(((My Fellow Americans))) #47: So To Speak With TJ Roberts

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so without further ado guys my guest
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tonight has had quite the career in an
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incredibly short period of time he was
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the managing editor of Liberty hangout
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and the campus coordinator for students
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for Rand Paul he’s worked on multiple
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campaigns including the Savannah Maddox
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for a Statehouse campaign he’s currently
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the vice president of the Liberty
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Institute of freedom and economics he’s
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a contributor for the advocates for
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self-government ladies and gentlemen
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please welcome to the show mr. TJ
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Roberts TJ thank you so much for joining
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us tonight
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thanks for having me on Spike yeah I’m
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really excited to have you on it’s great
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having you on if the response that I got
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from my announcement that you were
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coming on the show is any indication
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we’re both in for a hell of a ride so I
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look forward to it all right well let’s
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go with that
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yeah so guys be sure
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comment with your thoughts and questions
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and TJ and I will let you know if you
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are right or wrong now TJ this is your
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first time on the show and anytime I
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have a guest on for the first time I
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always ask as my first question what
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brought you to libertarianism would you
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say it was like an aha moment or kind of
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a gradual evolution tell us about that I
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think that libertarianism for me was
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largely a lifetime thing for me and not
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saying this in a way of saying like oh I
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was awakened from this it took time to
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develop the ideas naturally but when I
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was six years old my father died of a
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methamphetamine overdose and this was
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largely the result of a criminal justice
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system that had failed him early on in
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life right and seeing that you see this
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inextricable link to the state ruining
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the life of someone who has now left
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multiple children and an ex-wife a
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current wife and parents just behind
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because of this and it really destroyed
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his life and we still see repercussions
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of it to this day right of course I was
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until I want at this skepticism of
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government and just as time went on I
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just ran out of excuses and like alright
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yep screw it
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going full-on into this whole
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libertarianism thing of just let’s
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reject the government let’s get the
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violence out of the system let’s put key
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so let’s put peace over politics right
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yeah I can imagine that’s absolutely
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terrible I I first of all I had no idea
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but I I can’t even I I can’t even
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imagine do you are you comfortable
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talking about some of the steps that led
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to that ultimate tragedy happening like
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how how the government actually you know
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led to those types of shift so the first
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one was I don’t know the full details
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because I was really young with this
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happen but like initially he was
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arrested for simple possession of
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marijuana you know something that’s not
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even chemically addictive right right
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spends a little bit of time in jail and
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of course as time goes on he lines up
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getting into harder stuff yeah well once
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you’ve been in prison for having
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something you’re not allowed to have you
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become scared to go and seek help right
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this leads to his marriage with my
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mother breaking down and that ends
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whenever I was around two or three years
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old he gets deeper and deeper into
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addiction this was when the war on drugs
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was really at its peak in the 21st
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century and I mean he wouldn’t he
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definitely wouldn’t go out for help and
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one day he just took way too much and it
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killed him
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so that’s the whole thing is lay it just
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shows you how intervention ISM stops
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people from pursuing what would that be
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their best interests like if you are an
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addict it’s in your best interest to get
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help right but you’re risking jail time
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by doing that I don’t blame you for not
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seeking help I can’t I can’t ethically
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see myself saying well it’s your fault
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you didn’t get help at that point right
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right right well and especially when if
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you’ve already been locked up you’ve
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already been in that cage you don’t want
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to go back I mean there are very few
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people that are built for that type of
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thing and so when you think okay I can
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deal with this addiction which is you
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know what a terrible thing to have to
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deal with or I can get caged for it I I
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mean that is absolutely terrible and and
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and to think it all started over
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something that is not addictive is
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milder than alcohol is has medicinal use
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I mean it’s like a what it’s like
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arresting someone over coffee or
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something like that that’s absolutely
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terrible man I can I can only imagine
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how how that must have been man I don’t
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even know how to say way from them so
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sorry I am very sorry oh oh don’t be
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sorry I’m a stronger person because of
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it I understand I understand and that’s
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but and and and I mean it’s helped you
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to you know get into your ultimate
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activism that you’re doing today my
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first exposure to you was when you were
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working as a managing editor for
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Liberty hangout sadly after your
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departure in my opinion anyway they seem
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to have gone in the same direction that
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stefan molyneux has gone which seems to
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be kind of appealing to conservatives
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and boomers for fame and fortune looking
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back on your time there what are your
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thoughts of Liberty hangout your time
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there what led to you leaving and so
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forth
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the people there are absolutely amazing
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honestly and one thing is is that
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talking about appealing to conservatives
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and appealing to boomers they are more
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of a marketing to conservatives but you
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can see that they’ve been drawing back
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on that recently especially with Donald
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Trump’s new calls for gun laws in fact
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Caitlin Bennett their real spokesperson
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has been actively losing donors today
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especially because she came out against
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Donald Trump’s debt forgiveness for
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disabled veterans this is something that
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is a very clear socialist policy if
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Elizabeth Warren or Barack Obama did
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this conservatives would be out on the
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streets ready to riot right but because
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it’s Donald Trump doing that there
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they’re totally okay with that well
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Liberty hangout has been actively
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opposed to this they are also opposed to
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red flag gun laws so they have they’re
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good things they have they’re bad things
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and all I’d see them as a force for good
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especially now that they’re really
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coming back and saying you know what no
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this whole thing where you guys are
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accepting gun control and accepting war
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whenever it’s Donald Trump doing it
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that’s not okay and I’m really happy
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that they’re doing that especially now
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the thing that got me to leave was
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actually starting up the Liberty
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Institute for freedom and economics or
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life for short for the rest the subs I’m
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just gonna refer to it as like I just
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call it like yeah it was it was
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something that I just felt had so much
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potential and just wanted to really put
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as much time into it as possible and I
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really couldn’t juggle being the being
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as high up in two organizations at the
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same time while also working on
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campaigns and also getting ready for my
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junior year of college so it was just
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something that it was more of a time
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management thing
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something had to go yeah I this thing
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with with the gun control I’m glad to
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hear first of all that that Liberty
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hangout isn’t going down that same route
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as many conservatives who are finding
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any possible way they can to either
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justify or rationalize red flag laws
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which in my mind I mean it’s bad enough
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to say okay this gun is banned you can’t
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spy it anymore or whatever it’s an
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entirely different thing to say any
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person who doesn’t like you can call the
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police they can get this warrant that’s
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like the easiest thing to get without
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even telling you that they’re getting it
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and then go what you know so you can’t
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try to represent yourself and they can
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come to your house and tell you you have
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to give up all of your guns including a
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revolver or whatever I mean it you know
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it’s not you know just your assault what
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it’s any kind of weapon at all they
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could take your knives if they wanted to
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and you can’t resist that and I mean
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we’ve already seen deaths from that in
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Maryland I forget the man’s name we’ve
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seen I mean over 10 deaths from this
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already just in state a federal red flag
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law is worse than anything we ever heard
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from from the Obama administration the
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Clinton administration or really any
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other administration and to watch
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conservatives defend that although today
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conservatives are defending you know
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Donald Trump saying that Jews have to
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vote for him or else they’re being
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disloyal to a foreign nation that was
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founded by Marxist but I mean what do
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you think about this that that so many
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people that have been supposedly
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fighting along with us you know for our
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Second Amendment rights are just caving
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because it’s a Republican that you know
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happens to be doing it oh they put party
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over politics and that’s one of our
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biggest problems in America but it’s
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always important to remember Glenn
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Bernie’s name that’s the victim of the
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red flag laws in Maryland it’s always
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important to remember that because well
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I mean thinking about it was 5:00 a.m.
