(((My Fellow Americans))) #45: Igniting Brushfires with Kim Ruff

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absolutely amazing human being she has
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been very active in the Liberty movement
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a libertarian a household name if you
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household she would be a name in it for
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States her platform is absolutely
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on without further ado my faux Americans
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please join me in welcoming to the show
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madam future President Kim ruff
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Kim thank you so much for coming thank
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you so much for having me on no I know I
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was trying to keep it straight while I
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was here you like laughing the whole
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time so I appreciate that but I’m not
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gonna say that I was that I’m jealous
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that you were on Matt’s show the
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writer’s block first before mine I am
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going to say that as soon as you guys
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signed off I was in your DMS requesting
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that you be on my show and also that I
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cried a little so in my DMS actually
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that’s right yeah looks like crying
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emojis would you like to be on my show
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and you’re like sure I guess so so thank
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you thank you for buying my my my
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desperate person shtick it worked for my
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wife too so it’s been a good thing I’ve
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had a good run with it so thank you and
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guys be guys be sure to comment with
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your with your thoughts and questions
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and Kim and I will tell you if you are
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right or wrong
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now Kim this is your first time on the
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show and whenever I have a guest on for
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the first time the first question I
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always ask is what brought you to
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libertarianism would you say it was kind
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of an aha moment or a gradual evolution
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tell us about that I think in my case it
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was more of a gradual evolution it was a
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conflation of factors I was raised
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Republican we live in Arizona and so
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that’s very much a Barry Goldwater
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Republican state right and so I kind of
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came from
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that meant very much of the free-market
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mindset and then after 9/11 and just
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watching the excuses used to increase
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the amount of power vested in the
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federal government warrantless
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wiretapping with the USA PATRIOT Act
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suspension of habeas corpus for declared
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terrorists and then of course invasions
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in Iraq and Afghanistan that turned me
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off from the GOP the additional factor
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that had a huge impact on me is GLBT
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rights one of the gigs that I had for
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about a decade was I wrote movie reviews
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for a local gay magazine an energy mimic
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okay so a lot of my friends are in the
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community and having seen just a
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institution of social programs to
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penalize homosexuals it really that was
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another thing that really turned me off
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in the GOP but I was never a Democrat
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and that knows never something that I
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lean toward I’m not a proponent at all
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of using government to do really
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anything for that matter so the natural
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response was to look at the Libertarian
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Party a friend of mine who knew about it
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suggested it I read the platform I loved
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everything they had to say it was like
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the first time in my life where I felt
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this was reflective of my personal views
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that I’d acquired over the course of my
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life and so I immediately changed voter
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registration in about 2005 and I got
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involved in the party in 2009 after I
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graduated from college very cool and so
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you aren’t one of these libertarians who
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are like well not a big fan of this part
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of the platform but I really support you
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know 80% of it or whatever you’re kind
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of like you look at that and you’re like
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yes this is what I believe yeah I really
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love our platform and what I
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particularly like about our platform is
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the statement of principles because I
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think it’s just such a beautifully
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encapsulated summary of everything that
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we stand for as libertarians the
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recognition that it is totally unethical
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and immoral to use force to enact your
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will so that’s something that we
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vehement ly reject in the natural
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response to that is to reject government
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because government has a monopoly on
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force or at least the state version of
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it has a monopoly on force whereas you
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can have a voluntary government but
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that’s a separate discussion for another
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time unless those but yeah then the
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platform itself is just an expansion on
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how those ideas translate to various
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different aspects of policy or Pro
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and it’s it’s really very well done and
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I don’t I don’t have any objection or
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issue to it at all in fact I love the
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fact that we just added another plank to
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it where we talked about sex work now
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yeah I’m talking about for a very long
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time I’m glad that now our national
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platform has a plank specifically
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talking about how that is totally
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acceptable we don’t have any issue with
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it and there’s no reason for government
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to penalize people for engaging in that
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right and I mean the to be fair
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obviously the platform before that the
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logical conclusion of that was that sex
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work was was not something to be
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legislated or controlled by by a you
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know by a controlling state this just
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puts it out and no in no in no uncertain
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terms that you know this is something
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that we support now what led you so
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you’ve been doing this for about 15
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years now which in libertarian years is
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like 60 years it’s a long time to be a
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libertarian
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what would you say led you to decide to
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run for president
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okay well just to clarify it’s actually
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been 10 years I started getting involved
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directly in 2009 I mean if you want to
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count the time that I changed my
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political registration yeah 15 but as
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far as activism goes 10 reason why I
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decided to run for president having come
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from being kind of an intra-party
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politics person you know working in that
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capacity holding positions of authority
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or working in committees and doing stuff
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of that nature with the party directly
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was the recognition that we need to have
