(((My Fellow Americans))) #47: So To Speak With TJ Roberts

For a while, Spike has wanted to clear up some of the confusion and misconceptions (and outright falsehoods) regarding the concept of physical removal as espoused by Hans Hermann-Hoppe and others. And who better to help him do it than the Vice President of the Liberty Institute for Freedom and Economics, TJ Roberts? TJ was previously the Managing Editor of Liberty Hangout, the Campus Coodinator for Students for Rand Paul and other campaigns, he's a Contributor to Advocates for Self-Government and is routinely involved in several campaigns.


About This Episode


For a while, Spike has wanted to clear up some of the confusion and misconceptions (and outright falsehoods) regarding the concept of physical removal as espoused by Hans Hermann-Hoppe and others. And who better to help him do it than the Vice President of the Liberty Institute for Freedom and Economics, TJ Roberts?

TJ was previously the Managing Editor of Liberty Hangout, the Campus Coodinator for Students for Rand Paul and other campaigns, he’s a Contributor to Advocates for Self-Government and is routinely involved in several campaigns.

If the reaction from my followers is any indication, this should be a hell of a show.

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TJ’s Article about Physical Removal

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tonight has had quite the career in an
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incredibly short period of time he was
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the managing editor of Liberty hangout
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and the campus coordinator for students
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for Rand Paul he’s worked on multiple
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campaigns including the Savannah Maddox
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for a Statehouse campaign he’s currently
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the vice president of the Liberty
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Institute of freedom and economics he’s
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a contributor for the advocates for
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self-government ladies and gentlemen
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please welcome to the show mr. TJ
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Roberts TJ thank you so much for joining
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us tonight
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thanks for having me on Spike yeah I’m
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really excited to have you on it’s great
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having you on if the response that I got
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from my announcement that you were
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coming on the show is any indication
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we’re both in for a hell of a ride so I
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look forward to it all right well let’s
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go with that
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yeah so guys be sure
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comment with your thoughts and questions
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and TJ and I will let you know if you
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are right or wrong now TJ this is your
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first time on the show and anytime I
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have a guest on for the first time I
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always ask as my first question what
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brought you to libertarianism would you
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say it was like an aha moment or kind of
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a gradual evolution tell us about that I
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think that libertarianism for me was
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largely a lifetime thing for me and not
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saying this in a way of saying like oh I
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was awakened from this it took time to
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develop the ideas naturally but when I
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was six years old my father died of a
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methamphetamine overdose and this was
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largely the result of a criminal justice
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system that had failed him early on in
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life right and seeing that you see this
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inextricable link to the state ruining
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the life of someone who has now left
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multiple children and an ex-wife a
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current wife and parents just behind
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because of this and it really destroyed
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his life and we still see repercussions
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of it to this day right of course I was
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until I want at this skepticism of
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government and just as time went on I
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just ran out of excuses and like alright
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yep screw it
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going full-on into this whole
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libertarianism thing of just let’s
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reject the government let’s get the
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violence out of the system let’s put key
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so let’s put peace over politics right
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yeah I can imagine that’s absolutely
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terrible I I first of all I had no idea
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but I I can’t even I I can’t even
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imagine do you are you comfortable
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talking about some of the steps that led
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to that ultimate tragedy happening like
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how how the government actually you know
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led to those types of shift so the first
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one was I don’t know the full details
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because I was really young with this
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happen but like initially he was
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arrested for simple possession of
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marijuana you know something that’s not
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even chemically addictive right right
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spends a little bit of time in jail and
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of course as time goes on he lines up
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getting into harder stuff yeah well once
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you’ve been in prison for having
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something you’re not allowed to have you
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become scared to go and seek help right
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this leads to his marriage with my
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mother breaking down and that ends
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whenever I was around two or three years
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old he gets deeper and deeper into
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addiction this was when the war on drugs
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was really at its peak in the 21st
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century and I mean he wouldn’t he
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definitely wouldn’t go out for help and
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one day he just took way too much and it
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killed him
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so that’s the whole thing is lay it just
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shows you how intervention ISM stops
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people from pursuing what would that be
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their best interests like if you are an
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addict it’s in your best interest to get
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help right but you’re risking jail time
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by doing that I don’t blame you for not
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seeking help I can’t I can’t ethically
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see myself saying well it’s your fault
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you didn’t get help at that point right
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right right well and especially when if
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you’ve already been locked up you’ve
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already been in that cage you don’t want
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to go back I mean there are very few
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people that are built for that type of
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thing and so when you think okay I can
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deal with this addiction which is you
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know what a terrible thing to have to
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deal with or I can get caged for it I I
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mean that is absolutely terrible and and
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and to think it all started over
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something that is not addictive is
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milder than alcohol is has medicinal use
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I mean it’s like a what it’s like
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arresting someone over coffee or
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something like that that’s absolutely
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terrible man I can I can only imagine
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how how that must have been man I don’t
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even know how to say way from them so
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sorry I am very sorry oh oh don’t be
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sorry I’m a stronger person because of
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it I understand I understand and that’s
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but and and and I mean it’s helped you
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to you know get into your ultimate
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activism that you’re doing today my
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first exposure to you was when you were
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working as a managing editor for
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Liberty hangout sadly after your
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departure in my opinion anyway they seem
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to have gone in the same direction that
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stefan molyneux has gone which seems to
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be kind of appealing to conservatives
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and boomers for fame and fortune looking
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back on your time there what are your
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thoughts of Liberty hangout your time
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there what led to you leaving and so
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forth
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the people there are absolutely amazing
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honestly and one thing is is that
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talking about appealing to conservatives
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and appealing to boomers they are more
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of a marketing to conservatives but you
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can see that they’ve been drawing back
11:37
on that recently especially with Donald
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Trump’s new calls for gun laws in fact
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Caitlin Bennett their real spokesperson
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has been actively losing donors today
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especially because she came out against
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Donald Trump’s debt forgiveness for
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disabled veterans this is something that
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is a very clear socialist policy if
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Elizabeth Warren or Barack Obama did
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this conservatives would be out on the
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streets ready to riot right but because
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it’s Donald Trump doing that there
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they’re totally okay with that well
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Liberty hangout has been actively
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opposed to this they are also opposed to
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red flag gun laws so they have they’re
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good things they have they’re bad things
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and all I’d see them as a force for good
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especially now that they’re really
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coming back and saying you know what no
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this whole thing where you guys are
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accepting gun control and accepting war
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whenever it’s Donald Trump doing it
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that’s not okay and I’m really happy
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that they’re doing that especially now
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the thing that got me to leave was
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actually starting up the Liberty
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Institute for freedom and economics or
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life for short for the rest the subs I’m
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just gonna refer to it as like I just
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call it like yeah it was it was
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something that I just felt had so much
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potential and just wanted to really put
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as much time into it as possible and I
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really couldn’t juggle being the being
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as high up in two organizations at the
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same time while also working on
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campaigns and also getting ready for my
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junior year of college so it was just
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something that it was more of a time
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management thing
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something had to go yeah I this thing
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with with the gun control I’m glad to
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hear first of all that that Liberty
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hangout isn’t going down that same route
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as many conservatives who are finding
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any possible way they can to either
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justify or rationalize red flag laws
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which in my mind I mean it’s bad enough
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to say okay this gun is banned you can’t
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spy it anymore or whatever it’s an
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entirely different thing to say any
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person who doesn’t like you can call the
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police they can get this warrant that’s
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like the easiest thing to get without
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even telling you that they’re getting it
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and then go what you know so you can’t
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try to represent yourself and they can
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come to your house and tell you you have
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to give up all of your guns including a
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revolver or whatever I mean it you know
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it’s not you know just your assault what
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it’s any kind of weapon at all they
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could take your knives if they wanted to
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and you can’t resist that and I mean
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we’ve already seen deaths from that in
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Maryland I forget the man’s name we’ve
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seen I mean over 10 deaths from this
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already just in state a federal red flag
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law is worse than anything we ever heard
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from from the Obama administration the
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Clinton administration or really any
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other administration and to watch
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conservatives defend that although today
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conservatives are defending you know
14:28
Donald Trump saying that Jews have to
14:31
vote for him or else they’re being
14:33
disloyal to a foreign nation that was
14:35
founded by Marxist but I mean what do
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you think about this that that so many
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people that have been supposedly
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fighting along with us you know for our
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Second Amendment rights are just caving
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because it’s a Republican that you know
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happens to be doing it oh they put party
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over politics and that’s one of our
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biggest problems in America but it’s
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always important to remember Glenn
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Bernie’s name that’s the victim of the
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red flag laws in Maryland it’s always
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important to remember that because well
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I mean thinking about it was 5:00 a.m.
