of us so okay
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so you you got into that and then so
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Gary Johnson um like you said he’s not
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exactly your ideal libertarian but what
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what attracted you to what what made you
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kind of get off the fence for Gary the
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well I mean first of all I hated it the
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other candidates at the time there’s
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that the but you know with a few
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exceptions especially its 2012 Ron
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actually buddy did better in his 2012
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than his 2016 as far as presenting the
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message right but he did a pretty good
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job at presenting the message in a way
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that was palatable to people that had
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never heard it before and and didn’t
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come across for the most part there was
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a little bit of slack there but didn’t
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for the most part come across as just a
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were Republican light which is not what
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I want it to be right right
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even though and it’s interesting because
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even though he is a former Republican
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what two-term governor and and you know
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even still he didn’t come off as quite
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as much of a a one of the things that I
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talked about quite a bit in fact him and
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I talked about this when she was on is
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that this this perception of
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libertarians you hear one of two things
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when you talk to most people about
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libertarians they’ll say actually three
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things they’ll go oh you mean like Rand
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Paul or Ron Paul or they’ll say oh so
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you just like drugs or you like wheat or
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whatever or they’ll say isn’t that
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really just kind of like you know
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Republicans that are you know into you
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know drugs and you know what like so
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there’s sort of this perception among I
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guess
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many that the libertarian party is kind
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of a place where you know aging
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Republicans go to make one last failed
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hurrah you know the one I always get is
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oh isn’t that that group of racists that
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likes the KKK and I mean I get hardcore
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people and I’m just like do you even you
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obviously know nothing let me talk to
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you about this yeah that’s a great time
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to talk to them about that I don’t know
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anyone that would fit that bill actually
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I don’t yeah and that’s the thing is I
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don’t either
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and so I’m like where did you even get
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that idea let’s talk about this and I
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actually just formed a coalition
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actually and the local level with the
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central Illinois Democratic socialists
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and what they’re finding out all these
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things that they had heard about
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libertarianism were completely untrue
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and they’re like yeah we’re working on
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some marijuana legalization issues here
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locally we’re working on removing some
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government restrictions on what kind of
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grass you can you were growing your yard
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things like that right but I was just
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out at the pride fest and they’re like
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oh we didn’t realize libertarians
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supported LGBT rights and I was like are
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you kidding me we’ve supported them
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since the beginning right and you know
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and so the and so it’s funny how much
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information is just wrong that’s out
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there of it oh yeah I mean it’s it’s
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you’ve got well I mean major media is
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run by either Republicans or Democrats
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so obviously they’re they’re not gonna
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get you know let the message get out
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there but no I actually get that a lot
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that people will say well you know it’s
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good to see that libertarians are
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jumping on the lgbtq bandwagon and I’m
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like no they’ve they’ve they were
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cheating yeah they were championing that
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stuff in the 70s when they were founded
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when you couldn’t find a Democrat that
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would even outside of maybe the bay area
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or certain metro areas you couldn’t find
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mainstream politicians who were okay
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with homosexuality would publicly say
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they were okay with homosexuality even
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being legal so you know much less go
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ahead seventies they were still okay
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with it being considered a mental
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illness right right though ya know III
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it’s interesting what people think I’m
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glad to hear that you are working
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outside of traditional libertarian
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circles that you’re working with like
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you know Democrats socialists whomever
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on specific things that you agree with
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because you there’s more power in
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numbers and also that gives you an
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opening to you know get rid of
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misperceptions they may have about
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libertarianism possibly yellow pill them
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into libertarianism or at the very least
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soften their perception and associations
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with libertarianism so that’s a really
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good especially on local issues the yeah
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we still have some disagreements on
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federal issues because they really want
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Medicare for all and things like that
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and so but on local issues yeah it’s all
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about hate quit making these regulations
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that hurt and for people right and so
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the zoning laws and things like that and
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that they those are libertarian issues
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that they can get right on board with so
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on the local level it works really well
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I’m still working on them on the federal
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level but yeah I’ve got him at least
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you’re looking at some of the things I
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talked to him about about free markets
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and healthcare and how the government’s
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actually made the health care system
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worse not better right so yeah but
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because we were able to work together in
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these other issues they’re more willing
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to listen on these and I also have to
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listen to theirs
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but I’ve also heard most of their
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arguments a million times so it’s not
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new to me but what I’m saying is new to
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them exactly and that’s the difference
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is that you’ve heard pretty much
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everything they have to say so when they
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say it okay great well you know I
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appreciate your your thoughts you are
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more than likely giving them a non
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caricatured version of what we actually
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think probably for the first time in
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most of their lives you know they’ve
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heard things like ona won’t pay for your
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health care but they’re not hearing like
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the actual libertarian argument behind
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why health care was how health care was
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made worse by government why having the
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government more involved is going to
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make it worse and how this isn’t about
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selfishness it’s literally about freeing
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the markets that you know people can do
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better whether it’s health care whether
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it’s self-defense
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whether it’s transportation food
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whatever whatever you know issue you
