Episode 142 – Giving North Carolina Troopers the Bird

The Muddied Waters of Freedom with Matt Wright & Spike Cohen


About This Episode

Warren tops the polls as the Dems choice for VP, the Supreme Court hears online oral arguments, Trump is up in some polls, a woman in Washington is facing fines to help people for free, and we look at a North Carolina case where a man is pulled over for flipping the bird.

Featuring a Personal Injury Attorney Chris Reynolds Attorney-at-Law Call-In segment and a Vermin/Spike2020 update.

Kava from Benjamin Daniel Morris Chestnut the VII
Water from Kroger


Episode Transcript

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you are destroyed forever and you will
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never be we’re also testing
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disinfectants readily available we’ve
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tested bleach we’ve tested isopropyl
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alcohol I can tell you that bleach will
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kill the virus in five minutes and
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that’s with no manipulation so suppose
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we hit the buddy
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I assume the disinfectant suppose we hit
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the buddy you’re tremendous ultraviolet
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suppose we hit somebody I said the
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disinfectant suppose we hit somebody
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you’re tremendous ultraviolet we’re
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leading the way in so many different
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ways supposing it with a light inside
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the body in some other ways as we
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continue to develop potential therapies
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I see the disinfectant I see the
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disinfectant I think people are gonna
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know you’re gonna know I’m gonna know if
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the people don’t know if you’re gonna
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know I’m gonna know I think people don’t
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know
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I see the disinfectant this whole curse
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this whole play and is there way we can
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do something like that injection suppose
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we hit somebody
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I see the disinfectant you suppose we
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hit the body your tremendous ultraviolet
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or suppose we hit somebody
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the body your tremendous ultraviolet as
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we continue our battle against the virus
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that data in fact suggest that we’re
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making great progress my tremendous
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ultraviolet or the invisible enemy and
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then I said supposing you brought the
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light inside your body and then I see
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the disinfectant ultraviolet through the
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skin and it’s working very well you’re a
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big deal we will end this plague and I
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see the disinfectant I say the
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disinfectant gets really powerful we hit
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the body
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I see the disinfectant suppose we hit
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the body a tremendous ultraviolet
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we hit the buddy I see the disinfectant
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you suppose we hit somebody
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good morning good afternoon or good
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evening and welcome to the vanguard for
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spike jus on say Cohen I am Matt Wright
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and together we are traversing the
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muddied waters of freedom thank you hey
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welcome everyone jus on say that’s jus
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thing I was hoping that it would be June
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dia re because I’ve been singing I am
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NOT my hair and crying a lot this past
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week hey everybody thanks for having me
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by the way that Sun has to be just
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brutal to you right now so brutal right
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now is 15 minutes you want to go baby
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shut that blind or whatever that I did
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before the break it was much worse
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before hands wow it must have just been
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like yeah no that’s it’s hurting need
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for you yeah no it does it does not feel
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amazing before there was like zero there
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zero protection there and it was just
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coming in blasting and it’s it almost
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looks like zero now so I definitely feel
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bad for you yeah okay well good well
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folks I hope you had a good week let’s
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let’s get right at it I actually so we
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were starting a half-hour early because
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it was supposed to be an hour early but
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I was a half hour late so that worked
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out to us being a half hour early
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because I’m going to be at on a zoom
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call which I believe is being
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live-streamed over at the Libertarian
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Party of Chicago with vermin supreme I’m
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doing that at 9:00 Eastern so we have to
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make sure we get this show done before
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let’s get right to it here are the so
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we’re start with the not sort so
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speaking of getting right to it
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Liz Warren was warned noted day drinker
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Liz Warren has searched to the top of a
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pole by CBS News asking Democrats who
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their preferred vice presidential
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candidate for Joe Biden would be Matt
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that’s right when asked about being the
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prospect of being the nominee Elizabeth
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Warren suggested their campaign slogan
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could be something along the lines of
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biding our time till Warren yeah that’s
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what kind of what it would be dad as uh
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and invitin has said this in the past
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he’s like I think I’d only be a
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transition president which is probably
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accurate he may be a transition
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presidential candidate i i mean he’s not
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he’s not having a good day he’s you know
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he’s he’s this is him with everything
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hey Joe yeah so I
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definitely would not be surprised if it
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ended up being Liz Warren for president
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but we shall see we said before we was
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it last week that we said that we think
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he probably if he were smart he would
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pick either like a Klobuchar or a Stacey
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Abrams or um that woman I’ve never heard
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of in Florida
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Mel Demmings Val Demings but that we
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determined that because he isn’t gonna
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make a smart decision it’ll probably end
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up being common law Harris right yeah it
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could be was warned to which I think
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also would not be a good choice I don’t
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think that would be a good choice I mean
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basically then you would have Delaware
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you would have Delaware and the
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Massachusetts and so you’d have the
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Northeast covered but you’re not doing