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when the police broke into his home
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you know if you are coming into my home
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by force and my family is sleeping there
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it’s your life or my life because at
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that point I had just woken up I’m
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probably groggy I’m probably confused
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sorry
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don’t come in expecting a peaceful
15:26
resolution
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something especially when you’re on
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someone else’s property I mean what’s
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this thing it’s I might got people red
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flag laws violate not just the Second
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Amendment they violate the Fourth
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Amendment against unwarranted searches
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and seizures violates the Fifth
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Amendment violet your due process
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violation to a speedy trial by jury it
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violates your right your right to be
15:47
protected from cruel and unusual
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punishment as far as I’m concerned if
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something is taken from you when no
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crime has been committed that’s cruel
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and unusual punishment it also violates
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the First Amendment because we now see
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Donald Trump winning Chris Cuomo
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disarmed for getting upset at a
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supporter for calling him Fredo for
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calling him Fredo in front of his family
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right right right right yeah so I’m like
16:07
was what Chris Cuomo did okay no but you
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know what else isn’t okay
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disarming do your political rivals
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that’s something that you expect our
16:14
totalitarian dictatorships so that’s six
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amendments of the Bill of Rights and the
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fact that you have Rand Paul out here
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supporting red flag gun laws
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shows exactly how disgraceful it is and
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why you should never trust a politician
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yeah I’m gonna we’re gonna talk more
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about ran later trust me but uh yeah I
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think it’s I think it’s absolutely
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ridiculous but I want to talk about life
16:35
we are gonna just call it life that’s
16:37
way easier than trying a Liberty
16:38
Institute of freedom a we could call it
16:40
life so you started life last year the
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year before I started it last year yes
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and you’re the vice president of course
16:50
this is a very fascist organization by
16:53
the way it’s so much so that it has
16:54
libertarian socialists in the leadership
16:56
team but tell us about about life tell
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us what it’s about and and what y’all
17:03
are doing over there sure so the main
17:07
objective of life is to give exposure to
17:11
relatively unknown figures within the
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Liberty movement essentially we want to
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take the ideas of the Mises Institute
17:19
people on those lines the austere
17:21
libertarian tradition of self ownership
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and firm Austrian economics but also
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give other people the opportunity to
17:27
spread these ideas to be the second-hand
17:30
dealer of ideas as Friedrich Hayek once
17:31
put it right right so let me listen to
17:34
more of a millennial slash generation Z
17:37
tone and that’s something that we think
17:39
is really important is by
17:40
having that fusion there you can spread
17:42
those ideas we’re at a bit of a hiatus
17:45
right now due to the fact that there’s
17:47
just a lot of us are working full-time
17:49
jobs right now and if simply don’t have
17:51
the time it means to do it but it has a
17:53
lot of promise and there’s actually
17:56
really good scholarship on the site that
17:58
as like once we get this thing back up
18:02
has really quality content some of its
18:05
republished thankfully to the things to
18:07
the fine people at 71 Republic comm
18:10
couple articles are on the Mises
18:12
Institute as well right now which is
18:14
absolutely wonderful so that’s that’s
18:17
more or less what the mission of it is
18:19
is to promote freedom particularly to
18:22
young people and give exposure to a
18:24
relatively unknown folk within the
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Liberty movement who deserve this
18:27
exposure that’s really cool that’s good
18:29
yeah I mean so much of political stuff
18:32
in general not just libertarian but
18:35
political stuff in general it’s geared
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towards the people that have
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traditionally consumed that kind of
18:41
stuff you’re leaving out a generation
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that I mean your age and younger you
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were up trying to think what you’re how
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old again you’re 20 I’m 21 okay you’re
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21 um so you were trying to do the math
18:58
so you were born in 98 so you and anyone
19:01
younger than you didn’t even really
19:03
experience the last major you know like
19:07
economic boom supposedly we’ve been in
19:09
an economic boom but the inflation has
19:11
been kind of stripping it out for the
19:12
most part yeah your generation and
19:15
younger people you and your age and
19:17
younger have really gotten the worst end
19:20
of what boomers have created for us in
19:23
in with this government and to not reach
19:26
out to them when they’re hearing right
19:28
now they’re mostly being marketed to by
19:30
boomer socialists saying we’re gonna
19:33
give you free stuff which is what they
19:34
told their parents and their
19:36
grandparents and what got us here in the
19:37
first place and when you’re in the
19:40
situation that many people your age and
19:42
younger are in or even older that sounds
19:45
very appealing
19:46
if no one else is marketing to them
19:49
you’re basically ensuring the worst-case
19:53
scenarios for
19:54
the state and our society moving forward
19:57
so I think it’s a it’s a really really
19:59
good thing that you’re doing
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I want to we have to I have to I’m gonna
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address the elephant in the room as it
20:06
were the two biggest reasons I brought
20:08
you on was to talk about how and why we
20:12
should make politicians afraid which
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we’ll talk about shortly but also the
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some of the misconceptions in
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libertarian circles around private
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property and the concept of physical
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removal so to speak but before we get
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into the weeds of this just give me your
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basic rundown of your thoughts on self
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ownership and and private property okay
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sure so you own yourself and the reason
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why is because of private property
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ultimately what determines whether
20:43
something or not is yours is if you are
20:45
the first user I think it is your stay
20:48
facto or if you acquired through
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voluntary transactions that’s the only
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two ways to do it so you own your body
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and first and foremost you are the first
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user of it and second it’s impossible to
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voluntarily give it away you could do
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that when you’re dead but what as long
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as you are alive you cannot to sell
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yourself is to commit an act of fraud
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but it goes even deeper than that to
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deny self ownership in itself is an
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assertion of self ownership so with that
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in mind you can see that self ownership
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is inherently an a priori sztyc truth to
21:26
argue against it is to prove it correct
21:28
and essentially right because you
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couldn’t argue you couldn’t argue in the
21:33
first place if you weren’t asserting
21:34
your ability to make that assertion in
21:36
the first place right so take the take
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the assertion I do not own myself I do
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not own myself is a claim that is made
21:45
by a cellphone agent so you are
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utilizing self ownership to deny it and
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therefore you’re proving that any denial
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thereof is inherently contradictory
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right that’s so that’s the that’s my
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foundation for private property rights
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of course this whole thing gets into the
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human nature I mean but this is one that
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we just see of this is self
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the origin here when Tom a political
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philosophy doesn’t matter I believe it
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comes from God
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you don’t have to it regardless of where
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it comes from this is the reality of the
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situation in which we live so that’s the
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private profit so that leads us to the
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private property ethic so this applies
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to all other items on this planet that
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are not already owned by someone else
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you can appropriate it for yourself or
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if it is owned by someone else you can
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acquire through voluntary transactions
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so just simple about that now what we’re
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talking about with the whole thing of
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physical removal this freight phrase
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comes from Hans Hermann Hoppus book
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democracy the God that failed it’s in
22:50
his chapter on conservatism and
22:53
libertarianism he talks about how while
22:56
libertarianism is strictly private
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property rights there are very clear
23:02
correlations between cultures and
23:05
adherence to private property rights
23:07
than other cultures and he uses this
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just to show you that that typically
23:12
will see more Western centric groups
23:16
have a greater sense of private property
23:17
rights that’s not always the case but
23:20
most of the time that’s where a lot of
23:22
it has come from but let’s just take it
23:26
a step back here is like the particular
23:27
line that he says I’m paraphrasing there
23:30
