(((My Fellow Americans))) #45: Igniting Brushfires with Kim Ruff

(((My Fellow Americans))) #45: Igniting Brushfires with Kim Ruff It is far too early in this cycle for Spike to endorse a Presidential candidate and he's not really a fan of endorsing political candidates in general BUT MANNNNNNNNN does he like his guest tonight. Kim Ruff is running for the Libertarian Party nomination for President, and she has been incredible so far. Kim is going to talk with Spike about her vision for America, while we share our love for legalizing almost everything.


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It is far too early in this cycle for Spike to endorse a Presidential candidate and he’s not really a fan of endorsing political candidates in general BUT MANNNNNNNNN does he like his guest tonight. Kim Ruff is running for the Libertarian Party nomination for President, and she has been incredible so far.

Kim is going to talk with Spike about her vision for America, while we share our love for legalizing almost everything.

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guys my guest tonight is an absolute
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absolutely amazing human being she has
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been very active in the Liberty movement
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a libertarian a household name if you
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will if you can picture a libertarian
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household she would be a name in it for
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15 years now she is currently running
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for the Libertarian Party nomination to
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be the next president of the United
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States her platform is absolutely
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remarkable I am so excited to have her
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on without further ado my faux Americans
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please join me in welcoming to the show
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madam future President Kim ruff
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Kim thank you so much for coming thank
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you so much for having me on no I know I
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was trying to keep it straight while I
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was here you like laughing the whole
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time so I appreciate that but I’m not
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gonna say that I was that I’m jealous
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that you were on Matt’s show the
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writer’s block first before mine I am
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going to say that as soon as you guys
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signed off I was in your DMS requesting
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that you be on my show and also that I
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cried a little so in my DMS actually
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that’s right yeah looks like crying
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emojis would you like to be on my show
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and you’re like sure I guess so so thank
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you thank you for buying my my my
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desperate person shtick it worked for my
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wife too so it’s been a good thing I’ve
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had a good run with it so thank you and
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guys be guys be sure to comment with
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your with your thoughts and questions
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and Kim and I will tell you if you are
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right or wrong
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now Kim this is your first time on the
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show and whenever I have a guest on for
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the first time the first question I
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always ask is what brought you to
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libertarianism would you say it was kind
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of an aha moment or a gradual evolution
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tell us about that I think in my case it
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was more of a gradual evolution it was a
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conflation of factors I was raised
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Republican we live in Arizona and so
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that’s very much a Barry Goldwater
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Republican state right and so I kind of
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came from
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that meant very much of the free-market
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mindset and then after 9/11 and just
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watching the excuses used to increase
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the amount of power vested in the
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federal government warrantless
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wiretapping with the USA PATRIOT Act
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suspension of habeas corpus for declared
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terrorists and then of course invasions
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in Iraq and Afghanistan that turned me
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off from the GOP the additional factor
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that had a huge impact on me is GLBT
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rights one of the gigs that I had for
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about a decade was I wrote movie reviews
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for a local gay magazine an energy mimic
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okay so a lot of my friends are in the
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community and having seen just a
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institution of social programs to
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penalize homosexuals it really that was
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another thing that really turned me off
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in the GOP but I was never a Democrat
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and that knows never something that I
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lean toward I’m not a proponent at all
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of using government to do really
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anything for that matter so the natural
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response was to look at the Libertarian
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Party a friend of mine who knew about it
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suggested it I read the platform I loved
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everything they had to say it was like
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the first time in my life where I felt
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this was reflective of my personal views
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that I’d acquired over the course of my
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life and so I immediately changed voter
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registration in about 2005 and I got
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involved in the party in 2009 after I
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graduated from college very cool and so
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you aren’t one of these libertarians who
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are like well not a big fan of this part
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of the platform but I really support you
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know 80% of it or whatever you’re kind
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of like you look at that and you’re like
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yes this is what I believe yeah I really
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love our platform and what I
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particularly like about our platform is
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the statement of principles because I
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think it’s just such a beautifully
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encapsulated summary of everything that
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we stand for as libertarians the
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recognition that it is totally unethical
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and immoral to use force to enact your
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will so that’s something that we
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vehement ly reject in the natural
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response to that is to reject government
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because government has a monopoly on
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force or at least the state version of
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it has a monopoly on force whereas you
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can have a voluntary government but
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that’s a separate discussion for another
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time unless those but yeah then the
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platform itself is just an expansion on
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how those ideas translate to various
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different aspects of policy or Pro
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and it’s it’s really very well done and
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I don’t I don’t have any objection or
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issue to it at all in fact I love the
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fact that we just added another plank to
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it where we talked about sex work now
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yeah I’m talking about for a very long
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time I’m glad that now our national
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platform has a plank specifically
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talking about how that is totally
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acceptable we don’t have any issue with
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it and there’s no reason for government
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to penalize people for engaging in that
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right and I mean the to be fair
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obviously the platform before that the
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logical conclusion of that was that sex
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work was was not something to be
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legislated or controlled by by a you
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know by a controlling state this just
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puts it out and no in no in no uncertain
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terms that you know this is something
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that we support now what led you so
