Episode 120 – LIBERTARIGEDDON SC 2020

The Muddied Waters of Freedom with Matt Wright & Spike Cohen


About This Episode


Hot off their insane weekend at the South Carolina Libertarian Convention and Debate, Matt and Spike are going to play the Debate and live-react to it. They’re also going to show some choice snippets from the convention, as well as our Red Carpet Interviews of some of the stars of the liberty movement.

Also, Spike and Vermin Supreme have a special moment on TikTok, and Jo Jorgensen has a special moment with herself.


Episode Transcript

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hey everybody for spike I’ve got Chris
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Reynolds on my shirt
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: I am Matt Wright and we are here in
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person in person in Myrtle Beach South
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Carolina the beautiful dirty Myrtle
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that’s right murder Beach we had a we
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had a great weekend we had an amazing
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weekend so there were some ups there
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were some downs there was a down there
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was a down who’s really a down there was
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one it was just a really big down it was
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the down right it was the down it was
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like the most depressing movie you’ve
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ever seen the the requiem for a dream of
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downs but it was only for a few minute
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is only for a few minutes and then
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everything else then after that smooth
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sailing all the way across the board
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so we uh we had a great time Kristi’s
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not gonna cooperate well we had a great
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time Chris had an amazing time he’s
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still having a hard time staying on
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right he Chris had a lot of play he was
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he was a very busy man Chris was the
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belle of the ball
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that’s Jimmy will people people when
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Chris wasn’t around people were asking
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about Chris yeah we actually throw the
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one time I didn’t where Chris people
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were like where the hell is Chris right
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and I’m like oh wow Chris is that
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important now so Chris personal injury
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attorney Chris Reynolds attorney a lot
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please know you were loved you were
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asked for and you were one of the
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biggest stars of the show that’s true
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that’s very true yeah everybody loved
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Chris and we mmm 99% of the people we’re
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wonderful 99.7% of the people almost
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really just one person was not wonderful
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right sadly that was the one person that
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it was actually necessary that that
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person be one wonderful and we just want
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to say we had a great time with like to
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thank everyone at the South Carolina
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Libertarian Party we’d love to thank the
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we’d love to thank the vermin supreme
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campaign would love to thank the kim
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ruff campaign we’d love to thank the dan
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birmingham berman campaigns were wearing
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his hat since we’re wearing his hats
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these hats
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by the way taxation is theft cards yeah
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be sure to check those out but yeah
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kim ruff Timberman Adam Koch cash Kim
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Furman supreme 2
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can Armstrong cannot jacob Hornberger
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jacob Hornburg jacob Hornberger if Jacob
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Hornberger announced his candidacy
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whilst we were there whilst we were
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there we were there sadly I didn’t get I
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got it’s very small like one-minute clip
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of his amount yeah just a snip snip Aroo
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a bit before my phone announced to me
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that I had filled my SD card
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despite the fact that I had emptied it
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just before that started right but uh so
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that we got to we got to see that so
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we’ll be hearing more from him I’m sure
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but he made a nice little appearance and
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Joe Jorgensen Jorgensen was there yes
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yeah and she was definitely there and
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and yeah so we had a good time it was
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wonderful five out of five swiping right
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on South Carolina a party that’s right
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just swiping right on foot South
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Carolina was there if there was Yelp
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reviews for Libertarian Party
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conventions this would get would swipe
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right we would swipe right because
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that’s how that’s how it works right um
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but we would definitely rate it very
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high we would be like you know great
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great members you know great members uh
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venue was nice
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candidates mostly great and obviously
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great men mostly great candidates and
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really only one issue the biggest one so
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we weren’t able to broadcast live but
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we’re not sure yet but as of this
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recording you will either be getting a
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audio version of the debate tonight
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tonight or you will be getting the
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actual video version of the debate
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tonight either way we will be doing our
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typical Muddy Waters live reaction even
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though it’s not live we’ll be doing our
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reaction time recorded reaction or a
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live reaction to a pre-recorded debate
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and so we hope you enjoy that yeah we
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hope you enjoy us we enjoy you
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we definitely enjoy we definitely
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yes tune in for will stay tuning in
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you’re already here continue to tin you
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to tune in do not turn your demise oh
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yeah do not turn it off and continue to
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turn in for the South Carolina
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libertarian debate 2020 Edition Liberty
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are getting a little bit yes libertarian
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ver tera gedan thank you God
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good morning good afternoon and good
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evening or good evening and welcome to
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the Vanguard for spike I am definitely
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nothing like Rand Paul Cohen
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I am Matt Wright and together we are
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traversing the muddied waters of freedom
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hey everybody how are you doing
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some quick breaking news before we get
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into everything this actually just came
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across my news wire thing also known as
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my iPad the libertarian darling Prince
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Rand Paul said that he would probably
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will leak the name of the whistleblower
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oh god he probably will leak the name of
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the whistleblower because that’s what
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libertarians do yeah libertarians
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absolutely leaked the names of
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whistleblowers it’s actually you know
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it’s a big part of what we believe in is
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that we believe in self ownership and
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therefore if you tell on a government
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official you should suffer consequences
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for it
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this completes I mean you could argue
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when he you know voted to confirm some
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of the worst neo-cons into the Trump
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administration that he had already
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completed his transition and to totally
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fake libertarian but this kind of
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completes it but I am probably I’m
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trying to put on my thing but ya know
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that there is no law preventing him from
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anybody from saying the name nothing
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that prevents me from saying it now I
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can and I may but I can do it right now
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if I want nothing stops me okay
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well good for him right so just remember
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that when you are defending when you
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when you are defending serve Rand Paul
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as the greatest libertarian in Congress
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right exactly so first and foremost only
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person for me
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second second in the second second most
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second-most allow me to thank Justin for
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the kava I am drinking on this very
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special episode of the muddied waters of
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free and allow me to thank Kroger for
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this delicious purified drinking water
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man pure no no no okay purified drinking
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water there we go that I drink on this
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in most episodes of the mighty waters of
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freedom and thank you to Dan Berman for
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this sweet-ass hat these sweet-ass hats
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that we’re wearing this sweet acid hat
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that I have on that keeps I’ve got to
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get used to having a hat on because it
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keeps bumping into my mic but so I gotta
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do it like this like the rapper’s do but