can be no tolerance for Communists and
23:33
Democrats he’s talking about advocates
23:36
of democracy not members of the
23:37
Democratic Party Republicans as far as
23:40
he’s concerned are also Democrats right
23:42
right well in a libertarian social order
23:46
they will have to be physically
23:48
separated from society so the real
23:50
phrase isn’t exactly physical removal
23:52
its physical separation so everyone says
23:56
like oh there’s no difference between
23:57
this and violence well no actually
24:00
because violence is an action physical
24:02
separation is an adjective so if you are
24:06
an anarchic immunised that is fine you
24:09
own yourself you get to decide your own
24:11
preferences but you don’t have the right
24:14
to do is steal from others but also
24:15
think about this if you are an Antarctic
24:18
communist why would you want to live in
24:20
a community that has
24:22
strict adherence to the capitalist
24:25
interpretation of private property right
24:27
you wouldn’t you would live separately
24:30
from these individuals so and think
24:33
about it like the example that hopper
24:35
uses and this is what everyone tries to
24:37
bash hop on is he uses an example of a
24:40
hyper conservative community that hates
24:44
gays loves Christianity and is all for
24:49
essentially just straight white
24:52
Christian ethics right this by the way
24:55
is the opposite of Hoppus ethical
24:57
circumstances by the way cultural he’s a
24:59
cosmopolitan he’s married to a Muslim he
25:02
lives in a majority Browns a country he
25:05
was in Turkey right yeah he lives in
25:09
Turkey yeah so a majority Muslim brown
25:12
country yeah yeah and is married to a
25:15
Muslim cell right yeah that’s a real
25:16
traditional conservative guy right there
25:18
I’m sure so that’s the bit point there
25:22
that he’s just giving an example of that
25:24
well let’s talk about an example of a
25:26
community that is all members of the
25:30
lgbtq+ community all people of color
25:34
would they want a white nationalist
25:36
living in that community no obviously
25:39
right it’s it’s common sense
25:42
so like the that’s the whole that’s a
25:45
whole deal like what I attend a
25:47
Democratic Socialist of America
25:49
conference not unless I was getting paid
25:51
to cover it as a journalist which I
25:53
barely do that anymore right so I so
25:59
it’s one of those things that’s just
26:00
it’s simple common sense that people put
26:02
their feelings over the reality of the
26:04
situation and so that’s really like the
26:08
general rundown of it if there’s
26:10
anything I can do to clear it up though
26:12
further I’m all ears
26:14
yeah absolutely so first of all I want
26:16
to go back to we got a comment back when
26:18
we were talking about red flag laws from
26:20
Vincent pitch he OD I think I’m saying
26:22
that right he said I’ve been labeled
26:24
level 2 bipolar and PTSD I will be
26:27
banned from gun ownership in
26:28
Pennsylvania if the Dems and wolf who is
26:31
their governor passed their gun control
26:34
legislation that’s this is a perfect
26:35
example
26:36
of when you criminalize the fact that
26:40
someone may have for example you know
26:43
mental illness now your your your it’s
26:46
like thoughtcrime from Minority Report
26:48
sir it’s it’s it’s terrible it’s a
26:50
perfect example of that
26:51
going stepping back a little on physical
26:53
removal for those who don’t know like
26:55
use like TJ said the term physical
26:57
removal in the context we’re talking
26:59
about was first coined or at least made
27:01
popular by hands Herman hapa who is a
27:04
professor of economics at the University
27:06
of Nevada in Las Vegas prominent
27:09
proponent of Austrian economics and
27:11
anarcho-capitalist theory he talks about
27:14
how in the absence of a state private
27:15
property owners could choose to
27:17
voluntarily create covenant communities
27:19
where they could set terms and
27:20
conditions I’m pretty much as touching
27:22
on what you just said where they could
27:23
set terms and conditions for being a
27:24
part of that community and people who
27:26
refuse to abide by those terms and
27:28
conditions could be physically removed
27:30
so to speak from those communities
27:32
meaning that they would be asked to
27:36
leave and if they didn’t then they would
27:38
be removed physically here are the two
27:41
quotes from hoppy hoppy that his critics
27:44
seized upon usually they don’t do the
27:46
whole quote they’ll take parts that they
27:48
don’t like you actually mentioned I
27:50
think at least one of these I edited
27:54
these slightly for brevity they’re still
27:56
very long quotes you usually only get
27:58
about ten words from them from someone
28:00
who’s criticizing him but in this one he
28:02
says in a these are both from democracy
28:04
the God that failed which he wrote in
28:05
2001 or published in 2001 in a covenant
28:08
among proprietor and community tenants
28:10
for the purpose of protecting their
28:12
private property no such thing as a
28:14
right to free unlimited speech exists
28:16
not even to unlimited speech on one’s
28:18
own
28:19
tenant property one may say innumerable
28:22
things and promote almost any idea Under
28:24
the Sun but naturally no one is
28:26
permitted to advocate ideas contrary to
28:29
the very covenant of preserving and
28:31
protecting private property such as
28:32
democracy and communism there can be no
28:35
– this is the part most people seize
28:36
upon there can be no tolerance towards
28:38
Democrats and communists in a
28:40
libertarian social order they will have
28:42
to be physically separated and removed
28:43
from society the second quote the one
28:47
that really gets people worked up and is
28:49
really
28:50
in my mind taken out of context he says
28:53
a society in which the right to
28:55
exclusion is fully restored to owners of
28:58
private property would be profoundly
29:01
unny Galit Aryan intolerant and
29:03
discriminatory there would be little or
29:05
no tolerance and open-mindedness so
29:08
clear so dear to left-libertarians
29:10
instead one would be on the right path
29:13
towards restoring the freedom of
29:15
association and exclusion implied in the
29:18
institution of private property there
29:20
would be signs regarding the entrance
29:22
requirements to the town and once in
29:24
town requirements for entering specific
29:26
pieces of property here’s where you
29:28
usually get the quote for example no
29:30
beggars bums are homeless but also no
29:32
homosexuals drug users Jews Muslims
29:35
Germans or Zulus and those who did not
29:39
meet these entrance requirements would
29:41
be kicked out as trespassers now again
29:44
Hoppa is German so he clearly isn’t
29:48
advocating for all communities to not
29:52
allow Germans because he’s German so he
29:57
wouldn’t be allowed in any community so
29:59
I just wanted clarify just because yes
30:01
he also I think he was giving and you
30:03
can correct me if I’m wrong because
30:05
you’re way more well-read on hoppy than
30:07
I am and in fact you’ve actually met him
30:11
well talk to me about these quotes and
30:14
the concept of physical removal sure no
30:21
no no I was just gonna say specifically
30:23
because you you’ve already touched quite
30:25
a bit on it but specifically when he’s
30:27
talking about these hypothetical
30:28
hypothetical examples of like no I don’t
30:32
do lose there aren’t a lot of Zulus but
30:34
no black people or no Hispanics or no
30:37
whites or whatever talk to me about the
30:38
context of what he’s saying
30:41
yeah the context is that simply put
30:43
people have the right to their own
30:45
personal preferences you as a
30:47
libertarian don’t have the right to
30:49
control what people like and what people
30:51
don’t like what you do have the right to
30:53
control as a libertarian is when someone
30:55
is using violence against you right and
30:57
we’re talking about initiative physical
30:59
violence if you break into someone’s
31:01
house and they shoot you
31:03
that is not their problem that’s yours
31:06
that’s one of the just basic tenets that
31:10
shouldn’t even be discussed it’s one of
31:13
those common-sense points but so the
31:19
first quotation talking about there’d be
31:22
no time for this one of the biggest
31:23
misconceptions about physical removal is
31:25
that it’s an affirmative action that the
31:27
people will grab their pitchforks and
31:30
torches and they will go out and they
31:32
will drag them out on the streets and
31:34
kick them off look that’s not what
31:37
physical removal is it never has been
31:40
never will be you can see one in an
31:43
article from Stephan Kinsella about
31:45
clarifications on physical removal in
31:47
covenant communities he’s talking about
31:49
basic contract theory essentially people
31:51
who don’t meet the contracts wouldn’t
31:55
enter to begin with essentially and
31:58
anyone who wouldn’t meet a contract
32:01
anyway well that contract wouldn’t be
32:02
formed in the first place because that
32:05
person already lives there right so
32:08
there’s that first point so it’s about
32:10
voluntarily established standards among
32:13
people who are currently living there
32:15
they have every right to do that now one
32:18
of the objections of people have like
32:19
well what about people who are born into
32:21
this and don’t meet the objections to
32:23
this well once again you look to the
32:25
libertarian position on immigration
32:27
which is that we privatized land we
32:31
allow the property owners to determine
32:33
who comes on and who leaves if you
32:36
invite someone you are a de facto
32:38
sponsor of that individual that’s your
32:42
decision to deal with not the decisions
32:45
of the community not the decisions of
32:46
any government in fact right this is the
32:49
system that gets the government out of
32:51
everything quite frankly because let’s
32:53
be honest here we’re inherently social
32:56
beings and if you want proof of that
32:57
we’re communicating right now we’re
32:59
speaking in language right so and
33:03
individualism is great let’s just need
33:06
to pretend that that is the end-all
33:07
be-all of human existence there’s so
33:09
much more to humanity onto the second
33:12
one so not only would Hoppa not be
33:15
welcome in a community if he was being
33:17
literal there but also not only would
33:20
his wife eyes that’s some of the things
33:24
there to think about on that so what
33:26
he’s talking about there is he’s giving
33:29
an example the example that he’s giving
33:31
is a highly culturally conservative
33:32
community that is established their
33:34
boundaries of what is allowed what is
33:37
not allowed right do I agree with these
33:39
standards absolutely not
33:41
is it their right to have those
33:43
standards sure let’s just put it this
33:46
way like if I were to go to a business
33:50
and this business refuses to hire me
33:53
because the business owner is a Nazi I
33:56
wouldn’t want to be working for that
33:58
business to begin with I mean why why
34:02
would I want to subsidize that okay so
34:04
and the bigotry or ethnic purity
34:09
standards and whatnot it’s not a
34:11
limitation on other people it’s a
34:12
limitation on the person setting the
34:14
standards right that’s the first thing
34:17
to begin with you have every right to
34:18
limit yourself what you don’t have a
34:20
right to do is use violence against
34:22
someone because you hate that feature
34:23
about them correct and right I’m pretty
34:25
sure literally anyone who takes the
34:29
private property ethic as standard would
34:31
agree with this right but yes so that’s
34:35
that’s just a rundown of it you know any
34:38
other questions about it ya know so
34:40
here’s here’s my thing with um here’s my
34:43
example of a covenant community
34:47
quote/unquote happening even in this
34:48
data society so my wife and I have a lot
34:51
of gay and trans friends in this area
34:55
which is Myrtle Beach very heavily where
34:57
the buckle of the Bible Belt so it’s not
35:00
like there are so if you open a gay club
35:05
you got to be careful because they’re
35:08
going to everything from people who are
35:10
well-meaning who want to come in and
35:11
witness you know Christianity or
35:13
whatever to you all the way to people
35:15
that want to like you know go in and
35:16
threaten people and say you’re all going
35:18
to hell or whatever and everything in
35:19
between and so we are actually of one of
35:22
the the LGBT clubs here we’re actually
35:25
lifetime members they give memberships
35:29
to people which are free but you
35:31
through agree to a bunch of terms and
35:33
and of course it’s you know no
35:34
proselytizing no bashing gays no you
35:37
know misgendering people all these
35:39
different things and you agree to these
35:40
terms and if you disagree to these terms
35:42
or if you if you disagree to these terms
35:44
they won’t let you in if you agree to
35:45
them and then at some later date we’re
35:47
welcome there
35:48
even though we’re straight and sis het
35:50
and married and you know fairly
35:52
traditional whatever we’re welcome there
35:55
if we went in there and at some point I
35:57
started saying gay is you know bad and
36:00
you’re all going to hell or what they
36:01
would tell me that I needed to leave and
36:03
if I said no I refuse to leave I’m gonna
36:05
sit right here and say all gays are
36:07
going to hell they’re gonna remove me
36:09
probably physically or they’re going to
36:12
call the police or call security or
36:14
someone’s someone’s going to make me not
36:15
be there anymore now if you conflate
36:17
that out to a post State Society if
36:20
you’ve got like you said an LGBTQ
36:23
community and they go you know what
36:26
we’re gonna let straight people in and
36:27
visit or whatever but you have to not
36:30
break these rules and not you know try
36:32
to harm us and not you know say bad
36:34
things about being gay or whatever and
36:36
if someone went in and did that they’d
36:37
be violating that right and I don’t
36:39
think any libertarian would claim that
36:41
there’s something something wrong with
