Episode 258 – DeSantis, Griner, and Biden… NY!


Ron DeSantis pulls out the big guns in the culture war, while Biden offers guy who sells big guns for Brittany Griner. Biden also wants to pay for abortions in states where it’s banned, and NY doesn’t want illegal immigrants.

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bad ways to start your morning desantis yes yes exactly speaking of bad ways to
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start uh on thursday ron desantis has taken
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a stance against fascism by removing someone from office he disagrees with him politically
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yeah um on thursday morning free state of
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florida on thursday morning it was i think that this announcement was made
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at like 9 15 in the morning so that this guy was in his office
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he didn’t do it the night but he did it 9 15 in the morning to ensure
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that state attorney andrew warren was sitting in his office when the
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announcement was made that desantis suspended andrew warren
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for dereliction or negligence of duty
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yes so uh warren has said that he’s not going to use his office uh to go after
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people who provide abortions uh or on doctors that give gender affirming care
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to transgenders uh in accordance with state law um and so desantis uh does
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have this power to suspend county officers uh for dereliction or neglect of duty uh he used it against scott
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israel the sheriff uh after the parkland shooting when he
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didn’t do anything didn’t do anything about it yet dereliction of duty
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um that was a dereliction of duty yeah so this was the
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in the case of andrew warren this was the straw that broke the camel’s back as far as desantis is concerned leading up
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to that uh warren said and we’re libertarians
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i don’t agree with andrew warren on a lot but he said that his crowning
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achievement was there were 7 000 cases where people
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were pulled over or arrested for driving without a driver’s license and he wiped
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them all from the board based yeah i’m like man
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no that’s good not against this yeah not against it there were uh people who destroyed
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private property during the george floyd riots the blm protests whatever you want
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to call it yeah um there were 67 people who destroyed property that he refused to prosecute
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uh yeah see that’s not good right and then there was somebody there was somebody who had committed a i
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believe it was a burglary uh had committed a burglary they arrested him he let that person out
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he went back and stole from the same people again
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and uh i believe he threatened them on that one and those people were afraid to go home because that guy was just out
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and living in the community now so yeah yeah
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well i don’t agree with the decision in full there are some things that i was like yeah you know what he didn’t do his
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job and he put other right so at risk yeah so this is where like
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there are times where desantis will do something and it’s
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i mean there are times he does stuff that’s just terrible and there are times he does stuff that are great but there are there are times he will do something
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where the outcome isn’t necessarily the problem it’s the motivation behind it so
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for example um when he uh when he you know moved to try to get the legislature
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which they ended up doing to get rid of the special tax status for um a special
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self-governing status for the disney world which ended up costing or will
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cost florida taxpayers billions of dollars because of all of the previously privately held debt
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that’s now been unloaded on the taxpayer um that’s what’s going to cost them a fortune for no good reason uh sure it’s
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not you know cronyism is not good although i’d say the only problem i have with their special tax self-governing
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status was that we don’t all get that option yes but it was why he did it he didn’t do it because uh they disagreed
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with him politically he did it because after they said they disagreed with him politically then they said they weren’t
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going to give donations to his or other republicans or democrats to any campaigns anymore
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that was what did it he said oh you’re not going to give us money then you know we’re gonna go after you and then he
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said no that’s not why i’m doing it i’m doing it because they’re woke well that’s also not good to go after people
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because of political disagreements you know right in this case this i was gonna say i was gonna say i don’t know if he
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did it because they said that they were going to stop giving money i do see because the way that desantis
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has gone is he is leaning in hard to the uh
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the social conservative social conservative yeah he’s doing the culture war yeah big
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time on the culture war so i could see him saying if you are going to stand up and make statements
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if you’re going to stand up and make statements about the laws that are being passed here we will also make laws that will make it
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harder for you here you won’t get the benefits i don’t really know if it’s about the money being given i think it
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was uh you’re biting the hand that feeds you so we’re taking away your food
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right but that’s the government targeting someone for politically disagreeing with them agree but yeah but
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i’m saying it’s not for the money thing i don’t i don’t think it’s funny oh so i don’t think it’s
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yeah and it might not be the reason i think it is is just the timing i mean disney had been saying had been
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supporting lgbt uh stuff for decades now years now but they weren’t they had been
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speaking my understanding was they had pri prior to it and then it was after the thing
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happened where they said well we’re just not going to give money to any campaigns in sword anymore they were commenting on federal law
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and federal cases but they weren’t saying anything about florida and then with the parental rights and education
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bill that you know that the media uh claimed was the don’t say gay bill the the yeah
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the so-called don’t say gay law yeah yeah they started commenting on that and he was like
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and initially they said yeah we don’t have any comment on it or disney said we don’t have any comment on it uh bob iger
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i think was the ceo at the time i’m not a 100 yeah uh they were saying that uh we don’t have any comment on it and they got a