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uh no I’d like to thank Dan for that and
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for these equally sweet-ass what if he’s
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called armbands yeah yeah yeah the
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rubber armbands
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yeah wristbands rubber wristbands when
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this is an FAQ station is theft one and
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the Dan Berman in the drug war and the
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drug war you can get these on Dan Berman
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20/20 calm and you can get the Hat sweet
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as it is at taxation is theft dot cards
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do not go to calm calm takes you to read
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it for some reason but uh yeah guys so
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we had a oh and I’d like to thank the
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South Carolina Libertarian Party for
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acknowledging my status as a Zionist
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infiltrator into everything that I do
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and for the lanyard I price ticket
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that’s our sticker but so yeah so Matt
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we we met each other for the first time
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we did at the Myrtle Beach International
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Airport the Myrtle Beach International
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Airport as all great romances start we
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Bulova naka bula vinaka to move Anaka
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bula vinaka
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to everybody we just like Bulova naka
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with all my all my gear and I got so I
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so and I can’t stop at thinking to him
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Berg got to thank Kim rough for all the
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swagger Ike swag I got from her firm and
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supreme for all the swag I got from him
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as well as the place that we stayed at
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the vermin’s supreme supreme campaign
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paid for so we had to thank them for
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that
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get a cool-ass Airbnb that we stayed at
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like thank Matt for being gentle and we
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were sharing a bed together like
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thanking for that turned out there
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weren’t enough beds so we share the king
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bike just just so everybody knows spike
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has never used their B&B; before no ever
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and he we had four people we were we
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were staying with the vermin’s supreme
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campaign team right so as a vermin
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supreme one of his handlers a very
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lovely man by the name of Davy Jones
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Davy Jones AV Jones who used to sing in
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the Monkees and had a locker and a
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locker the bottom of the sea I thought
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you’re right at the bottom see and
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meaning spike we were all staying there
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and spike was in charge of booking the
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air B&B; and for four dudes four grown
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men spike booked a 3-bedroom 1-bath to
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be fair to be fair it’s all that was
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available without going far enough out
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where we might as well just have stayed
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at my house to also be fair we could
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have maybe just stayed at my house but
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but I don’t I mean you did that dry back
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I don’t think that would have been
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feasible to go back and forth like that
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right yeah I mean it was bad enough
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being 20 minutes away so so just to be
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fair that’s what they had but yeah it
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was three bedrooms one bath and so it’s
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Matt and I shared a a bed we did we met
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each other and went to bed together that
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night on the first night first date
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first bike gives it up really easily
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they didn’t even take me to dinner
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didn’t have to really I spiked is I
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don’t value myself it sure but uh so yes
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so we had a great time had a good time
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at the convention got to meet all the
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people there had a great time at the
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after-party social I’ve got some red
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carpet interviews that I’ll be
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showing throughout kind of dispersed
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throughout this this lovely episode and
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yeah so guys we were supposed to we were
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supposed to broadcast the the debate and
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that didn’t happen the we had been told
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that we were coming there to do
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commentary and the those in charge of
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that were under the impression that we
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were there to run the broadcast
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thankfully I brought my laptop so we
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were able to at least try to get the
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broadcast going and the other people at
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the South Carolina Libertarian Party in
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that final 30 minutes or so tried their
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best to help us get everything together
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but that’s not how streaming with a rig
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that no one’s ever tried for the first
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time is gonna work and so unfortunately
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we weren’t able to to do it but we we
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had a great time still and we did
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thankfully get the audio of it which
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we’ll be playing tonight and live
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reacting to that but yeah so the reason
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we went there didn’t happen but then we
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got to do a bunch of other cool stuff
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and hang out with all the candidates and
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all our Liberty peeps so it was not lost
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and then we also got to have autumn
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chair of Monday we got to have autumn
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chair of Monday so it’s true so I will
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tell you Matt what wait wait a second is
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Sarah is there a calendar behind you
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there is a calendar behind me there is
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the libertarian dadbod calendar this one
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is I have it on April already because
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why because that as a the month that US
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spiked nipples McGee Cohen is in
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displaying all of the spiked nipples
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with all of the chest hair oh wow it’s a
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shame it’s so far away and we don’t have
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like a zoomed in version that people can
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see something look at that see but mine
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is autographed
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so it’s Otto we’ll see that’s name I
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didn’t I didn’t get my autograph so yeah
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mine is autographed I got I got two
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autographs on my calendar one one from
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one from spike Cohen and one from vermin
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supreme who only signed his first name
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Tyler Smith says June is sexier probably
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Tyler there’s a good I mean well it’s Oh
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June is Tyler that’s why he’s saying
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that and I don’t I don’t disagree but we
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don’t have that graphic we don’t have
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that graphic I mean he can flip to it
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but no one’s gonna see it so so yeah so
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yeah so ello and if anyone wants to get
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one of those libertarian dad bod calm
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and if you donate $1,000 to Muddy Waters
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media I will sign every page of it yep I
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mean just or even fifty I thought you
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were good at negotiating we had this
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long talk the other day like you just
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dropped from a thousand I don’t need
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your money I don’t need your money but
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if you were to give me 250 bucks all
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over the place I’m all ago she a ting
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I’m too tired to negotiate I haven’t I
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still haven’t really slept like a good
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sleep
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since all this happened but uh yeah so
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it was a it was a lot of fun and just to
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go ahead and get out of the way I
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apparently already had my biggest moment
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in my career on on tik-tok for those who
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don’t know tick-tock is a app that’s
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incredibly popular with the kids with
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teenagers and young adults urban supreme
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suburban trees yeah Vermin Supreme
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supporters Vermin Supreme also is
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incredibly populated popular with the
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kids and teens and young adults and so
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he’s incredible on tik-tok and
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having done and will show the serious
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red carpet interviews we ended up doing
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something that has already gotten last
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check over 30,000 we can we can call
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that 31,000 31,000 who loved it and so
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I’m just gonna go ahead and show it to
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you hey let’s go to Magic Mountain
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Charlie I will have everybody know
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though since I was there for the entire
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planning of this video this was actually
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not spikes an idea oh no this was not my