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when the police broke into his home
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you know if you are coming into my home
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by force and my family is sleeping there
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it’s your life or my life because at
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that point I had just woken up I’m
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probably groggy I’m probably confused
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sorry
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don’t come in expecting a peaceful
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resolution
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something especially when you’re on
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someone else’s property I mean what’s
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this thing it’s I might got people red
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flag laws violate not just the Second
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Amendment they violate the Fourth
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Amendment against unwarranted searches
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and seizures violates the Fifth
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Amendment violet your due process
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violation to a speedy trial by jury it
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violates your right your right to be
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protected from cruel and unusual
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punishment as far as I’m concerned if
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something is taken from you when no
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crime has been committed that’s cruel
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and unusual punishment it also violates
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the First Amendment because we now see
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Donald Trump winning Chris Cuomo
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disarmed for getting upset at a
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supporter for calling him Fredo for
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calling him Fredo in front of his family
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right right right right yeah so I’m like
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was what Chris Cuomo did okay no but you
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know what else isn’t okay
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disarming do your political rivals
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that’s something that you expect our
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totalitarian dictatorships so that’s six
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amendments of the Bill of Rights and the
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fact that you have Rand Paul out here
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supporting red flag gun laws
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shows exactly how disgraceful it is and
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why you should never trust a politician
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yeah I’m gonna we’re gonna talk more
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about ran later trust me but uh yeah I
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think it’s I think it’s absolutely
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ridiculous but I want to talk about life
16:35
we are gonna just call it life that’s
16:37
way easier than trying a Liberty
16:38
Institute of freedom a we could call it
16:40
life so you started life last year the
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year before I started it last year yes
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and you’re the vice president of course
16:50
this is a very fascist organization by
16:53
the way it’s so much so that it has
16:54
libertarian socialists in the leadership
16:56
team but tell us about about life tell
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us what it’s about and and what y’all
17:03
are doing over there sure so the main
17:07
objective of life is to give exposure to
17:11
relatively unknown figures within the
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Liberty movement essentially we want to
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take the ideas of the Mises Institute
17:19
people on those lines the austere
17:21
libertarian tradition of self ownership
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and firm Austrian economics but also
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give other people the opportunity to
17:27
spread these ideas to be the second-hand
17:30
dealer of ideas as Friedrich Hayek once
17:31
put it right right so let me listen to
17:34
more of a millennial slash generation Z
17:37
tone and that’s something that we think
17:39
is really important is by
17:40
having that fusion there you can spread
17:42
those ideas we’re at a bit of a hiatus
17:45
right now due to the fact that there’s
17:47
just a lot of us are working full-time
17:49
jobs right now and if simply don’t have
17:51
the time it means to do it but it has a
17:53
lot of promise and there’s actually
17:56
really good scholarship on the site that
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as like once we get this thing back up
18:02
has really quality content some of its
18:05
republished thankfully to the things to
18:07
the fine people at 71 Republic comm
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couple articles are on the Mises
18:12
Institute as well right now which is
18:14
absolutely wonderful so that’s that’s
18:17
more or less what the mission of it is
18:19
is to promote freedom particularly to
18:22
young people and give exposure to a
18:24
relatively unknown folk within the
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Liberty movement who deserve this
18:27
exposure that’s really cool that’s good
18:29
yeah I mean so much of political stuff
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in general not just libertarian but
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political stuff in general it’s geared
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towards the people that have
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traditionally consumed that kind of
18:41
stuff you’re leaving out a generation
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that I mean your age and younger you
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were up trying to think what you’re how
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old again you’re 20 I’m 21 okay you’re
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21 um so you were trying to do the math
18:58
so you were born in 98 so you and anyone
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younger than you didn’t even really
19:03
experience the last major you know like
19:07
economic boom supposedly we’ve been in
19:09
an economic boom but the inflation has
19:11
been kind of stripping it out for the
19:12
most part yeah your generation and
19:15
younger people you and your age and
19:17
younger have really gotten the worst end
19:20
of what boomers have created for us in
19:23
in with this government and to not reach
19:26
out to them when they’re hearing right
19:28
now they’re mostly being marketed to by
19:30
boomer socialists saying we’re gonna
19:33
give you free stuff which is what they
19:34
told their parents and their
19:36
grandparents and what got us here in the
19:37
first place and when you’re in the
19:40
situation that many people your age and
19:42
younger are in or even older that sounds
19:45
very appealing
19:46
if no one else is marketing to them
19:49
you’re basically ensuring the worst-case
19:53
scenarios for
19:54
the state and our society moving forward
19:57
so I think it’s a it’s a really really
19:59
good thing that you’re doing
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I want to we have to I have to I’m gonna
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address the elephant in the room as it
20:06
were the two biggest reasons I brought
20:08
you on was to talk about how and why we
20:12
should make politicians afraid which
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we’ll talk about shortly but also the
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some of the misconceptions in
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libertarian circles around private
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property and the concept of physical
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removal so to speak but before we get
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into the weeds of this just give me your
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basic rundown of your thoughts on self
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ownership and and private property okay
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sure so you own yourself and the reason
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why is because of private property
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ultimately what determines whether
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something or not is yours is if you are
20:45
the first user I think it is your stay
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facto or if you acquired through
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voluntary transactions that’s the only
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two ways to do it so you own your body
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and first and foremost you are the first
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user of it and second it’s impossible to
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voluntarily give it away you could do
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that when you’re dead but what as long
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as you are alive you cannot to sell
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yourself is to commit an act of fraud
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but it goes even deeper than that to
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deny self ownership in itself is an
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assertion of self ownership so with that
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in mind you can see that self ownership
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is inherently an a priori sztyc truth to
21:26
argue against it is to prove it correct
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and essentially right because you
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couldn’t argue you couldn’t argue in the
21:33
first place if you weren’t asserting
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your ability to make that assertion in
21:36
the first place right so take the take
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the assertion I do not own myself I do
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not own myself is a claim that is made
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by a cellphone agent so you are
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utilizing self ownership to deny it and
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therefore you’re proving that any denial
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thereof is inherently contradictory
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right that’s so that’s the that’s my
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foundation for private property rights
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of course this whole thing gets into the
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human nature I mean but this is one that
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we just see of this is self
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the origin here when Tom a political
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philosophy doesn’t matter I believe it
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comes from God
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you don’t have to it regardless of where
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it comes from this is the reality of the
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situation in which we live so that’s the
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private profit so that leads us to the
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private property ethic so this applies
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to all other items on this planet that
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are not already owned by someone else
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you can appropriate it for yourself or
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if it is owned by someone else you can
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acquire through voluntary transactions
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so just simple about that now what we’re
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talking about with the whole thing of
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physical removal this freight phrase
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comes from Hans Hermann Hoppus book
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democracy the God that failed it’s in
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his chapter on conservatism and
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libertarianism he talks about how while
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libertarianism is strictly private
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property rights there are very clear
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correlations between cultures and
23:05
adherence to private property rights
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than other cultures and he uses this
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just to show you that that typically
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will see more Western centric groups