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somebody on the national stage who’s
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able to articulate these values and do
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so without error and without creating a
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situation worth where are activists or
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down ballot candidates are effectively
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correcting misapprehensions voters might
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hold about what we believe as something
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that we’ve struggled with because
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historically we’ve deferred to the
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concept of name recognition or the
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potential of getting a certain amount of
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votes or you know a vote threshold or
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acquiring a war chest supposedly this
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amazing pot of gold that’s gonna come
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our way if we ran this yeah you know
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this person but this person will when
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they do get media attention they will
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neglect to really hit home some of the
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things that make us so distinctly unique
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and wonderful compare the two major
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parties so since I’ve been doing
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this on a local level you know going and
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doing petition drives or voter
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registration drives you know just
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tabeling and where you have that
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conversation all the time and you have
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to answer these questions all the time
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we know this backwards and forwards
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who’s better to represent our party than
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our amazing activists so when I threw my
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hat in the ring it was sort of a call to
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arms for everyone not so much like it
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needs to be me it doesn’t have to be me
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but we all have that capability of being
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that awesome representative and we
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should step up we should stop saying
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someone should come save us and instead
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take control of it and do it ourselves
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we need a very faint well very famous a
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person with some level of name
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recognition in the double digits who we
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have to teach how to be a libertarian
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while they run for president as a
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libertarian um so pretty sure I’m pretty
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sure Jesus would know libertarianism I
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just feel like innately he would know we
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wouldn’t have to like walk him through
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it but yes it’s that saying we’re
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looking for the former Republican Jesus
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that’s gonna walk us to the the Holy
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Land of 5% anyway III that whole thing
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is anyway so 5% wit not win just give 5%
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doesn’t matter if he’s a libertarian or
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not I just need 5% that’s literally what
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we care about
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so it’s January 22 121 right yeah
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it’s January 2021 you have been you have
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been this shows not even happening
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anymore
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you have been inaugurated president what
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do the first hundred days of the rough
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Phillips administration look like well
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CY to give a little hat tip to my friend
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and one of our our campaign members
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Craig Bowden he wanted me to make sure
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that I was explicit in saying that the
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first three or four days will be spent
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dealing with parties and calling
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dignitaries in foreign heads of state
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and saying hey thanks and how’s it going
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oh you wanted to make sure that I was
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clear about that like there’s gonna be
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some administrative stuff first right
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there’s the first 100 days the big
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things that we are really trying to hit
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home
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that were vehemently passionately
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anti-war we need to end those . and we
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need to remove our troops bring them
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back home we need to close oversea bases
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we need to stop being the aggressor on
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the international stage and in dens up
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to that and we actually cover this in an
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interview last night because John and I
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did that together is the issue of
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tariffs which is you know dovetails into
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the whole thing with the free market we
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want to have a free market both
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domestically and internationally and the
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best way to foster healthy international
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relations is to show respect diplomacy
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and of course engage in a free market
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situation when we deny a free market
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opportunity we are denying ourselves a
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wealth of information products and
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services that are going to make us as
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individuals in a society better we’re
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effectively stymieing our growth not
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just economically but intellectually as
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well it’s important that we do get rid
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of tariffs and that we open up free
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trade additionally we shouldn’t have any
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preference or a relationship with anyone
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that gives them greater consideration or
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deference over any other it really
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should just be based on who has the
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superior product or service so that’s
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something that that needs to be done and
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the other thing that’s hugely important
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for me is criminal justice reform
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granted I can’t do that on a state level
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though I can certainly talk about what’s
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wrong at the state level but on a
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federal level I can do something about
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that and it’s hugely important to me to
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basically hold all federal prosecutors
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responsible for valuing a conviction
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over actually seeking the truth the
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whole point and purpose of our
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Jeffersonian model of jurisprudence was
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to basically ensure that regardless of
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economic status or station individuals
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were given the same representation and
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consideration in the court of law they
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were to be treated equally that’s why we
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have civil liberties that’s why you have
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a BS corpus and mends and access rheya
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that’s why you were processed all of
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that stuff is designed to prevent you
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from being victimized by the state and
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the purpose of a prosecutor is to seek
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the truth not a conviction the truth
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that’s their job but obviously when they
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are rewarded for conviction rates when
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they were rewarded for you know when
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police are rewarded for arresting people
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and prosecutors are rewarded for putting
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people in jail
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then there is no incentive to find the
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truth there’s only incentive to continue
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to enact harm so that’s something that
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really needs to be brought to light and
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that means that people who have
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committed no real crime mean this means
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like there’s no victim right you have a
