(((My Fellow Americans))) #42: AnarchoJudaism POWER HOUR with Yaakov Markel

(((My Fellow Americans))) #42: AnarchoJudaism POWER HOUR with Yaakov Markel Prepare yourself for lots of freedom and guilt in this episode, goys. Spike is joined by Anarchy Jewish Man himself, Mr. Yaakov Markel to talk about his work to spread anarchy, including the upcoming event AnarchoVegas. Oh, and Israel. We'll definitely be talking about Israel. We're Jews.


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Prepare yourself for lots of freedom and guilt in this episode, goys. Spike is joined by Anarchy Jewish Man himself, Mr. Yaakov Markel to talk about his work to spread anarchy, including the upcoming event AnarchoVegas. Oh, and Israel. We’ll definitely be talking about Israel. We’re Jews.

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as always guys before I introduce my
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guest a very important update on
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something that has been wracking the
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followers of my of muddy waters media
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for the last 48 hours now we had
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probably one of the most important polls
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you’ve ever had definitely one of the
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most engaged polls we’ve ever had the
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age-old question of which would you
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rather fight an elephant-sized turtle or
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5,000 turtle sized elephant and we got a
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lot of questions and a lot of confusion
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and and a lot of anger there were civil
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people were angry and I wasn’t ready for
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the anger but they were and but it’s
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it’s it’s it for a while there it was
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neck-and-neck at one point it was I
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think that the turtle sized LFE were at
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like 50.1% and the turtle the elephant
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sized turtle was at forty nine nine now
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the for quite a while now the elephant
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size turtle in the last 24 hours has
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just completely pulled away it’s not
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even close anymore or at least it’s not
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a close enough statistically for the the
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turtle size lfi to come back so even
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though there’s still another I think
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hour left on the poll we are comfortable
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calling the poll for elephant sized
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turtle and with over over 500 votes I
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think we got close to 600 votes and so
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so that is the and that actually is the
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correct answer
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an elephant sized turtle the turtle size
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LF I would run you down there’s just too
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many of them so I’m glad we got that
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update um so now that we’ve got that out
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of the way my guest tonight I’m very
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excited about my guest tonight is even
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more Jewish than me
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which is not difficult sadly he’s also
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equally as anarchist as I am which is
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more more difficult he’s the co-founder
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of a narco Vegas which will be and pull
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that up that’s going to be the very
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first year of a narco Vegas it’s gonna
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be in Las Vegas Nevada on July 20th and
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21st we’re gonna be talking more about
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that but ladies and gentlemen without
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any further ado please welcome to my
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fellow Americans the Anarchy Jewish man
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himself mr. Yakov Marco Marco
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yeah cough thank you for joining thank
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you for having it I’m really excited to
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have you on man um so yes so guys uh be
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sure to comment with your questions and
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thoughts and yaakov and I will tell you
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if you are right or wrong now Jakob this
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is your first time as a guest and the
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first question that I asked new guests
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whenever they come on in my show for the
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first time is how did you become in your
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case an anarchist have you always been
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an inner kiss was there this aha moment
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or kind of a gradual evolution tell us
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about that so I’m okay but to be honest
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my grandfather was born in Frankfurt
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on my father’s side my grandfather
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wasn’t one in Frankfurt in 1921 and they
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escaped Frankfurt they escaped Germany
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right before the war the Nonis
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citizenship anywhere they weren’t you
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know they were kind of they were in
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France they sort of may be a way to
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Israel and didn’t get any citizenship
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they didn’t none of them had citizenship
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until they eventually got citizenship
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from the British Palestinian citizenship
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from British my grandmother was actually
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born in in Jaffa Palestine in 1923 also
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didn’t have citizenship until she was
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maybe 18 or 19 or something like that so
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nationalism was never really something
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that you know that we had on my father’s
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side because shortly after 1948 after
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the socialist basically took over in
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Israel they said well you know my
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grandfather basically said we can’t do
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business here so let’s get that data
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here so they actually left when Israel
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was formed yes yeah yeah they were they
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were sort of on that you know you had
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people don’t realize but but there was
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sort of a civil war going on at that
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time also so they were part of the hey
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Ruth party it means freedom and that was
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basically the only free market party and
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obviously the Socialists won
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and so Israel became essentially a
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social
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this country communist almost communist
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it was it was pretty close to a
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communist country yeah yeah yeah not
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quite
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you know Soviet Communism but basically
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no recognition of property rights or you
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know no no enshrinement of rights like
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you have in the Bill of Rights in the
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Constitution nothing like that right
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they looked at that and they said well
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you know it’s time to leave so when they
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decided they wanted to move to Los
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Angeles that family in LA and so they
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moved to Canada my father was like five
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years old
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they moved to Canada and then eventually
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made their way to LA that’s interesting
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that’s interesting so my father’s side
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of the family also came to the u.s. from
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Canada and this would have been around
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it was earlier though it was around the
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late 1800s Early 1900s and some of them
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are still up in the in the Maritime
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Provinces up in the in the eastern
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provinces but uh but they came down and
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settled in Massachusetts where most of