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have
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you know economics whatever that it’s
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not about being selfish and only for me
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it’s about recognizing that having
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government centrally planned everything
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is a demonstrable E worse way to do
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things so it’s really good that you’re
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that you’re doing that um now admittedly
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I’ve only known about you for the better
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part of this year much better now that I
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know you huh the research I’ve done I’m
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gonna use that rimshot that’s my new
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thing
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but I’m actually doing it for the first
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time on this show so I bear with me from
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the research I’ve done you’ve been very
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active in politics particularly in the
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libertarian party you’ve been working to
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secure ballot access in multiple states
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you founded the Macon County Illinois
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chapter of the libertarian party and
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helped to co-found other party chapters
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you ran a mayoral campaign and got
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within a few points of winning it you
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served on the libertarian party’s
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national platform committee you’ve run
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as a write-in candidate for the Macon
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County Council you’re running for the
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Decatur City Council I’m getting tired
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of that elections over
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that was actually last spring okay so
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you did do that I’m actually getting
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tired of reading this like I’m wearing
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down I’m about to wrap up the show after
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we visits Barry currently the region six
16:47
representative to the libertarian
16:49
National Committee you also serve on
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their ballot access committee last year
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you were awarded the Jim Waldron Award
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for outstanding local service by the
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Libertarian Party of Illinois in
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addition to all of this you own and
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operate a business full time are active
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in many hobbies and are a devoted
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husband and father John when are you
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going to grow up and do something with
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your life all right what am I gonna
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sleep yeah I mean so obviously you’re
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passionate about this right like so what
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drives you because one thing I’ve heard
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from a lot of libertarian activists that
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after six months a year two years they
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will they’ll burn out because they feel
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like it’s not catching or they’re not
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making I guess the kind of impact that
17:34
they thought they would and I find also
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a lot of them the ones that are saying
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that tend to focus on like the federal
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level where they feel like they’re truly
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like you know pissing in the wind which
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to some extent they may be
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what drives you to continue doing this
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year after year especially on the local
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and regional levels like what what is
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that thing that you that you go to when
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you are feeling like you know okay you
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know the Republican one again or the
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Democrat one again or whatever and that
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does happen I do have those days but it
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comes down to really a couple things the
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first are my two kids I really don’t I
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want them to grow up with more freedoms
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than they have now right preferably more
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freedoms than I had when I was a kid
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which was a lot more than they have now
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and the other thing is I go around and I
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have friends that you know are having
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medical issues and I look at them and I
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look at how the government’s getting in
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the way of them getting treatment for
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their medical issues right I’m looking
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at government getting in the way of
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their pain treatment looking I’ve got
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friends that are also trying to be in
18:38
trompin or that are watching the
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government getting away of them trying
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to start their businesses and so every
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time I turn around I see somebody that’s
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close to me getting screwed over by the
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government one way or another right
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right and and it kind of pisses me off
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so that’s what keeps me going
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so it’s with the anger fuel you
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basically yeah fair enough
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so you’re in Illinois which is I mean I
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what I know about Illinois is somewhere
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in capital of the world right it’s like
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one of the highest tax bases in the in
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the in the US I don’t know how close
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Macon County is to the Chicagoland area
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I know that’s obviously the worst but
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pretty I mean it’s it’s Chicago kind of
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dominating the rest of the state in
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terms of state politics right mm-hmm no
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yeah and the with you what a lot of
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people don’t know is that Illinois has
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almost twice as many units of government
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as the next closest state Wow so it’s
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over 7,000 in the next closest is
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California at like just over 4,000 and
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it’s yeah it’s just crazy
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that’s insane especially when you
19:43
consider that California is easily the
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largest state in terms of population so
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per capita it’s even worse right like
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it’s like right right and easily the
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moat and they’re reasonably the most
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socialist state so it’s really crazy and
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then I guess you know not coincidentally
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also one of the
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most if not the most corrupt state in
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the in the in the country yes I think
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it’s five out of the last eight
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governor’s have served time in prison
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something like that whereas Michigan
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only had the one so that’s you got
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bright Michigan is it has that going for
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them but I yeah I you know the jokes
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about we’ve got the record I think we’ve
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got the record for the most governor’s
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in prison at one time that I can’t
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imagine that wouldn’t be the case I that
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sounds I mean like you said the majority
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of the last eight governors and half of
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the last ten governors have served time
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in prison for stuff related to what they
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did while they were governors that’s a
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that’s a pretty impressive record we’ve
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got and we’ve got the FBI all over the
20:43
state of Chicago right now raiding
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Offices of state congressman so it’s
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it’s almost I mean correct me if I’m
20:51
wrong it’s almost as though the more
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power you centralize into one
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organization the more corrupt that
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organization gets imagine that it’s
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incredible it’s well it’s a world of
21:02
wonders that we live in John let me go
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through the complement idea so we have
21:07
some comments here Maria and beau says
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hi Tom Fotini Henderson says it never
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occurs to people that assistance can be
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crowd-sourced exactly and and Fotini
21:16
that’s actually a very interesting thing
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and John I want to get your take on this
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the decentralization that’s happening
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thanks to the Internet uber GoFundMe
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Kickstarter lyft air B&B; where people
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are seeing whether they’re making that
21:34
association or not that they don’t need
21:36
this central structure to do things that
21:38
they can actually get it better on again
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whether they’re making this you know
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connection or not on it pretty much as