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have a greater sense of private property
23:17
rights that’s not always the case but
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most of the time that’s where a lot of
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it has come from but let’s just take it
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a step back here is like the particular
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line that he says I’m paraphrasing there
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can be no tolerance for Communists and
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Democrats he’s talking about advocates
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of democracy not members of the
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Democratic Party Republicans as far as
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he’s concerned are also Democrats right
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right well in a libertarian social order
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they will have to be physically
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separated from society so the real
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phrase isn’t exactly physical removal
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its physical separation so everyone says
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like oh there’s no difference between
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this and violence well no actually
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because violence is an action physical
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separation is an adjective so if you are
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an anarchic immunised that is fine you
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own yourself you get to decide your own
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preferences but you don’t have the right
24:14
to do is steal from others but also
24:15
think about this if you are an Antarctic
24:18
communist why would you want to live in
24:20
a community that has
24:22
strict adherence to the capitalist
24:25
interpretation of private property right
24:27
you wouldn’t you would live separately
24:30
from these individuals so and think
24:33
about it like the example that hopper
24:35
uses and this is what everyone tries to
24:37
bash hop on is he uses an example of a
24:40
hyper conservative community that hates
24:44
gays loves Christianity and is all for
24:49
essentially just straight white
24:52
Christian ethics right this by the way
24:55
is the opposite of Hoppus ethical
24:57
circumstances by the way cultural he’s a
24:59
cosmopolitan he’s married to a Muslim he
25:02
lives in a majority Browns a country he
25:05
was in Turkey right yeah he lives in
25:09
Turkey yeah so a majority Muslim brown
25:12
country yeah yeah and is married to a
25:15
Muslim cell right yeah that’s a real
25:16
traditional conservative guy right there
25:18
I’m sure so that’s the bit point there
25:22
that he’s just giving an example of that
25:24
well let’s talk about an example of a
25:26
community that is all members of the
25:30
lgbtq+ community all people of color
25:34
would they want a white nationalist
25:36
living in that community no obviously
25:39
right it’s it’s common sense
25:42
so like the that’s the whole that’s a
25:45
whole deal like what I attend a
25:47
Democratic Socialist of America
25:49
conference not unless I was getting paid
25:51
to cover it as a journalist which I
25:53
barely do that anymore right so I so
25:59
it’s one of those things that’s just
26:00
it’s simple common sense that people put
26:02
their feelings over the reality of the
26:04
situation and so that’s really like the
26:08
general rundown of it if there’s
26:10
anything I can do to clear it up though
26:12
further I’m all ears
26:14
yeah absolutely so first of all I want
26:16
to go back to we got a comment back when
26:18
we were talking about red flag laws from
26:20
Vincent pitch he OD I think I’m saying
26:22
that right he said I’ve been labeled
26:24
level 2 bipolar and PTSD I will be
26:27
banned from gun ownership in
26:28
Pennsylvania if the Dems and wolf who is
26:31
their governor passed their gun control
26:34
legislation that’s this is a perfect
26:35
example
26:36
of when you criminalize the fact that
26:40
someone may have for example you know
26:43
mental illness now your your your it’s
26:46
like thoughtcrime from Minority Report
26:48
sir it’s it’s it’s terrible it’s a
26:50
perfect example of that
26:51
going stepping back a little on physical
26:53
removal for those who don’t know like
26:55
use like TJ said the term physical
26:57
removal in the context we’re talking
26:59
about was first coined or at least made
27:01
popular by hands Herman hapa who is a
27:04
professor of economics at the University
27:06
of Nevada in Las Vegas prominent
27:09
proponent of Austrian economics and
27:11
anarcho-capitalist theory he talks about
27:14
how in the absence of a state private
27:15
property owners could choose to
27:17
voluntarily create covenant communities
27:19
where they could set terms and
27:20
conditions I’m pretty much as touching
27:22
on what you just said where they could
27:23
set terms and conditions for being a
27:24
part of that community and people who
27:26
refuse to abide by those terms and
27:28
conditions could be physically removed
27:30
so to speak from those communities
27:32
meaning that they would be asked to
27:36
leave and if they didn’t then they would
27:38
be removed physically here are the two
27:41
quotes from hoppy hoppy that his critics
27:44
seized upon usually they don’t do the
27:46
whole quote they’ll take parts that they
27:48
don’t like you actually mentioned I
27:50
think at least one of these I edited
27:54
these slightly for brevity they’re still
27:56
very long quotes you usually only get
27:58
about ten words from them from someone
28:00
who’s criticizing him but in this one he
28:02
says in a these are both from democracy
28:04
the God that failed which he wrote in
28:05
2001 or published in 2001 in a covenant
28:08
among proprietor and community tenants
28:10
for the purpose of protecting their
28:12
private property no such thing as a
28:14
right to free unlimited speech exists
28:16
not even to unlimited speech on one’s
28:18
own
28:19
tenant property one may say innumerable
28:22
things and promote almost any idea Under
28:24
the Sun but naturally no one is
28:26
permitted to advocate ideas contrary to
28:29
the very covenant of preserving and
28:31
protecting private property such as
28:32
democracy and communism there can be no
28:35
– this is the part most people seize
28:36
upon there can be no tolerance towards
28:38
Democrats and communists in a
28:40
libertarian social order they will have
28:42
to be physically separated and removed
28:43
from society the second quote the one
28:47
that really gets people worked up and is
28:49
really
28:50
in my mind taken out of context he says
28:53
a society in which the right to
28:55
exclusion is fully restored to owners of
28:58
private property would be profoundly
29:01
unny Galit Aryan intolerant and
29:03
discriminatory there would be little or
29:05
no tolerance and open-mindedness so
29:08
clear so dear to left-libertarians
29:10
instead one would be on the right path
29:13
towards restoring the freedom of
29:15
association and exclusion implied in the
29:18
institution of private property there
29:20
would be signs regarding the entrance
29:22
requirements to the town and once in
29:24
town requirements for entering specific
29:26
pieces of property here’s where you
29:28
usually get the quote for example no
29:30
beggars bums are homeless but also no
29:32
homosexuals drug users Jews Muslims
29:35
Germans or Zulus and those who did not
29:39
meet these entrance requirements would
29:41
be kicked out as trespassers now again
29:44
Hoppa is German so he clearly isn’t
29:48
advocating for all communities to not
29:52
allow Germans because he’s German so he
29:57
wouldn’t be allowed in any community so
29:59
I just wanted clarify just because yes
30:01
he also I think he was giving and you
30:03
can correct me if I’m wrong because
30:05
you’re way more well-read on hoppy than
30:07
I am and in fact you’ve actually met him
30:11
well talk to me about these quotes and
30:14
the concept of physical removal sure no
30:21
no no I was just gonna say specifically
30:23
because you you’ve already touched quite
30:25
a bit on it but specifically when he’s
30:27
talking about these hypothetical
30:28
hypothetical examples of like no I don’t
30:32
do lose there aren’t a lot of Zulus but
30:34
no black people or no Hispanics or no
30:37
whites or whatever talk to me about the
30:38
context of what he’s saying
30:41
yeah the context is that simply put
30:43
people have the right to their own
30:45
personal preferences you as a
30:47
libertarian don’t have the right to
30:49
control what people like and what people
30:51
don’t like what you do have the right to
30:53
control as a libertarian is when someone
30:55
is using violence against you right and
30:57
we’re talking about initiative physical
30:59
violence if you break into someone’s
31:01
house and they shoot you
31:03
that is not their problem that’s yours
31:06
that’s one of the just basic tenets that
31:10
shouldn’t even be discussed it’s one of
31:13
those common-sense points but so the
31:19
first quotation talking about there’d be
31:22
no time for this one of the biggest
31:23
misconceptions about physical removal is
31:25
that it’s an affirmative action that the
31:27
people will grab their pitchforks and
31:30
torches and they will go out and they
31:32
will drag them out on the streets and
31:34
kick them off look that’s not what
31:37
physical removal is it never has been
31:40
never will be you can see one in an
31:43
article from Stephan Kinsella about
31:45
clarifications on physical removal in
31:47
covenant communities he’s talking about
31:49
basic contract theory essentially people
31:51
who don’t meet the contracts wouldn’t
31:55
enter to begin with essentially and
31:58
anyone who wouldn’t meet a contract
32:01
anyway well that contract wouldn’t be
32:02
formed in the first place because that
32:05
person already lives there right so
32:08
there’s that first point so it’s about
32:10
voluntarily established standards among
32:13
people who are currently living there
32:15
they have every right to do that now one
32:18
of the objections of people have like
32:19
well what about people who are born into
32:21
this and don’t meet the objections to
32:23
this well once again you look to the
32:25
libertarian position on immigration
32:27
which is that we privatized land we
32:31
allow the property owners to determine
32:33
who comes on and who leaves if you
32:36
invite someone you are a de facto
32:38
sponsor of that individual that’s your
32:42
decision to deal with not the decisions
32:45
of the community not the decisions of
32:46
any government in fact right this is the
32:49
system that gets the government out of
32:51
everything quite frankly because let’s
32:53
be honest here we’re inherently social
32:56
beings and if you want proof of that
32:57
we’re communicating right now we’re
32:59
speaking in language right so and
33:03
individualism is great let’s just need
33:06
to pretend that that is the end-all
33:07
be-all of human existence there’s so
33:09
much more to humanity onto the second
33:12
one so not only would Hoppa not be
33:15
welcome in a community if he was being
33:17
literal there but also not only would
33:20
his wife eyes that’s some of the things
33:24
there to think about on that so what
33:26
he’s talking about there is he’s giving
33:29
an example the example that he’s giving
33:31
is a highly culturally conservative
33:32
community that is established their
33:34
boundaries of what is allowed what is
33:37
not allowed right do I agree with these
33:39
standards absolutely not
33:41
is it their right to have those
33:43
standards sure let’s just put it this
33:46
way like if I were to go to a business
33:50
and this business refuses to hire me
33:53
because the business owner is a Nazi I
33:56
wouldn’t want to be working for that
33:58
business to begin with I mean why why
34:02
would I want to subsidize that okay so
34:04
and the bigotry or ethnic purity
34:09
standards and whatnot it’s not a
34:11
limitation on other people it’s a
34:12
limitation on the person setting the
34:14
standards right that’s the first thing
34:17
to begin with you have every right to
34:18
limit yourself what you don’t have a
34:20
right to do is use violence against
34:22
someone because you hate that feature
34:23
about them correct and right I’m pretty
34:25
sure literally anyone who takes the
34:29
private property ethic as standard would
34:31
agree with this right but yes so that’s
34:35
that’s just a rundown of it you know any
34:38
other questions about it ya know so
34:40
here’s here’s my thing with um here’s my
34:43
example of a covenant community
34:47
quote/unquote happening even in this
34:48
data society so my wife and I have a lot
34:51
of gay and trans friends in this area
34:55
which is Myrtle Beach very heavily where
34:57
the buckle of the Bible Belt so it’s not
35:00
like there are so if you open a gay club
35:05
you got to be careful because they’re
35:08
going to everything from people who are
35:10
well-meaning who want to come in and
35:11
witness you know Christianity or
35:13
whatever to you all the way to people
35:15
that want to like you know go in and
35:16
threaten people and say you’re all going
35:18
to hell or whatever and everything in
35:19
between and so we are actually of one of
35:22
the the LGBT clubs here we’re actually
35:25
lifetime members they give memberships
35:29
to people which are free but you
35:31
through agree to a bunch of terms and
35:33
and of course it’s you know no
35:34
proselytizing no bashing gays no you
35:37
know misgendering people all these
35:39
different things and you agree to these
35:40
terms and if you disagree to these terms
35:42
or if you if you disagree to these terms
35:44
they won’t let you in if you agree to
35:45
them and then at some later date we’re
35:47
welcome there
35:48
even though we’re straight and sis het
35:50
and married and you know fairly
35:52
traditional whatever we’re welcome there
35:55
if we went in there and at some point I
35:57
started saying gay is you know bad and
36:00
you’re all going to hell or what they
36:01
would tell me that I needed to leave and
36:03
if I said no I refuse to leave I’m gonna
36:05
sit right here and say all gays are
36:07
going to hell they’re gonna remove me
36:09
probably physically or they’re going to