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them are now we’re the ones that were
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the snowbirds that moved to Myrtle Beach
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but so yes that’s interesting so these
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were two stateless people or for a long
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time stateless people they settle in
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essentially their historical home our
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historical homeland and they go okay
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this is working out for us and then when
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people go great news we’re gonna make a
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Jewish state and also it’s gonna be
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communist like they’re like no no we’re
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out of here
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well the funniest part is that my
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grandmother’s family and you know I’ve
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been in Palestine for hundreds of years
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at least you know a lot of difference
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sort of that because we can’t race you
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know my my grandmother’s grandfather was
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a rabbi in Jerusalem and you know just
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goes back and back so yeah that’s funny
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it was the times I got a Jewish
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socialist state it’s not really a Jewish
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state you know it’s uh it’s a secular
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state with a Jewish majority population
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it’s a Jew flavored secular socialist
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state right like I resist there was a
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huge debate about even mentioning God in
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the founding charters and they they came
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to a settlement where they used a term
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that means the rock of that’s
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memories failing me now the rock of
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something and they were able to say well
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we meant God but then but then some of
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the people that signed off on it said we
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never signed off on God that was
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supposed to be like meaning our heritage
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and culture not not God so it was not a
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there’s been a lot of revision now to
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make it into this like that this was
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this biblical thing that happened in it
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really great don’t say put up his
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railing flags or celebrate Israel in
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much of any way a lot of Jews actually a
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lot of worth of knocks Jews in Israel
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don’t you know don’t celebrate you know
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Israeli Independence Day or right for
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this moment of silence or or what you
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know they don’t pay taxes is that
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actually pretty staunchly Orthodox
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anti-israel community in Israel refused
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to vote for the most part they refused
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to sign up to the military right yeah
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interesting but they’re still in Israel
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well okay yeah cuz I know there are the
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ones that I forget what their name is
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but I know there are a lot of them in
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like the Brooklyn New York area that
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believe that um that Jews aren’t even
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supposed to go back there until the
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mashiac until Messiah comes and but so
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these are just ones that are like we
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didn’t agree we we didn’t consent to any
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of this you know you came here and did
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your own thing and we just don’t want to
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be a part of it that’s funny
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Oh Jews don’t believe it’s not that they
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don’t believe that Jews should go back
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to live there it’s fine to go and live
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there but it’s they feel that it’s it’s
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incorrect to to create a Jewish state
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you know right create a political entity
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they can live there and be under they
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you know they were under the Turks and
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they were under British rule and right
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alright so but to create a to fight
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against the world and create a Jewish
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political entity that they feel is
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outside of the bounds of Judaism right
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right and this kind
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so from what I’ve read so there have
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been a lot of prominent Jewish
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anarchists there have also been a lot of
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prominent Jewish everythings but that
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just seems to be what we do but we tend
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to rise to prominence but it seems to me
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and incorrectly see I was going to say
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it but uh but uh you know it seems to me
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if you look at a people who are a tiny
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tiny tiny minority of people I mean
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you’re talking what like 50 million or
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less than 50 million Jews in a world and
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a planet of 7 billion people you know
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the the I mean to call them a minority
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is is almost a joke I mean they’re
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they’re they’re you know where they’re
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are so very very few of us and and then
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and then beyond that so many of us are
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over time you know mixed with other
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races and things like that so I mean
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there’s it’s you know we don’t it would
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be hard for us to create a a big
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national structure and when you look at
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the history of how we’ve been treated in
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other countries how what has happened in
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countries where the government has
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gotten bigger and bigger what almost
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inevitably results every time you would
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think that Jews should or I would think
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you can correct me if you’re if I’m
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wrong but if you’re if you disagree but
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it seems like you should be natural
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anarchists or at least natural
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libertarians and yet Jews by and large
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tend to vote for most people tend to
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vote for ever-increasing government but
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most Jews seem to be on the edge of the
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spear of voting for ever-increasing
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government you think of Bernie Sanders
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who is you know the the main figurehead
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of democratic socialism in the US and
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why do you think that is it’s it’s
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really odd and it actually makes no
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sense historically governments have
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never worked out for the Jews you know
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it’s just been it’s been a story of
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persecution for 2,000 years right right
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more even so so the idea that
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Jews are so trove statism exists it kind
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of boggles the mind you know you know
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the funny funny thing to note there are
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actually more US government employees
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than there are Jews in the world that
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doesn’t surprise me
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IIIi I’m sure I’m sure that’s I mean
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it’s just it’s absurd to me you you you