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you’ve been doing this for about 15
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years now which in libertarian years is
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like 60 years it’s a long time to be a
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libertarian
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what would you say led you to decide to
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run for president
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okay well just to clarify it’s actually
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been 10 years I started getting involved
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directly in 2009 I mean if you want to
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count the time that I changed my
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political registration yeah 15 but as
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far as activism goes 10 reason why I
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decided to run for president having come
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from being kind of an intra-party
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politics person you know working in that
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capacity holding positions of authority
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or working in committees and doing stuff
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of that nature with the party directly
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was the recognition that we need to have
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somebody on the national stage who’s
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able to articulate these values and do
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so without error and without creating a
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situation worth where are activists or
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down ballot candidates are effectively
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correcting misapprehensions voters might
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hold about what we believe as something
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that we’ve struggled with because
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historically we’ve deferred to the
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concept of name recognition or the
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potential of getting a certain amount of
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votes or you know a vote threshold or
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acquiring a war chest supposedly this
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amazing pot of gold that’s gonna come
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our way if we ran this yeah you know
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this person but this person will when
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they do get media attention they will
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neglect to really hit home some of the
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things that make us so distinctly unique
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and wonderful compare the two major
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parties so since I’ve been doing
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this on a local level you know going and
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doing petition drives or voter
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registration drives you know just
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tabeling and where you have that
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conversation all the time and you have
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to answer these questions all the time
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we know this backwards and forwards
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who’s better to represent our party than
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our amazing activists so when I threw my
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hat in the ring it was sort of a call to
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arms for everyone not so much like it
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needs to be me it doesn’t have to be me
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but we all have that capability of being
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that awesome representative and we
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should step up we should stop saying
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someone should come save us and instead
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take control of it and do it ourselves
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we need a very faint well very famous a
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person with some level of name
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recognition in the double digits who we
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have to teach how to be a libertarian
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while they run for president as a
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libertarian um so pretty sure I’m pretty
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sure Jesus would know libertarianism I
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just feel like innately he would know we
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wouldn’t have to like walk him through
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it but yes it’s that saying we’re
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looking for the former Republican Jesus
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that’s gonna walk us to the the Holy
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Land of 5% anyway III that whole thing
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is anyway so 5% wit not win just give 5%
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doesn’t matter if he’s a libertarian or
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not I just need 5% that’s literally what
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we care about
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so it’s January 22 121 right yeah
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it’s January 2021 you have been you have
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been this shows not even happening
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anymore
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you have been inaugurated president what
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do the first hundred days of the rough
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Phillips administration look like well
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CY to give a little hat tip to my friend
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and one of our our campaign members
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Craig Bowden he wanted me to make sure
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that I was explicit in saying that the
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first three or four days will be spent
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dealing with parties and calling
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dignitaries in foreign heads of state
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and saying hey thanks and how’s it going
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oh you wanted to make sure that I was
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clear about that like there’s gonna be
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some administrative stuff first right
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there’s the first 100 days the big
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things that we are really trying to hit
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home
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that were vehemently passionately
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anti-war we need to end those . and we
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need to remove our troops bring them
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back home we need to close oversea bases
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we need to stop being the aggressor on
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the international stage and in dens up
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to that and we actually cover this in an
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interview last night because John and I
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did that together is the issue of
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tariffs which is you know dovetails into
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the whole thing with the free market we
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want to have a free market both
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domestically and internationally and the
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best way to foster healthy international
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relations is to show respect diplomacy
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and of course engage in a free market
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situation when we deny a free market
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opportunity we are denying ourselves a
14:10
wealth of information products and
14:12
services that are going to make us as
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individuals in a society better we’re
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effectively stymieing our growth not
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just economically but intellectually as
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well it’s important that we do get rid
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of tariffs and that we open up free
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trade additionally we shouldn’t have any
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preference or a relationship with anyone
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that gives them greater consideration or
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deference over any other it really
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should just be based on who has the
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superior product or service so that’s
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something that that needs to be done and
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the other thing that’s hugely important
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for me is criminal justice reform
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granted I can’t do that on a state level
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though I can certainly talk about what’s
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wrong at the state level but on a
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federal level I can do something about
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that and it’s hugely important to me to
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basically hold all federal prosecutors
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responsible for valuing a conviction
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over actually seeking the truth the
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whole point and purpose of our
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Jeffersonian model of jurisprudence was
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to basically ensure that regardless of
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economic status or station individuals
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were given the same representation and
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consideration in the court of law they
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were to be treated equally that’s why we
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have civil liberties that’s why you have
