(((My Fellow Americans))) #46: Going Ballistic With Johnny Rocket

When Spike started his show, one of the people he most looked up to in the world of podcasting was Johnny Rocket, CEO of The Launch Pad Media and host of Blast Off With Johnny Rocket. Well Spike has now arrived, because that's exactly who he's having on this week. Spike and Johnny will talk about what got them into podcasting for liberty, and the best way to communicate the message of freedom to the teeming masses, and why everyone needs to go out and buy the 2020 Libertarian Dad Bod Calendar so they, too, can have Spike and Johnny's sweet, sweet bodies hanging from their...wherever they hang their calendars.


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When Spike started his show, one of the people he most looked up to in the world of podcasting was Johnny Rocket, CEO of The Launch Pad Media and host of Blast Off With Johnny Rocket. Well Spike has now arrived, because that’s exactly who he’s having on this week.

Spike and Johnny will talk about what got them into podcasting for liberty, and the best way to communicate the message of freedom to the teeming masses, and why everyone needs to go out and buy the 2020 Libertarian Dad Bod Calendar so they, too, can have Spike and Johnny’s sweet, sweet bodies hanging from their…wherever they hang their calendars.

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my inspirations when I was starting my
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show he is the CEO of the launch pad
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media and the host of blast off with
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Johnny rocket over the years he has
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interviewed some of the biggest names in
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the liberty mute movement my fellow
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Americans
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speaking truth to power from your cell
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phone tower please welcome to the show
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mr. Johnny rocket Johnny thanks so much
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for joining hey thank Mike thank you so
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much and I’m here with my sponsor a
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coffee shout out to a narco coffee I
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don’t have nearly the cool sound effects
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that you have when you introduce a guest
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so instead I will play this short action
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sequence from Star Wars
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okay Oh awesome yes you I spend a lot of
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time clipping that out of five seconds
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and guys be sure to comment with your
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questions and thoughts and Johnny and I
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will tell you if you are right or wrong
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now Johnny this is your first time on
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the show yes anytime I have a guest on
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for the first time the first question I
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asked him is what brought you to
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libertarianism would you say that it was
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kind of an aha moment or a gradual
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evolution tell us about that
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I would say well I was a it started
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because I was in the government
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I hate mean like I think that’s the best
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way to become a libertarian is it
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actually worked for the goddamn
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government right right I started working
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I was in the government I was a soldier
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in the army
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I saw the fraud waste and abuse it was a
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gradual thing it didn’t happen overnight
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it was a slow progression and I think
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the the transition for me becoming a
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libertarian to an anarcho-capitalist was
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the aha moment like that was like holy
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right right right
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ire time but like the just becoming a
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libertarian no no it was a gradual thing
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I was a min arcus man I hate to say this
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because everyone wants to know like
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Johnny you know I was am in Arcis for
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like five six years I was am in Arcis
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for five or six years I just didn’t read
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enough books and finally I started
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reading some stuff and it changed my
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mind it was earth-shattering to me like
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especially Murray Rothbard
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when I read Murray Rothbard I’m like I’m
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okay I’m a fucking anarchist I fucking
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love this guy and it was it was it was
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like almost a spiritual moment like I
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called up all my friends who are
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anarchists I’m like dude you’re right
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I suck you’re right I’m sorry yeah the
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state doesn’t exist doesn’t need to
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exist you’re right writes all right it
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was just like it was a spiritual moment
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and to this like to this day dude I am
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just like spiritually loved the fact
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that I’m an anarchist I just applauded
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I’m like goddamn I see through the
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bullshit and you know there may be some
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issues here and there that people are
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gonna
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you’re not really a libertarian because
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of this and that and that but whatever I
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am an anarchist I don’t believe the
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government should exist and I believe
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that we should have our own
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self-governance and that’s what I
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believe so how we get there that could
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be discussed and debated but regardless
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of that yes it was a it was a beautiful
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thing and I’m very dogmatic about it
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spike I mean you got to stick to your
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principles you got to be libertarian and
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you just got to say fuck the state you
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know that’s work or say yeah as a yeah
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yeah no absolutely I I’m in the same
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place as you
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I get told that I’m not a real anarchist
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usually because I say that anarchy isn’t
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going to happen this very moment or not
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they’re like you’re not a real
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anarchists I’m like and yet this moment
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has passed and we are still not in
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anarchy
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so I maybe I’m not a real anarchist but
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it seems to me it seems to me like I
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have a very powerful data point going
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for me in the fact that it is still not
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in Turkey even as we’re continuing to
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talk well like the thing is is again a
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lot of people like I’m a radical I’m
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part of the radical caucus and though
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and when I say radical really the
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radicals in the party in the libertarian
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party I don’t know if you’re in the
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party or not but the radicals in the
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party are really the pragmatists in
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reality like the pragmatists are really
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the bootlickers of the party or they
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wanna this is me halfway and shit like
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that
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fuck that noise I’m like fuck the state
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I want us like let’s educate people
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let’s get people excited about Liberty
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let’s get people like warning the
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fucking get rid of shit in that like
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let’s not create legislation let’s get
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rid of legislation instead of creating
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legislation to fix legislation that
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could therefore be changed by further
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legislation it’s just like a big
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circular argument and it’s fucked up
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fuck that noise just get rid of it get
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rid of legislation so that’s like that
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is why I am so passionate about what I
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do because we just need to get rid of
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the state and I don’t know man I get
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frustrated with libertarians because
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they they think that if we have a
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message that’s bold and
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long that we sound crazy I don’t think
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we sound crazy I think there’s a lot of
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people out there spike who are like
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tired and they are they’re just fucking
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pissed off they’re angry and they don’t
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know what to do like I pay too much
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taxes I have to get vaccines I have to
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fucking register my guns I have to do
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this I have to do that if they register
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my car
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fuck that like we shouldn’t be doing
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that dude like why look at right look at
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how low voter turnout is anyone who so
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when people are like well you know
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people aren’t going to give it up and
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I’m like okay again not this very second
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they’re not gonna give it up I’m with
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you there and then an anarchist behind
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me yells you’re not a real anarchists
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but the the fact that like something
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like half of eligible adults just stay
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home because they’re like all these
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choices suck no one’s telling me
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anything that they haven’t been telling
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me that much you know as far back as I
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can remember and things keep getting the
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way they’re getting I’m just not gonna
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be involved with this those are people
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who at the very least are open to
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hearing about the idea that we don’t
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need any of this and and and for someone
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who says we should have you know that we
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should present a party of essentially
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like washed-up former Republicans who
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are fed up with what the Republican
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Party is doing so we’re gonna switch red
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for yellow or gold or whatever and we’re
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gonna we’re gonna present a little bit
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you know we’re gonna add free weed to
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our platform and now we’re libertarians
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like it clearly it’s worked right
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because we’ve gotten what I think we’ve
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maxed out at two-and-a-half percent of
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the vote or 2.8 percent so it’s working
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no that’s the thing like I don’t think
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it has worked because of that we unite
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with a bold message like everyone’s like
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what we gonna meet people halfway we
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don’t want to scare people off Ron Paul
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I’m a big Ron Paul guy but Ron Paul the
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only motherfucker who went out there and
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actually said what libertarianism is he
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was the only motherfucker who had the
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courage who actually said no I’m gonna
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have a bold message I don’t give a shit
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it sounds unpopular a lot of people
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thought it would be unpopular but it
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actually
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was the popular thing like what he was
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saying is I think people need to hear
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the truth and I when we start like
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muddle muddying down the message and
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start like it when it becomes
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milquetoast that’s when we start losing
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people when we have a platform and we
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have a principals we have a statement of
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principles and we adhere to those things
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dude that’s very powerful yeah it’s
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really powerful and a lot of people want
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something they want a direction they
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want something they can follow like
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that’s the thing I think that that that
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is the problem with politics there is no
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principles people like oh I kind of
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believe in this and I I kind of see the
13:12
right and I kind of see the left’s
13:14
position on these things why don’t we
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take a principled stance and stand by
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and keep driving forward with it I think
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people need direction and I think this
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is what’s the problem with politics is
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there is no direction in the Libertarian