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free market as possible are you seeing
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because you’re doing way more activism
21:48
than me but really than I mean most
21:53
people that I’ve talked to do you see
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there’s any kind of gap where maybe say
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Millennials or you know Gen Z or Gen X
22:00
people are more perceptive to you know
22:04
the idea that we just don’t need
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government at all then for example
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boomers or people right around the
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boomer age do you find that at all it’s
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really it’s actually kind of its kind of
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split up the you have the the older
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people like my grandparents age who you
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know actually you know maybe a little
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bit younger than that but my parent my
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parents age say who are boomers are
22:28
starting you know they’re starting to
22:31
see the we don’t need government the you
22:34
get a little bit younger than that the
22:36
50 60 year olds those are the ones that
22:39
really are just so much still in love
22:41
with the government that they couldn’t
22:43
sack or they don’t feel like they could
22:45
live without it
22:45
yeah and then as you get younger from
22:48
there less and less dependence on it
22:51
though you see weird dichotomies with it
22:53
because you see them all excited about
22:54
uber and the relaxed restrictions there
22:57
right but then you see them complain oh
22:59
we shouldn’t have to crowdfund our our
23:01
medical costs on blink crowd-funding
23:04
your medical cost is a great stat it’s
23:06
way better than insurance it’s way way
23:10
better and you can do it on your own
23:11
terms and and I mean I obviously I’m
23:14
preaching to the choir but you can do it
23:16
way cheaper if the government were less
23:17
involved but the rest I asked you that
23:20
was because I have found that like you
23:23
said there’s a weird dichotomy right
23:25
like so my age I’m in my late 30s my age
23:28
and and younger they might be more
23:31
perceptive to you know a Bernie Sanders
23:33
or you know the talk of the the word
23:36
socialism but then when you actually
23:38
talk to them about what they want they
23:40
want less government they want less drug
23:41
restrictions they want less you know you
23:44
know they want less restrictions in
23:45
general they see that the government is
23:48
just getting in the way of them enjoying
23:50
their lives and and and they tend but
23:52
yet the the labeling and the marketing
23:54
of socialism seems to appeal to them
23:56
more it seems to be the reverse for like
23:59
people my mom’s age and my dad’s my
24:01
mom’s in her late 60’s and my dad is in
24:03
his 80s the word socialism to them is
24:06
you know the depo it’s the devil
24:08
socialism communism in want to hear a
24:10
thing about that but then and my parents
24:12
are both very loving and supportive of
24:14
me but when I talk to them about my
24:15
ideas and I’m an anarchist so I mean
24:17
obviously my ideas are very extreme but
24:19
even just the idea of government not
24:21
being involved you know at all or very
24:24
little I get to look like the almost
24:27
thousand-yard stare like it’s so foreign
24:29
that that idea so it’s weird it’s like
24:32
they’re more okay with the actual
24:34
implementation of socialism or something
24:36
so close to socialism than the labeling
24:38
of it whereas people that are younger
24:41
generally speaking tend to be better
24:44
with the branding and labeling of
24:45
socialism than with the actual
24:47
implementation of it so I guess you’re
24:48
seeing the same thing for the most part
24:50
right for the most part it really it
24:53
comes down to really what’s what issues
24:54
you start talking about right you know
24:57
my older family is you know very much
25:00
anti anti government when it comes to
25:02
Second Amendment and things like that
25:03
right and young younger people tend to
25:06
be more wishy-washy on the Second
25:08
Amendment yeah older people tend to be
25:11
more keep the government out of my
25:12
healthcare the younger people seem seem
25:14
to be more oh well let the government
25:16
you know I’m okay with the government
25:18
running my health care I just don’t want
25:19
him to tell me what to do other than
25:20
that you know and so they want the
25:23
government not telling them what they
25:24
were to do but they don’t but they still
25:28
want the government paying their bills
25:30
like you’re not my real dad but ya know
25:33
III that’s actually true that that’s
25:36
actually what the way I describe is I
25:38
would say the conservatives and
25:40
Republicans they want government to be
25:42
the strict dad you know oh you can’t do
25:45
this you can’t do that and we’re not
25:47
paying for you to do this so we’re not
25:48
paying for you to do that get out get a
25:50
job right and the Democrats and the
25:52
Socialists they want the they want the
25:55
government to be the helicopter mom oh
25:57
well we’re not going to tell you what to
25:59
do you can do whatever you want but
26:01
we’re gonna make sure you’re taken care
26:03
of and we’re not you you know it’s not
26:05
your fault and you know and neither one
26:07
of which embraces self responsibility
26:10
and that’s a problem right right both
26:12
they’re different extremes it’s
26:14
interesting that you say about older
26:16
people wanting government out of their
26:18
health care which is true I hear that a
26:19
lot but then they’ll say they’ll say
26:20
things they’ll say they’ll unyk lis say
26:22
something like I want government to stay
26:24
I want big government liberals
26:25
to stay out of my Medicare you like you
26:29
know and they’re not like they don’t
26:30
they’re so disconnected from and again
26:33
I’m generally speaking I’m not I mean
26:35
some of my favorite ruffler boomers but
26:39
generally speaking there
26:41
such disconnect between like what how
26:44
little they destruct how much they
26:46
distrust government in general and then
26:48
how much like they’ll say something like
26:50
I don’t want these big government
26:52
Democrats letting in all these
26:54
immigrants and it’s like okay but you
26:56
need a massive government fortress to
26:58
keep everyone out and you know I want
27:01
Democrats away from my Medicare I want
27:03
Democrats like I just saw an ad keep
27:04
keep the Democrats away from your
27:06
Medicare and I’m like I remember when
27:08
Republicans were dead-set against
27:09
Medicare it was way back when Obama was
27:12
president right drives me crazy because
27:17
I just you know the and I see this all
27:20
the time and all the discussions about
27:22
yet they use the same arguments to argue
27:26
different things right you know I’m you
27:28
know that when you know your Republican
27:30
argument oh let me keep my guns you know
27:33
guns aren’t killing people right and you
27:36
know here’s the here’s the statistics to
27:38
show that they’re not okay you’re right
27:39
thank you for using that then maybe you
27:42
should listen to the Democrat that’s
27:44
telling you that immigrants aren’t
27:46
killing people exactly and all that and
27:49
vice versa you know if hey mr. Democrat
27:51
that’s telling us about the only
27:52
statistics about immigrants maybe you
27:54
should actually look at the statistics
27:55
about guns sir yeah yeah and yeah they
27:58
they’re just so can’t even hear that
28:01
they’re being completely hypocritical
28:03
about it that I you know I just don’t
28:06
get it it’s the it’s the it’s the binary
28:09
thing one thing that I’ve noticed is
28:11
that when I will give a when I’ll talk
28:16
to someone and give what they perceive
28:18
to be the other side’s talking point so
28:19
for example if I’m talking with a
28:23
Republican or conservative about
28:25
immigration and I’ll say you know the
28:27
government really should not be
28:28
restricting my private property right to
28:31
you know host higher or houses whomever
28:34
I wish on my private property and and
28:35
they’re having to steal people’s land
28:37
and build walls on it to do this and you
28:39
know they’re doing all these
28:40
restrictions they’re also restricting
28:42
our ability to leave you know and these
28:44
aren’t good and they’ll say yeah but but
28:46
you know the government what about the
28:48
Democrats they want to restrict your
28:50
right to own guns and I’ll say yeah no
28:51
I’m against that too and it kind of
28:53
destroys their they
28:54
they I find often they will either
28:56
change the subject or just not want to
28:58
talk about anymore or launch into ad
29:00
hominem because it completely Democrats
29:03
and Republicans are so you used to
29:05
correctly accusing each other of being
29:07
hypocrites all day that when someone
29:09
comes in and apply something consistent
29:11
it just completely blows them out of the
29:13
water
29:13
and they don’t know how to handle it
29:15
totally confuses them and it you can
29:18
watch the cognitive dissonance yes watch
29:20
it take over their brain and watch their
29:23
head start to hurt
29:24
absolutely now I mentioned boomers and I
29:27
knew I know that when I mentioned
29:30
boomers on this show if Tom Arnold isn’t
29:33
already watching it will summon Tom
29:35
Arnold I’m sure he has some kind of he’s
29:38
probably one of the most tech adept
29:41
people I know he has some kind of app on
29:44
his phone that if my voice says boomer
29:47
on the internet then here is Tom Tom
29:50
thank you so much for joining the show
29:51
tom was a guest actually a huge fan of
29:53
Tom my favorite libertarians ever and so
29:57
I love I absolutely love Tom I can’t
30:00
wait to actually meet him in person he’s
30:01
an awesome guy but he says no more rim
30:04
shot or you know I really like the rim
30:07
shots well think about that tom says we
30:10
we don’t sleep until we die john boomers
30:13
question mark question mark question
30:15
mark yeah and personal injury attorney
30:18
Chris Reynolds attorney at law says
30:20
let’s be honest at home arguments
30:23
against bike are pretty easy to make no
30:24
that’s true no that’s absolutely true
30:25
they’ll be like yeah but you know your
30:28
face is stupid and I’m like okay granted
30:30
but whatever I was talking about so
30:34
that’s true but um I I was like that
30:38
they are they they make some some attack
30:40
just like that and I like kid okay yeah
30:42
I’m ugly okay yeah what’s your point and
30:44
let’s move on yeah your wife’s way
30:46
hotter than you I’m like I’m aware of
30:48
that and I’m well aware thank you I’m
30:52
good with that and she appreciates it as
30:54
well can we go back to the subject now
30:56
of course you were running with Kim
31:00
rough to get the libertarian party’s
31:02
nomination for president and vice
31:04
president of the United States of
31:06
America this is I think
31:08
first time I’ve seen people start their
31:10
campaign as running mates is that as
31:12
does that common how did that come about
31:14
no it’s not common at all it’s it’s very
31:16
different than what most people do right
31:18
now in any party though of course we are
31:21
the only party that actually does have
31:23
to run for election for the
31:24
vice-president I suppose being selected
31:26
right right it’s very young very very
31:28
uncommon so what brought that about like
31:30
what we’re did that where did that idea
31:31
come from came from her the the there
31:37
was some debate about which one of us
31:39
was going to take the top of the ticket
31:40
and I told her I said it’s got to be you
31:42
you’re far well more far more
31:44
well-spoken than I am but the but we
31:50
actually yeah it just we were talking on
31:53
the phone after the New Orleans
31:55
convention and it just kind of
31:58
materialized it was right hill very very
32:01
organic and it just started and you know
32:04
I’m gonna I’m not even gonna hide it
32:06
when we first started it was we’re not
32:08
gonna have a chance we’re gonna do this
32:10
so we’re gonna go out there and we’re
32:11
gonna be like Daryl prairies or were
32:13
somebody or Marc Feldman who said a lot
32:15
of good things but it’s not gonna get
32:17
anywhere right right right
32:18
and and but we’re and we’re gonna
32:21
embrace that and then we went out and
32:23
next thing you know people going we want
32:26
to work for you we want to work for you
32:27
we want to spread the word for you we
32:28
want to affiliate to your cause we want
32:30
and now you know people are you know are
32:34
calving me on talk shows or your
32:36
podcasts and inviting me to speak at
32:39
their conventions and and it’s
32:42
completely blown up and it’s it’s still
32:44
mind-boggling to me yeah it’s really I I
32:47
was actually I mean you guys announced I
32:50
think before anyone else so you’ve been
32:52
doing it for Adam Koch Esch announced
32:55
like in 2016 before the last election
33:01
right and Arvin and Arvin announced at
33:05
the last in oral in New Orleans about a
33:08
month before we did okay okay I didn’t
33:11
know that so but you guys announced some
33:13
time last year right 2018 Yeah right
33:15
after New Orleans okay there’s like yeah
33:18
New Orleans this July 4th weekend it was
33:20
just before
33:22
that we immense okay um and so so
33:26
obviously you guys have known each other
33:27
for a while
33:28
um I had the pleasure of having him on
33:30
the show a few months back she’s like I
33:33
said she’s just amazing
33:34
now Kim as you know Kim like me is an
33:36