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whole bunch of laws that say you’re a
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criminal for doing all sorts of things
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but oh yeah yep but that law is not
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necessarily indicative of an actual
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crime a crime is whether is a victim if
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you choose to smoke a joint
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who are you harming no one I mean I
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suppose some people could make the
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argument that you’re harming yourself
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but they’re gonna put you in prison to
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teach you a lesson because you’re
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harming yourself that’s absurd if you
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like if you eat too many carbs you’re
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harming yourself like where is the line
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that we draw that if you know if you’re
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doing you know X Y Z but that you know
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you can harm yourself up to this point
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up to this point we care so much about
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you we’re gonna put you in a cage to
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keep you from harming yourself that’ll
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fix it that’s right it’s okay for you to
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drink beer but my god if you have a big
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gulp if you if you you can have two
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beers if you have four beers you’re out
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of here no it’s great and and like you
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said the system right now we talked
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about presumption of innocence and yet
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because it’s a I guess merit-based
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system or a points-based system the
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entire system is predicated on you have
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to get as many if you’re a police
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officer as many arrests as possible if
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you’re a prosecutor you have to give as
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many prosecutions as possible and or as
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many convictions as possible and the
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problem is that assumes that everyone
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that gets in front of you is guilty and
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you just have to adjudicate them into
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being guilty you have to process them to
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guilt and that’s how we end up with the
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system we have now so I I was very
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interested in reading your you have some
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very bold positions ending all the
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current wars essentially opening the
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borders and and and giving amnesty to
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peaceful people that are here already
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illegally pardoning all felons of
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victimís crimes you said that Titanic
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was not a good movie that was very bold
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and by the way you made math today with
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that because that’s a big that’s a big
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chip he has on his shoulder since like
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1998 or whatever that came out that that
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was a terrible movie and I don’t recall
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I mean did we get into the weeds on that
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one because I have some
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I went to school for film I want to let
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you know this like before I got my
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degree in communication Poli Sci I have
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an associates and Applied Science in
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motion picture television and then I
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think I spent a solid decade pretending
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I was Martin Scorsese and just watching
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movies back to back to back right so
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there’s a whole period of time where I
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never went on dates you have American
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film they interrupt anyway they want to
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talk about themselves I’m trying to
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watch the movie when the when Titanic
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came out I was in high school and at the
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time and I’m just ashamed to admit it
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like this is the lowest point in time in
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my life and if this is the worst thing I
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ever did I guess I’m doing okay I came
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home and I sobbed for the love of Jack
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and Rose I did mind you I was a goth in
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high school that’s not okay okay we
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don’t sob we’re dead inside but then as
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you get older and you watch more movies
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and you see you’re like oh my god this
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is just half it’s totally try it I mean
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just short of being a Nicholas Sparks
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movie which you know is gonna be popped
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because it’s Nicholas Sparks right it
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was manipulate it was emotionally
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manipulative crap I would much rather
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watch a movie there was just about the
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disaster in and of itself
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who gives a who cares about these people
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I just want to know about the disaster
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and what happened after that Jack I love
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you but you have to die well no I think
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there’s plenty of room for nope you have
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to die and then I’m gonna throw the
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diamond in the sea however it was yeah
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so was it again bold positions but what
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actually struck me is you’re you’re an
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anarchist right yep that’s true
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you’re an anarchist and yet your
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positions if you go to rough Phillips
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2020 dot-com and read her positions
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they’re pretty in line with what a
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strict constitutionalist would support
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like the ones that have given up their
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you know fear of foreigners and things
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like that and actually read the
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Constitution and seeing where it
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actually limits the powers that are
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supposed to limit the powers of
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government to this would be in my mind
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that as a former constitutionalist
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and now recovering a Spooner issed III I
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would read that the old me would have
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read that and been like yeah that’s
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pretty good it was that an intentional
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thing or is this just your sort of the
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your mechanism for achieving
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statelessness is using the plain
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language in the constitution of saying
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we really need to limit government first
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and then going from there it’s a couple
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of things the reason why we’re doing
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this is twofold I mean one it is a step
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toward ultimately a stateless society
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but it’s also you know in that
20:45
conversation as a recognition that our
20:46
culture has been indoctrinated into a
20:49
mindset that at worst government is
20:51
still unnecessary evil so we have sort
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of the Society of people who’ve never
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truly understand we have never
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experienced freedom we you know we
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talked about it in jingoistic terms
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during independence day or whatever we
21:04
invoke nationalistic or traditionalist
21:06
expense events but nobody’s actually
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tasted what truly freedom is so we have
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to combat that mentality
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additionally we use government is
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basically a cure for all of our
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existential crises like I feel bad about
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some event happening so I’m going to
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turn to my elected representative to do
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something about it because right I’m too
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overworked don’t you ever tax them to
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have retired I can’t do anything about
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it but it makes me feel a little bit
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better about the terrible things because
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somebody’s doing something somewhere