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a BS corpus and mends and access rheya
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that’s why you were processed all of
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that stuff is designed to prevent you
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from being victimized by the state and
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the purpose of a prosecutor is to seek
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the truth not a conviction the truth
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that’s their job but obviously when they
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are rewarded for conviction rates when
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they were rewarded for you know when
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police are rewarded for arresting people
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and prosecutors are rewarded for putting
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people in jail
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then there is no incentive to find the
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truth there’s only incentive to continue
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to enact harm so that’s something that
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really needs to be brought to light and
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that means that people who have
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committed no real crime mean this means
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like there’s no victim right you have a
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whole bunch of laws that say you’re a
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criminal for doing all sorts of things
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but oh yeah yep but that law is not
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necessarily indicative of an actual
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crime a crime is whether is a victim if
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you choose to smoke a joint
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who are you harming no one I mean I
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suppose some people could make the
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argument that you’re harming yourself
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but they’re gonna put you in prison to
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teach you a lesson because you’re
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harming yourself that’s absurd if you
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like if you eat too many carbs you’re
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harming yourself like where is the line
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that we draw that if you know if you’re
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doing you know X Y Z but that you know
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you can harm yourself up to this point
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up to this point we care so much about
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you we’re gonna put you in a cage to
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keep you from harming yourself that’ll
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fix it that’s right it’s okay for you to
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drink beer but my god if you have a big
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gulp if you if you you can have two
16:49
beers if you have four beers you’re out
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of here no it’s great and and like you
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said the system right now we talked
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about presumption of innocence and yet
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because it’s a I guess merit-based
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system or a points-based system the
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entire system is predicated on you have
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to get as many if you’re a police
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officer as many arrests as possible if
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you’re a prosecutor you have to give as
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many prosecutions as possible and or as
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many convictions as possible and the
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problem is that assumes that everyone
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that gets in front of you is guilty and
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you just have to adjudicate them into
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being guilty you have to process them to
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guilt and that’s how we end up with the
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system we have now so I I was very
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interested in reading your you have some
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very bold positions ending all the
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current wars essentially opening the
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borders and and and giving amnesty to
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peaceful people that are here already
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illegally pardoning all felons of
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victimΓ­s crimes you said that Titanic
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was not a good movie that was very bold
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and by the way you made math today with
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that because that’s a big that’s a big
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chip he has on his shoulder since like
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1998 or whatever that came out that that
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was a terrible movie and I don’t recall
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I mean did we get into the weeds on that
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one because I have some
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I went to school for film I want to let
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you know this like before I got my
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degree in communication Poli Sci I have
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an associates and Applied Science in
18:06
motion picture television and then I
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think I spent a solid decade pretending
18:10
I was Martin Scorsese and just watching
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movies back to back to back right so
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there’s a whole period of time where I
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never went on dates you have American
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film they interrupt anyway they want to
18:26
talk about themselves I’m trying to
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watch the movie when the when Titanic
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came out I was in high school and at the
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time and I’m just ashamed to admit it
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like this is the lowest point in time in
18:39
my life and if this is the worst thing I
18:40
ever did I guess I’m doing okay I came
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home and I sobbed for the love of Jack
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and Rose I did mind you I was a goth in
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high school that’s not okay okay we
18:53
don’t sob we’re dead inside but then as
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you get older and you watch more movies
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and you see you’re like oh my god this
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is just half it’s totally try it I mean
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just short of being a Nicholas Sparks
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movie which you know is gonna be popped
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because it’s Nicholas Sparks right it
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was manipulate it was emotionally
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manipulative crap I would much rather
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watch a movie there was just about the
19:17
disaster in and of itself
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who gives a who cares about these people
19:22
I just want to know about the disaster
19:24
and what happened after that Jack I love
19:26
you but you have to die well no I think
19:29
there’s plenty of room for nope you have
19:31
to die and then I’m gonna throw the
19:32
diamond in the sea however it was yeah
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so was it again bold positions but what
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actually struck me is you’re you’re an
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anarchist right yep that’s true
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you’re an anarchist and yet your
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positions if you go to rough Phillips
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2020 dot-com and read her positions
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they’re pretty in line with what a
19:52
strict constitutionalist would support
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like the ones that have given up their
19:58
you know fear of foreigners and things
19:59
like that and actually read the
20:01
Constitution and seeing where it
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actually limits the powers that are
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supposed to limit the powers of
20:07
government to this would be in my mind
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that as a former constitutionalist
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and now recovering a Spooner issed III I
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would read that the old me would have
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read that and been like yeah that’s
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pretty good it was that an intentional
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thing or is this just your sort of the
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your mechanism for achieving
20:28
statelessness is using the plain
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language in the constitution of saying
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we really need to limit government first
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and then going from there it’s a couple
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of things the reason why we’re doing
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this is twofold I mean one it is a step
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toward ultimately a stateless society
20:43
but it’s also you know in that
20:45
conversation as a recognition that our
20:46
culture has been indoctrinated into a
20:49
mindset that at worst government is
20:51
still unnecessary evil so we have sort
20:55
of the Society of people who’ve never
20:56
truly understand we have never
20:58
experienced freedom we you know we
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talked about it in jingoistic terms
21:02
during independence day or whatever we
21:04
invoke nationalistic or traditionalist
21:06
expense events but nobody’s actually
21:09
tasted what truly freedom is so we have
21:13
to combat that mentality
21:15
additionally we use government is
21:16
basically a cure for all of our
21:18
existential crises like I feel bad about
21:20
some event happening so I’m going to
21:22
turn to my elected representative to do
21:24
something about it because right I’m too
21:28
overworked don’t you ever tax them to
21:30
have retired I can’t do anything about