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lot of backlash so they started commenting on it and then desantis went okay then he did yeah
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yeah so i don’t think it was the money i think it was the culture war that desantis is
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really pushing right so whichever it was or some combination of those things
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again the wrong reason to do something i don’t think the re if if they said if he said i’m getting rid of this guy because
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you know he’s refusing to um to prosecute petty crimes property crimes or you know petty violent crimes
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and property crimes i’d be i’d be like okay well you know what that maybe that’s a good thing for him to do this
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because he’s not going to decl he’s not going to be one of the warriors in the war
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against abortion uh and he’s not you know he doesn’t want to get in between doctors and patients making medical
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decisions um you know that’s again uh even if it might be a good thing that it
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this is the problem with republicans and democrats it’s like okay do you end up with an attorney general or or a state
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attorney who doesn’t do anything if your business gets burned down by rioters or
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are you going to get a state attorney who arrests your uh you know cousin uh
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because she got an abortion uh or you know who goes after a a doctor because
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they’re giving gender affirming care to a transgender person um that this is the problem it’s like it’s like pick your
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poison type of thing because both republicans and democrats refuse to just
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recognize your right to life liberty and property um now speaking of politicians
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just straight up robbing people of life liberty and property uh russian authorities uh have uh sentenced
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brittany is it griner it’s greater greener greiner greiner okay brittany griner uh she got almost 10 years she
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gets nine and a half years in prison in russia for possessing a thc vape pen
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and we’ve seen this all over social media all over the media and everybody’s
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talking about the travesty that it is and it is a travesty that anybody spends nine and a half years in jail anywhere
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for a plan and reports came out in uh july of
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this year that u.s officials offered to release weapon weapons trafficker victor
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bout victor bout i’m assuming that’s how you say his name he’s russian b-o-u-t
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victor belt uh in exchange for griner and paul whelan who is a u.s uh citizen
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that got into a bar fight and somehow ended up with espionage charges um
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and he’s been imprisoned in russia since 2018 um
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russian officials are unlikely to offer to agree to any offer unless they can
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secure the release of two russian prisoners now
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right now you have a wnba superstar
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who is in prison in russia and is the talk of media
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almost every day you’re going to see it on mainstream media on uh your talk shows on anything right now
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talking about brittany griner being in prison nine and a half years and what is the biden administration
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doing to get her out and back to america yeah
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the question that we have for everybody is should we be trying to get her out while there are americans in prison
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for the same crime here for the exact same thing and not
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just americans there are people who are uh foreign citizens foreign nationals who are in american prisons for import
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like literally the same thing bringing thc into the us sometimes in in recreational amounts
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now i say yes we you know also try to get her free as well but there’s been it is incredible
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how drug warrior joe biden is being pressed
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to release her when with the stroke of a pen he could release about i think it’s 40 000 people that are in prison
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for possessing thc at the federal level
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so like he himself could do that and then pressure i think there’s another 70 000 at the state and local level he
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could then tell the governors hey you do this you know we’d like you to do this as well or he could just deschedule
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cannabis and then that way they’d get free and it would also
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not be putting more people in jail like there are things he could do he could just have the fda deschedule cannabis
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now right now right this very second would not like do not need a change by congress that’s all up to the fda and
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instead nope still just as illegal as heroin not even allowed to research with it technically technically yeah it’s
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it’s absurd it’s absurd it is absolutely absurd and the fact that you have so
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many people in the media who are saying we need to get her out we need to do whatever we
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can to get her out because nobody deserves to go to prison for this that would not have the same
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passion if it was somebody here in america
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people who have been sitting in prison for decades because of three strikes three
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strike laws and uh repeat offender laws and mandatory minimums and things
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things of that nature all across america who are still sitting for having thc
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yeah we need to work on getting those people out in my personal opinion those people need to be released first and
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then brittany griner can come home uh but i don’t want it to happen in the other way
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i i get it i mean i i you know it’s one of those one of those things like if you have an option to get someone free do
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you but i also understand the idea of like can you put it this way can you imagine you’re in an american prison
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and the guy who with a stroke of a few strokes of a pen could set you free right now
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is saying he’s fighting night and day to free someone else who’s in prison in another
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country for the exact same crime but screw you because you’re not good at
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basketball yeah you might even be good at basketball for all we know maybe you are you might be good enough to be in
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the wnba you prop probably and so and
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and so you you know here you are you’re wnba ready uh i’m joe i’m laughing because i was
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with um the british uh i was hanging out this weekend with among other people the
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british um women’s deadlifting champion zubi um
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and so i mean there’s someone who’s wnba ready right now
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but anyway today right now right now no training needed it would probably be