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look at even in biblical times if you if
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you even reading even reading that even
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the reading the Torah you it’s just one
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story after the next of a larger nation
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coming in and the Jews having to fight
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to overcome them and then and then after
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that you know historically they stopped
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being able to overcome them and had to
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kind of scatter out and and make their
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way the best they could and I’m just
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thinking like how would you not come out
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of that saying that we do better just
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having voluntary interactions with
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people who want to associate with us and
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not being a so forced into association
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with people who at some times the
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majority of whom either are ambivalent
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to us or outright hate us it just it
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makes it makes zero sense to me what you
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know and again oh go ahead
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it’s a fairly new development throughout
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history Jews have mostly been pretty
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anarchist you know when they were in the
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Soviet Union you know they were doing
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things underground the black market
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having Jewish schools and you know
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whatever they needed to do kosher food
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they had to everything had to be black
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market it was very anarchist and then
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prior to that before under the Tsar’s
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they were essentially underground and
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black market and anarchist and beyond
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that and so on and so forth actually the
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story of Purim is that come on the the
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antagonist and that story he his
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complaint against the Jews is that they
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follow their own laws they don’t follow
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the laws of the King they have their own
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holidays they do their own thing they
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don’t pay taxes it’s right right yeah
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and and and I mean if you look at I mean
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so the Jews they have their there
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rabbinical laws and they have their
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Rabbinate that is you know telling him
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telling them how to live by it and they
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know we want a king and so there’s a
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whole part of the Bible which is the
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folly of demanding a king and all the
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terrible things that come as a result of
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that well it’s right there I mean like
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literally if you’re a religious Jew it’s
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right there telling you don’t do this
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and and yet here we are III I don’t get
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I I think some of it might have to do
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with the cabooses and the fact that
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they’re like basically communes but
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they’re voluntary communes and they
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still have a inherent respect for
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private property because even if they
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themselves are sharing all of their
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stuff in common and I don’t know what
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kibbutz is or at least traditional
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kibbutz is how much private property is
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even allowed but they are inherently
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respecting the fact that outside of
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their kibbutz are people that either are
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in their own kibbutz –iz or are just
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doing their own thing and not in a
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kibbutz and they respect that they
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aren’t trying to take their private
18:38
property and say you know your attempt
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to own this property is theft um
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now maybe you know more than more than
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me on this dukkha Boots’s have any level
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of like private ownership or is it just
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everything is shared in common or does
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it vary there their whole difference
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right very good as a know my mother
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actually when she was a kid her parents
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were socialists actually card-carrying
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social New York socialists and they’d
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but they’re gonna go and join a kibbutz
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really staunch you know communists to
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boots in Israel I forget the name of it
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but it’s one of the more extreme ones
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and they lived there for about a year
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and this is one of the very extreme ones
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where you know you have no there’s no
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self ownership even where right my
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mother and her sister were not they
19:31
didn’t live with their parents they
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lived in a in a children’s barracks and
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oh wow their parents weren’t allowed to
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show them any more attention or
19:40
affection than they showed to any of the
19:41
other children in the Google it was a
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really hardcore Wow Ian essentially dad
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so very quickly they came back to the
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states back to the
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literally never mentioned communism
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again cured them of any interest in in
19:58
communism whatsoever well and the thing
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I mean that’s the the final cat’s the
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logical conclusion is your children
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aren’t yours they belong to the people
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quote unquote
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and I mean you look at Apple though most
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of the most like you puts him in Israel
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are much more like you said you know
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just so their joint ownership of the
20:18
area and everybody kind of works
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together but it’s not well and that’s
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what I was thinking because I’ve seen
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some people refer to some of these um
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these settlements as kibbutz is and I’m
20:28
like I see shops and I see like this
20:32
looks maybe there’s some shared
20:34
ownership and some of them but it didn’t
20:36
look very kaput see to me but but I
20:38
assume that it was probably that there’s
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there’s variation between them it’s it’s
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just i but but that’s perfect example
20:46
you say I want real communism so you go
20:49
and experience in real communism then
20:50
you come back and never were these were
20:53
they still socialists after that or they
20:54
just won’t even talk yeah that’s the
20:59
best the best it’s about it’s actually
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it’s like a vaccine you get to live
21:02
socialism and then it makes you immune
21:05
to wanting it ever again that is a plea
21:07
card-carrying socialists that’s ya know
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exactly now it’s kind of chic and cool
21:17
and you wear your Che Guevara shirt but
21:18
back then I mean they were looking for
21:21
hammers and sickles you know hidden ones
21:23
on cakes and stuff and you know
21:25
blackballing people for um so like I had
21:28
mentioned you know Jews make up some of
21:30
the most prominent people across the
21:31
board you have you know marks on the
21:33
Communist side you have someone like a
21:34
Rothbard on the on the on the I guess
21:37
anarcho-capitalist side you’ve got you
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know on the chicago school side you’ve
21:41
got Friedman and I mean you could do
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this all day long
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um yeah one Mises you’ve got all these
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people
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hey so then I guess I guess the question
21:50
how much better are we than the non us
21:56
how much better are we how much better
22:01
whatever whatever metric you want to use
22:03