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idea
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that was vermin’s idea that was
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Alderman’s idea that was a hundred
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percent vermin this was what vermin had
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as soon as he saw the carpet he said
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let’s make a video for the kids yes and
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I said well Who am I to argue with the
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guy who’s paying for my room and board
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valid and so there we are mat directed
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it Dave may notice I’m never gonna play
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that again but you may notice he was
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waving in the background shout out to
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Dave coming through at the end they’re
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about to Davy Jones shout out to Davy
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Jones for coming through at the end
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there uh and yeah so that’s what that’s
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what happened there and um another big
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thing before we go to the and this will
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this will kind of season give you a
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little seasoning of of what people were
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thinking about coming into the debate
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the biggest news of the convention by
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far
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all the candidates got to give their
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speeches before that the delegates they
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had voted for their delegates and so
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forth but all the candidates got to give
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their speeches and the I guess
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pragmatists choice in South Carolina one
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miss
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Joe Jorgensen she gave her speech and
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she he gave her speech was a 50-second
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Zack 98 second how long Oh was it 98 I
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thought it was like 50 seconds man I was
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just making up the ninety-eight because
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it was sure I could not believe it was
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Oh like I figured it was over a minute
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but I knew it wasn’t to every candidate
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had nine minutes to give a speech and
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then answer some questions and we’ve
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actually have three week aired the show
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on on the money water’s page from Dan
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Berman Kim rough and vermin supreme and
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most of them would give anywhere from a
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three to five minute speech and then you
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know spend the rest of the time
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answering questions Joe talked for I
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think a minute I think it was like a
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minute give or take gave a decent I mean
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I can sum up her speech I tried to do it
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yesterday in the car and it went for
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those of you who don’t know my name is
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Joe Jorgenson and I was the Libertarian
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Party vice presidential candidate in
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1996 under Harry Brown many people from
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the other the candidates from the other
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parties are planning on going to DC with
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a pen and a pencil I am going there with
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an eraser the end now now I’m ready for
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your question now I’m ready for your
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question there was something I was
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missing but that yes yeah no that was
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that was literally it
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that was literally oh she mentioned that
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she’s from you know the great state of
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South Carolina and she’s a lecturer at
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Clemson that was really the only other
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thing that was all she said that you
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missed I mean it was like oh wow really
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this is this is what you’ve chosen to to
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do so she anytime anyone asked her a
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question she would say yes we’re gonna
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be getting to that very shortly but as
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we start campaigning even though she was
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already campaigning right she she was
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doing a campaign event and going to a
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debate to a convention to whip delegates
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followed by a convey debate which as far
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as she knew was going to be broadcast
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live all over the internet right as far
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as the rest of us knew as well
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except for one person and so she then uh
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so it all came to a head when she was
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asked by one ms sarah daggers a specific
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question and this is how she responded
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to it guys this is how the pragmatist
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choice the electable choice responded to
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it and I as libertarians we are all I
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really don’t want to you know we’ve got
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answers for everything and we’ve got
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great answers for everything and we just
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can’t wait to share our answers for
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everything I was on the campaign trail
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1996 for the VP nomination and somebody
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asked me a question about Bureau of Land
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Management and by golly I just wrote a
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book the lease before and I could tell
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them all about the Bureau of Land
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Management the problem is the average
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person out there doesn’t care and so as
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libertarians I think we need to restrain
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ourselves and to persuade people or find
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the people who agree with what we do
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agree with oh I have a position that’s
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not part of the it’s not part of the
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campaign to outreach to bring new people
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into the party the short answer is No
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Wow okay so now you’re afraid to ask
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well they’re not really afraid to ask
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you questions they just don’t see the
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purpose of it because because you’ve
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already said that you won’t answer
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questions that you don’t feel the voters
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the people in that room so deliberate
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okay we’re not we’re not voting the
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Libertarian Party does not have a
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primary for anybody that does not know
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this I know that if you’re a libertarian
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you probably know it but I do know some
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people who did not know that during the
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2016 elections because they got all bent
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out of shape that they couldn’t vote for
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their preferred candidate in the primary
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election day but right on the super
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Tuesdays and that kind of so it is not
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the the Libertarian candidate is not
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chosen by the voters they are chosen by
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delegates who show up at the National
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Convention and vote on behalf of their
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respective territories I was asked to be
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a delegate back in 2016 I ended up not
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doing it because it was already I
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already knew who’s winning and I I
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didn’t care so she is talking to the
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people who are responsible for getting
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her into office she is talking to the
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people who are responsible for getting
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her into office and she refused to
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answer a question that the libertarian
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party recently made a part of their
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deployment platform thank you I was
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going to say pillars and I was like
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that’s not the right word part of their
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platform that the libertarian party
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recently made a part of their platform
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that sex work is real work and if you
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choose to perform sex where you should
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be allowed to without fear of
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consequence from the state and she said
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that is not something the voters care
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about well that is something that your
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voters care about whether or not that’s
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something that the general public voters
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care about okay maybe you’re right maybe
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I don’t know I honestly don’t know I
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haven’t gone out and take taking a poll
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but I noticed something that
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libertarians believe in libertarians
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stand up for and libertarians care about
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so when you say that’s not something
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that voters care about you are saying I
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don’t care what you care about I’m
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worried about everybody else yeah and
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you’re also saying that you’re going to
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hide and refuse to answer questions
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right every single time a reporter asked
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you something controversial which is
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really just a great way to win an
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election is to look like you’re hiding
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something so that was so that was sort
25:45
of the flavor that everyone was tasting
25:47
in their mouth when the debate started
25:49
because that was just a few hours
25:51
earlier and and so without further ado
25:56
we can get started with the with the