36:12
call the police or call security or
36:14
someone’s someone’s going to make me not
36:15
be there anymore now if you conflate
36:17
that out to a post State Society if
36:20
you’ve got like you said an LGBTQ
36:23
community and they go you know what
36:26
we’re gonna let straight people in and
36:27
visit or whatever but you have to not
36:30
break these rules and not you know try
36:32
to harm us and not you know say bad
36:34
things about being gay or whatever and
36:36
if someone went in and did that they’d
36:37
be violating that right and I don’t
36:39
think any libertarian would claim that
36:41
there’s something something wrong with
36:43
that now in your article physical
36:47
removal is essential to Liberty you stay
36:49
and and I’m quoting here at any level
36:52
from the nation to the community here’s
36:55
the big part to the individual one has
36:59
the right to secede and form his or her
37:02
own form of culture and to exclude all
37:04
who advocate against one’s culture from
37:08
their property and I take that to mean
37:10
for example if a here’s an example you
37:13
mentioned a gay person so let’s say that
37:16
my father and mother moved in – they
37:20
wouldn’t but let’s say they moved into
37:21
this you know culturally Christian
37:25
community that doesn’t allow
37:26
homosexuality or advocacy of
37:28
homosexuality or whatever and they’ve
37:31
passed away and I I’ve now owned this
37:34
property but I’m gay and I I say well
37:39
okay I’m gay and I’m not gonna pretend
37:42
I’m not gay so I want to secede from my
37:45
property from
37:45
this community I’m not gonna use your
37:47
Commons I’m not going to go to your
37:49
meetings or events or whatever but I’m
37:52
gonna remain in my home and freely
37:54
associate with others outside of the
37:56
community who wish to do that are you
37:58
saying that that would be OK for me to
38:00
do that yes yes absolutely
38:03
the only instance in which that would
38:05
not be okay is if somehow there is a
38:08
firm contract that your parents didn’t
38:11
own that house but rather they leased or
38:14
they rented it right but other will
38:16
otherwise no absolutely if you are the
38:19
firm owner of it you can null and void
38:23
the contract there and say look I’m not
38:25
gonna take part in your nonsense here
38:27
what you guys are doing here is heinous
38:30
in my personal ethics continue doing it
38:33
whatever I’m not gonna stop you but
38:35
you’re not gonna force me to be in that
38:37
absolutely right that’s the thing is
38:39
that secession is an individual right so
38:43
yeah I mean that’s the entire point like
38:46
it’s literally one of the most
38:48
common-sense points but people just get
38:51
so angry about because at the very
38:53
foundation of it is that left
38:56
libertarians desire openness over actual
39:00
Liberty Liberty is not necessarily open
39:03
it allows people to exclude themselves
39:06
from any situation that they want and
39:08
let libertarians probably wouldn’t want
39:11
this whole dedication to openness if it
39:14
meant that they had to associate with
39:17
individuals who hated them for their
39:18
very existence but yet openness taken to
39:21
its logical conclusion would it would
39:24
have to because otherwise you’re
39:26
arbitrarily deciding what you’re open to
39:28
which is okay if you’re doing that for
39:31
yourself we all arbitrarily decide who
39:33
we wanted to associate with whether we
39:35
say it or not I am arbitrarily I
39:37
arbitrarily decided to ask you if you’d
39:39
like to come on my show you arbitrarily
39:41
told me you’d like to like it wasn’t it
39:43
we didn’t use some systemic ideological
39:45
belief about Association it was just
39:47
would you like to come on yeah sure
39:49
would you like to have me on yeah sure
39:51
so I know I I agree with that no let me
39:53
ask we we had to make sure I was
39:55
oppressed enough right yeah what did you
39:58
did you meet enough of the inner set
39:59
of whatever so so I want to ask you is
40:03
this Hoppy’s view as well
40:05
can a that a property owner can secede
40:07
themselves and their individual
40:08
properties from a community if they
40:09
decide to because it seems like without
40:11
that severability or that secession
40:13
ability we’re eventually going to end up
40:16
with all of the heart hallmarks of a
40:18
state at some point at some people all
40:20
of the people that originally agreed to
40:21
these things will be dead leaving behind
40:24
a bunch of people who won’t be able to
40:25
secede from it so I assume but you can
40:27
correct me if I’m wrong that hapa agrees
40:29
with you on this that down to the
40:31
individual you can secede from from your
40:34
owned property from the Covenant yes
40:38
absolutely and it’s the whole point of
40:41
why would a is so that’s the thing like
40:44
physically removed or physically
40:46
separated once again isn’t them coming
40:48
to your home dragging you out if you
40:53
refuse to pay rent that might happen
40:54
because you voluntarily agreed to that
40:58
is that was a your decision but if we’re
41:01
talking about a difference in cultural
41:02
preferences and you own that property no
41:04
physically removed in that sense is that
41:07
your property is no longer a part of
41:10
that community that’s the difference so
41:13
whenever so whenever some room
41:16
temperature IQ individual says that this
41:18
is no different from deportation well
41:21
it’s pretty damn different because no
41:24
one’s getting violently drugged out of
41:26
their home and separated from their
41:28
families and put over an arbitrarily
41:31
drawn border so it’s very different in
41:34
fact yeah no it’s completely different
41:36
now again there could be like in Mike
41:38
like my example with the LGBTQ Club I
41:41
could be physically removed so to speak
41:43
from the from the property if I’m
41:45
refused because it’s not my property and
41:47
in that example even I don’t even own it
41:49
in common I’m literally just a guest in
41:52
an example where if I were where I’m the
41:54
gay guy with my you know my the house
41:57
that I’ve inherited I can voluntarily
42:00
secede if I then say well I’m still
42:02
going to go to community meetings and
42:04
advocate for acceptance of homosexuality
42:06
and so forth that’s a problem because
42:09
I’m no longer in my property I’m in a
42:11
property of people who have specific
42:13
quickly said that is the preference to
42:15
not have that and they don’t have to
42:17
accept that any more than if I were to
42:19
create a community of only LGBT Jewish
42:22
people who whatever I can say I only
42:26
want we only want people in here who are
42:28
gay and whose first name starts with an
42:30
S and and you know and and only that if
42:34
you’re if you don’t meet those terms
42:35
then we want you we don’t want you here
42:37
and we don’t have to have a good reason
42:38
for that the only reason is we own
42:40
ourselves we on our property and we
42:41
don’t want whatever we don’t want and we
42:44
do want whatever we we do want now
42:46
speaking of your article which by the
42:49
way it’s great it’s in the show notes I
42:51
encourage you guys to read this I hope
42:53
that this has helped deal with some of
42:54
these misconceptions and outright
42:56
falsehoods regarding physical removal
42:59
but but speaking of your article you
43:01
chose to use this photo of Augusto
43:05
Pinochet alongside a helicopter as the
43:07
picture for your article this was
43:10
written in a November of 2017 for those
43:13
who don’t know Pinochet was a military
43:15
dictator in Chile who he he overtook the
43:19
communist government in a in a coup
43:21
d’etat he was a military dictator he
43:24
often threw his political opponents from
43:26
helicopters most of whom were socialists
43:28
and communists ironically he also
43:30
implemented a lot of oddly free-market
43:33
economic reforms that Chile benefits
43:35
from to this day but he was also a
43:37
brutal tyrant we’re not making excuses
43:39
for that some people seem to be more
43:41
upset they didn’t get past the picture
43:44
they were more upset about him being the
43:46
photo that you chose for your article
43:48
that about the actual article itself
43:50
which many of them didn’t actually read
43:52
which was evidenced by my communicating
43:54
with them about it I’m curious did you
43:56
put up that photo of Pinochet solely to
43:58
trigger people and get more exposure did
44:00
you support Pinochet at that I’d like
44:02
what was your reasoning behind that so I
44:05
never I never been much of a fan of
44:08
Pinochet I’ve actually studied military
44:10
dictatorship in South America he was a
44:12
bad guy
44:13
obviously but there’s a double meaning
44:16
to it so this article was published
44:19
after I had gone to the Mises Institute
44:22
35th anniversary event at that event
44:27
Rowland chief Michael malleus gifted
44:30
Hans Hermann hapa with a toy helicopter
44:32
yeah yeah and me and a bunch of my
44:36
friends we got with dr. hapa
44:38
and we got a picture with him holding
44:41
this helicopter yeah and
44:43
left-libertarians lost their damn minds
44:46
it was incredible so I was like you know
44:50
what screw it these people are beyond
44:52
reason so I’m gonna put up this
44:54
thumbnail that is perhaps the most
44:57
absurdly hilarious in a dark sense it
45:04
was very darkly hilarious yes just to
45:07
just to filter out the weaklings because
45:10
honestly for all the people who are more
45:12
triggered by the thumbnail well your
45:15
tears are delicious and you’ll never
45:17
make a difference so this okay and I
45:21
just wanted to clarify that I did not
45:24
think that you were a simply yeah I put
45:27
it this way if you worry supporter of
45:28
Pinochet at one time I assume that was
45:30
in the past just from what I know about
45:32
you and your advocacy but I just wanted
45:35
to give you a chance to talk about that
45:37
because we have the link there and I
45:39
know I’m gonna get comments from people
45:40
and calls from people that are like this
45:42
thing has you know Pinochet in a
45:44
helicopter with a communist symbol
45:46
behind I’m gonna show it one more time
45:48
but yeah go ahead and check that that
45:50
article out I’m sure you’ll love it your
45:53
kids will love it so I so yeah so Oh
45:57
real quick we have a couple of comments
46:01
that I want to go we had one person say
46:08
a TJ holds himself much higher and is
46:10
much smarter than most his age good
46:12
listen we got a question from Jason King
46:16
Rhee who asked is voting violence or can
46:20
we use the state for good you got any
46:21
thoughts on that hobby Yama’s dulce
46:26
that’s Latin by the way for why don’t we
46:29
have both because voting is violence
46:33
it’s choosing leaders for other people
46:36
right essentially and your what the what
46:39
your decision winds up being as the
46:41
if you’re in the majority that’s the
46:43
decision everyone has to live with right
46:45
well unless you’re taller left or
46:46
college but you know among the voting
46:48
majority your your vote is your your
46:51
vote is influencing who ends up becoming
46:53
the leader right well but let’s also be
46:57
very clear here that not all violence is
46:59
unacceptable once again if someone
47:01
breaks into your house and you shoot
47:03
them well that’s acceptable that’s
47:06
that’s self-defense you can easily vote
47:09
in self-defense and I have done that and
47:12
I will continue to do that there are
47:14
fantastic candidates within my district
47:18
I live in Thomas Massey’s can
47:20
congressional district Rand Paul is
47:24
pretty good I won’t vote for him if he
47:26
decides to follow through on this whole
47:29
red flag thing but the Savannah Maddox
47:33
she is incredible young Americans for
47:37
liberty now has 39 elected state
47:39
representatives that are making a
47:41
difference fighting for the basic
47:43
liberties that we are guaranteed as
47:45
Americans in this in the in this country
47:48
I mean we are seeing great change coming
47:52
out of this system so you can use the
47:55
state for good but yes
47:57
voting is violence but self-defense is
48:01
essential the rules kind of go out the
48:04
door whenever you realize that this is a
48:05
war right right yeah no I agree voting
48:08
is violence so use it defensively if
48:10
you’re gonna use it if you if you decide
48:11
you want to use your vote your proxy
48:13
violence vote then do so defensively
48:16
let’s see what else we have here
48:26
so part of the problem is like I’ll miss
48:29
comments because some reason with
48:30
livestream I don’t get all the comments
48:32
but but here’s one question can’t you
48:35
expand actually there’s two questions
48:37
here Jacob LaBelle asks are there and
48:40
there are Association own common areas
48:42
that are the only access to the private
48:44
property yes that that’s correct Jacob
48:47
so in a in a post state society you
48:50
would have in many cases you’d have
48:52
these voluntary communities and similar
48:54
to like within a
48:55
– away they may say hey let’s have a
48:57
common pool or let’s have a common I
48:59
don’t know theater or let’s have a you
49:02
know a shopping area that’s for us and
49:04
for guests that want to come in and shop
49:05
and that can help raise revenue to help
49:07
pay for our common prop and everyone’s
49:09
there all of the private property owners
49:10
are agreeing to sublet or delegate their
49:13
property into common ownership that’s
49:16
you know run by some you know counselor
49:18
or group or whatever that they set up
49:20
but it’s all voluntary everyone has to
49:22
agree to it to this to have happened in
49:24
the first place and if it’s some person
49:25
so if at some point someone doesn’t
49:27
agree they can secede their property
49:29
from that um
49:30
Vincente Patroni says can’t you expand
49:33
this idea to other sovereign states
49:35
meaning the reciprocity of borders in
49:38
general because I may have misunderstood
49:40
the argument but it seems like the
49:41
argument is borders are not real that
49:43
the problem with the state Vincent is
49:45
that we never consented I’ll let you TJ
49:47
expand on that more on the difference
49:49
between a a private border and state
49:52
borders yeah I mean a state border is
49:55
formed and initiated by a monopoly on
49:58
the use of violence now even at the
50:01
state level just to be clear I am NOT an
50:05
advocate of open borders but what I’m an
50:09
advocate of is getting the government
50:10
out of immigration so long as the state
50:12
order has to exist I’m actually in favor
50:15
right now of creating more state borders
50:17
as in I want to see mass secession
50:20
efforts I would love to see the u.s.