like you know like how many how many
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tiles does it take to makin us actually
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answer that well I mean you know a
22:17
ballpark ballpark you know we’re a
22:30
Turkish right so everything comes down
22:32
to the individual right there are good
22:33
people and there are bad people there
22:34
are some fantastic Jews out there and
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there’s some pretty horrible Jews out
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there right uh my brother was a prison
22:43
chaplain for a while and he he was out
22:46
in Tennessee or somewhere over there
22:49
visiting Jewish prisoners and he talked
22:52
to this guy who was a serial killer in
22:55
the 80s who killed like 89 people or
22:57
something know like the guy was Jewish
23:00
but that doesn’t you know nobody except
23:06
but he is but he excelled at being a
23:10
murderer oh sure he was great at it
23:12
right so he’s overachiever getting
23:15
caught though oh well yeah well I mean
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you know that you killed that many
23:19
people eventually eventually someone
23:21
catches up to you so that was a very
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diplomatic answer the correct answer is
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actually seven seven oh yes seven um so
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yeah no that’s okay um so we’ve been
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talking a little bit about Israel
23:33
already I’m gonna take a wild stab and
23:35
say that you would not consider yourself
23:37
a Zionist is that correct correct what
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is your thought it’s so that that’s what
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I was gonna say what in in in terms of
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because I have some thoughts on this but
23:50
I want to get yours first what is your
23:52
thoughts
23:53
we’re anarchists so when people say to
23:55
me do you support the Israeli state I’m
23:57
like I don’t support any state and
23:59
they’re like yeah but what about that
24:01
one and I’m like also that one like I
24:04
don’t you know I don’t I don’t support
24:06
in terms of I don’t want to lead you on
24:10
too much what what would you what are
24:12
your thoughts regarding Israel and the
24:14
Jewish people in the Holy Land and all
24:16
of that stuff I
24:19
I actually lived in Israel for a little
24:20
while okay and you know it’s a beautiful
24:23
country I have a lot I feel a lot of
24:25
personal connection there I have a lot
24:27
of you know family history there
24:28
obviously mm-hmm
24:31
technically I’m a Palestinian citizen
24:33
technically I’m an Israeli citizen
24:36
technically I’m a US citizen technically
24:38
I’m a Canadian citizen
24:39
no wow yeah actually have my Canadian
24:45
citizenship papers here but those are
24:48
all just citizenship designations that’s
24:50
just a government that claims ownership
24:52
right right
24:53
so I couldn’t care less about those
24:55
things as far as I’m concerned I mean I
24:57
like the idea of having these multiple
24:59
citizenships because it’s a dilutions
25:01
but other than that you know let them
25:04
fight over me right but other than that
25:05
I couldn’t care less about any of them
25:08
you know I’m no more I’m no more Israeli
25:11
than I’m Canadian or American these are
25:13
all just made up or Palestinian all of
25:15
these are made up political entities
25:19
that are connected to some criminal gang
25:22
that that wants to control my life right
25:25
right right
25:25
they’re all bright sure yeah but it’s
25:28
fine ISM is concerned the idea of sign
25:31
is the original like religious ideas
25:34
ioan ism of a Jew wanting to you know
25:38
feeling a yearning to return to their
25:39
homeland and live in the place of our
25:41
forefathers you know that’s that’s
25:45
something I feel although I won’t really
25:48
do it simply because I absolutely
25:50
despised Israeli government right sure
25:53
yeah and that’s so that’s sort of where
25:57
I am when people ask me you know so of
25:58
course I live in the south and so the
26:01
two main things you hear from Christians
26:06
in the South when you say that you’re
26:07
Jewish are actually two things one thing
26:12
is well oh my savior’s a Jew which I
26:15
used to be like really and then after a
26:17
while I’m like you know what that’s
26:18
actually that’s your thing and it’s
26:19
important to you and good I’m you know
26:21
I’m happy for you and and thank you I
26:23
get that it they actually mean well by
26:25
the second thing is oh wow I’m a very
26:27
strong supporter of Israel right and I’m
26:30
like okay and then they they’re like
26:32
you know their body they want to hear
26:34
what I have to say about it and they’re
26:35
like what do you think about you know
26:37
what’s his name the head of the Hamas or
26:41
what do you think about that huh about
26:44
Hamas or what do you think about
26:46
Netanyahu or what do you think I’ll just
26:48
be like yeah you know and again it’s how
26:50
you know do I want it like black pill
26:53
this person or am I just trying to have
26:55
a nice conversation out you know Kroger
26:57
and and so I’ll just be like Cobras are
27:00
store by the way um I’ll I don’t know if
27:03
you haven’t but I’ll just be like you
27:05
know most of time I’m just like yeah you
27:06
know it’s really terrible what’s going
27:07
on over there and I I just hope that
27:09
they can you know work things out but
27:10
the longer answer is what you were
27:12
saying is like you know these are
27:14
criminal gangs of people and whatever
27:16
you know critical things you want to say
27:19
about Hamas which are valid things that
27:21
you want to say can pretty much for the
27:22
most part be said about Israel or the US
27:25
or Italy I mean you can you these are
27:28
our gangs of people who are using sheets
27:32
of paper that they wrote on or someone
27:33
else wrote on and then stealing money
27:35
from you to hire XTC students to point
27:39
guns at you and and shout out to the C
27:42
students that you know to point guns at
27:45
you and force you to do what it says on
27:48
the sheet of paper while they ignore it
27:49
almost completely and but am i a
27:53
scientist to the extent that you know
27:57
the idea of Jews going back to you know
28:00
their historic homeland and you know
28:02
forming voluntary communities to to
28:06
where they can feel safer than where
28:08
they historically have felt in in other
28:10
times yeah I’m all I’m all for that but
28:13
I I I’m like you like III don’t
28:16
particularly want to go there a because
28:19
I think what’s going on over there is
28:20
insane and I I don’t want in going there
28:23
to be seen as condoning that and then
28:28
and and I mean it’s bad enough I live in
28:30
the US where I’m essentially you know
28:33
implicitly participating in what the US
28:36
government does but yeah I don’t I don’t
28:39
it’s very interesting and do you do you
28:41
find that like when people who don’t
28:44
already know your situation when they
28:46
hear your
28:47
they’re like shocked if they find out
28:50
that you’re not like this so much is
28:51
real supporter yeah that was my next
28:58
question
28:58
yeah one of my one of my lines is you
29:05
know when I want to troll people a
29:06
little bit as I say I’d like to see
29:08
illegal Jewish I’m sorry
29:10
illegal Mexican settlements in Gaza I
29:14
like that they convert to Judaism
29:18
they’ll build it so go they just come
29:21
over
29:23
well they’ll be I mean they’ll build
29:25
them in ten seconds I’ll tell you so I
29:28
mean back home which you know South
29:31
Carolina we’re all we’re against those
29:32
illegals were against those illegals and
29:34
yet everywhere I look there’s an illegal
29:35
building something or I presume in an
29:38
illegal I I shouldn’t do that but uh I
29:41
mean anyway so back home a paving
29:46
project takes the better part of a week
29:48
like you know taking up the old pavement
29:51
and putting now it’s like a few days
29:52
here in Toronto you know the community
29:56
we live in here has taken on a paving
29:58
project and it’s like it’s into month
30:01
two and and we’re and we’re having to
30:04
take out the communities having to take
30:06
out a loan because of some unexpected
30:07
it’s flat like there aren’t any hills
30:10
here like it’s just paving and uh and
30:12
and it’s you know it’s union labor it’s
30:15
Canadian Union labor and I occasionally
30:18
see them working and I’m like man back
30:21
home this already be done and it would
30:24
have cost even after the conversion rate
30:28
from Canadian to you it would have cost
30:30
a fraction and it’s because of
30:32
essentially Greg if not black market
30:34
then gray market activity that’s getting
30:37
around all of the different regulations
30:38
and and you know wage laws and
30:40
everything else and saying now we’re
30:41
just gonna do it cheaper with all these
30:42
Mexicans that’ll do it or I shouldn’t
30:44
say that I don’t know that they’re
30:46
Mexican I don’t know these these
30:50
suspiciously undocumented persons who
30:53
are you know building this stuff in a
30:55
matter of you know seconds to the to the
30:57
hour compared to to you know to
30:59
other people and and and it’s it’s
31:01
interesting that people will easily
31:04
benefit from illegal activity and then
31:09
turn around and like vote for a wall or
31:11
you know vote for you know these can’t
31:14
these internment camps essentially that
31:16
they’re building to you know to deal
31:18
with to deal with the other recipe
31:22
what’s that yeah and yeah yeah yeah and
31:28
they go out to restaurants where do you
31:30
think it and obviously it’s cognitive
31:32
dissonance but where do you think that
31:35
let me ask you this because you you
31:37
mentioned something you said that you
31:39
didn’t realize you were an anarchist was
31:41
there ever a point where you thought you
31:42
were a conservative or a progressive or
31:45
anything like that or but actually you
31:55
know outside of a grocery store or
31:57
something like that and said oh I’m
31:58
registered to vote so I actually
31:59
registered as an independent and at that
32:04
point I already had very libertarian
32:05
views but by the time I was yeah by the
32:10
time I was 18 I think I already could
32:11
that forum consider myself a libertarian
32:15
wasn’t really into the Libertarian Party
32:18
per se but as far as the libertarian
32:20
philosophy that was something that I I
32:22
connected to okay and then as I as I got
32:26
more and more educated I found I found
32:30
Luke von Mises and Murray Rothbard and
32:33
write up and started realize okay yeah
32:37
that’s what I yeah yeah then I worked
32:38
for it but but but yeah I was just sort
32:43
of I was I was always anti-authoritarian
32:46
I stopped standing for the national
32:47
anthem when I was in second grade my
32:50
mother was a teacher in this school also
32:52
got you know got a little bit of trouble
32:54
but you know managed to circumvent all
32:58
of that and and I kept it up and that
33:01
was it last time I ever stood for the
33:02
national anthem was like second grade
33:04
and I just you know I always thought to
33:08
myself you know this whole or not the
33:11
national anthem the Pledge of Allegiance
33:12
but yeah
33:13
Pledge of Allegiance hey you know in
33:15
school myself what is this nonsense I’m
33:19
pledging allegiance to to like a flag
33:21
you know this cloth and right this room
33:24
thick and my people you know if I’m a
33:28
religious Jew why would I pledge
33:30
allegiance to anybody but God you know
33:32
and so that kind of that was my thought
33:35
process in second grade I was like this
33:37
doesn’t make any sense so I’m not gonna
33:38
do it and I was always very hard-headed
33:41
so so I just stopped well in that in
