Episode 258 – DeSantis, Griner, and Biden… NY!

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and now matt wright and spike cohen
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bad ways to start your morning desantis yes yes exactly speaking of bad ways to
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start uh on thursday ron desantis has taken
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a stance against fascism by removing someone from office he disagrees with him politically
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yeah um on thursday morning free state of
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florida on thursday morning it was i think that this announcement was made
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at like 9 15 in the morning so that this guy was in his office
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he didn’t do it the night but he did it 9 15 in the morning to ensure
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that state attorney andrew warren was sitting in his office when the
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announcement was made that desantis suspended andrew warren
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for dereliction or negligence of duty
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yes so uh warren has said that he’s not going to use his office uh to go after
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people who provide abortions uh or on doctors that give gender affirming care
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to transgenders uh in accordance with state law um and so desantis uh does
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have this power to suspend county officers uh for dereliction or neglect of duty uh he used it against scott
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israel the sheriff uh after the parkland shooting when he
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didn’t do anything didn’t do anything about it yet dereliction of duty
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um that was a dereliction of duty yeah so this was the
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in the case of andrew warren this was the straw that broke the camel’s back as far as desantis is concerned leading up
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to that uh warren said and we’re libertarians
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i don’t agree with andrew warren on a lot but he said that his crowning
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achievement was there were 7 000 cases where people
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were pulled over or arrested for driving without a driver’s license and he wiped
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them all from the board based yeah i’m like man
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no that’s good not against this yeah not against it there were uh people who destroyed
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private property during the george floyd riots the blm protests whatever you want
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to call it yeah um there were 67 people who destroyed property that he refused to prosecute
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uh yeah see that’s not good right and then there was somebody there was somebody who had committed a i
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believe it was a burglary uh had committed a burglary they arrested him he let that person out
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he went back and stole from the same people again
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and uh i believe he threatened them on that one and those people were afraid to go home because that guy was just out
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and living in the community now so yeah yeah
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well i don’t agree with the decision in full there are some things that i was like yeah you know what he didn’t do his
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job and he put other right so at risk yeah so this is where like
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there are times where desantis will do something and it’s
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i mean there are times he does stuff that’s just terrible and there are times he does stuff that are great but there are there are times he will do something
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where the outcome isn’t necessarily the problem it’s the motivation behind it so
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for example um when he uh when he you know moved to try to get the legislature
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which they ended up doing to get rid of the special tax status for um a special
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self-governing status for the disney world which ended up costing or will
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cost florida taxpayers billions of dollars because of all of the previously privately held debt
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that’s now been unloaded on the taxpayer um that’s what’s going to cost them a fortune for no good reason uh sure it’s
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not you know cronyism is not good although i’d say the only problem i have with their special tax self-governing
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status was that we don’t all get that option yes but it was why he did it he didn’t do it because uh they disagreed
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with him politically he did it because after they said they disagreed with him politically then they said they weren’t
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going to give donations to his or other republicans or democrats to any campaigns anymore
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that was what did it he said oh you’re not going to give us money then you know we’re gonna go after you and then he
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said no that’s not why i’m doing it i’m doing it because they’re woke well that’s also not good to go after people
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because of political disagreements you know right in this case this i was gonna say i was gonna say i don’t know if he
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did it because they said that they were going to stop giving money i do see because the way that desantis
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has gone is he is leaning in hard to the uh
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the social conservative social conservative yeah he’s doing the culture war yeah big
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time on the culture war so i could see him saying if you are going to stand up and make statements
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if you’re going to stand up and make statements about the laws that are being passed here we will also make laws that will make it
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harder for you here you won’t get the benefits i don’t really know if it’s about the money being given i think it
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was uh you’re biting the hand that feeds you so we’re taking away your food
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right but that’s the government targeting someone for politically disagreeing with them agree but yeah but
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i’m saying it’s not for the money thing i don’t i don’t think it’s funny oh so i don’t think it’s
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yeah and it might not be the reason i think it is is just the timing i mean disney had been saying had been
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supporting lgbt uh stuff for decades now years now but they weren’t they had been
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speaking my understanding was they had pri prior to it and then it was after the thing
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happened where they said well we’re just not going to give money to any campaigns in sword anymore they were commenting on federal law
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and federal cases but they weren’t saying anything about florida and then with the parental rights and education
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bill that you know that the media uh claimed was the don’t say gay bill the the yeah
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the so-called don’t say gay law yeah yeah they started commenting on that and he was like
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and initially they said yeah we don’t have any comment on it or disney said we don’t have any comment on it uh bob iger
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i think was the ceo at the time i’m not a 100 yeah uh they were saying that uh we don’t have any comment on it and they got a
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lot of backlash so they started commenting on it and then desantis went okay then he did yeah