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anything for the Midwest doing anything
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for the Midwest or the south where the
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south
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yeah it wouldn’t be smart now I like
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this pairing if I’m the end up being the
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VP candidate and in a debate with her
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because I don’t think she’ll have me
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killed
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fair so I’m very happy that it looks
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like Hillary Clinton is out of the out
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of the ditch content she’s not I was
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reading an article the other day about
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how there’s the possibility that they
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are gonna take a look at Hillary Clinton
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or they’re gonna be like hey Biden
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you’ve got you know dementia or whatever
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right you’ve got dementia or whatever so
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maybe it’s time for you to step down and
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we put somebody else in and they get
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nominated at Convention and Hillary
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Clinton’s name of course comes up Oh God
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can you imagine they say Oh Joe you
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should pick Hillary Clinton no that’s
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terrible
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why uh-oh I can’t even imagine so
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speaking of old people the Supreme Court
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heard their first conference call oral
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arguments in the time of the corona
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fuffeling
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that we’re going through right now Crona
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public although the corona thought the
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time of the corona fawful and they have
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it was this on zoom’ it so it was a
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teleconference it didn’t say what it was
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it didn’t say what it was on it just
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said that it was a teleconference so I
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assume that since everybody during the
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corona fluffle has been on zoom’ I’m
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assuming it was on Zoom I don’t think I
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mean they’re all outside of like Gorsuch
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they’re all in their 60s so maybe it was
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on skype maybe it was on Google Hangouts
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I don’t really know but it was available
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for anybody to listen in and it could
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possibly change the way the court takes
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cases in the future right we do we do we
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have the screen grab from that meeting
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we do I’m getting it right now so all
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right okay um we’re working on there
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right now so you just keep saying the
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things meet the case had to do with
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whether or not booking.com can copyright
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their name it’s pretty much thought that
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they chose this case is the first case
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where people could listen in because the
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last lack of Supreme Court sexiness that
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comes with the copywriting of the name
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booking.com because they don’t want to
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go with anything too controversial
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this was whether booking.com can reserve
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the name like booking as a copyright
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yeah that was the extent of this that
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was the extent of it yep couldn’t it it
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was noted that this was like the third
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time in 15 years that Clarence Thomas
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asked questions he didn’t usually ask
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ask questions no so apparently he kind
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of reserves that for everybody else and
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then makes the judgment based on the
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questions that they’ve asked in the last
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15 years he’s asked questions three
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times and it was 10 years before that
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was the last time he asked a question
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well that’s that’s interesting mm-hmm I
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knew we didn’t ask questions a lot but I
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didn’t think it was that severe that he
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never ya know he barely ever asks
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questions well breaking news here we do
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have a screenshot
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from that from that zoom call and as you
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can see Ruth Bader Ginsberg’s not sure
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how to use a computer properly aiming it
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well above her head so we we have we
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have so yeah so that was so so they used
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something and really this was all just a
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vehicle for that joke right yeah I
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didn’t care about that case even a
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little bit just wanted to make that joke
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that’s fair
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let’s see Matt Hicks says he’s busy
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fishing the pubes out of his coke he’s
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talking about you right well that’s fair
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law or know speaking of setups for jokes
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right we have a special edition that
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will be a regular part of muddy waters
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or at least a regular occasional part
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right in occasional an occasional
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regular part this may happen again
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that’s what I’m trying to say we have a
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new correspondent whose job will be
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apparent very soon this is our here’s
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our correspondent Sierra in a new Iowa
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poll President Trump is leading Biden by
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two oddly this is the same number of
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digits Biden is accused of penetrating
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Tara Reid with
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I cannot believe Ciara would write such
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a joke that makes me disgusted I see
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your ear I expect so much Ciara
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that was not we here at Muddy Waters
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media are strongly against rape we are
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strongly strongly against rape and
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sexual assault really any any kind of
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assault but especially sexual in nature
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and that was just beyond the pale Sierra
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Sierra Sierra I expect more from you see
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here Sierra so anything else we want to
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say about that segment Matt Hicks really
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enjoyed that joke that makes it yes
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Sierra as you could see in the very
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short 14 second clip there she is our
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offensive joke correspondent so you will
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be seeing her anytime that one of us
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writes a joke that neither one of us are
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willing to say yeah and I did not write
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that one Sierra did ierra wrote that
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joke that was a Sierra joke that was all
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Sierra now thankfully at least she was
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wearing pants oh no it was definitely