21:31
it but it makes me feel a little bit
21:32
better about the terrible things because
21:34
somebody’s doing something somewhere
21:35
exactly I know where we’re at culturally
21:38
so what we wanted to do when we crafted
21:40
our platform is we wanted to talk about
21:42
these things only within as sort of a
21:44
first step like this is what we’re going
21:47
to do in this these parameters so that
21:50
we can actually have people see what
21:52
truly having a constitutional republic
21:54
as it was designed was supposed to be a
21:56
step one taste a little bit of freedom
21:59
feels good let’s get some more right but
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the other aspect of it is is because
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central itself ownership and personal
22:05
responsibility are a huge aspect of the
22:09
whole libertarian philosophy what we
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felt was important was to be able to say
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yes we are seeking the highest executive
22:16
office in the land this is true however
22:18
we’re going to create constraints on
22:21
what we can and cannot do and we’re
22:24
going to use this mold as indicia of our
22:26
pledge to you that we are not going to
22:28
go outside of these lanes because
22:30
personal responsibility and self
22:32
ownership is hugely important and you
22:34
need to be able to trust that I will not
22:36
go beyond this people needs to have that
22:39
trust again I’m not saying you should
22:41
trust necessarily politicians but if you
22:44
are electing somebody to represent you
22:45
in government you need to be able to
22:48
trust they are going to do what they say
22:50
they’re gonna do within the parameters
22:51
of that office so that’s kind of the
22:54
twofold aspect to it or at least try at
22:58
least least intend to um the no I agree
23:02
hundred percent the the entire basis of
23:04
libertarianism as you own yourself you
23:06
own your body you own the product of
23:09
your own your labor you own the product
23:11
of your labor which means you own your
23:12
property that’s an inherently empowering
23:14
and empathetic message which we
23:16
sometimes present in less than
23:17
empathetic ways that’s a whole other
23:19
subject but the it’s you know we have
23:23
our moments but um someone described it
23:25
as LPD libertarian personality disorder
23:27
and and and it’s it’s a real thing um
23:31
but you know we have this great message
23:33
and you’re right you use the the the
23:35
constitutional framework that and it
23:38
also presents the narrative that when we
23:40
get elected and we swear to uphold my
23:43
Constitution will actually do it as
23:45
opposed to the other parties who use
23:48
that as like you said like a jingoistic
23:49
you know all the Constitution which is
23:51
like this abstract term they use to
23:54
refer to whatever it is they decide they
23:56
want to do so no I agree 100% on that
23:58
now while I have you here will you sign
24:02
on to the muddied waters media platform
24:06
which is really just one thing that we
24:08
want to see a legalization of
24:10
recreational plutonium will you not
24:22
where’s the heat lamp legalization or
24:27
decriminalization which would you prefer
24:29
I decrease my nukes
24:33
I don’t want regulation and taxing of my
24:36
nukes so you support you support
24:38
decriminalization of
24:40
of my pollute of my recreational
24:42
mechanics yeah well technically what
24:45
you’re asking is do I support your cream
24:46
decriminalization of you holding
24:48
something that you mined out of the
24:49
earth it’s not technically a nuclear
24:51
weapon until you’re able to split the
24:53
atom but yes I support your right to
24:55
take from your property what you mind
24:58
and do with it what thou wilt provided
25:01
of course you do not harm others right
25:03
which is a big one with that that would
25:07
be a big one with thermonuclear weapons
25:08
sadly I lost all of mine in a tragic
25:12
nuclear boating accident nuclear
25:15
submarine acts that was terrible I was
25:21
gonna say anything like you know I may
25:24
or may not have been near Japan in 2011
25:27
but um marine that sank perchance I’ve
25:33
said enough I’ve said enough bottom line
25:36
is I don’t have them anymore it’s very
25:38
very sad um so this is this is an
25:41
interesting question I have which is why
25:43
I wrote it like me you’re against your
25:47
kids dull Taxation short of ending the
25:53
state and all taxes which ideally is
25:56
what we’d like what would you consider
25:57
as a as a secondary step so like when
26:00
people talk about all these different
26:01
types of taxes what do you consider to
26:04
be the quote unquote ideal tax as we’re
26:06
working towards you know not having any
26:09
oh my goodness it’s a good question but
26:20
yeah but I actually I always find that a
26:22
little bit frustrating getting asked
26:23
this question because you’re effectively
26:24
asking which you prefer to be vaginally
26:29
raped or anally raped like it’s still
26:31
rape you’re still being negatively
26:33
impacted they’re both terrible things it
26:35
doesn’t make it slightly less worse
26:37
because it’s in your preferred orifice
26:41
so I realize that’s like the most
26:43
classless way of explaining this but I
26:46
think this show is kind of asking me to
26:48
make some jokes so I’m gonna do it but
26:50
but but that’s that’s really the problem
26:52
inherent in that
26:53
chin is it being like would you prefer
26:56
something terrible over something
26:58
terrible something else it’s terrible
27:00
okay right well I have no desire to
27:02
replace a bad concept with another bad
27:06
concept even if we feel that it might be
27:08
slightly less worse rather what I’d like
27:10
to do is chip away at that bad concept
27:12
until it’s completely gone I’d rather
27:14
just get rid of and we slowly roll back
27:17
in whatever capacity we can existing tax
27:20
system not replaced it with something
27:22
else okay note to self stop advocating
27:26
for value-added Anil tax okay so it’s a
27:36
shortcoming of mine um so obviously the
27:41
[Laughter]
27:43
good girl
27:45
yeah there’s so many things I’m not
27:48
going to say now
27:49
so the obviously the biggest thing
27:52
everyone’s been talking about for the
27:53
last like several days has been gun
27:55
control because of these mass shootings
27:58
we had the Gilroy California shooter and
28:00
the El Paso shooter who both appear to
28:02
have been white nationalists actually
28:04
the El Paso shooter was like a white
28:06
National Socialist then you’ve got the
28:08
Dayton Ohio shooter who appears to have
28:12
been a Democratic Socialist who
28:15
supported Bernie Sanders and Liz Warren
28:20
obviously right now it is very difficult
28:23
to talk about our beliefs about gun
28:26
control because you have people who are
28:29
inundated with fear for themselves and
28:31
their children and loved ones they’re
28:33
being inundated with mass media
28:35
programming to design to you know get
28:38
them to want to disarm and then you’re
28:41
dealing with a lot of libertarians who
28:44
will say stuff like my guns matter more
28:46
than your children and and it doesn’t
28:49
augur well for us off and I actually
28:52
posted a couple days ago I said right
28:55
this was like on Friday or Saturday and
28:57
I said if you’re not able to advocate
29:00
for gun rights in a way that doesn’t
29:01
demonstrate empathy for others maybe
29:03
just get off the internet until like
29:05
Tuesday um
29:07
so just maybe just maybe get off the
29:09
internet um how do you and how then
29:14
should we what do you think right now is
29:16
a good way to message to people while
29:20
also empathizing to people because this
29:22
is a scary time this is a time when both
29:23
parties are talking about some serious
29:25
restrictions on the types of guns we can
29:27
have the types of people who can have
29:28
them how do we combat that without
29:31
coming off as seeming like we don’t care
29:32
about people that are being killed in
29:34
the street right well I think this is
29:38
something that you know we always run
29:39
into there’s a tragedy that occurs and
29:41
it of course is incredibly heartbreaking
29:43
and terrible and then the natural
29:46
response is well we need to do something
29:48
you know there’s something that has to
29:49
be done and again because we do look at
29:51
government as the solution for all that
29:53
ails us that is kind of a natural
29:56
response for people nowadays to look to
29:58
government to solve this problem but
30:00
some things cannot be solved by
30:02
government and really well actually
30:03
nothing nothing can be solved by
30:06
government government doesn’t do
30:07
anything well it can’t even solve itself
30:09
right so you know my big thing that I
30:13
would say to anyone who is very rattled
30:15
by this tragedy as they very well should
30:17
be is that I would strongly caution them
30:21
from making rash decisions just because
30:24
a good example would be 9/11 9/11 is a
30:27
prime example of a huge tragedy that
30:29
befell and affected all of us deeply and
30:31
in the response to that what did we end
30:35
up with we had the USA PATRIOT Act
30:37
rammed through within a matter of hours
30:40
we increased the size of the
30:42
surveillance state we increase the scope
30:45
of the federal government at the expense
30:47
of our civil liberties and we started to
30:50
engage in more warfare at which right
30:53
now we’re currently in Afghanistan
30:54
longer than we were in Vietnam and all
30:57
of that is a knee-jerk response to fear
31:00
we have to stop allowing fear to dictate
31:03
to us what we should do instead we need
31:06
to take pause you know permit ourselves
31:08
as a nation and as individuals to grieve
31:11
we should absolutely take time to feel
31:13
our feelings and grieve because it’s a
31:15
horrendous thing and it is heartbreaking
31:17
yeah absolutely we also should allow
31:19
those feelings
31:20
to be dealt with in a constructive
31:22
healthy way before we ever turn around
31:25
and try and make something of it because
31:28
I think that the solutions we would
31:30
create would end up being effectively a
31:31
immediate feel-good moment that has
31:34
becomes of the extraordinary expense of
31:36
everyone else’s natural rights
31:38
that’s my caution to anyone with respect
31:40
to this and it doesn’t change my opinion
31:43
on gun control
31:44
I am vehemently opposed to gun control
31:45
because I think that it’s important for
31:47
people to defend themselves and I think
31:49
events like this really drive home the
31:51
point how critical it is that we have
31:54
that direct capability ourselves because
31:56
we cannot expect our first responders to
31:58
be there and stop something like that
32:00
right that minute it would mitigate the
32:03
loss of life if people had access to
32:05
means of self-defense and if we actually
32:08
were able to do so so that’s that’s kind
32:11
of where we’re at and that’s sort of my
32:13
feeling on it you know take do feel bad
32:15
because it is horrible and take time to
32:18
feel bad grieve but don’t do anything
32:21
until you’ve had an opportunity to truly
32:23
think about it and the long-term
32:25
consequences of the decisions you make
32:27
here on out right yeah no I mean it when
32:30
you think about the fact that the the
32:34
the Dayton shooter was not able to kill
32:36
as many people because police were able
32:38
to take him down they were already right
32:40
there because he was in like a nightlife
32:41
district and they were able to take him
32:43
down and like less than a minute after
32:44
the shooting began it’s impossible for
32:46
armed police to be everywhere and and if
32:49
if we lived in that kind of reality
32:51
where armed police were always a minute
32:52
away I can assure you that’s not a world
32:54
you’d want to live in it’d be a very
32:56
scary place man so so you know to me
32:59
when I see these things I think how many
33:01
more of these things have to happen
33:02
before we don’t want before we start
33:06
advocating for fewer people to be
33:07
defenseless unfortunately that’s
33:09
obviously not how most people are
33:10
looking at it because that’s not how
33:12
they’ve been for lack of a better term
33:15
program to think about it
33:17
now as you know very often both in on
33:21
the right and the left of the I guess
33:23
authoritarian spectrum and in the
33:24
general public and at large
33:27
libertarianism has been a hard sell
33:29
often the the message of Liberty at time
33:33
has been a hard sell
33:34
how responsible I for that goodness the
33:42
fact that you bring levity to the
33:44
discussion is actually probably greater
33:46