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Party and not even the party but the
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message itself the principles of
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libertarianism is very fine and it’s
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very concise and it’s very effective
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dude we should be full steam ahead 100%
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all the time that’s cool like to me I’m
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excited
13:47
every time I do a show about
13:49
libertarianism dude I get excited to do
13:52
a show I get excited to talk to a guest
13:54
about economics right you know like how
13:57
they feel like things laws that are
13:59
bullshit I get excited because I am
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hopefully helping somebody understand an
14:06
issue where they have maybe reservations
14:08
regarding that issue and it helps them
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get over that hump you know what I mean
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like for you isn’t like let me ask you a
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question
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you’re an anarchic right it was the
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thing that like like kind of like
14:21
stopped you from going full-blown
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anarchist at one point like as soon as
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that so I was under the misapprehension
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that the Constitution protected our
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rights and freedoms so even when I look
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back at like old posts and like old
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conversations I had with people and
14:37
stuff like that and I realize I was
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essentially an anarchist since late 2013
14:41
but I kept going back to
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you know we got out we’re gonna you know
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go back to our constitutional roots and
14:47
and my anarchist friends would say have
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you read the Constitution and I’m like
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yeah and they say no the first seven
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sections have you read sections one and
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two and I’m like I’ve read the Bill of
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Rights and they’re like I’m gonna read
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the first two sections of the
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Constitution and then read some and and
15:04
so I listen to the dangerous history
15:06
podcast and a few things write that and
15:08
um no treason like Lysander Spooner and
15:12
and then I got black pilled into you
15:15
know sterner and and rothbard and von
15:18
Mises and all that but but even before
15:20
that once I actually read sections 1 and
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2 of the Constitution I’m like this
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thing authorizes the government the
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state to rob kidnap and murder us
15:32
essentially as it sees fit what little
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weasel what little bit of a supposedly
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mination that is in there has so much
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lawyers written weasel wording in there
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that everything the anti-federalists
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said was right this thing says we can
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steal from you as much as we want this
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thing says that we can you know this
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whole the habeas corpus Clause says that
15:56
you know that what Lincoln did he
15:59
couldn’t suspend that it says that it
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gives all these reasons that if they if
16:03
the government decides that the
16:06
government needs to needs that that the
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conditions what does it may require it
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quote-unquote then they’ll do whatever
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they want to us
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so once I read that I was like no no no
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no this is this is I it was like a 1:8
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that was my aha moment it was like a 180
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change
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I went from I went from
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constitutionalism to like know all of
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this is B and then and then reading
16:30
Spooner and explaining like none of us
16:32
sign this even like 99% of the people at
16:35
the time you guys contract and then we
16:37
can get it social contract exactly
16:38
exactly yeah so like good point it’s so
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like but yeah dude like I was the same
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thing like you know the only thing that
16:44
we have right now that’s cool is the
16:47
Bill of Rights and I just interviewed
16:49
Monica Perez and hurt the show that
16:52
we’re gonna do it’s gonna come out in a
16:54
few weeks but it was she was great I
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mean she
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she loves the Bill of Rights because
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that’s the only thing that we had only
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redeemable part yeah it’s the only
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redeemable part I mean yeah like and we
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were talking about the offline we were
17:08
talking about the Articles of
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Confederation and really if you read the
17:11
articles all that was was hey man were
17:14
cool and you’re state we’re cool my
17:17
state we’re cool and if you want to
17:19
travel cool and we’re not gonna tax you
17:23
if you come through our state all right
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cool
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yeah that was all much it was in it and
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everyone’s like well it wasn’t effective
17:30
and we couldn’t raise taxes and blah
17:32
blah blah blah and it failed no it
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didn’t fail there was the reason that
17:35
people got upset with the Articles of
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Confederation is they had no power they
17:39
had no authority they couldn’t raise
17:42
taxes they couldn’t tell people what to
17:44
do and ahead of unanimous vote for
17:47
anyone to get anything done and anything
17:49
and in any kind of legislation it had to
17:52
be almost unanimous I believe it was you
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know yeah was it was it was unanimous
17:56
the other you know every single person
17:58
had to agree with it which is yeah let’s
18:00
talk about consent of the governed if
18:03
you want to say that we have the consent
18:06
of the government which even that
18:08
Articles of Confederation didn’t truly
18:10
have the consent of the governed but at
18:11
least was an actual attempt at limited
18:14
government and the concept that unless
18:16
everyone that was elected as a
18:18
representative was on board with this we
18:20
are not doing it and and in that
18:21
condition the the US government was able
18:24
to fight the Barbary pirates and defeat
18:26
them the Barbary pirates who by the way
18:27
had lost two had defeated other other
18:30
countries or not defeated other
18:32
countries but had successfully fought
18:34
back any attempt to stop them again
18:36
we’re able to do that they were able to
18:37
expand the economy of the of the of the
18:43
of the colonies the reason that the Bill
18:45
of Rights was added the Bill of Rights
18:47
and and once you once you read it this
18:49
way you may not like it anymore but it
18:50
is the only redeemable part it is also a
18:53
lip service to the concept of natural
18:56
rights that was added by the Federalists
18:58
to keep the anti-federalists from
19:00
kicking down the door and killing all of
19:02
them for treason because it was illegal
19:03
the way that they were placed the
19:05
Articles of Confederation with the
19:06
Constitution was actually technically
19:08
illegal which just shows how much the
19:10
rule of law is gar
19:11
because as soon as the Articles of
19:12
Confederation was gone it wasn’t illegal
19:14
anymore um yes because it just we we did
19:18
this and it took forever to get ratified
19:20
yeah it took years to get right a follow
19:22
up people just thought hey we just love
19:24
the shit we love but no no no no no no a
19:27
lot of people were afraid and that is
19:30
the one of the one of the guess meeting
19:33
in the middle was if you do this
19:35
constitution thing we need a bill of
19:37
rights to protect our and protect what
19:40
was funny about it is like a lot of
19:43
people like don’t understand the unsung
19:45
heroes of the Bill of Rights you know
19:47
you got like George Mason it was like
19:49
what the fighters you know but the thing
19:52
is regarding the Constitution the
19:54
Articles of Confederation is like the
19:56
Federalists were really just monarchs
20:00
and the anti-federalists were really
20:03
Federalist yeah if you look historically
20:06
yes Sok that’s correct and same thing
20:08
how I view libertarians you know like
20:11
the radicals are really the pragmatists
20:14
you know and the so-called pragmatists
20:17
are really status let’s just be honest
20:22
yeah no absolutely yeah I do believe
20:25
that and I think it was it was good it
20:28
was a good thing that they did stand up
20:29
to something like we’re not gonna agree
20:31
to this until we have a Bill of Rights
20:32
and this is why they did it it was kind
20:35
of like hey we ain’t gonna sign off on
20:36
this until you say and a lot of people
20:40
don’t know the spike but regarding like
20:43
the First Amendment’s Second Amendment
20:45
all the amendments the first hand of the
20:48
Bill of Rights a lot of people assumed
20:50
that that was really it was dealt to the
20:55
individual a lot of people thought that
20:57
you know I have the right to bear arms
20:59
it’s the Second Amendment I have no
21:00
right to bear actually nothing to do
21:03
with the individual it actually meant
21:05
that the federal government couldn’t
21:06
fuck with the states and implement gun
21:08
laws on right yep yep nothing to do with
21:12
the individual so the state of
21:14
Massachusetts or I call it
21:16
affectionately massive two shits could
21:19
actually implement gun control laws yeah
21:22
if that state wanted to
21:25
but the federal government couldn’t and
21:27
so again the federal but then there was
21:29
another law that went on through the
21:31
Supreme Court and it changed everything
21:33
where it actually applied to all the
21:35
states so a lot of people don’t know
21:37
American history that the the the Bill
21:41
of Rights actually didn’t apply to the
21:42
individual and applied to what the
21:44
federal government could do the state
21:46
still had power hence the tenth of them
21:49
you know yeah and just to show that they
21:51
had zero commitment to the Bill of
21:53
Rights even from the beginning the
21:54
whiskey rebellion they were all right
21:56
we’re gonna tax whiskey and people said
21:57
no we’re not so that no you’re not and
21:59
so the first thing I did was seize
22:00
everyone’s guns in the whiskey
22:02
during the whiskey rebellion so so early
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on early early on Patrick Henry and the
22:10
rest of the anti-federalists were
22:11
completely vindicated of any of their
22:13
their initial concerns about what would
22:16
happen with the Constitution now I do
22:17
think eventually the Articles of
22:19
Confederation would have just the
22:21
mission creep of government led to
22:23
something so I mean it is what it is and
22:27
you know it’s it’s it’s it’s terrible
22:29
but at the same time so to answer your
22:32
question my when I once I knew what the
22:34
Constitution actually was it allowed me
22:37
to kind of and like you said it’s very
22:38
kind of freeing thing I was able to
22:40
really divorce myself from that whole
22:42
concept and it allowed me to completely
22:44
look at things that I would have never
22:47
looked at like you know anarchists stuff
22:49
like sterner like rothbard like von
22:51
Mises like and it had Miri reread things
22:55
from like Hayek and stuff in a
22:56
completely different light so even
22:59
though it some of them weren’t even
23:00
anarchists but it allowed me to read
23:02
things from them but it was very much an
23:07
end oh yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah like it
23:09
was great though because I mean it was
23:11
the the aha moment spike I mean it was
23:14
like I was reading this book on holy
23:16
shit man this makes sense like I never
23:18
looked at things in this light before
23:20
and how the government is violence how
23:23
the government is you know coercion
23:25
constantly no matter what you do no
23:29
matter what you do you could be doing
23:31
nothing wrong you’re an asshole you you
23:34
know you can be punished under law and
23:35
it’s just a way for the state and the
23:38
State and in the way that the
23:40
Constitution was written I don’t know if
23:42
it was intentional this is up to debate
23:45
with a lot of people um but the way it
23:47
was written it was it seemed I mean even
23:51
for its time it seemed pretty
23:52
loosey-goosey in regards to like
23:56
interpretation you know like you know to
23:58
aesthetic to maintain a well-trained
24:01
militia you know the second amendment
24:03
was it could have been just every
24:04
individual or every state should have
24:06
the right to bear arms it should have
24:08
been period and it in yeah yeah you know
24:11
I mean it just seemed you know like the
24:13
the general welfare clause and it was
24:16
loosey-goosey speak he was legalese and
24:19
I could it was it was it was it was it
24:21
was lawyer weasel wording it was it was
24:23
written by lawyers it was literally
24:25
written by lawyers right and I think it
24:28
should have been more precise and more
24:31
you know concise and that would have
24:35
been cool at least you know even if we
24:37
lived under a constitutional government
24:39
even if we had an actual constitutional
24:42
government which we do not but if we had
24:44
that it would still be a hundred percent
24:46
better than what we have now yeah 100
24:49
and that was just and that would be
24:52
considered a monarchist document by
24:54
today’s standards by today’s standards
24:56
yeah the true menarche ism in my mind
24:58
were the Articles of Confederation bar
25:00
none like that was an actual in my mind
25:03
an actual Ernest these are people that
25:06
just got off the battlefield shooting at
25:08
cops and then they write this thing this
25:11
was like a legit attempt by the people
25:14
who had fired the actual like muskets
25:16
and rifles that said yeah I could see
25:19
they were like alright let’s actually
25:20
try to have a limited government that is
25:23
so hard to to have mission creep that it
25:26
never happens and then you know a few
25:28
years later the the the financed ears
25:31
and and and some of the people behind
25:32
the revolution were like yeah no let’s
25:34
completely replaced this with something
25:35
that’ll just creep out of control so ya
25:38
know I I’m very much in the in the camp
25:40
of people that say it was an intentional
25:42
poison pill to lead to every bit of what
25:46
we have today I think that that and not
25:49
not all of them but that especially like
25:51
Hamilton and a lot of
25:52
people that were that were pushing it
25:53
the hardest absolutely wanted it to turn
25:55
into they wanted they they envied and
25:58
and and coveted the power and the
26:01
centralization that their colleagues in
26:03
Europe had and and it is what it did
26:07
yeah he was um he wanted to set up the
26:09
centralized banking system no I mean he
26:12
wanted centralized control that was his
26:14
gig that was what he was fighting for
26:16
the entire time right and everyone
26:19
raised his Hamilton because he had a
26:20
fuckin goddamn Broadway musical in his
26:24
name and everyone’s like he’s fuckin
26:25
great fuck that guy he was a piece of
26:27
shit I like guys like Patrick Henry
26:30
George Mason I even have a lot of love
26:34
for Thomas Jefferson I mean somebody’s
26:36
like well he was a slave owner and blah
26:38
blah blah blah you know what that was
26:40
part of that culture and I think people
26:42
need to kind of take a step back it was
26:46
wrong it’s morally reprehensible to own
26:48
slaves or have slaves of any sort
26:50
however at that time it was kind of like
26:53
owning a car at that time in that period
26:57
in time and he was one of the only
26:59
motherfuckers out there who actually
27:01
recognized that it was evil he was one
27:06
of the only despite being one he
27:07
actually recognized yeah yeah yeah like
27:10
you know like right now it’s like well
27:12
we own a dog you know or whatever but
27:14
like I’m just saying like he at least
27:16
spoke up about it and saying it is wrong
27:19
yes he waves as far as I from what I’ve
27:23
read he was very good to his slaves that
27:27
doesn’t excuse the fact he was a slave
27:29
up as slave owners went right right
27:31
right right but as as a slave owner he
27:36
was the only one of that time period or
27:39
one of the only there was a few others
27:41
but he was one of the other one of the
27:43
only people out there at that time
27:44
period who actually had the balls to
27:46
stand up and say you know what what I’m
27:48
doing is wrong and these people are
27:50
being held against their will
27:52
yeah and it’s nobody should be able to
27:54
own anyone else and this is wrong right
27:57
so he dodged it right so it was never
28:00
not more we actually talked about this
28:02
last night on the muddy waters of
28:03
freedom it was never not morally Rep
28:05
Hensel to own people Jefferson so at
28:09
that time and for like another good
28:11
hundred plus years afterwards what we
28:13
now call white supremacy was considered
28:16
settled science it was considered you
28:19
know eugenics and all of these these you
28:21
know completely debunked so-called
28:23
sciences at the time they were told
28:25
white people were in every way and at
28:28
that time that the the the who was
28:30
considered white was much more it was
28:32
eight you know people from England uh
28:34
Western Europe and parts of Scandinavia
28:37
Germans were not white Irish people were
28:39
not white Italians were not white Jews
28:41
were absolutely not white what’s that
28:45
the French the French were white so this
28:48
very small group of basically Norman
28:51
people were superior to everyone else
28:53
including other white people and so when
28:55
they look at someone like a black person
28:57
they looked at them as as somewhere
28:59