anarchist do you consider yourself an
33:38
anarchist or more of a Mannerist
33:40
constitutionalist hell it told me about
33:42
that everybody who asked me that
33:45
question I give them the same I give
33:47
them the same question back long term or
33:50
short term long term Aryans I’ll give
33:56
you the long term is long term I
33:58
consider myself an anarchist okay but I
34:01
think that the human race is not there
34:05
yet it’s gonna require some more mental
34:08
evolution across the board before we can
34:11
fully embrace it so currently I consider
34:14
myself am an artist but an artist being
34:17
me and goal somewhere down the line in
34:19
the future fair enough I mean I say this
34:22
often whether it’s because of
34:24
conditioning or human nature or some
34:28
combination thereof I tend to lean more
34:29
towards conditioning if I were to wake
34:32
up and snap my fingers I got the Thanos
34:34
glove and I snap my fingers and all
34:37
government disappears everyone else is
34:39
gonna turn around at me and go what the
34:40
hell did you just do and they’ll
34:42
immediately go to rebuilding some other
34:44
government and there’s a decent chance
34:46
that government’s gonna suck even worse
34:48
than the current governments we have
34:50
because the current governments we have
34:51
are built on the foundations of people
34:54
who weren’t quite as bad as the people
34:55
who are like for the most part like I I
34:58
still say that the Constitution was a
35:03
bad move to replace the Articles of
35:06
Confederation with the Constitution but
35:09
I will say that the Constitution as
35:11
statist of a sum of the mindsets of the
35:14
people like Hamilton and people that
35:16
were behind it is far and above better
35:18
than what the current menagerie of
35:21
people would come up with if they were
35:23
given a clean slate it would not look
35:25
like anything like anything even
35:27
resembling limiting government I talk to
35:30
these people who are pushing the
35:31
Constitutional Convention all the time I
35:34
and I keep telling him you’re insane
35:37
because you don’t know what you’re gonna
35:40
get
35:40
we don’t need a constitutional
35:41
convention we need to enforce the
35:44
Constitution when if we’ve got anybody
35:48
got government back to fit inside what
35:51
the Constitution says that would be a
35:53
good start I don’t think that’s where we
35:55
need to stop right but that is so far
35:58
from where we’re at right now that it’s
36:00
almost unrecognizable and if you put
36:02
those same people in charge of a
36:04
constitutional convention they’re gonna
36:06
take away the Second Amendment they’re
36:08
gonna do all kinds of crazy crap the
36:10
Constitutional Convention what is it
36:14
article 5 or something like that the
36:16
Constitutional Convention argument I’ve
36:19
distilled it down to this politicians
36:21
have so dis I’m so poorly mangled you
36:27
know their interpretation of the
36:29
Constitution that we need to have them
36:31
rewrite it it’s the most but it drives
36:36
me nuts like I don’t I don’t and I’ll
36:39
say you know who’s gonna be in charge
36:41
right no go but we the people will make
36:43
them write it right and I’m like but you
36:45
didn’t make them enforce the current one
36:47
so what I mean right
36:49
right there it’s nonsensical to to think
36:52
that letting them I mean if you want to
36:56
if we want to go full Boogaloo and
36:58
rewrite a constitution maybe but it yeah
37:01
but if you’re just gonna have a
37:02
constitutional convention the Democrats
37:04
and Republicans are going to run the
37:06
convention and they’re gonna screw it
37:08
all up yeah I mean okay so I’ll give you
37:12
that so yeah if we’re talking like
37:14
post-revolution you know the the the you
37:17
know the remainder of the people that
37:19
are still standing you know rewrite this
37:21
thing which I would also possibly scare
37:23
scare me depending on who might yeah
37:26
depending on who survives but I could
37:27
you know something like because again
37:29
the last one was written shortly after a
37:30
revolution that obviously the the
37:32
Articles of Confederation in my mind I’m
37:35
gonna rant slightly the Articles of
37:36
Confederation were in my mind an
37:38
absolute attempt at a limited government
37:41
a government that could not directly tax
37:42
a government that basically had to you
37:45
know crowdsource stuff when it wanted it
37:47
a
37:47
government that or at least at on the
37:49
state level they could tax but on the
37:51
federal level they couldn’t tax they
37:52
could never standing army they couldn’t
37:54
you know the they needed unanimous
37:56
approval to change anything it was in my
37:59
mind like people who had just finished
38:01
shooting at British law enforcement and
38:04
said yeah we’re gonna make something way
38:05
more pared down than this the
38:07
Constitution was sort of a mix of people
38:11
who wanted to create something more
38:13
similar to Europe and people who didn’t
38:15
want that but thought that there weren’t
38:17
quite enough powers vested in the
38:19
federal government but again way better
38:22
than what the current crop of
38:24
politicians would come up with so if if
38:27
you’re if your mindset is that
38:28
politicians are ruining everything from
38:30
the from what the founders intended then
38:33
the idea that you would take those exact
38:35
same politicians and entrust with them
38:37
the ability to rewrite the damn thing
38:40
from article 1 all the way to whatever
38:43
the last amendment is is horrifying to
38:46
me oh yeah terrifying I you know I I
38:51
think you could make a purge movie out
38:53
of it or something if you know like I
38:57
don’t I don’t I don’t get it I never
38:59
will get it and and but you know what I
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40:02
tease everybody with pictures from the
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dadbod calendar oh we’re getting there
40:06
oh we’re getting there my friend so John
40:08
if you and Kim win the election can I be
40:11
your press secretary I think that’s
40:16
Kim’s job to point that so you’re asking
40:19
the wrong person
40:20
but you can fight it out with Aaron pile
40:22
now I’m gonna warn you that she bites
40:24
and that’s right oh yeah Aaron she’s
40:29
mean on those ankles I’m warning you
40:30
right now I really like my ankles too
40:35
maybe I can be undersecretary I’ll talk
40:40
with you I believe we can make that work
40:41
we can make that work I can be like the
40:43
alternate you know when Aaron’s busy I
40:46
can I just want I just want to go up
40:47
there the podium and just blast the
40:49
media even once a month I’d be okay with
40:51
but um okay well good enough so I think
40:55
we should set I think we should set that
40:56
up you know the yeah once a month spike
40:59
gets to blast the media I make it an
41:02
official policy yeah I I uh like I think
41:07
that’s a great idea we can we can live
41:08
stream
41:08
well it’ll be on c-span something off to
41:10
live stream it but no I think that’ll be
41:13
good so what would you say are your I
41:17
don’t know top I hate picking numbers
41:20
three things when you come into you know
41:22
you listen okay you get elected Kim ruff
41:27
John Phillips are you know Kim has just
41:30
given her seminal speech at the
41:32
inauguration you’re not walking into the
41:35
White House as president and vice
41:37
president what in your mind and
41:40
obviously to some extent the vice
41:41
presidential role is somewhat ceremonial
41:43
unless obviously you know Kim needed you
41:46
to step in the gap for some period of
41:48
time but in your mind
41:50
what would be your top let’s say three
41:53
priorities of a of a rough Phillips
41:55
administration or during the all the
41:58
troops home and I do mean all of them
42:00
not just the not just the ones that are
42:02
in the Middle East we would close down
42:05
bases in Germany close down bases in
42:07
Japan you know guess what if we’re
42:09
allies for those people we don’t need a
42:11
base there they should let us use theirs
42:14
that’s yeah yeah guess what have a
42:17
freebase we’re taking our stuff we’re
42:19
going home the that would be the
42:22
absolute first thing there’d be a whole
42:25
lot of pardoning of nonviolent offenders
42:27
and the biggest thing can you still hear
42:30
me kiss my from my video froze I can
42:33
hear you perfectly I’m not sure why your
42:35
video froze but you’re right it did
42:36
forget that’s right yeah it’s probably
42:40
my end I’ll get it yeah it is on your
42:42
end but that’s okay go ahead yeah no we
42:43
can hear you okay so as you hear the so
42:47
the second thing we would do is I say a
42:51
lot of partying of nonviolent offenders
42:53
but really it would come down to some
42:55
you know and I hate to use this term
42:56
executive orders there we go that is but
43:01
executive orders have reduced regulation
43:03
you know like right now that marijuana
43:07
is scheduled by the DEA well who does
43:10
the DEA work for the exact branch right
43:15
right
43:16
order some rescheduling a lot of the
43:20
medical you know a lot of people don’t
43:21
even realize how much of the medical
43:23
increase medical cost is due to Medicare
43:25
regulations and and it’s not laws passed
43:28
it’s some bureaucrat in an office saying
43:30
they’re writing these regulations yeah
43:32
no guess what start cutting those you
43:36
know a lot of things like that I think
43:38
would be would be our top three so D so
43:44
getting the troops out of everywhere
43:46
except the you everywhere bring in the
43:48
troops back deregulating just basically
43:53
massive executive orders repealing old
43:55
ones and deregulating as much as
43:57
possible and then I’m sorry what was the
43:59
third one pardon nonviolent offenders
44:01
yeah yeah that’s a big one I want to
44:04
talk about that really I want to talk
44:06
about all three of those but especially
44:07
the getting the troops home you can find
44:12
a lot of people that are cool with
44:13
bringing the troops that are fighting in
44:16
Afghanistan or Syria home for some
44:18
reason and especially I find this the
44:21
older they are if you talk about pulling
44:24
troops out of Germany or Japan or Korea
44:28
or but let’s have you talk about Korea
44:30
cuz Korea I get you know there’s a guy
44:33
and he’s a madman and he’s threatening
44:35
or whatever I still say pull him out but
44:37
I can see why someone in a statist
44:39
mindset would say you know we gotta keep
44:42
troops there because something might
44:43
blow
44:43
Germany what’s happening in Germany or
44:48
Japan and and and and often what I’ll
44:52
hear is people go well you know you
44:53
can’t trust those Germans or those Japs
44:55
and I’m like alright well then why do we
44:57
have a million troops there why are we
44:59
acting as their military if we can’t
45:01
trust them well that’s the I was taught
45:04
I was pointed out the other way around
45:05
because I’m always talking to the
45:07
Socialists about it and they’re talking
45:09
about how they have socialized Medicaid
45:11
medicate
45:13
socialized medical care over there right
45:15
right and I go well you know how they
45:17
afford it they afford it because we’re
45:18
footing the bill for their defense right
45:20
you know we shouldn’t be doing that
45:23
bring all the nervous oh oh well the if
45:24
you don’t then the rescues will come in
45:26
and they’ll do their thing really all
45:29
right this isn’t 1944 we can have planes
45:33
supersonic across the Atlantic in hours
45:37
not days and not you so you don’t need
45:43
to be there anymore
45:44
no and it’s yes we have planes and
45:47
missiles and whatever else but it’s even
45:48
deeper than that and and you know what’s
45:50
deeper than that I mean but oh I do too
45:52
I’m just that’s that’s my address that’s
45:54
how I address their room right right
45:55
right that that we don’t have to be what
45:58
is a person sitting in I’ve met people
46:00
who were stationed in Germany they’re
46:02
not sitting there waiting for the planes
46:04
to come they’re like living on a lot of
46:07
the time almost as tourists or living on
46:09
base just sitting there doing absolutely
46:11
nothing and it’s like pretending to work
46:14
on a tank while they nap underneath it
46:16
it’s a massive yeah it’s a massive
46:19
government jobs program and if your
46:22
argument is both that if your argument
46:24
is that well you know Russia might
46:26
invade well then a that’s ultimately
46:29
their problem and B I think you need to
46:32
look at the history of the fact that the
46:34
Russians aren’t this like evil monolith
46:38
any more than we are
46:40
despite all of the incursions that are
46:42
go you
46:42
you’re talking about the Russians Envy
46:43
when the last time the Russians invaded
46:46
somewhere was Afghanistan in the 1980s
46:49
or not it’s not true they recently took
46:51
a part of the Ukraine that they claim is
46:53
theirs but that’s like right next to
46:56
them the u.s. is invading every corner
47:00
of the planet who are we to talk about
47:02
oh they might invade oh you mean they
47:04
might act like us it should I don’t know
47:06
it’s right and and and they can’t seem
47:09
to understand that they can’t seem to
47:10
understand I talked to him about
47:11
creating terrorists oh well we need to
47:13
stop the terrorists we’re creating them
47:15
exactly
47:16
there were over there bombing them if
47:19
you know people get you know I was
47:21
telling somebody this the other day and
47:22
they just blew their mind and I couldn’t
47:24
believe it blew their mind Red Dawn is a
47:26
hugely popular American movie right and
47:30
I say you know what they’re fighting Red
47:34
Dawn against us right now that’s what’s
47:38
happening over there yeah yeah with the
47:40
difference being that they have
47:41
absolutely no shot against us
47:44
like they don’t have a reel in they have
47:47
a shot of making us lose the desire to
47:51
continue fighting them they don’t a shot