21:35
exactly I know where we’re at culturally
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so what we wanted to do when we crafted
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our platform is we wanted to talk about
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these things only within as sort of a
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first step like this is what we’re going
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to do in this these parameters so that
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we can actually have people see what
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truly having a constitutional republic
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as it was designed was supposed to be a
21:56
step one taste a little bit of freedom
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feels good let’s get some more right but
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the other aspect of it is is because
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central itself ownership and personal
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responsibility are a huge aspect of the
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whole libertarian philosophy what we
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felt was important was to be able to say
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yes we are seeking the highest executive
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office in the land this is true however
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we’re going to create constraints on
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what we can and cannot do and we’re
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going to use this mold as indicia of our
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pledge to you that we are not going to
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go outside of these lanes because
22:30
personal responsibility and self
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ownership is hugely important and you
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need to be able to trust that I will not
22:36
go beyond this people needs to have that
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trust again I’m not saying you should
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trust necessarily politicians but if you
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are electing somebody to represent you
22:45
in government you need to be able to
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trust they are going to do what they say
22:50
they’re gonna do within the parameters
22:51
of that office so that’s kind of the
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twofold aspect to it or at least try at
22:58
least least intend to um the no I agree
23:02
hundred percent the the entire basis of
23:04
libertarianism as you own yourself you
23:06
own your body you own the product of
23:09
your own your labor you own the product
23:11
of your labor which means you own your
23:12
property that’s an inherently empowering
23:14
and empathetic message which we
23:16
sometimes present in less than
23:17
empathetic ways that’s a whole other
23:19
subject but the it’s you know we have
23:23
our moments but um someone described it
23:25
as LPD libertarian personality disorder
23:27
and and and it’s it’s a real thing um
23:31
but you know we have this great message
23:33
and you’re right you use the the the
23:35
constitutional framework that and it
23:38
also presents the narrative that when we
23:40
get elected and we swear to uphold my
23:43
Constitution will actually do it as
23:45
opposed to the other parties who use
23:48
that as like you said like a jingoistic
23:49
you know all the Constitution which is
23:51
like this abstract term they use to
23:54
refer to whatever it is they decide they
23:56
want to do so no I agree 100% on that
23:58
now while I have you here will you sign
24:02
on to the muddied waters media platform
24:06
which is really just one thing that we
24:08
want to see a legalization of
24:10
recreational plutonium will you not
24:22
where’s the heat lamp legalization or
24:27
decriminalization which would you prefer
24:29
I decrease my nukes
24:33
I don’t want regulation and taxing of my
24:36
nukes so you support you support
24:38
decriminalization of
24:40
of my pollute of my recreational
24:42
mechanics yeah well technically what
24:45
you’re asking is do I support your cream
24:46
decriminalization of you holding
24:48
something that you mined out of the
24:49
earth it’s not technically a nuclear
24:51
weapon until you’re able to split the
24:53
atom but yes I support your right to
24:55
take from your property what you mind
24:58
and do with it what thou wilt provided
25:01
of course you do not harm others right
25:03
which is a big one with that that would
25:07
be a big one with thermonuclear weapons
25:08
sadly I lost all of mine in a tragic
25:12
nuclear boating accident nuclear
25:15
submarine acts that was terrible I was
25:21
gonna say anything like you know I may
25:24
or may not have been near Japan in 2011
25:27
but um marine that sank perchance I’ve
25:33
said enough I’ve said enough bottom line
25:36
is I don’t have them anymore it’s very
25:38
very sad um so this is this is an
25:41
interesting question I have which is why
25:43
I wrote it like me you’re against your
25:47
kids dull Taxation short of ending the
25:53
state and all taxes which ideally is
25:56
what we’d like what would you consider
25:57
as a as a secondary step so like when
26:00
people talk about all these different
26:01
types of taxes what do you consider to
26:04
be the quote unquote ideal tax as we’re
26:06
working towards you know not having any
26:09
oh my goodness it’s a good question but
26:20
yeah but I actually I always find that a
26:22
little bit frustrating getting asked
26:23
this question because you’re effectively
26:24
asking which you prefer to be vaginally
26:29
raped or anally raped like it’s still
26:31
rape you’re still being negatively
26:33
impacted they’re both terrible things it
26:35
doesn’t make it slightly less worse
26:37
because it’s in your preferred orifice
26:41
so I realize that’s like the most
26:43
classless way of explaining this but I
26:46
think this show is kind of asking me to
26:48
make some jokes so I’m gonna do it but
26:50
but but that’s that’s really the problem
26:52
inherent in that
26:53
chin is it being like would you prefer
26:56
something terrible over something
26:58
terrible something else it’s terrible
27:00
okay right well I have no desire to
27:02
replace a bad concept with another bad
27:06
concept even if we feel that it might be
27:08
slightly less worse rather what I’d like
27:10
to do is chip away at that bad concept
27:12
until it’s completely gone I’d rather
27:14
just get rid of and we slowly roll back
27:17
in whatever capacity we can existing tax
27:20
system not replaced it with something
27:22
else okay note to self stop advocating
27:26
for value-added Anil tax okay so it’s a
27:36
shortcoming of mine um so obviously the
27:41
[Laughter]
27:43
good girl
27:45
yeah there’s so many things I’m not
27:48
going to say now
27:49
so the obviously the biggest thing
27:52
everyone’s been talking about for the
27:53
last like several days has been gun
27:55
control because of these mass shootings
27:58
we had the Gilroy California shooter and
28:00
the El Paso shooter who both appear to
28:02
have been white nationalists actually
28:04
the El Paso shooter was like a white
28:06
National Socialist then you’ve got the
28:08
Dayton Ohio shooter who appears to have
28:12
been a Democratic Socialist who
28:15
supported Bernie Sanders and Liz Warren
28:20
obviously right now it is very difficult
28:23
to talk about our beliefs about gun
28:26
control because you have people who are
28:29
inundated with fear for themselves and
28:31
their children and loved ones they’re
28:33
being inundated with mass media
28:35
programming to design to you know get
28:38
them to want to disarm and then you’re
28:41
dealing with a lot of libertarians who
28:44
will say stuff like my guns matter more
28:46
than your children and and it doesn’t
28:49
augur well for us off and I actually
28:52
posted a couple days ago I said right
28:55
this was like on Friday or Saturday and
28:57
I said if you’re not able to advocate
29:00
for gun rights in a way that doesn’t
29:01
demonstrate empathy for others maybe
29:03
just get off the internet until like
29:05
Tuesday um
29:07
so just maybe just maybe get off the
29:09
internet um how do you and how then
29:14
should we what do you think right now is
29:16
a good way to message to people while
29:20
also empathizing to people because this
29:22
is a scary time this is a time when both
29:23
parties are talking about some serious
29:25
restrictions on the types of guns we can
29:27
have the types of people who can have
29:28
them how do we combat that without
29:31
coming off as seeming like we don’t care
29:32
about people that are being killed in
29:34
the street right well I think this is
29:38
something that you know we always run
29:39
into there’s a tragedy that occurs and
29:41
it of course is incredibly heartbreaking
29:43
and terrible and then the natural
29:46
response is well we need to do something
29:48
you know there’s something that has to
29:49
be done and again because we do look at
29:51
government as the solution for all that
29:53
ails us that is kind of a natural
29:56
response for people nowadays to look to
29:58
government to solve this problem but
30:00
some things cannot be solved by
30:02
government and really well actually
30:03
nothing nothing can be solved by
30:06
government government doesn’t do
30:07
anything well it can’t even solve itself
30:09
right so you know my big thing that I
30:13
would say to anyone who is very rattled
30:15
by this tragedy as they very well should
30:17
be is that I would strongly caution them
30:21
from making rash decisions just because
30:24
a good example would be 9/11 9/11 is a
30:27
prime example of a huge tragedy that
30:29
befell and affected all of us deeply and
30:31
in the response to that what did we end
30:35
up with we had the USA PATRIOT Act
30:37
rammed through within a matter of hours
30:40
we increased the size of the
30:42
surveillance state we increase the scope
30:45
of the federal government at the expense
30:47
of our civil liberties and we started to
30:50
engage in more warfare at which right
30:53
now we’re currently in Afghanistan
30:54
longer than we were in Vietnam and all
30:57
of that is a knee-jerk response to fear
31:00
we have to stop allowing fear to dictate
31:03
to us what we should do instead we need
31:06
to take pause you know permit ourselves
31:08
as a nation and as individuals to grieve
31:11
we should absolutely take time to feel
31:13
our feelings and grieve because it’s a
31:15
horrendous thing and it is heartbreaking
31:17
yeah absolutely we also should allow
31:19
those feelings
31:20
to be dealt with in a constructive
31:22
healthy way before we ever turn around
31:25
and try and make something of it because
31:28
I think that the solutions we would
31:30
create would end up being effectively a
31:31
immediate feel-good moment that has
31:34
becomes of the extraordinary expense of
31:36
everyone else’s natural rights
31:38
that’s my caution to anyone with respect
31:40
to this and it doesn’t change my opinion
31:43
on gun control
31:44
I am vehemently opposed to gun control
31:45
because I think that it’s important for
31:47
people to defend themselves and I think
31:49
events like this really drive home the
31:51
point how critical it is that we have
31:54
that direct capability ourselves because
31:56
we cannot expect our first responders to
31:58
be there and stop something like that
32:00
right that minute it would mitigate the
32:03
loss of life if people had access to
32:05
means of self-defense and if we actually
32:08
were able to do so so that’s that’s kind
32:11
of where we’re at and that’s sort of my
32:13
feeling on it you know take do feel bad
32:15
because it is horrible and take time to
32:18
feel bad grieve but don’t do anything
32:21
until you’ve had an opportunity to truly
32:23
think about it and the long-term
32:25
consequences of the decisions you make
32:27
here on out right yeah no I mean it when
32:30
you think about the fact that the the
32:34
the Dayton shooter was not able to kill
32:36
as many people because police were able
32:38
to take him down they were already right
32:40
there because he was in like a nightlife
32:41
district and they were able to take him
32:43
down and like less than a minute after
32:44
the shooting began it’s impossible for
32:46
armed police to be everywhere and and if
32:49
if we lived in that kind of reality
32:51
where armed police were always a minute
32:52
away I can assure you that’s not a world
32:54
you’d want to live in it’d be a very
32:56