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not wearing pants while filming gosh
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okay well then I don’t know if we’re
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gonna keep doing that but we will we
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will see we may or may not continue
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having a pantsless Sierra tell the jokes
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that we are too scared and or running
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for office to tell so we shall see we’ll
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see how that works out
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we’ll see based on what you guys think
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so speaking of kind of an inappropriate
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thing that is sort of funny but makes
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everyone still be kind of scared about
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how things are gonna proceed kim
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jeong-hoon
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made a public appearance ending weeks of
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speculation on whether or not he was
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alive that’s true
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and feminists from around the globe are
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upset to hear this because it delayed
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the possibility of the first female
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dictator of the Democratic People’s
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Republic through a real shame there yeah
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so been a huge step forward for women
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everywhere a huge step forward nothing
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shows a quality among the sexes like a
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woman watching her people starve to
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death and giggling while they die in the
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streets
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hashtag girl power girl power that’s
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some girl power right there
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girl power so speaking of girl power
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North Carolina Matt well learn kick girl
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power don’t know what this has to do
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with girl power I don’t know so North
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Carolina highway trooper Paul Stevens
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was assisting another as they were
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allegedly helping a stranded motorist I
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don’t know why I put that in quotes he
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accused of sexual assault maybe during
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this encounter it was during this
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encounter that Sean Ellis drove by
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pumping the bird literally how it was
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described pom pom doesn’t know this just
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he was pumping the bird he was pumping
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the bird he was pumping that I’ve heard
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of flipping the bird I haven’t and I
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don’t believe I’ve never heard of
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pumping the bird
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I don’t really was I guess I mean that
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would make sense there has to be some
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kind of pumping action one would think I
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mean I mean normally you just kind of do
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that right unless them and then you do
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this but maybe he was actually like
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there was a pumping motion there could
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be like he was trying to get a trucker
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to blow the horn at the same while he
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did it just for additional effect very
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possibly you really get his attention
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just in case so he was pumping the bird
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at the cops from the passenger side of
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his best friend’s ride hollering at the
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cops
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he ain’t no scrub Stevens claims that
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because of the bird being pumped he and
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the driver were engaged in disorderly
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conduct and pulled them over during the
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half mile pursuit no traffic laws were
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broken half mile pursuit yeah cuz he got
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in the car didn’t went after home and
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that it was only a half mile before I
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was gonna say that just sounds like the
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cop went up and a half mile later pulled
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him over and what happened yeah I was
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gonna say a half mile pursuit doesn’t
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sound like there was any real pursuit it
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was just yeah that’s definitely not
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really a pursuit it was just the cop
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pulled him over yeah that what was
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written in the report so after he pumped
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the bird after you pumped the bird when
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the trooper asked for the IDS both Ellis
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and the driver initially said no they’re
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like no right not giving you not giving
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you the IDS you can only get these
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eventually the driver did cave in and
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give his ID
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Ellis still refused but did give his
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name and birthday earning himself a
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citation for resisting arrest delaying
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arrest and obstructing an officer hmm
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how did he resist arrest
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you so far you have everything in the
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report that I saw this is I want to meet
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who probably Stephens is probably who
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wrote this
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probably yeah that would be my distinct
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delaying or obstructing an officer by
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pumping the old bird there yeah by
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pumping me but and also by not giving
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the ID which he doesn’t actually have to
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write which isn’t right while on trial
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for obstruction Sean Ellis oh my god I
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just realized I know a show on Ellis in
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North Carolina that’d be really weird if
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that was him I dunno
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are you Facebook friends with him yeah I
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am Facebook friends was not going to
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look for I don’t know if it’s spelled
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the same Ellis attempted to file a
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motion to suppress Stephens testimony in
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the events based on the fact that
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Stephens did not have reasonable
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justification to make the stop in the
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first place because all that was done
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was a little pumping of a bird the old
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bird pump the old bird pump the trial
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court denied this motion so it was taken
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to the New York it was taken to the New
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York sorry the North Carolina Court of
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Appeals and the appellate cool court
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ruled in August of 2019 that Stevens had
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reasonable suspicion of disorderly
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conduct to make the stop because of this
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because of this
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I really hope no kids are watching this
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show and they’re like what’s this mean
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so I’m looking for Sean Ellis on your
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friends list but you have it set so I
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can only see our Mutual’s so I guess