between a human and a pack animal and so
29:03
for someone in that time to recognize
29:06
that that there was still something
29:07
inherently wrong with it was actually a
29:09
progressive belief at the time so I mean
29:12
it was like mind-blowing the people like
29:15
we can’t have people like that speaking
29:17
like that like the the normal culture
29:20
the NB C of you know the 1780s was you
29:24
know UK these are fucking animals these
29:28
are right yeah these are not human
29:30
beings they’re working you know they’re
29:32
they’re their father yeah that’s how
29:34
they viewed it we’re like Jefferson at
29:37
least had the balls to say you know what
29:39
this is bullshit these people have
29:41
feelings they have families they have
29:42
emotions they care about things they’re
29:45
creative they have so much to offer the
29:47
world and he was one of the guys who
29:49
actually spoke up and it was unpopular
29:53
at the time and like our ideas aren’t
29:55
popular now but like 200 years from now
29:58
spike we could be like yeah we have
30:01
spike cone and Johnny rocket and we had
30:03
we’d found this lost tape you know and
30:06
here we are talking about the shit but
30:07
like our ideas are not popular now but
30:10
maybe in a hundred years or 200 years
30:12
from now our ideas will be like these
30:14
these are the guys who are like I can
30:16
lead them to charge
30:17
today right yeah I think they’ll be
30:19
popular what’s that that’d be fucking
30:22
cool man if we yeah yeah no I think and
30:25
I think it will and I think honestly it
30:26
will happen sooner than that I think
30:27
it’ll happen as soon as the the main
30:31
people pushing for it don’t keep trying
30:33
to be Republican adjacent or Democrat
30:36
adjacent and say this is a uniquely
30:38
libertarian thing we are not Republicans
30:40
who like weed and we are not Democrats
30:42
who like guns we are are we’re not any
30:45
part either wing of the authoritarian
30:49
hemisphere of the of the thing spike I
30:54
got to commend you on this I think
30:56
you’re absolutely right and I think a
30:57
lot of people just keep getting this
30:59
wrong work yeah you know they say well
31:01
you you guys are just you know I have to
31:03
hear that Gary Johnson bullshit again
31:05
I’m gonna fucking shoot myself and I
31:06
have a gun right here but like what I
31:08
was saying those do it no one do it
31:10
conservative and socially liberal
31:12
actually you could be a libertarian and
31:15
be socially conservative yeah you can it
31:18
just means that you just don’t want the
31:20
state involved I want to impose it on
31:22
anyone libertarianism is it has nothing
31:25
to do with your your preference right it
31:28
just means that you have the freedom to
31:30
choose but I also have the freedom to
31:32
associate right so I don’t like what
31:35
you’re doing as a an outlet like I used
31:39
the the joke here but I was in a
31:40
rockabilly band for 10 years and we so
31:43
wear shirts I said fuck hippies it was a
31:45
joke you know like hippies are actually
31:47
kind of they’re very nice people but it
31:50
was a joke and they kind of laughed at
31:51
it too because what are they gonna do
31:53
beat me up now they’re not so it was
31:55
funny because hippies are just they
31:57
don’t do shit so like we said fuck
31:59
hippies they laughed at it too but what
32:02
I’m saying is if you don’t want to be
32:03
part of that culture or if you don’t
32:05
want to partake in that kind of thing
32:07
libertarianism doesn’t necessarily mean
32:09
libertine ISM and there can be libertine
32:12
ism right and be a libertarian and you
32:16
could be a libertarian and not believe
32:17
in liberty nism yeah absolutely
32:19
very very conservative person who just
32:22
wants the state left alone but yet you
32:24
don’t want the state to inflict harm on
32:27
those people who are happy with their
32:29
choice and
32:30
right right and you can choose to
32:32
associate or dissociate as you please
32:35
which is what we do anyway this is so
32:37
people say yeah but without the
32:38
government you know people are gonna
32:40
people are gonna not want to to be
32:42
around certain people and I’m like how
32:43
is that different than now how many and
32:46
I’ll say it it’s often people on the
32:48
left that’ll say this and I’m like how
32:49
many like Trump supporting Republicans
32:52
who you know chant build the wall do you
32:55
want to associate with on a daily basis
32:56
if you if you absolutely don’t have to
32:58
like no one wants to associate with
33:01
people that that you know whose values
33:04
and beliefs and way of life is polar
33:06
opposite from them especially when they
33:09
are you know vehemently so like I there
33:12
are many people that I wish them well
33:14
they can believe whatever they want I
33:16
just want them to leave me alone and I’d
33:17
be happy to leave them alone so I know
33:19
I’m Wiggly there so dude it’s it’s
33:22
beautiful though because it is what if
33:24
we’re individuals we have different
33:26
choices we have different preferences
33:28
yeah I mean this is the economy grow I
33:31
mean like some people like video games
33:33
some people don’t some people like rap
33:35
music some people don’t some people like
33:37
metals people don’t this is where we all
33:40
are like we all have different
33:42
preferences we have different ideas we
33:44
have different tastes and like I hate
33:47
fucking seafood like me and Kim talk
33:50
about this shit all the time she’s like
33:51
well I’m gonna go out tonight and I’m
33:53
gonna get some fucking shrimp and some
33:55
salmon and I’m like fuck that I hate
33:57
both of those I don’t like shrimp or
33:59
salmon but like that’s her choice and so
34:02
so like it doesn’t mean I don’t like
34:04
that’s not like a deal-breaker for me
34:06
what I’m saying is we all have different
34:09
preferences right no Ron and but I don’t
34:12
want to force my preferences on somebody
34:15
else and this is really the whole point
34:17
of libertarianism that’s the entire line
34:19
yeah and I really do like that
34:20
expression live-and-let-live because it
34:22
is but at the same time it’s kind of
34:25
misleading and especially when like gary
34:27
johnson used it because he was just
34:29
trying to say like you know just let
34:31
people do the thing and whatever but if
34:33
they can’t bake the cake Dada you know
34:37
that have to force them to bake the
34:39
goddamn cake fuck that
34:40
like and I’m for property rights which
34:42
is you know I and it sounds
34:45
but it really is really beautiful like
34:48
if you’re an asshole enough let’s just
34:51
say I’m a club owner and I don’t let
34:53
Asian people in in my club I have the
34:57
right to do that but I can also like
34:59
lose a lot of money by not by
35:02
discriminating against people if you
35:04
don’t if you don’t want so if I were
35:08
Asian and you didn’t want me in your
35:11
business I want to know that you don’t
35:13
want me in your business so that I can
35:15
never go in your business never you can
35:18
accidentally give you a penny and let
35:20
everyone else know that you don’t want a
35:23
jhin’s in your business and if you don’t
35:24
want Asians there’s probably other
35:25
there’s there’s likely not not but
35:27
there’s likely other people you don’t
35:29
want either and I want people to know
35:31
that if you look at you know the so
35:32
called cancel culture right now where
35:34
anyone who’s even perceived as being
35:36
bigoted is you know destroyed on social
35:39
media anyone who thinks that we need a
35:41
government to enforce a preferences
35:44
there’s not paying attention to the
35:47
internet because if I said my name’s
35:49
spike Cohen and I don’t want black
35:51
people to watch my show first of all
35:53
then my wife couldn’t watch my show but
35:54
if I if I said that and she would never
35:57
watch my show but anyway if I were to
35:59
say you know I don’t want black people
36:00
watched my show she don’t watch it
36:04
anyway so that’s why but if I’ve said
36:05
that that would be like a lot of people
36:10
would not want to associate with me
36:11
anymore and then the people who wouldn’t
36:13
who would want to associate with me I
36:15
wouldn’t want to associate with it
36:16
so I mean it you got to let people do
36:18
their own thing III by the way I hate
36:20
the term economically conservative and
36:24
socially liberal first of all we are
36:25
economically we are economically
36:27
conservative and socially awkward first
36:29
of all so that’s I mean let’s be honest
36:31
about what we really are let’s be honest
36:33
with libertarians right right you know
36:35
like you know okay that’s a great thing
36:39
that you brought up because I noticed
36:41
this historically across like you go to
36:44
a libertarian event and you know like we
36:47
went to like a convention or something
36:48
and it was funny because you see like
36:51
people walking into the you know hotel
36:53
or wherever function were at but
36:55
other people doing other things they
36:56
have like real lives and shit you know
36:58
they’re going right you have like a job
37:00
or something yeah and they’re walking in
37:02
and I’m like that’s not a libertarian
37:05
these people getting out of their cars
37:07
you’re like hey guys party one of us and
37:10
then like sure shit there is yeah always
37:14
awkward they’re always like hey hi you
37:17
know like it’s just like dude you guys
37:19
you got to talk to people a little bit
37:20
more you don’t mean like arguing that
37:22
Facebook is one thing but actually
37:24
communicating with people that’s the
37:26
real challenge yeah it’s actually
37:28
speaking real people talk you know
37:31
actually talking to people and I’m not
37:32
bashing libertarians but you guys know
37:34
this yeah so sorry guys but happy you
37:40
guys can’t get what late in a woman’s
37:41
prison with a bag of dope and keys to
37:43
the gate I’m sorry but you can’t and you
37:46
guys got to get out there and start
37:47
fucking talking to people and start
37:50
speaking their language and combining
37:52
the two languages but if there is a
37:54
social awkwardness with libertarians man
37:56
and I’m not trying to bash on
37:58
libertarians because there’s no no no
37:59
not at all yeah no not all people it’s
38:03
like it’s kind of like knowing the guy
38:05
who knows D&D; really well you know like
38:09
you know you know even know about
38:12
Dungeons and Dragons they know
38:14
everything about that goddamn game they
38:17
know every fucking role but if there’s a
38:19
little bit of a social awkwardness I
38:21
don’t know where it comes for a man
38:23
maybe they’re just smart I don’t know I
38:26
think that because of garbage messaging
38:30
I think that libertarianism is almost
38:33
exclusively drawing people who are so
38:35
cerebral that were just into the
38:38
philosophy I am right
38:39
I’m cerebral but I also was socialized
38:43
as a kid so like I’m able to like
38:46
interact with others but I’m very much a
38:48
nerd and and it does attract – those
38:51
people for and it’s yeah it is it’s
38:53
great it’s a it’s a unique thing and
38:54
unfortunately there are people within
38:56
the group who would rather it remain
38:58
this almost like knitting club of also
39:02
weird people and get upset when the you
39:04
know normies are invited which is why
39:06
there was so much backlash to Larry
39:08
Sharpe
39:09
mark said he’s pretty much an anarchist
39:11
he recognizes that there’s gonna be
39:12
steps on the way he does actually
39:14
consider himself a pragmatist even
39:16
though his ideas of what he eventually
39:18
wants would be more considered a de chol
39:20
but his biggest thing is like you have
39:22
to talk to people and so that’s what
39:24
you’ve done with your with with your
39:25
show like you’ve got you so you were the
39:27
host of the Johnny u rocket launch pad
39:29
for five years and then for about the
39:31
last what about year or so just over a
39:33
year
39:34
you’ve been hosting blast off with
39:35
Johnny rocket with your co-hosts raylene
39:37
light heart oh and like I said before
39:40
you were one of my inspiration so I’m
39:42
I’m thank you I’m kind of jealous that
39:46
you have that that really cool gritty
39:47
voice whereas I sound like the token
39:51
cigarettes coffee beer liquor whiskey
39:54
email it’s a coke it’s a it’s a
39:57
cultivated sound whereas I sound like
39:59
the token Jew anchor on your local news
40:01
affiliate um but you’re a good local
40:04
Jude man and we need my uncle G I
40:06
appreciate that I appreciate that mentor
40:08
no but like here’s the thing dude and
40:11
you’re absolutely right I really like
40:12
what you’re what you’re saying like
40:14
you’re nailing it on the head and it is
40:16
a cultural war that we’re in right now
40:19
yeah the cultural war and we’re ignored
40:22
we’re ignored and everyone you know and
40:24
I think like me as a libertarian I maybe
40:28
can speak more righties I always say
40:31
righties but I seem to like affiliate or
40:36
maybe converse better with conservative
40:39
on the right right right all right I do
40:42
and it’s not because I am a conservative
40:44
but I I feel their pain I know where
40:46
they’re coming from I don’t know what it
40:48
is but we’re ignored there’s a culture
40:51
war going on and we’re in the middle and
40:53
we’re going and we’re not even in the
40:55
middle we’re just ignored we’re
40:56
completely on the outside yeah we’re not
40:58
in the middle we’re radio host over here
41:08
fucking yappin about fuckin racism who
41:10
gives a shit about this guy let’s hear
41:12
what Trump has to say like nobody gives
41:14
a fuck what I have to say or these
41:16
fucking guys even Tom woods the fucking
41:19
like king of fucking liberty fucking
41:21
podcast
41:22
Dave’s or any of these cats nobody gives
41:26
a fuck except for us because we’re like
41:28
an episode 422 you said that they
41:31
non-aggression principle doesn’t you’re
41:33
like fuck you did like this is how
41:35
everyone gets involved in the fuckin you
41:37
know like the details of it we need to
41:39
start influencing culture Ouisa but
41:42
people involved getting them excited
41:44
about Liberty instead of just sitting
41:46
there fucking jerking each other off I
41:48
mean this is exactly what we’re doing
41:49
each other off well I’m just smarter
41:52
than you are and I know more about
41:53
Liberty than you fuck you like we need
41:56
to get rid of the state and we need to
41:57
get everyone on our side dude like this
41:59
is a fucking calling this is a calling
42:02
we need to do this now we can’t be
42:04
sitting around going well why don’t we
42:06
use some pragmatic laws and meet them
42:09
halfway and create AB it’s not the rare
42:12
times the rare times that there is a
42:15
eight a quieting enough that they might
42:18
actually hear what we have to say the
42:20
two things that though here are either
42:21
like some washed-up Republican say like
42:24
I’m not sure where Aleppo is or they’ll
42:27
hear some schmuck Oh taxation as theft
42:30
and they’re like okay and and what does
42:32
that have to do with what we’re talking
42:34
like we don’t actually influence the
42:36
conversation or the culture and and it’s
42:39
it’s great that we have these shows and
42:40
I do think that that that I actually
42:43
market my show to people who aren’t even
42:45
into libertarianism so like I I like put
42:48
it in pages and groups and in social
42:50
circles that aren’t even into politics
42:52
and I’ll be like you know just check it
42:54
out and just see you know especially the
42:56
muddy waters where we talk about like
42:57
current events and stuff where I’m like
42:58
just check out what we have to say
43:00
because I can have 5,000 people who
43:04
already completely agree with us or 99%
43:07
agree with us in the libertarian party
43:09
and we can all get together and comment
43:11
at each other about how which one’s not
43:13
a real libertarian and and that’s gonna
43:16
accomplish nothing
43:18
because right now Donald Trump can walk
43:20
into any metro area in any part of the
43:23
country and attract like 50,000 people
43:26
and you know I mean so what what are we
43:30
doing in that in that situation well you
43:33
bring up a good point because a lot of
43:34
people say well you
43:36
you guys argue and you eat your own
43:37
because you guys say you’re not a real
43:39
libertarian I think we need to be honest
43:42
with each other
43:43
and I think this is a really really
43:45
important thing and I think this might
43:47
be the most important thing of the show
43:49
in my opinion spike is that it’s all
43:53
about the state if you’re a part of the
43:55
Libertarian Party it’s about the
43:58
statement of principles the goal of a
44:00
libertarian party is to get rid of the
44:02
admitted state yeah this cult of ‘man
44:05
yes it’s not there to meet people
44:08
halfway it’s not there to kowtow to the
44:11
left or kowtow to the right it’s not
44:14
there to create legislation we’re there
44:16
to get rid of legislation period this is
44:19
the point of the party this is the point
44:21
of the movement we have been trying to
44:24
trick people for the last 40 years now
44:27
actually I wouldn’t say 40 years because
44:29
during the 80s there was a pretty big
44:32
fucking cool revival yeah yeah last 20
44:36
years 21 years the Libertarian Party is
44:40
trying to brainwash people saying well
44:43
we’re not really Republicans and we’re
44:45
really not Democrats that is bullshit
44:48
that is not that is a false sale that is
44:51
fraud we are not about that we are about
44:54
a getting rid of the government and
44:56
doing and leaving people alone to live
44:59
the lies that they choose to live that
45:01
is what we believe and without without
45:05
aggressing against other people right
45:07
this is we believe the non-aggression
45:10
principle property rights and leave me
45:12
the fuck alone and get ridding getting
45:14
rid of the state now to me that is what
45:17
libertarianism is it isn’t some
45:20
political party that’s meant to you know
45:23
change laws and create laws in the name
45:27
of freedom it’s about getting rid of
45:29
things and I think we need to drive that
45:32
home spike I think it’s very important
45:34
because I think people have been lied to
45:36
for the last 20 years and when when
45:38
people hear that I ask people read the
45:41
statement of principles of a libertarian
45:43
party and people will go well that’s up
45:45
to interpretation no it’s not it’s not
45:48
it’s really clear it
45:49
really query like that maybe about the
45:53
non-aggression principle like what is
45:55
aggression like if I’m spitting on the
45:57
sidewalk and it offends you then you
45:59
know you have a little debate about that
46:01
whatever right but the stated statement
46:02
of principles is fairly varied it like
46:04
in very cut and dry terms yeah yeah it’s
46:07
fucking Clinton dry it’s not even like
46:09
we’re meeting you halfway or anything no
46:11
it’s not up to interpretation it’s a
46:13
statement of principles this is what
46:15
they believe this is what the
46:16
libertarian party believes and it’s
46:18
fucking cool like I am so fucking glad
46:22
that the libertarian party had enough
46:23
sense the founder David Nolan had enough
46:26
sense to make it like a seven eighths
46:28
vote to change it which is like
46:30
impossible which is awesome like yes
46:32
like you guys yeah and you’re never
46:35
changing this yeah yeah no fucking cool
46:37
dude I get excited like fuck you like
46:40
he’s so cool to see that like that guy
46:43
had it fucking figured out he thought it
46:45
through and people thought it through
46:47
but that’s the thing man I think we’re
46:49
not at one point I was like am in Arcis
46:53
soft-sell libertarian like I was saying
46:56
like remember we were saying it was a
46:57
gradual thing I was that guy at one
47:00
point and I thought radicals and men are
47:04
anarchists were crazy these guys are
47:06
fucking nuts plus some of them were kind
47:08
of nuts but that being said like I feel
47:12