scary place man so so you know to me
32:59
when I see these things I think how many
33:01
more of these things have to happen
33:02
before we don’t want before we start
33:06
advocating for fewer people to be
33:07
defenseless unfortunately that’s
33:09
obviously not how most people are
33:10
looking at it because that’s not how
33:12
they’ve been for lack of a better term
33:15
program to think about it
33:17
now as you know very often both in on
33:21
the right and the left of the I guess
33:23
authoritarian spectrum and in the
33:24
general public and at large
33:27
libertarianism has been a hard sell
33:29
often the the message of Liberty at time
33:33
has been a hard sell
33:34
how responsible I for that goodness the
33:42
fact that you bring levity to the
33:44
discussion is actually probably greater
33:46
than you know what you talked about with
33:48
the LPP
33:49
and in fact I kind of want to circle
33:50
back and discuss that if you don’t yeah
33:52
absolutely absolutely go ahead this
33:54
would be the time to talk about it yeah
33:56
I have a theory
33:57
that’s unsubstantiated it’s not been
33:59
through a peer review it’s never been
34:00
featured in a scholarly journal
34:02
therefore it’s probably not scientific
34:04
but I’m gonna roll with it anyway you
34:05
ready yes okay my theory is that because
34:09
we go through this intellectual journey
34:11
very few people start out as
34:12
libertarians but they go through this
34:14
intellectual journey where they see the
34:16
fraud waste and abuse its inherent in
34:18
the state and they reject it and they
34:20
come to this point where they realize oh
34:22
my goodness we are living in effectively
34:25
a soft tyranny and it’s not going to get
34:28
better it’s creepy to pilot Arianism and
34:30
it’s terrifying particularly if you have
34:33
children because then you’re like well
34:35
if it’s bad for me now how horrible is
34:37
it going to be for them there so there’s
34:38
this moral imperative we feel as
34:41
libertarians to do something about it
34:44
we’re terrified we’re scared we want to
34:46
make our world a better place and even
34:48
though ideally we would probably live by
34:50
ourselves and not really communicate
34:52
with anybody because at the end of it we
34:54
want to be left alone you lowly well we
34:57
are feel like we’re effectively forced
34:59
into getting into politics which we
35:02
despise to do something about these
35:05
things that terrify us but because of
35:08
the fact that it’s so urgent and dire
35:11
and terrifying and so many people seem
35:13
to reject what we say because it’s one
35:16
of my friends classified it as we’re
35:18
like Cassandra we can predict the future
35:19
but nobody believes what we say like we
35:22
see the writing on the wall but nobody’s
35:23
listening
35:24
and we keep saying what’s gonna happen
35:26
and it happens and we go
35:28
and it was like everyone’s like well we
35:30
got a vote we got a vote for for the
35:32
right person next time say no no no no
35:34
this is this yes but these are not the
35:36
right people that yet that we’re
35:38
referring to so yeah I know exactly
35:39
where we keep telling them and they’re
35:42
not listening yeah yeah they’re like
35:43
yeah no you were right about those eight
35:45
nine things back there but you’re told
35:48
long about Kratz to win so I’m gonna
35:51
double down and vote for this
35:52
knucklehead you’re like you’re not
35:56
helping together there comes that
35:58
frustration and that frustration is
36:00
naturally going to spill over and very
36:02
unhealthy ways and that sometimes
36:04
reflects itself and how we communicate
36:06
to others and each other because if you
36:09
know we’re so passionate and we’re
36:10
scared and we’re frustrated and we don’t
36:13
always handle it well that’s really what
36:15
it boils down to it’s not that we have a
36:16
personality disorder it’s that we we
36:19
have this urgency and this urgency is
36:22
not manifesting in the results that we
36:25
need to see in order to not feel
36:26
terrified by our government anymore
36:29
right yeah a little Yeley online yeah we
36:32
were economically conservative and
36:34
socially awkward we um so i i i i didn’t
36:38
coin that by the way i and we’re also
36:41
tend to be very unique individuals that
36:44
are very cerebral put it this way when i
36:47
was in school i was a little kid and my
36:49
teachers brought me i was a disciplinary
36:53
problem this was in the late 80s and my
36:55
my teachers brought my parents in and
36:58
said mister mr. cohen um we believe that
37:01
your son is retarded and and so and and
37:04
they said no i
37:05
they said no i don’t think that’s true
37:06
because he’s he’s pretty smart no no no
37:09
he’s definitely a retard and they say
37:10
we’re gonna give him a test to see where
37:11
he falls in our in our retard spectrum
37:14
and these were their words by the way
37:15
and i would never say this and so i i
37:18
took their their IQ test i scored the
37:21
absolute highest that one could score on
37:24
a on a and i test for for retards and
37:27
and so and so they said well okay then
37:30
our son okay and they said no no
37:32
actually no this is this is this is
37:33
we’re coming across this we’re gonna put
37:35
them in some class a class for very
37:37
smart retards and they now call that
37:39
honors classes and so this is a party
37:43
for what my teachers would have called
37:46
very smart retards and and and and and
37:48
the problem is if we want to get outside
37:50
of that this sort of knitting circle of
37:52
intellectualism we’ve created we have to
37:54
make connections that a lot of us we
37:56
just really don’t want to make with
37:58
normal people and and and and make those
38:01
connections
38:02
grow it into a movement that can effect
38:04
change um so no I’m right there with you
38:06
but I have no good segue for this but it
38:10
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39:01
something like something we could we
39:02
could sign off on um speaking of
39:04
podcasting your husband is Johnny Adams
39:08
better known as Johnny rocket that’s
39:10
right he is one of the people when I
39:12
started this podcast I’m like I hope my
39:14
shows as good as Johnny Rockets although
39:16
he’s got that really cool like kind of
39:19
gritty voice where as I sound like the
39:21
token Jewish news anchor on your local
39:23
program but now did you guys meet in the
39:26
Liberty movement or how did that happen
39:29
yeah we actually met because of his
39:31
podcast okay yeah he was the first
39:35
person to interview me after I announced
39:37
though yeah that’s how I met him and
39:39
then we just had such a stitch on the
39:41
radio that we kept talking afterward and
39:43
the rest is history
39:45
oh so y’all just got married yeah in
39:48
April oh wait how long have you been
39:51
running for president since July of last
39:54
year
39:55
oh wow so you’re okay that’s when I
39:58
started my show I was so enveloped in my
40:00
show for the first few months I didn’t
40:02
even it because I I think I first heard
40:03
of of you running earlier this year so
40:07
that’s very interesting so I have a
40:10
question which is very I wrote it which
40:13
is why it’s good a lot of my a viewer
40:16
I need a better Segway than that but a
40:18
lot of my viewers and listeners are
40:20
anarchists like us many of whom believe
40:23
that voting is violence in that
40:24
therefore we shouldn’t vote which is can
40:27
you know you’re an anarchist like me
40:29
it’s it’s a compelling message what is
40:32
your what is your message to them well
40:36
pretty much the reason why I am involved
40:39
in politics notwithstanding the fact
40:40
that I do want to effect change and I
40:43
this is the vehicle by which I do it is
40:46
that I recognize that we have a
40:48
defensive aspect to us being involved in
40:51
politics and we should look at voting as
40:53
a matter of being defensive you know I
40:56
know that it’s not ideal the system in
40:59
and of itself is aggressive and it’s
41:01
based on aggression which is the idea
41:03
that you as an individual can cast a
41:06
vote and if there’s a simple majority
41:08
then whatever will will be applied to
41:11
everyone equally
41:12
everybody yep right so the system in and
41:15
of itself is flawed because of that but
41:18
this is the existing system that we have
41:19
and while as much as I would love to say
41:22
we should opt out I think things like
41:24
Ruby Ridge and Waco are a lesser tip of
41:27
the fact that that’s not really
41:28
something the government is gonna let us
41:29
do so you have a choice you can either
41:31
opt out of voting and then just deal
41:34
with whatever that simple majority of
41:36
those who choose to vote give you or you
41:39
can vote defensively you can vote for a
41:41
candidate who actually represents what
41:43
you believe it
41:44
we were you can run for office yourself
41:45
you can vote for Harambee I mean that’s
41:48
a defensive measure what if he actually
41:50
got all those burgers what what did I
41:54
mean that’s my question like if he
41:56
actually got it what are you gonna do
41:59
yeah we tried to go and put his put his
42:05
paw on the Constitution cuz we voted for
42:07
this guy right oh man you know he
42:13
probably did more good in his brief sad
42:16
life than most of the people who’ve been
42:20
president of died what did you what did
42:22
he do wrong other than pull the kids
42:24
pants up after he fell nothing yeah
42:28
he’s straightened him out send him on
42:31
his way and they’re like you got ad I
42:33
brushed him off and say there you go in
42:34
the Navy then they kill him it’s yes we
42:37
can’t shoot the parents we’re gonna have
42:38
to kill the gorilla that’s you know but
42:46
no but that’s sadly I said that is truer
42:48
than I think any of us want to admit we
42:52
have a comment from Jimmy Mahaney who
42:54
said I was an official messaging
42:56
director for an LP candidate there’s a
42:58
line in marketing that people don’t buy
42:59
products they buy results but
43:01
libertarians keep trying to sell the
43:03
product which are the policies not the
43:05
result of those policies we keep winning
43:07
debates but have the worst marketing
43:10
department and winning debates is a
43:11
relative term when we get all the facts
43:14
right but everyone there hates us we won
43:19
but did we do we win or did we make a
43:22
bunch of enemies while demonstrating our
43:24
correctness to ourselves do you mean
43:26
like how we won in 2016 because we did
43:29
better than we did in 2012 like that
43:32
kind of winning I guess so victory we’re
43:37
like the great irony of being
43:39
libertarian like our whole the self
43:41
ownership and personal responsibility we
43:43
prize a system of meritocracy we want
43:46
the most successful people to indeed
43:48
achieve you know the folks that have the
43:51
greatest skills and capabilities to do
43:53
well and yet when it comes to our
43:55
politics like our actual performance as
43:57
a political party we’re like we did it
43:59
it’s very participation prize and it’s
44:02
so sad and weird like that’s not good
44:06
guy showed up yeah every a good job on
44:11
trying and there’s a lot of wonderful
44:12
people who worked very very hard on the
44:14
Johnson Wilde campaign not ever cast
44:17
aspersions on their efforts and
44:18
endeavors but to walk away from that and
44:21
then feel like we did well I joked with
44:24
a buddy of mine where I was like okay we
44:26
got like a million votes in 2012 we got
44:29
four million votes in 2016
44:32
that’s a 300% increase or four and a
44:35
percent increase if we just keep getting
44:36
like a 400% increase we’ll have this
44:38
little lock and well
44:41
three billion votes by the end of twenty
44:44
forty yet no I mean it it’s it’s it is
44:47
very participation trophy it’s very like
44:49
World’s Greatest Dad shirt after an
44:52
election like world’s greatest Liberty
44:54
we did the best of any libertarian
44:56
running and you know and also we’ve got
44:58
a trade war and you know concentration
45:01
camps on the border all right so I you
45:04
can you as a candidate can at least at
45:07
the very minimum convince just by your
45:10
rhetoric and passion and of course
45:12
you’re standing firm on what you believe
45:14
if you can at the very minimum convince
45:16
a Republican or a Democrat to start
45:19
parroting and employing those talking
45:21
points and bring it into the greater
45:23
cultural conversation now bat is
45:26
something to say you’ve achieved
45:28
that’s significant what do you think I
45:32
agree with all of that what do you think
45:34
this comes from our seeming desire to
45:39
find the newest failed Republican or
45:43
former Republican and throw them up on
45:47
the mantle and say this is our guy
45:49
because more people have heard of him
45:52
than us and you know and I have nothing
45:56
wrong with I have no problems with Gary
45:59
Johnson or Bob Barr or Justin Amash or
46:01