36:43
that now in your article physical
36:47
removal is essential to Liberty you stay
36:49
and and I’m quoting here at any level
36:52
from the nation to the community here’s
36:55
the big part to the individual one has
36:59
the right to secede and form his or her
37:02
own form of culture and to exclude all
37:04
who advocate against one’s culture from
37:08
their property and I take that to mean
37:10
for example if a here’s an example you
37:13
mentioned a gay person so let’s say that
37:16
my father and mother moved in – they
37:20
wouldn’t but let’s say they moved into
37:21
this you know culturally Christian
37:25
community that doesn’t allow
37:26
homosexuality or advocacy of
37:28
homosexuality or whatever and they’ve
37:31
passed away and I I’ve now owned this
37:34
property but I’m gay and I I say well
37:39
okay I’m gay and I’m not gonna pretend
37:42
I’m not gay so I want to secede from my
37:45
property from
37:45
this community I’m not gonna use your
37:47
Commons I’m not going to go to your
37:49
meetings or events or whatever but I’m
37:52
gonna remain in my home and freely
37:54
associate with others outside of the
37:56
community who wish to do that are you
37:58
saying that that would be OK for me to
38:00
do that yes yes absolutely
38:03
the only instance in which that would
38:05
not be okay is if somehow there is a
38:08
firm contract that your parents didn’t
38:11
own that house but rather they leased or
38:14
they rented it right but other will
38:16
otherwise no absolutely if you are the
38:19
firm owner of it you can null and void
38:23
the contract there and say look I’m not
38:25
gonna take part in your nonsense here
38:27
what you guys are doing here is heinous
38:30
in my personal ethics continue doing it
38:33
whatever I’m not gonna stop you but
38:35
you’re not gonna force me to be in that
38:37
absolutely right that’s the thing is
38:39
that secession is an individual right so
38:43
yeah I mean that’s the entire point like
38:46
it’s literally one of the most
38:48
common-sense points but people just get
38:51
so angry about because at the very
38:53
foundation of it is that left
38:56
libertarians desire openness over actual
39:00
Liberty Liberty is not necessarily open
39:03
it allows people to exclude themselves
39:06
from any situation that they want and
39:08
let libertarians probably wouldn’t want
39:11
this whole dedication to openness if it
39:14
meant that they had to associate with
39:17
individuals who hated them for their
39:18
very existence but yet openness taken to
39:21
its logical conclusion would it would
39:24
have to because otherwise you’re
39:26
arbitrarily deciding what you’re open to
39:28
which is okay if you’re doing that for
39:31
yourself we all arbitrarily decide who
39:33
we wanted to associate with whether we
39:35
say it or not I am arbitrarily I
39:37
arbitrarily decided to ask you if you’d
39:39
like to come on my show you arbitrarily
39:41
told me you’d like to like it wasn’t it
39:43
we didn’t use some systemic ideological
39:45
belief about Association it was just
39:47
would you like to come on yeah sure
39:49
would you like to have me on yeah sure
39:51
so I know I I agree with that no let me
39:53
ask we we had to make sure I was
39:55
oppressed enough right yeah what did you
39:58
did you meet enough of the inner set
39:59
of whatever so so I want to ask you is
40:03
this Hoppy’s view as well
40:05
can a that a property owner can secede
40:07
themselves and their individual
40:08
properties from a community if they
40:09
decide to because it seems like without
40:11
that severability or that secession
40:13
ability we’re eventually going to end up
40:16
with all of the heart hallmarks of a
40:18
state at some point at some people all
40:20
of the people that originally agreed to
40:21
these things will be dead leaving behind
40:24
a bunch of people who won’t be able to
40:25
secede from it so I assume but you can
40:27
correct me if I’m wrong that hapa agrees
40:29
with you on this that down to the
40:31
individual you can secede from from your
40:34
owned property from the Covenant yes
40:38
absolutely and it’s the whole point of
40:41
why would a is so that’s the thing like
40:44
physically removed or physically
40:46
separated once again isn’t them coming
40:48
to your home dragging you out if you
40:53
refuse to pay rent that might happen
40:54
because you voluntarily agreed to that
40:58
is that was a your decision but if we’re
41:01
talking about a difference in cultural
41:02
preferences and you own that property no
41:04
physically removed in that sense is that
41:07
your property is no longer a part of
41:10
that community that’s the difference so
41:13
whenever so whenever some room
41:16
temperature IQ individual says that this
41:18
is no different from deportation well
41:21
it’s pretty damn different because no
41:24
one’s getting violently drugged out of
41:26
their home and separated from their
41:28
families and put over an arbitrarily
41:31
drawn border so it’s very different in
41:34
fact yeah no it’s completely different
41:36
now again there could be like in Mike
41:38
like my example with the LGBTQ Club I
41:41
could be physically removed so to speak
41:43
from the from the property if I’m
41:45
refused because it’s not my property and
41:47
in that example even I don’t even own it
41:49
in common I’m literally just a guest in
41:52
an example where if I were where I’m the
41:54
gay guy with my you know my the house
41:57
that I’ve inherited I can voluntarily
42:00
secede if I then say well I’m still
42:02
going to go to community meetings and
42:04
advocate for acceptance of homosexuality
42:06
and so forth that’s a problem because
42:09
I’m no longer in my property I’m in a
42:11
property of people who have specific
42:13
quickly said that is the preference to
42:15
not have that and they don’t have to
42:17
accept that any more than if I were to
42:19
create a community of only LGBT Jewish
42:22
people who whatever I can say I only
42:26
want we only want people in here who are
42:28
gay and whose first name starts with an
42:30
S and and you know and and only that if
42:34
you’re if you don’t meet those terms
42:35
then we want you we don’t want you here
42:37
and we don’t have to have a good reason
42:38
for that the only reason is we own
42:40
ourselves we on our property and we
42:41
don’t want whatever we don’t want and we
42:44
do want whatever we we do want now
42:46
speaking of your article which by the
42:49
way it’s great it’s in the show notes I
42:51
encourage you guys to read this I hope
42:53
that this has helped deal with some of
42:54
these misconceptions and outright
42:56
falsehoods regarding physical removal
42:59
but but speaking of your article you
43:01
chose to use this photo of Augusto
43:05
Pinochet alongside a helicopter as the
43:07
picture for your article this was
43:10
written in a November of 2017 for those
43:13
who don’t know Pinochet was a military
43:15
dictator in Chile who he he overtook the
43:19
communist government in a in a coup
43:21
d’etat he was a military dictator he
43:24
often threw his political opponents from
43:26
helicopters most of whom were socialists
43:28
and communists ironically he also
43:30
implemented a lot of oddly free-market
43:33
economic reforms that Chile benefits
43:35
from to this day but he was also a
43:37
brutal tyrant we’re not making excuses
43:39
for that some people seem to be more
43:41
upset they didn’t get past the picture
43:44
they were more upset about him being the
43:46
photo that you chose for your article
43:48
that about the actual article itself
43:50
which many of them didn’t actually read
43:52
which was evidenced by my communicating
43:54
with them about it I’m curious did you
43:56
put up that photo of Pinochet solely to
43:58
trigger people and get more exposure did
44:00
you support Pinochet at that I’d like
44:02
what was your reasoning behind that so I
44:05
never I never been much of a fan of
44:08
Pinochet I’ve actually studied military
44:10
dictatorship in South America he was a
44:12
bad guy
44:13
obviously but there’s a double meaning
44:16
to it so this article was published
44:19
after I had gone to the Mises Institute
44:22
35th anniversary event at that event
44:27
Rowland chief Michael malleus gifted
44:30
Hans Hermann hapa with a toy helicopter
44:32
yeah yeah and me and a bunch of my
44:36
friends we got with dr. hapa
44:38
and we got a picture with him holding
44:41
this helicopter yeah and
44:43
left-libertarians lost their damn minds
44:46
it was incredible so I was like you know
44:50
what screw it these people are beyond
44:52
reason so I’m gonna put up this
44:54
thumbnail that is perhaps the most
44:57
absurdly hilarious in a dark sense it
45:04
was very darkly hilarious yes just to
45:07
just to filter out the weaklings because
45:10
honestly for all the people who are more
45:12
triggered by the thumbnail well your
45:15
tears are delicious and you’ll never
45:17
make a difference so this okay and I
45:21
just wanted to clarify that I did not
45:24
think that you were a simply yeah I put
45:27
it this way if you worry supporter of
45:28
Pinochet at one time I assume that was
45:30
in the past just from what I know about
45:32
you and your advocacy but I just wanted
45:35
to give you a chance to talk about that
45:37
because we have the link there and I
45:39
know I’m gonna get comments from people
45:40
and calls from people that are like this
45:42
thing has you know Pinochet in a
45:44
helicopter with a communist symbol
45:46
behind I’m gonna show it one more time
45:48
but yeah go ahead and check that that
45:50
article out I’m sure you’ll love it your
45:53
kids will love it so I so yeah so Oh
45:57
real quick we have a couple of comments
46:01
that I want to go we had one person say
46:08
a TJ holds himself much higher and is
46:10
much smarter than most his age good
46:12
listen we got a question from Jason King
46:16
Rhee who asked is voting violence or can
46:20
we use the state for good you got any
46:21
thoughts on that hobby Yama’s dulce
46:26
that’s Latin by the way for why don’t we
46:29
have both because voting is violence
46:33
it’s choosing leaders for other people
46:36
right essentially and your what the what
46:39
your decision winds up being as the
46:41
if you’re in the majority that’s the
46:43
decision everyone has to live with right
46:45
well unless you’re taller left or
46:46
college but you know among the voting
46:48
majority your your vote is your your
46:51
vote is influencing who ends up becoming
46:53
the leader right well but let’s also be
46:57
very clear here that not all violence is
46:59
unacceptable once again if someone
47:01
breaks into your house and you shoot
47:03
them well that’s acceptable that’s
47:06
that’s self-defense you can easily vote
47:09
in self-defense and I have done that and
47:12
I will continue to do that there are
47:14
fantastic candidates within my district
47:18
I live in Thomas Massey’s can
47:20
congressional district Rand Paul is
47:24
pretty good I won’t vote for him if he
47:26
decides to follow through on this whole
47:29
red flag thing but the Savannah Maddox
47:33
she is incredible young Americans for
47:37
liberty now has 39 elected state
47:39
representatives that are making a
47:41
difference fighting for the basic
47:43
liberties that we are guaranteed as
47:45
Americans in this in the in this country
47:48
I mean we are seeing great change coming
47:52
out of this system so you can use the
47:55
state for good but yes
47:57
voting is violence but self-defense is
48:01
essential the rules kind of go out the
48:04
door whenever you realize that this is a
48:05
war right right yeah no I agree voting
48:08
is violence so use it defensively if
48:10
you’re gonna use it if you if you decide
48:11
you want to use your vote your proxy
48:13
violence vote then do so defensively
48:16
let’s see what else we have here
48:26
so part of the problem is like I’ll miss
48:29
comments because some reason with
48:30
livestream I don’t get all the comments
48:32
but but here’s one question can’t you
48:35
expand actually there’s two questions
48:37
here Jacob LaBelle asks are there and
48:40
there are Association own common areas
48:42
that are the only access to the private
48:44
property yes that that’s correct Jacob
48:47
so in a in a post state society you
48:50
would have in many cases you’d have
48:52
these voluntary communities and similar
48:54
to like within a
48:55
– away they may say hey let’s have a
48:57
common pool or let’s have a common I
48:59
don’t know theater or let’s have a you
49:02
know a shopping area that’s for us and
49:04
for guests that want to come in and shop
49:05
and that can help raise revenue to help
49:07
pay for our common prop and everyone’s
49:09
there all of the private property owners
49:10
are agreeing to sublet or delegate their
49:13
property into common ownership that’s
49:16
you know run by some you know counselor
49:18
or group or whatever that they set up
49:20
but it’s all voluntary everyone has to
49:22
agree to it to this to have happened in
49:24
the first place and if it’s some person
49:25
so if at some point someone doesn’t
49:27
agree they can secede their property
49:29
from that um
49:30
Vincente Patroni says can’t you expand
49:33
this idea to other sovereign states
49:35
meaning the reciprocity of borders in
49:38
general because I may have misunderstood
49:40
the argument but it seems like the
49:41
argument is borders are not real that
49:43
the problem with the state Vincent is
49:45
that we never consented I’ll let you TJ
49:47
expand on that more on the difference
49:49
between a a private border and state
49:52
borders yeah I mean a state border is
49:55
formed and initiated by a monopoly on
49:58
the use of violence now even at the
50:01
state level just to be clear I am NOT an
50:05
advocate of open borders but what I’m an
50:09
advocate of is getting the government
50:10
out of immigration so long as the state
50:12
order has to exist I’m actually in favor
50:15
right now of creating more state borders
50:17
as in I want to see mass secession
50:20
efforts I would love to see the u.s.