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we’ll never know I guess so I guess man
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but the Ford is really kind of to make
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the stop it was not obvious to the
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trooper that the defendant was simply
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engaging in free speech toward him when
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he was gesturing out of his vehicle
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window is what the court said that’s
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because they did not see this as
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engaging in free speech right they
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thought that yeah he had to be doing
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something else it’s good to see Shawn
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Whitehead back in the comments I’m not
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gonna lie yeah I’m happy about that yeah
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welcome back Shawn yes so Shawn
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technically it wasn’t flipping he was
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pumping pumping he was pumping the bird
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different different scenario flipping is
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normal pumping is disorderly and due to
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the fact that Ellis hadn’t ID’d himself
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or given up the ID the court ruled that
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Stephens was justified in further
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detaining of Ellis but this was the
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initial ruling not the Supreme Court
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this was the appeals this was the second
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okay on Friday
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the North Carolina Supreme Court
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reversed the appellate court decision
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explaining that the facts of the case
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were insufficient to provide reasonable
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suspicion that Ellis was engaged in
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disorderly conduct and they were quoted
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as saying the fact that trooper Stevens
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was unsure of whether defendants gesture
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may have been directed at another
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vehicle does not on its own provide
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reasonable suspicion that defendant
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intended to or was plainly likely to
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provoke violent retaliation from another
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driver right exactly
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likewise the mere fact that the
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defendants gesture changed from waving
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so apparently at some point I changed to
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waiving to flipping the bird
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maybe that’s what pumping the bird is is
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when you start with a wave and then
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knock it back out and the bird flip that
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could be the old pump that’s like that
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suppose the Royal bird flip oh okay
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right
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it was insufficient to conclude
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defendants conduct was likely to cause a
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breach of the peace so I guess the
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argument that the that the Stevens that
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trooper Stevens was trying to give is
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that if he was giving the bird to
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another car he was trying to incite
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violence so it was disorderly conduct
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the fact that he was just giving it to a
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cop was not disorderly I kind of like
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the knot yeah actually I’m okay with
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they do it to someone else if you do it
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to a human it’s fine if you do it to a
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police officer no if you do it to
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another person it’s bad if you do it to
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it if you do it completely fine down
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pumping urn there have been there have
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been many cases where courts have ruled
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that you have a lot of free speech when
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it comes to cops it’s just whether or
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not you can afford to get that far all
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right courts have already ruled in favor
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of the following behaviors well first
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pumping or flipping the bird yeah
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there’s a new one yeah the new one that
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you can do flashing your headlights to
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warn of speed traps ahead mm-hmm totally
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legal remember that yep sorry it’s
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already been decided on playing NWA’s
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fuck the police that’s the name of the
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song
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that’s the name by NWA in the presence
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of an officer totally fine you’re
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allowed to do it and proudly displaying
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and I eat ass bumper sticker hey Mista
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did we talk about that on the show no
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but it was in the list on the thing of
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things that fake things that are legal
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for you to do and I said well I’m adding
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that deletion definitely adding that
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good to know and bass has a very good
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point over on YouTube he says remember
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to only flash high beams twice to signal
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police trap yes that is very valid what
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happens if you do it more than twice you
26:49
might think that somebody’s lights are
26:51
off around you or okay it’s just an
26:54
pacifically that the two for the cops
26:57
that’s that’s just the standard that’s
26:59
fair
27:00
great that’s fair all right cool well so
27:04
and if you ever have well I don’t know
27:08
if this is true but if I had any
27:10
problems
27:10
the police in the Tampa Bay area I would
27:15
talk to Chris Reynolds personal injury
27:18
attorney Chris Reynolds attorney at law
27:19
who may not want to represent me because
27:22
he’s a personal injury attorney but he
27:24
was like I don’t know but speaking of
27:29
which we have now the personal injury
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28:11
that one is no that one is from my old
28:15
show from last week so we aren’t doing
28:18
that we have two questions both are for
28:20
more from the delicious mr. Matt Hicks
28:23
and we will be playing those right now
28:27
here’s the first one gentlemen Matt
28:31
Hicks calling in on the Chris Reynolds
28:34
personal injury attorney call-in line my
28:38
question for you today is in light of
28:40
our recent entrant into the libertarian
28:44
presidential race is it ever appropriate
28:49
for a sitting congressman to vote no
28:53
against anti-discrimination laws aimed
28:58
at particular industries and and
29:03
sectors of business and before you get
29:08
going I’ll give you my hot take so if a
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sector of industry or business is
29:15
supported in any way by government then
29:18
government has an obligation at that
29:21
point to make sure there’s no
29:22
discrimination and go
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hashtag laser legend laser legend
29:28
hashtag laser legend laser legend Matt
29:31
Hicks so if it is if if it’s being
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financed by public money or stolen
29:40
dollars meaning that the government has
29:42
taken money from all of us to pay for it
29:45
then they aren’t free to decide who they
29:49
can or cannot serve um so no absolutely
29:53
not that there would be no reason to
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vote against or vote in favor of
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allowing them to discriminate or voting
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against stopping them from
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discriminating if they’re taking public
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dollars if they’re a private firm or you
30:06
know if if when I had had my web design
30:08
company I said I’m only doing this for
30:10
Jewish that would have been my
30:12
prerogative or fight’ said I only want
30:14
to do business with Hispanic people or
30:17
black people or white people or whatever
30:18
if I if I discriminated there should be
30:22
no reason for the government to tell me
30:23
who I can and cannot choose to exclude
30:26
to do business would that’s a personal
30:28
choice and now the flip side of that is
30:31
if I’m being bigoted towards you know
30:33
many or you know some were many groups
30:36
those groups are people that you know
30:37
just don’t support that kind of