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South Carolina Libertarian Party debate
26:02
we have the audio and with oh we are
26:05
missing the openings yeah so so we have
26:12
part of the opening so it actually
26:13
starts in the middle of or towards the
26:15
end of Vermin Supreme speech Kim rough
26:20
Dan Berman Adam Koch ash and I think Joe
26:24
Jorgenson and I think Joe Jorgenson just
26:27
in the middle of the vermin supreme yeah
26:30
yeah towards middle to end of the vermin
26:32
supreme speech and then and then we get
26:34
Ken and then and then the actual debate
26:36
starts because we do not have video I
26:40
will be switching off with my little
26:44
handy dandy switcher here and showing
26:46
the face of whoever’s talking in the
26:48
middle here so without further ado also
26:50
for for anybody who wanted to know this
26:52
debate was being hosts being moderated
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sorry it was supposed to be hosted by us
26:56
it’s being hosted by us right now but it
26:59
was supposed to be it was moderated by
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Matt Welsh from reason I have a picture
27:05
him to see dirt at large
27:08
I got adder enlarged of Reason magazine
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and so without further ado here is the
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beginning of vermin speech or the end of
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vermin speech which is the beginning of
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what we have for the debate I am not on
27:19
all the time
27:21
and I am NOT a full-time disrupter what
27:23
I am is a very reasonable man with a
27:26
reasonable offer on the table to offer
27:29
this boot to the LP to help harness them
27:32
to bring many many young people to the
27:34
yard on the viral ‘ti of my me meanness
27:38
on the internet and beyond
27:41
thank you ken Armstrong please
27:48
he said we should do what we should like
27:52
puppet out the voices like we well
27:56
except it would just be our mouths like
27:58
you would be killer I’m strong and I
27:59
would be Dan Byrne
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I’m not against doing that I just but I
28:04
haven’t heard this so I can’t do well
28:06
that’s the problem so guys we actually
28:07
haven’t heard most of this yep so you’re
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getting we’re getting this pretty much
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as new as you are so hi there I’m Ken
28:18
Armstrong and first of all I just want
28:21
to say how amazing it is to be on stage
28:23
at Francis Marion University think about
28:27
this this place is named for one of our
28:30
nation’s original freedom fighters a
28:34
killer a massive amount of law
28:35
enforcement officer and I like to think
28:37
that Francis Marion would be proud of
28:39
the six people standing on the stage
28:41
today I have a fire in my belly for what
28:47
we’re doing you can’t see it but it’s
28:49
there I promise I’m very very serious
28:53
about this
28:54
my wife Don and I have put our entire
28:57
lives on hold everything we own is in
29:01
the back of the car our buddy
29:03
Earl has been diligently driving us from
29:06
whistle stop to whistle stop but we have
29:09
put ourselves on hold and we have met
29:13
hundreds of people in the 40 states that
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we’ve been to so far eight more to visit
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in the continental United States but we
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passionately want to participate in the
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change that this country needs to see
29:29
all right so let’s explain how this is
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gonna go I will ask questions most of
29:34
them will be same question for all six
29:36
candidates to ponder and discuss they
29:39
will have 60 seconds with which to
29:41
answer again the monitor is right there
29:43
if they happen to name somebody else or
29:46
call somebody out in some way that
29:47
deserves from merits a response that
29:49
person will then have 30 seconds to
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respond and I will choose the order I
29:54
should say I will delegate the choosing
29:56
of the order by pressing this magic
29:58
button on random.org as opposed to
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trying to think through it myself all
30:03
right so this first question shout out
30:05
to a random.org will go to Adam Co cash
30:08
and will go to everybody else but he’ll
30:10
take first crack at it this week there’s
30:13
been some large amounts of news on a
30:15
topic that has been divisive to a lot of
30:18
libertarian or libertarian leaners both
30:20
in terms of audience and also
30:22
legislators and that is the House of
30:25
Representative this voting to launch an
30:27
inquiry of impeachment against President
30:29
Donald Trump and the question to you
30:30
Adam Co cash and everybody else is had
30:33
you been in Congress would you have
30:34
voted yes and then also in your
30:37
judgments from what we know so far
30:39
has the president engaged in impeachable
30:41
conduct that’s worth voting him out I
30:45
would absolutely vote for impeachment
30:48
not just for President Trump but for
30:50
every member of Congress myself included
30:54
as Donald Trump committed impeachable
30:56
conduct different scholars will draw the
31:00
line in different places but it really
31:02
doesn’t matter has he engaged in
31:03
criminal conduct absolutely and that’s
31:07
what matters because this is a
31:10
fundamentally criminal government that
31:14
is unfit to exist too Spooner shoutout
31:19
there Tim rough no I would not
31:23
necessarily have voted in favor of it
31:25
because the grounds upon which hinges is
31:27
specious however I do think there’s
31:30
plenty of things that you could hold
31:32
Trump accountable for ungood indeed
31:33
impeach him for one of which is
31:35
continuing the unconstitutional war in
31:37
Yemen but of course in order to do that
31:39
you would also have to go after Obama
31:41
for starting
31:42
and that would make the whole thing
31:43
unravel right now it’s just political
31:46
theater they’re doing it because they’re
31:47
trying to put themselves in position to
31:49
look like the better option in 2020 but
31:52
we obviously know they’re not Ken
31:56
Armstrong would you have voted to
31:57
impeach and do you think there’s a
31:59
beautiful conduct there here comes the
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boy well yes I do think there’s some
32:02
peach herbal conduct but beyond that I
32:04
think that that the entire government is
32:08
proving to us that it’s time for a
32:10
change and I’ll just say quite simply
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I’m we’re ready to make that change
32:15
right now what’s that the picture oh
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crap I don’t know if voting for
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impeachment is the right thing I mean I
32:24
really think there should be a
32:25
continuous impeachment proceeding all
32:28
the time for every single president
32:30
including myself because I mean really
32:32
shouldn’t we be keeping a pretty close
32:34
eye on these guys and what they’re doing
32:35
they’re doing so many things they’re
32:37
continuing drone bombings they’re
32:39
continuing illegal tax collection
32:41
they’re continuing seizing property and
32:43
and territories from other places
32:45
they’re engaging in criminal wars I
32:48
think absolutely we need that to
32:50
continue going but I don’t think it’s
32:51
something we should we should have a
32:52
voting process holding up I think that’s
32:54
something that should just always be
32:56
there firm and supreme yes sure why not
33:03
looks constitutional and probably
33:06
outstanding you should work in
33:09
journalism and Joe Jorgenson take us out
33:12
no I would not vote to impeach however I
33:14
think we need to look at all the
33:16
congressmen by the way this is the
33:18
highest resolution photo that exists of
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Joe Jorgenson big government and make
33:30
government small thank you round 2 the
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random generator likes atom Co cash so
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he will again be the first to answer the
33:39
following question another bit of news
33:41
this week I think it happened on Friday
33:43
senator Elizabeth Warren a leading
33:45
candidate for president came out with
33:47
what she says is her plan to pay for
33:50
Medicare for all
33:51
against the backdrop of course of a 23
33:54
trillion dollar national debt and
33:56
all kinds of entitlements and and things
33:58
going forward trying to narrow the
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question I would say this what do you
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think should be done particularly from
34:07
the federal government’s point of view
34:08
to Medicare Medicare itself and
34:10
especially with them in mind of people
34:14
who have been promised to receive it or
34:16
who are receiving it right now localize
34:19
it get it down to the state look by the
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way we met the girl who took this
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picture
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she was a lovely she was she was very
34:26
sweet she was incredibly sweet
34:28
I want my pictures that she took of me
34:29
well for starters ultimately down to be
34:31
level this is what this campaign
34:33
platform is based on and this is what
34:35
unites people and I’m just gonna oh yes
34:40
all right it’s working yeah there’s this
34:42
ongoing thing with the mic all right to
34:44
mention some of the cook yeah steel
34:47
dance yeah we good all right there was
34:55
some technological if you were men at
34:57
least the clock is paused we good all
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right I’ll run through this really yeah
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is there a bug somewhere all right a big
35:23
part of this idea of localizations that
35:24
are really unites people and brings
35:26
people together and we have a huge group
35:28
of coalition’s military for coca SH with
35:30
Afghanistan veteran Adam house felons
35:32
for khopesh with Norman Summerville who
35:34
is an actual felon stoner scope for Co
35:37
cash with none other than GI Mary Jane
35:39
the commander in chief herself
35:41
Joey Lee women for Coke cash gun owners
35:43
GSM Christians gamers all great
35:46
coalition’s but today I want to
35:48
introduce Chris Cole with victims of
35:51
family law for kokeshi he is a survivor
35:53
of a brutal divorce and custody battle
35:56
here with his oh I saw that guy yeah
35:58
with his kids in them he’s a father who
36:00
wants to end the family court racket so
36:02
that his kids will never have to fear
36:04
being taken away from them by government
36:07
it is it is
36:09
shame that we live in a country where
36:10
that’s a reality getting government down
36:12
to the community level unites people
36:14
brings people in and that’s what we have
36:16
the potential to do with this message
36:18
thank you thanks for the time and mic
36:21
flexibility there everybody goat being
36:24
sacrificed in the front row that’s
36:26
that’s the best like buzzer I’ve heard
36:28
that’s great
36:30
Berman supreme Medicare Elizabeth Warren
36:34
what would you do with Medicare vermin
36:35
supreme well in the hypothetical and
36:37
highly unlikely situation that I was
36:39
president of America president only do
36:41
so much blah blah blah of course those
36:43
who have been promised Medicare and I
36:45
received another previous agreement and
36:46
veterans who are receiving vets care
36:48
these are contracts that they’re so the
36:51
US government obviously contractually
36:53
obligated to uphold them at some point
36:55
so I would maintain that’s important
36:57
thing whether that’s through their
36:58
privatization of it as long as they can
36:59
guarantee that care and other than that
37:02
of course privatize it free-market
37:03
platitudes etc etc etc thank you Jim
37:08
ruff he said privatize it free-market
37:13
platitudes etc etc etc this guy’s he’s
37:21
running a serious campaign
37:23
he’s running a seer and he’s one of the
37:26
top polling people I don’t know what the
37:29
delegate whip count looks like right now
37:31
but in straw polls online straw polls
37:34
and opinion polls he’s a Tanner at were
37:37
near the top of of them right which says
37:41
a lot about and he talks about this and
37:44
they’ll probably talk about small in the
37:45
debate but he says a vote for me is a
37:47
vote wasted meaning a vote for me is
37:50
saying I don’t take this process
37:52
seriously I don’t think any of these
37:54
people are telling the truth so I’m
37:56
going to vote for a person who acts who
37:58
portrays himself as a clown and to send
38:02
a message that you know that we don’t
38:06
buy your nonsense anymore free-market
38:09
platitudes etc etc but anyway here good
38:14
here’s Kim ruff ideal answer for us as
38:16
libertarians is that we would want to
38:17
privatize health care you have a right
38:19
to life but you don’t have a right to
38:21
health care
38:22
however we are in a situation where we
38:24
have made a commitment to people that
38:26
who have banked on having that health
38:28
care so in order to phase it out
38:30
entirely we would have to basically put
38:32
a moratorium on it no new entrants
38:34
anyone that we made a commitment to we
38:36
would continue to pay on that until that
38:38
commitment runs its course and then
38:40
hopefully from that point on it would
38:42
become privatized and people would stop
38:44
looking to government for the answer I’m
38:47
Joe Jorgensen Medicare I think all
38:51
libertarians understand that Medicare
38:53
for all means Medicare for none the
38:55
problem with the old two parties is they
38:57
keep focusing on how are we going to pay
38:59
these bloated prices under their policy
39:03
expenses keep going up and up and up
39:06
what I would do is I would look at
39:08
cutting the cost side so that expenses
39:10
go down and of course we need as many
39:12
people into the free market as possible
39:14
that’s part of the problem with Medicare
39:16
is there are no free market competition
39:19
there’s no free market competition to
39:22
hold costs down but to answer your last
39:24
question absolutely I would follow
39:25
through on the government following
39:28
through on helping those who need it Dan
39:31
taxation is that well what was that last
39:33
thing right I’m gonna help those who
39:36
need it right is she saying is there any
39:41
chance you can rewind that and replay
39:43
that one ah good question
39:46
a the best line just signed in Chelsea
39:50
thank you for joining us see what I can
39:55
do here after Behrman Medicare Oh
39:59
taxation is theft and that kind of ruins
40:01
the whole I am out of the way parties
40:04
they keep focusing on how are we going
40:06
to pay for me to go back so their policy
40:10
expenses keep going up and up and up
40:12
what I would do is I would look at