like I was lied to
47:13
yes yes the messaging is a bit of a lie
47:18
so they’ll say so you’ll have the the
47:21
pragmatist who will go to the
47:22
Republicans and say hey you like the
47:23
Republican Party you’re gonna love the
47:25
Libertarian Party and then they go over
47:26
to the Democrats they go hey you like
47:28
the Democratic Party you’re gonna love
47:30
the Libertarian Party Democrats and
47:31
Republicans hate each other they’ve been
47:33
conditioned to hate each other and
47:34
believe that that the entire political
47:37
spectrum is Democrats and Republicans
47:39
and that are polar opposites and that
47:41
they have to hate each other because
47:43
they’re that you know it’s the battle
47:44
both sides believe that they’re on the
47:46
good side of the battle between good and
47:48
evil so when we go in and go well you
47:49
know we’re kind of somewhere between the
47:50
two of you we sound like garbage we
47:52
sound like my terrible idea because if
47:55
I’m a a Republican and I hear well we’re
47:57
sort of like a Republican but with some
47:59
Democrat ideas added I go I don’t like
48:02
Democrats
48:03
I think Democrats want to destroy
48:05
America or if I’m a Democrat Emily well
48:07
the Republicans want to you know turn us
48:09
into a you know white nationalist you
48:11
know goo fortress or what I like
48:13
whatever they believe if I go in saying
48:17
yeah we’re kind of the best of both of
48:18
you guys they’re like no that’s Carl I
48:20
don’t want that at all if we go in and
48:22
say all of this is nonsense you’ve been
48:24
lied to for the last two hundred and
48:26
some-odd years they’ve keep marching
48:28
left and you know that the left boot
48:30
comes down on you and you goes that’s it
48:32
I’m sick of this I’m voting for the
48:33
right boot and then the right boot comes
48:35
down and you go oh that’s it I’ll never
48:37
take this again I’m voting for the left
48:38
boot and they’re just marching on top of
48:40
you as they progress forward in this
48:42
ever expansion of the size scope power
48:45
lethality and cost of the government we
48:48
want none of that and we want something
48:50
wildly different that to me is so much
48:52
of a better to it to it to a society in
48:55
a country with like half of the people
48:56
aren’t even showing up to vote on a
48:58
Tuesday because it’s just like this is
49:01
all shit like all of this is garbage I
49:03
want nothing to do with it that to me is
49:05
so much better than you know throwing
49:07
our panties at just in a mash because he
49:09
has some name recognition and like
49:10
Justin please come front for president
49:13
you’re not even really a libertarian but
49:15
you don’t like Trump okay really quick
49:18
in his defense I’m not saying I really
49:22
even like the guy I really I do like
49:24
Justin Amash I think he is a good he’s
49:26
actually one of the best politicians
49:28
we’ve had in a long time I mean because
49:31
he actually has a conscience you know he
49:33
actually understands some fundamentals
49:35
of LeBrons
49:36
right um but I don’t think he’s I
49:39
wouldn’t vote for yes yes for a theory
49:44
like if there was no Libertarian Party
49:46
and I was like and I just wouldn’t do it
49:50
now the only but here’s the thing like
49:53
who got the most excite who got the most
49:56
excitement who got the most like people
49:59
like want a revolution Ron Paul Ron why
50:03
why but why Ron Paul yeah why because
50:07
look at Bernie
50:08
why is Bernie so successful yeah because
50:10
it’s the same thing like it’s the wrong
50:13
side he is everything that we are not
50:15
right but
50:17
but at least he has a fucking print like
50:20
he has a message and he’s not wavering
50:23
from it like where we’re trying this
50:25
fucking you know try to please everybody
50:27
trying to say yeah bullshit that’s
50:29
fucking crazy
50:30
we’re ron paul actually says some really
50:32
great beautiful stuff yeah like it was
50:35
the truth and i think that there’s
50:38
something wrong and both sides are
50:40
playing it like ron paul said this
50:42
shit’s wrong this shit’s wrong and you
50:44
should be pissed Bernie Sanders saying
50:47
the same shit saying the exact same
50:48
thing exactly
50:49
he’s right when Bernie starts talking
50:51
about the problems that are going on
50:52
he’s right his solutions are to make it
50:54
worse but the bless he’s but when he
50:56
said Donald Trump he would explain the
51:00
things that are happening and and why
51:01
they’re wrong but then he would also go
51:03
to the wrong conclusion of making it
51:05
worse
51:05
that’s Ron Paul people get there’s
51:09
something wrong that’s happening so when
51:10
you that’s right so triangulation that
51:13
the so-called Clinton strategy
51:14
triangulation is a strategy not just in
51:16
politics but in any situation of power
51:19
dynamics triangulation is a strategy of
51:22
entrenchment of existing power which
51:24
means if you’re already in a position of
51:25
power you triangulate yourself in order
51:28
to maintain that power for the
51:31
Libertarian Party which has maxed out at
51:33
just under three percent of the vote to
51:35
triangulate is like a mouse saying I’ve
51:38
got to conserve my power that I have
51:40
like it’s it’s it’s nonsense oh it is
51:43
dude and it’s somehow sense yeah I think
51:47
I don’t even think there’s a balance
51:49
like when people say like well we you
51:51
know you guys are the purists and you
51:54
know we’re never gonna get elected fine
51:56
but at least we’re not selling something
51:58
that’s fake right like I’d rather go out
52:01
there and actually spread the message of
52:03
Liberty get four hundred people who are
52:06
real libertarians when the thousand
52:09
people who think they are yes so no I
52:14
agree those four hundred people are
52:17
gonna fucking remain a libertine because
52:19
you can’t unlearn what you learned what
52:21
did you get it and and if you if you if
52:24
you get elected on promises that have
52:27
little to do with libertarianism now you
52:29
just have to govern like
52:31
everyone else that came you’re now
52:32
you’re like a Sentra you’re like a
52:34
you’re like a center-right Republican or
52:36
something because that’s what you now if
52:39
you go radical you’ve lied to everyone
52:41
and they will never vote for you again
52:42
so like it doesn’t make sense
52:48
Shane Sweeney says Johnny uh what would
52:51
you choose to abolish first the welfare
52:53
state or the warfare state and why oh
52:57
man I I guess I would have to go at the
53:00
warfare state first of all because if we
53:03
got rid of the warfare state then we
53:04
wouldn’t have refugees that were
53:06
responsible for taken care of because
53:08
yeah we bomb the fuck out of their
53:10
country yeah so be the first thing I
53:13
would do is get rid of the warfare state
53:15
and that’s why that would be that
53:16
priority one and that would be something
53:18
that could be handled and on a federal
53:22
level and so I think that’s requestion
53:24
shame yeah yeah actually it could
53:29
actually be handled pretty much almost
53:30
exclusively on the executive level
53:32
because even if if Congress is declaring
53:34
you have to do this stuff as you can you
53:37
can prosecute it in such a way that it’s
53:40
you know very frustrating to you know
53:42
the Hawks desire for for endless war so
53:44
no I I agree with that the other thing
53:45
to me is right now the welfare state is
53:49
built on the graves of all of the lost
53:53
opportunities that come from the
53:54
barriers to entry that have been created
53:56
by the state occupational licensing all
53:59
the fact that all taxes are regressive
54:00
because it don’t matter how rich you tax
54:02
someone they just push it down to the
54:04
consumer which is the poor and the in
54:05
the working classes so tis – if your
54:08
prime if the first thing you do when you
54:09
come into offices go alright no more
54:11
free rent for you like that I get why
54:15
that needs to happen but you first need
54:17
to eliminate the barriers to entry that
54:20
are keeping them poor in the first place
54:21
then you can get rid of that stuff right
54:24
and in the same thing with zoning laws
54:25
and ain’t no and believe that yeah
54:27
zoning laws all that stuff Building Code
54:29
like unnecessary building codes all that
54:31
stuff yeah we can get into a whole bunch
54:33
of things like we have economic policies
54:36
that have kept people poor on purpose
54:38
just the oh yeah poor yeah cuz then
54:41
actually relying on the state to take
54:43
care of them and
54:44
for they will do and then they will keep
54:47
voting for more state so they can get
54:49
more see that’s the thing it’s like it’s
54:52
the carrot with a rabbit thing you know
54:54
I mean like anymore but really you’re
54:57
not and when people want minimum wage
54:59
all it does is that’s that’s another
55:02
thing that just blows my mind I mean
55:04
this is libertarianism 101 yeah minimum
55:06
wage I mean I don’t know if you have you
55:08
probably got in this 100 times what I
55:10
mean everything else would go up
55:12
accordingly right so if I had to pay you
55:13
more
55:14
it might then everything that I my
55:16
service is provided would go up and
55:19
everyone else so it might work for maybe
55:21
a month or two where you would actually
55:24
feel the impact of that or you would
55:26
feel the benefit of it excuse me
55:28
but after a while it would even itself
55:30
out there would be in equilibrium in the
55:32
market where everyone’s prices would
55:35
have to go up but at the same time when
55:37
prices go up unemployment would go down
55:40
with with when you have increased
55:44
minimum wage so you historically when
55:48
you keep raising the minimum wage all
55:49
the people who are not getting hired are
55:52
low-skilled workers right that would
55:54
that would include people who are maybe
55:57
you know in bad areas that schooling
56:01
that you know and it really hurts the
56:04
minorities more than anything knows that
56:06
yeah yeah but I know it it
56:09
disproportionately hurts the very people
56:11
that it’s supposedly helping especially
56:13
in the era of automation so you’ve got
56:16
businesses that are looking for the very
56:18
moment that the cost of retrofitting to
56:23
fully automated or more automated is
56:25
caught more cost-effective than
56:27
continuing to just hire these people at
56:29
whatever the minimum wages that’s the
56:31
very second or just above the minimum
56:33
wage so that you get the good guy from
56:36
you know I have them at my Whole Foods
56:38
instead of at the you know Walmart down
56:40
the road or whatever but like that at
56:42
low wage labor the varies if you say $15
56:46
for most metro areas for most areas in
56:50
the u.s. that’s going to be almost an
56:52
immediate change to we’re almost
56:54
completely automating that store
56:57
immediately makes more financial sense
56:59
anyone who wants to see what really high
57:02
minimum wages looks like needs to go to
57:05
Japan and to send to Western Europe it
57:08
is hard to find anywhere where anyone is
57:12
working unless they’re already making
57:14
well above the minimum wage so your
57:17
airier to entry how your entry level has
57:19
to already be hot you have to already be
57:21
in the in the you know 1% or 5% of your
57:24
area or else you’re living on the social
57:26
safety net that is what brute minimum
57:29
wage brings us it’s an absolutely
57:30
terrible thing I wanted to ask you about
57:32
Launchpad media um yeah so you have
57:34
multiple shows on on Launchpad media as
57:37
well your own and many other was that it
57:39
was that something you intended to have
57:40
where you would have you know multiple
57:41
shows on or did that just kind of happen
57:43
naturally um you know what’s funny is I
57:47
my buddy the vice president of the
57:50
company Alexander Meyer
57:51
me and him were talking one day and he
57:53
was just like dude I have an idea mm-hm
57:56
and it’s it’s for like a podcast hub and
57:59
you know I don’t know what to call it
58:01
but I you know I think you know we were
58:04
talking about the ideas of changing
58:05
culture and libertarianism for music and
58:07
art and movies videos and a different
58:12
take and not you’re you know you’re a
58:14
typical you know I could d’emic our
58:16
academic you know podcast more like
58:19
right hey we’re having fun we’re gonna
58:20
talk about these things kind of like
58:22
what you’re doing here like we’re not
58:24
very academic you know we’re fuckin
58:26
idiots but whatever I’m speaking for
58:28
myself but like what I’m saying is we
58:30
figure we we wanted to change the
58:32
culture and we wanted a hub for this and
58:36
I said that’s a great idea and at the
58:38
time you know I had a I had an old
58:41
co-host Heather and Kurt to hook coalos
58:45
and we kind of parted ways after four or
58:48
five years and I felt like maybe it was
58:50
a new beginning for me you know like
58:53
maybe it’s time for me to cut sling load
58:55
with Johnny rocket launch pad and
58:57
actually create and use the name launch
58:59
pad for the media company always
59:02
launching ideas in your direction right
59:05
just all these different ideas and all
59:07
these different you know contributors to
59:09
go out there and actually start
59:11
spreading the ideas of liberty and it
59:12
was just kind of like this one banner
59:14
where we can all get behind and start
59:16
changing shit and hopefully influence
59:19
people and so that’s what inspired me to
59:21
start it and it was is pretty cool but I
59:25
gave up the name of my show because of
59:27
it so I kind of it was like it’s been it
59:30
was a year ago and I just remember it’s
59:33
like oh my god this is the last I had a
59:34
hundred and fifty episodes my last
59:37
episode was with Tom woods
59:38
yeah and I’m I uh I’m gonna start it all
59:40
over again I’m gonna start with episode
59:42
zero and I found raylene and we were
59:47
friends in Washington I’m like she’s
59:49
gonna be a great coast
59:50
I mean ralien and I share very similar
59:52
ideas and just about everything there’s
59:55
like one or two things that we were like
59:57
we argue about but other than that we
60:00
are like 100% like in step regarding
60:02
ideas and she’s very very influential
60:05
and very very positive and in helping me
60:09
with the show and so she was very
60:10
instrumental with helping design the new
60:13
show and so I said I I didn’t know what
60:15
they call it because I’m like the launch
60:17
pad is pretty goddamn cool Ryan we were
60:20
talking in it’s like how about blast off
60:22
and I’m like that’s kind of cool yeah
60:24
yeah yeah but Johnny Rock would be cool
60:26
instead of Johnny rocket launch pad
60:28
blast off and then we took the name for
60:30
the old show and made it the media
60:31
company the launch pad media it’s really
60:33
it’s really cool branding right so
60:35
you’ve got out for about five years you
60:37
were the launch pad well now you’re
60:38
blasting off from the launch pad and the
60:40
launch pad is also where all the show so
60:42
really I like the whole I was I had a
60:44
website design company for which was
60:46
essentially also a marketing company for
60:48
the better part of 20 years and um I
60:51
like ideas and branding that make
60:54
intuitive sense and that you don’t
60:56
really have to explain to people and I
60:58
just think it’s perfect like you got the
60:59
launch pad your shows blasted off and
61:02
now you’ve read all these other things
61:03
on the launch pad too so yeah yeah and I
61:06
love themes like I like having things
61:10
that like kind of relate you know like
61:13
so we we do a really cool thing well we
61:17
did it and we’re gonna continue to can
61:19
to do it in the future we haven’t done
61:20
it in a while but we had a show where
61:22
all the all the
61:24
board members of Launchpad media would
61:26
get together and we have a show called
61:28
Mission Control so it’s all nice yeah
61:32
yeah that’s cool so it’s cool like we
61:35
had Alexander Meier we have Rob Stratton
61:37
we have raylene we have all these people
61:39
and we sit down and discuss like what
61:41
Launchpad media is doing things in the
61:43
news and it was just us kind of like
61:46
talking about the direction of where
61:47
we’re going with the media company
61:48
that’s really good to me I just love
61:51
themes like playing off a theme
61:53
yeah it’s select so like you know
61:56
somebody was like you know you have the
61:58
Austrian libertarians you know like
62:00
people who love Mises Institute and you
62:02
know things like that what I was
62:03
thinking since we’re like in the space
62:05
and shit like that blasting off I was
62:08
thinking members of the launchpad media
62:11
could be Astro libertarians boom see
62:15
where I did there so I thought that was
62:17
kind of cool but like I love themes man
62:20
I love working with like creative you
62:22
know sticks like that so when I when I
62:26
heard Austrian and Rockets I immediately
62:28
thought Wernher von Braun and that was
62:30
not a good direction to take it’s a good
62:32
thing it’s decidedly good idea not to
62:35
have gone in that direction
62:37
no no maybe not that one but no theme
62:41
based no that’s funny man that’s great
62:44
yeah no that’s really cool so you have
62:46
had REM so Martinez on he’s been on my
62:49
show as well and he’s in fact you’re
62:52
actually going to be narrating the
62:54
audiobook version of his newest book in
62:57
that correct that’s I think that’s so
62:59
close to REM so and I done shit with it
63:02
yet and he’s gonna kick my ass but
63:04
whatever it’s have you read that book I
63:06
I have read the first one a good portion
63:10
of very first one stay away from Liberty
63:12
away from the libertarians yeah so I
63:15
have actually I’m like one of the very
63:17
few people in the world who actually has
63:20
his book and he’s like here it is start
63:22
when you’re ready and I’m like I haven’t
63:26
done it yet so I asshole I have I I read
63:30
a first draft that book is you’re gonna
63:32
love it so he was actually REM so was
63:34
briefly my sworn enemy but we’ve been
63:36
friends for like a solid
63:38
seven or eight weeks now it’s really
63:39
good but what would you say is like what
63:42
would you say is REMS OHS greatest
63:44
weakness that I can use against him if
63:45
things go south again you know I would
63:48
say that I you know I love her him so
63:50
he’s a very good person he I really
63:53
don’t want to talk bad about him because
63:55
he’s he’s been there for me and you know
63:58
pretty shitty times well I just just one
64:01
line say one thing about Renzo that
64:03
sucks is that he just can’t decide what
64:06
the fuck he is is he a Republican is the
64:09
libertarian we don’t know I don’t know I
64:13
just think I don’t know
64:15
that’s my only like that’s my only
64:17
dishonor ends oh man so that’s actually
64:19
you’ll like that that actually gets
64:21
covered somewhat in his book um because
64:24
the Toto character supposedly isn’t
64:26
about him like supposedly the the the
64:29
what’s his name something Brown isn’t
64:31
him but it’s him I mean it’s him
64:34
and that’s yeah he’s like and your voice
64:37
should be perfect for it’s like I walked
64:39
out of the bar pissed off my fucking
64:41
grandma was not the bitch in the fucking
64:43
Street you know like that’s what he
64:44
wants he wants like that that knew our
64:46
fuckin theme know it’s gonna be so I had
64:50
just read it um before having him on my
64:54
show so it was like fresh in my head
64:55
like I was literally we were in Toronto
64:56
at the time I was driving from like
64:59
downtown Toronto listening to the
65:00
audiobook I had read about halfway
65:02
through before that listening to the
65:04
audiobook I’m setting up so it’s like
65:07
fresh in my head and when he was like
65:09
yeah Johnny Rockets gonna be the the
65:11
narrator I’m like that’s fucking perfect
65:13
like that is perfect like that I
65:16
couldn’t have thought of anyone better
65:17