30:39
discrimination could boycott me or they
30:41
could call for people to do business
30:42
with other companies who are competing
30:44
with me so I mean there’s you know it’s
30:46
not as though I would be exempt of any
30:49
consequence from that but know there
30:51
should not be any anymore forcing me to
30:54
do that right um
30:57
yeah exactly if it’s a private company
30:59
and they want to discriminate that’s the
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wrong thing but the moment you take
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government money no yeah cuz we were all
31:07
robbed to pay for it so you have to
31:09
serve everyone right right okay so here
31:14
is the next question from
31:16
laser legend Matt Hicks hey guys it’s
31:20
Matt Hicks the hashtag laser legend
31:24
calling on the Chris Reynolds personal
31:26
injury attorney call-in line so this
31:30
morning I went outside to pick up a
31:31
bunch of sticks out of the yard that
31:33
fell out of trees during a storm and as
31:36
I went outside I sneezed from the pollen
31:38
and pulled a muscle in my back it’s one
31:41
of the foibles of getting old I guess so
31:46
I just wanted to know what you guys
31:48
think I got me you got me thinking and I
31:50
want to know what you guys think the
31:54
proper roles and responsibilities of
31:57
government are when it comes to managing
32:00
the elderly and aging thanks a lot
32:03
hashtag laser legend that was quite a
32:08
segue so that was quite a segue so I
32:13
feel you Matt Hicks on pulling a muscle
32:16
while sneezing I’ve also hurt myself
32:20
stepping into or out of a shower and
32:23
while sleeping which not really sure how
32:28
you’ve done that how you do that but
32:30
it’s been done by me as far as like the
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government’s role in taking care of the
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elderly I don’t really see them having a
32:50
role in taking care of the elderly I
32:54
think that they should get the Social
32:56
Security that they paid into it but it’s
32:59
good it’s a tough one because the
33:03
elderly are all victims of a massive
33:05
multi trillion dollar Ponzi scheme that
33:07
way had no ability other than to work
33:11
illegally or under the table they had no
33:13
way to legally avoid and so they are
33:16
basically all victims of a scam that
33:17
continues to this day the problem is
33:19
with any Ponzi scheme in order to pay
33:23
the victims the victims who are supposed
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to be being paid out you have to
33:27
continue taking from the victims who are
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paying into
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so there’s got to be a way of dealing
33:34
with that some people have proposed just
33:36
ending any new entries into the program
33:38
so no one else has to pay into it and
33:41
the people who are already getting
33:43
payouts get what they were promised with
33:46
the idea that every few years what they
33:48
were promised gets phased back until
33:49
eventually no one is getting anything
33:52
but someone’s still having to pay for
33:54
that so it’s a really difficult one but
33:57
I guess the short answer is stop
33:59
creating new victims and then figure out
34:02
how to deal with the I guess old victims
34:05
for lack of a better word long term what
34:08
is the government’s role I believe is to
34:10
dismantle itself and stop victimizing
34:11
people so in terms of what they should
34:15
be doing for the elderly I think stop
34:17
harming them would be number one and
34:18
then you know whatever restitution can
34:22
be had by selling off government or
34:24
dismantling government and selling off
34:27
its its assets but unfortunately there’s
34:30
a lot of victims that have been created
34:31
over the years by that same government
34:34
the elderly scam victims the indigenous
34:37
people whose land was stolen to make all
34:39
this that that make all of the
34:41
government so-called government-owned
34:43
land the people who were imported as
34:45
chattel slaves and and had the
34:46
government enforced that system so
34:49
there’s a lot of people there that would
34:50
be lined up for that so Oh tough one but
34:55
I think the best thing is to stop the
34:56
continued harm and then figure out what
34:58
to do with the people who have already
35:00
been harmed would be the answer to that
35:04
yeah and we did get a question over on
35:10
float okay
35:12
possibly last week not 100% sure if it
35:15
was last week or sometime during the
35:16
week okay can we explain full
35:20
decriminalization versus legalization
35:22
and why libertarians are supporting
35:24
taxing drugs instead of respecting the
35:26
nap so depending on who you ask
35:34
decriminalization is either not having
35:36
any penalties on any drugs and but also
35:40
no regulations on it which is
35:44
interesting interpretation of
35:46
decriminalization usually the legal
35:48
definition of decriminalization is it’s
35:52
still illegal
35:53
but if they catch you with it they don’t
35:56
do anything to you but they usually
35:58
still take it so in this in the
36:01
countries that have decriminalized hard
36:04
drugs um usually they’ve also legalized
36:07
marijuana so you can just smoke
36:09
marijuana if you want to but when it
36:11
comes to the to the harder drugs cocaine
36:12
heroin you know those those types of
36:15
things if they catch you with it they
36:17
take it from you but they don’t charge
36:19
you with anything and they’ll usually
36:21
direct you if you want to a you know
36:24
some kind of rehab program or whatever
36:27
but that’s voluntary they’ll give you
36:29
the option they’ll say do you want to go
36:31
to rehab and if you say no they okay and
36:33
they put you right back right exist so
36:35
it’s it’s that’s usually what
36:39
decriminalization means about a year ago
36:41
year or so ago we started seeing in
36:43
libertarian circles then some
36:45
libertarians defining decriminalization
36:48
as basically legalization but with no
36:51
with no restrictions so basically they
36:55
wouldn’t codify that it was legal they
36:57
simply wouldn’t say one way or another
36:58
and therefore since there was nothing on
37:00
the books saying that you couldn’t do it
37:02
voila you could do it but there also
37:05
wouldn’t be any regulations on it or any
37:07
taxes or anything else that’s not I mean
37:10
we could do something like that but
37:11
that’s not typically what the term
37:13
decriminalization means that would just
37:15
mean it not being mandated one way or
37:18
the other um so what these what the most
37:23
philosophically consistent answer would
37:25
be legalization it is legal you’re
37:28
allowed to do it there’s no rules on the
37:30
book saying you can’t do it for example
37:31
there’s no rule on the books saying
37:34
whether you can or can’t eat chicken you
37:37
just can because there’s nothing that
37:39
says you can’t but we don’t say that
37:41
chicken is decriminalized we just say
37:43
it’s legal um now there may be some
37:45
regulations on the preparation for
37:47
chicken and things like that and
37:48
obviously when you sell chicken like
37:49
anything else there’s whatever taxes the
37:51
state has so what I would say is we
37:56
regulate
37:57
drugs the same way we regulate chicken
38:00
or whatever you know that it would have
38:03
minimal or no regulation on it minimal
38:06
or no taxation on it basically treated
38:09
the same way everything else is and if
38:11
you want to call that decriminalization
38:12
that’s fine that isn’t what they would
38:15
call it they’d call it legalization and
38:17
ya know a consistent application of the
38:21
non-aggression principle is that you
38:23
can’t take from people which means no
38:25
taxation is morally correct under the
38:28
under the DNA P so we definitely would
38:32
not support that yes yes very good yep
38:40
very good very good
38:42
correct correct that was the right
38:46
answer
38:47
Amanda Colin says there shouldn’t be
38:49
regulation on chicken or drugs
38:51
exactly and that and that’s what I’m
38:53
saying is that if if there’s to be any
38:55
regulation it shouldn’t be any more than
38:57
just any other standard issue product
38:59
that that’s out there which means you
39:02
know again applying consistent
39:04
libertarian thought to it you know there
39:08
wouldn’t be any regulation on chicken
39:09
either that the market would be able to
39:11
make its best determinations on how to
39:13
deal with things like that like chicken
39:15
like you know drugs like alcohol like
39:18
the ultra pure drinking water like kava
39:22
like whatever else like laminated
39:24
pictures of people I don’t have anything
39:28
else what’s that kava basically has no
39:33
regulations well there you go and that
39:35
seems to been working out well right you
39:37
get you get sales tax on it and that’s
39:39
pretty much about it yeah so so those
39:42
were our questions and now without
39:46
further ado is our final topic which is
39:53
cat wealth Kathy Haley and her licensing
39:56
situation so Kathy Hay has stated for
40:05
seniors our family struggled with food
40:07
and security and a lot of people don’t
40:10
understand how hard it is
40:11
if they don’t if they don’t struggle
40:13
with that luckily Cathy is art is in a
40:16
much better place than she was back in
40:18
those days but because of it
40:21
she says I’m always looking for ways to
40:24
help people that are having a hard time
40:26
which good for her yeah there’s this is
40:30
amazing this this actually plays into a
40:32
question Matt Hicks asked a couple of
40:34
weeks ago where he said what would be
40:37
the anarchist way to do things there in
40:40
corona the corona fluffle and we said
40:44
you know give food to your neighbors
40:45
like set up peaceful right right help
40:47
people you know now she did this in
40:49
December before this whole corona full
40:53
can of got kicked off and she set up a
40:56
free food pantry in her backyard in the
40:58
state of Washington complete with
41:01
refrigerated food canned goods produce
41:05
and just basically she just wanted to
41:08
help out the less fortunate
41:09
right right um and good on her good on
41:13
her for doing it was something she cared
41:16
about and it was something that was
41:17
helping people in February again before
41:20
the corona fluffle really got kicked off
41:22
actually in Washington they already had
41:24
some cases and probably right as that
41:26
was happening yeah the County Health
41:30
Department stopped by to tell her and
41:32
her husband that they needed to
41:34
immediately stop helping people because
41:37
they didn’t have a permit or they would
41:39
face criminal prosecution because she
41:45
didn’t have a permit to give food away
41:47
for free in her backyard in her backyard
41:50
yeah in her backyard she was gonna face
41:55
criminal prosecution now so Cathy and
42:01
her husband were like okay well yeah
42:03
we’ll just get the permit but then they
42:04
found out that if they got the license
42:06
it wouldn’t be good enough to get the
42:07
pantry started she would also have to
42:09
pay a fine because you know government
42:13
yep she would also have to pay an annual
42:16
fee and she would have to abide by a
42:19
list of regulations more appropriate for
42:21
large-scale distribution centers
42:24
as opposed to just so when helping