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yeah so i don’t think it was the money i think it was the culture war that desantis is
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really pushing right so whichever it was or some combination of those things
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again the wrong reason to do something i don’t think the re if if they said if he said i’m getting rid of this guy because
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you know he’s refusing to um to prosecute petty crimes property crimes or you know petty violent crimes
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and property crimes i’d be i’d be like okay well you know what that maybe that’s a good thing for him to do this
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because he’s not going to decl he’s not going to be one of the warriors in the war
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against abortion uh and he’s not you know he doesn’t want to get in between doctors and patients making medical
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decisions um you know that’s again uh even if it might be a good thing that it
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this is the problem with republicans and democrats it’s like okay do you end up with an attorney general or or a state
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attorney who doesn’t do anything if your business gets burned down by rioters or
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are you going to get a state attorney who arrests your uh you know cousin uh
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because she got an abortion uh or you know who goes after a a doctor because
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they’re giving gender affirming care to a transgender person um that this is the problem it’s like it’s like pick your
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poison type of thing because both republicans and democrats refuse to just
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recognize your right to life liberty and property um now speaking of politicians
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just straight up robbing people of life liberty and property uh russian authorities uh have uh sentenced
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brittany is it griner it’s greater greener greiner greiner okay brittany griner uh she got almost 10 years she
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gets nine and a half years in prison in russia for possessing a thc vape pen
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and we’ve seen this all over social media all over the media and everybody’s
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talking about the travesty that it is and it is a travesty that anybody spends nine and a half years in jail anywhere
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for a plan and reports came out in uh july of
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this year that u.s officials offered to release weapon weapons trafficker victor
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bout victor bout i’m assuming that’s how you say his name he’s russian b-o-u-t
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victor belt uh in exchange for griner and paul whelan who is a u.s uh citizen
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that got into a bar fight and somehow ended up with espionage charges um
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and he’s been imprisoned in russia since 2018 um
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russian officials are unlikely to offer to agree to any offer unless they can
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secure the release of two russian prisoners now
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right now you have a wnba superstar
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who is in prison in russia and is the talk of media
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almost every day you’re going to see it on mainstream media on uh your talk shows on anything right now
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talking about brittany griner being in prison nine and a half years and what is the biden administration
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doing to get her out and back to america yeah
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the question that we have for everybody is should we be trying to get her out while there are americans in prison
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for the same crime here for the exact same thing and not
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just americans there are people who are uh foreign citizens foreign nationals who are in american prisons for import
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like literally the same thing bringing thc into the us sometimes in in recreational amounts
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now i say yes we you know also try to get her free as well but there’s been it is incredible
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how drug warrior joe biden is being pressed
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to release her when with the stroke of a pen he could release about i think it’s 40 000 people that are in prison
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for possessing thc at the federal level
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so like he himself could do that and then pressure i think there’s another 70 000 at the state and local level he
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could then tell the governors hey you do this you know we’d like you to do this as well or he could just deschedule
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cannabis and then that way they’d get free and it would also
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not be putting more people in jail like there are things he could do he could just have the fda deschedule cannabis
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now right now right this very second would not like do not need a change by congress that’s all up to the fda and
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instead nope still just as illegal as heroin not even allowed to research with it technically technically yeah it’s
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it’s absurd it’s absurd it is absolutely absurd and the fact that you have so
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many people in the media who are saying we need to get her out we need to do whatever we
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can to get her out because nobody deserves to go to prison for this that would not have the same
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passion if it was somebody here in america
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people who have been sitting in prison for decades because of three strikes three
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strike laws and uh repeat offender laws and mandatory minimums and things
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things of that nature all across america who are still sitting for having thc
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yeah we need to work on getting those people out in my personal opinion those people need to be released first and
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then brittany griner can come home uh but i don’t want it to happen in the other way
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i i get it i mean i i you know it’s one of those one of those things like if you have an option to get someone free do
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you but i also understand the idea of like can you put it this way can you imagine you’re in an american prison
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and the guy who with a stroke of a few strokes of a pen could set you free right now
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is saying he’s fighting night and day to free someone else who’s in prison in another
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country for the exact same crime but screw you because you’re not good at
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basketball yeah you might even be good at basketball for all we know maybe you are you might be good enough to be in
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the wnba you prop probably and so and
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and so you you know here you are you’re wnba ready uh i’m joe i’m laughing because i was
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with um the british uh i was hanging out this weekend with among other people the
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british um women’s deadlifting champion zubi um
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and so i mean there’s someone who’s wnba ready right now
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but anyway today right now right now no training needed it would probably be
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a pay cut but you know at this point um you know so