47:54
of actually hurting us here that’s what
47:56
you know I tell people as I say imagine
47:59
that and it sounds like you’re you’re
48:00
basically saying the same thing imagine
48:02
that and there’s that famous Ron Paul
48:04
video where he says you imagine that the
48:06
you know the Chinese you know bombed us
48:08
or something like that but imagine that
48:10
you’re in your wherever you live and you
48:12
are under the COTS every time you hear
48:14
an airplane or hear something fly over
48:17
you are in total fear because there’s
48:22
nowhere to run to hide from it if it is
48:24
a bomber you can’t go into a building
48:27
it’ll blow up the building there’s
48:29
nothing you can do you have to just
48:30
basically stand there and fear and hope
48:32
that it’s not going to that it’s not a
48:34
bomber or a drone and if it is that it’s
48:36
not going to attack you
48:37
you live in this constant state of fear
48:39
and the reason that this is is because
48:41
there’s some country government
48:43
organization whatever thousands of miles
48:45
away that sees some kind of like
48:47
geopolitical consideration in your area
48:50
has nothing to do with you or keeping
48:51
you safe or liberating you or anything
48:53
else it’s just that maybe there’s a way
48:56
in your area or there’s you know some
48:58
kind of you know you’re next to another
49:01
powerful area that they want to keep in
49:02
check or something like whatever and
49:05
because you notice that you notice that
49:07
we’re not fighting for people’s freedoms
49:09
and rights in places that don’t have any
49:12
mineral resources no yeah it despite the
49:15
fact that there are lots of countries
49:17
that have human rights oppression in
49:19
those areas
49:19
somehow we’re not fighting there yeah
49:22
it’s it’s odd it boggles the mind John
49:24
there are two two areas two two
49:26
qualifications that will keep you safe
49:28
from superpowers including the u.s. one
49:31
is to not really have much of anything
49:33
worth protecting and then two is having
49:36
nukes
49:36
which is why Iran and North Korea are
49:39
trying to get nukes but anyway or they
49:41
want them right why that why they want
49:43
them I’d want them to but so that you
49:45
know you’re constantly being attacked
49:47
you know every once in a while you know
49:49
the equivalent of a 911 happens in your
49:52
neighborhood you know every few days two
49:54
weeks where you know we just saw in
49:55
Afghanistan thirty pine nut farmers
49:57
imagine that you know a local farm gets
49:59
you know blown up in thirty people died
50:01
and your your local government is either
50:05
powerless to stop it or is complicit in
50:09
it and the only people that are fighting
50:11
against this are people who happen to
50:14
have your same faith and are convincing
50:16
you that this is a holy struggle between
50:18
you know us and these evil people
50:21
thousands of miles away they’re you know
50:24
God has has you know has put us together
50:27
in this holy biblical struggle to fight
50:29
against these people how quickly oh and
50:33
you’ve also lost countless loved ones
50:35
friends cousins you know possibly kids
50:39
parents whatever the closest people to
50:42
you you’ve lost how quickly would you
50:45
join up to join that group think of how
50:47
outraged you were on 9/11 and how quick
50:50
you were to say this is a biblical
50:51
struggle between the Christians and the
50:53
month it was one attack imagine that
50:55
happening constantly and and and now
50:58
explain to me how staying there and
51:00
continuing to bomb and continuing to
51:02
assassinate continuing to do all this
51:04
isn’t going to just make more terrorists
51:07
especially when you have the CIA arming
51:09
terror groups
51:10
well it tells me that it’s so hard for
51:12
them to understand because of how
51:13
popular resistance movies are in the
51:16
United States you know oh we’re
51:18
resisting this we’re resisting that you
51:20
know and you know this overpowering
51:22
government and we’re we’re the
51:24
resistance and we’re fighting against
51:25
this and those movies are hugely popular
51:28
United States and that they can’t
51:30
understand why other people do it yeah
51:34
ya know there’s it’s it’s a massive
51:36
cognitive dissonance we go and celebrate
51:39
groups that if they were real we’d be
51:41
calling them terrorists like the you
51:43
know you watch the Star Wars franchise
51:44
these are these are the terrorists these
51:47
are what we would call the terrorists
51:48
they literally have a religious order
51:50
where they’ve created you know and
51:51
they’re like fighting against this
51:53
massive expansive Empire um the guy who
51:57
created Star Wars Lucas he said George
51:59
Lucas yeah George Lucas he said when he
52:02
made it he was using parallels of
52:04
various you know empires of you know the
52:07
the the third right and he even included
52:09
the u.s. in Vietnam and how he used
52:13
Endor was an indoor the the with the
52:16
Ewoks and yeah and the and the he said
52:19
you know the whole point of this was to
52:20
you know the end the Ewoks were like the
52:23
Vietcong and the Empire was like the US
52:25
military and we could see this and then
52:28
somehow it doesn’t I don’t I don’t get
52:30
it but uh I also love that you’re
52:32
talking about free nonviolent offenders
52:35
I can’t stand when people are like whoa
52:37
if you’ve heard through the time don’t
52:38
do the crime and I always find that link
52:41
that’s that shows that like the average
52:43
American commits 11 felonies a week or
52:46
some ridiculous thing like right that
52:47
like we’re all committing crimes the
52:49
difference is that we haven’t been
52:52
caught and two we perceive that as being
52:56
okay but something like I think it’s
52:58
like two-thirds of people that are in
52:59
state and federal prison are there for
53:02
non victimless crimes so no one was
53:06
horror-struck no one was stolen from no
53:08
one was hurt physically no one was
53:10
killed no one was raped
53:11
no one was any of that it was either a
53:13
drug crop most of them are are drug
53:15
crimes some are
53:19
like like lying to the government or
53:22
like a you know like right like tax
53:23
evasion and stuff like that
53:24
but no one was actually hurt by any of
53:26
these things right and that’s you know
53:29
and if nobody was hurt then why I mean
53:31
first of all we’re not doing
53:33
rehabilitation anymore we’re just doing
53:34
punishment yeah and then yeah why aren’t
53:37
we doing restitution instead why are we
53:39
paying for these people to be in prison
53:44
because they sold drugs okay well first
53:49
of all the drugs shouldn’t have been
53:50
illegal to begin with that should’ve
53:52
been a crime yeah and then even if you
53:55
want to say okay it’s a crime well why
53:59
are we
53:59
you know why are we then okay you
54:01
committed a crime really you know what
54:03
the government’s real problem with that
54:04
is the root government’s problem with
54:05
that is they didn’t pay taxes on they
54:06
didn’t make any money on but they didn’t
54:08
make any money off of it yeah yeah
54:10
that’s I was actually just arguing with
54:12
my City Council the other day because
54:13
there yeah the Illinois recently is
54:15
legal er it hasn’t quite gone through
54:17
yet but the law is passed takes effect
54:19
January 1st of League marijuana
54:23
legalization in the state and I was in
54:27
the state and our city is going oh we’re
54:30
going to opt out we’re not gonna allow
54:31
anybody to sell it here and you know or
54:34
not the process of here or anything like
54:35
that well first of all living a grigora
54:36
City that doesn’t make any sense
54:38
right but the biggest thing I looked at
54:40
them and I said our population in this
54:44
city is largely african-american and the
54:46
war on drugs was based it and the Nixon
54:50
administration has now come out and
54:52
admitted that you did this yeah they
54:54
started the war on drugs to control
54:56
blacks and war protesters yep and anyway
55:03
so via so they so they’ve started this
55:06
for no real reason than to control
55:08
people and you’re gonna still want to
55:12
continue to put people in jail for it
55:13
was fight cite them for it and you know
55:15
you know I actually asked to City
55:17
Council I was like is that really the
55:18
policies you want to maintain ya know
55:21
exactly I and by the way what folks what
55:24
he’s talkin about what John’s talking
55:25
about there’s videos about this like
55:28
this isn’t you know a conspiracy theory
55:29
it is wide out in the open Nixon
55:32
officials and emissions even before that
55:35
in the 1930s and and 40s when they would
55:37
when they actually labeled it marijuana
55:39
they used the Spanish word for it
55:42
instead of cannabis which is what it was
55:43
referred to or you of reefer was like
55:45
the code the popular term for it
55:47
but they would call it marijuana and
55:49
they specifically called it marijuana
55:51
because it sounded foreign it sounded
55:54
like this dangerous thing and they would
55:55
per day would talk about you know that
55:57
that you know they would they would you
56:00
know reefer madness and they would they
56:01
had all this propaganda and it was all
56:04
to criminalized behavior that they
56:07
perceived as being done mostly by
56:08
minorities and I asked this with gun
56:11
control drug control any of this stuff
56:13
I will tell people about the fact that
56:16
historically laws especially control
56:19
laws are usually past to control
56:22
minority groups and underprivileged
56:24
groups like the like you know people
56:25
have low income and things like that and
56:27
they are disproportionately all the time
56:28
and they are disproportionately enforced
56:30
against those groups so then I I like I
56:34
like using this with gun control people
56:35
I will point out that the first gun
56:37
control laws were passed to prevent
56:39
freed slaves from owning weapons and
56:42
that you know the vast majority of
56:44
people that are in prison on gun charges
56:45
are actually even if he goes back
56:48
earlier than that the first gun control
56:49
laws were prevent it were to prevent
56:51
Native Americans from getting firearms
56:53
yeah and that as well and and then it
56:56
goes back further than that if you build
56:57
before guns with crossbows and you know
57:02
and there was you know different
57:04
countries did with limits on crossbows
57:05
to keep their Knights from getting shot
57:07
by crossbows right the the Chinese had
57:10
strict limits on gunpowder usage you
57:13
know I mean all throughout history it’s
57:14
all been to let the government control
57:17
the people
57:18
yeah and had nothing to do with safety
57:19
duh I found out riverdancing where they
57:21
were they danced with just their legs it
57:23
came about because there was some kind
57:25
of British law against dancing with your
57:27
arms because it could be used as like a
57:30
martial arts training or something like
57:31
that and so in protests they came up
57:34
with Riverdance where they just dance
57:35
really furiously with their legs
57:37
I didn’t verify if that’s true but I
57:39
believe that that’s the case but so I’ll
57:41
ask these gun control advocates I’ll say
57:43
how many more people of color do you
57:45
want Donald Trump to put
57:46
cages until you feel sufficiently safe
57:49
like what is the number how many more
57:51
black people need to be in prison black
57:53
people is panic people Native Americans
57:55
people of just poorer people that are
57:58
white as well like how many marginalized
58:01
people need to be in cages at the hands
58:03
of Donald Trump of all people before you
58:05
feel safe that you feel like you can go
58:07
outside well I’d like to ask him ok so
58:10
you’ve said that Donald Trump is little
58:12
Reid Hitler but you want Hitler to have
58:15
be the only one to have the guns
58:16
we must did we not learn something back
58:19
in the 40s and 30s did we not learn to
58:22
anything at all we must surrender our
58:25
firearms to the fascist that I want to
58:28
hashtag resist against with my you know
58:30
bare hands hey but hey people do more
58:34
people are killed with bare hands and
58:36
feet than with them with rifles so maybe
58:38
they have something yeah it’s like it’s
58:41
like less than 3% of murders are
58:43
committed by any kind of rifle much less
58:45
they know you would separate out assault
58:48
rifles because they can’t well that’s a
58:50
whole yeah I mean so one of the easiest
58:53
ways I can find if someone is has no
58:56
idea what they’re talking about with
58:57
guns is when they’ll say I want to ban
58:58
semi-automatic weapons and I’ll say so
59:02
basically anything that you can just
59:05
pull the trigger and you know and a
59:08
round boat and it fires yeah like any
59:11
any any any throw Lake anything that
59:13
isn’t like I mean even some revolvers
59:15
are technically semi-automatic because a
59:17
revolver is technically a semi-automatic
59:19
weapon
59:19
alright a lever-action a bolt-action is
59:22
not a pump shotgun it’s not and
59:24
obviously muskets and single shots or
59:26
not but right you know anything did you
59:28
pull the trigger once and you don’t have
59:30
to manually then do something else to
59:32
put another Rab in the chamber and so
59:34
that is a large percentage right yeah no
59:38
I I it’s it’s crazy the misinformation
59:41
that’s out there but so you you alluded
59:44
to it before guys for those who don’t
59:46
know John and I are going to be featured
59:49
in the upcoming libertarian dadbod
59:51
calendar John is over there on the left
59:54
he’s going to be mr. January and I’m
59:56
going to be mr. April mr. Rory a couple
60:00
sexy biatches we are that is hot okay I
60:04
may just leave that up for the rest of
60:06
the program just because I know how much
60:08
higher are our traffic will be from that
60:09
the proceeds from these calendars will
60:12