42:27
someone read it backyard yeah yep right
42:31
yep some of the regulations included
42:35
commercial labels for cans that had to
42:38
wrap all the way around the can fresh
42:42
foods like apples oranges and bread were
42:45
prohibited a separate collection spot
42:48
where she screened every item that came
42:51
in so in spite like waited spike would
42:53
donate to me to give away my I would
42:56
have to have a separate place that I
42:57
looked at everything to make sure it was
42:59
okay she would need to elevate the
43:02
pantry above the ground disqualifying
43:05
her cupboard setup which I’m guessing
43:08
she had like just something on the
43:09
ground it said she just had cupboards in
43:11
the yep
43:12
right and even though she had to and
43:19
even though she had to elevate it the
43:22
health department never specified how
43:24
high it needed to be which is
43:26
intentionally arbitrary because if they
43:28
want to come and come up with a reason
43:29
to deny you they can just say oh it’s
43:31
not high enough mm-hmm
43:35
the Institute for justice has filed a
43:37
civil rights lawsuit on Cathy Hayes
43:39
behalf as well as on the behalf of two
43:43
women who were benefitting from the
43:45
pantry right so at bare minimum she was
43:50
helping two women and their families I’m
43:53
assuming I’m not 100% yeah uh she was
43:56
she was helping two women and their
43:58
families and now because the state of
44:02
Washington is like oh you don’t have a
44:03
license
44:06
the everybody’s getting true on her
44:09
property or her property this isn’t even
44:12
a you know it’s bad enough when we hear
44:14
about people going to the park and
44:15
feeding the homeless this is her saying
44:17
hey anyone come on over to my property
44:22
and take this food that I bought which
44:26
is my also my property on my property
44:29
and I’m welcoming you onto it and giving
44:33
it to you
44:34
they criminalized that yes
44:38
so this would be like saying if you
44:40
invited people over to have like a
44:44
cookout they could show up and say oh
44:46
you’re operating a restaurant here you
44:49
need to abide by these codes and get a
44:51
license and pay a fee that’s stupid
44:54
that’s no less stupid than what we’re
44:56
talking about right now right and the
44:59
reason I can’t believe I didn’t put that
45:01
in the notes the reason that they went
45:04
after is because she printed flyers and
45:07
distributed them and was advertising
45:09
online about the free food pantry got
45:11
free foliated her on her property on her
45:14
property
45:16
the suit says the county and fringed on
45:20
his constitutional rate when it stopped
45:21
her from giving away food on her own
45:23
property right and it alleges that it
45:26
likewise violated the two beneficiaries
45:28
constitutional rights to accept private
45:30
chary yep the town the working-class
45:36
town where he lives Clarkston sported a
45:41
20% poverty level before the corona
45:44
‘fuffeling what is higher which was
45:47
higher than the national average no hay
45:53
is really hoping for a speedy resolution
45:55
and she says the ideal outcome would be
45:58
for the county to let me and anybody
46:00
else who would like to have a little
46:01
free pantry to be able to open one up
46:03
without being afraid that they’re going
46:06
to be charged with criminal behavior
46:10
this drives home that this has nothing
46:13
to do with safety and it’s it’s only I
46:16
mean it is about control all government
46:19
actions are about control this is about
46:21
criminalizing
46:23
poverty it is about making it basically
46:28
illegal to continue living as a poor
46:32
person so they they claim that when if
46:35
you go and you bring a bunch of food to
46:37
the park to feed homeless people there
46:38
that you know well this is a safety
46:40
issue because you’re bringing it to the
46:42
public and we don’t know what happened
46:43
with that food blah blah blah which was
46:45
a stupid I mean if I had a food truck
46:47
permit I could do the same thing and
46:49
charge people but if I want to give it
46:50
away I can’t do it with
46:52
paying for that same permit and spending
46:54
all that money and again I’m not making
46:55
money so if I went to those same
46:57
homeless people and said hey I paid for
46:59
the right to give you or permission to
47:02
sell you this sandwich they’re fine with
47:05
that
47:05
but they don’t have the money for that
47:07
sandwich so if instead I say hey listen
47:09
I’m just gonna give you the sandwich
47:11
that’s bad
47:12
that’s potentially a safety hazard this
47:15
is on someone’s property this isn’t even
47:18
going somewhere to help someone or
47:20
setting another food kick you’re going
47:21
yeah there she wasn’t going to like a
47:23
public park she set this up in her back
47:25
in her backyard on her property where
47:28
she lives
47:28
I agree with it also if you’re going to
47:30
a public park oh yeah yeah no that’s
47:32
wrong too but I’m you’re saying this
47:34
takes away all pretense that this has
47:36
anything to do with public health if you
47:38
invite someone into your home to take
47:40
food that is I mean there’s none even
47:43
I’ve never heard anyone argued that that
47:45
is anyone’s business other than the
47:48
state of Washington or whatever county
47:50
she’s in this is about because so many
47:54
people especially in government hate
47:56
homeless people because homeless people
47:59
don’t pay taxes that’s really what it is
48:03
they don’t pay taxes and they often
48:05
sometimes end up having to become you
48:08
know having to take you know benefits
48:13
from from the county or the state or the
48:15
city and they often don’t vote they’re
48:18
seen as nothing not really human and
48:21
they don’t care about them and they see
48:23
them as a as a blight and an eyesore to
48:25
have to go by every day and so they
48:28
don’t want them fed so if you’re in a
48:30
situation where you can’t eat unless
48:32
someone gives it to you and especially
48:33
right now where it’s incredibly
48:35
difficult for anyone to find work
48:37
they’re basically saying it’s legal for
48:40
you to starve to death right it’s
48:44
illegal for you not to starve now Amanda
48:47
Collins in the comments over here says
48:50
technically under Georgia law it is
48:52
illegal for my friend to give me a
48:54
strawberry plant in exchange for eggs if
48:57
I take her the eggs or she brings me the
49:00
plant if we drive to each other’s house
49:03
to pick up each item it’s illegal
49:06
like that that’s absurd like and that’s
49:11
how the rules are and and people
49:14
understand which is why when people talk
49:16
about you’re going to go through the
49:17
legal process for anything I say usually
49:20
the illegal process is incredibly stupid
49:22
and you may be violating multiple legal
49:24
processes every day without even being
49:26
aware of it or without even the police
49:28
being aware of it because of how
49:30
ridiculously they’re written and how
49:32
arbitrarily they’re applied and how
49:34
unevenly they’re enforced it is
49:38
absolutely absolutely ridiculous it is
49:41
almost as ridiculous as that segment
49:44
that Ciara did earlier Ciara apparently
49:49
has gotten a little bit of flack from it
49:50
according to some messages I mean it’s
49:54
just you know you know there’s humor and
49:57
then sometimes things just aren’t funny
49:58
Ciara heard somebody in her family was
50:05
not happy about that shit well I’d be
50:09
lying if I said I was frankly I’d be
50:14
laughs I said that so so this is another
50:17
story of just people trying to help you
50:21
know people ask us oh well but without
50:23
government who would help the poor we
50:24
would and the government would stop
50:26
trying to stop us from helping the poor
50:28
and they’d stop creating so much poverty
50:30
in the first place with their terrible
50:31
economic policies and their their
50:33
occupational licensing laws and all of
50:36
the things that they put in place to
50:37
basically incentivize poverty and make
50:40
it almost impossible to get out of
50:43
poverty for so many people they remove
50:44
so many of the bottom rungs from the
50:46
economic ladder that unless you have
50:48
some kind of incredibly impressive
50:49
vertical leap you’re not going to be
50:51
able to work your way up you’re gonna be
50:52
stuck in your generational poverty and
50:54
that’s how they want it and if you
50:56
starve well at least you violet you
50:58
broke you didn’t break the law and
51:01
that’s basically how so many of these
51:04
laws are written and they’re at the
51:06
county and state and city level so yes
51:09
there are problems at the federal level
51:11
yes there are problems at the state
51:12
level but the problem isn’t house the
51:15
problem isn’t just how centralized it is
51:18
that’s part of the problem
51:19
the problem is the idea that any central
51:21
authority even if it’s your local city
51:23
government or your county government
51:24
have any authority to tell you how your
51:27
how to live your life and tell others
51:29
how to live their lives you know I I I
51:32
there’s not a discernible difference
51:34
between having some terrible tyrant in
51:36
Washington DC and a bunch of and a bunch
51:38
of tiny terrible tyrants in all of our
51:40
cities and counties it’s the same thing
51:42
you’re actually far more likely to get
51:44
hurt by a cop local or county or state
51:47
cop than by any federal agent it’s it’s
51:50
exponentially higher that you’ll be
51:52
we’ve all we all have stories of you
51:54
know less than happy run-ins with our
51:56
local police probably not so much with
51:59
federal police most of us so most now
52:03
the good news is this is all soon going
52:05
to end because soon because you’re gonna
52:09
accept Sierras invite to meet her in the
52:14
parking lot where she’s going to try to
52:16
fight a man I mean we can record it if
52:23
that happens I would be happy to me
52:25
Sierra in the parking lot I’m sure she
52:28
has some great jokes she can tell me no
52:33
the good news even though apparently I’m
52:37
gonna get beat up by a petite blonde
52:40
woman later on this evening is that soon
52:46
all of this is going to end because soon
52:48
firm and supreme and I are going to be
52:51
the president and the vice president of
52:53
these United States and we are going to
52:55
single-handedly fix all of your problems
52:58
especially if one of your problems is
53:01
that you don’t have a pony and to that
53:03
end here are some updates from our
53:06
campaign for the week so first of all
53:09
results are in from the Libertarian
53:12
Party presidential recruitment
53:14
competition and we absolutely crushed it
53:17
we had we’ve been doing regular updates
53:19
on this we’ve been crushing it from the
53:20
beginning we ended up getting more
53:23
almost twice as many recruitments in the
53:29
month of April as every other
53:33
presidential candidate combined which is
53:36
fairly impressive and well what more
53:40
than more than all of them combined and
53:42
something like three times as many as
53:44
the next highest who was Jacob
53:48
Hornberger and we we did a great you
53:50
know everyone congratulations to
53:52
everyone for trying and for you know
53:54
joining and helping people shout out to
53:57
Justin Amash who scored one new member
54:02
of the of the Libertarian Party
54:04
congratulations to him for that and yes
54:09
so then later on in the we didn’t he
54:12