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yeah no that would be that would be extremely extremely
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frustrating so i get it i i get it i i think that before i think at the very least right
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this is something that can happen right now there’s no negotiation needed right now joe biden could tell the fda let’s
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do for all the people that we actually can set free what we do for brittany griner
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i mean if i were a russian official i would be saying why are you talking to us you got like 10 to 50 thousand exactly 40 000 people in prison on this
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but don’t talk to us about this you have the same laws you like literally you have the same laws we do why are you giving us a hard time you have the same
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ban on importing thc that we do so why are you giving us a hard time so
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speaking of biden
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joe biden i guess speaking of biden joe biden signed an executive order making it easier to travel to access
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abortion but isn’t it illegal to keep people in your state anyway right that’s why i thought this was weird um he was
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saying that we can’t have states making it illegal to travel outside of the states to get in outside of your state
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to get an abortion and i don’t i don’t think at the
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border of alabama there’s a guard going are you pregnant pee on the stick for me
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and i’m pretty certain that would be multiple violations yeah even if they tried to do that i
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know there’s been some talk both for that and for stuff related to trans stuff that uh
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that would never hold up in court you cannot arrest someone for nor can you compel
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that state or that community that you know the law enforcement in another state to cooperate with you on that like
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that’s not it’s there is no you can’t do that it’s outside of your jurisdiction exactly now
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the executive order supports patients traveling out of state for abortions including through the use of waivers
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that would allow states where abortion is legal to cover the cost of the procedure under medicaid for
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out-of-state residents so basically what it seems like to me
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is that he has written an executive order federally funding abortions if you live
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in a state where abortions are illegal that violates the hyde amendment
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didn’t they get rid of the hi i thought they got rid of the heidemann i that’s a good question
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but yes you’re right it does it it violates the hyde amendment but or maybe they did they were talking
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about getting rid of the hyde amendment they didn’t i know we talked about it not too long ago maybe it just got reenacted i don’t
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remember um so now the the term hyde amendment which
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really only is related to um medicaid um and then uh and anything related to
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hhs but there are other bills that they call part or other amendments and bills that they call part of the hyde
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amendment but it’s basically any federal program uh tricare
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federal prisons peace corps federal employees health benefits program affordable care act um
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yeah they can’t i didn’t think they could but i wasn’t sure if they still
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so essentially and this would include as well as getting um refunds i guess is the best way to put
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it getting refunds if you take a lyft or an uber
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so they would literally pay for your trip out there hey pay for the you’d be able to uh get the
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procedure covered by medicaid and then yeah you might have to take pay
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for the lift back but that probably can but if it’s for the
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abortion that runs afoul of the hyatt amendment in and and you know who’s going to decide if it
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if it runs afoul of the hyde amendment when the states inevitably sue over this is the scotus the supreme court that
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that shot down rovers yes knock down roe versus they’ll chew this
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up for fun yeah this will be like day one stuff of the next session yeah no this will this will be something
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where they’ll have like one of those emergency sessions and and say that because like they’ll do emergency sessions where they’re like yeah you’re
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currently violating an existing order um an existing court order uh i think
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that’s what’s to happen to this this is virtue signaling oh yeah hardcore version election purposes
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so speaking of purchasing i’m not sure what’s being signaled here
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but it’s pretty funny eric adams is upset that great uh new york city
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mayor ed eric adams is upset at texas governor greg abbott matt and you’re
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you’re not gonna believe why folks you might believe why you might yeah you you will well yeah you’ll believe why
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um eric adams is upset with greg abbott because greg abbott
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has started a new policy of just bussing illegal immigrants who have come
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across the border in texas to new york city
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eric adams says they don’t have the plans in place to handle the people
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in a quote eric adams says they’re not letting us know when the buses are leaving
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they’re not letting us know what the needs of the people on the they’re not letting us know what
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are the needs of the people on the bus they’re not giving us any information so we’re unable to provide the service
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to people in route so my question to you spike
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is this is an understandable is this an understandable uh gripe that adams has or is it hypocrisy
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or uh i think it’s a it’s i was gonna say it’s probably a little of both um the problem is
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as it’s set up i mean i don’t know eric adams thought on on the greater thoughts on
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immigration but if he wanted to just say all right well here you know welcome welcome here because of how it’s set up
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he kind of has to provide them with services see this is the whole ridiculous thing about the
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immigration system we’re told that the immigration system is set up among other things to you know stop us from becoming
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a welfare trap so then when people come here first we put them temporarily in cages that cost
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up to 800 dollars per day per person which for those doing the math at home
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that’s twenty four thousand dollars a month lavish
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i couldn’t do that in my head yeah yeah twenty-fourth that roughly twenty so and it was actually i think 87
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up to 875 a day so you’re looking at like 20 over 25 000