33:44
death I think that kids intuitively get
33:47
it cuz we always used to I was
33:48
home-schooled part of my time in school
33:50
and then and then school in public
33:52
schools when I was in public schools all
33:53
I remember about the Pledge of
33:55
Allegiance was like kids giggling and
33:57
that’s when people would throw stuff at
33:58
each other because the teachers facing
34:00
the flag and like you know like we
34:02
didn’t really I think you intuitively
34:04
get that this is kind of a joke right
34:06
like it’s like I love you flag I mean it
34:10
was a repetition year after year after
34:13
year it in grains in you you know people
34:17
if you go to a football game
34:19
don’t gone you know people stand for
34:22
that anthem and it’s like you know if
34:26
you’re sitting down I’ve had this happen
34:29
it’s not my thing but somewhere you know
34:32
yes like oh hey they’re doing the
34:34
national anthem I’m gonna just pull my
34:36
phone out and check Facebook or whatever
34:39
right right
34:40
like there’s something wrong with you
34:43
you know yeah yeah I saw and the thing
34:47
is like I’m not cuz they’re people that
34:48
they want to scream during the anthem
34:50
and say like oh you’re a bunch of
34:51
bootlegger to me I’m just like that’s
34:53
their thing and if someone wants to
34:55
gives me a hard problem a hard time for
34:57
not doing it then that’s when it’s sort
34:59
of like if I wouldn’t if I went to
35:00
someone’s you know church or someone’s
35:03
mosque or whatever and they started
35:04
praying and I’m not gonna like this is
35:08
stupid I don’t believe in this like you
35:09
know like then then you know I’m just
35:12
sort of out of like kind of a
35:14
combination of respect and and and
35:17
unnecessary confrontation avoidance I’m
35:20
just like yeah you do your thing so
35:21
we’ve got a couple questions really
35:23
there is one so what’s that it is a
35:27
yeah yeah it is so we got a couple of
35:30
really serious questions
35:31
Aaron Nakamoto asks are you an ATF agent
35:35
iron yes any an ATF agent nice that’s
35:44
good
35:45
that’s good no I mean I’m already if I’m
35:47
not being watched and someone is
35:48
slacking so I’m not even really worried
35:50
about I’m live on multiple venues but in
35:52
public if I’m not being watched and DHS
35:56
has failed all of you Matt right asked
36:00
what vape are you using what babe this
36:03
is the ovn s JC 0 1 and it’s essentially
36:07
a dual compatible battery and you just
36:14
talk to pops in there and that’s it and
36:16
it’s basically double the size battery
36:17
so that’s what I’m using ok
36:20
hopefully the AC zero one okay good yeah
36:24
Matt does vape so he actually knows what
36:27
any of that meant that you just said um
36:29
so that’s good so ok so this is the the
36:37
awkward and inappropriate time to plug
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37:23
but I wanted to get your thoughts about
37:26
I usually try to come up with some kind
37:28
of the incredibly corny segue to go in
37:31
and out of that but I just couldn’t be
37:32
bothered for this episode I’m just
37:35
chilling um but um so I wanted to get
37:37
your thoughts on crypto this kind of a
37:39
interesting time to talk about crypt
37:40
it’s back on the rise again after a year
37:44
of everyone going home crypto is a joke
37:46
and now we’re back on what’s probably
37:49
gonna I think be another moon shot but I
37:54
wanted to get your thoughts on Krypto
37:56
obviously you’re an anarchist do you
37:58
think that Krypto is the future of
38:02
currency like the crypto advocates say
38:07
it is do you think it’s just gonna
38:08
occupy a space in the world of finance
38:11
or do you think it’s a fad like like
38:14
pogs or bottle caps or whatever I think
38:20
that it’s absolutely the future is never
38:26
going back in I think it’s like you know
38:29
people that may say it they’re sort of
38:31
like Krugman talking about the Internet
38:34
that’s a good thing the fact the fax
38:37
machine actually sent somebody a friend
38:41
that was out here he wanted you wanted
38:43
to he had to do some kind of trade I
38:46
forget what the details were exactly so
38:48
he just needed a bunch of Bitcoin just
38:52
very quickly so he so I sent them some
38:56
Bitcoin and he was trying to send me
38:58
cash for it you know US dollars for it
39:01
right and he to go to his bank and stand
39:05
in line for you know 20 minutes and go
39:07
talk to a person and do a bunch of
39:09
signatures and get a cashier’s check and
39:11
get a whole bunch of you know do a whole
39:13
bunch of paperwork and deal with three
39:15
different people and jump back in his
39:17
car and drive across town to go to my
39:19
bank and deposit it and stand in line
39:21
over there and the whole thing right you
39:23
know took half his day and then you know
39:27
he’s the part of this positive this
39:28
cashier’s check in to my account that’s
39:30
not a personal check it’s a cashier’s
39:32
check but it still takes you know
39:34
whatever it is 24 hours or something
39:36
right and cleared right now and and I’m
39:40
you know thinking about this situation
39:41
and here I sent him you know X number of
39:46
Bitcoin and it’s in it’s in his wallet
39:49
20 minutes later right right you know
39:52
Ferb
39:54
nothing for you know maybe you know 70
39:56
cent or dollar transaction fee and and
40:01
that’s it that’s that’s the whole
40:02
transaction and he had to go and pay $25
40:06
for a cashier’s check
40:07
all of this rigmarole for you know to
40:11
accomplish essentially the same thing
40:13
probably sending him and me money the
40:15
same transaction it’s just the other
40:17
side of it but so ridiculous and so the
40:20
idea that the old system is is somehow
40:25
better than cryptocurrency is just
40:28
insane yeah I’m not sure if I so I I
40:32
wouldn’t say and I by the way I agree
40:34
with you I’m not sure the argument is
40:35
that the old way is better quote-unquote
40:38
I think it’s two arguments one is that
40:40
government is going to you know make
40:43
fiat be what you use and then the other
40:46
argument is that you know cryptocurrency
40:50
even though a specific currency can have
40:53
a fixed amount you can also copy that
40:57
block code and you know make essentially
41:00
a million different bitcoins or or make
41:02
your own blockchain and you know make
41:05
whatever so it’s it’s sort of de facto
41:06
unlimited but what is your small there
41:09
are essentially zero value and and the
41:17
government can try to say that you know
41:20
you can only use our currency and you
41:22
know make other currencies illegal and
41:24
so on for example they just brought back
41:26
this in Bob way dollar and made there
41:29
was a period of time where
41:30
cryptocurrency was fine in Zimbabwe and
41:32
all there was a group of different
41:34
currencies that were fine in Zimbabwe
41:35
right now they actually just brought
41:38
back this in Bob Wade dollar and Maine
41:39
cryptocurrency legal well cryptocurrency
41:41
being illegal in Zimbabwe what do you
41:44
think is the first thing that happened
41:45
everybody we ran out and dumped whatever
41:48
they had in Bitcoin right well
41:51
especially if the alternative is the
41:52
Zimbabwean dollar for those who don’t
41:55
know the history of that at one point uh
41:58
the Zimbabwean dollar put it well I
42:03
don’t even know if anyone will be more
42:04
collapsed
42:07
yeah it was worth nothing like it was
42:12
worth less than a fraction of a fraction
42:15
of a percent of the cost of making it it
42:18
was what it was it made it made the the
42:22
Weimar Republic Franks look like our
42:25
Deutsche marks look like Swiss francs or
42:28
something I mean it just it made it look
42:29
like it was just an absolute joke of a
42:32
currency Venezuela’s currency is still
42:34
consumed arkad ly better than Zimbabwe
42:36
Slauson yeah I know I’m sure every I’m
42:38
sure everyone is an illegal holder of
42:41
Bitcoin and in Zimbabwe now let me ask
42:43
you this um so there are competing
42:46
theories on on the few for those who do
42:48
think cryptocurrency as a future the one
42:51
is that and I don’t know how you feel
42:54
about this so I I don’t want to I don’t
42:56
want to portray too much how I think so
42:58
I’ll try to I’ll try to say this and
43:00
sound sound unbiased but one is that
43:04
there’s going to be all these competing
43:07
currencies and that you know bitcoins
43:11
going to be used for this thing but that
43:14
they’re gonna be certain currencies that
43:16
have very generalized purposes so you’ll
43:20
only use it for X like you know pot we’d
43:23
coin or whatever that’s what you’ll use
43:25
if I want to buy weed yeah I maximalism
43:28
so what what are you what are your
43:30
thoughts on I think that by definition
43:37
money is something which benefits from
43:41
the greatest the money let me think how
43:44
to phrase this the best money is the one
43:48
that has the biggest network effect
43:50
alright so right now in the world the
43:52
best money is the best money to use is
43:55
the US dollar because you can use it
43:57
almost anywhere there handful of places
43:59
that refuse to accept it but right most
44:02
part you can and it’s the world’s trade
44:04
and reserve currency right and that’s
44:06
Network at that I think that Bitcoin
44:09
will have the greatest network effect so
44:13
you don’t see you know you want me to go
44:15
into why I can go
44:17
yeah I’m sure yeah I mean as much as you
44:19
want to delve into that absolutely
44:21
I mean for perceptual reasons simply
44:28
because it already does have the the
44:30
most network effect it’s the first it’s
44:33
Bitcoin and everything else is an
44:35
altcoin
44:35
and so deciding between which altcoin to
44:38
use versus you know the one that has
44:41
what is it forty to sixty percent of the
44:43
market right now right right I think
44:46
that there are multiple layers solutions
44:49
being built on top of Bitcoin that it
44:51
will make it much more functional you
44:53
know people have a problem with it being
44:56
slow although it’s not really that slow
44:59
let me actually address that you know
45:02
how long it takes to get a to clear a
45:05
PayPal transaction longer than Bitcoin
45:09
but but no I don’t know offhand you you
45:12
send me your PayPal address and I send
45:14
you money how long does it take for you
45:15
to actually hide oh and like in my bank
45:19
account
45:19
oh like three to five days like really
45:22
got it
45:23
yeah like three to five days or
45:24
something like that six months
45:28
really he cut yeah sure
45:30
because I can send it to you and you can
45:34
have it and you can spend it in theory
45:36
but if I go back and dispute the charge
45:40
PayPal can pull that out of your account
45:43
and you don’t actually have it until six
45:46
months of past so it’s essentially it’s
45:49
loaned to you for six months right right
45:54
like for example when you when you have
45:56
a you have a bank account and I write
46:02
you a check and you go and deposit that
46:03
check in here account now it hasn’t
46:05
cleared yet
46:06
but you can still go straight from the
46:08
bank it’s not going to clear till
46:09
tomorrow but you can go straight from
46:10
the bank and they clear you know thirty
46:12
percent of that check into your account
46:14
or X number of dollars whatever and you
46:16
can go and spend that even though
46:17
technically you don’t have it yet if the
46:19
check bounces then you have to pay that
46:22
money back right right right
46:23
that’s all it is it’s a loan so you
46:26
don’t actually have a completed
46:28
transaction with Bitcoin you have that
46:29
completed transaction in 20 minutes
46:32
right and then when you factor in like
46:34
fact frak
46:35
reserve banking which is like no one
46:37
really has the money and you know if
46:40
everyone came and got if even you know
46:41
what 20% of the people came and got
46:43
their money it would be this you know
46:44
massive crisis whereas a Bitcoin the
46:47
money was here