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a pay cut but you know at this point um you know so
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yeah no that would be that would be extremely extremely
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frustrating so i get it i i get it i i think that before i think at the very least right
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this is something that can happen right now there’s no negotiation needed right now joe biden could tell the fda let’s
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do for all the people that we actually can set free what we do for brittany griner
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i mean if i were a russian official i would be saying why are you talking to us you got like 10 to 50 thousand exactly 40 000 people in prison on this
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but don’t talk to us about this you have the same laws you like literally you have the same laws we do why are you giving us a hard time you have the same
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ban on importing thc that we do so why are you giving us a hard time so
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speaking of biden
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joe biden i guess speaking of biden joe biden signed an executive order making it easier to travel to access
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abortion but isn’t it illegal to keep people in your state anyway right that’s why i thought this was weird um he was
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saying that we can’t have states making it illegal to travel outside of the states to get in outside of your state
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to get an abortion and i don’t i don’t think at the
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border of alabama there’s a guard going are you pregnant pee on the stick for me
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and i’m pretty certain that would be multiple violations yeah even if they tried to do that i
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know there’s been some talk both for that and for stuff related to trans stuff that uh
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that would never hold up in court you cannot arrest someone for nor can you compel
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that state or that community that you know the law enforcement in another state to cooperate with you on that like
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that’s not it’s there is no you can’t do that it’s outside of your jurisdiction exactly now
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the executive order supports patients traveling out of state for abortions including through the use of waivers
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that would allow states where abortion is legal to cover the cost of the procedure under medicaid for
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out-of-state residents so basically what it seems like to me
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is that he has written an executive order federally funding abortions if you live
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in a state where abortions are illegal that violates the hyde amendment
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didn’t they get rid of the hi i thought they got rid of the heidemann i that’s a good question
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but yes you’re right it does it it violates the hyde amendment but or maybe they did they were talking
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about getting rid of the hyde amendment they didn’t i know we talked about it not too long ago maybe it just got reenacted i don’t
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remember um so now the the term hyde amendment which
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really only is related to um medicaid um and then uh and anything related to
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hhs but there are other bills that they call part or other amendments and bills that they call part of the hyde
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amendment but it’s basically any federal program uh tricare
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federal prisons peace corps federal employees health benefits program affordable care act um
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yeah they can’t i didn’t think they could but i wasn’t sure if they still
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so essentially and this would include as well as getting um refunds i guess is the best way to put
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it getting refunds if you take a lyft or an uber
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so they would literally pay for your trip out there hey pay for the you’d be able to uh get the
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procedure covered by medicaid and then yeah you might have to take pay
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for the lift back but that probably can but if it’s for the
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abortion that runs afoul of the hyatt amendment in and and you know who’s going to decide if it
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if it runs afoul of the hyde amendment when the states inevitably sue over this is the scotus the supreme court that
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that shot down rovers yes knock down roe versus they’ll chew this
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up for fun yeah this will be like day one stuff of the next session yeah no this will this will be something
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where they’ll have like one of those emergency sessions and and say that because like they’ll do emergency sessions where they’re like yeah you’re
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currently violating an existing order um an existing court order uh i think
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that’s what’s to happen to this this is virtue signaling oh yeah hardcore version election purposes
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so speaking of purchasing i’m not sure what’s being signaled here
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but it’s pretty funny eric adams is upset that great uh new york city
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mayor ed eric adams is upset at texas governor greg abbott matt and you’re
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you’re not gonna believe why folks you might believe why you might yeah you you will well yeah you’ll believe why
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um eric adams is upset with greg abbott because greg abbott
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has started a new policy of just bussing illegal immigrants who have come
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across the border in texas to new york city
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eric adams says they don’t have the plans in place to handle the people
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in a quote eric adams says they’re not letting us know when the buses are leaving
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they’re not letting us know what the needs of the people on the they’re not letting us know what
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are the needs of the people on the bus they’re not giving us any information so we’re unable to provide the service
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to people in route so my question to you spike
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is this is an understandable is this an understandable uh gripe that adams has or is it hypocrisy
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or uh i think it’s a it’s i was gonna say it’s probably a little of both um the problem is
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as it’s set up i mean i don’t know eric adams thought on on the greater thoughts on
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immigration but if he wanted to just say all right well here you know welcome welcome here because of how it’s set up
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he kind of has to provide them with services see this is the whole ridiculous thing about the
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immigration system we’re told that the immigration system is set up among other things to you know stop us from becoming
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a welfare trap so then when people come here first we put them temporarily in cages that cost
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up to 800 dollars per day per person which for those doing the math at home
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that’s twenty four thousand dollars a month lavish
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i couldn’t do that in my head yeah yeah twenty-fourth that roughly twenty so and it was actually i think 87
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up to 875 a day so you’re looking at like 20 over 25 000