than you know what you talked about with
33:48
the LPP
33:49
and in fact I kind of want to circle
33:50
back and discuss that if you don’t yeah
33:52
absolutely absolutely go ahead this
33:54
would be the time to talk about it yeah
33:56
I have a theory
33:57
that’s unsubstantiated it’s not been
33:59
through a peer review it’s never been
34:00
featured in a scholarly journal
34:02
therefore it’s probably not scientific
34:04
but I’m gonna roll with it anyway you
34:05
ready yes okay my theory is that because
34:09
we go through this intellectual journey
34:11
very few people start out as
34:12
libertarians but they go through this
34:14
intellectual journey where they see the
34:16
fraud waste and abuse its inherent in
34:18
the state and they reject it and they
34:20
come to this point where they realize oh
34:22
my goodness we are living in effectively
34:25
a soft tyranny and it’s not going to get
34:28
better it’s creepy to pilot Arianism and
34:30
it’s terrifying particularly if you have
34:33
children because then you’re like well
34:35
if it’s bad for me now how horrible is
34:37
it going to be for them there so there’s
34:38
this moral imperative we feel as
34:41
libertarians to do something about it
34:44
we’re terrified we’re scared we want to
34:46
make our world a better place and even
34:48
though ideally we would probably live by
34:50
ourselves and not really communicate
34:52
with anybody because at the end of it we
34:54
want to be left alone you lowly well we
34:57
are feel like we’re effectively forced
34:59
into getting into politics which we
35:02
despise to do something about these
35:05
things that terrify us but because of
35:08
the fact that it’s so urgent and dire
35:11
and terrifying and so many people seem
35:13
to reject what we say because it’s one
35:16
of my friends classified it as we’re
35:18
like Cassandra we can predict the future
35:19
but nobody believes what we say like we
35:22
see the writing on the wall but nobody’s
35:23
listening
35:24
and we keep saying what’s gonna happen
35:26
and it happens and we go
35:28
and it was like everyone’s like well we
35:30
got a vote we got a vote for for the
35:32
right person next time say no no no no
35:34
this is this yes but these are not the
35:36
right people that yet that we’re
35:38
referring to so yeah I know exactly
35:39
where we keep telling them and they’re
35:42
not listening yeah yeah they’re like
35:43
yeah no you were right about those eight
35:45
nine things back there but you’re told
35:48
long about Kratz to win so I’m gonna
35:51
double down and vote for this
35:52
knucklehead you’re like you’re not
35:56
helping together there comes that
35:58
frustration and that frustration is
36:00
naturally going to spill over and very
36:02
unhealthy ways and that sometimes
36:04
reflects itself and how we communicate
36:06
to others and each other because if you
36:09
know we’re so passionate and we’re
36:10
scared and we’re frustrated and we don’t
36:13
always handle it well that’s really what
36:15
it boils down to it’s not that we have a
36:16
personality disorder it’s that we we
36:19
have this urgency and this urgency is
36:22
not manifesting in the results that we
36:25
need to see in order to not feel
36:26
terrified by our government anymore
36:29
right yeah a little Yeley online yeah we
36:32
were economically conservative and
36:34
socially awkward we um so i i i i didn’t
36:38
coin that by the way i and we’re also
36:41
tend to be very unique individuals that
36:44
are very cerebral put it this way when i
36:47
was in school i was a little kid and my
36:49
teachers brought me i was a disciplinary
36:53
problem this was in the late 80s and my
36:55
my teachers brought my parents in and
36:58
said mister mr. cohen um we believe that
37:01
your son is retarded and and so and and
37:04
they said no i
37:05
they said no i don’t think that’s true
37:06
because he’s he’s pretty smart no no no
37:09
he’s definitely a retard and they say
37:10
we’re gonna give him a test to see where
37:11
he falls in our in our retard spectrum
37:14
and these were their words by the way
37:15
and i would never say this and so i i
37:18
took their their IQ test i scored the
37:21
absolute highest that one could score on
37:24
a on a and i test for for retards and
37:27
and so and so they said well okay then
37:30
our son okay and they said no no
37:32
actually no this is this is this is
37:33
we’re coming across this we’re gonna put
37:35
them in some class a class for very
37:37
smart retards and they now call that
37:39
honors classes and so this is a party
37:43
for what my teachers would have called
37:46
very smart retards and and and and and
37:48
the problem is if we want to get outside
37:50
of that this sort of knitting circle of
37:52
intellectualism we’ve created we have to
37:54
make connections that a lot of us we
37:56
just really don’t want to make with
37:58
normal people and and and and make those
38:01
connections
38:02
grow it into a movement that can effect
38:04
change um so no I’m right there with you
38:06
but I have no good segue for this but it
38:10
is time for me to talk about anchor hey
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39:01
something like something we could we
39:02
could sign off on um speaking of
39:04
podcasting your husband is Johnny Adams
39:08
better known as Johnny rocket that’s
39:10
right he is one of the people when I
39:12
started this podcast I’m like I hope my
39:14
shows as good as Johnny Rockets although
39:16
he’s got that really cool like kind of
39:19
gritty voice where as I sound like the
39:21
token Jewish news anchor on your local
39:23
program but now did you guys meet in the
39:26
Liberty movement or how did that happen
39:29
yeah we actually met because of his
39:31
podcast okay yeah he was the first
39:35
person to interview me after I announced
39:37
though yeah that’s how I met him and
39:39
then we just had such a stitch on the
39:41
radio that we kept talking afterward and
39:43
the rest is history
39:45
oh so y’all just got married yeah in
39:48
April oh wait how long have you been
39:51
running for president since July of last
39:54
year
39:55
oh wow so you’re okay that’s when I
39:58
started my show I was so enveloped in my
40:00
show for the first few months I didn’t
40:02
even it because I I think I first heard
40:03
of of you running earlier this year so
40:07
that’s very interesting so I have a
40:10
question which is very I wrote it which
40:13
is why it’s good a lot of my a viewer
40:16
I need a better Segway than that but a
40:18
lot of my viewers and listeners are
40:20
anarchists like us many of whom believe
40:23
that voting is violence in that
40:24
therefore we shouldn’t vote which is can
40:27
you know you’re an anarchist like me
40:29
it’s it’s a compelling message what is
40:32
your what is your message to them well
40:36
pretty much the reason why I am involved
40:39
in politics notwithstanding the fact
40:40
that I do want to effect change and I
40:43
this is the vehicle by which I do it is
40:46
that I recognize that we have a
40:48
defensive aspect to us being involved in
40:51
politics and we should look at voting as
40:53
a matter of being defensive you know I
40:56
know that it’s not ideal the system in
40:59
and of itself is aggressive and it’s
41:01
based on aggression which is the idea
41:03
that you as an individual can cast a
41:06
vote and if there’s a simple majority
41:08
then whatever will will be applied to
41:11
everyone equally
41:12
everybody yep right so the system in and
41:15
of itself is flawed because of that but
41:18
this is the existing system that we have
41:19
and while as much as I would love to say
41:22
we should opt out I think things like
41:24
Ruby Ridge and Waco are a lesser tip of
41:27
the fact that that’s not really
41:28
something the government is gonna let us
41:29
do so you have a choice you can either
41:31
opt out of voting and then just deal
41:34
with whatever that simple majority of
41:36
those who choose to vote give you or you
41:39
can vote defensively you can vote for a
41:41
candidate who actually represents what
41:43
you believe it
41:44
we were you can run for office yourself
41:45
you can vote for Harambee I mean that’s
41:48
a defensive measure what if he actually
41:50
got all those burgers what what did I
41:54
mean that’s my question like if he
41:56
actually got it what are you gonna do
41:59
yeah we tried to go and put his put his
42:05
paw on the Constitution cuz we voted for
42:07
this guy right oh man you know he
42:13
probably did more good in his brief sad
42:16
life than most of the people who’ve been
42:20
president of died what did you what did
42:22
he do wrong other than pull the kids
42:24
pants up after he fell nothing yeah
42:28
he’s straightened him out send him on
42:31
his way and they’re like you got ad I
42:33
brushed him off and say there you go in
42:34
the Navy then they kill him it’s yes we
42:37
can’t shoot the parents we’re gonna have
42:38
to kill the gorilla that’s you know but
42:46
no but that’s sadly I said that is truer
42:48
than I think any of us want to admit we
42:52
have a comment from Jimmy Mahaney who
42:54
said I was an official messaging
42:56
director for an LP candidate there’s a
42:58
line in marketing that people don’t buy
42:59
products they buy results but
43:01
libertarians keep trying to sell the
43:03
product which are the policies not the
43:05
result of those policies we keep winning
43:07
debates but have the worst marketing
43:10
department and winning debates is a
43:11
relative term when we get all the facts
43:14
right but everyone there hates us we won
43:19
but did we do we win or did we make a
43:22
bunch of enemies while demonstrating our
43:24
correctness to ourselves do you mean
43:26
like how we won in 2016 because we did
43:29
better than we did in 2012 like that
43:32
kind of winning I guess so victory we’re
43:37
like the great irony of being
43:39
libertarian like our whole the self
43:41
ownership and personal responsibility we
43:43
prize a system of meritocracy we want
43:46
the most successful people to indeed
43:48
achieve you know the folks that have the
43:51
greatest skills and capabilities to do
43:53
well and yet when it comes to our
43:55
politics like our actual performance as
43:57
a political party we’re like we did it
43:59
it’s very participation prize and it’s
44:02
so sad and weird like that’s not good
44:06
guy showed up yeah every a good job on
44:11
trying and there’s a lot of wonderful
44:12
people who worked very very hard on the
44:14
Johnson Wilde campaign not ever cast
44:17
aspersions on their efforts and
44:18
endeavors but to walk away from that and
44:21
then feel like we did well I joked with
44:24
a buddy of mine where I was like okay we
44:26
got like a million votes in 2012 we got
44:29
four million votes in 2016
44:32
that’s a 300% increase or four and a
44:35
percent increase if we just keep getting
44:36
like a 400% increase we’ll have this
44:38
little lock and well
44:41
three billion votes by the end of twenty
44:44
forty yet no I mean it it’s it’s it is
44:47
very participation trophy it’s very like
44:49
World’s Greatest Dad shirt after an
44:52
election like world’s greatest Liberty
44:54
we did the best of any libertarian
44:56
running and you know and also we’ve got
44:58
a trade war and you know concentration
45:01
camps on the border all right so I you
45:04
can you as a candidate can at least at
45:07
the very minimum convince just by your
45:10
rhetoric and passion and of course
45:12
you’re standing firm on what you believe
45:14
if you can at the very minimum convince
45:16
a Republican or a Democrat to start
45:19
parroting and employing those talking
45:21
points and bring it into the greater
45:23
cultural conversation now bat is
45:26
something to say you’ve achieved
45:28
that’s significant what do you think I
45:32
agree with all of that what do you think
45:34
this comes from our seeming desire to
45:39
find the newest failed Republican or
45:43
former Republican and throw them up on
45:47
the mantle and say this is our guy
45:49
because more people have heard of him
45:52
than us and you know and I have nothing
45:56
wrong with I have no problems with Gary
45:59
Johnson or Bob Barr or Justin Amash or
46:01
whatever but why like what where do you
46:05
think this comes from that we are like
46:07
so worried about a guy who in this case
46:11
probably wouldn’t win a primary in his
46:13
home district because he you know bashed
46:16
the de facto head of his former party as
46:19
opposed to finding someone like having
46:22
someone like you who’s an actual
46:25
libertarian who can actually articulate
46:27
libertarian beliefs in ideology and and
46:30
present a stark contrast from the – you
46:34
know heads of the duopoly of the of the
46:36
constant war and and and and and and
46:39
caging party where do you think that
46:43