46:48
and now it’s over there and that’s the
46:51
100% of the amount of the money there so
46:52
it eliminates the whole all of the
46:55
inflationary effects that come from
46:56
fractional reserve banking or whatever
46:58
which is why you have central bankers
47:00
that hate it related oh yeah yeah so you
47:09
so you think that bitcoins gonna gonna
47:11
pretty much just dominate and and over
47:14
time there may still be smaller coins
47:17
but for the most part the bulk its gonna
47:19
dominate the market moving forward I’m
47:21
not a purist maximalist so I think that
47:24
I think that there are like for example
47:26
you know the dollar is the currency in
47:28
the United States right right right
47:29
but I also buy things with with credit
47:33
card points and you know all sorts of
47:35
other types of currency their use cases
47:38
for other types of things okay you know
47:40
yeah yeah so where those use cases apply
47:43
sure there will be other currencies I
47:45
think that I think that let’s let’s say
47:50
twenty years from now you might go into
47:51
a store and and look at the price on
47:54
something and that price is in Bitcoin
47:56
now once you get to the cash register
47:58
you might pay in you might pay in Manero
48:02
if you want to and you might pay in
48:04
Chase Sapphire points you know chase
48:07
unlimited points right right and I think
48:10
that those will all be I think that
48:12
Chase points will be on a blockchain and
48:14
I think that you know Amex points will
48:16
be on a blockchain I think that you’ll
48:17
be able to use those things
48:18
interchangeably with you know any other
48:21
currencies on you know a swap right
48:27
right right the the the merchants might
48:31
be getting paid in Bitcoin but you’re
48:33
paying in Chase points
48:38
blockchain is open right but the but the
48:41
actual the actual medium for exchange
48:43
will be Bitcoin I think that the I think
48:47
that pricing
48:48
it’s from being consistent right and
48:51
stable right yeah so having you know if
48:55
you go into this store in the end the
48:57
price of the bitcoin you go to the store
48:58
next door and the prices in aetherium
49:00
and you have to sit there and start
49:01
doing calculations right and keeping
49:04
track of a thousand different currencies
49:07
in order to know what the price of
49:08
anything is I think that’s that that
49:10
creates a market that’s very inefficient
49:12
and confusing yeah so I think that even
49:15
if a merchant wants to be paid in the
49:17
etherium they’ll still price everything
49:19
on their store shelves in Bitcoin and
49:21
you can still pay at the cash register
49:23
in Bitcoin it’s just that they’ll have a
49:25
swap to a theory and you know as it
49:28
comes into their wallet right right and
49:30
like even like even just having to
49:33
figure out two of them so like when we
49:35
were just in Niagara Falls a lot of
49:37
places have this much Canadian this much
49:40
American even that has people like well
49:44
I don’t well do you want to use our
49:47
American or Canadian and it’s like you
49:49
know and really they’re just basically
49:50
doing a little bit rougher version of
49:53
them well and that’s the thing so people
49:57
are trying to figure out you know
49:58
they’re going and like googling what
50:00
their banks exchange rate is to figure
50:03
out if they can and it’s you know for
50:04
like a fast food meal or something
50:06
you’re like they’re gonna save 6 cents
50:07
or whatever but but people do that
50:09
whereas you know now if you’ve got it
50:11
and especially when you’ve got these
50:13
coins and it’s gonna be down to like you
50:15
know the six decimal point and you’re
50:17
just trying you know like you said it’s
50:19
it’s gonna be to want but blocky to be
50:22
used on a mass scale for the average
50:24
consumer who’s just like I want it I
50:26
want to know what it costs so I can buy
50:29
it and then go about the rest of my day
50:31
we have a question we have a question
50:33
from Levi Markel who I don’t maybe
50:36
related who said he said what’s that
50:42
yeah he’s my cousin okay he asked what
50:46
actual value does crypto hold in a
50:48
permanent sense when compared to gold or
50:50
whatever what all value is subjective so
50:59
nothing really has any value until
51:01
somebody
51:02
he values it you know how much is a how
51:06
much value does gold have when you’re in
51:10
the desert and you’re dying of thirst
51:12
and somebody says I will sell you a
51:14
bottle of water for five gold coins and
51:19
that’s all you have I knew you’ll give
51:20
five gold coins no now right now that’s
51:25
$7,000 looking gold but it doesn’t
51:28
matter value our objective to the
51:29
situation into the individual so it
51:33
doesn’t really matter what whether it’s
51:34
gold or water or cryptocurrency right
51:37
right or like our future president
51:38
Marianne Williamson says value is
51:41
created when one helps another actualize
51:45
their potential which sounds
51:47
suspiciously like capitalism but anyway
51:49
um so yeah so that’s so speaking of
51:53
Bitcoin you can actually use Bitcoin to
51:56
purchase tickets to an Turco Vegas which
52:00
is coming up July 20th and 21st tell us
52:04
a little bit about Ann Turco Vegas you
52:05
said this is the first year there you
52:07
guys are doing this right this is the
52:08
first theater and we wanted to do
52:10
something you know locally in the states
52:13
where you know a lot of people find it
52:15
hard to go to things like cattle go
52:17
right you know you gotta have a passport
52:21
which cost money and the flights are
52:24
expensive and you know hotels and you
52:27
know the whole thing right so for a lot
52:31
of people that’s out of reach so we
52:33
wanted to do something where you know
52:34
Vegas is very cheap to fly to from
52:36
anywhere in the States tends to be it’s
52:40
pretty cheap to stay in then we thought
52:43
you know this is a fun city and people
52:47
can come and enjoy a weekend and hear a
52:50
bunch of speakers and learn something
52:51
and walk away with you know with
52:53
knowledge and connections and
52:55
relationships some people that they’ve
52:57
met without having to travel
52:59
international right very cool so whoo
53:02
what kind of like you have some speakers
53:05
booked already right yes
53:07
who are some of the people that you have
53:09
coming up for Ana pompeius so the full
53:12
speaker list is on the website Annika
53:14
Vegas calm but
53:16
we’ll have as far as like big names that
53:19
people might recognize we’ll have Larkin
53:21
rose and Griffin Jeff Berwick will be
53:24
speaking at Hanako Vegas we have a name
53:31
that a lot of people a lot of people
53:33
know him as though of the fifth column
53:34
and a lot of people know him as Justin
53:36
King and okay
53:39
both have you have you seen yeah I’ve
53:43
heard about the fifth column yeah have
53:45
you watched any of this stuff
53:47
not Reese I’ve got one that I could I
53:50
just remember that name and remember
53:52
watching something that someone shared
53:53
from him it’s funny he gets shared on
53:57
like now this and that’s like some
54:03
staunch Democratic page or you know
54:08
various things like that right all right
54:10
and he never uses the word anarchy but
54:13
at least not in his boat persona but
54:16
that’s smart though that’s right I yeah
54:20
amazing what what kind of effect he’s
54:23
having in the so the outside world you
54:26
know preaching instead of preaching to
54:28
the choir preaching to you know people
54:31
who see that there’s something wrong in
54:33
the world and can’t quite put their
54:36
finger on it because they are so
54:38
bombarded with propaganda but he kind of
54:41
he cuts right through it in an amazing
54:44
way
54:44
so he’ll be speaking this first time
54:46
publicly as both speaking as an
54:48
anarchist so that’s interesting come
54:52
we’ll have a crypto panel that sterling
54:56
Newham will be moderating well the media
55:01
panel that you know me Bravo will be
55:03
moderating an independent media pal and
55:08
we’ll have David Rodriguez speaking
55:11
about homeschooling and I’m schooling
55:13
nice and that’s one of my that’s one of
55:16
my favorite subjects there’s no Brian
55:18
Brian she’s fantastic
55:22
yeah I’ve heard of her as well
55:24
unschooling is one of my favorite
55:26
subjects I was didn’t realize it at the
55:29
time
55:30
but I was unschooled the last couple
55:32
years of high school when I had been
55:35
homeschooled previously my parents had
55:38
used religious home-school materials
55:41
because they were the easiest to find
55:42
and and then so it wasn’t markedly well
55:47
the the curriculum wasn’t markedly
55:48
different than what was that regular
55:50
public school the difference was that my
55:52
dad was taking me around and and like
55:56
showing me life and how things apply
55:58
that you know math applies to things and
55:59
science applies to things but the actual
56:01
curriculum was roughly the same the last
56:03
two years where they were printing my
56:05
dad was just pretty much keeping me out
56:07
of juvie because none of the high
56:08
schools in our county would take me um
56:10
he was pretty it was a lot more of a of
56:14
a relaxed way of teaching that it looks
56:17
like these are the things that the state
56:18
requires you to learn and so we’re gonna
56:20
learn those things but we’re not going
56:22
to use like a set curriculum to do that
56:25
and and it worked way better and it
56:27
prepared me for that was the same time
56:29
that I was telling you I started a web
56:30
design company that had me in the same
56:32
mindset where it was like oh wow I can
56:35
apply this stuff and make money from it
56:37
you know classic jus my dad’s teaching
56:39
me like how things can make money for me
56:41
and I’m like oh so I could actually
56:42
start making money from this and whereas
56:45
I think if I had been in school during
56:46
that time in public school during that
56:48
time I’d have been you know now you go
56:51
to college now you go to post-grad now
56:54
you become doctor lawyer did philosopher
56:58
whatever you become whatever hopefully
56:59
something I could actually make money
57:01
and I’m grateful that I was so bad in
57:04
9th and 10th grade that the schools
57:06
wouldn’t take me because that allowed me
57:08
to to be kind of set up to be more
57:10
independent were you so were you public
57:12
school or homeschooled er uh well my
57:16
mother was a schoolteacher oh that’s
57:19
right yeah you told me that you told me
57:20
that yeah though so we were enrolled in
57:23
school and we physically went to school
57:26
but most of my education came from
57:30
basically at home but not in a home
57:33
schooling you know structured curriculum
57:34
sort of way right but but just in the
57:37
sense that my parents you know my father
57:40
was my father’s very scholarly and
57:41
always encouraged learning
57:44
we had a house full of books we didn’t
57:45
have a television in the house so we
57:47
read a lot and much of my education came
57:51
from 13 words that my parents would tell
57:53
me when we’d ask them the question they
57:55
would say let’s go to the library and
57:57
see if there’s a book about it yes and
58:00
so we’d go to the library and you know
58:02
five kids we’d pilot to the station
58:04
wagon and come back at that time you
58:06
were allowed to check out five books at
58:07
a time and we’d come back home with 25
58:10
books five each and the librarians
58:13
didn’t believe that we were actually you
58:15
know reading five books in the you know
58:18
in the water I think was two weeks time
58:20
period that we had them and you know it
58:25
was funny because we actually didn’t
58:27
read you know but I would check out five
58:29
books and my brother would check out
58:30
five books and so on and so forth right
58:33
we weren’t reading five books I would
58:35
finish my books and then I can go and
58:36
read his books right right
58:38
and so we just we read a lot and so
58:42