for it so it was it was perfect to me I
65:19
have no I don’t have any good segue for
65:22
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66:03
you are married to my last guest the
66:07
amazing wonderful just I have nothing
66:12
nothing but good things to say about
66:14
she’s just an amazing person
66:15
Kym wrong no did you hear her story did
66:18
you hear how we met we met on the show
66:21
yeah but it’s the most romantic thing
66:24
I’ve ever done in my life
66:25
okay I tell you tell me I want to hear
66:27
your version well did she did she say
66:30
anything because I would hear you guys
66:32
first no okay so it started where I was
66:35
on the show with her and like before the
66:37
show started she’s like hey you know
66:39
this is my first interview big you know
66:41
running for president and crank you know
66:44
can’t talk to you because I’m a little
66:46
nervous and oh yeah so I’m like hey
66:49
how’s it going she’s like good yeah I
66:51
just want to like make sure like what do
66:53
you want to talk about I’m like I’m just
66:54
gonna ask you some basic shit like why
66:56
the fuck your run and blah blah blah
66:57
she’s like okay well I had her on the
67:00
show we had such a hoot man she’s great
67:02
so I get up I get off the show with her
67:05
and I called my producer and I said dude
67:09
I’m gonna marry her he fight fuck you
67:13
dude fuck you no way now I’m like oh
67:16
yeah I’m gonna marry her and then I
67:18
talked to raylene after that and the
67:20
railings like did you did you notice
67:22
anything about the show she’s like that
67:23
you had a crush on her I’m like fuck
67:25
yeah I’m like I’m gonna marry her she’s
67:28
like okay whatever John whatever I’m
67:30
like no no no I’m gonna do it so then
67:32
finally like a week later I talked to
67:34
her and I said well how’d you like the
67:36
show she was like host great I really
67:38
had a great time I had so much fun and
67:40
we were it was it was hysterical it was
67:43
funny and then we started talking and
67:45
then finally we just started talking
67:46
every night from that point on for three
67:49
or four months oh wow every for about
67:52
maybe 10 hour nights it’s like I would
67:55
call her at 5 in the afternoon and we
67:57
would talk until like midnight every
67:59
night and then I finally I ended up
68:02
coming out here at seen her and um
68:05
and we hit it off even more no pun
68:07
intended
68:08
and hey and then we just ended up
68:16
hanging out hanging out and finally I’m
68:18
like let’s get married she’s like bucket
68:21
let’s do it oh my gosh so I just I just
68:24
quit my job moved out here and moved in
68:28
and we got married in April I love it it
68:31
is the quintessential libertarian love
68:34
story now when she gets elected are you
68:37
going to be her press secretary and if
68:39
not can I be your press secretary yeah
68:41
you could do that bullshit nice all
68:42
right I’m gonna be like the first
68:44
gentleman and start doing some bullshit
68:46
like firearms or some bullshit like that
68:52
like I’ll do something like my goal is
68:54
the first gentleman is to make sure that
68:57
the drinking age and every state is five
68:59
you know I suppose like make it just
69:02
ridiculous and that’d be cool
69:05
but that I would I just be like uh I’ll
69:07
just be an asshole everyone would hate
69:09
me and that’d be cool
69:11
I’d be happy with that help your ratings
69:14
and would like listens to like what
69:15
horrible thing you’re gonna say next no
69:17
I know so okay good so I’m gonna be the
69:19
press a so then you’re good no I will be
69:21
so I get so I’ve claimed it that’s not
69:24
really how it works I guess she’d have
69:25
to decide but yeah all things being
69:27
equal if she’s cool with it I want to be
69:29
the press secretary local Jews press
69:31
secretary I come I show up hi
69:34
you look a little bit more like for the
69:36
part like I look like a press secretary
69:38
right like I mean it’s show I gonna I’m
69:42
gonna like show up with a cigar and a
69:44
cigarette the cocktail fucking I don’t
69:47
know what the fuck he’s dying yeah I
69:49
don’t you know it’s funny is like we
69:52
talk all the time but we really don’t
69:54
like she we don’t really talk about the
69:57
details of her campaign I really am NOT
70:00
like pervy to all this information as a
70:01
lot of people think like what is she
70:03
doing I really don’t fuck enough and
70:05
like do I care like I do care but like
70:09
she’s doing good shit I know she’s doing
70:12
good cuz we discussed these ideas
70:14
constantly and she’s very smart and very
70:17
intelligent
70:19
she’s very principled and I give her
70:21
credit I mean like I I trust her
70:23
implicitly 100% I trust right right uh
70:26
in her decision-making I she is she is
70:29
really good and I don’t need to know it
70:31
and it’s just more bullshit for me to
70:33
get involved with I really don’t want to
70:35
deal with it because I got enough
70:36
fucking problems and I don’t want him to
70:39
be one I like I like the idea of like
70:43
when if she like you know got up it’s at
70:48
the point where she’s like to be got to
70:49
be debating Trump and I don’t know
70:51
Marianne Williamson whoever gets the
70:53
nomination on the other and you’re just
70:55
like I don’t have anything to do this I
70:56
got so many things to do they’re like
70:57
trying to interview you and like I get
70:58
so much stuff to do today leave me alone
70:59
I like I just that to me and that will
71:02
help her because everyone will feel that
71:04
everyone will feel that feeling of like
71:06
I got a lot of shit to do today to leave
71:08
me a look like it’ll be like this like
71:10
very honest motherfucker there is it
71:13
would be like what do you think of her
71:14
you know what do you think of her
71:15
campaign I really don’t know what the
71:17
fuck she’s done I’m gonna be honest I
71:18
don’t really I know she don’t get shit
71:20
okay so much to do today
71:22
I got so much shit to do I’m smoking a
71:25
cigarette like fuck you you know and I
71:28
can’t smoke in the White House you know
71:30
you’re not smoking the white dope see
71:33
that would have to change like whoever
71:34
the chief of staff is would have to
71:35
change that you’d have to be a little
71:36
smoking I don’t want to fuck up shit man
71:40
I mean like mess up the this like mess
71:44
up the drapes and stuff no no but like
71:48
I’m all about like technology and some
71:50
and cigarette smoke the only thing it’s
71:53
actually good quarters a cigarette smoke
71:55
with technology would be microphones
71:57
believe it or not real I don’t even know
72:00
if you know this know so like if you
72:03
ever hear the old microphones like back
72:06
in the day in the 40s and 50s and 30s
72:07
even everyone smoked man ever like
72:10
fucking smoking right right the tar that
72:13
gets actually in the capsule of the of
72:16
the microphone yeah actually it’s a
72:18
different tone it actually creates a
72:21
warmer set so especially with ribbon
72:25
microphones especially with the old
72:27
ribbon mics right right right but it
72:30
actually creates a layer of tar which
72:32
actually
72:32
creates a very more muted warm sound
72:36
they were the original the original pop
72:39
filters were just a bunch of like oh
72:41
dude a backhoe hash around the holy dude
72:46
exactly like but computers and anything
72:49
like technology or any of that shit man
72:51
you just ask I mean you’re just
72:53
decreasing their their lifespan by by a
72:56
lot I mean it
72:58
of course yeah yeah yeah I just don’t
73:01
yeah I just I don’t smoke in this room I
73:04
never have I write I kind of like muscle
73:07
through it and like alright I’m gonna
73:08
get this interview done that I have a
73:09
cigarette so it’s cool like that and
73:11
does the end of it you’re like shaking
73:13
like you did nicotine fix
73:15
no no yeah it’s like that’s the hardest
73:19
part of being a like a podcaster is
73:22
actually you know going an hour and a
73:24
half talking about shit oh I was a I was
73:27
a drug addict for the better part of a
73:30
decade I’ve been clean for thirteen
73:32
years now the idea that yeah the idea
73:34
then I know no one believes that when
73:37
they first they’re like you’ve done your
73:38
legs once in your life no I was Jews
73:42
don’t do drugs man no I was I was the
73:44
ultimate drug Jew I was met because that
73:47
one that I shouldn’t say that I’ll tell
73:48
you later when we’re off the air
73:49
call the show the drug Jew the drugs the
73:54
drug cheer with Spike Cohen I’ll tell
73:56
you later on in the show but I was I was
73:58
what you would expect a Jew to become if
74:00
he was doing drugs every day um but um
74:02
definitely not gonna say it on the air
74:04
but um money I I’m not gonna we can talk
74:09
about it later
74:09
but um so anyway so uh all that to say
74:13
that if someone at the time had been
74:15
like yeah you have to like talk
74:16
intelligently for two hours in a room
74:19
without doing drugs I’ve been like I’m
74:20
not doing that I’m not doing like I yeah
74:24
I’ve got I got as you drugs while I’m
74:25
doing this or that’s not gonna happen so
74:28
you know it’s funny we get in that I was
74:30
uh I was in a band for ten years and it
74:32
took me like we have those things that
74:35
we I don’t know we could we create I
74:37
think we create our own little safety
74:39
net in a sense um but yeah there was a
74:43
there was a time where I had
74:45
to be drunk to perform oh I was afraid
74:49
like everyone’s like you get nervous
74:51
when you get up on you know stage and do
74:54
a show in front of 50,000 B hundred
74:57
three hundred people right all right I’m
75:00
like yeah I have absolutely every show
75:02
it doesn’t matter if there’s ten people
75:03
in the room or there’s three hundred
75:04
yeah
75:05
four hundred I get nervous and the only
75:09
way I could deal with it was to drink
75:11
what’s the drink right yeah and if that
75:13
was my crutch for a while and in and we
75:17
all have those things that we hide
75:19
behind I think I mean I think it’s human
75:21
nature oh yeah you ever noticed that
75:23
like a lot of musicians the reason that
75:27
they play instruments is because they
75:30
hide behind oh wow if you think about it
75:33
and maybe cuz they’re like behind a
75:35
thing they’re not like out there just
75:37
holding a microphone oh wow exposed
75:41
expose so if you think about it like a
75:44
lot of musicians like that because they
75:46
feel like they’re hiding behind
75:48
something a lot of musicians like the
75:50
worst sunglasses why because they hide
75:53
behind those sunglass little tricks man
75:57
but that’s just the way the people I
76:00
think it’s a psychological thing I find
76:03
it fascinating because I want the people
76:05
I said you you play guitar like he’s not
76:08
even a good guitar player he’ll lead
76:09
singer and he plays guitar I’m like
76:10
you’re not even a good guitar it’s like
76:12
yeah but it makes me comfortable it’s
76:13
I’m it’s something in between me and
76:15
them I never really thought of that
76:17
before
76:17
I am so the drummer’s have it the best
76:20
cuz they’re almost like in a room behind
76:22
nobody fucking cares I mean like I mean
76:24
I love drum there’s like they’re fucking
76:26
awesome but never like hey man like the
76:32
drummer will just get done like doing
76:33
this kick-ass drum solo everyone’s like
76:35
fuck and then every won’t be like hey
76:38
man has the cone like yeah I’m the
76:40
drummer of the band he’s like oh I
76:41
didn’t recognize you nobody fucking
76:43
knows and like you were like in this
76:45
little like you know it’s almost like
76:46
when you’re in a kitchen and there’s a
76:48
counter here and there’s pots in pant
76:49
like no one can see you like you’re
76:51
coming back they’re like yeah no one
76:52
don’t you were not the focal point at
76:54
all because those fuckers got a no shit
76:56
and they gotta know the songs are just
76:58
as Talent
76:59
if not more than most of the band and
77:01
yet they get no love man no love and the
77:05
bass player bass player and drummers man
77:07
there was of a section dude I mean those
77:09
guys if there’s anyone who’s good at
77:11
fucking it’s the rhythm section not the
77:14
lead singer or the guitar player that
77:15
goddamn rhythm sections are good at
77:17
fucking you know there but no but your
77:19
course is it that’s they are yeah
77:23
fucking funny dude I don’t know going
77:26
off on that tangent
77:27
no that’s fine so I want to ask you you
77:29
were are you still the region one
77:31
alternate for the Libertarian Party yes
77:34
I am how long have you been a masochist
77:38
you know what’s funny man I got the they
77:43
had a meeting in Austin and I had
77:45
everything lined up my brother lives out
77:47
there I was gonna go out there and do
77:48
this thing and I had strep throat like
77:51
it was like like three or four days
77:53
before so everyone here it was like
77:55
everyone’s sick in the home everyone’s
77:58
dying the kids got fucking strep throat
78:00
everyone’s on Marxist Ilyn right I just
78:03
couldn’t make it and then luckily the
78:06
region won all the main region one
78:08
Richard long strep great dude
78:10
great principled libertarian he was just
78:13
like all right man I got you I’m going
78:15
and I’m like here’s my vote on this if
78:17
they say this vote that way and he’s
78:18
like okay noted in any actually probably
78:21
took took my opinion into consideration
78:23
but now he’s great the region one their
78:28
actual region one director of the
78:29
Libertarian Party is awesome and I’m so
78:31
proud I work with them so proud so
78:34
region one’s huge like I looked at it on
78:37
a map before it’s like it’s like the the
78:40
ninth circuit for the Supreme Court like
78:42
it’s like most of the country yeah like
78:44
nope
78:45
like that’s the thing looks like we
78:47
quite like my region because it’s just
78:49
like a lot of shit what a lamb but not a
78:51
lot of people right you know right I
78:54
believe I can’t remember it’s 12 states
78:56
I believe 11 or 12 states its massive we
79:00
have lost yeah yeah it’s gigantic
79:02
I so I it seems like the reason I said
79:05
the little masochist show it seems like
79:07
the people that are you know most of the
79:10
people not all they’re a few that
79:12
don’t seem like they’re doing much of
79:12
anything but most of the people that are
79:15
in the actual like party apparatus at
79:17
the at the state and at the LNC level it
79:18
seems like just such a thankless job
79:20
like you know you’re doing all this
79:22
stuff and you’re doing these meetings
79:24
and you know like the average
79:26
libertarian either doesn’t know doesn’t
79:28
care or a lot of them will just like
79:30
nitpick everything that you’ve done and
79:32
I’m like I’m I’m like I once paid for
79:36
membership fees for the party I don’t
79:38
even know if it’s expired or not like
79:41
that’s how involved I am on a daily
79:43
basis with with the party but I see it
79:45
on like in facebook groups and talking
79:46
to people and stuff like that it’s like
79:48
man like it just seems so thankless but
79:52
are you just you just do it because you
79:53
support what they’re doing what what the
79:55
statement of principle is and the
79:57
potential for what it could be well I
79:58
think so that I mean that’s I didn’t
80:01
even really maybe that’s a good thing
80:04
because I really didn’t want it and
80:06
somebody’s like actually the the region
80:09
one is like hey our region one Oh
80:11
alternate decided to leave and I think
80:14
you’d fit and I was like cool and so I
80:18
was like oh I guess I’ll do it I mean
80:21
like step up to the plate be the change
80:24
right I mean I’m not gonna change it by
80:26
sitting on my ass bitching about it and
80:27
so I figured hey the best thing I could
80:30
do is maybe get out there glenda voice
80:33
start telling my opinions about stuff
80:35
right right maybe even tuck into the
80:38
region one actual and in discussing
80:41
ideas and he’s like he’s great I mean
80:43
he’d like meet him or walk step on
80:46
principles and libertarianism he’s
80:48
really good and again I think it’s you
80:52
know and I support him like I’m like I’m
80:54
with you man you know if you believe
80:56
this this is your you know obviously his
80:58
vote matters all right mama but if he’s
81:02
not there and he’s sick and he has strep
81:04
throat like next time I’m making the
81:06
calls but I it is a thankless job it’s a
81:10
lot of emails mostly from what I’ve
81:12
gathered right and it’s so many emails
81:15
I’m a horrible guy cuz I don’t read them
81:18
all like I seem like right now dude I’m
81:20
not kidding you I got like five emails
81:23
already like since we’ve had the
81:25
conversation a while yeah but some of
81:30
its like so-and-so said this you know
81:33
it’s like everyone’s everyone’s doing
81:35
reply all so someone will say like okay
81:38
and then you get that and you’ve got
81:39
yeah yeah yeah it’s not feasible you
81:43
can’t look it up every second and if
81:46
there’s a vote I’ll say this is my
81:48
opinion this is why I would vote and
81:49
then the region one rep would vote for
81:52
it so like I’ll give him my input he’ll
81:54
listen to it because he’s a good man and
81:56
he’ll probably vote for me or usually he
82:00
we agree so he’ll probably vote in the
82:02
direction that we come to the conclusion
82:04
this job and again it’s like we’re the
82:08
only party I think
82:10
speaking of like the chair for some
82:13
reason the Libertarian Party has this
82:14
fascination with the chair like every
82:17
other who’s the chair of the Republican
82:19
Party I I know who it is it’s uh what’s
82:23
her name Romney’s daughter but I’m also
82:25
a nerd so like most most Republicans
82:28
have no idea yeah yeah no no no one
82:31
knows like besides like you cuz you’re a
82:33
nerd but that’s right comin her but like
82:35
libertarians did like we are fascinated
82:37
with the chair position like oh use the
82:40
leader of the libertarian no he’s not
82:41
like we are all individuals there
82:44
shouldn’t be a leader and if we have one
82:47
person representing us and all of our
82:49
opinions that is wrong you know the
82:51
chair is there to pretty much run the
82:54
meeting and right here that the go Smith
82:57
that’s it the chair shouldn’t really
82:59
even have an opinion he should be a
83:02
libertarian the beginner and if he isn’t
83:04
well then we’re like the Dodgers
83:07
there’s a problem if the quote-unquote
83:09
head of the party is not a libertarian
83:12
so I wanted to ask you your opinion and
83:14
if you don’t want to give it that’s fine
83:16
I know Kim didn’t want to talk about it
83:18
because you know she didn’t want to seem
83:19
like you know a conflict of interest
83:21
type thing or whatever but this hold $75
83:23
an hour thing with the for the person
83:26
guy so I read an article that I’m now
83:28
told was a hit piece I’ve tried
83:31
following the you know six hour well I
83:33
didn’t watch all of it but was like a
83:34
six hour long YouTube video I watched
83:36
like the 20 minutes in question what
83:39
your opinion on this on what exactly
83:41
happened there with NYX our work like
83:42
what do you think that about all that
83:45
it’s absolutely ridiculous I mean like
83:48
why no no no one in the right mind would
83:54
vote for that and it it reasonably got
83:57
shot down I mean that’s all I could see
83:59
for it but I mean that’s his job that’s
84:03
his duty you know to be the
84:05
representative of the party never be
84:07
paid to promote the party I mean it’s
84:09
great if he does I mean like if if the
84:11
party was as big as the DNC or any other
84:15
major political party there would be
84:17
that money for that you know I mean
84:19
easily yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah
84:22
just to show up hey I’m here we’re not
84:25
even in that position we’re such we’re
84:28
nothing we’re nothing I mean in in the
84:30
big in the big scheme of things we ain’t
84:32
shit but no it’s absolutely ridiculous