50:23
turn into 50 separate states where they
50:25
can make their own rules I would love
50:27
that it would be way better than what we
50:30
have right now am i saying it’s perfect
50:32
no but it’s a step up it’s an absolute
50:35
step up from the absolute shit show we
50:37
are currently in in which 300 million
50:39
Americans have to live under the same
50:41
set of rules system is not working it’s
50:44
failing regarding private borders Jeff
50:48
diced actually puts it really well I’m
50:51
quoting him here in a libertarian
50:53
society there is no common or public
50:55
space there are property lines not
50:57
borders when it comes to real property
50:59
and physical movement across such real
51:01
property there are owners guests
51:04
licensees business invitees and
51:07
trespassers not legal
51:09
and illegal immigrants so that’s the
51:12
ideal situation let’s make sure we have
51:15
that but we can see something similar to
51:17
that in the here and now if we go to
51:20
more of a new closer to an invitation
51:23
based system now everyone says like well
51:26
this is just some fascist restriction on
51:28
immigration it absolutely isn’t if
51:31
you’re if there’s unclaimed land sure go
51:33
to it and make it your own right because
51:35
there’s nothing you don’t need an invite
51:36
there but I’ve never heard a fascist
51:40
endorsed chain migration which is
51:43
exactly why that’s what a system would
51:47
head would be right if you wind up here
51:50
you’re probably gonna invite people that
51:52
you would want to be a part of your
51:53
family over there as well that’s right
51:55
that’s chain that’s chain migration
51:56
right so it’s one of those things that
52:00
interestingly enough it makes everyone
52:03
mad at the same time and that’s probably
52:05
the why I support it but who knows I
52:08
just have a have a problem with
52:10
agreeableness right find something that
52:12
people dislike and then come up with
52:14
your rationale after the fact to why
52:17
it’s good but no I mean the reason that
52:18
the reason both sides are upset about it
52:20
is because it removes government control
52:22
so one side wants government telling
52:24
people they can’t come and the other
52:26
side wants government essentially
52:28
inviting for lack of a better word the
52:31
entire world to come and saying we’ll
52:33
even Rob these people that are already
52:34
here and give some of it to you and also
52:37
telling all these people and you have to
52:39
associate with them you can’t choose to
52:41
to you know secede or dissociate from
52:43
these people because you don’t you don’t
52:44
want to associate with them so you’ve
52:46
got both sides that want control whereas
52:48
you’re saying let’s have a system where
52:51
if someone is welcomed welcomed by
52:54
someone who’s willing to invite them
52:55
vouch for them take care of them if need
52:58
be make sure that they you know get work
53:00
or you know that their needs are met
53:01
whatever great come on over like you
53:04
said that’s chain migration which
53:06
doesn’t really make anyone happy but uh
53:08
makes us happy but um so okay so I have
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54:07
that plug is done now for one of my
54:09
favorite subjects which is of course
54:12
making politicians really scared and
54:14
afraid a subject here to you as well
54:18
first of all before we get into this how
54:20
potrait and we touched touched on this
54:21
briefly how betrayed do you feel by Rand
54:24
Paul right now I put if I did my math
54:30
correctly I put thousands of hours
54:33
helping Rand Paul in the 2015 through
54:36
2016 elections both for president and
54:39
for Senate I did this because he
54:43
promised Liberty he promised to stand up
54:45
for your rights unconditionally that was
54:50
a lie that was a lie
54:51
hands down I have never felt more burned
54:54
in puppet in my time in politics this is
54:57
something that I take personally because
54:59
I know the people that surrounded him I
55:02
were talking about these guys are the
55:05
ones who brought him in here Donald
55:07
Trump did nothing for him to get him
55:09
where he is right now and yet he is
55:11
bending the knee to him over the people
55:14
that actually put him where he is right
55:15
now right it is the ultimate betrayal
55:18
and it’s one of those things like I can
55:21
look past voting for people voting to
55:24
confirm people like sessions or Pompeo I
55:26
can look past that did I like it no but
55:29
I can look past that but whenever you’re
55:31
talking about an initiative that
55:33
violates more than half of the Bill of
55:35
Rights I’m not looking
55:37
that but it’s one of those points that
55:38
just it makes it to where you take those
55:42
hours that you had and you believed and
55:45
you learned that that was a waste of
55:47
time you know so but it also it’s also a
55:51
hard lesson here because it shows that
55:53
Rand Paul does not appear the Liberty
55:56
people who got him where he is right now
55:58
and quite frankly one of the most
56:01
important lessons you can learn and this
56:03
is from my craw Feld
56:05
if you are not politically feared you
56:08
will not be politically respected and
56:12
that’s a that’s that’s pretty much it
56:15
that’s the problem is that right now
56:18
politicians largely fear boomers and I
56:26
mean maybe insulted
56:28
I mean suppose they don’t know know know
56:33
they don’t fear boomers it’s just that
56:35
boomers tacitly support the socialist
56:38
policies that the politicians want
56:41
because those policies inherently grow
56:43
their power so it’s not so much a matter
56:45
of fear because if it was a matter of
56:48
fear you would see the Democrats also
56:50
calling for football players to stop
56:53
kneeling but you don’t really see that
56:55
fair enough
56:56
yeah you so it’s one of those whole
56:59
things like they don’t necessarily fear
57:00
them it’s just that they have they have
57:02
conjoined interests essentially fair
57:05
enough I would say there is a level of
57:06
fear when it comes to things like Social
57:08
Security and Medicare
57:09
but yes overall they’re not like you
57:11
know what if what if a Boomer disagrees
57:13
with me on the specific things but there
57:14
are the so-called third rails where it’s
57:16
like you will lose 60 percent of the
57:19
vote seventy percent of the vote if you
57:21
advocate for even touching Medicare in
57:23
any substantial way to to try to bend
57:27
that cost curve at all and and turn it
57:29
into something that doesn’t bankrupt our
57:30
our kids and grandkids but to be fair
57:33
and and at least hopefully this makes
57:35
you feel a little bit better Rand Paul
57:36
obviously is not the only person that’s
57:38
folding on gun control and and due
57:40
process in general we’ve got Dan
57:41
Crenshaw it sounds like Ted Cruz maybe
57:43
even a folding on it Donald Trump
57:47
honestly I don’t know about you I never
57:49
expected him not to fold
57:50
that this he’s been talking about gun
57:52
control since he was a Democrat you know
57:55
six years ago I mean it he’s been
57:58
talking about this for quite some time I
57:59
always thought this is what would happen
58:01
after a tragedy but you’re seeing
58:03
so-called pro-second amendment
58:05
you know Republicans and other
58:06
politicians who are just folding on it
58:08
now to that end let’s talk about your
58:11
work in direct activism not just in
58:14
working with campaigns but more
58:15
importantly in holding them accountable
58:16
once they’re actually in office we like
58:19
you just said we can work really hard to
58:21
get politicians elected to office and if
58:24
once they get in there they go yeah
58:25
thanks a lot I’m gonna do whatever the
58:27
hell I want then you just wasted a bunch
58:29
of time so in my mind it’s even more
58:31
important that no matter who won that
58:33
you make them afraid to go against your
58:36
your policy proposals which in your
58:38
cases is maximizing individual liberty
58:41
now talk to me about the ways that you
58:44
make politicians scared to cross you and
58:46
largely in their constituents sure one
58:51
of the things to consider is that
58:53
politics is war at its most
58:54
passive-aggressive sorry you’re not
58:57
going to you’re not going to sit down
59:00
with a politician and have coffee and
59:02
change their mind about policies that’s
59:04
really cute it’s adorable but the fact
59:07
that that politician is sitting down
59:09
having coffee with you shows that
59:10
they’re not afraid of you simple reality
59:12
of it I don’t mean to get all
59:14
uneffectual with you but yeah you’re not
59:16
special enough to we’re having coffee
59:18
with a politician we’ll get you to get
59:19
them to change their mind what will
59:21
change their mind however is going to
59:24
their FEC webpage finding their donors
59:27
and then finding their and their their
59:32
campaign managers neighborhoods and then
59:35
putting fliers in those neighborhoods
59:37
informing them that this guy is about to
59:41
vote against your second Amendment
59:42
rights right that’s one way to do it
59:44
because then they’re like oh god they
59:46
flyer bombed this entire neighbor they
59:48
must have done the entire district it
59:50
scares the hell out of them especially
59:53
whenever those guys call in and start
59:55
being like what is this I hear about you
59:57
trying to vote vote against
59:59
constitutional carry politicians
60:02
responding to things it’s pleasure and
60:04
pain
60:04
one of the two so the pleasure would be
60:07
like endorsements public praise
60:10
donations things like that the pain can
60:15
be flier bombs public condemnation
60:18
public shaming the biggest one is a
60:20
primary opponent if you can get a solid
60:22
primary opponent even if you lose you’re
60:25
sending a message that you don’t care
60:27
about the party line here you care about
60:29
the policy line and you have to draw
60:32
those lines in the sand very very
60:33
carefully so that’s the big thing with
60:36
it is just show like ultimately you
60:38
don’t care I mean one example of this is
60:40
like I’m not gonna name names on this
60:43
because this one went really well
60:45
okay Kentucky now is a Constitutional
60:49
Carry state you can carry a concealed
60:52
firearm without a permit one state
60:55
representative who was the vice chair of
60:57
the Judiciary Committee chose not to
61:00
respond if you want to backtrack the
61:02
stuff go to my personal facebook you’ll
61:04
find the post in which I did something
61:06
above about this I emailed him and asked
61:09
him where he stood on this bill about
61:11
three days past no response I followed
61:13
up two days past so I posted on Facebook
61:15
saying I’m not sure why this guy has to
61:18
come out for Constitutional Carry yet I
61:20
certainly hope that he’s not fall
61:22
faltering on our Second Amendment rights
61:24
he’s a freshman congressman so I’m not
61:26
enough freshmen state representative so
61:28
don’t you shouldn’t have much faith in
61:29
him all hell broke loose
61:33
right and I remember yeah well he
61:37
eventually like comments saying like
61:39
well these is something like well
61:41
commenting on facebook here and getting
61:43
all these emails isn’t going to change
61:45
my mind and then he’s like I’m concerned
61:47
about this because multiple law
61:48
enforcement officers have told me that
61:50
they don’t like this bill and whenever a
61:51
politician says law enforcement officers
61:53
have told me they don’t like this bill
61:55
but they’re really saying is that police
61:57
unions don’t like this bill correct
61:59
that’s what they’re saying he found our
62:04
target and we I mean just straight up we
62:09
we made it to where he was afraid to
62:11
vote against the bill and so he voted
62:13
for it I mean that’s just the reality of
62:17
the situation
62:18
and we needed that vote we got the vote
62:21
and now it’s law you do not need to pay