comes from well I think this actually
46:45
kind of rolls back into our conversation
46:47
about the libertarian personality
46:49
disorder because of the fact that we do
46:52
recognize what’s going on and we are
46:54
tear
46:55
fight and we feel we have a moral
46:56
imperative to do something about it
46:57
there is kind of this desperation
46:59
inherent in that feeling where we need
47:03
to have we need to get whatever we can
47:05
to make a splash make a difference and
47:08
get that media attention get these
47:11
things done and drive it home and so
47:13
what a lot of people look at it like
47:15
well what’s what’s gonna get us media
47:17
attention well somebody who’s already
47:18
garnered media attention is gonna do
47:20
that what else is gonna be significant
47:22
or newsworthy well somebody who
47:24
previously held political office
47:25
regardless of the laws that they enacted
47:27
or how badly they liked so I think
47:32
that’s that’s kind of where it comes in
47:33
but the problem with that mentality and
47:35
this is this is the tough part because I
47:37
think that you know we do want to see
47:40
something significant happen right now
47:42
right if something’s got to change
47:43
that’s a fact we don’t realize that this
47:46
is a marathon and not a sprint all of
47:49
this is a marathon and not a sprint we
47:51
did not get government to this level
47:53
overnight and in order to roll it back
47:55
and to get it truly to a point where we
47:57
can start talking about not just talking
48:00
about but actually engaging in a
48:01
stateless society it’s gonna take a long
48:03
time it’s like weight loss it’s a battle
48:06
of attrition and knowing that we need to
48:09
be able to hunker down and hold out
48:11
longer and we have to have people who
48:13
are legitimately decent standard bearers
48:16
doing so right because if you do if we
48:19
try to get the immediate results but at
48:21
the expense of what we believe and again
48:23
that’s another we’ve achieved nothing so
48:26
that’s really because the problem that
48:27
we’re experiencing it’s not a marathon
48:29
it or it’s on a sprint it is a marathon
48:31
but yet when you think of I mean this
48:33
time in 2015
48:35
Donald Trump was polling at like 3% so a
48:39
lot of stuff can happen running even in
48:43
a third party obviously the main point
48:45
of running for any office but especially
48:47
as president as a libertarian obviously
48:49
you want to win if you do not win you
48:52
can do you can at least use earned media
48:55
to push the message of libertarianism
48:57
which 99% of people have not really
49:00
heard they’ve heard of libertarians but
49:02
then they see libertarians as you know
49:05
boomer former Republicans who smoke a
49:07
lot of weed
49:08
and don’t know the capitals of countries
49:10
that were bombing and and again that’s
49:14
not a dispersion against city that
49:16
wasn’t any that wasn’t anyone no no I
49:18
wasn’t saying you I’m saying like the
49:21
people that we’ve been that wasn’t about
49:23
another way I wasn’t talking about
49:25
anyone in particular there uh but I mean
49:27
instead of doing that you could use that
49:30
earned media to actually push actual
49:32
libertarianism and you could even get if
49:35
you don’t win get a big enough number in
49:37
the polling to force the Democrat and
49:40
Republican candidates to add libertarian
49:43
positions to their platform and
49:45
potentially even add it to their actual
49:48
policy prescriptions if they get elected
49:50
and you don’t you know take a page from
49:53
the progressives who figured out a
49:54
hundred years ago that it doesn’t matter
49:56
which party wins as long as we just keep
49:59
creeping forward with what we want they
50:01
don’t look at it as a sprint they’re
50:03
okay with Donald Trump getting as much
50:05
they pretend not to if Donald Trump gets
50:07
re-elected that’s fine so long as he
50:08
keeps pushing stuff that was you know
50:10
the standard Democrat talking points 50
50:13
ten fifteen twenty years ago they’re
50:14
fine with that and and we need to adopt
50:17
that same thing having a Kim rough or a
50:19
you know any of the other candidates by
50:21
the way we’re not officially endorsing
50:23
anyone but I really like this one um but
50:26
but no endorsement not an endorsement um
50:28
but uh at least not yet to have someone
50:33
like you running who yes you could you
50:37
could win you could win as much as
50:38
anyone else can if you do not win you
50:40
could at least be a face for
50:42
libertarianism that the vast majority of
50:44
Americans have never been exposed to why
50:46
we would do that instead of looking at a
50:49
guy who’s not running for president and
50:51
not running as a libertarian and
50:53
throwing our panties out am I going
50:55
Justin please Justin can you hear I love
50:59
you and he’s not even he’s like a he’s a
51:02
Liberty adjacent conservative which is
51:04
fine but I don’t get him yeah I would
51:11
like it if people through their panties
51:12
at me that’s the real if I had known
51:17
bummed me out sock I got I could throw
51:27
this is the most undergarment I have
51:29
right now I apologize but if I had had
51:32
for thought I would have gotten like a
51:33
bra from the closet or something and my
51:36
wife’s bra to be clear exactly like Tom
51:41
Jones you’re that you’re the Elvis
51:43
Presley of libertarianism so so I’m dead
51:47
you’re saying you’re that no
51:49
you’reyou’re the 19 you’re the thin
51:52
Elvis from the 50s and 60s that we all
51:54
grew up to while I was I wasn’t alive
51:56
yet but that our parents grow up to love
51:58
this analogy is not going well oh okay
52:01
but yes I love what you had to say
52:03
everything that you had to say because
52:04
that’s one of the things I was talk
52:06
about is you know you look at the way
52:08
that the Socialists did they tried to be
52:10
very forefront in politics at the turn
52:12
of the 20th century and then when that
52:14
didn’t yield the results they wanted
52:16
what they said they did was they
52:17
infiltrated academia unions the you know
52:21
the legal system they went to all these
52:23
other areas and started to push those
52:25
ideas that way and then that became part
52:27
of the larger cultural conversation and
52:29
that manifested in a socio-political sea
52:31
change that is how we got to this point
52:34
so I always tell people it’s like Fred
52:36
Astaire and Ginger Rogers we’re gonna do
52:37
everything they did backwards and in
52:39
heels that’s effectively what we’re
52:41
trying to do you have to trim it back
52:42
you’ve got to roll it back and you you
52:44
can absolutely take a page from your
52:46
PlayBook the other thing is is that in
52:48
the era of the internet and social media
52:50
the game is it’s changed it’s not the
52:53
same as it used to be I mean you know
52:55
media at all but one of the things that
52:57
we talk about a lot in media is with
52:59
respect to when we went from radio to
53:01
television and how that changed the
53:03
debate because you know a really prime
53:05
example that’s often trotted out is the
53:06
debate between John F Kennedy and
53:09
Richard Nixon and Nixon how they look at
53:11
yep yep right you listen to it on the
53:13
radio Nix it had it on lockdown you
53:15
watched on TV well JFK with that weird
53:17
disease that he had looks very swarthy
53:19
like he’d been in Bermuda and just came
53:21
in off of the golf course
53:23
whereas Nixon didn’t have anybody put
53:25
any makeup on him and then he was like
53:27
sweating and looked uncomfortable so
53:29
this is something that they had to pivot
53:31
politically and adjust you
53:36
wait wait wait what disease oh goodness
53:41
I don’t know what it’s called but if you
53:42
if you google it you’ll you’ll find out
53:44
he had some sort of a I think it was a
53:46
fitness I don’t know if I’d have to look
53:49
it up I’ll let you know later but yeah
53:50
thank you
53:51
he’s that made his skin look that
53:55
bronzed so that’s quite a disease to
53:59
have yeah right well it actually it a
54:02
bunch of other aspects to it as well
54:04
like Rove just random facts for you just
54:07
random things I know did not know that
54:09
yeah it’s dead now I don’t remember how
54:14
but yes he’s since passed anyway disease
54:22
anyway my point is they had to adjust
54:26
they had to pivot in that age of
54:28
television right and now the same thing
54:30
can be said about social media and
54:31
that’s something that’s gonna make it
54:32
fundamentally different Trump was
54:34
successful not just because he had an
54:37
assist from things like Cambridge
54:38
analytical but also because of the fact
54:40
that he exploited social media that’s a
54:42
huge way of getting out to people and
54:45
Grant said he also exploited the least
54:47
common denominator which is like you
54:49
know hysterical racism and bigotry and
54:52
inflated on beer he played on fear and
54:55
turned it into those he weaponized it
54:57
into those things right but it got
55:00
people out the door and at the pole and
55:03
so we have to absolutely look at those
55:06
successes as much as we dislike them and
55:09
see what worked for them I would
55:12
strongly recommend people not put out
55:14
hysterically racist content or racist
55:17
content at all like even if it was just
55:19
like low-key racist like don’t do it not
55:21
a hysterical racist content yeah you
55:23
take advantage of social media take
55:25
advantage of word-of-mouth get that
55:27
information out and we can of course do
55:29
the same thing documentarians to you
55:30
which is you can if you’ve ever seen the
55:33
formula for a documentary it’s very
55:34
basic which is for the first you know
55:36
ninety minutes of the documentary they
55:38
scare the bejesus out of you about
55:40
whatever issue like oh my god the honey
55:42
bees are going away or whatever the
55:44
situation is and then the last 30
55:46
minutes they’re like now here’s what you
55:47
can do at home you can recycle glass
55:50
it has bupkis to do with honeybees but
55:52
it’s the feel-good thing it gives them
55:53
people some hope it gives them something
55:55
to do right and they’re totally whatever
55:58
we do you know our own messaging in our
56:00
campaign because we get asked a lot of
56:03
questions about what do you think about
56:05
some state or local law right and
56:07
there’s like I can’t do anything about
56:08
that this is federal office this is I
56:11
have nothing to do with that I can talk
56:13
about these things on a federal level
56:15
I cannot enforce those things if they’re
56:17
on a federal level but here’s what you
56:19
can do at home you can you know whether
56:22
it’s work on a referendum a recall or
56:24
initiative you can write your legislator
56:26
you can work with a an NGO or a
56:28
non-profit to put forward legislation
56:30
and there’s a billion things you can do
56:32
at home if this is something you care
56:35
about and that’s our documentary end you
56:38
know government is terrible government
56:40
is scary we live in a soft tyranny we’re
56:42
marching towards totalitarianism but
56:44
here’s what you here’s what you can do
56:46
yeah
56:47
we’ve got a lot of comments for people
56:48
that are legitimately worried about the
56:50
bees by the way so you might want to add
56:52
up yeah it’s actually
56:55
sorry random fact but because of the
56:58
fact that honeybees have gone away we
56:59
actually are at the point where you have
57:01
scientists who are going to have to
57:02
basically go and inseminate you no good
57:07
god how can I not think of this word
57:08
pollinate pollinate plants to ensure
57:11
that they continue to thrive so is it’s
57:13
actually pretty horrible what’s going on
57:14
with the honeybees it has nothing to do
57:16
with recycling plastic though coming
57:18
soon the B plank of the rough Phillips
57:22
campaign um so I have if you if you call
57:28
it that
57:28
I will endorse you on our very next
57:30
episode um if you have a thing called
57:32
plan B EE and and it’s like a detailed
57:35
libertarian thing I can’t not endorse
57:38
you at that point about something
57:41
maritime related just do a whole thing
57:44
plan D is like oh I could go so many
57:47
places nothing there’s nothing so so
57:55
circa needs love we’re gonna give
57:58
America that D and here’s what you can
58:00
do so I wanted to
58:03
ask you because I know I’ve got I think
58:05
about maybe 15-20 minutes left is that
58:07
correct with you yes okay so I wanted to
58:11
ask you your opinion I don’t even know
58:12
if you have an opinion on this I’ve read
58:14
what I’m told is a hit piece and watched
58:16
a little bit of a clip so I’m not fully
58:18
sure what was going on do you have much
58:20
of an opinion to give on this
58:21
libertarian party LNC Knicks are work
58:25