40:14
cutting the cost side so that expenses
40:17
go down and of course we need as many
40:19
people into the free market as possible
40:21
that’s part of the problem with Medicare
40:23
is there are no free market competition
40:26
there’s no free market competition to
40:28
hold costs down but to answer your last
40:30
question absolutely I would follow
40:32
through on the government following
40:35
through on helping
40:36
those who need it on the government’s
40:38
helping through helping following
40:42
through on helping those following
40:44
through on right that is not a she’s now
40:49
saying she’s going to be utilizing the
40:51
government to give Medicare she
40:57
literally just did what vermin was
41:00
making fun of free-market platitudes etc
41:05
etc she started with oh we need free
41:07
market competition we need a free market
41:09
we need a free market and then she’s
41:10
like yeah also the government needs to
41:12
help those who need it meaning the
41:14
government decides who need things
41:16
who needs things but vermin’s not the
41:21
serious candidate right
41:23
anyway dan taxation is theft Berman
41:27
Medicare Oh taxation is theft and that
41:31
kind of ruins the whole health care
41:33
system that we have right now I’ve been
41:35
to so many other countries and I spend
41:37
most of my time in Mexico and I’ve
41:39
really seen what happens it’s illegal to
41:42
import medication into the United States
41:43
that you can buy cheaper outside of the
41:46
United States and it’s not because
41:47
they’re worried about quality control or
41:49
anything like that it’s actually
41:50
manufactured in the United States and
41:52
exported and you just can’t bring it
41:53
back in and it’s cheaper in other
41:55
countries because they know people can’t
41:56
afford it but here they know they can
41:58
price gouge us they know we have all
41:59
these systems in place where the
42:01
government is gonna have to pay for it
42:02
really the Democrats as much as it
42:05
sounds like maybe they’re
42:06
well-intentioned to say look we want to
42:07
make sure that everybody has health care
42:09
it’s a wonderful plan their plan is
42:11
going to continue to keep the prices
42:13
high it’s going to continue to keep the
42:15
1% of the corporation’s making millions
42:17
of dollars on their investments on their
42:18
protected monopolies and we are just
42:21
going all they’re doing is they’re
42:22
getting more people to pay for it
42:23
they’re getting more people to share and
42:25
that 1% is still gonna get it that means
42:26
the healthy people are also going to be
42:28
paying the sick people are going to be
42:29
paying and it’s a ripoff Ken Armstrong
42:35
well our simple libertarian answer is
42:38
obviously that the government doesn’t
42:40
make things more affordable and and
42:43
everything they run they run in
42:45
to the ground so clearly I’m not in
42:48
favor of a metaphor medicare-for-all
42:49
plan but bigger than that is that the
42:52
damage that is being done to our
42:55
children and our grandchildren by this
42:57
mountain of debt that were accruing
43:00
right now our debt to gross domestic
43:04
product ratio right now is a hundred and
43:08
three percent we owe more than we’re
43:11
making and and you know if you did that
43:14
in your own life that spells bankruptcy
43:16
I think right now we’ve got the right
43:18
guy in the White House to manage your
43:20
bankruptcy he’s been pretty good at that
43:22
in the past so maybe that’s what he has
43:24
in mind all right
43:26
the random generator here wants room so
43:29
real quick Matt skill one to ten how
43:32
depressed are you that these people who
43:35
largely are saying stuff we agree with
43:39
are getting tens and hundreds of people
43:43
tuning in maybe thousands of people
43:45
tuning into what they have to say as
43:47
opposed to Democrats and Republicans who
43:51
argue with each other over which one’s
43:53
more horrible I’m actually not all that
44:02
I’m not a I’m not all that depressed
44:05
because when I’m not because you have
44:09
you have this field of candidates right
44:12
now and you’ve got Kim roughed in Berman
44:15
Adam Koch vermin supreme Joe Jorgensen
44:18
and Ken Armstrong you can take Ken
44:26
Armstrong he’s not libertarian and you
44:29
know he’s not every and every answer he
44:31
is giving is not a libertarian answer it
44:34
is an answer the is constitutional so
44:40
you may be able to put him in a
44:41
constitutionalist but he is not
44:43
libertarian in his answers yeah I agree
44:46
with that the answer that he gave on the
44:48
Medicare he didn’t really say anything
44:50
about he said first what we need to him
44:52
like he didn’t say anything about
44:53
Medicare he just said we need to worry
44:55
about spending
44:56
we need to look at spending and oh we’re
44:58
spending more than we’re spending more
45:00
money than we have coming up so what I
45:02
need to cut he didn’t focus on what he
45:05
would do with the Medicare and how he
45:07
would fix that all right um Joe
45:10
Jorgensen like you know like you said
45:12
pre-market platitude etc etc it was show
45:15
me we need the government to help us
45:19
Vermin literally said what she was going
45:21
to say and then she cat couldn’t help
45:24
but do exactly that um so yeah I mean I
45:28
would say that you’ve got Kim and Dan
45:32
who are probably the most principled in
45:34
terms of free-market libertarianism and
45:37
then you’ve got vermin who is a
45:38
self-described
45:39
you know left inner critics credit to
45:41
Adam where it’s due yeah yeah I’ll give
45:44
out yep that’s true I will give out him
45:46
that he’s been giving good answers and
45:48
and I’m finally sounds like he’s been
45:50
given great answers Adam Adam is really
45:53
good at giving the correct answer I’m
45:58
not making it sound like he’s just
46:00
saying a bumper sticker or one of the
46:02
statements that all of us have memorized
46:04
right right
46:05
he was the one guy that got at the
46:07
convention he got a fairly hearty clap
46:10
from me when he said that the
46:12
Constitution was a usurping of power
46:15
from the Articles of Confederation and I
46:17
was trying not to clap because I was
46:18
recording each of the speeches and I
46:21
could help myself um so yeah so okay
46:23
yeah so and all right so we’ll just keep
46:27
going with this Minster cream to ask
46:29
that answer the following question first
46:32
again ripped out of the news over the
46:34
last a couple of weeks President Trump
46:37
announced that we were he was going to
46:39
withdraw or transfer some US troops out
46:42
of the Kurdish control part of Syria
46:44
kind of get them out of the way for
46:47
Turkey to do what Turkey did which is
46:49
engage in in some atrocities in in
46:52
Turkey the president sold this as hey we
46:56
should stop doing regime change wars in
46:57
the Middle East which I think a lot of
46:59
people on this stage and in this room
47:00
would agree with so there’s two part
47:03
question and maybe in mind with your
47:05
recent appearance on the WTF podcast
47:09
as well two part is just how do you
47:11
assess what Trump did in with the troops
47:13
in Syria period what do you think about
47:15
that and then perhaps trickier assuming
47:20
as most libertarian candidates favor
47:23
withdrawing US troops wherever and
47:26
whenever possible how do you do it in
47:27
such a way that it doesn’t end in
47:29
atrocities well I believe there was so
47:32
few troops involved that it was very
47:34
marginal and he did not really withdraw
47:36
them he just moved he shuffled them
47:38
around essentially sold out the Kurds
47:39
and that certainly stiffs the US and any
47:42
sort of foreign entanglements that they
47:44
might want to enter into the future I
47:46
think we can just take it back to the
47:48
basic libertarian platform that we do
47:50
not stand for any foreign entanglements
47:52
and that we do we maintain a military
47:55
only as big as we need to protect
47:57
ourselves from a foreign invasion and
48:01
then we’d keep it to keep it real and
48:03
keep a chill and don’t don’t be going
48:06
over disease to all these wars and
48:09
endless Wars etc so I think it’s a as
48:11
far as Trump’s little move it’s an
48:12
illusion it’s a geopolitical fuckup and
48:16
what was the rest of question that’s
48:18
about it okay
48:19
and once again I am working on a
48:20
universal Pony care for all you do get
48:22
an apple a day a sugar cube if you’ve
48:24
been really nice unfortunately if you
48:26
break a leg we have to put you down
48:28
that’s the herbermann go before bringing
48:32
out the via Pony care Joe Jorgensen
48:34
assessing what the president Trump did
48:37
with troops in Syria and then also the
48:40
question of how do you manage sort of
48:43
u.s. Imperial withdrawal in such a way
48:45
it’s not leave of populations vulnerable
48:47
well I certainly agree with trunk that
48:49
we need to bring our troops home if
48:51
elected president I would turn America
48:54
into one giant Switzerland armed in
48:58
neutral but enough forces to protect and
49:01
defend American soil and more American
49:04
shores from what I would refuse to send
49:07
one more young person over to foreign
49:10
land to vote for foreign dictators for
49:13
foreign intentions in the end I’m
49:16
looking for peace but peace through
49:18
being one giant Switzerland atom kokeshi
49:22
started tonight
49:23
talking about your own history of what
49:24
what do you think about Trump’s move and
49:26
how to manage withdrawal well as you
49:29
think vermin’s summation of the
49:32
deception there was right on that oh my
49:39
lord it’s just the implant interfering
49:41
with the signal yeah serious keep going
49:44
with this one
49:45
yeah all right time all right
49:52
there’s so much deception in our foreign
49:55
policy we get it through a corrupt
49:56
mainstream media we know that it’s built
49:58
on lies but even deeper than that that
50:02
it was so real quick pause this go ahead
50:09
no no matter what no matter what you
50:14
think of a candidate whether you like
50:16
Adam whether you hate that and whether
50:17
you know any of these cans it doesn’t
50:19
matter I think this happens to other
50:20
people as well this is gonna throw off
50:24
the rhythm that you have planned out
50:27
this is you can tell it like Adam is
50:31
actually a very charismatic speaker yeah
50:34
but this keeps throwing him off and you
50:37
can even though you can’t see him you
50:40
can hear it you can feel it in the way
50:42
that he’s talked
50:42
oh of course yeah because every time he
50:46
starts getting into his rhythm and
50:48
getting that khopesh charm he is being
50:53
thrown up because the mic just goes away
50:55
it’s just like he’ll be he’ll be doing
50:57
his thing and then all of sudden is
50:59
bright then he has to then he has to
51:03
kind of go back to okay where was I how
51:06
do it
51:06
can I get back to that spot and Adams
51:08
gonna struggle with this the entire
51:10
debate the entire debate microphone
51:12
problem yeah I mean Matt think about the
51:15
times we’ve had technical issues
51:16
audio/video issues and whatever how much
51:18
it screws with us and you know you’re in
51:22
front of a bunch of people about a
51:24
hundred people or whatever which he’s
51:26
used to but you’re in front of a bunch
51:27
of people you’re trying to you know you
51:30
know talk in intelligently and
51:31
articulately and make different points
51:34
than every other libertarian or every
51:35
other
51:36
on stage there so you don’t just sound
51:37
like a cookie cutter and every time
51:41
you’re trying to get into your groove of
51:42
what you’re trying to say it cuts off
51:44
and everyone laughs right
51:47
like I mean what it’s tough yeah you
51:50
know you can argue well he got more time
51:52
but more time to what to look like
51:54
somewhat had it informed so I don’t know
51:56
if it was intentional or not because
51:57
then he would get other people’s
51:58
microphones and they’re theirs would
51:59
mess up too I mean it was it was a it
52:03
was unfortunate for him I don’t think
52:04
I’m not sure I’d say anyone was
52:06
intentionally trying to do anything to
52:07
him but it definitely was not it was not
52:09
helpful for him to try to you know get a
52:12
groove you know with that to try to try
52:17
to do it but yeah it was pretty much the
52:18
whole debate that this that this was on
52:20
and off a problem so it’s a problem so
52:27
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52:33
he’s still looking for a mic here yeah
52:37
all right I just get to stand a little
52:39
closer to my friend Dan here all right
52:45
it’s obviously a very personal subject
52:48
for me so it’s not hard to to get to the
52:51
importance of this because we are
52:52
talking about matters of life and death
52:54
and you can’t just talk about it as a
52:56
matter of policy and the principle
52:58
that’s behind the message of
53:00
libertarianism of freedom is so critical
53:03
to a strong national defense
53:05
the fact is having a military makes us
53:09
less safe that’s why the founders were
53:13
against a standing army and I don’t just
53:15
mean in the sense of the foreign
53:17
adventurism that I was a part of and all
53:19
the the terrorists that we made by
53:21
killing their families when they were
53:23
innocent but in a more fundamental sense
53:25
there’s a reason why the founders
53:27
advocated for a militia base defense a
53:30
rifle behind every blade of grass you
53:34
want to be like Switzerland take the
53:36
defense away from the government give it
53:38
back to the people
53:41
Kim ruff
53:47
question was how do I assess what Trump
53:49
did yes usually with politics what
53:52
happens is we are fed one thing we’re
53:54
told that this is being done in the best
53:56
interest of X Y Z and then when variably
53:58
what they do is not n even close to that
54:00
in this case vermin is absolutely right
54:03
on the money he was effectively
54:04
sidestepping we didn’t take anybody back
54:06
home we said the words but we didn’t
54:08
bring anybody back we just said it
54:10
insofar as preventing a vacuum that
54:13
creates a terrible atrocity to occur the
54:16
terrible atrocities will occur whether
54:18
or not we create a vacuum and that is
54:20
the lie that has been perpetuated
54:22
forever
54:23
to keep us involved in these
54:25
entanglements I reject it wholesale what
54:29
goes on in other countries is not our
54:31
problem we are not the world’s police it
54:33
is not our job to have our finger in
54:35
every pie we have a responsibility to
54:37
care for ourselves here at home instead
54:40
of sending our men and women overseas to
54:43
die on other soil and kill those there
54:46
let us come home completely ken
54:51
Armstrong who has a bit more experience
54:52
with NATO’s I think than most people in
54:54
this stage that’s right yeah so ken is
54:57
actually a former NATO commander base as
55:01
all good libertarians are he’s literally
55:03
about to say Oh former NATO base
55:08
commander and a NATO UN adviser in the
55:10
Bosnian war and the thing that I learned
55:12
and saying in that kind of service is
55:16
that war is a horrible thing I don’t
55:20
love war any more than a firefighter
55:22
loves fires I will say that it’s
55:26
probably the one and only time this
55:28
evening that you’ll say you’ll hear me
55:30
say that I agree with Donald Trump
55:32