50:23
turn into 50 separate states where they
50:25
can make their own rules I would love
50:27
that it would be way better than what we
50:30
have right now am i saying it’s perfect
50:32
no but it’s a step up it’s an absolute
50:35
step up from the absolute shit show we
50:37
are currently in in which 300 million
50:39
Americans have to live under the same
50:41
set of rules system is not working it’s
50:44
failing regarding private borders Jeff
50:48
diced actually puts it really well I’m
50:51
quoting him here in a libertarian
50:53
society there is no common or public
50:55
space there are property lines not
50:57
borders when it comes to real property
50:59
and physical movement across such real
51:01
property there are owners guests
51:04
licensees business invitees and
51:07
trespassers not legal
51:09
and illegal immigrants so that’s the
51:12
ideal situation let’s make sure we have
51:15
that but we can see something similar to
51:17
that in the here and now if we go to
51:20
more of a new closer to an invitation
51:23
based system now everyone says like well
51:26
this is just some fascist restriction on
51:28
immigration it absolutely isn’t if
51:31
you’re if there’s unclaimed land sure go
51:33
to it and make it your own right because
51:35
there’s nothing you don’t need an invite
51:36
there but I’ve never heard a fascist
51:40
endorsed chain migration which is
51:43
exactly why that’s what a system would
51:47
head would be right if you wind up here
51:50
you’re probably gonna invite people that
51:52
you would want to be a part of your
51:53
family over there as well that’s right
51:55
that’s chain that’s chain migration
51:56
right so it’s one of those things that
52:00
interestingly enough it makes everyone
52:03
mad at the same time and that’s probably
52:05
the why I support it but who knows I
52:08
just have a have a problem with
52:10
agreeableness right find something that
52:12
people dislike and then come up with
52:14
your rationale after the fact to why
52:17
it’s good but no I mean the reason that
52:18
the reason both sides are upset about it
52:20
is because it removes government control
52:22
so one side wants government telling
52:24
people they can’t come and the other
52:26
side wants government essentially
52:28
inviting for lack of a better word the
52:31
entire world to come and saying we’ll
52:33
even Rob these people that are already
52:34
here and give some of it to you and also
52:37
telling all these people and you have to
52:39
associate with them you can’t choose to
52:41
to you know secede or dissociate from
52:43
these people because you don’t you don’t
52:44
want to associate with them so you’ve
52:46
got both sides that want control whereas
52:48
you’re saying let’s have a system where
52:51
if someone is welcomed welcomed by
52:54
someone who’s willing to invite them
52:55
vouch for them take care of them if need
52:58
be make sure that they you know get work
53:00
or you know that their needs are met
53:01
whatever great come on over like you
53:04
said that’s chain migration which
53:06
doesn’t really make anyone happy but uh
53:08
makes us happy but um so okay so I have
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54:07
that plug is done now for one of my
54:09
favorite subjects which is of course
54:12
making politicians really scared and
54:14
afraid a subject here to you as well
54:18
first of all before we get into this how
54:20
potrait and we touched touched on this
54:21
briefly how betrayed do you feel by Rand
54:24
Paul right now I put if I did my math
54:30
correctly I put thousands of hours
54:33
helping Rand Paul in the 2015 through
54:36
2016 elections both for president and
54:39
for Senate I did this because he
54:43
promised Liberty he promised to stand up
54:45
for your rights unconditionally that was
54:50
a lie that was a lie
54:51
hands down I have never felt more burned
54:54
in puppet in my time in politics this is
54:57
something that I take personally because
54:59
I know the people that surrounded him I
55:02
were talking about these guys are the
55:05
ones who brought him in here Donald
55:07
Trump did nothing for him to get him
55:09
where he is right now and yet he is
55:11
bending the knee to him over the people
55:14
that actually put him where he is right
55:15
now right it is the ultimate betrayal
55:18
and it’s one of those things like I can
55:21
look past voting for people voting to
55:24
confirm people like sessions or Pompeo I
55:26
can look past that did I like it no but
55:29
I can look past that but whenever you’re
55:31
talking about an initiative that
55:33
violates more than half of the Bill of
55:35
Rights I’m not looking
55:37
that but it’s one of those points that
55:38
just it makes it to where you take those
55:42
hours that you had and you believed and
55:45
you learned that that was a waste of
55:47
time you know so but it also it’s also a
55:51
hard lesson here because it shows that
55:53
Rand Paul does not appear the Liberty
55:56
people who got him where he is right now
55:58
and quite frankly one of the most
56:01
important lessons you can learn and this
56:03
is from my craw Feld
56:05
if you are not politically feared you
56:08
will not be politically respected and
56:12
that’s a that’s that’s pretty much it
56:15
that’s the problem is that right now
56:18
politicians largely fear boomers and I
56:26
mean maybe insulted
56:28
I mean suppose they don’t know know know
56:33
they don’t fear boomers it’s just that
56:35
boomers tacitly support the socialist
56:38
policies that the politicians want
56:41
because those policies inherently grow
56:43
their power so it’s not so much a matter
56:45
of fear because if it was a matter of
56:48
fear you would see the Democrats also
56:50
calling for football players to stop
56:53
kneeling but you don’t really see that
56:55
fair enough
56:56
yeah you so it’s one of those whole
56:59
things like they don’t necessarily fear
57:00
them it’s just that they have they have
57:02
conjoined interests essentially fair
57:05
enough I would say there is a level of
57:06
fear when it comes to things like Social
57:08
Security and Medicare
57:09
but yes overall they’re not like you
57:11
know what if what if a Boomer disagrees
57:13
with me on the specific things but there
57:14
are the so-called third rails where it’s
57:16
like you will lose 60 percent of the
57:19
vote seventy percent of the vote if you
57:21
advocate for even touching Medicare in
57:23
any substantial way to to try to bend
57:27
that cost curve at all and and turn it
57:29
into something that doesn’t bankrupt our
57:30
our kids and grandkids but to be fair
57:33
and and at least hopefully this makes
57:35
you feel a little bit better Rand Paul
57:36
obviously is not the only person that’s
57:38
folding on gun control and and due
57:40
process in general we’ve got Dan
57:41
Crenshaw it sounds like Ted Cruz maybe
57:43
even a folding on it Donald Trump
57:47
honestly I don’t know about you I never
57:49
expected him not to fold
57:50
that this he’s been talking about gun
57:52
control since he was a Democrat you know
57:55
six years ago I mean it he’s been
57:58
talking about this for quite some time I
57:59
always thought this is what would happen
58:01
after a tragedy but you’re seeing
58:03
so-called pro-second amendment
58:05
you know Republicans and other
58:06
politicians who are just folding on it
58:08
now to that end let’s talk about your
58:11
work in direct activism not just in
58:14
working with campaigns but more
58:15
importantly in holding them accountable
58:16
once they’re actually in office we like
58:19
you just said we can work really hard to
58:21
get politicians elected to office and if
58:24
once they get in there they go yeah
58:25
thanks a lot I’m gonna do whatever the
58:27
hell I want then you just wasted a bunch
58:29
of time so in my mind it’s even more
58:31
important that no matter who won that
58:33
you make them afraid to go against your
58:36
your policy proposals which in your
58:38
cases is maximizing individual liberty
58:41
now talk to me about the ways that you
58:44
make politicians scared to cross you and
58:46
largely in their constituents sure one
58:51
of the things to consider is that
58:53
politics is war at its most
58:54
passive-aggressive sorry you’re not
58:57
going to you’re not going to sit down
59:00
with a politician and have coffee and
59:02
change their mind about policies that’s
59:04
really cute it’s adorable but the fact
59:07
that that politician is sitting down
59:09
having coffee with you shows that
59:10
they’re not afraid of you simple reality
59:12
of it I don’t mean to get all
59:14
uneffectual with you but yeah you’re not
59:16
special enough to we’re having coffee
59:18
with a politician we’ll get you to get
59:19
them to change their mind what will
59:21
change their mind however is going to
59:24
their FEC webpage finding their donors
59:27
and then finding their and their their
59:32
campaign managers neighborhoods and then
59:35
putting fliers in those neighborhoods
59:37
informing them that this guy is about to
59:41
vote against your second Amendment
59:42
rights right that’s one way to do it
59:44
because then they’re like oh god they
59:46
flyer bombed this entire neighbor they
59:48
must have done the entire district it
59:50
scares the hell out of them especially
59:53
whenever those guys call in and start
59:55
being like what is this I hear about you
59:57
trying to vote vote against
59:59
constitutional carry politicians
60:02
responding to things it’s pleasure and
60:04
pain
60:04
one of the two so the pleasure would be
60:07
like endorsements public praise
60:10
donations things like that the pain can
60:15
be flier bombs public condemnation
60:18
public shaming the biggest one is a
60:20
primary opponent if you can get a solid
60:22
primary opponent even if you lose you’re
60:25
sending a message that you don’t care
60:27
about the party line here you care about
60:29
the policy line and you have to draw
60:32
those lines in the sand very very
60:33
carefully so that’s the big thing with
60:36
it is just show like ultimately you
60:38
don’t care I mean one example of this is
60:40
like I’m not gonna name names on this
60:43
because this one went really well
60:45
okay Kentucky now is a Constitutional
60:49
Carry state you can carry a concealed
60:52
firearm without a permit one state
60:55
representative who was the vice chair of
60:57
the Judiciary Committee chose not to
61:00
respond if you want to backtrack the
61:02
stuff go to my personal facebook you’ll
61:04
find the post in which I did something
61:06
above about this I emailed him and asked
61:09
him where he stood on this bill about
61:11
three days past no response I followed
61:13
up two days past so I posted on Facebook
61:15
saying I’m not sure why this guy has to
61:18
come out for Constitutional Carry yet I
61:20
certainly hope that he’s not fall
61:22
faltering on our Second Amendment rights
61:24
he’s a freshman congressman so I’m not
61:26
enough freshmen state representative so
61:28
don’t you shouldn’t have much faith in
61:29
him all hell broke loose
61:33
right and I remember yeah well he
61:37
eventually like comments saying like
61:39
well these is something like well
61:41
commenting on facebook here and getting
61:43
all these emails isn’t going to change
61:45
my mind and then he’s like I’m concerned
61:47
about this because multiple law
61:48
enforcement officers have told me that
61:50