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a month and i mean the most lavish welfare system on
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earth doesn’t cost anywhere near that much so they put them in a cage first then
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they typically either keep them in the cage or they ship them off somewhere else and all the cost of that and then
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give them services while they’re processing them why not just let them work
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like literally just let them come here and work and and the crazy thing is i’ve actually talked with some immigration
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advocates who said that prior to the enforcement of uh of the the immigration
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laws starting in the 19 uh in earnest in the 50s 60s and 70s uh
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mexican workers mexican and central american workers would come here
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they would work on farms and then they’d go home because they could yeah
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because they didn’t actually want to live here they just wanted to work on work and get money and save money and go
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home and have money and they would prefer to be home because that’s where all their people are that’s where their
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family is that’s they want to go home and so what happened was when they started restricting them you know
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making it illegal for them to come here well they weren’t going to stop coming here and so they just
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started staying here and sending for their families to come here
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so if the goal of laws against certain types of economic migration
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are to stop people from coming here and to you know stop america from being a
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welfare trap it literally does the opposite so yeah it’s hypocrisy
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but also if you’re the mayor of a city that’s having a bunch of people that you now have an obligation to provide
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taxpayer services to and you don’t even know who they are it’s also understandable which is why they should be calling for
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ending the war on migration so they could just come here and not
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have all that happen and go back and go and go back or come and stay and
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go back come and go as they please and then that means when we go to mexico we’re not being stopped by by the way
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it’s important to know this because a lot of people say oh it’s just to keep people out of our borders and they
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usually misspell our and borders when they say that um but they’ll say uh you know we need to uh there are
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borrowers um but they’ll say that uh you know they spell it borders it’s just the wrong kind
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that’s true it is borders but it’s b-o-a-r-d-e-r-s and uh but they’ll say that uh well it’s
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just when you’re coming back what most people don’t know is now when you leave the us uh you’re being stopped by the us
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border patrol on the way out too surely that won’t end up being scary the
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government telling you if you’re allowed to leave the country on your car
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that you own not not visa requirements in the co your own country
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telling you whether you can leave
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your country you’ve already worked it out with the country that you’re going to
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but your government would like to talk to you about that first
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and probably take any money you have that’s more than a couple hundred bucks
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what’s truly wild about the immigration issue that we have
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is it’s a relatively new
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problem that we have yeah and for those listening on audio i did the finger quotes around problem um
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thank you for listening on anchor or your favorite podcasting platform but
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back in the 1980 debates between ronald reagan and
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george h.w bush somebody said what are we going to do about illegal immigration
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and their answers were not answers you would expect from two republicans they were
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saying we need to welcome these people they’re looking for better lives we need to bring them in we need to and
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not put them through this terrible process of going through immigration like
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nothing you would expect from republicans that was in 1980
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then 9 11 happened 21 years later
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and then it was we can’t allow anybody into this nation yeah well not without going through the
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absurd legal process that we just blasted for the last 50 years it’s important for everyone to remember
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that historically it was the economically illiterate democrat labor
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socialist labor unionist who pushed for immigration controls
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for two reasons number one because democrats uh were racist uh and then
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also number two i mean let’s be clear because they were racist and uh number two uh because they
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bought into all the economic fallacies that your average trumper now supports uh ideas about displacement and and and
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wage reduction and all the nonsense that is demonstrably false uh in actual terms um but that’s the uh
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that’s the that’s so now it’s the republicans saying that and instead of instead of the democrats typically
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giving good economic arguments they just call the republicans racist
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unless it’s a democrat doing it ergo uh and that brings us to uh
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karine jean-pierre saying hey where are you going to get the pesos for your racist wall now saying well
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actually walls don’t work that’s why joe biden is building finishing them yeah but no
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but not but not finishing them he’s not finishing this he’s cleaning up the mess the walls don’t work and they’re a waste
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of money but we’re gonna finish not finished we’re gonna but we’re gonna not finish it it’s just
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something not finished we’re gonna clean up the mess i love how she said it it was like just not acknowledging that the
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mess that she’s referring to is the lack of a finished wall and that the cleaning up and now i’m using air quotes of the mess
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was to finish that wall anyway uh so
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and so yes this was understandable this was understandable hypocrisy but you know what’s not hypocrisy
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listening to muddy waters on tuesday night and then listening to us on wednesday night that’s completely
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understandable and it’s not hypocritical it’s actually the only logical thing to do uh so join us tomorrow night for our
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next episode of the muddy waters of freedom same money place same money time tomorrow and uh we look forward to
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hearing from you to talking with you then and where we’re going we don’t need roads
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