84:36
and no one no one gets paid like and
84:38
what am i my biggest complaints about
84:40
the L&C; is that they just require people
84:44
to go somewhere like we need you to
84:46
Florida fucking Alaska to have a meeting
84:48
like why why can we do it on skype I can
84:51
vote like why don’t we have battle is
84:54
that actually is that actually like in
84:56
some rules that you have to physically
84:58
be there or is that just the preference
84:59
that they have you know a man I wish I
85:02
could answer that question 100% but I’m
85:04
gonna because it is very they’re very
85:08
adamant about it like you showing up to
85:10
some fucking meeting and you know
85:13
usually like nine times out of ten they
85:15
will try to pick a place that’s somewhat
85:17
Pleasant you know what I mean like
85:18
they’re not gonna try to like stick in
85:20
fucking we’re gonna go easy Idaho you
85:23
know why would go there you know why
85:25
like oh here like yeah I’m going to
85:27
Sacramento for that why I could see like
85:30
a state function like uh something like
85:34
that or like something big like are you
85:37
gonna be are you gonna are you gonna be
85:38
in Florence in November for the for the
85:40
debate in South Florence South Carolina
85:42
I am definitely gonna do everything I
85:45
can to be there yeah
85:46
okay well then if you are we’ll meet
85:48
there I know Kim’s going to be there for
85:50
you drink alcohol I know I’ve been sober
85:52
for 13 years but I will watch you drink
85:54
watch more drink a drop of beer and then
85:57
you can have a water and get drunk off
85:59
of me all right I can just vibe drunk
86:02
vibe off of you that’s what I that’s how
86:03
I do it but um it’s so like something
86:06
like that makes sense but when they’re
86:07
like yeah we’re gonna have like what up
86:10
here what feels like the third meeting
86:12
this month and I’m gonna fly out and I’m
86:14
like this just seems like so much time
86:16
and money being what yeah and you’re
86:18
paying for it you have to pay for your
86:20
hotel you have to pay for the airfare so
86:22
like that’s a disqualifier a lot of
86:23
people don’t even want the job because
86:25
yeah exactly
86:26
that’s you know like who has the money
86:28
we’re libertarians I mean like we don’t
86:32
have the money we’re economists not very
86:37
smart we don’t have the state fucking
86:39
funding our shit right I mean like all
86:42
the other parties that I mean they’re
86:43
all fucking cronies you know then all we
86:45
show yeah we’re we’re paying for their
86:48
meetings yeah yeah exactly yeah exactly
86:51
like us we’re like what this clear
86:54
concern socially liberal I don’t know
86:58
that I’m saying it’s expensive you have
87:02
to actually be pretty well-off to
87:04
actually be a part of the L&C; to do it
87:06
yeah yeah it’s a great it got it
87:09
ob man you gotta have a jail B you’re
87:12
gonna have a let’s see you got a pretty
87:16
much have your own company and have your
87:18
have your workers take care of your
87:19
company while you galavant off to it
87:22
three times a month to these meetings
87:23
where you sit there and do a bunch of
87:26
stuff that you absolutely do by Skype or
87:30
hangouts or zoom or whatever like you
87:32
could easily do all of that do it I am
87:35
with you it’s time what do you think
87:37
that is that is the plan but to me that
87:39
makes sense like why do I need to travel
87:42
all the way to over here spend $400 and
87:45
then have a hotel room and of course
87:47
what do you do when you have a hotel
87:49
room you know you order pizza and then
87:51
you go down to the fucking lounge right
87:53
maybe that meaning I would but
87:55
oh you’re spent you’re spending hundreds
87:58
of dollars easily you’re probably
88:01
hitting a thousand bucks between airfare
88:03
and
88:03
and food eating out everything like cuz
88:05
you’re not going to the grocery store
88:06
and buying like a head of lettuce and
88:08
like some chicken to cook like you’re
88:10
eating out and you’re like my cutting
88:12
shit making fucking no it does that
88:16
you’re eating McDonald’s or you’re going
88:18
down with the fucking lounge you’re
88:20
going to the lounge
88:21
you’re tired from sitting in a meeting
88:22
for 12 hours you just go and get like
88:25
the most inefficient way to eat like
88:27
it’s just it’s absurd to be sweating
88:29
yeah yeah of jail be to be on the L
88:34
that’s right like that I like that how
88:36
often are you called a Nazi and or a
88:38
communist in a given day or is that just
88:40
something people say to me I get some
88:44
I’ve I’ve actually heard I’m alright
88:46
I’ve heard that I don’t know where that
88:49
came from probably because of my
88:51
two-minute hate speeches spike that does
88:54
people some of them do cuz I call out
88:57
shit I just and I it’s like a
89:00
no-holds-barred kind of thing like I
89:01
call it libertarians if I see something
89:03
that’s just fucking incredibly stupid
89:06
right we’ll call it and make a speech
89:08
about it like a two minute hate speech
89:10
and it’s usually like 5 to 6 minutes but
89:14
I read that I would listen to the one
89:17
about anyway
89:18
this seems like it’s longer than 2
89:19
minutes but I didn’t I wasn’t like on
89:21
the they always are but it sounds cooler
89:24
though like you’re like oh I just have
89:26
this you know it’s got 2 minutes of hate
89:28
for you yeah yeah I can do that but what
89:31
ends up becoming 6 or 7 minutes and
89:33
you’re like holy fuck
89:34
that was like 7 minutes long and and but
89:37
then they enjoy usually at that point
89:39
usually laughing because I say something
89:42
that’s controversial and you know but it
89:45
needs to be said I think certain things
89:47
need to be said and a lot of people you
89:50
know I usually go after spike I really
89:53
go after left-libertarians and I know
89:55
that sounds it’s actually awesome I love
89:59
it I love going after the left yeah and
90:01
even libertarians who are on the Left I
90:03
mean to me it’s like they are like
90:04
low-hanging fruit least a left knows you
90:07
know the left is brainwashed left
90:10
libertarians have at least been exposed
90:12
to our ideas and they reject me that’s
90:14
why I have no respect for them
90:16
they have been exposed to libertarian
90:19
ideas but they refused to rent is theft
90:22
the government needs to be there to make
90:23
social equality bullshit bullshit and I
90:27
go after them all time
90:28
they are my favorite target but other
90:31
than that I love my two minute hate
90:32
speech of the man I love them I love
90:34
doing them but they just require a lot
90:36
of work and you do in this podcast right
90:38
like you do this podcast
90:40
there was a probably maybe an hour or so
90:42
of prep for this podcast a lot of people
90:46
don’t understand the work that goes on
90:47
behind the scenes the OREA yeah the the
90:51
art that the show notes the links the
90:54
the actual publishing of the of the show
90:58
like an any giving show like we do an
91:01
hour show every week that show is
91:04
actually maybe an hour and a half
91:06
actually
91:06
more like two hours because we have an
91:09
hour regular show we have a prime and an
91:11
after-party and then we have an
91:12
all-nighter that what we do and I mean
91:16
for our show is usually consists of
91:18
about six to seven hours per hour yeah
91:22
because you guys have like guys for
91:25
those of you who haven’t listened to
91:27
blast off with Johnny rocket first of
91:28
all shame on you
91:29
and then second of all be sure to add
91:32
that to your list of stuff you listen to
91:34
after me um but the the level of after
91:38
me be sure to listen to me and then
91:41
Johnny rocket but when you uh don’t drop
91:43
me keep listening to me and then if you
91:47
have time you can oh did Johnny rocket
91:48
but um so I mean but but your show like
91:51
you know that’s why I joked with the
91:52
little Star Wars clip or whatever like
91:54
the the level when I when I was first
91:56
started listening I was like this is
91:59
really well put together and it was part
92:00
of what I thought when I was doing my
92:02
show I’m like all right I’m not going in
92:04
that angle but like I want it to sound
92:06
good especially for people like most of
92:08
the people that consume this show are
92:10
listening to it not watching it so I’m
92:12
big on the visual stuff but the reality
92:14
is most of the people that are into the
92:16
show might not even know what I look
92:17
like
92:18
and so I I try to make it sound good but
92:20
you have it on it I believe you when you
92:22
say it’s like a six to one ratio for
92:24
editing because oh it’s really on point
92:26
when it comes to like the sound effects
92:28
and the intro and outro and all
92:30
stuff like it’s an experience it’s an
92:32
optional experience well thank you I
92:34
really appreciate it spike but the thing
92:37
is it’s like it’s about timing it’s like
92:40
we don’t just edit just to edit like
92:43
write edit who are rhythm of let go and
92:46
like you know you listen to a lot of
92:48
podcasts like Tom woods doesn’t have
92:50
much editing I mean there is some but I
92:52
mean you listen to the show and it’s
92:53
pretty much the way it is it’s just
92:55
handle yeah that’s what it is yeah our
92:59
show is actually do it’s actually mapped
93:03
out to almost a beat yeah and I know
93:06
that sounds crazy but it’s actually to
93:09
this rhythm and I I know I can’t explain
93:13
it but there isn’t any pauses the show
93:16
is constantly moving all right yeah
93:18
exactly yeah
93:19
yeah we like to have like there is pause
93:22
but it’s pause for a fact it’s like if
93:26
you hear a pause it’s awkward it’s
93:29
intense yeah yeah yes very like whoa
93:32
what the hell happened so this did my
93:36
browser turn off yet like people are
93:38
checking their app like what yeah but we
93:42
use it intent it like everything is done
93:44
intentionally like your everything yeah
93:46
yes to the the processing the guests I
93:50
mean we spend hours just making the
93:52
guest sound good and sometimes like we
93:54
we talk to them I like a payphone yeah
93:56
it sounds like they’re you know yeah I’m
93:58
fucking Baltimore you know and they’re
94:00
talking to you I hate absent shit that
94:06
we pull through and process we try to
94:08
get rid of background noises right to
94:11
make them sound good
94:12
and it’s like the job of our show is to
94:15
make our guests sound good we really do
94:17
want to make sure that they’re
94:19
highlighted and that they feel good
94:20
about the show right hopes you know we
94:23
we could sell the ideas of what they’re
94:25
trying to sell like we really we are
94:28
there because I mean like we’re good
94:30
spokesmen for liberty but sometimes we
94:33
may not reach the same crowd that
94:35
somebody else might what I mean
94:37
right he explained something better than
94:39
what we can like I’m gonna um sometimes
94:41
the dig and that doesn’t work with every
94:44
so it’s cool to have a gas that comes in
94:46
as bed.i hi i’m very nice and I’m very
94:48
you know cordial and I’m I’m gonna
94:50
explain things in a very nice way and
94:53
and generally they’re very hardcore
94:55
libertarians but like you don’t want you
94:58
know I don’t want the message to be
94:59
diluted but there’s different messengers
95:01
with different styles oh yeah so it’s us
95:03
to make our messengers or our gas sound
95:07
really good
95:08
so hopefully that they can influence
95:10
people and they could start taking in
95:12
the ideas of libertarian right yeah so
95:15
it’s a similar thing with with our show
95:17
the muddy waters of freedom we almost
95:19
end up Matt and I almost end up good cop
95:21
bad cop
95:22
because even though we both think the
95:24
same way I’m like I have become the
95:26
radical of the show so like we’ll start
95:28
talking about and again I met Matt
95:29
agrees with me on I think I don’t think
95:31
there’s anything we disagree on but like
95:33
he’ll kind of talk about you know like
95:35
the the problems with what’s going on in
95:37
and applying libertarianism and then
95:39
I’ll be like yeah you know the second
95:41
amendment was for shooting cops and he’s
95:43
like like I mean it so we kind of feed
95:45
off of each other that way I become the
95:47
nuts one even though we’re both
95:48
essentially anarchists I’ve become like
95:51
the token
95:52
well the tokens you and the token
95:53
anarchists oh I’m like I’m feeling I’m
95:55
feeling many I’m the minority of the
95:57
show apparently which is sad cuz I’m
95:59
like I think that’s a natural
96:02
progression like yeah it is it is
96:04
raylene and i we agree like a 99.9
96:08
percent of every right screened her
96:11
before we even started the show we got
96:13
along so well we agree she was really
96:16
bubbly that’s the best way to describe
96:18
her but I’m not like well I’m kind of
96:22
bubbly but I’m not and in the same way
96:25
she is but we had a good we have a great
96:27
dynamic right here’s the thing we
96:30
disagree on like one thing where that’s
96:32
factually and it’s and I and I’m we both
96:36
agree that it should be up to the
96:37
individual whether or not they should
96:38
get a vaccine right right right
96:41
a constant thing that we’ve been talking
96:43
about for like goddamn whole year like
96:46
offline usually and it’s always like
96:48
vaccines vaccines back it she’ll be like
96:50
did you know that I’m like I’m no and
96:53
she’s anti vaccine I am Pro vaccine I’m
96:57
not
96:58
saying that like I think that people
97:01
should be forced to get one I’m just
97:04
right right I think it’s a good thing
97:06
was worth way they work yeah yes
97:10
historically they work and but then she
97:13
gets into these chemicals but it’s funny
97:15
but it’s like I’m not knocking her
97:16
because I mean she is very very adamant
97:19
about her belief system at night right
97:21
we knew what I knew and I’m like I
97:24
really don’t want to know what you know
97:25
you know and so that’s where we depart
97:27
but that’s what’s cool like that’s the
97:30
right and I think it’s part of our like
97:33
natural progression I mean if we all
97:36
agreed this world would be boring you’d
97:38
suck we need but if we can all get at
97:41
least get behind the fact that we should
97:43
have less state we’re on to something
97:46
why don’t we start working if we can
97:48
agree on I’m not going to vote to have
97:52
someone point a gun at you and make you
97:55
live how I want you to live if you also
97:58
not if but and you can also not do that
98:01
to me we can stop using but none of us
98:04
have the right to point a gun at someone
98:06
and say you have to live your life the
98:08
way I want which things were unable
98:09
which means we are unable you can’t
98:12
delegate a right you don’t have so if I
98:14
don’t have the right to do that to you
98:15
then I can’t delegate that power to
98:18
someone else that’s theft so if we can
98:21
all agree on that as a basic thing which
98:23
when they say that to someone it
98:25
intuitively makes sense
98:26
should I be able to point a gun at you
98:28
and make you do stuff no should I be
98:29
able to but get together a group of
98:32
people and we come to your house and say
98:33
we’re all pointing guns at you and you
98:35
have to do stuff no no course it and
98:37
that’s listening and I think if we just
98:39
all agree on that the rest I mean we all
98:41
have preferences so right exactly we all
98:43
have perfect yeah vaccines don’t get
98:45
them if you do I mean that’s a hot topic
98:48
right now like we don’t hear it yeah
98:49
it’s very hot topic doesn’t matter
98:51
because I don’t really even think it’s a
98:53
libertarian issue again I think it’s
98:55
more or less on the on the unless on the
98:57
side of choices the issue that’s the
99:00
political issue yeah the rust is just
99:02
opinion and you know what website who
99:06
went to first really it boils down to
99:08
what did you believe at one point and
99:10
did it’s the
99:12
at what point you know like again we all
99:15
have opinions and they change constantly
99:17
I mean I have changed my opinion on
99:20
quite a bit of things yeah um certain
99:22
things I just don’t have an opinion on
99:24
and I don’t think I ever will like
99:26
another big one is abortion spike what’s
99:30
your opinion on it so I don’t I’m not
99:31
the host but I’m just asking you
99:34
personally so my opinion is and I bet
99:36
this is actually something that has has
99:38
changed quite a bit I used to be I would
99:40
have considered myself pro-life I
99:42
consider myself pro-life when personhood
99:45
starts and I think that it is up to
99:47
families and individuals to decide for
99:49
themselves when personhood starts and I
99:51
realize that that’s going to lead to
99:52
outcomes that I don’t like but that’s
99:54
the reality of life and if I were to try
99:57
to impose my idea of win personhood
100:00
starts which I’m not even fully sure I’m
100:03
not even fully sure but if I were to sit
100:05
down with the science and go it starts
100:07
at this very moment and I were to
100:09
enforce that against anyone more harm is
100:11
going to be done by me harm forcing
100:14
people into that than by allowing
100:16
individuals and families to decide that
100:19
that you know when that starts I am not
100:22
in favor of Planned Parenthood being
100:24
funded by taxpayer dollars I am not in
100:26
favor of of any of that if people want
100:29
to do pro-life rallies out in front of
100:32
planned parent that’s fine with me if
100:33
they want the people to me that I
100:35
respect the most in the entire debate
100:37
are the people that stand out in front
100:38
of abortion clinics not to slut-shame
100:42
people and say you’re Lauren you’re
100:43
murdering your kid but people who go hey
100:45
you know what if you choose to do this
100:47
that’s your choice I’d like to present
100:49
you with the possibility that we can
100:52
help you we can set you up with
100:54
resources voluntary resources if you
100:56
choose maybe to place the child for
100:58
adoption we’ll help you through that
100:59
process
101:00
whatever you choose to do we’re here for
101:02
you that to me that’s beautiful that’s
101:05
actually very smart yeah I’m with I kind
101:08
of I fall in the same camp it’s just
101:12
like who are we to decide one life
101:16
begins I don’t know I don’t know I’m not
101:18
a doctor I’m not a scientist well I do
101:21
know is sometimes I would ear me
101:24
personally
101:25
I might ear on the side of being safe
101:28
saying yeah I don’t know when it begins
101:30
right right right I can’t make that
101:32
decision for them I do ultimately
101:34
believe it’s their decision it’s their
101:36
body I would you know I don’t I don’t
101:40
know if there’s a right or wrong answer
101:41
because I think both sides are correct
101:43
you know like it just depends on what
101:45
what what side you’re coming at it what
101:47
we’re talking a valid point yeah and I
101:51
think it’s almost up to the king it’s
101:53
almost a community standard thing
101:55
because maybe if you live in town a that
101:58
you know hates it and then you got a Tom
102:01
B who’s like parking do whatever you
102:03
want but the only problem I have with it
102:05
if you do make it completely illegal is
102:08
that you create a black market zakat and
102:11
that’s yeah you do more harm the good
102:13
people who don’t want to be pregnant are
102:16
going to not be pregnant is it going to
102:20
happen in theirs too to ensure that are
102:25
they going to is it gonna be because
102:26
they give birth and then just leave it
102:30
in a dumpster like I mean that these are
102:31
like these are serious consequences of
102:34
what we’re talking about
102:34
I believe life go ahead no I think it’s
102:38
a tough thing but again I I think both
102:40
sides are correct yeah I mean it depends
102:43
on what side you’re arguing for because
102:45
if you’re if you’re fighting for life
102:47
right you know they have a justifiable
102:50
argument that like they believe in their