but I agree that we needed to pull the
55:35
the young American servicemembers out of
55:39
Syria the problem is not that he did it
55:42
the problem is the way that he did it
55:43
and we could go into that for hours but
55:46
then he turned around and sent 3,000
55:50
young people to Saudi Arabia he’s saying
55:53
that their advisers if they were
55:55
advisers they could Skype it in from
55:57
poolside in Vegas they don’t need to go
55:59
to some
56:00
going there as human shields dan
56:04
taxation is theft permit take us home
56:09
to quote Ron Paul we just marched in we
56:13
can just march out now I know a lot of
56:15
people they’re worried because there are
56:17
some pretty nasty people around the
56:19
world dictators organizations that want
56:22
to do some really bad things but it’s
56:24
not our government’s job to steal from
56:27
people to pay for arms to send people
56:31
over to these other places who have
56:33
nothing to do with it and force them to
56:35
surrender their lives for these causes
56:38
we need to something else that that not
56:41
a whole lot of people are talking about
56:42
is we need to ground the drones these
56:45
drones are out there blowing up schools
56:47
hospitals and weddings it’s it’s insane
56:52
what we’re doing now the concern is what
56:54
do we do about all this all these
56:55
tragedies around the world with all
56:57
these dictators there are plenty of
56:59
people who are from there who I know
57:01
people personally who have gone to these
57:03
places from America to go fight for
57:05
their family
57:07
some as soldiers some as doctors we can
57:10
all do that voluntarily but we can’t
57:12
steal from people and force others to
57:14
engage in these things thank you dan the
57:18
randomizer again likes Adam khopesh
57:20
you’ll get the first crack at the
57:22
following okay guys we are where we go
57:24
any further as I’m as I mentioned before
57:26
we have some we had some really cool
57:29
really cool interviews that we did
57:31
called red carpet interviews and really
57:36
weird how I can see that portion of my
57:39
body just yeah we did these really good
57:46
cool red carpet interviews shoutout to
57:48
Desiree Lindsey for the idea of taking a
57:50
tiny red carpet to do interviews with
57:52
shout-out to my phone for sucking and
57:54
not working and so because of my phone
57:57
which I’m shouting out to the we ended
58:00
up having a situation where we couldn’t
58:02
actually hook up a mic to shout out to
58:04
Matt’s iPhone for not being able to just
58:07
take a regular microphone Jack like a
58:08
phone just a normal phone could Mike’s
58:11
phone for not having cloud store
58:13
so he could just store everything on the
58:15
cloud and also true yeah so shout out to
58:18
just a lot of different things and so
58:19
because of this the audio is not great
58:22
so I did noise reduction but I also had
58:24
to add captions so that you can hear
58:26
what they’re set you can read what
58:27
they’re saying but uh really fun
58:29
interviews the first one with Matthew
58:31
Hicks who is uh just a beautiful man
58:35
he’s also the new second vice-chair of
58:39
the Libertarian Party and he was the
58:41
head of security at the Days event and
58:45
you’re gonna really enjoy that fact in a
58:48
moment post debate then I’m here doing a
58:59
red carpet this is Versace it’s a no
59:12
it’s cotton it’s it’s fair trade cotton
59:14
fair trade fair trade woven and spun
59:17
cotton absolutely so what do you think
59:27
about what happened to be at the event
59:30
which part of the convention first the
59:33
convention first well what I think
59:35
happened the convention is that
59:37
somewhere around eight ish has started
59:41
drinking scotch and somewhere around 11
59:44
ish I was out of scotch right so then I
59:46
started drinking beer and then somewhere
59:49
around right now drinking beer that’s
59:54
also fair trade is fair trade Miller
59:56
electric chair trade Miller Lite I like
59:58
fair trade because because by God we
60:01
don’t want brown people abreast for my
60:03
beer right
60:06
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60:09
No and then at the debate over your
60:12
brother’s a hot take is that nobody’s
60:18
radical uh no nobody’s radical enough
60:23
which I’m not for plenty of really good
60:26
reasons every question would have been
60:28
answered with fuck you am I being
60:31
detained
60:31
but no that was never the answer so as
60:37
you know when you’re not strutting your
60:39
stuff so what do you have to say to
60:49
people executed dad
60:53
what I have to say to anybody that
60:55
thinks had is that they can just go kick
60:57
rocks no bottom line of it as far as I’m
61:02
concerned in as far as you all should be
61:05
concerned here is be bold be fearless
61:09
you know what the hell is right on this
61:11
do we live your fucking principles quit
61:15
being so it got weird after that and I I
61:45
cut off that to making oh yeah cuz they
61:49
do it got it got a bit much it got a bit
61:53
much guys but uh but yeah so so we have
61:56
a few of those to go through he was
61:58
definitely the best-dressed Tyler he was
62:02
he was definitely the best-dressed I
62:05
thought he was Jesus until I was
62:06
reminded of the dude from from The Big
62:10
Lebowski but he also looked like Jesus
62:12
but um without further ado here what’s
62:17
that got to to the debate
62:22
living through what I think can safely
62:24
be described as a bipartisan anti social
62:27
media freak out there’s a bit of a panic
62:30
or at least a very concentrated amount
62:33
of concern of patron Turing’s win
62:36
syndrome no no no it’s more like Silicon
62:39
Valley derangement syndrome of anything
62:41
else both a Democratic Party and
62:42
Republican Party each in their different
62:45
ways are agreeing on new ideas so
62:47
regulating Facebook regulating Twitter
62:49
talking about what kind of advertisement
62:52
should be allowed not even like getting
62:55
into algorithms Ted Cruz is very very
62:57
obsessed about how many retweets he’s
62:58
getting and not getting so my question
63:01
is in your assessment do the big tech
63:06
companies your Amazon your Google your
63:08
Apple Facebook Twitter do they have too
63:12
much power just especially on things
63:15
having to do with free speech and then
63:17
what if anything should the federal
63:18
government do about that that’s a great
63:21
question I have well that’s a little too
63:24
laughs for a moderator a bit oh yes me
63:30
from having built a career around a
63:32
YouTube channel spent a lot of time put
63:35
a lot of hours and building it up to a
63:37
quarter million subs some 70 something
63:39
million views and used to be able to
63:42
make an income doing that this is
63:43
affected a lot of youtubers a lot of
63:46
people in independent media a lot of
63:47
people you know who you might have
63:49
gotten your news from in the past and
63:52
right now we’re getting proportionately
63:55
to those subscribers about 125th of the
64:00
exposure that we’re supposed to get it’s
64:02
really easy to complain this is a huge
64:04
problem and it’s really tempting to turn
64:07
to government and say let’s break up the
64:08
monopolies let’s let’s fight this power
64:11
that shouldn’t exist are they too
64:12
powerful absolutely but more importantly
64:15
their power is not legitimate it comes
64:18
from a government policy of corporatism
64:21
that favors big business you take that
64:23
away if they’re gonna be powerful make
64:25
it make them earn it and subject them to
64:27
real competition ken Armstrong it’s big
64:32
tech too big
64:34
governments have a role in changing the
64:36
federal government the way that it is
64:38
regulated you know it seems to me that a
64:40
real good idea for government is if
64:42
anybody ever starts making trouble for
64:44
them they ought to just regulate the
64:46
hell out of them because that’ll make
64:48
sure that they can’t make trouble
64:49
anymore I think the the biggest problem
64:51
with social media although I do
64:54
absolutely agree that federal
64:57
regulations corporatist mentality and
65:00
government have made them bigger than
65:01
they need to be but the biggest problem
65:04
of social media is the problem they
65:06
present for the government because the
65:08
government has such a hard time
65:09
controlling them Tim Roth with respect
65:17
to the question on whether or not these
65:18
tech companies have too much power only
65:21
in the sense that they do get benefits
65:23
from the existence of government they’re
65:25
too entrenched and they are powerful
65:27
because of that symbiotic relationship
65:29
if that symbiotic relationship was
65:31
completely destroyed and it was indeed
65:33
left up to the free market to decide any
65:35
success that they have would be on their
65:37
own merit insofar as politicians being
65:41
bothered about not getting the tweets
65:43
that they desired well maybe you should
65:45
step up your game and your content
65:48
Jorgensen is big tech too big and should
65:52
something be done yes big tech is too
65:56
big however we’ve got to look at how it
65:58
got there to begin with
65:59
yes corporate legislation and rules have
66:02
gotten us there but also what a lot of
66:05
people don’t look at is some of the
66:07
government research and some of the
66:09
government practices be given away free
66:12
to some of these companies and so rather
66:14
than doing their own R&D; or rather than
66:16
inventing their own things
66:19
taxpayers end up helping them create
66:22
some of these platforms and then they
66:24
get to profit from us not the taxpayers
66:27
dan taxation is theft Behrman yes these
66:32
businesses are too big yes they have too
66:34
much power and yes something should be
66:36
done about it we should leave
66:38
we have the freedom to leave and there
66:40
are so many other platforms that the
66:42
problem is most people look at those
66:43
platforms and say well that’s not
66:45
legitimate why aren’t they legitimate
66:46
why don’t they have that feeling
66:47
legitimacy why because where’s Trump
66:50
Trump’s on Twitter where are all the
66:52
people on CNN and and all the big-name
66:54
mainstream media where are they they’re
66:56
all on Twitter Facebook some of them are
66:58
getting on Instagram and some of the
67:00
newer ones YouTube but guess what none
67:02
of them are moving over to other places
67:04
that that are considered darkweb maybe
67:07
but there are so many other places that
67:09
we can take our business and when we do
67:11
that we get the real message by sites
67:14
that are not using algorithms to filter
67:16
what we see but the reality is people
67:19
don’t want to because they feel safe on
67:20
Facebook you could go to Reddit that’s
67:22
almost mainstream and there’s a lot of
67:24
information there but a lot of people
67:26
get angry when they go to Reddit they
67:29
get into fights so they feel much safer
67:31
with their friends and family back over
67:33
on Facebook this is a change that needs
67:35
to come from the people not from
67:37
government and deferments supreme agreed
67:42
all around
67:44
yes it’s very big and yes something
67:45
should be done as a meme of course I
67:48
would cease to exist if it was not for
67:50
the internet so I welcome the internet I
67:52
love the internet like Brett Kavanaugh
67:53
loves beer and so I just think it’s very
67:57
important that we should really free up
68:00
all the censorship all the government
68:02
regulations over the internet needs to
68:04
be destroyed all this ridiculous
68:05
alphabet soup things that they put forth
68:08
to gum up the works if you will need to
68:12
be thrown by the wayside and yes free
68:15
the internet free the people
68:16
decentralized etcetera etc thank you
68:19
remark etcetera etc free market thank
68:24
you
68:25
so are these social media companies too
68:30
big yeah yeah they’re but they’re too
68:35
big because we continue to go to a lot
68:39
of people say the Republican Party in
68:40
the Democratic Party has too much
68:42
control but then they say the
68:44
Libertarian Party the green part of the
68:45
Constitution Party the American
68:48
Socialist Party the American Communist
68:50
Party whoever none of these parties are
68:52
good enough they’re not going to make it
68:53
they’re never going to be these two
68:55
parties and it’s the same thing with
68:56
social media sites so right now
68:58
currently
69:01
our page on Facebook has been limited we
69:04
don’t know why yep we need stories from
69:07
our page are not being shown in news
69:09
feeds which is very very apparent area
69:12
right yeah and we are blocked from
69:15
sharing any links for the next week we
69:19
have no idea why they haven’t told us
69:21
what they won’t tell us why we’ve asked
69:23
them why to let us know so that we can
69:25
if it was something we unintentionally
69:26
did that we’ll never do it again because
69:28
we have gone from having a reach in the
69:30
last month we had a reach of close to 5
69:32
million to having a reach of like 10,000
69:38
I mean it is it’s a huge hit we are
69:42
currently having three and four times as
69:45
many shares of our content as we are of
69:48
any likes that means people are sharing
69:52
it and none of their friends are seeing
69:54
it in their newsfeed right like it’s a
69:56
huge huge problem they’re way too big
69:58
right but as we always say go to float
70:03
FL OTE app yep that is the social medias
70:08
like that you can go to and you won’t
70:09
deal with these issues so many people go
70:14
over to it they’re like well no my
70:15
friends are on it it’s not really a
70:16
legitimate site you know it won’t be
70:19
tout Facebook it has no chance to beat
70:22
out Twitter and it’s all the same
70:23
excuses on why they say third party
70:26
politicians won’t ever win right if
70:30
everybody makes the switch you you win
70:32
and it’s the same argument of if
70:34
everybody votes libertarian the
70:36
libertarian will win or if everybody
70:38
both votes Green Party the Green Party
70:40
will win or the everybody votes
70:42
Democratic Socialist the they’ll win if
70:45
everybody votes constitutionalist the
70:46
constitutionalist the constitution party
70:50
Constitution Party candidate will win
70:52
now you have a very strange look on your
70:56
face and I’m terrified
70:57
Kelsey Ryan just sent me on her app she
71:02
typed in muddy waters media and it said
71:05
no data available and she said I had to
71:08
go to your Facebook to find the live
71:10
feed currently if you want to see
71:12
anything from Muddy Waters media you
71:14
have
71:14
to actually visit our page or be tagged
71:18
in it and then manually go through our
71:21
timeline and look for stuff you’re not
71:22
gonna be notified that anything has
71:24
happened even if you’re following us
71:25
you’re not gonna see it in the newsfeed
71:27
again hopefully this ends whenever this
71:29
this temporary restriction ends because
71:32
it’s killing us but like Matt said
71:36
government’s not the answer
71:38
government will make it way worse
71:40
government will make you pay to get
71:41
treated like this right and more and
71:43
worse right the answer is us going over
71:47
to float and other other decentralized
71:49
free-market platforms that yeah they
71:52
want to make money but they also want a
71:54
free ability to to be able to you know
71:58
communicate with each other and not be
71:59