whatever but why like what where do you
46:05
think this comes from that we are like
46:07
so worried about a guy who in this case
46:11
probably wouldn’t win a primary in his
46:13
home district because he you know bashed
46:16
the de facto head of his former party as
46:19
opposed to finding someone like having
46:22
someone like you who’s an actual
46:25
libertarian who can actually articulate
46:27
libertarian beliefs in ideology and and
46:30
present a stark contrast from the – you
46:34
know heads of the duopoly of the of the
46:36
constant war and and and and and and
46:39
caging party where do you think that
46:43
comes from well I think this actually
46:45
kind of rolls back into our conversation
46:47
about the libertarian personality
46:49
disorder because of the fact that we do
46:52
recognize what’s going on and we are
46:54
tear
46:55
fight and we feel we have a moral
46:56
imperative to do something about it
46:57
there is kind of this desperation
46:59
inherent in that feeling where we need
47:03
to have we need to get whatever we can
47:05
to make a splash make a difference and
47:08
get that media attention get these
47:11
things done and drive it home and so
47:13
what a lot of people look at it like
47:15
well what’s what’s gonna get us media
47:17
attention well somebody who’s already
47:18
garnered media attention is gonna do
47:20
that what else is gonna be significant
47:22
or newsworthy well somebody who
47:24
previously held political office
47:25
regardless of the laws that they enacted
47:27
or how badly they liked so I think
47:32
that’s that’s kind of where it comes in
47:33
but the problem with that mentality and
47:35
this is this is the tough part because I
47:37
think that you know we do want to see
47:40
something significant happen right now
47:42
right if something’s got to change
47:43
that’s a fact we don’t realize that this
47:46
is a marathon and not a sprint all of
47:49
this is a marathon and not a sprint we
47:51
did not get government to this level
47:53
overnight and in order to roll it back
47:55
and to get it truly to a point where we
47:57
can start talking about not just talking
48:00
about but actually engaging in a
48:01
stateless society it’s gonna take a long
48:03
time it’s like weight loss it’s a battle
48:06
of attrition and knowing that we need to
48:09
be able to hunker down and hold out
48:11
longer and we have to have people who
48:13
are legitimately decent standard bearers
48:16
doing so right because if you do if we
48:19
try to get the immediate results but at
48:21
the expense of what we believe and again
48:23
that’s another we’ve achieved nothing so
48:26
that’s really because the problem that
48:27
we’re experiencing it’s not a marathon
48:29
it or it’s on a sprint it is a marathon
48:31
but yet when you think of I mean this
48:33
time in 2015
48:35
Donald Trump was polling at like 3% so a
48:39
lot of stuff can happen running even in
48:43
a third party obviously the main point
48:45
of running for any office but especially
48:47
as president as a libertarian obviously
48:49
you want to win if you do not win you
48:52
can do you can at least use earned media
48:55
to push the message of libertarianism
48:57
which 99% of people have not really
49:00
heard they’ve heard of libertarians but
49:02
then they see libertarians as you know
49:05
boomer former Republicans who smoke a
49:07
lot of weed
49:08
and don’t know the capitals of countries
49:10
that were bombing and and again that’s
49:14
not a dispersion against city that
49:16
wasn’t any that wasn’t anyone no no I
49:18
wasn’t saying you I’m saying like the
49:21
people that we’ve been that wasn’t about
49:23
another way I wasn’t talking about
49:25
anyone in particular there uh but I mean
49:27
instead of doing that you could use that
49:30
earned media to actually push actual
49:32
libertarianism and you could even get if
49:35
you don’t win get a big enough number in
49:37
the polling to force the Democrat and
49:40
Republican candidates to add libertarian
49:43
positions to their platform and
49:45
potentially even add it to their actual
49:48
policy prescriptions if they get elected
49:50
and you don’t you know take a page from
49:53
the progressives who figured out a
49:54
hundred years ago that it doesn’t matter
49:56
which party wins as long as we just keep
49:59
creeping forward with what we want they
50:01
don’t look at it as a sprint they’re
50:03
okay with Donald Trump getting as much
50:05
they pretend not to if Donald Trump gets
50:07
re-elected that’s fine so long as he
50:08
keeps pushing stuff that was you know
50:10
the standard Democrat talking points 50
50:13
ten fifteen twenty years ago they’re
50:14
fine with that and and we need to adopt
50:17
that same thing having a Kim rough or a
50:19
you know any of the other candidates by
50:21
the way we’re not officially endorsing
50:23
anyone but I really like this one um but
50:26
but no endorsement not an endorsement um
50:28
but uh at least not yet to have someone
50:33
like you running who yes you could you
50:37
could win you could win as much as
50:38
anyone else can if you do not win you
50:40
could at least be a face for
50:42
libertarianism that the vast majority of
50:44
Americans have never been exposed to why
50:46
we would do that instead of looking at a
50:49
guy who’s not running for president and
50:51
not running as a libertarian and
50:53
throwing our panties out am I going
50:55
Justin please Justin can you hear I love
50:59
you and he’s not even he’s like a he’s a
51:02
Liberty adjacent conservative which is
51:04
fine but I don’t get him yeah I would
51:11
like it if people through their panties
51:12
at me that’s the real if I had known
51:17
bummed me out sock I got I could throw
51:27
this is the most undergarment I have
51:29
right now I apologize but if I had had
51:32
for thought I would have gotten like a
51:33
bra from the closet or something and my
51:36
wife’s bra to be clear exactly like Tom
51:41
Jones you’re that you’re the Elvis
51:43
Presley of libertarianism so so I’m dead
51:47
you’re saying you’re that no
51:49
you’reyou’re the 19 you’re the thin
51:52
Elvis from the 50s and 60s that we all
51:54
grew up to while I was I wasn’t alive
51:56
yet but that our parents grow up to love
51:58
this analogy is not going well oh okay
52:01
but yes I love what you had to say
52:03
everything that you had to say because
52:04
that’s one of the things I was talk
52:06
about is you know you look at the way
52:08
that the Socialists did they tried to be
52:10
very forefront in politics at the turn
52:12
of the 20th century and then when that
52:14
didn’t yield the results they wanted
52:16
what they said they did was they
52:17
infiltrated academia unions the you know
52:21
the legal system they went to all these
52:23
other areas and started to push those
52:25
ideas that way and then that became part
52:27
of the larger cultural conversation and
52:29
that manifested in a socio-political sea
52:31
change that is how we got to this point
52:34
so I always tell people it’s like Fred
52:36
Astaire and Ginger Rogers we’re gonna do
52:37
everything they did backwards and in
52:39
heels that’s effectively what we’re
52:41
trying to do you have to trim it back
52:42
you’ve got to roll it back and you you
52:44
can absolutely take a page from your
52:46
PlayBook the other thing is is that in
52:48
the era of the internet and social media
52:50
the game is it’s changed it’s not the
52:53
same as it used to be I mean you know
52:55
media at all but one of the things that
52:57
we talk about a lot in media is with
52:59
respect to when we went from radio to
53:01
television and how that changed the
53:03
debate because you know a really prime
53:05
example that’s often trotted out is the
53:06
debate between John F Kennedy and
53:09
Richard Nixon and Nixon how they look at
53:11
yep yep right you listen to it on the
53:13
radio Nix it had it on lockdown you
53:15
watched on TV well JFK with that weird
53:17
disease that he had looks very swarthy
53:19
like he’d been in Bermuda and just came
53:21
in off of the golf course
53:23
whereas Nixon didn’t have anybody put
53:25
any makeup on him and then he was like
53:27
sweating and looked uncomfortable so
53:29
this is something that they had to pivot
53:31
politically and adjust you
53:36
wait wait wait what disease oh goodness
53:41
I don’t know what it’s called but if you
53:42
if you google it you’ll you’ll find out
53:44
he had some sort of a I think it was a
53:46
fitness I don’t know if I’d have to look
53:49
it up I’ll let you know later but yeah
53:50
thank you
53:51
he’s that made his skin look that
53:55
bronzed so that’s quite a disease to
53:59
have yeah right well it actually it a
54:02
bunch of other aspects to it as well
54:04
like Rove just random facts for you just
54:07
random things I know did not know that
54:09
yeah it’s dead now I don’t remember how
54:14
but yes he’s since passed anyway disease
54:22
anyway my point is they had to adjust
54:26
they had to pivot in that age of
54:28
television right and now the same thing
54:30
can be said about social media and
54:31
that’s something that’s gonna make it
54:32
fundamentally different Trump was
54:34
successful not just because he had an
54:37
assist from things like Cambridge
54:38
analytical but also because of the fact
54:40
that he exploited social media that’s a
54:42
huge way of getting out to people and
54:45
Grant said he also exploited the least
54:47
common denominator which is like you
54:49
know hysterical racism and bigotry and
54:52
inflated on beer he played on fear and
54:55
turned it into those he weaponized it
54:57
into those things right but it got
55:00
people out the door and at the pole and
55:03
so we have to absolutely look at those
55:06
successes as much as we dislike them and
55:09
see what worked for them I would
55:12
strongly recommend people not put out
55:14
hysterically racist content or racist
55:17
content at all like even if it was just
55:19
like low-key racist like don’t do it not
55:21
a hysterical racist content yeah you
55:23
take advantage of social media take
55:25
advantage of word-of-mouth get that
55:27
information out and we can of course do
55:29
the same thing documentarians to you
55:30
which is you can if you’ve ever seen the
55:33
formula for a documentary it’s very
55:34
basic which is for the first you know
55:36
ninety minutes of the documentary they
55:38
scare the bejesus out of you about
55:40
whatever issue like oh my god the honey
55:42
bees are going away or whatever the
55:44
situation is and then the last 30
55:46
minutes they’re like now here’s what you
55:47
can do at home you can recycle glass
55:50
it has bupkis to do with honeybees but
55:52
it’s the feel-good thing it gives them
55:53
people some hope it gives them something
55:55
to do right and they’re totally whatever
55:58
we do you know our own messaging in our
56:00
campaign because we get asked a lot of
56:03
questions about what do you think about
56:05
some state or local law right and
56:07
there’s like I can’t do anything about
56:08
that this is federal office this is I
56:11
have nothing to do with that I can talk
56:13
about these things on a federal level
56:15
I cannot enforce those things if they’re
56:17
on a federal level but here’s what you
56:19
can do at home you can you know whether
56:22
it’s work on a referendum a recall or
56:24
initiative you can write your legislator
56:26
you can work with a an NGO or a
56:28
non-profit to put forward legislation
56:30
and there’s a billion things you can do
56:32
at home if this is something you care
56:35
about and that’s our documentary end you
56:38
know government is terrible government
56:40
is scary we live in a soft tyranny we’re
56:42
marching towards totalitarianism but
56:44
here’s what you here’s what you can do
56:46
yeah
56:47
we’ve got a lot of comments for people
56:48
that are legitimately worried about the
56:50
bees by the way so you might want to add
56:52
up yeah it’s actually
56:55
sorry random fact but because of the
56:58
fact that honeybees have gone away we
56:59
actually are at the point where you have
57:01
scientists who are going to have to
57:02
basically go and inseminate you no good
57:07
god how can I not think of this word
57:08
pollinate pollinate plants to ensure
57:11
that they continue to thrive so is it’s
57:13
actually pretty horrible what’s going on
57:14
with the honeybees it has nothing to do
57:16
with recycling plastic though coming
57:18
soon the B plank of the rough Phillips
57:22
campaign um so I have if you if you call
57:28
it that
57:28
I will endorse you on our very next
57:30
episode um if you have a thing called
57:32
plan B EE and and it’s like a detailed
57:35
libertarian thing I can’t not endorse
57:38
you at that point about something
57:41
maritime related just do a whole thing
57:44
plan D is like oh I could go so many
57:47
places nothing there’s nothing so so
57:55
circa needs love we’re gonna give
57:58
America that D and here’s what you can
58:00
do so I wanted to
58:03