62:24
a fine or go through and extensively
62:27
gated territory of trainings and
62:30
paperwork in order to carry a concealed
62:32
firearm in the state of Kentucky that’s
62:34
a win for liberty especially for people
62:36
who need to be able to defend themselves
62:38
the most that’s the simple reality of it
62:40
so that’s just one example of it where
62:44
essentially if what it is that you
62:47
realize that politics is nothing more
62:49
than the adjudication of power so that
62:51
means you have to leverage the power you
62:53
have against others and ultimately you
62:56
do have way more power than you think
62:57
you do I promise ya this is how you use
63:00
it right and so for those who might be
63:03
bristling at hearing about this because
63:07
I’ve heard I’ve seen people were like
63:08
well you know we don’t have to be
63:10
uncivil
63:11
first of all let’s put aside for a
63:13
moment what we’ll talk about in a moment
63:15
the history of civility with politicians
63:17
in this country but let’s talk okay so
63:22
there are people that get upset at the
63:24
idea of for example like you said flyer
63:27
bombing or directly confronting people
63:29
not threatening them or trying to harm
63:31
them or anything like that but directly
63:32
you know getting in front of them and
63:35
saying like we’re gonna ruin your career
63:37
and you know how would such and such
63:40
think about you you know you not you
63:42
voting against this and like making it
63:43
personal that seems really you know
63:46
people go that’s rude you don’t have to
63:48
do it there are other ways to do it
63:49
there are other ways to do it and
63:50
sometimes they might be effective if
63:53
those things aren’t effective the
63:55
alternative is staying civil super nice
63:57
and civil and having this person vote
64:01
against your interests and now the
64:04
police can end up killing you over it or
64:07
arresting you over it or killing or
64:10
arresting so when you care about or
64:12
killing and arresting a bunch of people
64:13
you don’t even know but you know harming
64:16
people because we said well I voted and
64:20
I did my best and I want to be mean
64:22
about it
64:23
now I’m a pretty agreeable and nice guy
64:25
I totally I don’t see the argument for
64:31
being nice to someone
64:32
who is about to vote your rights and in
64:35
and by voting your rights away also
64:37
voting your safety away in the process
64:39
now do I want to ask you this did you
64:42
when you start have when you first went
64:44
into this were you just like yeah hell
64:46
yeah I’m gonna destroy these people or
64:47
was there a little bit of resistance at
64:49
first and it took a while to get used to
64:50
it like how did that work
64:52
politicians killed my dad they’re not
64:54
people you know I have no respect for
64:58
them one one rule the one rule that I’ve
65:02
I’ve come to follow is if I cannot say
65:04
something mean about a politician I’m
65:06
not gonna say anything about them so
65:10
that’s just a rule about it and I was I
65:12
was all about this especially in 2016
65:16
2016 I saw a speech from Mike Rothfeld
65:18
who’s the founder of the foundation for
65:21
apply conservative leadership just
65:23
opened my eyes to this it was amazing I
65:27
mean just really change the way that I
65:30
looked at things and just really made me
65:31
like think yeah it’s about time we
65:34
actually started taking this seriously
65:36
because right now being nice to these
65:38
people it never has worked it never will
65:41
work and quite frankly it sets us down a
65:43
dangerous road
65:44
because you should be thankful
65:46
regardless of how unfree we are in
65:48
America which granted we are unfree
65:50
right
65:51
you should still be thankful to live in
65:53
this country because in quite literally
65:56
every other country every government
65:58
decision is made at the barrel of a gun
66:00
or the edge of a machete and it’s quite
66:03
and it’s quite often directly at the
66:05
barrel of a gun or the edge of a machete
66:07
right there’s no proxy at least with us
66:11
there is a proxy to it right now
66:14
politicians aren’t afraid of anything
66:15
and when a politician isn’t afraid of
66:17
anything they move inch toward
66:20
dictatorship and whenever you wind up
66:22
with the dictatorship the politician
66:24
doesn’t fear for their job they fear for
66:26
their life because ultimately the people
66:28
will wind up just being complacent as
66:31
they can be until they snap yeah with
66:34
this way with this model they’re fearing
66:36
for their jobs I’d much rather see
66:39
people lose their jobs than lose their
66:41
lives because the blood the blood loss
66:44
would be
66:46
horrible yeah this is like this is the
66:48
only peaceful solution is to get
66:51
confrontational with them show them that
66:53
you are also a person with power who can
66:57
make change yeah yeah exactly talking
67:01
about so and you started to touch on
67:02
this let’s talk about the alternative to
67:06
this piece largely peaceful not
67:08
necessarily nice but peaceful
67:09
alternative let’s talk about the other
67:11
thing that could happen so again we were
67:14
talking about before the history of this
67:16
country was founded on a bunch of people
67:18
who basically shot at and killed lots of
67:22
law enforcement agents and said no we’re
67:24
not gonna do it this way we’re gonna do
67:26
it our way
67:27
they set in place the Articles of
67:29
Confederation which was an actual
67:31
attempt to limit government in quite an
67:33
impressive way actually and then you had
67:35
people who usurped it illegally not that
67:39
it matters anymore because the Articles
67:40
of Confederation are now null and void
67:42
no one’s there to enforce it but they
67:44
basically came in and said no we need
67:46
more central control we need to be able
67:47
to tax we need to be able to have a
67:49
standing army we need to be able to blah
67:51
blah blah blah blah blah the people who
67:53
resisted that were nice about it
67:56
they maybe said some mean things but
67:58
they were nice about it and as a result
68:00
the Articles of Confederation were
68:02
replaced with a document that ultimately
68:05
led to what we have now and like
68:07
Lysander Spooner said whether it
68:10
happened because the Constitution wanted
68:12
it to happen or intended for it to
68:14
happen or whether it happened because
68:16
the Constitution was powerless to stop
68:20
it it happened and it’s the ultimately
68:24
the fault of the people that set that in
68:26
place so the alternative to what what TJ
68:30
and I are talking about basically being
68:32
mean to politicians that are trying to
68:33
have you potentially killed for
68:35
exercising your rights the alternative
68:38
to that is an armed revolt and there is
68:41
no movie or anything I can think of that
68:44
can addict adequately describe what an
68:47
armed revolt in the US would look like
68:49
private gun owners make up a effectively
68:54
standing army that is Larkin siddur ibly
68:56
larger I think many times larger than
68:59
all other
69:00
standing armies including the US Army
69:01
combined no they don’t have tanks and
69:04
the Apaches and whatever else the
69:06
Taliban and the Vietcong prove you don’t
69:08
need that you need the home advantage
69:10
and you need the ability to shoot people
69:13
and private gun owners US private gun
69:16
owners have both of those things
69:17
in spades the if there were a second
69:20
violent us revolution it would be both
69:23
the quickest and most brutal in terms of
69:27
loss of life revolt in history it would
69:30
be maybe a few hours to a few days and
69:34
and countless millions of people would
69:38
die as a result or we can be mean to
69:41
politicians and make them fear to lose
69:43
their job to me this is easily the most
69:46
compassionate thing that someone could
69:49
do to try to prevent that from happening
69:51
while we also don’t ultimately become
69:54
you know slaves to an ever increasing
69:57
government does that pretty much your
69:58
take on it as well oh absolutely I mean
70:02
you hit the nail on the head there
70:04
because I’m not exaggerating whenever I
70:06
say government decisions are done at the
70:08
barrel of a gun or the edge of the
70:10
machete there is inherent violence when
70:13
you’re talking about politics because it
70:14
is the adjudication of power if we know
70:17
anything from history it’s that power
70:19
corrupts you know so that’s the simple
70:21
reality of this situation here these
70:23
guys are playing dirty there’s no reason
70:26
that you need to be playing nice with
70:28
them if you put yourself on an unequal
70:31
footing with them they’re gonna take
70:33
advantage of that it’s not going to help
70:34
you out so it’s it’s one of those things
70:38
you may as well take this as far as you
70:40
can because simply put it is the way to
70:43
secure liberty while also making sure
70:46
you are keeping the peace with with
70:48
individuals because that’s the point I
70:50
would much rather run these people out
70:53
of office than see some idiot go in and
70:56
try to get to do actual violence against
70:58
against elected officials I would much
71:01
rather see peace and than that yeah
71:03
absolutely absolutely I don’t want to
71:05
see because we’ve talked on this show
71:07
about direct action and when it is you
71:10
know morally acceptable to use violence
71:12
against the state and so forth I
71:13
first of all violence against the state
71:15
isn’t always almost never advisable even
71:18
if it’s morally acceptable it’s almost
71:19
never advisable but also I don’t want to
71:23
see people die I’d rather see people if
71:27
there could have been that because
71:29
people were warned about the Holocaust
71:30
if there could have been in a situation
71:32
in which the Nazis said wait a second
71:35
let’s not kill these people this is
71:37
wrong let’s stop doing this let’s sue
71:40
for peace and let’s try to make things
71:42
work that would have been a far better
71:44
not that that was a realistic scenario
71:46
but if somehow that could have happened
71:48
that would have been a far preferable
71:49
scenario to the bombing of Dresden and
71:52
the Holocaust and the the new king of
71:54
hiroshima and nagasaki you know all of
71:56
the things that ended up happening if
71:58
instead people had stepped back
71:59
de-escalated and said hey you know what
72:02
let’s not continue doing this we started
72:04
this let’s not start doing this if we
72:06
could somehow maybe it won’t work but if
72:09
we if there’s any chance of this system
72:12
actually leet someone said can we use
72:13
the our vote against you know to use the
72:16
state or our vote for good if there’s
72:18
any chance of that happening it’s by
72:20
doing what TJ’s talking about just not
72:23
being nice to politicians that are
72:24
trying to harm you um so TJ I would just
72:29
want to get your take before I move on
72:30
to the the follower questions I just
72:32
want to get your take real quick on
72:33
where the left and and right get it
72:37
wrong left and right of the
72:39
authoritarian spectrum so you’ve got in
72:42
my mind you have the left who recognize
72:45
the individual victims of the state they
72:51
recognize systemic racism they recognize
72:53
a lot of these things but when it comes
72:55
to saying okay but it’s the state that
72:56
causes this maybe we should get rid of
72:59
or at least drastically reduce that
73:01
reduce the size and power of the state
73:03
there’s a disconnect where they say no
73:05
no that that’s definitely not gonna work
73:06
people on the right and I’m speaking
73:08
generally by and large people on the
73:10
right they recognize that the state is
73:12
often the problem not necessarily always
73:16
but often the problem but then when
73:17
you’ll give them specific examples
73:19
systemic racism you know people have
73:22
been harmed by the police very often