censored and not be you know a you know
72:05
yeah shadow band and throttled and it’ll
72:08
man band so no yeah but should the
72:12
government do anything no me as people
72:14
need to recognize that there is an issue
72:17
that there is a problem and we need to
72:20
look for alternatives
72:21
just like in breaking the duopoly we
72:24
need to figure out if there is a way
72:26
that we can break the stranglehold that
72:30
places like Facebook and Twitter and you
72:31
to have over the way that we communicate
72:36
in the way we get our media out yeah I
72:39
agree I agree so the the randomizer
72:43
wants a Dan taxation is theft Berman to
72:46
answer the following question first we
72:49
are living through moments when almost
72:51
all of the Democratic presidential
72:53
candidates are in favor of legalizing
72:55
marijuana this was not the case four
72:57
years ago and it certainly was never the
72:59
case before that it’s becoming if it’s
73:01
legal now and how many states people
73:03
nine something like that recreationally
73:05
definitely the momentum is going this
73:07
this this direction so libertarians who
73:10
have been talking about this since
73:12
libertarians were a thing from your
73:15
perspective what are the Democrats
73:17
getting wrong in the way that they are
73:21
going about legalizing marijuana and
73:23
doing these kind of overdue criminal
73:25
justice reforms
73:28
I think what they’re doing wrong is
73:30
they’re they’re trying to do what they
73:31
do best be government and micromanage
73:33
our lives they see that the people want
73:35
legalized cannabis and they say okay
73:37
fine we’ll give it to you but just a
73:39
little taste
73:40
we’re not gonna give you the whole thing
73:41
we want to control how much you have we
73:43
want to make sure the packages are
73:44
labeled we want to make sure you can
73:45
only buy it
73:46
from people who are paying us enormous
73:47
fees taxes people that we can rob you
73:52
have to buy it from them you can’t just
73:54
you can’t grow your own or if you do
73:56
you’re very limited in what you can do
73:58
not a single one of them will say you’re
74:01
free people go do whatever you want
74:02
that’s their problem they don’t
74:04
understand or respect freedom Kim ruff
74:09
and what way are new weed legalizing
74:12
friends in the Democratic Party doing it
74:14
wrong
74:15
they are doing it wrong in the sense
74:17
that just as Dan said they are trying to
74:19
effectively regulate it to the point of
74:21
not even if it’s a pittance basically
74:24
you have the ability to have marijuana
74:26
however you have to pay licenses if you
74:29
want to be a distributor you have to get
74:31
a medical marijuana ID in Arizona in our
74:33
case if you want to consume it you have
74:35
to pay taxes on it so they’re still very
74:38
heavily entrenched in your lives the
74:40
best way for them to actually deal with
74:42
it effectively is to tackle it on the
74:44
federal level and completely end the war
74:46
on drugs as it stands at least in the
74:48
state of Arizona where both Adam and I
74:49
live we have medical marijuana however
74:52
because of overarching federal
74:54
legislation if I wanted to get a medical
74:56
ID card well then I can kiss my firearms
74:59
goodbye because I won’t be sold any so
75:01
that’s where we really need to tack it
75:03
is at the federal level and that’s where
75:05
they’re failing Joe Jorgensen MOOC and
75:07
libertarians teach Democrats about
75:09
criminal justice reform yes first of all
75:12
there is still a law a federal law
75:14
outlawing it so that’s the first thing
75:16
that needs to be done is to get rid of
75:18
the federal law Joe Jorgenson by the way
75:21
ten years ago would have said that this
75:23
is not a question that she feels like
75:24
the voters care about yeah 20 years ago
75:28
definitely 20 years ago she would have
75:30
said she’s in favor of keeping it
75:32
illegal ten years ago she would have
75:34
said this is not a question I’m gonna
75:37
have her answer she’s answering it now
75:39
because Republicans and Democrat
75:41
they’re comfortable answering it I as a
75:46
federal candidate that’s all I could do
75:48
however I can speak and I would talk
75:51
with state representatives and local
75:53
representatives and for instance in
75:55
California there are still places where
75:57
you have to get a license in order to in
76:01
order to open up a store for instance
76:03
you have to get a certain license
76:05
something like forty percent of what
76:09
customers pay go straight to the
76:10
government and in fact instead of
76:13
illegal marijuana going down it’s
76:16
actually gone up because it’s still just
76:19
as profitable because it’s controlled so
76:22
much by the government so what we need
76:24
to do is get rid of those regulations
76:25
and make it truly illegal and not just
76:29
pay lip service to the word illegal Adam
76:34
Caucasian she mentally oh yeah it’s good
76:40
call really time flies when you’re
76:44
having fun all right well I love this
76:46
issue thank you for bringing it up Matt
76:48
and Verma not just because I love weed
76:51
as much as Brett Kavanaugh loves beer
76:53
but object with that did Matt Welch just
77:00
call him out for being high yeah to the
77:05
understanding of freedom how many of you
77:08
think cheeto Jesus never smoked pot I
77:11
mean that’s insane and the fact that he
77:14
is overseeing a system that criminalizes
77:16
marijuana smokers is the height of
77:18
hypocrisy and it’s so obvious it’s so
77:21
late bear now in the age of the Internet
77:23
the reason this is an important issue
77:26
that really gets to the heart of freedom
77:27
it’s such an effective gateway I’m proud
77:30
to say that we have stoners for khopesh
77:32
now with GI mary-jane leading the cause
77:35
here because when you realize that
77:38
government says you can’t put that in
77:40
your body they’re saying you don’t own
77:45
yourself in the millennial generation
77:48
people who grew up in the age of the
77:50
Internet
77:51
we’re not gonna put up with that crap
77:52
any
77:53
this is the end of the drug war we get
77:55
to make it happen urban supreme free the
78:03
weed free also higher end the people let
78:06
my people go
78:07
release all nonviolent offenders I smoke
78:10
dope I smoke grass if you don’t like it
78:12
you can kiss my ass the government has
78:14
no business in this business and the
78:16
government has no business doing any
78:18
business period thank you very much I’m
78:20
Burma supreme Christie chris Christie in
78:25
the CBS parking lot the CVS parking lot
78:28
after being kicked out of this after
78:29
being kicked out of the steak house he
78:32
then went to yeah yeah he walked across
78:34
the street and he started screaming that
78:36
chris Christie it works for him it’s but
78:44
I stand by for many years
78:46
good for him and Ken Armstrong you know
78:53
there’s not a single right that we have
78:56
that the government gives us we give the
79:00
government a very narrow and enumerated
79:03
sets of rights and controlling what we
79:07
you know that he’s a constitutionalist
79:09
he’s a constitutional and it’s it’s not
79:11
that we give them rights it’s that we
79:13
restrict what they are allowed to do
79:14
right and they flout that do in the
79:18
privacy of our own lives is really not
79:21
the right of the government so the
79:23
question of legalizing marijuana has
79:26
nothing to do with whether I like
79:28
marijuana or this is ASMR
79:30
constitutionalism of free speech it
79:33
depends on whether what you say is
79:35
something I like or not it is your right
79:38
to live freely in your life period
79:45
next round of questioning will start
79:47
with kim ruff perhaps appropriately
79:50
enough since it’s about what someone
79:52
might do in the practical world of being
79:55
a president which is a note that you had
79:57
a president the executive branch has a
80:00
lot of leeway as we have seen the last
80:01
three years in enforcing and setting the
80:04
terms of immigration law in particular
80:06
it’s a federal government role much more
80:08
than the state government role and
80:10
refugees can change and all kinds of
80:13
different things can change so thinking
80:15
about being the president of the United
80:16
States what would you change in the
80:18
current way that the executive branch is
80:20
enforcing or regulating or dealing with
80:22
immigration as it stands now all right
80:28
well as libertarian advocates for the
80:31
free movement of people there should be
80:33
no restraints or constrictions to who
80:36
comes here if they want to be here just
80:38
as there should be no restraints on to
80:40
who wants to leave should they desire to
80:42
do so
80:42
you should not restrict the movement of
80:44
people period and so far as the federal
80:46
government goes we have created all
80:48
these absurd constraints and criteria
80:51
for whether or not you qualify to come
80:53
here and live in America and a lot of
80:55
them are incredibly punitive to some of
80:57
the places where we’ve been trifling in
80:58
their foreign affairs this concern about
81:00
refugees from Syria this concern about
81:03
people from the Middle East who want to
81:05
come here and we’re afraid we’re gonna
81:06
end up with terrorists well we created
81:08
that very situation when the CIA went in
81:10
and overthrew the Shah this happens over
81:13
and over and over again if we want to
81:15
actually allow people to be truly free
81:17
we have to radically change our foreign
81:20
policy approach that’s where we start
81:22
and we allow people to come in and live
81:24
here and contribute to our economy by
81:26
being part of our brain trust
81:28
Berman’s supreme how does the Pony
81:31
toothbrush regime fax immigration I read
81:35
3.5 3.4 from the libertarian party
81:38
platform free trade of migration we
81:40
support the removal of government
81:42
impediments to free trade political
81:44
freedom and escape from tyranny demand
81:46
that individuals not be unreasonably
81:47
constrained by government in the
81:48
crossing of political boundaries
81:50
economic freedom demands the
81:52
unrestricted movement of human as well
81:54
as financial capital across national
81:57
that’s all Joe Jorgenson that was a
82:03
that’s a good answer
82:04
that was a good answer he actually does
82:06
that a lot he’ll say well I’ll refer to
82:08
the Libertarian Party platform you’re
82:10
gonna disagree with the Libertarian
82:12
Party platform does a libertarian okay
82:17
III to it stroke a genius first I’d like
82:22
to say I’m the grandchild of immigrants
82:24
yes I believe in immigration yes we need
82:27
to have more productive people come into
82:28
our country right now it takes about
82:30
eight years even for those who can come
82:33
over so we need to speed that up and we
82:35
need to certainly knock down some of
82:38
those barriers and get as many people
82:40
here as we can who can help improve our
82:42
country ken Armstrong what should the
82:47
executive branch do how should the
82:48
president change his or her approach
82:50
well I’d like to say that we could have
82:52
everything we want all at once but
82:54
sometimes you have to move the ball down
82:56
the field incrementally you don’t get to
82:58
make a touchdown on every play but what
83:00
I would love to do in the first
83:02
increment is establish an international
83:04
free trade zone on certainly on our
83:07
southern border to go on our northern
83:09
border as well have it be a totally
83:12
voluntary opt-in sort of thing we’re not
83:15
gonna confiscate any land but the people
83:17
who own the land that the borders can
83:19
decide whether they want to sell it to
83:21
entrepreneurs to to operate in the free
83:24
trade zone we can have cultural exchange
83:27
in the free trade zone I’m going to
83:29
borrow one idea from from my friend
83:31
Larry sharp who said that we should have
83:33
to Ellis Islands on the southern border
83:37
and I really think that’s a wonderful
83:38
idea inside the free trade zone have
83:41
consular offices open 24 hours a day
83:44
because one of the biggest problems that
83:46
we have is visa overstays we need to
83:49
make consular offices available dan
83:52
taxation is theft berman as the only
83:54
person up here whose candidate campaign
83:57
offices headquartered in cancun that’s
83:59
right
84:00
so one thing that I think is really
84:04
important to understand with immigration
84:05
is the only thing we have to fear is
84:07
fear itself the entire immigration
84:10
debate
84:10
is driven by fear we’re told others
84:13
rapists and murderers coming there are
84:16
plenty of those in cities like I don’t
84:18
know if I should name them but Detroit
84:19
and some of the other ones that have
84:21
higher crime rates than most of the
84:23
cities in Mexico but we’re told we
84:25
should be afraid of Mexico are people
84:27
migrating out of Detroit’s into all
84:29
these other cities and sending all their
84:31
bad people and drugs and everything no
84:33
are all the drugs coming out of Colorado
84:35
into the other states now that now that
84:38
cannabis is legal not really not anymore
84:40
than it was before but all of this is
84:44
fear driven and most of this is just
84:46
completely irrational fear and so we
84:49
need to really understand and and when
84:53
people talk about this we need to
84:55
reassure people that if we fix some of
84:57
the bigger problems first like the war
84:59
on drugs then any problems that might
85:02
actually exist will actually go away
85:05
because the war on drugs is happening on
85:06
both sides of the border and it’s gonna
85:08
happen until it’s over and it doesn’t
85:12
matter how solid that border is we need
85:14
to end the war on drugs then and Adam
85:19
Koch cash should the last hear and maybe
85:20
you can address it from your standpoint
85:22
if someone who wants to put the federal
85:24
government into bankruptcy and have a
85:26
lot of localization immigration has
85:28
largely been a federal concern how does
85:31
your approach Square that my second
85:34
favorite socialist running for president
85:36
after Tulsi Gabbard is the orange
85:39
creamsicle in the White House and it is
85:42
maddening it is absolutely maddening to
85:45
hear people speak out against socialism
85:48
and all the ills of it and then say oh
85:51
but that doesn’t apply to border control
85:53
oh that doesn’t apply to the military oh
85:55
that doesn’t apply to the police no the
85:58
exact same problems with socializing
86:00
defense and protection services and
86:03
public safety services are just as bad
86:06
as with anything else and when you see
86:08
how that ill has plagued America you
86:10
understand why we are failing so bad in
86:13
these regards as it comes to borders the
86:16
question is not how to manage government
86:18
borders the question is are we going to
86:21
embrace the reality that the
86:23
legitimate borders are private property
86:26
borders and that government borders
86:28
can’t exist as enforcement points in
86:31
respect for private property you have
86:33
the right to decide who you associate
86:36
with and the only way that right is
86:37
going to be exercised is if we get
86:39
government out of the way
86:41
I appreciate Adams name check of tulsi
86:46
gabbard cuz that’s gonna lead us to our
86:47
next round of question whose recipients
86:50
or answerer
86:51