they don’t like this bill and whenever a
61:51
politician says law enforcement officers
61:53
have told me they don’t like this bill
61:55
but they’re really saying is that police
61:57
unions don’t like this bill correct
61:59
that’s what they’re saying he found our
62:04
target and we I mean just straight up we
62:09
we made it to where he was afraid to
62:11
vote against the bill and so he voted
62:13
for it I mean that’s just the reality of
62:17
the situation
62:18
and we needed that vote we got the vote
62:21
and now it’s law you do not need to pay
62:24
a fine or go through and extensively
62:27
gated territory of trainings and
62:30
paperwork in order to carry a concealed
62:32
firearm in the state of Kentucky that’s
62:34
a win for liberty especially for people
62:36
who need to be able to defend themselves
62:38
the most that’s the simple reality of it
62:40
so that’s just one example of it where
62:44
essentially if what it is that you
62:47
realize that politics is nothing more
62:49
than the adjudication of power so that
62:51
means you have to leverage the power you
62:53
have against others and ultimately you
62:56
do have way more power than you think
62:57
you do I promise ya this is how you use
63:00
it right and so for those who might be
63:03
bristling at hearing about this because
63:07
I’ve heard I’ve seen people were like
63:08
well you know we don’t have to be
63:10
uncivil
63:11
first of all let’s put aside for a
63:13
moment what we’ll talk about in a moment
63:15
the history of civility with politicians
63:17
in this country but let’s talk okay so
63:22
there are people that get upset at the
63:24
idea of for example like you said flyer
63:27
bombing or directly confronting people
63:29
not threatening them or trying to harm
63:31
them or anything like that but directly
63:32
you know getting in front of them and
63:35
saying like we’re gonna ruin your career
63:37
and you know how would such and such
63:40
think about you you know you not you
63:42
voting against this and like making it
63:43
personal that seems really you know
63:46
people go that’s rude you don’t have to
63:48
do it there are other ways to do it
63:49
there are other ways to do it and
63:50
sometimes they might be effective if
63:53
those things aren’t effective the
63:55
alternative is staying civil super nice
63:57
and civil and having this person vote
64:01
against your interests and now the
64:04
police can end up killing you over it or
64:07
arresting you over it or killing or
64:10
arresting so when you care about or
64:12
killing and arresting a bunch of people
64:13
you don’t even know but you know harming
64:16
people because we said well I voted and
64:20
I did my best and I want to be mean
64:22
about it
64:23
now I’m a pretty agreeable and nice guy
64:25
I totally I don’t see the argument for
64:31
being nice to someone
64:32
who is about to vote your rights and in
64:35
and by voting your rights away also
64:37
voting your safety away in the process
64:39
now do I want to ask you this did you
64:42
when you start have when you first went
64:44
into this were you just like yeah hell
64:46
yeah I’m gonna destroy these people or
64:47
was there a little bit of resistance at
64:49
first and it took a while to get used to
64:50
it like how did that work
64:52
politicians killed my dad they’re not
64:54
people you know I have no respect for
64:58
them one one rule the one rule that I’ve
65:02
I’ve come to follow is if I cannot say
65:04
something mean about a politician I’m
65:06
not gonna say anything about them so
65:10
that’s just a rule about it and I was I
65:12
was all about this especially in 2016
65:16
2016 I saw a speech from Mike Rothfeld
65:18
who’s the founder of the foundation for
65:21
apply conservative leadership just
65:23
opened my eyes to this it was amazing I
65:27
mean just really change the way that I
65:30
looked at things and just really made me
65:31
like think yeah it’s about time we
65:34
actually started taking this seriously
65:36
because right now being nice to these
65:38
people it never has worked it never will
65:41
work and quite frankly it sets us down a
65:43
dangerous road
65:44
because you should be thankful
65:46
regardless of how unfree we are in
65:48
America which granted we are unfree
65:50
right
65:51
you should still be thankful to live in
65:53
this country because in quite literally
65:56
every other country every government
65:58
decision is made at the barrel of a gun
66:00
or the edge of a machete and it’s quite
66:03
and it’s quite often directly at the
66:05
barrel of a gun or the edge of a machete
66:07
right there’s no proxy at least with us
66:11
there is a proxy to it right now
66:14
politicians aren’t afraid of anything
66:15
and when a politician isn’t afraid of
66:17
anything they move inch toward
66:20
dictatorship and whenever you wind up
66:22
with the dictatorship the politician
66:24
doesn’t fear for their job they fear for
66:26
their life because ultimately the people
66:28
will wind up just being complacent as
66:31
they can be until they snap yeah with
66:34
this way with this model they’re fearing
66:36
for their jobs I’d much rather see
66:39
people lose their jobs than lose their
66:41
lives because the blood the blood loss
66:44
would be
66:46
horrible yeah this is like this is the
66:48
only peaceful solution is to get
66:51
confrontational with them show them that
66:53
you are also a person with power who can
66:57
make change yeah yeah exactly talking
67:01
about so and you started to touch on
67:02
this let’s talk about the alternative to
67:06
this piece largely peaceful not
67:08
necessarily nice but peaceful
67:09
alternative let’s talk about the other
67:11
thing that could happen so again we were
67:14
talking about before the history of this
67:16
country was founded on a bunch of people
67:18
who basically shot at and killed lots of
67:22
law enforcement agents and said no we’re
67:24
not gonna do it this way we’re gonna do
67:26
it our way
67:27
they set in place the Articles of
67:29
Confederation which was an actual
67:31
attempt to limit government in quite an
67:33
impressive way actually and then you had
67:35
people who usurped it illegally not that
67:39
it matters anymore because the Articles
67:40
of Confederation are now null and void
67:42
no one’s there to enforce it but they
67:44
basically came in and said no we need
67:46
more central control we need to be able
67:47
to tax we need to be able to have a
67:49
standing army we need to be able to blah
67:51
blah blah blah blah blah the people who
67:53
resisted that were nice about it
67:56
they maybe said some mean things but
67:58
they were nice about it and as a result
68:00
the Articles of Confederation were
68:02
replaced with a document that ultimately
68:05
led to what we have now and like
68:07
Lysander Spooner said whether it
68:10
happened because the Constitution wanted
68:12
it to happen or intended for it to
68:14
happen or whether it happened because
68:16
the Constitution was powerless to stop
68:20
it it happened and it’s the ultimately
68:24
the fault of the people that set that in
68:26
place so the alternative to what what TJ
68:30
and I are talking about basically being
68:32
mean to politicians that are trying to
68:33
have you potentially killed for
68:35
exercising your rights the alternative
68:38
to that is an armed revolt and there is
68:41
no movie or anything I can think of that
68:44
can addict adequately describe what an
68:47
armed revolt in the US would look like
68:49
private gun owners make up a effectively
68:54
standing army that is Larkin siddur ibly
68:56
larger I think many times larger than
68:59
all other
69:00
standing armies including the US Army
69:01
combined no they don’t have tanks and
69:04
the Apaches and whatever else the
69:06
Taliban and the Vietcong prove you don’t
69:08
need that you need the home advantage
69:10
and you need the ability to shoot people
69:13
and private gun owners US private gun
69:16
owners have both of those things
69:17
in spades the if there were a second
69:20
violent us revolution it would be both
69:23
the quickest and most brutal in terms of
69:27
loss of life revolt in history it would
69:30
be maybe a few hours to a few days and
69:34
and countless millions of people would
69:38
die as a result or we can be mean to
69:41
politicians and make them fear to lose
69:43
their job to me this is easily the most
69:46
compassionate thing that someone could
69:49
do to try to prevent that from happening
69:51
while we also don’t ultimately become
69:54
you know slaves to an ever increasing
69:57
government does that pretty much your
69:58
take on it as well oh absolutely I mean
70:02
you hit the nail on the head there
70:04
because I’m not exaggerating whenever I
70:06
say government decisions are done at the
70:08
barrel of a gun or the edge of the
70:10
machete there is inherent violence when
70:13
you’re talking about politics because it
70:14
is the adjudication of power if we know
70:17
anything from history it’s that power
70:19
corrupts you know so that’s the simple
70:21
reality of this situation here these
70:23
guys are playing dirty there’s no reason
70:26
that you need to be playing nice with
70:28
them if you put yourself on an unequal
70:31
footing with them they’re gonna take
70:33
advantage of that it’s not going to help
70:34
you out so it’s it’s one of those things
70:38
you may as well take this as far as you
70:40
can because simply put it is the way to
70:43
secure liberty while also making sure
70:46
you are keeping the peace with with
70:48
individuals because that’s the point I
70:50
would much rather run these people out
70:53
of office than see some idiot go in and
70:56
try to get to do actual violence against
70:58
against elected officials I would much
71:01
rather see peace and than that yeah
71:03
absolutely absolutely I don’t want to
71:05
see because we’ve talked on this show
71:07
about direct action and when it is you
71:10
know morally acceptable to use violence
71:12
against the state and so forth I
71:13
first of all violence against the state
71:15
isn’t always almost never advisable even
71:18
if it’s morally acceptable it’s almost
71:19
never advisable but also I don’t want to
71:23
see people die I’d rather see people if
71:27
there could have been that because
71:29
people were warned about the Holocaust
71:30
if there could have been in a situation
71:32
in which the Nazis said wait a second
71:35
let’s not kill these people this is
71:37
wrong let’s stop doing this let’s sue
71:40
for peace and let’s try to make things
71:42
work that would have been a far better
71:44
not that that was a realistic scenario
71:46
but if somehow that could have happened
71:48
that would have been a far preferable
71:49
scenario to the bombing of Dresden and
71:52
the Holocaust and the the new king of
71:54
hiroshima and nagasaki you know all of
71:56
the things that ended up happening if
71:58
instead people had stepped back
71:59
de-escalated and said hey you know what
72:02
let’s not continue doing this we started
72:04
this let’s not start doing this if we
72:06
could somehow maybe it won’t work but if
72:09
we if there’s any chance of this system
72:12
actually leet someone said can we use
72:13
the our vote against you know to use the
72:16
state or our vote for good if there’s
72:18
any chance of that happening it’s by
72:20
doing what TJ’s talking about just not
72:23
being nice to politicians that are
72:24
trying to harm you um so TJ I would just