73:23
they’ll core you know
73:26
the stuff happening on the border with
73:28
illegal immigration and and detention
73:30
centers Foreign Wars and things like
73:32
that they start coming up with excuses
73:33
well you know the cops are just trying
73:35
to get home well you know they didn’t do
73:37
it legally and all of this stuff why do
73:39
you think there is this kind of common
73:41
disconnect between people on both sides
73:43
of the I guess authoritarian spectrum
73:45
sure I mean that’s the thing is like
73:50
people take from what take from those
73:53
what they’re right about the left is
73:55
very accurate in the fact that your
73:57
identity does play a role in your
73:59
formation of knowledge it plays a role
74:01
in your place in society but that
74:04
doesn’t mean that we should be looking
74:07
for oppressed classes because ultimately
74:10
the logical conclusion of
74:11
intersectionality is individualism
74:14
the right needs to be more suited there
74:17
the problem with the right in terms of
74:20
the authoritarian right is that they
74:23
equate they equate government as an
74:29
institution of civil society we should
74:33
be anti government but pro civil society
74:36
civil society by the way I mean Family
74:39
Research community neighborhoods things
74:42
along those lines things that bring you
74:45
with together with other people the
74:47
government isn’t something that helps
74:50
that grow it’s a parasite to all of them
74:53
every single one of them right and
74:57
that’s where they get it wrong is that
74:59
they think that the government’s in
75:01
essential to civil society and that’s
75:05
what we need to look at we need to look
75:07
at how government inherently is
75:09
oppressive to individuals but we also
75:11
need to look at how government is also
75:15
parasitic to civil society and that’s
75:17
where you can really see that if that
75:19
fusion of an I’m a really good book on
75:22
that is the quest for community by
75:24
Robert Nisbet I mean just brilliant
75:28
scholarship a blew me all over the first
75:31
time I read it so that’s something to to
75:37
consider in that but one thing to look
75:39
at is a lot of people will say
75:40
that oh they’re equally as bad of a
75:43
threat and frankly that’s nonsense the
75:47
difference between the left and the
75:48
right is that the right is that the left
75:52
is not joking that’s the difference
75:54
between the left and the right the right
75:56
says we’re going to cut the deficit
75:59
we’re going to build a wall we’re going
76:03
to expand gun they’re joking
76:06
they are joking they’re saying what it
76:08
takes they’re giving as much red meat as
76:10
they can to their base in order to keep
76:12
them voting the left isn’t kidding when
76:16
they say they want something they’re
76:17
going to do it perhaps the one thing
76:20
that I’ve seen the left actually joking
76:22
about was gun rights I that’s the one
76:25
thing that I’ve seen that cuz under
76:27
Barack Obama gun rights of gun rights
76:29
grew but he’s a right-wing joking is
76:32
that under Donald Trump your gun rights
76:34
mean jack shit to him right yeah yeah
76:39
absolutely yeah I mean obviously the
76:44
right will say we’re gonna cut the
76:47
deficit and then they’re joking they
76:48
they grow the tefa said pretty much as
76:51
fast as the left did so going by the way
76:54
I got I want to apologize because I was
76:56
tat chastised by one of the commenters
76:58
Chris Reynolds for asking you a
76:59
ridiculously long question so I
77:01
apologize that but um so we got soaked
77:05
up a couple follower questions here we
77:07
got first of all we got a lot of various
77:08
versions of why are you a fascist which
77:10
we’ve covered you’re not a fascist
77:12
you’re the opposite of a fascist I think
77:14
anyone who anyone who walks away from
77:16
this full video still thinking you’re a
77:18
fascist should probably listen a few
77:20
more times um various versions of why
77:24
did you block me which you made it clear
77:26
in the pre-show it’s because they
77:27
weren’t worth your time and you feel
77:29
like talking to him anymore and it’s you
77:31
know freedom of to dissociate because he
77:32
wanted to ultimately yeah will their so
77:35
here was a good question will there ever
77:37
be a point where people who don’t
77:38
advocate big government will use for
77:42
example scientific advancement and
77:44
social progress as the basis of policy
77:46
decisions I’m getting tired of the
77:48
options of global warming is fake or
77:50
global warming is real so everyone’s
77:52
taxes are going
77:53
up um can you repeat that question so
77:59
what they’re asking basically is it
78:02
seems like right now on the issue of for
78:04
example global warming or technology and
78:07
things like that you’ve got two
78:09
competing camps by and large one is like
78:12
it dis acknowledges that there’s an
78:14
issue or that it should even be talked
78:16
about and the other side says this is a
78:18
real issue that should be talked about
78:19
and we need to grow government to you
78:21
know never-ending huge sizes to deal
78:24
with it is there is there a potential do
78:26
you think there will be a point where
78:28
someone says okay X is an issue and we
78:30
should deal with it
78:31
here’s free market solutions to deal
78:33
with that oh god with global warming
78:36
especially free-market environmentalism
78:38
is one of the largest untapped
78:41
industries in America I mean my god look
78:45
at all of these green energy solutions
78:47
that we have right now this isn’t the
78:49
result of just government trying to look
78:52
for alternatives the things that’s
78:53
actively cleaning up the environment
78:55
right now hasn’t been the regulators
78:58
it’s been the private market right and
79:00
it’s working it’s working right now you
79:03
have a lot of alarmist saying that we
79:04
have 10 years left on this world well
79:06
they were saying that in the 1980s yeah
79:09
I’m not saying that yeah I’m not saying
79:11
climate change is a problem here is not
79:14
a problem I’m also going to say that
79:16
you’re blowing out of proportion your
79:18
plot you’re overplaying your hand at
79:20
this point yeah yeah yeah yeah no I I
79:24
agreed that first of all anyone
79:27
specifically would climate change anyone
79:29
who wants to talk about climate change
79:30
and doesn’t immediately start talking
79:32
about nuclear energy I immediately don’t
79:34
take them seriously either they aren’t
79:36
taking it seriously or they haven’t done
79:37
sufficient research because nuclear
79:39
energy in and of itself is one of the
79:41
biggest the two biggest things that
79:43
could be done and these are both
79:44
potentially free-market things are
79:45
nuclear energy and planting more trees
79:47
and those are not things that require
79:49
cap-and-trade or you know banning cow
79:52
flatulence or banning air travel or any
79:55
of this nonsense most pollution is being
79:57
done at the at the infrastructural
80:00
creation of energy level you could
80:03
reduce that the US has reduced carbon
80:06
put by a 480,000 I forget what tons
80:10
metric tons whatever unit they use
80:12
whereas most Paris climate Accord
80:16
countries have seen an increase China
80:19
India and Russia and Brazil have seen
80:22
massive increases precisely because they
80:25
are growing exponentially economically
80:28
people who want to affect change
80:30
positively should be going to these
80:33
countries and coming up with profitable
80:36
ways like nuclear energy like you know
80:39
tree planting initiatives and things
80:40
like that to try to to address this
80:44
because if you go to these developing
80:45
countries and go we’ve got a great plan
80:47
to stop climate change you’re all gonna
80:49
be poor and destitute again they’re
80:51
going to completely ignore you so so
80:54
that’s that was a good question here’s
80:56
another one do you support do you
80:58
support the actions of the government at
81:01
the us-mexico border and if so how can
81:04
you defend your support of it through a
81:06
libertarian lens I don’t that’s one of
81:14
the things that’s just that shows you
81:16
the lack of nuance among individuals
81:18
it’s like they say I say I’m not an open
81:20
borders guy right and then automatically
81:24
I support dragging people out of their
81:26
homes separating them from families and
81:28
tossing them over a arbitrarily defined
81:32
border I just I’ve been condemning that
81:35
throughout this episode and I’m not
81:37
blaming whoever asked that question
81:39
about that no I
81:40
I will never defend anything like that
81:42
in fact because if you look at it now i
81:45
x-rayed our targeting workplaces now so
81:49
I thought we were going to go off of a
81:51
merit-based immigration system right
81:52
it’s not have a job if you’re taking
81:55
care of yourself as far as I’m concerned
81:57
you should be able to stay yeah no I I
82:00
agree and to be fair the person wrote
82:02
that before they this episode started so
82:05
I like this question how do you keep
82:09
your sanity when a shameless neoliberal
82:12
whores trash her name
82:13
[Laughter]
82:18
well I love being hated actually um too
82:22
clearly especially especially whenever
82:25
it’s among defenders of the regime that
82:27
has killed millions of people in the
82:29
last century I mean we live in a
82:32
neoliberal order I don’t see why you’re
82:34
complaining I we live in a neoliberal
82:37
order with a neoconservative foreign
82:39
policy there is next to no difference
82:41
whatsoever so for the Neo liberals yeah
82:44
sure I mean yeah go ahead hate me I love
82:48
that because it shows that I’m against
82:50
your violent system and it shows that
82:53
I’m making steps to go against it it
82:55
also shows that well you have nothing on
82:59
me that you can effectively use so you
83:01
just partake in name-calling that’s fine
83:04
right right that’s how III take it as a
83:08
blessing actually and also I block a lot
83:10
of them because they’re literally not
83:12
worth my time right it’s like we’re
83:14
short ha and then I’m like all right bye
83:15
right which is that that was the
83:17
previous question so here’s the last
83:20
question and then we’ll move on to final
83:22
my fellow Americans thank you again for
83:24
coming on by the way this has been
83:25
everything I hoped it would be so I
83:26
appreciate that
83:27
a final follower question who is your
83:30
pick for president or do you even have
83:32
one oh wow
83:36
there’s a lot of good picks out there um
83:39
if Adam Koch Ashe is the nominee for the
83:42
Libertarian Party although for him I’ll
83:44
vote for Ken ruff yeah all vote for mark
83:47
Sanford as a Republican I will vote for
83:50
Justin Amash as an independent I will
83:53
work for Justin Amash as an independent
83:56
that guy I like him a lot I know there’s
84:01
some like drama and whatnot but for
84:03
God’s sake that man has a lot going for
84:06
him is a fantastic congressman
84:09
I mean Amash Koch ash ruff
84:13
Sanford those are the people that
84:15
looking at it I don’t care much about
84:18
the presidency because I really can’t
84:20
control it right I care a lot more about
84:24
local races I care more about
84:26
congressional races I didn’t look at
84:28
Thomas Massie for example amazing
84:30
congressman
84:31
and Amash amazing congressman eric
84:33
breaking amazing future congressman Nick
84:37
Freitas amazing state delegate and
84:39
amazing future congressman the that’s
84:42
what I care of Savannah Maddox my god I
84:44
want her to run for president at some
84:46
point just dear Lord the difference that
84:50
these state representatives are making
84:52
right now well it’s gonna say young
84:55
Americans for liberty gives me hope well
84:57
yeah and to speak on to expand on what
85:00
you just said with local government
85:02
focusing on that there are two reasons
85:04
to focus through actually three main