ask you because I know I’ve got I think
58:05
about maybe 15-20 minutes left is that
58:07
correct with you yes okay so I wanted to
58:11
ask you your opinion I don’t even know
58:12
if you have an opinion on this I’ve read
58:14
what I’m told is a hit piece and watched
58:16
a little bit of a clip so I’m not fully
58:18
sure what was going on do you have much
58:20
of an opinion to give on this
58:21
libertarian party LNC Knicks are work
58:25
$75 an hour thing like IIIi I’ve gotten
58:30
so many conflicting reports that I don’t
58:32
even know what to think do you really
58:33
have a strong opinion one way or the
58:35
other on oh honey I have opinions on
58:37
everything oh do i yeah I got opinions
58:43
on everything um sure I mean I
58:45
absolutely do have an opinion on it but
58:48
out of respect for all the individuals
58:50
involved and the fact that my running
58:51
mate is a sitting member of the LMC as
58:53
is my husband I have chosen to abstain
58:56
from vocalizing any of those opinions
58:58
because I think it’s important to keep
59:00
it separated okay yeah no problem no
59:02
problem and like I said we are not
59:03
really banging the drum one way or the
59:05
other I listen to and read and watch to
59:09
know from like yeah I’m not fully sure
59:12
what happened here but I’m not I’m not
59:14
active enough in the LNC to really you
59:16
know agitate one way or the other so
59:17
I’ve made I made peace with it um so we
59:20
have some questions from our followers
59:22
before we go to our lightning round
59:23
which is going to do yeah
59:26
lightning round final my fellow
59:28
Americans we call it so a few questions
59:32
from followers number one what would you
59:34
say are the three worst things that
59:37
Trump has done while in office if you
59:40
had to pick the first the top three re
59:43
worse things there’s just so many the
59:47
cornucopia of bad things yeah terrible
59:53
things I use the French word I’m not
59:56
sure correct
59:57
that’s classic it’s still it sounded
59:59
classy if nothing else it sounded
60:01
classroom I would say one of the things
60:04
that really stands out in my mind and
60:05
actually I’ve discussed this a couple
60:07
times because when we were discussing
60:08
the Moller report you know was the whole
60:10
conversation was happening on social
60:11
media and beyond
60:13
a lot of people were saying well he
60:14
needs to be impeached and in the case of
60:16
the Moller report
60:17
that whole thing says that okay there
60:19
may not have been a crime but he may
60:22
have obstructed our ability to
60:24
investigate this non crime that’s not an
60:27
impeachable offense however if you do
60:29
want to impeach the president what you
60:31
could do is go after him for continuing
60:33
the unconstitutional war in Yemen that’s
60:35
a totally impeachable offense that’s a
60:38
good one you know of course in order to
60:39
do that you would also have to go after
60:41
Obama because he’s the one who started
60:43
it so that’s something that is
60:45
incredibly horrible that he’s done is
60:48
continuing to perpetuate this war in
60:51
fact we have I think nine active Wars if
60:53
you include advisors and drone strikes
60:55
going on not just Afghanistan and Iran
60:58
so yeah I would say those are our
61:00
terrible things that he’s done the
61:02
sabre-rattling BS that was going on with
61:05
Iran was incredibly irresponsible
61:08
I think that was a an awful thing that
61:10
he was doing now all of us of course who
61:12
are barely you know vaguely well-versed
61:15
on or in history recognized the fact
61:18
that things like the Gulf of Tonkin and
61:19
the Lusitania and other events have been
61:22
you know either they didn’t happen at
61:25
all or they did happen but the extent to
61:28
which was greatly overblown in order to
61:31
justify warfare and it’s just from a
61:34
libertarian perspective it’s just so
61:36
superficially obvious what’s going on
61:38
that you’re like how is anybody like
61:40
thinking this is the real thing
61:42
boats being attacked engulfs like it’s
61:47
just the standard go to it’s like cards
61:49
against humanity’ they throw out both
61:51
being attacked engulfs and then you know
61:52
go on but they just keep they just keep
61:57
using the same Madlib for like the last
61:59
120 years boats being attacked engulfs
62:02
we have to do it so it’s so true because
62:07
it’s not really something that’s
62:08
substantiate it you know you if you have
62:10
a land conflict you know if somebody
62:12
drops a bomb there’s obviously going to
62:14
be fallout you know you have things to
62:16
substantiate evidence to prove that but
62:19
in case of you know something happened
62:21
on the Seas that’s a little bit more
62:23
difficult to do a post of a post event
62:26
and try and find that evidence so
62:28
exactly
62:30
highly irresponsible of him to allow
62:32
that to occur the other aspect that I
62:35
would say that is really irresponsible
62:37
of him is in acting all these tariffs
62:39
and you can see that negatively
62:41
impacting people just on their day to
62:43
day I was just saying last night that
62:45
when we were in Massachusetts had gone
62:47
out to lunch with my campaign director
62:48
and the our waiter told us if you want
62:52
avocado it’s gonna cost you like five
62:53
dollars for an avocado because just
62:57
because the tariffs it’s so much more
62:58
difficult to get these things imported
63:00
right that’s a very very small example
63:02
and I can extrapolate how that affects
63:04
manufacturing because that’s the
63:06
industry I work in but because of
63:08
tariffs we have a situation where we
63:09
can’t get the goods or services that we
63:11
want we have other countries that are
63:13
being punitive with us and trying to
63:15
negatively impact our industries and of
63:17
course we’re preventing us from growing
63:19
economically because whether we like it
63:21
or not the idea of by American only news
63:25
American is a myth at this point and
63:27
we’re an international economy so that
63:30
is another thing I just I’m
63:31
flabbergasted by that one on some of his
63:34
political stuff I’m like well he’s not a
63:35
politician maybe he just doesn’t know
63:38
where his office ends and you know the
63:40
rest of the world begins but on the
63:42
stuff is regards business I’m like how
63:44
irresponsible
63:45
well were you ever successful and if you
63:48
look at the track record his successes
63:50
are largely built on bankruptcy
63:52
restructuring and then doing it again
63:55
with a handout so he’ll he’s yeah he’s
63:58
not a bad person per se I don’t think
64:01
that he’s an evil incarnate but he’s
64:02
done quite a lot of really illogical
64:05
harmful things okay do you find the
64:10
labeling of the migrant detention
64:12
detention facilities on the border as
64:15
concentration camps to be an accurate
64:17
label yes yes absolutely
64:21
anytime you inter somebody um you know
64:24
in definitely the state is responsible
64:27
for keeping people you know interred fur
64:30
indefinitely yeah absolutely that’s a
64:32
concentration camp you can gussy it up
64:34
in any other term you want to but it is
64:36
what it is whether we’re doing it to the
64:38
Japanese during World War two or it was
64:40
done to the Jews during the Holocaust
64:42
yes
64:44
it’s still the same thing you’re forcing
64:45
people to live in effectively a ghetto
64:48
indefinitely because they’re doing
64:50
something you’d beam unacceptable right
64:53
yeah so the history lesson here for
64:55
those who disagree with this and you’re
64:56
wrong is that in the nineteen camps to
65:01
be called concentration camp and
65:02
concentration camps in German I think
65:04
that’s I think that’s German was in the
65:06
1920s prior to the Holocaust story or
65:08
even Hitler it was to house refugee Jews
65:12
that were seeking asylum from the
65:14
genocide the pogroms in Russia so they
65:17
were called concentration camps they
65:18
were not part of the Holocaust or any
65:20
genocide they were there to basically
65:22
create tough conditions for refugees to
65:25
deter them from coming which is exactly
65:28
what’s happening on the southern border
65:29
right now so it is a very I just want to
65:31
get your opinion on that before telling
65:32
you the correct opinion um
65:34
do you consider yourself a feminist
65:37
these are interesting questions for my
65:38
followers yeah actually these are these
65:42
are very enjoyable mmm yes I do consider
65:44
myself a feminist but my feminism is
65:47
nowhere near what the third and fourth
65:49
and whatever the hell is going on wave
65:51
weighty 72 mention wave feminism yes
65:55
like the waves keep coming yeah my the
66:02
way that I classify my feminism is
66:04
strictly a matter of recognizing that
66:07
women just like every other individual
66:09
are endowed with the natural rights to
66:11
life liberty and just the acquired
66:12
property proper be property being
66:14
defined as your body in the fruits of
66:16
your labor you have every right to do
66:18
with it as you see fit provided of
66:20
course you don’t infringe on the rights
66:21
of others that is something that you
66:24
know regardless of gender or sex or
66:26
religion or create or any other aspect
66:29
that could subdivide us we are all
66:32
endowed with these natural rights so as
66:34
a feminist my perspective is is that you
66:36
know just because we’re women doesn’t
66:38
mean we should be denied the same amount
66:41
of respect for those natural rights if
66:43
somebody infringes on them they should
66:44
be held as equally accountable where
66:46
it’s unto a man and if we violate
66:48
somebody’s rights we should be held
66:49
equally accountable as were we a man so
66:52
that’s really where my feminism is is
66:55
legitimate equality and it should be
66:57
clear
66:57
on equality because this is something
66:59
that’s oftentimes misunderstood there’s
67:00
two types of equality there’s negative
67:02
equality you know that concept of
67:05
equality of opportunity and then there’s
67:08
equality of outcome which would be the
67:09
positive equality one where society
67:11
somehow has this duty to provide these
67:13
things for you ensure that you all end
67:15
up with the same thing now I reject
67:18
equality of outcome I prefer like the
67:21
only equality that’s acceptable to me as
67:23
a feminist is equality of opportunity
67:25
which is I should be able to achieve to
67:28
the extent of my capabilities my
67:30
knowledge skills and abilities right and
67:32
have any sort of limitations to those in
67:35
the same token though I should not have
67:37
any handicaps afforded me or handouts or
67:39
assists like I should be able to do it
67:42
based strictly on my own merit and if
67:44
I’m good at what I do I should be
67:46
rewarded measure it to that and that’s
67:48
something I’ll negotiate with my
67:49
business you know the business owner and
67:51
if I’m not good at it then I shouldn’t
67:53
have that opportunity it’s that simple
67:55
you know so and I think a lot of women
67:57
actually do feel that way because
67:58
there’s something very frustrating about
68:00
those kind of Equal Opportunity laws
68:03
that are put forward to give women
68:05
effectively you know like title nine or
68:06
whatever they give us that handicap that
68:08
leg up and that handout it’s offensive
68:11
and paternalistic that’s actually the
68:13
great irony is like there’s nothing more
68:15
like just insulting to our character
68:19
yeah it’s very misogynistic that you
68:21
need this thing you know right if you’re
68:23
gonna do as well as the boys then you
68:25
know you’re gonna need this this you
68:26
know as handicapped assistance you write
68:29
on an interpreter on a deep level on an
68:33
emotional level it’s actually incredibly
68:35
destructive to your concept of
68:37
self-worth because you don’t actually
68:39
know if what you achieved was done
68:41
because you were legitimately good at it
68:44
or if because somebody was just cutting
68:46
you some a favor
68:47
you know in this same token you like you
68:49
want to be able to own your successes
68:51
and you want to be able to own your
68:52
failures that’s the ideal experience for
68:55
anybody so that’s where I come from as a
68:58
feminist but when it starts to get into
69:00
this we’re better than we need greater
69:01
consideration men are dirt all that
69:04
other nonsense I’m out I want nothing to
69:07
do with that silliness and no
69:09
affirmative action for chicks
69:11
that’s how I put it yeah
69:16
ruff-ruff philips 20/20 so we got a lot
69:18
of comments from people you know like
69:20
all outraged about the whole avocado
69:22
thing that you know what let’s make
69:25
something clear something like half of
69:27
all the goods that you as an American
69:29
consume are either imported from Mexico
69:31
or contain at least one component that
69:35
was imported from Mexico and I think if
69:37
you add things that are made with things
69:40