be going to help the Libertarian Party
60:13
and you can purchase your specifically
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the money’s not going to the party the
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money’s going to candidates also there
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are because there are some people out
60:24
there who object to the Libertarian
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Party getting money right now for
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various reasons okay so those people
60:32
should not feel like they have to not
60:33
buy the calendar because they can still
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buy the calendar and not give mr. Starr
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60:42
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60:44
okay fair enough so you and you can
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purchase your yours today by going to
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60:52
America need our sexy bodies hanging
60:54
from their refrigerators because we
60:57
embody freedom like that I like that
61:01
vermin supreme had a much more raunchy
61:02
answer and I appreciate yours
61:04
it’s much more family-friendly but yeah
61:07
I know that is so so your January I’m
61:10
February we’ve got Tom Arnold Liberty
61:13
clauses December December
61:15
Nick’s RoR cos is November and he he was
61:18
Bracey
61:18
he was pretty racy we’ve got Johnny
61:21
rocket oh and let’s not forget that
61:25
they’re talking about taking some of the
61:27
shots they didn’t use and doing some
61:30
one-off posters and cards and things so
61:34
there’s gonna be like if you don’t like
61:35
that picture of me there me if there’s
61:37
enough demand there’s another picture of
61:39
me next to a 55 Chevy that looks pretty
61:41
good
61:41
oh well that’s good yeah I gave them
61:43
like many pictures they have a lot of
61:48
basically my whole photo shoot because I
61:50
was out the beach with my wife for like
61:52
three hours just she’s just punishing me
61:55
out in the water
61:56
but uh because I I don’t like having my
61:59
picture taken and this was her moment to
62:01
like do everything to me that she ever
62:03
could plus I’m in the water so it’s a
62:06
fun time had by her but yeah because
62:10
libertarian dad bought calm
62:12
to check that out John you’ve been
62:16
absolutely amazing I have just so I have
62:20
some follower questions before we go to
62:22
final my fellow Americans I got four
62:24
questions for you I had a few different
62:26
ones but actually some of these are kind
62:28
of combined I sort of combined some of
62:30
these questions so I distilled it down
62:32
if you will I curated your questions
62:34
these are bespoke questions for John
62:37
Phillips jr. the first one and we kind
62:39
of touched on this you may have already
62:41
sort of answered this but you can delve
62:42
into it a little bit more what would the
62:44
first hundred days of a rough Philips
62:46
administration look like well first
62:49
under days when we talked about the
62:51
first three things so there that’s that
62:53
these then we start talking about
62:56
putting out some tax plans Kim and I go
62:59
back and forth about that you know
63:01
obviously we would all love to
63:04
completely cut out taxes because
63:06
taxation is theft but but we also you
63:09
know in a real world that’s not going to
63:11
happen especially not the first hundred
63:13
days of a brain really the but you know
63:18
I have an end goal of having all federal
63:22
fees and taxes all lumped into one so
63:25
that everybody can see there’s no hidden
63:27
stuff yeah they’re like no gas tax that
63:29
you pay at the pump none of that and
63:32
then and then making it a flat rate the
63:35
and it could be a use tax it could be a
63:40
an income tax you know pick one there’s
63:43
different arguments for both right not
63:46
the I’m not married to one but get rid
63:50
of all this you know all these hidden
63:51
things that we don’t even know we’re
63:53
paying for right I think and man when we
63:59
bring those troops home obviously then
64:00
we use that money savings which I mean
64:03
even just bombs alone you know bombing
64:05
in the Middle East was what six trillion
64:07
dollars yeah yeah yeah the federal
64:10
budget you know here’s here’s a little
64:11
for a put in perspective for people that
64:13
they don’t think about six trillion
64:14
dollars just on bonds in the least
64:16
nothing else just on bonds yeah our
64:18
federal deficit right now is twenty
64:20
three trillion dollars right so over one
64:25
quarter
64:26
of our deficit is bombs you know so you
64:34
know so they’re so that’s a big part of
64:36
our first an you know to take care of
64:39
those things yeah there’d be a lot of
64:41
time spent you know because we say
64:44
pardon all nonviolent offenders but
64:45
people don’t realize that’s actually a
64:47
complicated process
64:48
yeah the you know you don’t just go oh
64:51
okay I’m gonna harden Jim Bob and Harry
64:54
you’ve actually you’ve got to do some
64:56
paperwork there’s yeah and it’s millions
64:59
of them – yeah yeah right and then so
65:02
yeah that would be a long process
65:04
obviously there’d be some big names
65:06
first I mean we’d welcome Snowden home
65:08
with open arms yeah some things like
65:10
that
65:12
we’ve work on there’d be like there’d be
65:14
a whole bunch of hey we can’t do this
65:17
anymore
65:18
not extending executive authority but
65:21
okay you’ve already gone way over what
65:24
executive authority is supposed to be we
65:26
can’t do that anymore we can’t you know
65:28
alright we’re gonna stop that spying
65:30
crap stop this you know some of that you
65:34
don’t have to go through Congress but
65:35
there are things that we can do that you
65:39
know like I said talk to the DEA talk to
65:41
the you know you could turn around and
65:44
tell the Attorney General okay we’re
65:46
gonna freeze any prosecution of these
65:48
offenses that that’d be the whole you
65:52
know and then we go Tim wants to start
65:54
with a forensic audit of the attorney
65:58
general’s office I don’t necessarily
66:00
object to that because obviously there
66:02
you know there’s civil asset forfeiture
66:04
right there
66:05
that’d be first that’d be right there
66:06
but that is an order that we could get
66:09
to end all residence and forfeiture yeah
66:12
the president could turn the ax to tell
66:14
the Attorney General you will cease the
66:16
activity called civil action forfeiture
66:19
you will cease that because what people
66:22
don’t realize yeah I mean you know a lot
66:23
of the local governments are getting the
66:25
blame but they only get to do that
66:26
because they’re working with the federal
66:28
government so as soon as we Yankel
66:31
authority on that boom that process ends
66:33
and that is an order that they’ve said
66:35
the president could get so all right
66:38
that’s a lot of things that’s a
66:40
yeah I was gonna say that’s an that’s an
66:41
aggressive three or four months that you
66:43
could do another thing you can do with
66:44
civil asset forfeiture because you can’t
66:46
buy executive Fiat ban it at the state
66:49
and local level what you can’t say is
66:50
the you know Department of Justice won’t
66:53
cooperate with a state or look you know
66:56
any municipality that does engage in
66:58
civil asset forfeiture so that my
67:02
understanding of civil asset forfeiture
67:03
is that all those local agencies that do
67:06
it actually do it are doing it in
67:08
cooperation with the Federals okay they
67:11
don’t have the authority to do it
67:13
without that oh okay well then so you
67:16
know I could be Miss concur echt on that
67:18
but that was my reading of it and if we
67:21
did so if we told the Justice Department
67:24
to stop that pretty much done yeah yeah
67:28
yeah yeah that would definitely that’d
67:31
be a great three or four months of a
67:34
rough Phillips administration here’s
67:36
another question that was many questions
67:38
merged together Wow four or five anyway
67:41
um that said what are your goals
67:44
basically what are your goals I didn’t
67:46
write this very well I merged it and
67:49
didn’t write it well what are your what
67:52
is your priority of goals in this in
67:56
terms of a percentage of your of your
67:58
campaign between actually trying to run
68:01
to win the presidency and running to
68:04
spread a message and use earned media as
68:06
a political campaign to try to spread
68:08
libertarianism that’s a tough question
68:11
because they’re they’re really
68:13
intertwined okay the as we’re spreading
68:16
the message obviously we’re hoping that
68:18
that helps us win via America I was
68:22
actually watching another podcast last
68:23
night and was laughing at at another
68:26
certain candidate who shall remain
68:27
nameless who has come over from the
68:29
Republican Party who is he has picked up
68:32
our talking point of focusing on down
68:34
ticket candidates right we started with
68:37
that last year
68:38
and so a lot of our focus will be on
68:41
down ticket candidates and we’re hoping
68:43
that that’s basically a twofer
68:44
is that we get some coverage out of it
68:47
they get some coverage out of it and
68:48
that and that it works that way and so
68:51
it’s hard to set up
68:53
percentage like that because the the
68:57
message is very important and the
68:59
message is what people need to hear and
69:01
the message we believe is also what
69:03
should get a libertarian administration
69:06
elected and a libertarian count City
69:09
Council member or county board member or
69:11
mayor and so I plan on spending a lot of
69:15
time traveling around to more local
69:18
events because let’s be real it’s gonna
69:21
be a fight to get on the Today Show
69:23
right but if we can go and go to Decatur
69:28
Illinois and get the local station WCIA
69:33
which is not actually the local station
69:35
but they’re the ones that actually cover
69:37
stuff to cover our event here then
69:41
that’s our then we’ve got that coverage
69:43
here right and we go to Denver and get a
69:45
local station in Denver to cover it more
69:48
people watch those local news stations
69:49
than anything else anyway that’s eight
69:53
there is a subset of people that are
69:55
glued to Fox News and CNN and people
69:58
like that most normal people if they’re
70:00
getting news it’s at the end of the
70:01
night or the early morning before they
70:03
go to work or you know after they eat or
70:05
whatever or late at night from their
70:07
local which which pipes in from national
70:09
as well but I mean they’re getting it
70:11
from local sources and I think a kim
70:14
ruff john phillips campaign saying bold
70:17
stuff if for no other reason than to try
70:20
to bring you on to you know say how dare
70:23
you think stuff like that could get you
70:24
that state national attention as well so
70:27
i could actually see that happening we
70:29
have a comment from Fotini henderson who
70:31
said do you guys know that deficit is a
70:33
meaningless trope to status that i know
70:35
all the money is already available just
70:38
have to appropriate it for
70:39
redistribution how dare you say it’s
70:41
yours that is a obviously there’s a lot
70:44
of education issues that people don’t
70:47
realize what the deficit is what it
70:49
actually means the fact that 23 and
70:52
counting trillion dollars has been run
70:56
up in your name your kids name your
70:59
grandkids big damn quick let me i I made
71:01
an error earlier and I’ve got an every
71:03
in the media and everybody has bad habit
71:06
to do
71:07
this I got is deficit instead of debt oh
71:10
I did you know yeah and yes so we’ve got
71:14
we’ve got 23 billion trillion dollars in
71:16
debt yeah so one quarter of our debt is
71:20
Unbounce but yeah and everybody uses
71:23
those terms so interchangeably but they
71:24
are not really the same thing
71:26
so yeah and and I didn’t pick up on that
71:29
so I’m and I said it too so I’m but so
71:31
yeah so deficit is the amount that is
71:33
added to the debt basically every year
71:35
the debt is the total amount so when
71:37
you’ll hear a politician say I cut the
71:39
deficit by 20% what they’re saying is we
71:42
ran up 20 percent less new debt this
71:45
year than we did last year but there’s
71:47
still more debt doesn’t mean that the
71:49
debt is less so date but thank you
71:51
because I didn’t catch that either
71:53
here’s a question that was emerging of
71:57
about eight different question how do
71:59
libertarians fight this impulse within
72:01
the party to beg so-called respectable
72:03
usually Republicans but respectable
72:06
establishment candidates to run in the
72:08
Libertarian Party well let’s talk about
72:11
yeah because most of that is based on
72:14
two things name recognition in month
72:17
okay I made the two go hand-in-hand and
72:20
what I like to remind people is to a
72:21
certain degree name recognition is what
72:24
we make it the you know if like for
72:30
instance I’m constantly on the National
72:32
Party right now that we’re not promoting
72:33
our current candidates even if I even if
72:35
we left me out of it via Democrats and
72:38
Republicans are promoting you know their
72:41
candidates two years before the election
72:43
right we’re not but and we see all these
72:47
people going oh we’re not getting behind
72:49
a candidate now well that’s why we lose
72:52
because Democrats or Republicans people
72:56
have been people got behind Kamala
72:58
Harris eight months ago told snob or
73:01
Sanders or anything yeah right so so yep
73:03
and so we’ve got that issue but the
73:06
other issue is is that you know they
73:08
they’re so stuck on this name
73:10
recognition what they don’t remember is
73:12
that most these people didn’t have name
73:14
recognition one way or the other until
73:17
all of a sudden they did and how did
73:19
they get it
73:20
they got it by people talking about that