that’s where my education really came
58:43
from yeah yeah it’s interesting this is
58:47
our childhood seem like they parallel a
58:49
lot because here’s another thing so my
58:52
my mom is incredibly bright she’s not
58:54
and she’d be the first one to say she’s
58:56
not very she has things that interest
58:59
her but she’s not like me or like you
59:01
were it’s like you sort of want to learn
59:03
all these different things she’s not so
59:05
much like that so when I would ask her
59:06
stuff she would say and she didn’t know
59:07
she’d go I don’t know let’s go find out
59:10
and she’d take me to the library and we
59:12
would and you know I’m also a
59:14
pre-internet kid and you know we check
59:16
out books and and or I’d sometimes stay
59:18
there for quite a while and breed stuff
59:20
there when the internet happened I
59:23
turned into a total nerd because I
59:25
didn’t care about the rest of these
59:26
losers at all now I could literally just
59:29
stay at home and and you know and and
59:31
you know learn stuff at the speed of a
59:32
dial-up connection and and it was
59:35
incredible but um so one of the things
59:37
in your one of the things you’re
59:39
featuring in the and we’ve only loosely
59:43
mentioned him before your head you have
59:45
a free Ross Albright or Oh Brooke not
59:49
sure how you say that thing that’s
59:52
happening during that and then I think
59:54
you have you’re gonna have Ross’s Russ’s
59:57
is that
59:57
mother there yeah Lin is his mother yeah
60:00
yeah tell us about Russ Oh break it is
60:02
it all brighter oberek I think it’s over
60:06
it yeah I think it isn’t well we’ve
60:09
mentioned it briefly on this show and
60:11
we’ve mentioned him a couple times on
60:13
the show I co-host with Matt right muddy
60:15
waters of freedom give us a little
60:18
primer on Ross Ulbricht and Russ
60:20
ohlbrecht and just the absolute travesty
60:22
that of what’s what’s happened to him so
60:26
so to start with he he created a website
60:30
where people could securely conduct
60:33
trade any kind of trade I mean right
60:35
some chairs or whatever you could sell
60:38
anything on on that marketplace but it
60:41
was secure and and identities were were
60:47
very well hidden and so on and so was
60:49
essentially a drug marketplace now Ross
60:51
himself was just a webmaster right and
60:56
he ran the site and they somehow a
61:02
couple of federal agents were able to
61:06
infiltrate and they busted him and he
61:09
went to prison for conspiracy to you
61:12
know to money launderer and conspiracy
61:15
to try remember exactly what the charges
61:19
were but it was you know basically you
61:20
know drug dealing and money laundering
61:21
and stuff like that which I like every
61:23
like every single crime of Commerce
61:26
technically they could put on him right
61:28
but but actually ever committed any of
61:30
those crimes that’s the same and not
61:34
only he hadn’t committed any of those
61:36
crimes be they’re actually laws in place
61:38
that protect webmasters from crimes that
61:42
are committed by people on their website
61:43
right example if you’re if you’re
61:45
Craigslist and somebody is doing you
61:49
know human trafficking and prostitution
61:50
on your site you’re not liable for what
61:54
your users did so that actually laws
61:55
about that right that and that’s the
61:58
thing so I mean if he’s in jail because
62:01
he’s in jail for like the rest of his
62:02
life right essentially yeah I mean
62:05
unless he’s pardoned or you know the
62:07
appeal or whatever but I mean he’s hit
62:09
as the sentencing stands he’ll never
62:10
he’ll never
62:11
see freedom again and you’ve got and in
62:15
my mind like you said Craigslist
62:17
Backpage up here what’s it called that’s
62:20
big here it’s like the Canadian Kijiji
62:22
um there’s so much a-league Facebook
62:25
sure i I have seen people post weed in
62:29
Facebook marketplace why is Mark
62:32
Zuckerberg not going to jail for this
62:34
now of course he like just like with
62:36
rust mark has absolutely nothing to do
62:38
with that or going even further
62:40
you know if someone sells something and
62:42
misrepresents it in on Amazon why would
62:47
Jeff Bezos not then you know get a
62:48
racketeering charge for you know
62:50
conspiracy to defraud people why do you
62:54
think that the reason my theory is that
62:56
the reason they came after him so hard
62:58
is because it was so they had such a
63:00
hard time for so long
63:02
infiltrating it as opposed to Craigslist
63:04
where you just basically sit there and
63:05
wait for someone stupid enough to say
63:07
hey you want to buy crack or whatever
63:09
and and this was like it was more
63:11
difficult do you think there’s more to
63:13
order you think it was just that he made
63:14
a better website so he’s spending the
63:16
rest of his life in prison for it it was
63:18
stuff it was so effective that they I
63:22
believe they felt they had to make an
63:24
example out of the Silk Road in order to
63:27
scare off anybody from doing that and I
63:31
mean interestingly enough as as soon as
63:34
he was arrested people started working
63:36
on Silk Road – and that went up but
63:39
pretty much months later a couple months
63:42
later right right look
63:44
– went up and then that guy got arrested
63:47
and I think he’s already out and then so
63:52
probe three went up and an IV I mean
63:54
there were other people that were
63:55
arrested for sites like this and none of
63:59
them got anywhere near that sort of
64:02
sentence you know they just wanted to
64:03
make a an example out of Ross to the
64:07
point where his trial can barely even be
64:10
considered a trial you know there’s such
64:12
a kangaroo trial actually the the the
64:16
two federal agents that were involved in
64:19
in infiltrating and arresting him those
64:22
two agents were arrested them
64:24
dolls actually on corruption and you
64:29
know stealing money and you know the
64:31
whole the whole thing was just such a
64:33
just such a screw-up yeah and they were
64:37
not allowed to point out any of that in
64:39
Ross’s trial you know and they had these
64:43
these agents had access to they had men
64:46
access to to the site you know what I
64:49
mean when I say root access right yeah
64:51
yeah yeah yeah they could falsified any
64:54
of the evidence that was presented you
64:57
know
64:57
that’s incredible it’s incredible and
65:00
again like you said other people have
65:01
been making it since then and haven’t
65:04
gotten nearly the charges when they’ve
65:05
been caught it’s it stinks to hell from
65:09
what I’ve read I’m like half of it was
65:12
yes he made something so effective that
65:14
it made it really really really a lot
65:16
easier to sell drugs online and sell
65:20
prostitution and whatever other
65:21
voluntary commerce that consenting
65:24
adults want to engage in that are that’s
65:26
illegal
65:26
it made it a lot easier for a while at
65:29
least but I think some of it was just
65:31
stuff specific to him like you said
65:34
corrupt cops and everything else it’s
65:35
it’s absolutely ridiculous so you guys
65:37
are having I guess a benefit to to to
65:41
free him and I know there’s a petition
65:43
attached tell us a little bit about what
65:45
you guys are doing and so essentially
65:48
with the free Ross party there’s well
65:53
that’s included and you know if you buy
65:55
a ticket to Vegas you go to the party
65:57
you know we have our event basically the
66:01
same day the same weekend as Freedom
66:04
Fest so if any Freedom Fest attendees
66:06
want to after Freedom Fest ends on
66:08
Saturday they want to come Saturday
66:10
night to the party it’s a thirty dollar
66:12
donation we’re just basically gonna
66:15
cover our costs for the location and you
66:18
know cleaning costs and whatever
66:20
purchases we have to do and then after
66:21
that everything goes to Lynn I think
66:27
actually somebody’s donating some really
66:30
cool custom like one-off merchandise
66:34
that will be auctioned nice for
66:38
for that also so I haven’t seen it yet
66:41
but but should from what I hear it’s
66:44
some pretty cool stuff so that’s worth
66:46
checking out so yeah somebody’s that
66:47
freedom fast and wants to come or if you
66:50
just happen to live in Vegas or be
66:52
around and you don’t want to come to
66:54
talk friends or you’re busy on Sunday
66:56
but just come and hang out and party
66:57
with us on Saturday night that’s very
66:59
cool
67:00
yeah that’s very very cool yeah I think
67:03
it’s I think you’re gonna do well on
67:04
this cuz I’ve heard such great things
67:06
about an Urkel poco and but the first
67:09
thing I hear from people that don’t go
67:10
is like you know I’m having to get a
67:14
passport or a lot so I’ve met a lot of
67:16
people that I’ve talked to a lot of
67:18
people that the reason they can’t go is
67:19
because they have some kind of charge on
67:21
their record that they actually can’t go
67:22
to Mexico like they’ve got some kind of
67:24
stupid simple possession charge or DUI
67:27
charge from God knows how long ago and
67:29
and they can’t go so this actually makes
67:31
it a lot easier if you want to be able
67:33
to go to that and it’s obviously would
67:35
be less expensive too so that’s that’s
67:36
really cool I’ve talked to Justin King
67:39
and just about getting Justin to come
67:41
down to speak at a book oh and Justin
67:45
goes sorry but I can’t you know just I
67:48
can’t stop you know so he’s got also you
67:52
know some kind of legal stuff and and so
67:55
can’t go nope I’m gonna see him at a
67:57
bull go ever yeah that goes for other
67:59
people too just can’t travel country
68:02
yeah whatever reason my co-host on the
68:05
muddy waters of freedom couldn’t visit
68:06
me up here in Canada
68:07
cuz he has like an old possession charge
68:09
in a country that were weed is legal now
68:12
weed is level here or at least you know
68:16
state purchased weed or weed you grow on
68:18
your own or whatever is but weeds legal
68:20
here but if you have a possession charge
68:22
somewhere else you cannot come here and
68:25
so unless he gets you know pays to get
68:27
you know some stupid misdemeanor
68:29
expunged from his record he can’t come
68:31
here so it’s it’s it’s ridiculous but so
68:34
a narco Vegas so that’s really cool um
68:38
Jakub thank you again for joining us I
68:40
really had an absolute blast having you
68:42
on before I let you go I just want to
68:45
give you a chance to tell it it’s talk
68:48
about anything that you oh that was
68:50
there was one more thing
68:51
to ask you about and then we’ll do your
68:52
final thoughts after that do you I don’t
68:55
know do you consider yourself an
68:56
anarcho-capitalist or just an it’s just
68:58
no no – ation anarchists err I used to
69:04
lately I’m leaning much more towards
69:07
just anarchists without advocate is that
69:09
I think that I think them a lot of
69:12
people get caught up into the semantics
69:14
of you know I always always like to make
69:20
a differentiation between like property
69:22
and a dark ism and at that property and
69:24
ass right right right right and cap
69:26
versus and calm because it’s not really
69:28
the lines aren’t as clear as an cat vs
69:30
addcom it’s ready property right and the
69:34
truth there is and let me ask you a
69:36
question actually do you believe that
69:40
let’s say let’s say I I go and I
69:44
homestead a property and and you know I
69:49
build it out and it’s legitimately owned
69:52
by me and so on and I pass away right
70:01
and my children couldn’t care less it’s
70:04
you know some property out in the woods
70:05
and it’s run down and whatever and you
70:09
know they couldn’t care less about it
70:10
and so it just lies fallow and starts to
70:15
deteriorate somebody comes in ten years
70:18
later and says okay this is this is cool
70:19
there’s a party of foundation here
70:21
there’s a couple of walls still up I’m
70:24
gonna move into this property and
70:25
rebuild it you know well let’s say they
70:27
they rebuild it and my grandson or
70:30