that have components that are imported
69:41
from Mexico the number goes up even
69:43
higher yeah it is impossible in the
69:46
economy that we live in in the world
69:49
that the quality of life we’ve created
69:52
for ourselves to expect to get well
69:55
priced easily available goods and
69:58
services across the entire spectrum of
70:00
goods goods and services within the 48
70:03
states and Alaska and Hawaii and
70:05
especially when you’re looking at your
70:06
immediate neighbors like Mexico Canada
70:09
the Caribbean and then yes also China
70:12
it’s impossible not to need them for
70:16
that and if you really want to not need
70:18
them for that or need them less then you
70:20
push for deregulation within our
70:21
domestic market so that our our small
70:24
businesses and manufacturers aren’t
70:26
priced out of the market anyway that’s a
70:28
whole lot that I can do a whole episode
70:30
about that everyone because this is
70:34
something that’s very interesting and
70:35
you know in amongst the many things that
70:38
are of interest to me just generally
70:39
industrial farming is that is something
70:41
that’s of interest to me so I’ve watched
70:43
a lot of documentaries write a lot of
70:44
books about it one of the things is that
70:45
we because of the fact that we have that
70:47
supermarket and we are very divorced
70:49
from our food we have been taught to
70:52
expect to have certain foods around all
70:55
the time you know oranges citrus only
70:58
really is edible in wintertime and you
71:02
know like peaches are summertime that’s
71:04
like these are there are times where
71:05
these things are seasonally available
71:07
but because we have an international
71:09
economy we’re able to have people on the
71:12
other side of the Equator send us stuff
71:15
that’s blooming for their seasons so
71:17
that we do have that luxury of eating
71:19
all these things that we want to eat
71:21
year-round so unless you’re getting you
71:23
want to get really
71:24
comfortable with only eating with the
71:27
seasons in your backyard and believe you
71:29
me is somebody who lives in Arizona
71:31
where we have cliche soil and you can’t
71:33
grow hardly anything exactly you know
71:37
you want to have that variability and
71:40
dynamism in your diet then yeah
71:42
absolutely you want to have an
71:44
international economy right so final
71:46
question I agree under percent the final
71:48
question from the follower and then
71:49
we’re gonna go to final my fellow
71:51
Americans do you believe an tyfa is a
71:55
terrorist organization these were some
71:57
compelling questions by the way to my
71:58
followers I appreciate your your
72:00
questions the second time I’ve been
72:04
asked this am I really okay yeah it’s
72:07
funny because I’m like there’s nothing I
72:09
can do about that as somebody running
72:11
for president um well I think any group
72:15
that engages in violent acts against
72:18
others strictly because of a difference
72:20
in ideology as opposed to a matter of
72:24
self-defense could definitely qualified
72:26
thusly
72:26
but in order to label them thusly I have
72:29
to say that they would be treated that
72:32
way in the criminal justice system and I
72:35
don’t know that that’s appropriate I
72:36
would much rather it be on a individual
72:38
by individual case-by-case basis so if
72:41
there’s a person who happens to be a
72:43
member of an Tifa and then does some
72:45
violence against another then they
72:46
should absolutely be held accountable
72:47
for that and he as a whole just like
72:51
neo-nazis as a whole yes you can have
72:53
crazy-ass ideas that’s fine that’s the
72:56
reality about living in a world with
72:58
some modicum of freedom but if it kind
73:01
of fests and you harming other people
73:03
than you as an individual need to be
73:04
held accountable so that’s kind of where
73:06
I’m on that and I don’t think that it’s
73:08
fair to say that just because this is a
73:10
hate group or a terrorist group or any
73:12
other label you want to assign to it
73:13
that their violence is somehow worse
73:17
then we’re the same violence perpetrated
73:20
by just some blowed Joe Blow for
73:22
whatever reason right like if murder is
73:25
murder is murder regardless a soul is
73:28
assault is assault yep yep right so
73:31
doesn’t make it somehow worse because it
73:33
was antifa it’s just it’s murder
73:36
you know
73:38
yeah absolutely yeah no it kind of it’s
73:40
the same thing as like hate crime
73:42
legislation crimes of violence or if
73:44
it’s done because you hate the person or
73:47
because you didn’t want them in your way
73:48
or cuz you wanted their shoes and you
73:50
wanted to take their like you’ve
73:51
committed a crime you’ve harmed someone
73:54
that’s what matters not your intent
73:56
behind it but I saw no I agree
73:58
and also the hypocrisy of us you know
74:00
talking about you know individuals using
74:03
violence for political aims when that’s
74:05
the entire basis of the state but that’s
74:08
a whole other subject yeah
74:10
so this that’s a that’s that’s nice
74:12
uniforms exactly if you know it Chifa if
74:16
you really want to get on your game you
74:17
gotta you gotta write on on
74:18
fancy-looking brown sheets of paper and
74:20
you gotta get some nice badges and stuff
74:22
and make it make it look nice make it
74:23
look legit
74:24
epaulettes you know yeah exactly yeah
74:27
get some different badges and make sure
74:29
everyone has the same uniformity and
74:31
everything then we’ll be getting
74:32
somewhere so this is final my fellow
74:35
Americans which I literally just started
74:36
calling that now um where I’m going to
74:39
ask you a question
74:42
we’re gonna give you 30 seconds and what
74:44
a way that this question goes is I’m
74:46
going to name each of the libertarian
74:49
presidential candidates and you’re going
74:52
to tell me the first Simpsons character
74:55
that pops into your mind now and so and
74:59
so
75:01
no offense anyone and so we’re gonna put
75:04
30 seconds on the clock and start now
75:07
Adam Koch
75:09
oh my god it’s been so long since I
75:14
watch The Simpsons I kind of want to
75:16
just call it everybody here’s a
75:17
libertarian comic-book guy that’s ideal
75:22
Arvind Bora dad I really like him I
75:28
don’t even want to insult them Ben
75:31
letter leader it is so I guess to some
75:43
extent I would say maybe Bart Simpson
75:45
because he likes to he’s a bit of a
75:47
rebel and he says incendiary things I
75:49
actually I tend to agree with that the
75:53
answer we actually had here okay answer
75:56
is they’re all comic book guy we’ll see
76:07
that’s what it Wilson will say that’s
76:09
what I wrote I actually I just want to
76:11
get your opinion on who which Simpsons
76:13
character you are oh I feel like Marge
76:18
Simpson although I do really mean Ralph
76:25
Wiggum so maybe to some extent I’m him
76:27
where I’m like I would not of that group
76:32
I would not call you the Ralph Wickham’s
76:34
but but but fair enough
76:40
so those things wouldn’t cut butter so
76:50
no I actually like no go ahead bad about
76:55
this where I was saying that um I always
76:58
think of that band performance where
76:59
they’re like on saxophone
77:01
Lisa Simpson on triangle Martin Prince
77:03
and with a flute up his nose Ralph
77:06
Wiggum
77:11
that’s the libertarian debate is
77:13
everyone was flutes up there no that is
77:16
funny um so I I had a friend who she she
77:21
was devastated over the weekend she
77:23
would use one
77:23
those internet things that asked her
77:25
what her fate what Flintstone character
77:27
she was and it told her she was Peggy
77:29
slaghoople
77:32
Peggy slaghoople which is I don’t know
77:36
who that is I’m not sure that that’s a
77:38
real character but that has been she was
77:40
sure she was Betty Rubble and she was
77:42
not she was Peggy slaghoople so at least
77:52
[Laughter]
77:57
exactly I’m Peggy slack I didn’t know so
78:01
I know he’s gone over over time with you
78:03
I really appreciate you coming on Kim
78:05
thank you so much for coming on tonight
78:07
and before I let you go I just want to
78:10
give you a chance to give your final
78:12
thoughts
78:13
anything you want to promote anything
78:14
that you feel like you didn’t get a
78:16
chance to talk about any anything you’d
78:19
like to well obviously I want to promote
78:21
your presidential campaign anything you
78:22
want to say as long as you want Kim
78:24
rough the floor is yours okay well I
78:31
think probably what I would like to say
78:33
most right now is thank you to you and
78:35
everyone else who’s been gracious enough
78:37
to invite me on to their podcasts and
78:39
their radio shows and their their web
78:41
cast to be able to talk about these
78:43
things and spend some time with you it
78:45
really means a lot and that’s actually a
78:46
critical aspect of our campaign is
78:49
getting the word out you guys are
78:51
contributing in your own way shape and
78:53
form by allowing me the opportunity to
78:55
use your show as a platform so I very
78:57
much appreciate that additionally one of
78:59
the things that I say a lot about this
79:01
campaign is notwithstanding the fact
79:03
that we are focused on being anti-war
79:06
opening up the marketplace and of course
79:08
criminal justice reform is the fact that
79:10
this is a really a matter of all hands
79:12
on deck
79:13
I know that it is difficult and
79:15
frustrating and there are things that
79:16
scare you about the world that we live
79:18
in and you want to do something about it
79:20
and there is absolutely something you
79:21
can do about it you can do something
79:23
whether you work for our campaign or
79:25
Joanie you can do something by getting
79:27
the word out having a conversation with
79:29
your friends and neighbors about these
79:30
issues and making sure that they
79:31
understand what’s going on is usually
79:33
important starting your own media
79:35
company contributing to somebody else’s
79:37
media
79:37
company getting involved with
79:39
organizations all around doing things on
79:42
a local and state level that is a
79:44
response to and in place of government
79:46
programs is another way that you can
79:48
contribute and make our world better so
79:51
even if you can’t change the world
79:52
overnight and we can’t you can
79:55
absolutely change your world by doing
79:57
positive actions in your own backyard
79:59
with your family and your neighbors so I
80:02
strongly encourage everybody to do that
80:03
and if they’re interested in finding out
80:05
more about our campaign you can check us
80:07
out at ruff Phillips 20/20 dot-com again
80:11
that’s ruff Phillips 2020 comm my name
80:14
is Kim ruff and I am seeking the
80:15
Libertarian Party nomination for
80:17
president in 2020 and I am spike Cohen
80:20
and I endorsed that overarching message
80:22
I and all of her site and everything
80:26
else is on our Twitter and Facebook is
80:28
in the show notes so be sure to check
80:29
that out guys Kim thank you again so
80:32
much stick around I’m going to talk to
80:33
you just briefly before the outro I
80:34
really appreciate your patience on all
80:36
this um guys thank you again for joining
80:38
us right here on my fellow Americans by
80:40
the way everyone seems Kim to think that
80:42
you’re some kind of hybrid between Marg
80:45
and Lisa that’s good I I see that I
80:49
totally see that so guys thank you again
80:51
for tuning in to my fellow Americans
80:53
this has been a great episode be sure to
80:55
tune in tomorrow Thursday night for the
80:58
writer’s block with Matt Wright he is
81:01
interviewing someone amazing you’re not
81:05
gonna believe who it is it’s gonna tune
81:07
in for a surprise guest to me for Matt
81:10
right on the writer’s block for tomorrow
81:12
night at probably 8:00 and then on
81:15
Friday shabbat shalom it’s Jason Lyon
81:18
who is back for mr. America the bearded
81:20
truth finally and and then have a great
81:24
weekend and then next Monday mr. America
81:28
the beard of truth for his non Shabbat
81:29
his Monday his week beginner episode and
81:32
then tune in next Tuesday for the muddy
81:36
waters of freedom where Matt Wright and
81:38
I parsed through the week’s events with
81:41
the cheerfulness of a of a of a young
81:43
summer boy and then tune in next
81:46
Wednesday but it would like summer boy
81:50
it’s just
81:51
a sweet summer boy you got it if you
81:54
want to know what it is you tune in next
81:56
Tuesday for the money bars of freedom
81:58
and you too will experience its sweet
82:00
some just tune it that’s that’s it’s not
82:04
that’s not plan D by the way um and so
82:07
next Wednesday then next Wednesday if
82:15
I’m if the FCC hasn’t somehow taken over
82:18
the internet just to shut my show down I
82:20
will be here for a brand new spanking
82:23
summer boy episode of my fellow
82:25
Americans I’m gonna stop saying summer
82:26
boy now thank you again for tuning in
82:30
and god bless you
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