$75 an hour thing like IIIi I’ve gotten
58:30
so many conflicting reports that I don’t
58:32
even know what to think do you really
58:33
have a strong opinion one way or the
58:35
other on oh honey I have opinions on
58:37
everything oh do i yeah I got opinions
58:43
on everything um sure I mean I
58:45
absolutely do have an opinion on it but
58:48
out of respect for all the individuals
58:50
involved and the fact that my running
58:51
mate is a sitting member of the LMC as
58:53
is my husband I have chosen to abstain
58:56
from vocalizing any of those opinions
58:58
because I think it’s important to keep
59:00
it separated okay yeah no problem no
59:02
problem and like I said we are not
59:03
really banging the drum one way or the
59:05
other I listen to and read and watch to
59:09
know from like yeah I’m not fully sure
59:12
what happened here but I’m not I’m not
59:14
active enough in the LNC to really you
59:16
know agitate one way or the other so
59:17
I’ve made I made peace with it um so we
59:20
have some questions from our followers
59:22
before we go to our lightning round
59:23
which is going to do yeah
59:26
lightning round final my fellow
59:28
Americans we call it so a few questions
59:32
from followers number one what would you
59:34
say are the three worst things that
59:37
Trump has done while in office if you
59:40
had to pick the first the top three re
59:43
worse things there’s just so many the
59:47
cornucopia of bad things yeah terrible
59:53
things I use the French word I’m not
59:56
sure correct
59:57
that’s classic it’s still it sounded
59:59
classy if nothing else it sounded
60:01
classroom I would say one of the things
60:04
that really stands out in my mind and
60:05
actually I’ve discussed this a couple
60:07
times because when we were discussing
60:08
the Moller report you know was the whole
60:10
conversation was happening on social
60:11
media and beyond
60:13
a lot of people were saying well he
60:14
needs to be impeached and in the case of
60:16
the Moller report
60:17
that whole thing says that okay there
60:19
may not have been a crime but he may
60:22
have obstructed our ability to
60:24
investigate this non crime that’s not an
60:27
impeachable offense however if you do
60:29
want to impeach the president what you
60:31
could do is go after him for continuing
60:33
the unconstitutional war in Yemen that’s
60:35
a totally impeachable offense that’s a
60:38
good one you know of course in order to
60:39
do that you would also have to go after
60:41
Obama because he’s the one who started
60:43
it so that’s something that is
60:45
incredibly horrible that he’s done is
60:48
continuing to perpetuate this war in
60:51
fact we have I think nine active Wars if
60:53
you include advisors and drone strikes
60:55
going on not just Afghanistan and Iran
60:58
so yeah I would say those are our
61:00
terrible things that he’s done the
61:02
sabre-rattling BS that was going on with
61:05
Iran was incredibly irresponsible
61:08
I think that was a an awful thing that
61:10
he was doing now all of us of course who
61:12
are barely you know vaguely well-versed
61:15
on or in history recognized the fact
61:18
that things like the Gulf of Tonkin and
61:19
the Lusitania and other events have been
61:22
you know either they didn’t happen at
61:25
all or they did happen but the extent to
61:28
which was greatly overblown in order to
61:31
justify warfare and it’s just from a
61:34
libertarian perspective it’s just so
61:36
superficially obvious what’s going on
61:38
that you’re like how is anybody like
61:40
thinking this is the real thing
61:42
boats being attacked engulfs like it’s
61:47
just the standard go to it’s like cards
61:49
against humanity’ they throw out both
61:51
being attacked engulfs and then you know
61:52
go on but they just keep they just keep
61:57
using the same Madlib for like the last
61:59
120 years boats being attacked engulfs
62:02
we have to do it so it’s so true because
62:07
it’s not really something that’s
62:08
substantiate it you know you if you have
62:10
a land conflict you know if somebody
62:12
drops a bomb there’s obviously going to
62:14
be fallout you know you have things to
62:16
substantiate evidence to prove that but
62:19
in case of you know something happened
62:21
on the Seas that’s a little bit more
62:23
difficult to do a post of a post event
62:26
and try and find that evidence so
62:28
exactly
62:30
highly irresponsible of him to allow
62:32
that to occur the other aspect that I
62:35
would say that is really irresponsible
62:37
of him is in acting all these tariffs
62:39
and you can see that negatively
62:41
impacting people just on their day to
62:43
day I was just saying last night that
62:45
when we were in Massachusetts had gone
62:47
out to lunch with my campaign director
62:48
and the our waiter told us if you want
62:52
avocado it’s gonna cost you like five
62:53
dollars for an avocado because just
62:57
because the tariffs it’s so much more
62:58
difficult to get these things imported
63:00
right that’s a very very small example
63:02
and I can extrapolate how that affects
63:04
manufacturing because that’s the
63:06
industry I work in but because of
63:08
tariffs we have a situation where we
63:09
can’t get the goods or services that we
63:11
want we have other countries that are
63:13
being punitive with us and trying to
63:15
negatively impact our industries and of
63:17
course we’re preventing us from growing
63:19
economically because whether we like it
63:21
or not the idea of by American only news
63:25
American is a myth at this point and
63:27
we’re an international economy so that
63:30
is another thing I just I’m
63:31
flabbergasted by that one on some of his
63:34
political stuff I’m like well he’s not a
63:35
politician maybe he just doesn’t know
63:38
where his office ends and you know the
63:40
rest of the world begins but on the
63:42
stuff is regards business I’m like how
63:44
irresponsible
63:45
well were you ever successful and if you
63:48
look at the track record his successes
63:50
are largely built on bankruptcy
63:52
restructuring and then doing it again
63:55
with a handout so he’ll he’s yeah he’s
63:58
not a bad person per se I don’t think
64:01
that he’s an evil incarnate but he’s
64:02
done quite a lot of really illogical
64:05
harmful things okay do you find the
64:10
labeling of the migrant detention
64:12
detention facilities on the border as
64:15
concentration camps to be an accurate
64:17
label yes yes absolutely
64:21
anytime you inter somebody um you know
64:24
in definitely the state is responsible
64:27
for keeping people you know interred fur
64:30
indefinitely yeah absolutely that’s a
64:32
concentration camp you can gussy it up
64:34
in any other term you want to but it is
64:36
what it is whether we’re doing it to the
64:38
Japanese during World War two or it was
64:40
done to the Jews during the Holocaust
64:42
yes
64:44
it’s still the same thing you’re forcing
64:45
people to live in effectively a ghetto
64:48
indefinitely because they’re doing
64:50
something you’d beam unacceptable right
64:53
yeah so the history lesson here for
64:55
those who disagree with this and you’re
64:56
wrong is that in the nineteen camps to
65:01
be called concentration camp and
65:02
concentration camps in German I think
65:04
that’s I think that’s German was in the
65:06
1920s prior to the Holocaust story or
65:08
even Hitler it was to house refugee Jews
65:12
that were seeking asylum from the
65:14
genocide the pogroms in Russia so they
65:17
were called concentration camps they
65:18
were not part of the Holocaust or any
65:20
genocide they were there to basically
65:22
create tough conditions for refugees to
65:25
deter them from coming which is exactly
65:28
what’s happening on the southern border
65:29
right now so it is a very I just want to
65:31
get your opinion on that before telling
65:32
you the correct opinion um
65:34
do you consider yourself a feminist
65:37
these are interesting questions for my
65:38
followers yeah actually these are these
65:42
are very enjoyable mmm yes I do consider
65:44
myself a feminist but my feminism is
65:47
nowhere near what the third and fourth
65:49
and whatever the hell is going on wave
65:51
weighty 72 mention wave feminism yes
65:55
like the waves keep coming yeah my the
66:02
way that I classify my feminism is
66:04
strictly a matter of recognizing that
66:07
women just like every other individual
66:09
are endowed with the natural rights to
66:11
life liberty and just the acquired
66:12
property proper be property being
66:14
defined as your body in the fruits of
66:16
your labor you have every right to do
66:18
with it as you see fit provided of
66:20
course you don’t infringe on the rights
66:21
of others that is something that you
66:24
know regardless of gender or sex or
66:26
religion or create or any other aspect
66:29
that could subdivide us we are all
66:32
endowed with these natural rights so as
66:34
a feminist my perspective is is that you
66:36
know just because we’re women doesn’t
66:38
mean we should be denied the same amount
66:41
of respect for those natural rights if
66:43
somebody infringes on them they should
66:44
be held as equally accountable where
66:46
it’s unto a man and if we violate
66:48
somebody’s rights we should be held
66:49
equally accountable as were we a man so
66:52
that’s really where my feminism is is
66:55
legitimate equality and it should be
66:57
clear
66:57
on equality because this is something
66:59
that’s oftentimes misunderstood there’s
67:00
two types of equality there’s negative
67:02
equality you know that concept of
67:05
equality of opportunity and then there’s
67:08
equality of outcome which would be the
67:09
positive equality one where society
67:11
somehow has this duty to provide these
67:13
things for you ensure that you all end
67:15
up with the same thing now I reject
67:18
equality of outcome I prefer like the
67:21
only equality that’s acceptable to me as
67:23
a feminist is equality of opportunity
67:25
which is I should be able to achieve to
67:28
the extent of my capabilities my
67:30
knowledge skills and abilities right and
67:32
have any sort of limitations to those in
67:35
the same token though I should not have
67:37
any handicaps afforded me or handouts or
67:39
assists like I should be able to do it
67:42
based strictly on my own merit and if
67:44
I’m good at what I do I should be
67:46
rewarded measure it to that and that’s
67:48
something I’ll negotiate with my
67:49
business you know the business owner and
67:51
if I’m not good at it then I shouldn’t
67:53
have that opportunity it’s that simple
67:55
you know so and I think a lot of women
67:57
actually do feel that way because
67:58
there’s something very frustrating about
68:00
those kind of Equal Opportunity laws
68:03
that are put forward to give women
68:05
effectively you know like title nine or
68:06
whatever they give us that handicap that
68:08
leg up and that handout it’s offensive
68:11
and paternalistic that’s actually the
68:13
great irony is like there’s nothing more
68:15
like just insulting to our character
68:19
yeah it’s very misogynistic that you
68:21
need this thing you know right if you’re
68:23
gonna do as well as the boys then you
68:25
know you’re gonna need this this you
68:26
know as handicapped assistance you write
68:29
on an interpreter on a deep level on an
68:33
emotional level it’s actually incredibly
68:35
destructive to your concept of
68:37
self-worth because you don’t actually
68:39
know if what you achieved was done
68:41
because you were legitimately good at it
68:44
or if because somebody was just cutting
68:46
you some a favor
68:47
you know in this same token you like you
68:49
want to be able to own your successes
68:51
and you want to be able to own your
68:52
failures that’s the ideal experience for
68:55
anybody so that’s where I come from as a
68:58
feminist but when it starts to get into
69:00
this we’re better than we need greater
69:01
consideration men are dirt all that
69:04
other nonsense I’m out I want nothing to
69:07
do with that silliness and no
69:09
affirmative action for chicks
69:11
that’s how I put it yeah
69:16
ruff-ruff philips 20/20 so we got a lot
69:18
of comments from people you know like
69:20
all outraged about the whole avocado
69:22
thing that you know what let’s make
69:25
something clear something like half of
69:27
all the goods that you as an American
69:29
consume are either imported from Mexico
69:31
or contain at least one component that
69:35
was imported from Mexico and I think if
69:37
you add things that are made with things
69:40
that have components that are imported
69:41
from Mexico the number goes up even
69:43
higher yeah it is impossible in the
69:46
economy that we live in in the world
69:49
that the quality of life we’ve created
69:52
for ourselves to expect to get well
69:55
priced easily available goods and
69:58