something goes out to you know to visit
70:33
there because oh he heard that you know
70:35
grandpa had a place out there he wants
70:36
to go see it and he sees that there’s
70:37
this you know really nice house that
70:39
somebody built there he goes oh that’s
70:41
my grandfather’s property he wants to
70:43
claim it
70:43
do you believe that in between there
70:45
there’s some kind of abandonment or the
70:48
abandonment of property is possible you
70:50
person so this is an excellent question
70:53
about essentially the nature of the
70:55
stickiness of property rights and I’m
70:57
going to give myself 30 seconds on the
71:00
clock and answer this so I think that
71:04
in general this is somewhat of a trolley
71:08
problem in that if someone’s value what
71:12
the value they see in a property is is
71:14
so low that they just let it sit there
71:16
someone’s probably gonna buy it from
71:18
them for next to nothing so I think in
71:21
most cases it deals with itself but in
71:23
general I think that in a post state
71:25
society you’re gonna you’re gonna find
71:27
that a question like that is going to be
71:29
settled by that local community and in
71:31
most cases that far along no it would be
71:36
hard for them to argue that it was a
71:37
band I know I’ve gone past the thirty
71:39
seconds but uh it would be hard to argue
71:41
that it was not abandoned you know if
71:44
you’re talking generations you know if
71:46
you’re talking five or six years that’s
71:48
one thing but if you’re talking
71:48
generations I think in most communities
71:51
they’re gonna end up saying yeah you
71:53
haven’t really done anything with this
71:55
and you know your great-grandfather or
71:58
whatever owned this but you know there’s
72:00
been nothing here and you know
72:02
everything that was here before has you
72:05
know disintegrated and you know the
72:06
trees have grown up growing up over it’s
72:08
it’s not really yours anymore what do
72:10
you agree with me on that or that’s the
72:12
wrong answer okay the correct answer is
72:14
that if they registered it with some
72:17
kind of title company and it was
72:19
possible to find the owners right and
72:21
they made the effort to register the
72:24
property and so somebody saw that
72:25
property and said oh I want that
72:27
property let me see if there are owners
72:29
if they couldn’t it was impossible to
72:31
find the owners and they move in they
72:35
moved in and right you’re gonna come in
72:37
and say hey that’s mine well go ahead
72:39
and prove it
72:40
I’m sorry you can’t prove it and I’m
72:42
gonna defend what I’ve built here right
72:44
if you’ve made the effort to register
72:47
that property with some kind of title
72:49
company where it’s findable and somebody
72:52
can look for the owners and find them
72:55
and say hey I’ll give you a hundred
72:56
bucks or whatever for that property a
72:58
Bitcoin right then that removes the
73:04
issue of abandonment and that’s actually
73:08
in the don’t be solved by markets but
73:09
not by not by philosophy right and
73:12
that’s actually an interesting thing
73:14
because I just recently had read about
73:16
the idea of you know
73:18
who’s gonna enforce property without a
73:20
state and people were saying you could
73:22
actually apply the blockchain to use as
73:25
sort of a trustless system of having you
73:29
know basically a register that anyone
73:32
can check in any given time of who owns
73:34
what land and and what a larger like
73:39
buildings and things like that or you
73:41
know who owns ownership shares of a
73:43
company and things that those are all
73:45
things that can be in a in a trustless
73:47
blockchain without needing state
73:49
enforcement for it right so I think that
73:53
markets will solve the issue not
73:55
philosophy so I think that the idea of
73:57
sticky property is kind of irrelevant
74:00
because you can cry from now until next
74:04
year about property being sticky but
74:06
when it comes down to real life either
74:09
either the market has solved this solved
74:12
for stickiness or you know come up with
74:15
some solution that that allows you as a
74:18
as an owner of property protective
74:21
property you know and and if it doesn’t
74:24
then we’re right we’re right back to
74:25
square one at some point where you’ve
74:27
got to stay right yeah that’s just a
74:31
fact of reality like again we live in a
74:36
call it a status Society right the truth
74:40
of the matter is we live in an anarchist
74:41
society only that there are criminals
74:45
and anarchism doesn’t doesn’t do away
74:48
with criminals
74:49
you’ll still have criminality we just
74:51
have to find market solutions to
74:52
criminality and so so things like ways
74:56
for example which allow you to bypass
74:57
highway robbers but the more those
75:02
solutions become the freer and more
75:04
secure will be you know economically and
75:07
and in our personal lives and so on but
75:10
we have to have to actually find market
75:11
solutions right right philosophy is
75:14
irrelevant so saying that I believe in
75:16
sticky property or don’t believe in
75:18
sticky property that I’m property Rhian
75:20
or anti proprietary and this is sort of
75:22
irrelevant you know well you can only
75:26
and this is this is my ego is speaking
75:29
like you said you can only own what you
75:31
can
75:31
and either you were a proxy if if if you
75:35
aren’t you know even something small as
75:38
a toothbrush if if your ability to
75:41
defend it is less than the perceived
75:44
self-interest of the person who wants to
75:46
take it from you but it ain’t yours
75:48
anymore at some point it’s not your
75:53
money anymore the reason that I am
75:56
secure that no one’s gonna take this
75:59
bottle of water from me is because hey
76:03
I’ve already drank from it B which means
76:06
the person’s gonna want it that much
76:08
less Oh there’s very little perceived
76:12
self-interest on their part to take this
76:14
bottle of water from me because they
76:16
could get in trouble for it
76:17
I might fight them for it I wouldn’t
76:19
because I have another one right here
76:20
but they you know there are so many
76:22
other reasons that instead of doing that
76:24
they either go by the bottle of water
76:26
themselves or they say hey can I have
76:28
this other bottle of water and I’d say
76:29
yeah sure but it’s not the belief in the
76:33
nature of property rights that allows me
76:36
to feel secure that no one’s going to
76:38
try to kill me for this bottle of water
76:40
it’s the reality of life and of power
76:42
that that makes it that way so that but
76:44
it’s a very it’s an interesting subject
76:45
I like the fact that markets solve
76:49
things that we don’t have to go back to
76:52
a forced Association system because
76:55
there’s a market system that’s better if
76:57
people can organize if people are able
77:00
to organize within a system of forced
77:02
Association which is the far less than
77:04
ideal way of doing things then they can
77:06
definitely do it in a system of
77:07
voluntary Association where they can
77:10
come up with far better and more
77:11
efficient ways of doing things well and
77:14
the history of freedom is the history of
77:16
markets right the Magna Carta wasn’t
77:18
signed because because of magnanimity it
77:21
was signed because of it was a response
77:24
to objective reality right well going on
77:28
in the world you know yeah I was the
77:31
King not wanting to die I mean that a
77:34
lot of times where the the state has
77:36
ceded any level of control or
77:38
decentralized anything it’s usually
77:40
after a revolt or a threat of a revolt
77:43
that was very
77:45
a very effective threat or very critical
77:50
threat of a revolt they go okay well
77:52
here you can have a little bit of this
77:53
and that and I mean so it is what it is
77:55
so anyway again really great to have you
77:58
on I hope to be able to have you on
77:59
again soon maybe to promote future
78:02
anarcho Vegas events but before I let
78:04
you go I just want to give you a chance
78:06
to talk about anything that you feel
78:08
like we haven’t addressed if there’s
78:10
anything that you want to plug or
78:11
promote now is your time to do it you
78:13
have as much time as you want
78:15
yakov mark held the floor is yours thank
78:19
you and come come check us out we have a
78:25
great speaker lineup that’s gonna be a
78:27
pretty interesting party and one of the
78:31
things that people love about going to
78:32
add a couple go is not not even as much
78:36
the speakers although that’s certainly
78:37
part of it but being able to go and hang
78:40
out with Larkin Rose you know outside
78:43
and and have a conversation with Jeffrey
78:46
Tucker and joy wick and get rid Griffin
78:48
and you know hey G Edward Griffin let me
78:51
buy you a beer and so those interactions
78:54
and relationships and other people that
78:56
you meet who are also there it’s just
78:58
such a amazing social experience and
79:02
that’s that’s why I’ve gone back every
79:04
year not because I I go for the speakers
79:07
I sit still very poorly when somebody’s
79:10
talking at me right right right
79:13
from you know school years like I don’t
79:16
do it very well
79:17
but but to be able to sit at the bar and
79:19
have a four-hour conversation with mark
79:21
edge or Jeffrey Tucker or whoever that’s
79:25
just an amazing experience and it’s
79:27
worthwhile you know so yeah definitely
79:31
come and check us out and we’ll actually
79:34
happen I don’t know how many tickets we
79:36
have left for it but we’re doing a
79:38
speakers brunch right before the
79:40
conference starts and we only have 20
79:43
tickets available and I’m not sure how
79:45
many have sold so if you want to do
79:47
something like that that’ll be really
79:49
cool and yeah that’s it check me out at
79:53
Anarchy Jewish man on Facebook and tend
79:57
to post interesting stuff I
79:59
so that’s my spiel very good good spiel
80:03
I’m happy for your spiel
80:04
oh yeah through the whole show well you
80:10
start you you kind of did a preview
80:11
before yeah I had my two guests ago REM
80:16
so Martinez said that this is sort of
80:19
the opposite I’m the opposite
80:21
I’m in the basement and everyone knows
80:23
where I am um but uh so there now we did
80:27
it dude oh but guys yeah be sure to
80:29
check out an Turco Vegas and all of the
80:32
the links are gonna be in the show notes
80:34
so be sure to check those all out the
80:37
Anarchy Jewish man and all of that um
80:40
Jakob again thank you so much stick
80:42
around I’m gonna talk with you bit for a
80:43
bit during the outro
80:45
but guys thank you again for tuning in
80:46
to my fellow Americans it was an
80:48
absolute mitzvah there you go
80:50
submits but to have you here and and so
80:55
baby shot
80:56
what’s that thank you very much
81:00
absolutely and guys be sure to tune in
81:02
tomorrow night
81:03
the 11th for Matt right on the writers
81:07
block he will be interviewing Kim ruff
81:09
the one of the libertarian presidential
81:12
candidates and and then on Friday night
81:15
shabbat shalom it’s Jason Lyon
81:18
he’s a Gentile but uh be sure to check
81:21
him out on mr. America the bearded truth
81:22
and then have a great weekend tune in
81:24
again next Monday for Jason Lyon on his
81:27
non Shabbat episode of missed America
81:29
the bearded truth and and then tune in
81:31
on Tuesday night were for the muddy
81:35
waters of freedom where Matt and I met
81:36
right and I will be parsing through the
81:39
week’s the week’s events with the with
81:42
the joy of a child and then tune in
81:44
again next Wednesday right here probably
81:47
8 p.m. for my fellow Americans I will be
81:50
entry I will be who was my guest charity
81:53
Nicole will be my guest so be sure to
81:56
check that out but guys thanks again for
81:58
watching we will see you soon and god
82:01
bless you
82:02
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Spike Cohen
Spike Cohen
Local Jew. Contrarian stoic sentimentalist. Antidisestablishmentarianism. Will pet your dog.