72:29
want to get your take before I move on
72:30
to the the follower questions I just
72:32
want to get your take real quick on
72:33
where the left and and right get it
72:37
wrong left and right of the
72:39
authoritarian spectrum so you’ve got in
72:42
my mind you have the left who recognize
72:45
the individual victims of the state they
72:51
recognize systemic racism they recognize
72:53
a lot of these things but when it comes
72:55
to saying okay but it’s the state that
72:56
causes this maybe we should get rid of
72:59
or at least drastically reduce that
73:01
reduce the size and power of the state
73:03
there’s a disconnect where they say no
73:05
no that that’s definitely not gonna work
73:06
people on the right and I’m speaking
73:08
generally by and large people on the
73:10
right they recognize that the state is
73:12
often the problem not necessarily always
73:16
but often the problem but then when
73:17
you’ll give them specific examples
73:19
systemic racism you know people have
73:22
been harmed by the police very often
73:23
they’ll core you know
73:26
the stuff happening on the border with
73:28
illegal immigration and and detention
73:30
centers Foreign Wars and things like
73:32
that they start coming up with excuses
73:33
well you know the cops are just trying
73:35
to get home well you know they didn’t do
73:37
it legally and all of this stuff why do
73:39
you think there is this kind of common
73:41
disconnect between people on both sides
73:43
of the I guess authoritarian spectrum
73:45
sure I mean that’s the thing is like
73:50
people take from what take from those
73:53
what they’re right about the left is
73:55
very accurate in the fact that your
73:57
identity does play a role in your
73:59
formation of knowledge it plays a role
74:01
in your place in society but that
74:04
doesn’t mean that we should be looking
74:07
for oppressed classes because ultimately
74:10
the logical conclusion of
74:11
intersectionality is individualism
74:14
the right needs to be more suited there
74:17
the problem with the right in terms of
74:20
the authoritarian right is that they
74:23
equate they equate government as an
74:29
institution of civil society we should
74:33
be anti government but pro civil society
74:36
civil society by the way I mean Family
74:39
Research community neighborhoods things
74:42
along those lines things that bring you
74:45
with together with other people the
74:47
government isn’t something that helps
74:50
that grow it’s a parasite to all of them
74:53
every single one of them right and
74:57
that’s where they get it wrong is that
74:59
they think that the government’s in
75:01
essential to civil society and that’s
75:05
what we need to look at we need to look
75:07
at how government inherently is
75:09
oppressive to individuals but we also
75:11
need to look at how government is also
75:15
parasitic to civil society and that’s
75:17
where you can really see that if that
75:19
fusion of an I’m a really good book on
75:22
that is the quest for community by
75:24
Robert Nisbet I mean just brilliant
75:28
scholarship a blew me all over the first
75:31
time I read it so that’s something to to
75:37
consider in that but one thing to look
75:39
at is a lot of people will say
75:40
that oh they’re equally as bad of a
75:43
threat and frankly that’s nonsense the
75:47
difference between the left and the
75:48
right is that the right is that the left
75:52
is not joking that’s the difference
75:54
between the left and the right the right
75:56
says we’re going to cut the deficit
75:59
we’re going to build a wall we’re going
76:03
to expand gun they’re joking
76:06
they are joking they’re saying what it
76:08
takes they’re giving as much red meat as
76:10
they can to their base in order to keep
76:12
them voting the left isn’t kidding when
76:16
they say they want something they’re
76:17
going to do it perhaps the one thing
76:20
that I’ve seen the left actually joking
76:22
about was gun rights I that’s the one
76:25
thing that I’ve seen that cuz under
76:27
Barack Obama gun rights of gun rights
76:29
grew but he’s a right-wing joking is
76:32
that under Donald Trump your gun rights
76:34
mean jack shit to him right yeah yeah
76:39
absolutely yeah I mean obviously the
76:44
right will say we’re gonna cut the
76:47
deficit and then they’re joking they
76:48
they grow the tefa said pretty much as
76:51
fast as the left did so going by the way
76:54
I got I want to apologize because I was
76:56
tat chastised by one of the commenters
76:58
Chris Reynolds for asking you a
76:59
ridiculously long question so I
77:01
apologize that but um so we got soaked
77:05
up a couple follower questions here we
77:07
got first of all we got a lot of various
77:08
versions of why are you a fascist which
77:10
we’ve covered you’re not a fascist
77:12
you’re the opposite of a fascist I think
77:14
anyone who anyone who walks away from
77:16
this full video still thinking you’re a
77:18
fascist should probably listen a few
77:20
more times um various versions of why
77:24
did you block me which you made it clear
77:26
in the pre-show it’s because they
77:27
weren’t worth your time and you feel
77:29
like talking to him anymore and it’s you
77:31
know freedom of to dissociate because he
77:32
wanted to ultimately yeah will their so
77:35
here was a good question will there ever
77:37
be a point where people who don’t
77:38
advocate big government will use for
77:42
example scientific advancement and
77:44
social progress as the basis of policy
77:46
decisions I’m getting tired of the
77:48
options of global warming is fake or
77:50
global warming is real so everyone’s
77:52
taxes are going
77:53
up um can you repeat that question so
77:59
what they’re asking basically is it
78:02
seems like right now on the issue of for
78:04
example global warming or technology and
78:07
things like that you’ve got two
78:09
competing camps by and large one is like
78:12
it dis acknowledges that there’s an
78:14
issue or that it should even be talked
78:16
about and the other side says this is a
78:18
real issue that should be talked about
78:19
and we need to grow government to you
78:21
know never-ending huge sizes to deal
78:24
with it is there is there a potential do
78:26
you think there will be a point where
78:28
someone says okay X is an issue and we
78:30
should deal with it
78:31
here’s free market solutions to deal
78:33
with that oh god with global warming
78:36
especially free-market environmentalism
78:38
is one of the largest untapped
78:41
industries in America I mean my god look
78:45
at all of these green energy solutions
78:47
that we have right now this isn’t the
78:49
result of just government trying to look
78:52
for alternatives the things that’s
78:53
actively cleaning up the environment
78:55
right now hasn’t been the regulators
78:58
it’s been the private market right and
79:00
it’s working it’s working right now you
79:03
have a lot of alarmist saying that we
79:04
have 10 years left on this world well
79:06
they were saying that in the 1980s yeah
79:09
I’m not saying that yeah I’m not saying
79:11
climate change is a problem here is not
79:14
a problem I’m also going to say that
79:16
you’re blowing out of proportion your
79:18
plot you’re overplaying your hand at
79:20
this point yeah yeah yeah yeah no I I
79:24
agreed that first of all anyone
79:27
specifically would climate change anyone
79:29
who wants to talk about climate change
79:30
and doesn’t immediately start talking
79:32
about nuclear energy I immediately don’t
79:34
take them seriously either they aren’t
79:36
taking it seriously or they haven’t done
79:37
sufficient research because nuclear
79:39
energy in and of itself is one of the
79:41
biggest the two biggest things that
79:43
could be done and these are both
79:44
potentially free-market things are
79:45
nuclear energy and planting more trees
79:47
and those are not things that require
79:49
cap-and-trade or you know banning cow
79:52
flatulence or banning air travel or any
79:55
of this nonsense most pollution is being
79:57
done at the at the infrastructural
80:00
creation of energy level you could
80:03
reduce that the US has reduced carbon
80:06
put by a 480,000 I forget what tons
80:10
metric tons whatever unit they use
80:12
whereas most Paris climate Accord
80:16
countries have seen an increase China
80:19
India and Russia and Brazil have seen
80:22
massive increases precisely because they
80:25
are growing exponentially economically
80:28
people who want to affect change
80:30
positively should be going to these
80:33
countries and coming up with profitable
80:36
ways like nuclear energy like you know
80:39
tree planting initiatives and things
80:40
like that to try to to address this
80:44
because if you go to these developing
80:45
countries and go we’ve got a great plan
80:47
to stop climate change you’re all gonna
80:49
be poor and destitute again they’re
80:51
going to completely ignore you so so
80:54
that’s that was a good question here’s
80:56
another one do you support do you
80:58
support the actions of the government at
81:01
the us-mexico border and if so how can
81:04
you defend your support of it through a
81:06
libertarian lens I don’t that’s one of
81:14
the things that’s just that shows you
81:16
the lack of nuance among individuals
81:18
it’s like they say I say I’m not an open
81:20
borders guy right and then automatically
81:24
I support dragging people out of their
81:26
homes separating them from families and
81:28
tossing them over a arbitrarily defined
81:32
border I just I’ve been condemning that
81:35
throughout this episode and I’m not
81:37
blaming whoever asked that question
81:39
about that no I
81:40
I will never defend anything like that
81:42
in fact because if you look at it now i
81:45
x-rayed our targeting workplaces now so
81:49
I thought we were going to go off of a
81:51
merit-based immigration system right
81:52
it’s not have a job if you’re taking
81:55
care of yourself as far as I’m concerned
81:57
you should be able to stay yeah no I I
82:00
agree and to be fair the person wrote
82:02
that before they this episode started so
82:05
I like this question how do you keep
82:09
your sanity when a shameless neoliberal
82:12
whores trash her name
82:13
[Laughter]
82:18
well I love being hated actually um too
82:22
clearly especially especially whenever
82:25
it’s among defenders of the regime that
82:27
has killed millions of people in the
82:29
last century I mean we live in a
82:32
neoliberal order I don’t see why you’re
82:34
complaining I we live in a neoliberal
82:37
order with a neoconservative foreign
82:39
policy there is next to no difference
82:41
whatsoever so for the Neo liberals yeah
82:44
sure I mean yeah go ahead hate me I love
82:48
that because it shows that I’m against
82:50
your violent system and it shows that
82:53
I’m making steps to go against it it
82:55
also shows that well you have nothing on
82:59
me that you can effectively use so you
83:01
just partake in name-calling that’s fine
83:04
right right that’s how III take it as a
83:08
blessing actually and also I block a lot
83:10
of them because they’re literally not
83:12
worth my time right it’s like we’re
83:14
short ha and then I’m like all right bye
83:15
right which is that that was the
83:17
previous question so here’s the last
83:20
question and then we’ll move on to final
83:22
my fellow Americans thank you again for
83:24
coming on by the way this has been
83:25
everything I hoped it would be so I