didn’t register it cuz he wasn’t in this
54:14
competition but we’ll just put a one
54:15
there uh where it would say a mosh put a
54:21
one there right it’d be right there in
54:24
between is this in alphabetical order
54:26
yep yeah first name so in between moms
54:32
and Gen John Mons and Ken Armstrong you
54:35
would have just a mosh with a little
54:37
nice little sliver there well the yellow
54:41
sliver it’s it’s like they just
54:43
highlighted the line above just though
54:46
just the line of pixels directly above
54:48
the black line right be for Justin Amash
54:51
there when he recruited Justin Amash and
55:00
no one else so another cool thing
55:03
happened I participated in my first vice
55:06
presidential debate forum and it’s not
55:11
what’s up wasn’t a debate it was a forum
55:13
and it was a forum it really wasn’t a
55:15
debate it was an incredibly congenial
55:16
and conversational and we had a really
55:17
good time we had a little you know if I
55:21
may as somebody who was not a part of it
55:25
but got to watch it in its entirety live
55:29
that was actually a there were some
55:32
really good discussions and it was
55:35
brought up numerous times by I think all
55:37
three of the candidates that were there
55:39
that it wasn’t that they disagreed on
55:43
ideas it was that they disagreed on how
55:45
to do it and then it was just
55:47
whether or not the part the the viewer
55:49
got to decide which route to the idea
55:53
they liked best yeah that’s really what
55:57
it was like we all agreed on the I don’t
55:59
think there was with the exception of
56:01
maybe taxation where Ken does believe
56:04
that there is some legitimate role for
56:06
government to tax for certain things but
56:08
but not but not many things and I don’t
56:11
want to misrepresent intends not a pro
56:12
tax guy by any stretch um whereas you
56:16
know the rest of us were kind of saying
56:18
no we’d like to work towards you know a
56:20
fully voluntary thing even though Larry
56:22
is fine with a transitional type of tax
56:24
all that to say for the most part we all
56:26
agreed that we want to work towards a
56:29
mostly or fully in my case fully a
56:32
voluntary Society and that that we would
56:36
not be you know that you know it was it
56:39
was a disagreement on strategy messaging
56:41
and and that kind of stuff and even that
56:43
disagreement was in you know relative
56:45
terms so it went very well and by went
56:48
very well
56:50
what I mean is that this was hosted by
56:52
the Mises caucus and then they had a a
56:56
poll afterwards for the members and I
57:01
wanted it was closed it’s closed yeah no
57:08
it was closed I didn’t I didn’t run away
57:10
with it but I won by saying and keeping
57:14
in mind that it was it was set up not
57:16
really to see who won and in fact the
57:19
question posed was you know which VP
57:21
candidate did you like the most after
57:23
the forum not so who won the debate cuz
57:25
it wasn’t really set up for someone to
57:26
win um but I did get the most votes by
57:32
seven so I’m pretty psyched about that
57:34
that I’m I was able to give my message
57:37
well there’s another poll going on we
57:39
invite you all to go to over on the
57:42
muddied waters Twitter where I am
57:44
holding onto a very very slim lead over
57:47
Larry Sharpe oh yeah you are yeah it’s a
57:53
we’re gonna pump those numbers up
57:55
shortly but Rick warmers son you got to
57:58
pump them up get a pump those working
58:00
members up me and you can help by the
58:05
way me help me by going over to at muddy
58:10
to underscore waters and scrolling down
58:12
to the old poll there and smashing that
58:16
spike Cohen button boom boo-boom
58:20
boo-boom spike calling but yeah if you
58:23
haven’t done that yet go on over and uh
58:25
smash the button for your preferred
58:28
candidate spike Owen said because I said
58:31
that I was gonna remain unbiased spike
58:33
Cohen Chris Reynolds said I voted for
58:40
spike but I also commented a gift yeah
58:43
no I saw that I saw that thank you that
58:47
was helpful
58:47
in your own special way thank you Chris
58:52
Chris Reynolds also asks if a MASH wins
58:55
the lp nomination and a spike to be as
58:57
VP will spike excise why is this like
59:01
the question of the week because he’s
59:05
only been in for a week yeah but why is
59:08
this a question like as soon as he came
59:12
in everyone’s like what about a mosh
59:14
Cohen it’s because you know he had to
59:23
have come in thinking he like we talked
59:25
about this last week when he announced
59:27
last week you know a month before the
59:30
convention was supposed to happen yes
59:36
ish yes month ish month and a half yeah
59:41
but he we talked about totally totally
59:46
derailed what I was thinking about there
59:47
but yeah we talked we talked about this
59:49
last week that he’s only entering
59:52
because he believes he has he has it
59:57
he’s got it in the bag
59:58
and the nomination yeah yeah yeah this
60:01
wasn’t said by me gonna point that out
60:04
wasn’t said by me but he was at least
60:08
promised that it would work out for him
60:11
because man that would be embarrassing
60:12
if it wasn’t
60:13
I mean can you imagine to go from being
60:16
one of the top people in Congress as a
60:18
Republican and basically the
60:20
spokesperson for Liberty Republicans to
60:23
go from that to getting basically run
60:26
out of your own party to determining
60:30
that you can’t win reelection for your
60:31
own seat as an incumbent to then not
60:35
being able to win the nomination of the
60:38
Libertarian Party even after the
60:40
Libertarian Party national social media
60:43
is retweeting every move you make as
60:46
though you are already the nominee while
60:49
while neglecting to even mention that
60:51
there are any other candidates and I’m
60:55
not like I’m not running for office so I
60:58
can I believe I believe I can say this
61:02
without any issues but if a MASH or
61:05
anybody on his team wants to give me
61:08
$10,000 I will ensure that spike Cohen
61:11
will be the VP under Animesh I’m sure
61:16
that’s what they want I’m positive that
61:19
that is definitely their preferred
61:23
outcome of all of the potential people
61:27
to run specifically me yeah that is
61:32
definitely I know if I were running for
61:34
the nomination for president I would
61:36
look for the person who was the most
61:37
outspoken against everything I was doing
61:39
and say I want that guy I want that guy
61:42
because he’s gonna make this fun and
61:44
interesting I don’t want it to be I
61:46
don’t want to be boring at all
61:47
contentious here’s the thing and this is
61:50
what I’ve said to answer Chris’s
61:52
question which has been asked I think
61:54
he’s doing this as a goof because he
61:57
likes to bother me with his questions
61:58
but I think that I’ve been asked a lot
62:02
of times with his his like I mean I’ll
62:05
go on my appearances and write stuff
62:07
like you know do you think that you know
62:11
do you want to continue paying state
62:14
debts off or do you hate do you want to
62:17
close all the schools and leave the kids
62:18
without meals during the day or like so
62:21
thank you for that Chris I so to answer
62:24
this
62:27
I just I if I am nominated I will accept
62:32
if Justin Amash is nominated to be
62:37
President and I am nominated to be vice
62:39
president a first of all the Libertarian
62:43
Party will have thoroughly demonstrated
62:45
itself to have quite a keen sense of
62:47
humor and then number two second of all
62:50
I know I did a in – first of all in
62:53
second of all second of all I I’m going
62:58
regardless of who my running mate is I’m
63:00
going to run as a radical libertarian
63:03
I’m going to run on a radical
63:05
libertarian platform I’m going to go
63:07
around the country and use the campaign
63:09
to build up local and campus affiliates
63:12
and make numerous media appearances
63:15
where I will control the conversation by
63:17
using the Socratic method to force the
63:19
media to answer why they are continuing
63:23
to you know harbor support for the the
63:26
two parties who have put us in this mess
63:28
and so I will be running that way I’m
63:30
not running a passive campaign I’m not
63:32
running a oh I’m so happy to be here
63:34
can’t wait to get on MSNBC and sit there
63:37
while they ask me set up questions and I
63:39
try to nicely answer them that’s not
63:40
what I’m gonna do and so if I’m paired
63:45
with someone who does want to do that
63:48
that will make for an interesting
63:50
campaign if that’s what did you see him
63:56
on CNN the one where he said that people
64:01
shouldn’t protest with guns you know
64:04
that one and he said you need to give
64:06
the people the the governor the
64:10
government in Michigan a break for yet
64:14
not the Liberty not the Liberty message
64:17
that you want to be spouting out there
64:20
here’s what he’s done so far he said
64:23
that nonsense and then he brought up
64:25
Nazi symbols which he wasn’t even asked
64:27
he was asked about guns and he said yeah
64:30
I heard there were some Nazi symbols
64:32
where that’s not to say that no one had
64:35
Nazi symbols out there so okay there
64:37
there there were but it was like
64:41
saying that the government was being the
64:43
Nazis right there was that part of it
64:46
and then there was another part of it
64:48
where like an Tifa showed up and like
64:51
they tried to blend in oh my god oh yeah
64:53
look we’re not saying but in the end
64:58
most of the time people were being we’re
65:01
calling the governor Whitmer governor
65:04
Whitmer calling a Herbert the Nazi right
65:07
which is not the best way I mean jus
65:11
here
65:12
better ways to message whatever but if
65:15
someone’s asking me a question about
65:17
someone’s optics on messaging the first
65:19
thing I’m going to say is that the onus
65:21
here is on government for creating these
65:23
conditions and we can sit here and and
65:25
and you know beat up normal everyday
65:29
citizens about the political optics of
65:31
how they’re doing stuff they’re not
65:32
politicians they’re not activists they
65:35
just want to be able to get back to work
65:36
they just want their lives to be able to
65:38
for them to be able to responsibly make
65:41
decisions based on the information they
65:43
now have on this virus as opposed to
65:46
being told everyone stay home right now
65:48
the murder Hornets supposedly if you get
65:52
stung by one of these things you’re
65:54
likely to die it doesn’t matter how old
65:58
you are or your overall health you’re
66:01
probably gonna die okay now imagine if
66:03
there were a bunch of these things which
66:05
that’s what Hornets do imagine if they
66:08
told you you just had to stay in your
66:09
house till they killed all the Hornets
66:11
unless you were going to the store
66:15
unless you were going to a big-box store
66:17
like Walmart or Target who can afford to
66:20
keep all these protocols in place and
66:21
still remain open but not a small
66:24
business they just have to stay closed
66:27
until they lose everything and of course
66:30
you know of that six trillion dollar
66:32
stimulus 4 trillion of it went to big
66:34
businesses another one trillion went to
66:36
medium and and and and large sized
66:38
businesses and I think 300 billion of
66:41
the six trillion went to $1,200 checks
66:46
for people once which many people still
66:51
haven’t gotten
66:53
and are being told yeah you’re just not
66:55
gonna be working for a while until we