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a month and i mean the most lavish welfare system on
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earth doesn’t cost anywhere near that much so they put them in a cage first then
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they typically either keep them in the cage or they ship them off somewhere else and all the cost of that and then
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give them services while they’re processing them why not just let them work
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like literally just let them come here and work and and the crazy thing is i’ve actually talked with some immigration
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advocates who said that prior to the enforcement of uh of the the immigration
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laws starting in the 19 uh in earnest in the 50s 60s and 70s uh
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mexican workers mexican and central american workers would come here
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they would work on farms and then they’d go home because they could yeah
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because they didn’t actually want to live here they just wanted to work on work and get money and save money and go
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home and have money and they would prefer to be home because that’s where all their people are that’s where their
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family is that’s they want to go home and so what happened was when they started restricting them you know
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making it illegal for them to come here well they weren’t going to stop coming here and so they just
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started staying here and sending for their families to come here
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so if the goal of laws against certain types of economic migration
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are to stop people from coming here and to you know stop america from being a
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welfare trap it literally does the opposite so yeah it’s hypocrisy
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but also if you’re the mayor of a city that’s having a bunch of people that you now have an obligation to provide
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taxpayer services to and you don’t even know who they are it’s also understandable which is why they should be calling for
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ending the war on migration so they could just come here and not
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have all that happen and go back and go and go back or come and stay and
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go back come and go as they please and then that means when we go to mexico we’re not being stopped by by the way
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it’s important to know this because a lot of people say oh it’s just to keep people out of our borders and they
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usually misspell our and borders when they say that um but they’ll say uh you know we need to uh there are
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borrowers um but they’ll say that uh you know they spell it borders it’s just the wrong kind
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that’s true it is borders but it’s b-o-a-r-d-e-r-s and uh but they’ll say that uh well it’s
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just when you’re coming back what most people don’t know is now when you leave the us uh you’re being stopped by the us
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border patrol on the way out too surely that won’t end up being scary the
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government telling you if you’re allowed to leave the country on your car
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that you own not not visa requirements in the co your own country
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telling you whether you can leave
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your country you’ve already worked it out with the country that you’re going to
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but your government would like to talk to you about that first
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and probably take any money you have that’s more than a couple hundred bucks
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what’s truly wild about the immigration issue that we have
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is it’s a relatively new
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problem that we have yeah and for those listening on audio i did the finger quotes around problem um
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thank you for listening on anchor or your favorite podcasting platform but
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back in the 1980 debates between ronald reagan and
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george h.w bush somebody said what are we going to do about illegal immigration
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and their answers were not answers you would expect from two republicans they were
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saying we need to welcome these people they’re looking for better lives we need to bring them in we need to and
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not put them through this terrible process of going through immigration like
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nothing you would expect from republicans that was in 1980
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then 9 11 happened 21 years later
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and then it was we can’t allow anybody into this nation yeah well not without going through the
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absurd legal process that we just blasted for the last 50 years it’s important for everyone to remember
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that historically it was the economically illiterate democrat labor
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socialist labor unionist who pushed for immigration controls
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for two reasons number one because democrats uh were racist uh and then
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also number two i mean let’s be clear because they were racist and uh number two uh because they
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bought into all the economic fallacies that your average trumper now supports uh ideas about displacement and and and
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wage reduction and all the nonsense that is demonstrably false uh in actual terms um but that’s the uh
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that’s the that’s so now it’s the republicans saying that and instead of instead of the democrats typically
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giving good economic arguments they just call the republicans racist
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unless it’s a democrat doing it ergo uh and that brings us to uh
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karine jean-pierre saying hey where are you going to get the pesos for your racist wall now saying well
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actually walls don’t work that’s why joe biden is building finishing them yeah but no
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but not but not finishing them he’s not finishing this he’s cleaning up the mess the walls don’t work and they’re a waste
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of money but we’re gonna finish not finished we’re gonna but we’re gonna not finish it it’s just
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something not finished we’re gonna clean up the mess i love how she said it it was like just not acknowledging that the
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mess that she’s referring to is the lack of a finished wall and that the cleaning up and now i’m using air quotes of the mess
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was to finish that wall anyway uh so
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and so yes this was understandable this was understandable hypocrisy but you know what’s not hypocrisy
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listening to muddy waters on tuesday night and then listening to us on wednesday night that’s completely
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understandable and it’s not hypocritical it’s actually the only logical thing to do uh so join us tomorrow night for our
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next episode of the muddy waters of freedom same money place same money time tomorrow and uh we look forward to
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hearing from you to talking with you then and where we’re going we don’t need roads
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