73:22
so we’ve got I think last count
73:26
approximately 14,000 national members
73:29
and then every state has a bunch of
73:31
state members that are not national
73:33
members and I mean a bunch the the vast
73:36
majority of state members are not
73:38
national members actually okay every
73:41
single one of those people went out and
73:43
started talking about our candidates now
73:48
that’s how you get name recognition I
73:50
went to go here’s a couple stories for
73:52
you uh Obama I am from Illinois yeah I
73:58
live in Illinois I didn’t have a
74:01
freaking clue who Obama was until he
74:05
started running for president when I
74:06
live here yeah we went and you know the
74:12
big name that everybody trying to
74:13
recruit right now is Justin Amash and I
74:15
love Justin Justin Amash do not get me
74:17
wrong this is not a criticism of him at
74:18
all except oh he’s got my name
74:21
recognition okay I went and did an
74:25
individual poll calling people I know in
74:28
different states that I know are
74:29
conservatives and say hey what do you
74:31
think about Justin Amash who who the
74:36
people in Michigan knew who he was
74:38
a couple people a bunch of people in
74:40
Libertarian Party knew who he was most
74:43
Republicans were going I don’t know who
74:45
the hell you’re talking about dude oh is
74:47
that that guy that was talking crap
74:48
about Trump oh yeah right it’s kind of a
74:50
dick but but that you know everybody’s
74:52
talking about crap about Trump so we
74:53
just kind of he just tuned him out right
74:56
the but name recognition happens because
75:00
people start talking if you want name
75:02
recognition start talking now get behind
75:05
a candidate now if you don’t like one of
75:07
the current candidates start your own
75:10
committee to recruit one that you do
75:11
like I mean some of the Justin Amash
75:14
people have tried that you know and
75:15
they’re working on that and hey if they
75:17
get success you know I have a different
75:20
strategy if we got him to come over in
75:21
mind that we don’t need to go into that
75:23
right now
75:23
right but the but actually start talking
75:26
get out there and do it get out and you
75:29
know that’s how we get American you
75:31
should start if every libertarian in the
75:33
country
75:33
wrote a letter to their editor talking
75:35
about about different their favorite
75:38
Libertarian candidate yeah their
75:39
favorite libertarian candidates and you
75:43
know and one tenth of those got
75:45
published we would be in papers all over
75:47
the country you know that’s that’s so
75:49
this is something I’ve only briefly
75:51
thought about and touched on so we have
75:54
a show on tuesdays matt right and i
75:57
called the money waters of freedom and
75:58
that’s sort of a topical show where we
76:00
talk about the week’s events and the
76:02
vast majority of the time we’re talking
76:04
about what either a Republican or a
76:06
Democrat said or did and then applying
76:09
libertarian ideology to why that was bad
76:11
usually that’s it’s usually the format
76:14
of the show of is us talking about stuff
76:15
and then explaining you know the
76:17
libertarian argument behind that very
76:19
rarely are we actually talking about
76:21
libertarians and what they’ve done it
76:25
happens but I’d say probably maybe
76:27
fifteen percent of our talking is about
76:29
what a libertarian said or done and
76:31
that’s much higher than like you know
76:33
the average podcast or show it’s
76:37
certainly on on news it’s it’s you know
76:39
less than one bit right basically my
76:42
suggestion it take it and take her to
76:44
leave it yeah is use both talked about
76:49
those Democrats and Republicans and then
76:51
set you know call you know say hey we’re
76:54
good you know call it Kim call it me
76:55
call up Arvind call up Adam say hey this
76:59
week we’re gonna be talking about this
77:01
thing that this Democrat did what’s your
77:04
take on it and get a statement that’s an
77:08
idea and then you can say okay hey we’re
77:10
talking about what the Democrat did and
77:11
here’s what the libertarian says instead
77:13
oh we talked about this Republican you
77:15
know and just you’ve intertwine it so
77:17
that you’re not running because if you
77:19
start talking about libertarians too
77:20
much the people who only like Democrats
77:22
or Republicans are going to start to
77:23
yeah right right right they start if you
77:26
if you start intertwining it and talking
77:29
about these things then all of a sudden
77:30
people more people are hearing that’s an
77:34
excellent point we’ve actually gotten
77:35
stuff from Dan Berman he’s actually made
77:36
videos and and he’s written a couple
77:38
things as well that we’ve that we’ve had
77:40
featured that’s actually an excellent I
77:42
I’m I’m gonna steal your idea that
77:44
you’ve well I guess you gave it to me so
77:45
I’m not gonna steal it but uh
77:47
actually reach out for for reactions
77:50
especially on national level stuff
77:52
because or even on local level stuff
77:54
because yes I mean ninety-nine point
77:57
whatever percent of elected officials
77:59
and and officials in general or
78:00
Republicans or Democrats so you have to
78:02
cover that if you’re covering current
78:04
events you have to cover but that’s an
78:05
excellent opportunity to get Libertarian
78:07
Party people in just libertarians and
78:09
anarchists and whoever in general get
78:10
their reactions to it so that you can
78:12
actually include not just the idea the
78:15
philosophy and the ideology behind it
78:17
but the actual individual people so that
78:19
can drive the cop that’s a great I’m
78:20
gonna start doing that thank you John um
78:21
so here is the next acquit question
78:24
besides the first and second amendments
78:28
what would you say is the most important
78:29
amendment after those I know I this is
78:35
my only gotcha question for you this is
78:38
I mean it’s not really a god to question
78:40
I mean it’s a priority question they’re
78:42
all important I mean I’m really a big
78:44
fan of the Fourth and Fifth Amendment’s
78:46
yeah but really I have to say that if
78:48
you’re gonna pick the most important one
78:50
after those two it’s the tenth yeah
78:53
that’s what I was gonna I was wondering
78:55
if you were gonna go there yeah so the
78:57
tenth amendment for those who don’t know
78:58
is the basically says that anything that
79:00
isn’t specifically given as it delegated
79:04
as a power to the federal government in
79:06
the Constitution is left to the states
79:09
or to the people basically meaning if
79:11
the feds haven’t been told specifically
79:13
in this document that they should be
79:14
doing it then it will be left either to
79:16
the states or to just people individuals
79:19
for to do themselves that is a woefully
79:22
over overlooked amendment obviously but
79:26
it’s yeah they they don’t just over look
79:28
at they they stay oh it’s like the
79:30
cartoons with the guy peeing on it you
79:33
know put that on the back you all the
79:35
Democrats the Republicans should put
79:36
that in the back of their car with their
79:38
guys sitting there peeing on the Tenth
79:39
Amendment because that’s what they’ve
79:40
done that’s a good boy that’s a good
79:42
point
79:43
I so I mean it started with let’s start
79:47
with many things but basically as soon
79:49
as the courts and Congress figured out
79:52
that they could just construe the word
79:54
commerce to mean anything they want
79:57
they’ve just used that use that as a no
79:59
all the Commerce Clause allows us to
80:01
tell you to do whatever’s won the
80:04
Commerce won and to promote the general
80:06
welfare yeah that’s the other one yeah
80:09
the reason that it’s actually called
80:11
welfare in the u.s. is because they were
80:15
alluding to the mention of welfare the
80:17
general welfare in the in the
80:20
Constitution but that didn’t the general
80:22
welfare didn’t mean robbing everyone and
80:24
giving some of it back to them if they
80:26
absent amendment specifically says if
80:28
it’s not specifically given to you
80:30
not if it’s alluded to right right right
80:33
yeah and so they started seizing all
80:35
these things that maybe maybe maybe
80:38
there’s an illusion to which there isn’t
80:40
even really that but you’re still didn’t
80:42
you didn’t specifically get that power
80:44
so you shouldn’t be doing it right
80:45
exactly exactly so if you this kind of
80:49
alludes back to the the thing about you
80:51
know finding respectable big-name
80:53
Republicans if you get the libertarian
80:55
nomination for Vice President will you
80:57
endorse Hillary Clinton somebody
81:04
obviously isn’t following my Twitter if
81:07
you would like to follow my Twitter it
81:09
is mildly amusing it’s at a GE TT IL
81:13
that’s my individual Twitter and that’s
81:16
a that’s an old gamertag but the yes I
81:21
constantly go after Hillary Clinton and
81:23
I’ve started recently occasionally using
81:25
the hashtag don’t suicide oh that’s
81:29
right yeah oh yeah yeah so I know I will
81:33
not endorse Hillary Clinton
81:35
I will not endorse bill weld I will not
81:38
say that I am voting for him and in a
81:40
primary election I will not do any of
81:44
those things I I will never understand
81:49
what Gary Johnson was thinking like
81:51
there was momentum behind either Austin
81:54
Peterson or Larry sharp to be the vice
81:57
presidential nominee and I guess he was
82:02
he it was like a friend of his or
82:03
something like I mean he came out it you
82:05
know they were feeling well they were
82:06
they were friends and they and they and
82:08
they’d known of each other for a long
82:09
time and they had similar backgrounds
82:10
the previous Republicans
82:14
both to term governors all that kind of
82:16
stuff I mean that yeah they had some
82:17
stuff in common I I am NOT a bill weld
82:23
hater okay but I think that bill weld
82:26
should have spent quite a bit more time
82:28
than the party before he became that
82:30
high on the list simply because he he
82:35
obviously doesn’t get a few things yeah
82:38
it was it felt like he was using it as a
82:42
sort of protest position to advocate
82:46
against Donald Trump which okay great
82:48
that’s what you’re doing because you’re
82:50
running for vice president as in another
82:53
party but to go as far as to say well
82:56
yeah if you don’t like us you should
82:58
look at Hillary Clinton anyone hate her
83:04
but that just seemed like he took the
83:07
blood sweat tears and money of a lot of
83:09
really dedicated people and said you
83:11
know screw you I’m just ya know I was
83:17
not okay with that that was my wife will
83:19
tell you about the times that I stood up
83:21
and screamed at the TV for one little
83:24
thing or another it was that there was a
83:26
time when they was on Stassi when they
83:29
asked when they brought out the gotcha
83:30
lady about the the kid who had died of a
83:34
heroin overdose and he didn’t stand he
83:36
didn’t stand firm and said hey I’m sorry
83:38
that happened that happened because of
83:41
the black market right it would have
83:44
been at your simple answer and and
83:46
addressed her concerns and shown that we
83:50
do care and yes this is why we want to
83:52
fix your problem we do care about that
83:54
problem this is how you solve that
83:56
problem and we can prove it and because
83:59
we can look at historical data and we
84:01
can look at Portugal and so we can prove
84:03
that this will greatly reduce the
84:04
likelihood of people like your son dying
84:06
of an overdose and the and he totally
84:12
dropped the ball on that one that was
84:14
staying or screaming at the TV yeah a
84:16
couple things like that
84:17
you know I mean you know the funny thing
84:19
is just the ones that he was famous for
84:20
weren’t even that big a deal except that
84:22
they got edited and cut and blown ladder
84:24
like a leper right oh one Lepidus
84:27
stupid thing ten seconds he had
84:29
ten-second brain fart because you know I
84:32
mean let’s be real first of all it was a
84:34
big change in conversation it’s like if
84:36
you turned around and asked me about
84:38
Princess Bride right now right but not
84:41
actually but not mentioning the Princess
84:44
Bride mentioning like whatever Andre the
84:47
Giant’s character was just using his
84:48
name like well what do you think about
84:49
what you know I know I feel bad but I
84:52
love the princess
84:53
what’s that physic magic what you know
84:56
what about when Fezzik you know was you
84:58
know what what do you think about what
84:59
he did and it’s like huh oh my god you
85:03
don’t know Fezzik is like I mean that
85:05
that’s or he doesn’t even know what the
85:07
Princess Bride it like that’s that whole
85:08
thing and then and then you a lot of
85:12
people don’t realize is there’s a lot of
85:14
things they like I don’t like to watch
85:16
the news I like to read the news and so
85:19
there’s a lot of times where I will hear
85:22
a word spoken that I’ve never heard
85:24
spoken before I’ve only read and in my
85:27
reading because it’s a foreign word I
85:29
will pronounce it differently in my head
85:32
then they do when they speak it and so I
85:36
don’t process it right away oh yeah and
85:40
then on top of that ten seconds later he
85:43
gave an outstanding response which no
85:46
one covered no one no one cover in that
85:49
part right no no because they wanted
85:51
they wanted to make him look bad
85:52
that was yep he was starting to build
85:55
some momentum he was starting to come up
85:57
in the polls oh well we can’t have this
86:01
let’s find something to hammer him on
86:04
and you know and I don’t it’d be to be
86:05
fair I don’t think the TV host did it
86:07
intentionally he even came out and
86:09
apologized afterwards I’m not trying to
86:11
blame him
86:12
yeah I’m trying to blame the media that
86:13
picked up on it afterwards yeah well I
86:15
mean what were the two things people
86:16
remember he didn’t know what a leper was
86:18