66:58
flatten the curve that’s who’s out there
67:00
so know if someone asked me a dumbass
67:04
question like that I’m gonna flip it
67:05
around on them about what government did
67:07
why they’re the reason we’re even here
67:08
in the first place I’m not going to a
67:10
perfect example I’m not going to
67:11
passively answer their dumbass question
67:13
that was designed for me to throw my own
67:15
movement under the bus or look like a
67:17
fool for defending it like he did
67:22
seasoned politician that he is
67:24
apparently so if he’s only using bashing
67:31
Trump recently bashing other politicians
67:34
he’s not great at or apparently he’s
67:37
good at bashing protesters just those
67:39
ones I I just
67:42
if the Libertarian Party decides that
67:48
they want to run a campaign of never
67:50
Trump virtue signaling and then want to
67:53
temper it by having a principled
67:55
libertarian as the VP okay I will
67:59
absolutely serve in that capacity I’m
68:01
not going to play the never Trump virtue
68:03
signaling game we don’t like Trump
68:05
either we don’t like his policies but we
68:07
don’t pretend that he’s some unique
68:09
wrong that isn’t just an extension the
68:12
log next logical conclusion of the
68:14
entire history of the US federal
68:15
government and the concept of statism in
68:18
the u.s. because he is he’s just part of
68:22
the problem he’s not the problem and if
68:26
my running mate is saying oh no he’s the
68:28
problem I’ll be saying oh no he’s not so
68:32
if I am if I am nominated I will serve
68:37
and we will see how that works out if
68:41
I’m nominated and paired with vermin or
68:43
or another principled libertarian who
68:46
wants to present the full libertarian
68:49
message then I that should work well if
68:55
I’m being paired with someone who wants
68:58
to anti Trump signal and hope that
69:03
people ignore his positions on
69:04
immigration and more
69:07
then uh we can do that too so let’s see
69:13
what’s here with comments Oh Seth Thomas
69:15
Benton says that I would have his vote
69:17
if I told him that Ken Armstrong would
69:21
sing him on stage at the presidential
69:22
debates was gonna happen oh he would
69:26
oh Justin would well I’ll do that I’ll
69:29
Kim can conceive me on I’ll have Ken see
69:33
me on for anything like I’d do that even
69:36
if you weren’t saying offering this I
69:37
would prefer I think Ken would be the
69:40
ideal person to sing me on two stages
69:43
moving forward I’ll have him sing me
69:47
onto my show I’m gonna text him after
69:53
this cuz I kind of like that idea so
70:01
yeah yeah poorly run cities will poorly
70:09
run he oh you live in Youngstown Ohio
70:12
row I feel for you the schools are
70:18
closed the city is empty one home out of
70:21
ten is owned yeah
70:23
I accidentally drove into Youngstown one
70:26
time driving to Toronto took the wrong
70:30
exit was supposed to go to Erie ended up
70:33
in Youngstown instantly realized I was
70:36
not in Erie PA yeah that’s what I’m
70:41
taking you to did not take me long I
70:44
thought where am I and then I saw the
70:48
signs that said Youngstown I went oh
70:50
I’ve heard of this place
70:52
we should leave and we did I have many
70:58
stories about Youngstown related to the
71:00
Dunkin Donuts there but we don’t have
71:02
enough time for that Chris Reynolds says
71:04
spike Trump isn’t so bad sure so what so
71:12
– so on Thursday I gotta I gotta head
71:15
out shortly so on Thursday we are doing
71:18
the very first
71:20
muddied the muddied zoom get together
71:25
with all three yes there are three
71:28
members all three members of money
71:30
Ponder’s me all three minutes that’s
71:31
right there are three members you just
71:35
haven’t seen Jason for a while yeah but
71:37
you will have all three of us on a zoom
71:40
call together and if you are a member of
71:44
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71:48
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71:52
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71:54
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71:56
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71:59
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72:02
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72:04
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72:07
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72:09
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72:12
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72:14
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72:26
correctly and it’s been three questions
72:28
which I will say only one person has
72:31
answered correctly so I guess what we’re
72:33
trying to say is it really doesn’t
72:35
matter it doesn’t matter how you answer
72:37
I’m just looking for a specific set of
72:40
answers and one person was given them
72:47
never showed what’s that you have a show
72:50
tomorrow possibly I had a guest but they
72:55
had they had to drop out and so somebody
72:58
dropped out on the future vice president
73:00
I really know it was they needed to but
73:03
so I’m going to so I what’s uh they’re
73:08
having a baby the baby they had a baby
73:10
that was on fire
73:11
yes um and so I will I’ll get back to
73:15
you on that
73:15
we will though very shortly if I’m
73:17
having a show or not and and then we’ll
73:20
be doing the zoom thing on Thursday on
73:24
Friday Vermin Supreme and I will be
73:25
doing a large zoom delegate call with I
73:29
think a few different states at the same
73:30
time and then
73:32
gosh what am i doing that sir it’s
73:36
gotten so crazy um let’s see I’m not
73:41
gonna let like I really enjoy the late
73:44
night phone calls that we have now yes
73:46
what we’re we’ll talk it like 10 or 11
73:49
o’clock at night and you are so loopy
73:52
from talking all day long day long
73:54
that you just sort of ramble for an hour
73:57
and I just kind of throw in comments
73:59
here there yeah so I’m this weekend I’m
74:03
gonna be if you’re a delegate there’s a
74:05
good chance you might be hearing for me
74:06
cuz I’m just doing more of those and
74:09
then one day what I got here nothing
74:12
there you have Monday off
74:15
I have money well making delegate calls
74:18
and then Tuesday come right back here
74:22
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74:27
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74:28
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74:37
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74:42
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76:52
so thanks again for tuning in we will
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see you next week and where we’re going
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we don’t need roads then sang Moses and
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the children of Israel the songs under
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the Lord
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[Applause]
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[Music]
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[Applause]
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[Music]
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[Music]
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you are destroyed forever and you will
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never be we’re also testing
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disinfectants readily available we’ve
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tested bleach we’ve tested isopropyl
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alcohol I can tell you that bleach will
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kill the virus in five minutes and
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that’s with no manipulation
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so suppose we hit somebody I see the
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disinfectant you suppose we hit the body
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you’re tremendous ultraviolet suppose we
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hit the body I said the disinfectant
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suppose we hit the body your tremendous
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ultraviolet we’re leading the way in so
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many different ways supposing you
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brought the light inside the body in
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some other ways as we continue to
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develop potential therapies I see the
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disinfectant
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I see the disinfectant I think people
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are gonna know you’re gonna know I’m
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gonna know if the people that I know I’m
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gonna know I think people they’re not I
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see the disinfectant this whole curse
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this whole play and is there a way we
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can do something like that injection
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suppose we hit the body
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I see the disinfectant you suppose we
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hit the body a tremendous ultraviolet
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suppose we hit the body
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I see the disinfectant you suppose we
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hit the body a tremendous ultraviolet as
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we continue our battle against the virus
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the data in fact suggests that we’re
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making great progress
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tremendous ultraviolet for the invisible
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enemy and then I said supposing you
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brought the light inside your body and
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then I see the disinfectant ultraviolet
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through the skin and it’s working very
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well you’re a big deal we will end this
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plague and then I see the disinfectant
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I say the disinfectant that’s really
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powerful we hit the body
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I see the disinfectant suppose we hit
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the body the tremendous ultraviolet
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suppose we hit somebody I see the
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disinfectant you suppose we hit the body
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your tremendous


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