83:26
appreciate that
83:27
a final follower question who is your
83:30
pick for president or do you even have
83:32
one oh wow
83:36
there’s a lot of good picks out there um
83:39
if Adam Koch Ashe is the nominee for the
83:42
Libertarian Party although for him I’ll
83:44
vote for Ken ruff yeah all vote for mark
83:47
Sanford as a Republican I will vote for
83:50
Justin Amash as an independent I will
83:53
work for Justin Amash as an independent
83:56
that guy I like him a lot I know there’s
84:01
some like drama and whatnot but for
84:03
God’s sake that man has a lot going for
84:06
him is a fantastic congressman
84:09
I mean Amash Koch ash ruff
84:13
Sanford those are the people that
84:15
looking at it I don’t care much about
84:18
the presidency because I really can’t
84:20
control it right I care a lot more about
84:24
local races I care more about
84:26
congressional races I didn’t look at
84:28
Thomas Massie for example amazing
84:30
congressman
84:31
and Amash amazing congressman eric
84:33
breaking amazing future congressman Nick
84:37
Freitas amazing state delegate and
84:39
amazing future congressman the that’s
84:42
what I care of Savannah Maddox my god I
84:44
want her to run for president at some
84:46
point just dear Lord the difference that
84:50
these state representatives are making
84:52
right now well it’s gonna say young
84:55
Americans for liberty gives me hope well
84:57
yeah and to speak on to expand on what
85:00
you just said with local government
85:02
focusing on that there are two reasons
85:04
to focus through actually three main
85:06
reasons to focus mostly on the local
85:07
government one you have a much more
85:09
better chance of actually affecting it
85:11
because it’s much more small and
85:12
localized and you can really hit targets
85:14
better to their decisions usually you’re
85:18
far more likely to be victimized at the
85:20
local county state level than at the
85:24
federal level that happens obviously but
85:27
like you’re far more likely to be
85:28
infringed upon by like your local cop
85:31
who lives a few miles away from you then
85:33
you know these you know black helicopter
85:35
scenarios they happen they definitely
85:37
happen where the federal government
85:38
steps in but by and large for everyone
85:40
Ruby Ridge there are countless numbers
85:42
of Eric Garner’s or or or you know
85:46
whatever else I mean they’re countless
85:48
examples of that so many so that we
85:49
don’t even hear about most of them
85:51
unless we’re in that local area and then
85:53
the third reason is you can actually
85:55
make them scared of you you’re not gonna
85:57
make the president scared of you for the
85:59
most part unless you’re incredibly
86:00
powerful but you can make a state
86:02
delegate fear to like like TJ’s done
86:05
with with various you know state people
86:06
um so those were the follower questions
86:09
so before I go on to give you your
86:12
chance to give your final thoughts I’m
86:14
gonna do something that we started a few
86:16
episodes ago called final my fellow
86:18
Americans basically I’m going to put 30
86:21
seconds on the clock which is nowhere
86:22
near enough time to answer these
86:23
questions but I’m gonna I’m gonna put
86:26
you on the clock and we’re gonna ask you
86:27
some questions and for this final my
86:30
fellow Americans what we’re gonna do is
86:31
I’m going to name some people and you’re
86:34
gonna tell me how many days they could
86:36
last in your covenant community before
86:39
they would be physically removed so to
86:41
speak or I guess if you think they’d
86:43
make it for the
86:44
long term you know for the duration you
86:46
can tell me that so I’m gonna put uh you
86:49
tell me when you’re ready ready okay so
86:52
I’m gonna put 30 seconds on the clock
86:54
good luck Bernie Sanders zero okay Ted
86:59
Cruz zero cardi B whoo
87:04
she’s a rapper zero okay Tim Crenshaw
87:09
zero Miley Cyrus zero Rand Paul three
87:17
Gary Johnson one the cop who killed Eric
87:22
garner who the cop who killed Eric
87:26
garner Oh zero Donald Trump 0 beta
87:34
overworked zero that guy in Canada who
87:38
sued to make women wax his genitals
87:42
negative 3 Kamala Harris negative 5
87:47
Lindsey Graham negative 10 any random
87:53
furry Oh God kill them on sight for
88:00
legal reasons that’s a joke right right
88:02
and then the guy Jeff who owns nukes oh
88:07
he can stay yeah so for those who don’t
88:10
know this is a side note according to
88:14
the Federation of American scientists
88:15
there are roughly I think it’s 14,000
88:19
nukes are yeah 15,000 nukes that are
88:23
currently in existence the vast vast
88:25
vast majority of them are owned by
88:27
Russia and the United States of course
88:30
as you know leftovers from the Cold War
88:32
but there are also many owned by France
88:34
China United Kingdom and so forth and
88:36
then there’s some less than 10 so we’re
88:39
between 1 and 9 nukes that are owned by
88:42
Jeff Jeff if you’re watching this
88:49
coffee’s on me if you’re ever in
88:52
Kentucky I swear I mean you talk about
88:54
Constitutional Carry Jeff disguises
88:58
Karrie at its finest jeff has possibly
89:02
up to ten nukes there are many people I
89:07
will talk poorly about on my show Jeff
89:09
is not one of these people so yes go
89:15
ahead I would believe this if it wasn’t
89:22
CNN yeah but no okay so that was just
89:26
the infographic I grabbed I’ve I have
89:29
verified your your local Jew has
89:31
verified this with multiple sources Jeff
89:34
owns like probably like seven or eight
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nukes I don’t have more nukes that North
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Korea that’s great he’s very small
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chance that Donald Trump is be
89:48
completely wasting his time in North
89:49
Korea when Jeff who presumably lives
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somewhere in the english-speaking world
89:55
I don’t know if he’s in the ice I would
89:58
assume a private person owning nukes
90:01
would be in the u.s. maybe I’m wrong
90:02
maybe I’m wrong but Jeff owns this shit
90:07
Jeff has this down Jeff if you’re
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watching
90:11
I too will give you free coffee just
90:15
just be careful man just be careful Jeff
90:17
so there’s a full salute like much good
90:21
this salute to Jeff and your nan your
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nukes we salute you on this episode
90:28
because we have muddy waters media we
90:30
fully support legalizing recreational
90:32
plutonium as Jeff has clearly done so TJ
90:37
again thank you so much for coming on
90:38
it’s been an absolute blast I touched on
90:42
everything I wanted to touch on I’m so
90:43
happy that we got to do this I
90:45
definitely want to have you on in the
90:46
future if if you’re available um I want
90:48
to give you a chance before I let you go
90:50
to give any final thoughts you have
90:52
anything that you felt like we didn’t
90:54
touch on sufficiently anything you want
90:56
to promote that’s coming up anything you
90:58
want to talk about you have as much time
90:59
as you want TJ TJ Roberts the floor is
91:02
yours
91:04
well if you are interested in going to
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Washington DC for on August 24th there
91:11
still
91:12
like a table of availability for Ron
91:15
Paul’s annual conference definitely
91:18
check that event out it’s that the Ron
91:20
Paul Institute called breaking
91:21
Washington’s addiction to war ultimately
91:24
just to reiterate you have way more
91:27
power than you think you do especially
91:29
at the local level you can make
91:31
politicians afraid of you you can make a
91:34
difference I promise you that
91:36
find your champions stay true to them
91:38
and just make sure you hold these people
91:41
accountable it’s it’s all I could ever
91:44
ask for right now because right now
91:47
that’s what’s holding the line between
91:48
peace and violence yeah absolutely and
91:52
TJ thank you again so much stick around
91:55
I’m gonna talk to you during the outro
91:56
real quick guys thank you again for
91:58
tuning in to my fellow Aamir oh let me
91:59
just make sure I don’t miss any like
92:02
Jacob said Geoff is literally dead I
92:05
don’t think I think Geoff is safe Jacob
92:08
I think Jed is no one’s screwed with
92:12
Geoff I don’t see ya I don’t Jeff is
92:18
fine I’m worried about everyone else
92:20
Geoff himself is fine oh speaking of
92:24
talking about elected officials who have
92:26
a great deal of future in the Liberty
92:28
movement okay Stuart Jones he’s a state
92:31
representative in South Carolina your
92:33
state Oh check that man out I mean we’re
92:37
talking
92:40
level Liberty having interacted with him
92:44
in person and just seeing what he has
92:46
done already he recently won a special
92:48
election already making a difference
92:50
though so expect some good expect some
92:53
great things out of him you said Stuart
92:55
Jones Stuart Jones so be sure to I’ll be
92:58
sure to check him out someone else who I
93:00
think is probably in South Carolina is
93:02
is Jeff I would imagine Jeff’s also in
93:04
South Carolina often fine we have to put
93:06
South Carolina or Florida
93:09
yes more than likely yes likely he’s
93:14
somewhere in the south probably Jeff is
93:17
probably in the south by next episode I
93:19
will try to find where Jeff is so guys
93:21
thanks again for tuning into my fellow
93:22
Americans be sure to tune in tomorrow
93:24
night at I think
93:25
eight for the writer’s block where Matt
93:27
Wright will be interviewing Aaron
93:29
Nakamoto and then be sure to tune in I
93:33
believe on Friday we’re having an
93:35
episode of mr. America the bearded truth
93:37
with our very own Jason lion then have a
93:40
great weekend I apologize for the fact
93:42
that we did not have an episode of my of
93:44
the the muddy waters of freedom last
93:46
night I had internet issues
93:48
Matt was having technical issues it was
93:51
just technical issue on top of technical
93:52
issue we may i’ll talk to Matt we may do
93:55
a makeup episode on on the over the
93:58
weekend if not then be sure to tune in
94:00
next Monday for mr. America the bearded
94:02
truth with Jacob lion and then tune in
94:05
next Tuesday night for the muddy waters
94:08
of freedom where Matt right and I will
94:09
parse through the week’s news with the
94:12
the cheer and and and love of a sweet
94:15
summer boy and then tune in next
94:18
Wednesday for my fellow Americans I’m
94:22
probably just gonna be doing and ask me
94:23
anything episode I I didn’t book a guest
94:26
and I think I’m just gonna keep it
94:28
simple I think I’m gonna do it ask me
94:29
anything episode and I’m probably gonna
94:31
do a little talk about the surprisingly
94:33
Marxist roots of the Republican Party so
94:36
be sure to tune in for that and because
94:39
I wanted like to make my Republican
94:40
viewers happy by telling them that they
94:42
were started with Marxist but like they
94:45
keep show a little love to my GOP peeps
94:48
but guys thanks again for tuning in so
94:50
much have a great rest of your evening
94:51
and god bless you
94:53
[Music]


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Spike Cohen
Spike Cohen
Local Jew. Contrarian stoic sentimentalist. Antidisestablishmentarianism. Will pet your dog.