102:53
heart in mind that life begins at
102:55
conception conception yeah yeah right
102:57
and there’s nothing wrong with that like
102:58
that’s a valid yeah like it it I mean
103:01
you can’t deny that maybe it does that’s
103:05
what they believe I’m a natural rights
103:07
libertarian I believe that we have no
103:09
all right right I mean I’m right but
103:12
that’s what I believe right
103:14
and the people who believe it’s the
103:16
woman’s choice that’s her body they’re
103:19
also correct so I again I don’t think
103:23
there will ever be an answer to this
103:24
problem and again we should just get the
103:27
state out of it it should have to do
103:29
with this yeah yeah let let people on a
103:32
family or an individual level and are
103:36
the individuals to make that decision
103:38
and what
103:39
a decision they make they have to live
103:41
with it yeah and that’s the thing
103:43
science tells us that life actually
103:46
begins at conception it is a it is a
103:48
life it has its own DNA that’s not in
103:50
dispute where the argument comes is when
103:53
is it an actual person that has its own
103:54
rights and dad’s feelings and has a
103:58
heartbeat and it has can feel pain
104:01
it has sentient sand all of that stuff
104:03
and and and and the is similar to the
104:06
age of consent debate no one actually
104:08
there is no consensus on this or is no
104:11
right answer on that but everyone wants
104:13
to argue really heavily about something
104:16
that no one agrees on no one can come to
104:18
a consensus on win personhood begins why
104:21
would we not it’s yeah you know what
104:24
spike you know I always make this point
104:25
and I and a lot of people just always
104:27
think we’re gonna go in the opposite of
104:29
the the the horrible direction a lot of
104:32
people like well most people you know
104:33
back in the medieval times people had
104:36
sex for twelve
104:37
ba-ba-ba-ba trying to say go in the
104:39
opposite direction let’s just say we
104:41
left it up to local communities right
104:43
who’s the saying that most people know
104:47
that like once you’re probably around 25
104:49
is when you actually kind of have your
104:51
brain fully developed which is true
104:54
which is fucking true I mean I’ve met
104:57
some 18 year-olds I can still have no
104:59
business making big decisions yes
105:00
exactly leave that shit alone what I’m
105:04
saying is what if communities went in
105:06
the completely opposite direction and
105:08
said 25 baby in this fucking town and
105:11
they loud in this town in this HOA if
105:15
you would have sex 25 25
105:19
like that could be like what I’m saying
105:22
is everyone always thinks it’s gonna be
105:24
less restrictive in a libertarian
105:26
Society all of these things that we
105:28
think you know it very well could be
105:31
there would be a lot of things that
105:33
would be lost restrictive but there’d be
105:35
a lot of things that could be very
105:36
restrictive
105:37
you know if acharyas in a ring in
105:39
specific areas if you yeah if you have
105:43
private property rights right let’s just
105:45
say you live in an HOA which is a
105:46
voluntary government right or governance
105:50
right cuz you voluntarily join
105:52
Hoa right no worst you right now there’s
105:57
some like legalese in there and you
105:59
could like move into an area and it can
106:00
be absorbed or you know absorbed into an
106:03
HOA and then there there could be some
106:05
debate there but like if you go into one
106:08
no we have full and well your anyone
106:10
there yeah yeah you agree to the terms
106:12
man it’s on you it’s on you and it could
106:15
be a lot more restrictive than what we
106:17
have now yeah so living in a free
106:19
society a lot of people don’t even
106:21
realize when we say a free society we
106:23
mean a private property society and if
106:26
we have a private property private law
106:29
society that things would change it
106:31
actually could become more restrictive
106:33
if you are drinking and driving in that
106:36
owner of a road let’s say we have a
106:38
roads now owned by private individuals
106:41
and that individual was driving down the
106:44
road trying to loosen loosen his load
106:46
he’s got worlds of trouble on his mind
106:47
right and he’s drunk off his ass instead
106:51
of like going to jail you may not be
106:54
able to drive on that road Nate let’s
106:56
just say the only road that goes to your
106:58
job you would lose your job and it could
107:02
be more you may not go to jail but you
107:04
could you could live in a harsher
107:06
environment or yeah you have to you know
107:08
get a cab or a taxi to get to your job
107:12
yeah now and all of a sudden you have
107:14
more financial struggles cousins on your
107:17
end so it could be more restrictive and
107:19
that’s what I’m trying to say is a lot
107:21
of people just think you guys want
107:22
anarchy actually no I think in a lot of
107:24
ways I think for our society or cultural
107:27
or a free society to work it would
107:29
actually be more restrictive and it
107:31
might be even more conservative in some
107:34
regards like you may not go to jail for
107:36
doing shit but you may not get a job
107:39
there’d be other things that could
107:42
hinder your success in life there is
107:45
real life consequences for antisocial
107:47
behavior and and and free means we are
107:51
free to associate freely
107:53
it doesn’t mean effort we can just run
107:55
around and have no consequence to their
107:59
act it’s not freedom from consequences
108:01
there may be enough of a demand for Rowe
108:03
for an area where everyone can
108:06
get drunk and high on the roads and
108:08
drive around and smash into each other
108:09
that that effort that the people that
108:11
want to do that move there and the
108:13
people in those areas who are like yeah
108:14
no I want to be able to make it home
108:16
without being hit by five cars because
108:18
everyone’s high they move somewhere else
108:20
people will be able to you know you’ll
108:22
have all of these different little mini
108:23
laboratories federalism taken to the
108:26
individual scale of let people make
108:28
their individual choices and then see
108:31
the consequences of how it plays out
108:33
with everyone in free association where
108:34
if they go oh you know what this
108:35
wouldn’t work let’s not do this anymore
108:37
there aren’t laws in place forcing us to
108:40
have to remain that way and that’s yeah
108:43
I am dude 100% your name on it
108:45
and I mean you’re right and that’s the
108:47
thing a lot of people just don’t
108:49
understand that it very well could be
108:51
more conceal or restrictive and anyway
108:54
just I think realize like we’re not
108:58
Libertines for libertarians and there
109:01
could be a community of libertine oh
109:03
absolutely yeah and you’re that right to
109:05
be like everyone could be fucking
109:07
everyone you know whatever
109:09
that’s third but that’s not maybe what I
109:11
want am i right right no I can this is
109:13
so see ya and I could say those people
109:16
are weird and it doesn’t mean that
109:18
they’re bad or evil I just don’t agree
109:20
with them and I’m not gonna create
109:21
legislation or attack them to harm more
109:24
yeah yeah cause war declare war on them
109:27
because I don’t like their ideas I just
109:29
may not support them may not go to their
109:31
stores may not shop at their place and
109:34
and maybe if they’re in the wrong town
109:37
or the wrong cult cuz you know look at
109:40
the United States man I mean if you live
109:42
in Florida and or you live in California
109:45
there are two different completely
109:47
different cultures if you live in the
109:49
panhandle of Florida versus South
109:51
Florida you live in a two disparately
109:54
different call imeem it there’s the
109:55
night yeah different give me countries
109:57
yeah yeah exactly
109:59
West Virginia and Virginia to different
110:01
countries to different areas I mean that
110:03
was really I mean historically we were
110:05
talking earlier about like the Articles
110:07
of Confederation the Constitution show
110:08
like that yeah but if you look at the
110:10
whole idea of the state was the state of
110:13
Alabama or the state of Massachusetts
110:15
the state of planning they were a state
110:17
that was a state like that was like the
110:20
state of
110:20
France right the out was the country
110:22
that was the actual country the nation
110:24
yeah yeah and that had its own rules had
110:27
its own ideas had its own culture to put
110:30
everything under a one-size-fits-all
110:32
thing doesn’t make any sense to me again
110:35
like look at Washington State look at
110:37
Washington DC same name but different
110:40
fucking cultures totally two different
110:42
things they may both be liberal but
110:45
they’re liberal in different way
110:46
completely different ways it completely
110:48
different cultures even within DC you go
110:51
to a place like we have a home in
110:53
Toronto there are in the same
110:56
neighborhoods different distinct
110:58
communities all because it’s the amount
111:01
of hyper immigration that’s happening in
111:03
in Toronto which is like the the the
111:05
business and and and an economic hub of
111:08
of of Canada Toronto is like New York DC
111:12
and Los Angeles and Chicago all in one
111:15
and so everyone’s going there and the
111:18
levels of different literally from block
111:21
to block the idea that this is all you
111:23
know one nation no it’s not and no one’s
111:26
for everyone oh we’re all Canadians and
111:29
we’re all the same no one actually
111:31
thinks that they say it because they’ve
111:33
been conditioned to believe that’s the
111:34
virtuous thing to say but no one
111:35
actually lives that way no one is
111:38
actually living as though we’re all the
111:40
same people and it’s learned it’s the
111:42
same thing here a great example is like
111:45
Las Vegas right my mom lived out there
111:48
for a couple years and I went out visit
111:51
her and you’d have like one block which
111:53
would be like really yuppie rich area
111:56
right right walk one more block over and
111:59
then you’re in ghetto right and you’d
112:01
walk another block down the road and
112:03
then you’re in rich beautiful homes
112:05
right right right
112:06
like and you’re back in the ghetto again
112:08
it didn’t make any sense yeah I don’t
112:11
it was it was constructed or centrally
112:14
planned that way no ghetto goes here and
112:19
here and here yeah yeah yeah the poor
112:22
people here on this block and we need
112:23
the rich Beulah no it didn’t work out
112:25
that way you just kind of naturally
112:27
progressed happen it’s like a it’s like
112:29
a path and a mountain right like nobody
112:31
likes that you know what we should do is
112:33
we need a row
112:34
that goes exactly through this area no
112:36
paths were created because of the path
112:39
of least resistance that’s half limb and
112:41
ground on a ground area that’s easy to
112:44
navigate or circumcircle navigate right
112:47
that’s the reason why people go that way
112:49
because it’s the easiest route it’s
112:51
human nature where I take the path
112:53
resistance right right fascinating like
112:57
human nature and how that like kind of
112:59
relates and you can like tie all this
113:01
back in economics you know like that’s
113:03
the beauty behind it and it’s very it
113:06
sounds like complicated but it really
113:08
isn’t if you don’t cut out human nature
113:11
that’s what economics is really it’s a
113:13
study of human action human nature yeah
113:15
and what we’re what we do like with all
113:17
things being equal this is what would
113:19
happen and really a beautiful a
113:22
beautiful science or so yeah absolutely
113:26
it is a social side economics is the
113:29
intersection of human nature and math
113:31
and and that’s really what it is like it
113:34
I wouldn’t agree if you’re an Austrian
113:36
you wouldn’t say that necessarily okay
113:38
because Austrians don’t necessarily
113:40
believe in like math knack mathematics
113:43
and charts like you would look at like
113:45
maybe Chicago School would use that but
113:48
Austrians like me seein Austrian
113:51
economists would not they would just use
113:54
deductive reasoning
113:55
they wouldn’t even use charts and graphs
113:57
right and and and what I mean is that
114:01
the math part is that we are applying
114:03
our nature and our subjective value and
114:06
using currency so not necessarily the
114:08
chart part of it but that we’re we’re
114:10
taking this means X to me I’m going to
114:13
use this amount of of this you know
114:15
currency or my labor or whatever so the
114:18
math part is more the metrics of how we
114:20
end up measuring what things are worth
114:23
so I mean ya know it’s definitely a
114:24
social science though and speaking of
114:27
social sciences of course you and I are
114:29
both going this is a terrible segue you
114:31
and I are both going to be models for
114:33
the libertarian dad bod calendar and
114:36
it’s very something like Shane fucking
114:39
suckered me into this one but yeah I’m
114:41
doing it I told them when they came to
114:44
me I said listen I’m not a member of the
114:48
turian party and i’m not a dad but the
114:51
world needs this body and so i’m it is
114:55
what it is and so I’m gonna be mr. April
114:58
my theme is gonna be April showers I
115:00
don’t know if we’re gonna have themes
115:01
but that’s my theme I mean is that know
115:06
so maybe I should change it cuz that’s
115:07
what people are gonna think oh I’m doing
115:10
this I’m doing a swim shit I’m gonna put
115:12
on swim trunks and go out to the beach
115:13
and me and my friend that’s a
115:15
professional photographer we’re gonna
115:17
recreate swimsuit edition shots for me
115:20
like I’m gonna be able to water on me
115:22
and I’m like uh you know it was funny as
115:24
I picked May because it’s my birth month
115:27
so I’m right after you buddy all right
115:30
I’m really excited about it because it
115:32
is going to a good cause the South
115:35
Carolina Libertarian Party is great I
115:37
think they’re one of the best what am i
115:39
yeah they’re like my favorite
115:42
it’s my state so I’m probably somewhat
115:44
biased but they’re they’re killer
115:46
they’re hitting on all cylinders you
115:48
know I have a lot of good friends out
115:49
there and I noticed that I have a lot of
115:52
like-minded people in the South Carolina
115:55
Libertarian Party and I just think
115:57
they’re really good people and I also
115:59
have to acknowledge my my my hometown
116:02
party Washington State is a great
116:05
Libertarian Party also so I have to say
116:07
I’ve seen a lot of libertarian party’s
116:09
I’ve been around a little bit and I’d
116:10
really have to say I really like cats at
116:13
South Carolina or South cackle akha and
116:15
Washington State I think are really good
116:18
organs pretty good and you know there’s
116:22
some states I just I don’t know really
116:24
too much about them I think Colorado is
116:26
good I have never been to a convention
116:28
I’ve heard though they can fucking tear
116:30
shit up and they’re pretty good too so
116:32
but I’m just saying I know South
116:35
Carolina has good people there ya know
116:37
they absolutely do so if you can just
116:39
take a moment to explain to the folks
116:42
watching and listening exactly how much
116:43
they need to have high-definition photos
116:46
of our bodies in their homes okay so if
116:49
you really like Liberty and you want to
116:52
support Liberty by a calendar where
116:56
we’re exposing our junk maybe in boxers
116:59
or doing something
117:01
inappropriate of some sort and really
117:03
nobody you couldn’t even give these
117:05
pictures away to most people but you’re
117:09
doing it for the right reasons these
117:10
would be like unsolicited photos in
117:13
someone’s inbox it’s just horrible shit
117:15
man
117:16
like really nobody wants to see guys
117:18
like us naked or even partially naked
117:20
even partially naked even halfway
117:22
clothes I mean people might even pay us
117:26
to put our clothes back on so I mean
117:29
there’s a thing that’s actually you know
117:31
what that might be what happens is
117:33
people go I know please put your clothes
117:34
back on
117:35
I like it nursers away for free for
117:38
twenty bucks i button this back up $20
117:41
to take it away there we go now we’re
117:45
thanking god I like that I like that
117:48
like I show up with like this shirt
117:50
completely open and I’m like alright
117:51
five bucks to rebut inthis button
117:54
alright ten buck ten that’s funny it
117:57
it’s like the Captain Crunch commercial
117:59
you know remember Captain Crunch sorry
118:02
Cap’n Crunch Cap’n Crunch
118:04
Cap’n Crunch took his hat off really and
118:10
everyone like keep that because he has
118:14
like weird fucking shit
118:15
God his shit was all nuts I don’t
118:18
remember that was that like in the 80s
118:20
or something I know you should have been
118:22
around for that you might have been like
118:24
five I was probably I was probably a kid
118:26
I’ll have to look that up absolutely
118:27
need it was probably like mid to
118:30
eighties mid the ladies yeah so I was
118:34
like I was a kid okay nevermind but it
118:37
was good that is funny
118:38
that is funny so we have a question from
118:41
a longtime follower named Kim ruff she
118:44
asked what is your opinion on Captain
118:47
Marvel oh fuck thanks babe okay about
118:58
the okay I have two I have two opinions
119:00
on but she knows damn well my opinion is
119:03
Larry’s cuz now she’s gonna make me song
119:06
a dick my opinion on cap tomorrow I you
119:10
know
119:11
I think it’s forced I think the movie
119:14
Captain Marvel in the MCU was an
119:17
absolutely forced movie it didn’t need
119:20
to be there I think the hero lacks
119:22
substance even the comic-book character
119:25
wasn’t even that good not because you
119:28
know it they’re just to me it’s the
119:31
Marvel Cinematic Universe which I
119:33
absolutely adore in life our try force
119:37
and agenda and I have no problems with
119:40
all these characters that have been
119:42
around forever but the only probably I
119:44
never had a problem with the character
119:45
in the comic books cuz she was a female
119:47
she was Miss Marvel before that and I
119:49
liked the character she was cool with
119:51
Carol Danvers was really cool it just
119:53
seemed it the character that the way
119:56
they portrayed her it was the psyche we
119:59
need a woman superhero and blah blah
120:01
blah and it was just like you didn’t
120:03
need to do that you didn’t need to pull
120:05
the movie off the way that they did
120:07
really like I loved female superheroes
120:11
like I love nobody bitches about Black
120:13
Widow she is badass I would I am looking
120:16
forward to seeing her movie why because
120:19
she’s a good character
120:20
she wasn’t created to have a female
120:23
presence in the Marvel Cinematic
120:24
Universe no she’s just been there and
120:28
she’s great the actress who plays her
120:30
plays are wonderfully I like the
120:32
dynamics of the character I have no
120:35
problem with that character I have a
120:37
problem with Miss are Captain Marvel
120:39
because I think it was it was a movie
120:41
that they felt that they can push an
120:45
agenda a social agenda and a lot of the
120:48
things in that movie would just made me
120:50
cringe it absolutely made me cringe I’m
120:53
like really goddammit
120:55
really you had to fuck up this movie
120:57
just to push a social agenda so that’s
121:01
my opinion on that movie okay comes
121:05
enough so that Kim Seok Kim now you know
121:07
if you didn’t know before I said this
121:11
like we watched the movie and we got in
121:13
the car she’s I really liked it I
121:14
thought it was good it was entertaining
121:15
I’m like hmm she’s like what’s wrong you
121:19
didn’t like that scene did you I’m like
121:21
no I didn’t I knew you didn’t like
121:24
that’s it I’m like
121:24