and Bill well told everyone to vote for
86:20
Hillary basically like that list you
86:22
know and so the narrative was Gary
86:24
Johnson such a moron that his own vice
86:25
president doesn’t want you to vote for
86:27
him so vote for Hillary which clearly
86:29
pert worked gangbusters guys by the way
86:31
there’s a correction in the in the
86:33
comments
86:34
Keith’s salient Salinger I hope I’m
86:37
saying your name correctly Keith he says
86:39
not to nitpick but why does it say VP
86:41
nominee
86:41
no-one’s been nominated yet unless I
86:43
miss something that is my I’m sorry
86:45
Keith he is running for the John is
86:49
running for the vice presidential
86:50
nomination so that is waiting night
86:52
yeah we don’t said nominee yeah yeah no
86:55
yeah no that wasn’t anything he told me
86:57
to put her whatever I put that on it and
86:59
the you know that’s something I do right
87:00
before I go live as I add the title and
87:02
name so I apologize that is definitely
87:04
my fault Kerry Bittner says I appreciate
87:08
that you won’t endorse someone else
87:09
while running that’s good so thank you
87:12
for that so we have one one last
87:16
question I think and then we will go to
87:18
my final my fellow Americans so is there
87:23
any part of government that you think is
87:25
necessary and couldn’t be provided by
87:28
the free market and this is the long
87:30
term long term I’m trying to think of
87:40
one
87:41
no can be your answer if you don’t think
87:43
no I don’t think there is I think there
87:46
are I mean you know for a very long term
87:49
I think that some would currently be
87:52
better but even then I question my even
87:56
my own judgment on that simply because
87:57
it’s like okay well they’re only be
88:00
better as long as we treat them straight
88:01
cliff strictly limited like judiciary
88:04
right okay I you know do I really want
88:09
to have private judges at least
88:12
short-term right that would be tight you
88:15
know maybe lay down in the distant
88:17
future but but even you know I mean
88:21
there are instances of private police
88:22
forces you I mean you got to be careful
88:25
with it but it does work around private
88:27
fire departments work obviously private
88:30
roads work all the time because we have
88:32
all kinds of them all over the place
88:34
right right so you know judiciary and
88:38
I’m not a huge fan of prisons for profit
88:41
but honestly part of that’s if I there
88:44
would be a lot less people going to
88:46
prison under my watch
88:47
so exactly in a true free market you’re
88:50
not gonna see that many people in prison
88:51
because it’s not profitable like it’s
88:52
only profitable if you have a coercive
88:54
thieving entity
88:55
robbing everyone to pay for it in a in a
88:57
market system people aren’t gonna want
89:00
to have to pay that kind of money to
89:02
imprison people unless it’s absolutely
89:04
absolute dangers to what you know
89:07
they’re murderers they’re rapists or
89:09
whatever you know then maybe then and I
89:10
think even there a lot of people are
89:12
gonna say maybe not with murderers
89:13
and-and-and the worst most unrepentant
89:15
rapists but for a lot of even violent
89:17
offenders that it would be better
89:19
long-term and less costly to try to
89:22
rehabilitate them so no III but I I
89:24
agree with you on that so here is my
89:26
fellow my final my fellow Americans
89:30
basically what final my fellow Americans
89:32
is is that I I give you 30 seconds which
89:36
usually is not nearly long enough time
89:39
to answer but ultimately I you can take
89:44
as long as you want but I try to create
89:45
the feeling of urgency by giving you 30
89:48
seconds and I’m gonna ask you a series
89:51
of questions what your question is gonna
89:52
be is I’m going to name a department and
89:59
you can tell me if well a lot of these
90:04
you’d probably eliminate but assuming
90:05
that you can’t eliminate them who would
90:07
be your ideal person to be in heading
90:11
that department and you can pick fellow
90:13
libertarians you can pick people that
90:16
you think would do a terrible job so
90:17
that you know that you know no one would
90:19
want it however you want to do it so let
90:21
me know when you’re ready and I will I
90:22
will start Oh put me on the spot here
90:25
okay go ahead this is like the least
90:27
serious part so don’t feel bad so okay
90:30
30 seconds on the clock good luck
90:33
Department of Justice
90:37
but Napolitano that’s a good one
90:40
Department of Agriculture oh that’s a
90:44
Cheech and Chong Department of Commerce
90:51
Hubb little gates I like that Department
90:56
of Homeland Security I’d eliminate that
91:00
Joker uh let’s uh
91:02
Bozo the Clown I like that we’ve got two
91:07
more here Department of Defense I I’ve
91:13
long said I would put Larry sharp there
91:16
okay and then Department of
91:19
Transportation that’s a good question
91:23
you don’t musk these are good I
91:27
especially like the Cheech and Chong one
91:29
but these were all good and the only
91:31
reason you didn’t get it in 30 seconds
91:33
was because I kept laughing so I thought
91:35
I was laughing too so those all right
91:37
well well you nailed that and that was
91:41
great so John thank you again for coming
91:44
on thank you for your patience and us
91:46
having to constantly reschedule this I
91:48
hope that you feel like it paid off as
91:50
well as I feel like it did I think this
91:52
was great I’m really glad that you came
91:53
on I think I think was good good time
91:55
talking to you and you know I can’t
91:57
really hold you accountable for
91:59
Hurricane delays
92:00
I appreciate that hurricane delays and I
92:02
think there was one time it was you and
92:03
then there were a couple times so I
92:04
appreciate it I hope to have you on
92:07
again in the in the future are you gonna
92:08
be in a Florence for the debate in
92:11
November yeah yeah okay perfect so
92:15
you’ll meet me there I will be I will be
92:18
there Matt right and I hear let me plug
92:20
something real quick Matt right and I on
92:22
November 2nd we’ll be doing the official
92:25
commentary for the South Carolina
92:27
Libertarian Party debate I if I were
92:30
smart I’d have some graphic that I put
92:32
up right now but I don’t you would I
92:33
would yes well yeah well while we’re
92:36
plugging things you can of course donate
92:38
to ruff Phillips at ruff Phillips 2020
92:40
dot-com but I also have my own websites
92:43
john phillips for liberty dot-com
92:45
spelled out and you can donate to my
92:48
vice presidential campaign there
92:50
directly because because we have to
92:52
campaign technically separately we have
92:55
two different committees Oh see I didn’t
92:58
even think of that so okay I’m actually
92:59
gonna give you a chance right now to
93:00
give your final thoughts and you can
93:02
plug anything else you want to so I give
93:04
you as much time as you
93:05
anything that you feel like we didn’t
93:07
get to cover anything additionally that
93:08
you want to plug anything you want to
93:10
say you have as much time as you want
93:11
John Phillips jr. the floor is yours
93:15
give me as much time as I want that’s it
93:18
but I’m gonna I’m gonna go there’s an
93:20
app actually and I’m just gonna leave
93:21
there’s actually one thing that I want
93:23
to talk about because it’s very big on
93:25
the social media right now okay and it’s
93:27
been going on for a while it is a slew
93:31
of people I don’t like this person so
93:35
I’m leaving the National Party I’m not
93:37
giving any more money at the National
93:39
Party I don’t like this group of people
93:41
I don’t like that I would ask you to
93:44
reconsider anybody who’s thinking about
93:47
doing that I would ask you to reconsider
93:49
you can give your money directly to a
93:52
specific cause like say ballot access or
93:55
right candidate supports things like
93:59
that so you’re not giving it to support
94:00
a person that you don’t like but I also
94:04
would say that okay you think this
94:07
person’s crazy this person is a clown
94:09
this person shouldn’t be representing
94:11
the party so why would you then let them
94:15
represent the party instead of stepping
94:17
up and showing how they’re not the only
94:20
people that the party represents right
94:22
right stand up show that you know you
94:26
don’t like the audacious caucus stand up
94:29
and show that there are professional
94:30
people you don’t like the pragmatic
94:34
caucus stand up and show that there’s
94:35
radical people you don’t like the
94:36
radical people stand up and show that
94:38
there’s pragmatic people show that we’re
94:41
a big tent show that we can embrace all
94:44
these views and we can disagree but we
94:45
can still work in the same cause and we
94:47
can still work together stop bailing out
94:51
just because this guy in Philadelphia
94:55
said some nasty things okay whether you
94:58
agree with him or not why would you
95:00
abandon thousands of people because of
95:03
what one guy did right join the National
95:07
Party make some donations donate to
95:09
specific things if you have to right if
95:12
there’s not a cause that you want to
95:15
donate to on the list sending me an
95:17
email we’ll see if we can start a fund
95:19
for
95:19
and then you can donate it directly
95:21
donate to your candidates don’t walk
95:23
away from your candidates if you don’t
95:24
want to donate to me pick another one
95:26
pick a local one stop walking away from
95:29
the party just because somebody’s an
95:31
idiot there’s lots of idiots out there
95:32
some people think I’m one I think some
95:35
other people are one stop walking away
95:37
from the party for that because every
95:39
group has them you’re never gonna get
95:41
anything done that way yeah that’s a
95:45
good point if you you know read the
95:47
party platform if you agree with that
95:49
platform and think that there is an
95:51
electoral component to freeing people
95:53
cuz I know I know many in Turkish who
95:55
say it’s a complete waste of time and
95:57
you know democracy is you know failure
96:00
and and you know there’s no way we can
96:01
vote ourselves to freedom okay fine if
96:02
you don’t believe that then don’t
96:04
believe it but if you do think that
96:05
there is a component not not necessarily
96:07
the whole thing but that there is a
96:08
component that can be played with
96:09
electoral politics instead of
96:11
ragequitting the the organization that
96:14
you agree with because of people or
96:16
groups in it that you don’t like if you
96:18
don’t like the Mises caucus if you don’t
96:19
like the audacious caucus the socialist
96:21
caucus the radical caucus them whatever
96:24
I I was recently invited to join the
96:26
Russian spy caucus of the libertarian
96:28
right they said if you if you don’t and
96:29
I’m a member
96:30
proud member bep ski boot ski if you if
96:33
you don’t if you don’t support these
96:35
things then go in and vote them out and
96:38
and or at least make yourself known on
96:40
it so I agree with you on that
96:42
we actually before I let you go we have
96:44
some some good comments Kerry Bittner
96:48
said put me in charge of a department we
96:50
want to drastically shrink or where you
96:52
want me to work myself out of a job
96:54
Michelle and Renee I’m sorry if I’m
96:58
saying your names wrong I apologize
97:00
wants to be in the head up the
97:02
Department of Labor I think for the same
97:04
reason let’s me show McCutcheon she does
97:07
that for a living so she can good at
97:08
that okay perfect so these are the these
97:11
are the people you can add and I can be
97:13
the Undersecretary of all turning
97:15
alternating days of yelling at the press
97:18
in whatever that office is called so
97:20
John again thank you so much for your
97:22
time I had an absolute blast I hope to
97:25
have you on soon that was a lot of fun
97:27
so thank you again and guys thank you
97:29
for to know if you can just wait a
97:31
minute I’m going to talk to you during
97:32
the out
97:33
but thank you again guys thank you again
97:36
for tuning in to this very special
97:37
episode of my fellow Americans all of my
97:39
episodes are very special but especially
97:41
this one be sure to tune in next week on
97:44
Tuesday for the muddy waters of freedom
97:46
I think I think that’s our special we’re
97:51
having a special that’s only going to be
97:53
on the float app so that’s float dot app
97:55
slash muddy bloody waters media slash
97:58
live we’re gonna be covering the
98:01
democratic debate it’s only gonna be on
98:02
float because all the other apps would
98:04
knock us off for showing copyrighted
98:07
content even though it is fair usual are
98:09
you gonna live cover the democratic
98:10
debate yeah that will be fun I
98:14
live-tweeted it last time and or not
98:15
last time it’s time before that and yeah
98:17
watching those guys who just turn over
98:19
deserve blast
98:20
it’s the bit it’s like it’s like Mystery
98:22
Science Theater 3000 except the monsters
98:24
are actually trying to harm you and so
98:28
we did dem again one and Emma get into
98:30
which are the Democratic debates but
98:32
then YouTube really hit us hard for that
98:35
so we’re not gonna do that anymore but
98:36
it’s gonna be on float and I think
98:38
that’s on Tuesday I’m not sure and if
98:40
it’s not then just tune in for a regular
98:42
role episode of the muddy waters of
98:43
freedom where Matt and I parse through
98:45
the week’s news like the sweet little
98:48
autumn cherubs that we are and then tune
98:50
it again actually I you know what I’m
98:54
not sure if I’m doing an episode I may
98:56
or may not be doing an episode you’re
98:58
not going to believe whether or not I’m
98:59
doing an episode Wednesday next
99:01
Wednesday to be sure to tune in one way
99:02
or the other guys thanks again for
99:03
tuning in god bless you
99:06
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Spike Cohen
Spike Cohen
Local Jew. Contrarian stoic sentimentalist. Antidisestablishmentarianism. Will pet your dog.