85:06
reasons to focus mostly on the local
85:07
government one you have a much more
85:09
better chance of actually affecting it
85:11
because it’s much more small and
85:12
localized and you can really hit targets
85:14
better to their decisions usually you’re
85:18
far more likely to be victimized at the
85:20
local county state level than at the
85:24
federal level that happens obviously but
85:27
like you’re far more likely to be
85:28
infringed upon by like your local cop
85:31
who lives a few miles away from you then
85:33
you know these you know black helicopter
85:35
scenarios they happen they definitely
85:37
happen where the federal government
85:38
steps in but by and large for everyone
85:40
Ruby Ridge there are countless numbers
85:42
of Eric Garner’s or or or you know
85:46
whatever else I mean they’re countless
85:48
examples of that so many so that we
85:49
don’t even hear about most of them
85:51
unless we’re in that local area and then
85:53
the third reason is you can actually
85:55
make them scared of you you’re not gonna
85:57
make the president scared of you for the
85:59
most part unless you’re incredibly
86:00
powerful but you can make a state
86:02
delegate fear to like like TJ’s done
86:05
with with various you know state people
86:06
um so those were the follower questions
86:09
so before I go on to give you your
86:12
chance to give your final thoughts I’m
86:14
gonna do something that we started a few
86:16
episodes ago called final my fellow
86:18
Americans basically I’m going to put 30
86:21
seconds on the clock which is nowhere
86:22
near enough time to answer these
86:23
questions but I’m gonna I’m gonna put
86:26
you on the clock and we’re gonna ask you
86:27
some questions and for this final my
86:30
fellow Americans what we’re gonna do is
86:31
I’m going to name some people and you’re
86:34
gonna tell me how many days they could
86:36
last in your covenant community before
86:39
they would be physically removed so to
86:41
speak or I guess if you think they’d
86:43
make it for the
86:44
long term you know for the duration you
86:46
can tell me that so I’m gonna put uh you
86:49
tell me when you’re ready ready okay so
86:52
I’m gonna put 30 seconds on the clock
86:54
good luck Bernie Sanders zero okay Ted
86:59
Cruz zero cardi B whoo
87:04
she’s a rapper zero okay Tim Crenshaw
87:09
zero Miley Cyrus zero Rand Paul three
87:17
Gary Johnson one the cop who killed Eric
87:22
garner who the cop who killed Eric
87:26
garner Oh zero Donald Trump 0 beta
87:34
overworked zero that guy in Canada who
87:38
sued to make women wax his genitals
87:42
negative 3 Kamala Harris negative 5
87:47
Lindsey Graham negative 10 any random
87:53
furry Oh God kill them on sight for
88:00
legal reasons that’s a joke right right
88:02
and then the guy Jeff who owns nukes oh
88:07
he can stay yeah so for those who don’t
88:10
know this is a side note according to
88:14
the Federation of American scientists
88:15
there are roughly I think it’s 14,000
88:19
nukes are yeah 15,000 nukes that are
88:23
currently in existence the vast vast
88:25
vast majority of them are owned by
88:27
Russia and the United States of course
88:30
as you know leftovers from the Cold War
88:32
but there are also many owned by France
88:34
China United Kingdom and so forth and
88:36
then there’s some less than 10 so we’re
88:39
between 1 and 9 nukes that are owned by
88:42
Jeff Jeff if you’re watching this
88:49
coffee’s on me if you’re ever in
88:52
Kentucky I swear I mean you talk about
88:54
Constitutional Carry Jeff disguises
88:58
Karrie at its finest jeff has possibly
89:02
up to ten nukes there are many people I
89:07
will talk poorly about on my show Jeff
89:09
is not one of these people so yes go
89:15
ahead I would believe this if it wasn’t
89:22
CNN yeah but no okay so that was just
89:26
the infographic I grabbed I’ve I have
89:29
verified your your local Jew has
89:31
verified this with multiple sources Jeff
89:34
owns like probably like seven or eight
89:37
nukes I don’t have more nukes that North
89:42
Korea that’s great he’s very small
89:45
chance that Donald Trump is be
89:48
completely wasting his time in North
89:49
Korea when Jeff who presumably lives
89:54
somewhere in the english-speaking world
89:55
I don’t know if he’s in the ice I would
89:58
assume a private person owning nukes
90:01
would be in the u.s. maybe I’m wrong
90:02
maybe I’m wrong but Jeff owns this shit
90:07
Jeff has this down Jeff if you’re
90:10
watching
90:11
I too will give you free coffee just
90:15
just be careful man just be careful Jeff
90:17
so there’s a full salute like much good
90:21
this salute to Jeff and your nan your
90:25
nukes we salute you on this episode
90:28
because we have muddy waters media we
90:30
fully support legalizing recreational
90:32
plutonium as Jeff has clearly done so TJ
90:37
again thank you so much for coming on
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it’s been an absolute blast I touched on
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everything I wanted to touch on I’m so
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happy that we got to do this I
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definitely want to have you on in the
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future if if you’re available um I want
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to give you a chance before I let you go
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to give any final thoughts you have
90:52
anything that you felt like we didn’t
90:54
touch on sufficiently anything you want
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to promote that’s coming up anything you
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want to talk about you have as much time
90:59
as you want TJ TJ Roberts the floor is
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yours
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well if you are interested in going to
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Washington DC for on August 24th there
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still
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like a table of availability for Ron
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Paul’s annual conference definitely
91:18
check that event out it’s that the Ron
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Paul Institute called breaking
91:21
Washington’s addiction to war ultimately
91:24
just to reiterate you have way more
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power than you think you do especially
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at the local level you can make
91:31
politicians afraid of you you can make a
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difference I promise you that
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find your champions stay true to them
91:38
and just make sure you hold these people
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accountable it’s it’s all I could ever
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ask for right now because right now
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that’s what’s holding the line between
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peace and violence yeah absolutely and
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TJ thank you again so much stick around
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I’m gonna talk to you during the outro
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real quick guys thank you again for
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tuning in to my fellow Aamir oh let me
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just make sure I don’t miss any like
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Jacob said Geoff is literally dead I
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don’t think I think Geoff is safe Jacob
92:08
I think Jed is no one’s screwed with
92:12
Geoff I don’t see ya I don’t Jeff is
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fine I’m worried about everyone else
92:20
Geoff himself is fine oh speaking of
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talking about elected officials who have
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a great deal of future in the Liberty
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movement okay Stuart Jones he’s a state
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representative in South Carolina your
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state Oh check that man out I mean we’re
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talking
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level Liberty having interacted with him
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in person and just seeing what he has
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done already he recently won a special
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election already making a difference
92:50
though so expect some good expect some
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great things out of him you said Stuart
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Jones Stuart Jones so be sure to I’ll be
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sure to check him out someone else who I
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think is probably in South Carolina is
93:02
is Jeff I would imagine Jeff’s also in
93:04
South Carolina often fine we have to put
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South Carolina or Florida
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yes more than likely yes likely he’s
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somewhere in the south probably Jeff is
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probably in the south by next episode I
93:19
will try to find where Jeff is so guys
93:21
thanks again for tuning into my fellow
93:22
Americans be sure to tune in tomorrow
93:24
night at I think
93:25
eight for the writer’s block where Matt
93:27
Wright will be interviewing Aaron
93:29
Nakamoto and then be sure to tune in I
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believe on Friday we’re having an
93:35
episode of mr. America the bearded truth
93:37
with our very own Jason lion then have a
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great weekend I apologize for the fact
93:42
that we did not have an episode of my of
93:44
the the muddy waters of freedom last
93:46
night I had internet issues
93:48
Matt was having technical issues it was
93:51
just technical issue on top of technical
93:52
issue we may i’ll talk to Matt we may do
93:55
a makeup episode on on the over the
93:58
weekend if not then be sure to tune in
94:00
next Monday for mr. America the bearded
94:02
truth with Jacob lion and then tune in
94:05
next Tuesday night for the muddy waters
94:08
of freedom where Matt right and I will
94:09
parse through the week’s news with the
94:12
the cheer and and and love of a sweet
94:15
summer boy and then tune in next
94:18
Wednesday for my fellow Americans I’m
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probably just gonna be doing and ask me
94:23
anything episode I I didn’t book a guest
94:26
and I think I’m just gonna keep it
94:28
simple I think I’m gonna do it ask me
94:29
anything episode and I’m probably gonna
94:31
do a little talk about the surprisingly
94:33
Marxist roots of the Republican Party so
94:36
be sure to tune in for that and because
94:39
I wanted like to make my Republican
94:40
viewers happy by telling them that they
94:42
were started with Marxist but like they
94:45
keep show a little love to my GOP peeps
94:48
but guys thanks again for tuning in so
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much have a great rest of your evening
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and god bless you
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