services across the entire spectrum of
70:00
goods goods and services within the 48
70:03
states and Alaska and Hawaii and
70:05
especially when you’re looking at your
70:06
immediate neighbors like Mexico Canada
70:09
the Caribbean and then yes also China
70:12
it’s impossible not to need them for
70:16
that and if you really want to not need
70:18
them for that or need them less then you
70:20
push for deregulation within our
70:21
domestic market so that our our small
70:24
businesses and manufacturers aren’t
70:26
priced out of the market anyway that’s a
70:28
whole lot that I can do a whole episode
70:30
about that everyone because this is
70:34
something that’s very interesting and
70:35
you know in amongst the many things that
70:38
are of interest to me just generally
70:39
industrial farming is that is something
70:41
that’s of interest to me so I’ve watched
70:43
a lot of documentaries write a lot of
70:44
books about it one of the things is that
70:45
we because of the fact that we have that
70:47
supermarket and we are very divorced
70:49
from our food we have been taught to
70:52
expect to have certain foods around all
70:55
the time you know oranges citrus only
70:58
really is edible in wintertime and you
71:02
know like peaches are summertime that’s
71:04
like these are there are times where
71:05
these things are seasonally available
71:07
but because we have an international
71:09
economy we’re able to have people on the
71:12
other side of the Equator send us stuff
71:15
that’s blooming for their seasons so
71:17
that we do have that luxury of eating
71:19
all these things that we want to eat
71:21
year-round so unless you’re getting you
71:23
want to get really
71:24
comfortable with only eating with the
71:27
seasons in your backyard and believe you
71:29
me is somebody who lives in Arizona
71:31
where we have cliche soil and you can’t
71:33
grow hardly anything exactly you know
71:37
you want to have that variability and
71:40
dynamism in your diet then yeah
71:42
absolutely you want to have an
71:44
international economy right so final
71:46
question I agree under percent the final
71:48
question from the follower and then
71:49
we’re gonna go to final my fellow
71:51
Americans do you believe an tyfa is a
71:55
terrorist organization these were some
71:57
compelling questions by the way to my
71:58
followers I appreciate your your
72:00
questions the second time I’ve been
72:04
asked this am I really okay yeah it’s
72:07
funny because I’m like there’s nothing I
72:09
can do about that as somebody running
72:11
for president um well I think any group
72:15
that engages in violent acts against
72:18
others strictly because of a difference
72:20
in ideology as opposed to a matter of
72:24
self-defense could definitely qualified
72:26
thusly
72:26
but in order to label them thusly I have
72:29
to say that they would be treated that
72:32
way in the criminal justice system and I
72:35
don’t know that that’s appropriate I
72:36
would much rather it be on a individual
72:38
by individual case-by-case basis so if
72:41
there’s a person who happens to be a
72:43
member of an Tifa and then does some
72:45
violence against another then they
72:46
should absolutely be held accountable
72:47
for that and he as a whole just like
72:51
neo-nazis as a whole yes you can have
72:53
crazy-ass ideas that’s fine that’s the
72:56
reality about living in a world with
72:58
some modicum of freedom but if it kind
73:01
of fests and you harming other people
73:03
than you as an individual need to be
73:04
held accountable so that’s kind of where
73:06
I’m on that and I don’t think that it’s
73:08
fair to say that just because this is a
73:10
hate group or a terrorist group or any
73:12
other label you want to assign to it
73:13
that their violence is somehow worse
73:17
then we’re the same violence perpetrated
73:20
by just some blowed Joe Blow for
73:22
whatever reason right like if murder is
73:25
murder is murder regardless a soul is
73:28
assault is assault yep yep right so
73:31
doesn’t make it somehow worse because it
73:33
was antifa it’s just it’s murder
73:36
you know
73:38
yeah absolutely yeah no it kind of it’s
73:40
the same thing as like hate crime
73:42
legislation crimes of violence or if
73:44
it’s done because you hate the person or
73:47
because you didn’t want them in your way
73:48
or cuz you wanted their shoes and you
73:50
wanted to take their like you’ve
73:51
committed a crime you’ve harmed someone
73:54
that’s what matters not your intent
73:56
behind it but I saw no I agree
73:58
and also the hypocrisy of us you know
74:00
talking about you know individuals using
74:03
violence for political aims when that’s
74:05
the entire basis of the state but that’s
74:08
a whole other subject yeah
74:10
so this that’s a that’s that’s nice
74:12
uniforms exactly if you know it Chifa if
74:16
you really want to get on your game you
74:17
gotta you gotta write on on
74:18
fancy-looking brown sheets of paper and
74:20
you gotta get some nice badges and stuff
74:22
and make it make it look nice make it
74:23
look legit
74:24
epaulettes you know yeah exactly yeah
74:27
get some different badges and make sure
74:29
everyone has the same uniformity and
74:31
everything then we’ll be getting
74:32
somewhere so this is final my fellow
74:35
Americans which I literally just started
74:36
calling that now um where I’m going to
74:39
ask you a question
74:42
we’re gonna give you 30 seconds and what
74:44
a way that this question goes is I’m
74:46
going to name each of the libertarian
74:49
presidential candidates and you’re going
74:52
to tell me the first Simpsons character
74:55
that pops into your mind now and so and
74:59
so
75:01
no offense anyone and so we’re gonna put
75:04
30 seconds on the clock and start now
75:07
Adam Koch
75:09
oh my god it’s been so long since I
75:14
watch The Simpsons I kind of want to
75:16
just call it everybody here’s a
75:17
libertarian comic-book guy that’s ideal
75:22
Arvind Bora dad I really like him I
75:28
don’t even want to insult them Ben
75:31
letter leader it is so I guess to some
75:43
extent I would say maybe Bart Simpson
75:45
because he likes to he’s a bit of a
75:47
rebel and he says incendiary things I
75:49
actually I tend to agree with that the
75:53
answer we actually had here okay answer
75:56
is they’re all comic book guy we’ll see
76:07
that’s what it Wilson will say that’s
76:09
what I wrote I actually I just want to
76:11
get your opinion on who which Simpsons
76:13
character you are oh I feel like Marge
76:18
Simpson although I do really mean Ralph
76:25
Wiggum so maybe to some extent I’m him
76:27
where I’m like I would not of that group
76:32
I would not call you the Ralph Wickham’s
76:34
but but but fair enough
76:40
so those things wouldn’t cut butter so
76:50
no I actually like no go ahead bad about
76:55
this where I was saying that um I always
76:58
think of that band performance where
76:59
they’re like on saxophone
77:01
Lisa Simpson on triangle Martin Prince
77:03
and with a flute up his nose Ralph
77:06
Wiggum
77:11
that’s the libertarian debate is
77:13
everyone was flutes up there no that is
77:16
funny um so I I had a friend who she she
77:21
was devastated over the weekend she
77:23
would use one
77:23
those internet things that asked her
77:25
what her fate what Flintstone character
77:27
she was and it told her she was Peggy
77:29
slaghoople
77:32
Peggy slaghoople which is I don’t know
77:36
who that is I’m not sure that that’s a
77:38
real character but that has been she was
77:40
sure she was Betty Rubble and she was
77:42
not she was Peggy slaghoople so at least
77:52
[Laughter]
77:57
exactly I’m Peggy slack I didn’t know so
78:01
I know he’s gone over over time with you
78:03
I really appreciate you coming on Kim
78:05
thank you so much for coming on tonight
78:07
and before I let you go I just want to
78:10
give you a chance to give your final
78:12
thoughts
78:13
anything you want to promote anything
78:14
that you feel like you didn’t get a
78:16
chance to talk about any anything you’d
78:19
like to well obviously I want to promote
78:21
your presidential campaign anything you
78:22
want to say as long as you want Kim
78:24
rough the floor is yours okay well I
78:31
think probably what I would like to say
78:33
most right now is thank you to you and
78:35
everyone else who’s been gracious enough
78:37
to invite me on to their podcasts and
78:39
their radio shows and their their web
78:41
cast to be able to talk about these
78:43
things and spend some time with you it
78:45
really means a lot and that’s actually a
78:46
critical aspect of our campaign is
78:49
getting the word out you guys are
78:51
contributing in your own way shape and
78:53
form by allowing me the opportunity to
78:55
use your show as a platform so I very
78:57
much appreciate that additionally one of
78:59
the things that I say a lot about this
79:01
campaign is notwithstanding the fact
79:03
that we are focused on being anti-war
79:06
opening up the marketplace and of course
79:08
criminal justice reform is the fact that
79:10
this is a really a matter of all hands
79:12
on deck
79:13
I know that it is difficult and
79:15
frustrating and there are things that
79:16
scare you about the world that we live
79:18
in and you want to do something about it
79:20
and there is absolutely something you
79:21
can do about it you can do something
79:23
whether you work for our campaign or
79:25
Joanie you can do something by getting
79:27
the word out having a conversation with
79:29
your friends and neighbors about these
79:30
issues and making sure that they
79:31
understand what’s going on is usually
79:33
important starting your own media
79:35
company contributing to somebody else’s
79:37
media
79:37
company getting involved with
79:39
organizations all around doing things on
79:42
a local and state level that is a
79:44
response to and in place of government
79:46
programs is another way that you can
79:48
contribute and make our world better so
79:51
even if you can’t change the world
79:52
overnight and we can’t you can
79:55
absolutely change your world by doing
79:57
positive actions in your own backyard
79:59
with your family and your neighbors so I
80:02
strongly encourage everybody to do that
80:03
and if they’re interested in finding out
80:05
more about our campaign you can check us
80:07
out at ruff Phillips 20/20 dot-com again
80:11
that’s ruff Phillips 2020 comm my name
80:14
is Kim ruff and I am seeking the
80:15
Libertarian Party nomination for
80:17
president in 2020 and I am spike Cohen
80:20
and I endorsed that overarching message
80:22
I and all of her site and everything
80:26
else is on our Twitter and Facebook is
80:28
in the show notes so be sure to check
80:29
that out guys Kim thank you again so
80:32
much stick around I’m going to talk to
80:33
you just briefly before the outro I
80:34
really appreciate your patience on all
80:36
this um guys thank you again for joining
80:38
us right here on my fellow Americans by
80:40
the way everyone seems Kim to think that
80:42
you’re some kind of hybrid between Marg
80:45
and Lisa that’s good I I see that I
80:49
totally see that so guys thank you again
80:51
for tuning in to my fellow Americans
80:53
this has been a great episode be sure to
80:55
tune in tomorrow Thursday night for the
80:58
writer’s block with Matt Wright he is
81:01
interviewing someone amazing you’re not
81:05
gonna believe who it is it’s gonna tune
81:07
in for a surprise guest to me for Matt
81:10
right on the writer’s block for tomorrow
81:12
night at probably 8:00 and then on
81:15
Friday shabbat shalom it’s Jason Lyon
81:18
who is back for mr. America the bearded
81:20
truth finally and and then have a great
81:24
weekend and then next Monday mr. America
81:28
the beard of truth for his non Shabbat
81:29
his Monday his week beginner episode and
81:32
then tune in next Tuesday for the muddy
81:36
waters of freedom where Matt Wright and
81:38
I parsed through the week’s events with
81:41
the cheerfulness of a of a of a young
81:43
summer boy and then tune in next
81:46
Wednesday but it would like summer boy
81:50
it’s just
81:51
a sweet summer boy you got it if you
81:54
want to know what it is you tune in next
81:56
Tuesday for the money bars of freedom
81:58
and you too will experience its sweet
82:00
some just tune it that’s that’s it’s not
82:04
that’s not plan D by the way um and so
82:07
next Wednesday then next Wednesday if
82:15
I’m if the FCC hasn’t somehow taken over
82:18
the internet just to shut my show down I
82:20
will be here for a brand new spanking
82:23
summer boy episode of my fellow
82:25
Americans I’m gonna stop saying summer
82:26
boy now thank you again for tuning in
82:30
and god bless you
82:33
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Spike Cohen
Spike Cohen
Local Jew. Contrarian stoic sentimentalist. Antidisestablishmentarianism. Will pet your dog.