yeah I made a fucking noise like really
121:26
loud in the movie really you know so
121:31
it’s very frustrating yeah but yeah now
121:35
I didn’t like the movie and again like a
121:37
venture cent game I love that fucking
121:39
movie I thought it was great a lot of
121:40
people like it’s boring but there was
121:43
that one scene did you see Avengers
121:44
endgame I haven’t seen it yet but I’ve
121:46
had it explained to me that she kind of
121:48
comes in as like this deus ex machina
121:50
character where it’s like you know
121:52
everything saved now because Mary Sue is
121:55
here and everything’s gonna be fixed and
121:57
it was like no but there was this one
121:59
shot man it was just like the whole
122:01
movie was great
122:02
but then they had to put this one shot
122:05
in and it didn’t make any sense
122:07
it was just like forced there was a
122:10
scene where everyone scattered on a
122:11
battlefield right and then all of a
122:14
sudden Captain Marvel comes out right
122:16
and then every female character was like
122:20
shown back-to-back like and they like
122:24
they were scattered five seconds ago
122:27
and now they’re all together but now all
122:30
of a sudden miraculously they’re all
122:33
together in one spot and we’re gonna do
122:35
a highlight montage of all the women and
122:38
the girl power that they purred it’s
122:40
like I don’t have a problem with strong
122:42
female characters right but what was the
122:44
point of that yeah guys you just fucked
122:47
up a cool scene just to push some
122:50
fucking narrative down our throats sorry
122:53
I’m gonna say it you pushed a fucking
122:55
narrative down our throats it’d be like
122:58
if all of a sudden every racial minority
123:00
just happened to me yeah good no I was
123:03
just gonna say I was just saying it
123:04
would be like if every if all of a
123:06
sudden every racial minority just all
123:08
popped up in the same area and like
123:10
we’re here like like if Black Panther 2
123:14
comes out and then like there would be
123:16
every black person ever in the MCU in a
123:18
shot and what a shot yeah yeah like one
123:21
shot like lined up here’s like why but
123:25
they weren’t even in the same room and
123:27
now they are like it doesn’t make any
123:29
sense so to me it was just it was just
123:31
again it’s forced it’s again it’s it’s
123:34
just – they think that they have to
123:36
please people of
123:38
ethnicity and race their ethnicity and
123:41
sexism all the sudden and lifestyles
123:44
they have to have gay characters just
123:46
write a goddamn good story I don’t write
123:48
the shit if the characters gay black
123:50
Chinese it doesn’t matter just write a
123:53
good write a good story you can have gay
123:55
black and Chinese Pete you can have a
123:57
gay black Chinese person but make it an
123:59
organic thing don’t make this force like
124:01
I’m gay black Chinese guy yes oh but
124:05
that’s the thing and like what they like
124:07
the MCU is what they’re doing right now
124:09
is it does irritate people because I’m a
124:12
long time advocate and reader of Marvel
124:14
Comics and I’m like I’m all for change
124:16
I’m not like anti change but like I grew
124:19
up knowing certain characters as a
124:21
certain way like if black panther if
124:25
Marvel decided one day that we’re gonna
124:28
make black panther a white guy what
124:32
would happen right just throwing it out
124:34
there for what would happen people would
124:36
be pissed saying that the racist how
124:39
dare they change shit why why would they
124:42
be met because there’s a change that
124:44
goes against what like I would be mad
124:46
because Black Panther in the comic books
124:48
ever since the beginning of the
124:49
character he’s been a black guy and he
124:52
was the king of Wakanda and he’s the
124:54
bright would make it would make no sense
124:55
right right right sense like I love the
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character one of my favorite characters
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actually I’ve been Kim knows all about
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this is Luke Cage I love Luke Cage and I
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love Iron Fist one of my favorite
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characters and I’ve actually been
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reading like all of the 1970s comics of
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Luke Cage I love the character I love
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Luke Cage he’s cool as fuck one of my
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heroes
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but if they made him white I would be
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upset but what they’re doing in Marvel
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now in the movies is they’re taking
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people who are white and making them
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Asian or black or whatever just so they
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have diversity to me it’s like no the
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character that we grew up on and knew
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was this ethnicity and had this kind of
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personality or whatever that’s fucked up
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don’t change it just to appeal to you
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know social pressures Morais I mean
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right try
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you’re you’re taking create a good
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character it doesn’t matter if they’re
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white black or whatever you’re a good
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character they’re gonna stand on their
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own merit
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right exactly we’re actually gonna we
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actually got a comment from tube fire
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who said I don’t know if this is true or
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not they they said Captain Marvel
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started off as a black woman but she got
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whitewashed it’s so racist I don’t know
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if that’s true
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Captain Marvel the original Captain
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Marvel was a character in the comic
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books was a white guy okay Monica
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Rambeau was a black Captain Marvel
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completely different scenario Monica
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Rambeau was a another character she took
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the mantle of Captain of Captain Marvel
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she was great she was part of the
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Avengers and that was a totally
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different storyline that she took her
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character off in a different direction
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um but no she was cool they had I had no
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problems with that she was and in the in
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the Captain Marvel movie Monica Rambeau
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was a young girl in the Marvel Universe
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so they tried to pay homage to that
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young the black character well I have no
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problems with that so but technically
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Captain Marvel was originally Oh Miss
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Marvel well she started off as Miss
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Marvel but I believe he may be correct
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that Monica Rambeau was one of the very
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first Captain Marvel’s that is correct
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okay cool yeah so it sounds like this is
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going to be this is gonna work well for
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you so we’re gonna do a segment that
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I’ve just recently introduced called
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final my fellow Americans okay which is
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where I I ask a series of short
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questions I give you 30 seconds which is
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nowhere near enough time to answer it’s
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it’s like rocket fire it’s similar but
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okay it’s similar I’m not gonna say it’s
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like it I’m gonna say it’s similar to it
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the difference is that I don’t give you
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anywhere near enough time to answer this
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that’s part of it but so we’re gonna put
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30 seconds on the clock I am going to
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name each of the libertarian
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presidential candidates and you tell me
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the first comic book character that pops
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into your mind so you let me know when
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you’re ready and we’ll get started first
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comic book character the puffers comic
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book
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mom’s here mind just first thing this is
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one of those like Rorschach tests things
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like the first thing that you think of
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so we’re gonna start right now
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good luck Adam kokeshi
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gambit oh okay
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Arvin Vora Professor X Oh Ben letter
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leader venom Dan Berman spider-man John
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McAfee Doctor Octopus I like that I
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really let these are made these are
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great Vermin Supreme The Joker sir you
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wouldn’t I love all the Kim ruff final
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final one Kim ruff Phoenix yes yes
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literally lives in Arizona and
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everything yep that is the most
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successful final my fellow Americans in
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the history of this program the second
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the second best one was actually so the
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second best one I have to actually I
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probably need to say that your wife did
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very well because she III had I named
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all of the libertarian presidential
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candidates and she had to name a
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Simpsons character she said that they
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were all comic-book guy that was a good
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answer
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Renzo Martinez I gave him 30 seconds to
129:51
give the libertarian argument for voting
129:53
for Donald Trump and he gave this in
129:55
crazy stream-of-consciousness about um
129:58
that didn’t made no sense at the end he
130:00
was literally just throwing out
130:02
multi-syllable words like
130:05
antidisestablishmentarianism like it was
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you have you are now the the winner of
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my fellow of a final my element that was
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venom
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the first thing about land I just I have
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no idea
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no that was all of those repair net
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course Kim was perfect she’s even she’s
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literally in are you guys in Phoenix
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you’re in Arizona we are right outside
130:32
of Phoenix I mean we’re not like we
130:35
could throw up throw a couple stones and
130:37
maybe hit the border road right we’re
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the same kind of we’re not very far at
130:41
all and she’s got the red hair she’s
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Natalie Phoenix she is Phoenix
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she is my I love it those were all great
130:50
answers so Johnny I have had an absolute
130:54
blast having you on I’m so happy that
130:56
you came on I can’t wait to tell you my
130:58
do drug story when we go off the air but
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I so I just want to give you a chance
131:04
before before I let you go any final
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thoughts that you want to give anything
131:08
that you thought we didn’t get a chance
131:10
to talk about any upcoming stuff that
131:12
you want to plug any events you want to
131:14
plug anything about your show you want
131:15
to plug anything you want to talk about
131:18
you have as much time as you want Johnny
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rocket the floor is yours
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um no I again thank you spike I really
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appreciate you having me on the show man
131:28
yeah if anything guys if you if you want
131:30
to check out some really great podcast I
131:33
recommend that you do check out besides
131:35
the show after this show after the show
131:39
go check out Volvo launchpad Mediacom we
131:43
have some great shows out there we have
131:45
the last night errs we have postcards
131:47
from Somalia we have sounds like liberty
131:50
we have actual Anarchy or excuse me
131:53
educated anarchy we have drunken
131:56
disorderly and blast off a Johnny rocket
131:59
and even nice guys finish free with Alex
132:02
Merced so we have some great shows we’ve
132:04
got some great writers please check them
132:06
out or great shows they’re really fun I
132:08
wouldn’t have had them on if they are
132:10
not great yeah and what else um I guess
132:13
and if you do like our show and if you
132:15
do listen to it check us out at support
132:18
blast off comm again that’s support
132:21
blast off comm and I just had a great
132:23
time spike and thank you so much for you
132:26
know having me on and again I’m gonna
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plug my wife I go to
132:30
Philips 2000 ruff Philips 2020 calm and
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she is absolutely amazing
132:37
she’s well-spoken well-versed knows her
132:39
shit principled and she’s you know I
132:43
honestly I want to say that she is she’s
132:47
the most pragmatic radical I have ever
132:49
met
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yeah I don’t even know please can even
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be put together but somehow she pulls it
132:55
off and it’s in its its principle all
132:58
together at the same time ya know she’s
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absolutely incredible I’m gonna plug my
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wife after this um but um so guys thank
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you again yeah yeah you know what I’m
133:08
talking about
133:08
so so guys thanks again for tuning into
133:13
my fellow Americans be sure to tune in
133:15
tomorrow
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oh no don’t turn in tomorrow because
133:18
Matt Wright is still in Ohio so there
133:21
will be no episode of the writer’s block
133:24
tomorrow but do be sure to tune in
133:26
Friday for the Shabbat episode of mr.
133:29
merica to the beard of truth with Jason
133:31
Lyon then have a great weekend maybe
133:33
over the weekend you can listen to some
133:34
of the launchpad media stuff but then
133:36
come right back here on Monday because
133:39
we have a brand new episode of mr.
133:43
merica the beard of truth with Jason
133:44
Lyon and then be sure to tune in on
133:46
Tuesday for the muddy waters of freedom
133:49
where Matt Wright returns with me as we
133:51
parse through the news of the week with
133:54
the with the the the joy of a sweet
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summer boy and then tune in next
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Wednesday where I will where I will have
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I know I’m not I don’t do I have a guess
134:07
walking in a field my friends yes that’s
134:10
the that’s the so that’s the so that’s
134:12
actually the theme even though it’s not
134:14
April’s not in summer that is going to
134:17
be goddamn calendar you should put on
134:19
some little fucking shorts and be
134:21
frolicking in a field somewhere just
134:25
picture like am I in water that’s a
134:28
better idea than you with your April
134:30
bullshit April showers what’s it with
134:34
like flowers and shit run in fruit and
134:36
just frog look like a basket with like a
134:38
little basket and like throwing the
134:39
flower yes and we’re like the little
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like you know
134:43
the sweet severance the sweet summer boy
134:46
and then tune in next week for my fellow
134:49
Americans right here on Wednesday night
134:51
I have a guest I don’t remember I don’t
134:54
remember who my guest is you’re not
134:56
going to believe who it is either so be
134:57
sure to tune in Wednesday for my
134:58
surprise guest that no one knows at the
135:00
moment but guys thanks again for tuning
135:02
in so much and God bless you
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[Music]


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Spike Cohen
Spike Cohen
Local Jew. Contrarian stoic sentimentalist. Antidisestablishmentarianism. Will pet your dog.