will be here and this will be the final
86:55
question of the first half of the debate
86:57
I’m arbitrarily creating halves here
86:59
since we got a late start at Dan
87:01
fishmeal we’ll get up after this
87:03
question and give a little tap dance
87:05
little soft-shoe
87:06
and then we’ll go in the second half
87:08
getting emotional about things hopefully
87:11
but anyways so Tulsi Gabbard there are
87:15
she’s a fan of or you know there’s a lot
87:18
of libertarians who are fans of hers a
87:19
lot of Ron Paul fans who were interested
87:21
in her anti-war candidacy there are also
87:23
a couple of Republicans who are running
87:24
who have a history with either the
87:26
Libertarian Party as bill well does or
87:28
what the word libertarian mark Sanford
87:30
has described himself that way for 15 20
87:33
odd years and is running a campaign
87:35
about the debt question to you is which
87:39
person currently running in one of the
87:42
two bigger parties for presidents would
87:45
you welcome the most to drop what
87:47
they’re doing and join the libertarian
87:49
party
87:56
talk about a gotcha question who would I
88:00
welcome the most well if you’re really
88:05
gonna make me do the lesser of two evils
88:06
then I suppose I’ll go with Tulsi but
88:09
above and beyond that I don’t think any
88:11
of them would necessarily qualify as
88:13
libertarians there’s a lot to our belief
88:15
system and it all hinges on this core
88:18
respect of human rights our natural
88:20
rights to life liberty and property
88:21
she’s right on the money with her
88:23
anti-war stance and I greatly appreciate
88:25
the fact that she’s actually putting it
88:27
out there and to some extent mainstream
88:29
media is picking up on it because the
88:31
anti-war left has been suspiciously
88:33
silent for a very very long time however
88:36
she also wants to give you a chicken in
88:40
every pot and Medicare for all and make
88:42
sure that you have you know basic
88:44
minimum the universal basic income which
88:46
is antithetical to what we believe
88:47
because that’s a redistribution of
88:49
wealth which is theft and we reject it
88:51
wholesale so while they might be a
88:54
little bit right and I appreciate their
88:56
a little bit right they’re not
88:58
libertarians so I wouldn’t necessarily
89:00
be comfortable with them running on our
89:02
ticket dan taxation is theft vermin
89:06
I don’t even question about running but
89:07
like just come on in drop your party
89:09
affiliation I would like you out of all
89:11
the people running to join us based on
89:13
the values that I see that you have
89:15
based on their values I would absolutely
89:18
say Bernie Sanders because I think that
89:20
might be the only chance I actually have
89:21
to debate him Bernie’s Bernie’s an
89:29
interesting guy and I get why a lot of
89:30
people like him because he he gives the
89:32
vibe that he really cares about people
89:34
and he wants to help people
89:35
he points out some real problems the the
89:38
you know the big 1% in the corporations
89:40
and everything of course he’s completely
89:41
clueless as to why they’re the 1% why
89:44
they have power and how to stop them but
89:46
I think he does bring attention to those
89:48
points really well and I would
89:50
absolutely love to debate him on how to
89:51
solve that problem
89:53
by getting government out of the way
89:54
which gives those big corporations the
89:56
power that they have so that we can
89:59
actually be free and we can actually get
90:01
rid of those by voluntarily taking our
90:04
money elsewhere
90:06
ken Armstrong choose a major party
90:09
libertarian yeah okay well I have to say
90:13
first in I was twice elected office in
90:16
honolulu county nonpartisan office I
90:18
knew Mike Gabbard Tulsa’s dad didn’t
90:21
know him well but I knew the guy and I
90:23
knew him by reputation as well and the
90:25
family has a great deal of integrity
90:27
even though I disagree with them on
90:29
nearly everything but I have to say that
90:33
said just based on the integrity the
90:37
only person on either side right now
90:39
that has the integrity that I believe we
90:42
need to really deal with the truth in
90:44
the Libertarian Party would be Tulsi
90:47
Furman supreme let’s see we already had
90:51
weld right I believe someone check the
90:58
bylaws on that one but I believe the
91:00
answer is yes well maybe we could send
91:01
bado to the freakin tree education
91:03
center and teach him how to learn to
91:04
love guns he’d be okay Joe Jorgenson so
91:12
do I get to pick from either party yes
91:14
but it has to be a candidate for a
91:16
declared candidate for president of the
91:18
Democratic or republican party okay
91:21
being in this part of the state of South
91:24
I thought she was joking when she said
91:26
this she was not joking
91:30
actually I shouldn’t have thought she
91:31
was joking based on her response to
91:33
Sarah at the convention Carolina I
91:36
believe he’s still a candidate I think
91:38
the right answer is Mark Sanford Mark
91:40
Sanford
91:42
acted like a libertarian through most of
91:45
his political career and a lot of people
91:48
here were big fans even after his
91:51
horrible indiscretion the people of the
91:55
state still elected him back to Congress
91:57
he’s libertarian at heart and while I
92:01
commend Tulsi Gabbard for her good no
92:04
war stance everything else about her is
92:07
just wrong I don’t see any other
92:08
libertarian leanings in her but I do see
92:11
many libertarian leanings in mark
92:12
Sanford and
92:18
that’s I just she’s a conservative she’s
92:27
a conservative I don’t know why she’s
92:29
not a libertarian she’s not a
92:31
libertarian mark Sanford is about as
92:34
libertarian as Rand Paul if Rand Paul
92:39
was even less libertarian he just likes
92:44
using that term he’s not a libertarian
92:47
he’s a fiscal hawk and a conservative
92:49
he’s not a libertarian it is depressing
92:55
that there are anyone that wants her to
93:00
be the candidate but anyway here we are
93:04
Adam Koch cash will you be the only
93:07
person sticking up for Bill well Ayers I
93:14
wish all my time shaking my head here
93:16
Matt you want me to tell you who my
93:18
favorite current Republican or Democrat
93:21
presidential candidate right now no I’m
93:24
sorry I do not have a favorite flavor of
93:27
cancer now what we’re doing with this
93:33
platform of localization is bringing
93:36
people together the politics of the
93:38
duopoly is about divisive nough sand I
93:41
was so excited this morning it was like
93:43
a second Christmas already waking up
93:46
this morning to an endorsement from
93:48
former Green Party presidential
93:50
candidate sixth term congresswoman from
93:52
Georgia Cynthia McKinney and I’m very
93:57
excited that she in that endorsement
93:59
statement is actually encouraging people
94:00
to come in to the Libertarian Party to
94:03
be unified around this message of
94:04
localization I’m also the only candidate
94:07
in this race who has been as in my
94:09
congressional race endorsed by Ron Paul
94:12
unfortunately will be the only one since
94:14
he doesn’t endorse libertarians as long
94:16
as Rand is in the Senate but I think
94:18
what we have proven
94:19
this is a message they can bring people
94:22
in from both parties Thank You Adam thus
94:24
concludes our first half we’re gonna
94:27
welcome Dan Fishman from the National
94:29
Liberty no we’re not
94:33
yeah it was a terrible question so I
94:37
guess we can do another red carpet we’re
94:40
at the halfway mark let’s see two of
94:44
them say who the straw poll winner is so
94:46
I gotta make sure not to do those ones
94:48
until until the end so here is my red
94:55
carpet interview with Dan I didn’t
95:43
proofread visa comm only take you to
95:50
ready
95:55
taxation stop well is pretty awesome
96:11
going in I got a little bit nervous in
96:12
the middle because I was like I was like
96:21
and I was like they’re asking all these
96:24
questions but they’re kind of the same
96:26
questions we were already had I’m like
97:20
we’re living in 2019 this guy’s in
97:23
$21.99 that’s when this had he he can
97:55
but I can tell them work
98:07
daisuke-kun and I’m going to Olli in New
98:10
York and then no Buffalo New York and
98:13
then Olli in New York and then mount ups
98:15
in New York and then maybe New York City
98:17
depending on what is your message to all
98:41
gets to spend now because you learn so
98:44
much better at home than you will by the
98:46
tyrants at your local public school drop
98:48
out this red carpet interview so two
98:55
things there and I’m actually the way
98:58
Daniel taxation of step Berman is gonna
99:01
be my guest next week next Wednesday at
99:03
8 p.m. on my fellow Americans making a
99:06
grand return this month and I’m gonna
99:10
have to find out more because he I felt
99:12
like he dodged my two questions one was
99:15
the uranium which I think he was just
99:17
making the point that the government
99:18
uses uranium to make plutonium but I
99:20
just want to make sure that he thinks
99:22
that she should be decriminalized and
99:25
then also where his hat came from you
99:30
didn’t lie I came from a place it did
99:31
come from a place so I wanna real quick
99:37
today is election day also known as
99:39
autumn cherub Tuesday autumn cherub
99:43
Tuesday Ukrainian autumn Tuesday right
99:46
and in the Kentucky governors race with
99:49
a hundred percent reporting the Democrat
99:54
Andy Beshear has 49 point two percent of
99:58
the vote while Matt Bevin the incumbent
100:00
has forty eight point nine percent of
100:03
the votes so we can roughly say that
100:07
that’s nowhere near over that’s going to
100:11
no
100:12
gonna come out saying that somebody’s a
100:14
winner in this one right now well how
100:16
much does the Democrat I have forty nine
100:18
point two to forty eight point nine Oh
100:21
in Kentucky in Kentucky yay I think that
100:26
this might end up being a really ugly
100:28
cycle for Republicans yeah it looks like
100:32
right now
100:37
Bashar leads Matt Bevin by four thousand
100:40
six hundred and fifty eight votes I mean
100:43
it’s still a and you don’t know there
100:47
may be big pockets that are still left
100:50
to be counted that will help him or help
100:52
her you know Beshear or what you don’t
100:54
really know I don’t know Kentucky well
100:56
enough to be able to tell you that but
100:57
that’s a close race that’s a that’s a
100:59
really close race that’s not where you
101:01
expect to be as a Republican running for
101:03
governor in Kentucky right it says that
101:05
all precincts are reporting but I mean
101:12
no matter what I believe that’s gonna go
101:15
to a recount does it say it’s a hundred
101:17
percent counted just a 100 percent
101:20
reporting it doesn’t say a hundred
101:21
percent counted okay and no but like
101:24
nobody’s calling this okay ya know no
101:26
one’s gonna call that all right so let
101:28
me fish through this terian party to
101:32
come up and say you support these
101:34
candidates a few hundred articles and I
101:36
love seeing on occasion okay you support
101:39
these candidates because they’re
101:40
representing something that’s so vital
101:43
to your life representing the end of
101:46
government intrusion so one hand it back
101:48
to Matt thank you guys very much
101:50
that was a longer speech thank you Dan
101:55
to party in preparation of all this if
102:08
you look on the website they have they
102:10
asked the same ten questions to all the
102:12
candidates I think four of the six
102:13
answered there but it’s pretty useful
102:16
information to riff from not least which
102:19
jorgensen apparently is a pretty serious
102:21
Axl Rose problem here that I think we’re
102:24
going to spend most of the second half
102:25
of
102:25
debate talking about ok we’re going to
102:28
that’s Emily her problem yes please
102:31
nope you can’t that’s so there we go
102:37
yeah I’ve ever a bottle for you Matt
102:39
actually you shouldn’t be asking a bunch
102:42
of libertarians who are favourite
102:43
Democrats and Republicans are you should
102:45
be asking Republicans and Democrats who
102:48
their favorite libertarians are and we
102:50
really need to turn that mentality
102:52
around and I will say for all the great
102:54
candidates on this stage echoing what
102:57
Dan Fishman said you see how the old
102:59
parties get behind their candidates now
103:01
we need to build that culture that’s why
103:03
I’ve been running for for almost two
103:05
years now so that we could build the
103:06
organization build the momentum and have
103:08
things in place let’s step up our game
103:10
and flip the script on them Adam if I
103:14
didn’t ask that question that wouldn’t
103:15
give you a golden opportunity to rebuke
103:17
the moderator and look better in the
103:18
eyes of the audience so allow the set of
103:23
the volleyball on occasion okay so we’re
103:25
gonna talk more on personal things in
103:28
this second half here first of all
103:31
everyone there Axl Rose a story about
103:33
beyond that actually I need to hit the
103:35
randomizer here sorry again and Ken
103:39
Armstrong is gonna go first which is
103:41
which is cool I want to hear from each
103:43
of you an honest answer to the best of
103:46
your ability what single bit of the
103:51
Libertarian Party platform do you either
103:53
disagree with the most or just sort of
103:56
makes you most uncomfortable as you
103:58
agree with it well and I have to be
104:02
honest this time I didn’t know he was
104:05
going to throw that one in on us okay
104:11
you know I I’m actually very comfortable
104:14
with the platform the difficulty comes
104:17
in selling it to people who don’t
104:19
understand what we’re about and that
104:22
takes a little bit of one-on-one a
104:24
little bit of honest conversation when
104:27
we talk about things like
104:29
decriminalizing sex trades you know it’s
104:32
not because we want to dehumanize women
104:35
it’s because the government has never
104:36
done a good job
104:37
of controlling things like that so well
104:41
I’m very very comfortable with the
104:43
platform sometimes we need to do some
104:47
very personal one-on-one to sell it
104:50
bourbon supreme is there any part of the
104:52
Libertarian Party platform that you
104:53
don’t cannot wait not that I will admit
104:58
to thank you answer Adam coke cash
105:03
except the part about debate moderators
105:05
do you agree with everything in the
105:06
libertarian I love the party platform
105:09
especially the statement of principles I
105:11
love seeing our secretary Kerry and
105:13
Harlow’s going out as the big history
105:15
buff in the Libertarian Party preserving
105:17
documents and getting that out there
105:19
understand why we are so committed and
105:22
what makes us the party of principle
105:24
going back to the first national
105:26
convention when we came up with this
105:28
idea of having something that are so
105:29
built in protected by the seven-eighths
105:32
rule within the Libertarian Party
105:33
platform at with the statement of
105:36
principles it is we the members of the
105:39
Libertarian Party challenged the cult of
105:42
the omnipotent state and defend the
105:45
rights of the individual I’ve heard it
105:50
read at state party gatherings like it’s
105:54
straight out of the Bible it is
105:55
beautiful now there’s one thing that I
106:00
think is a critical shift in how we
106:02
present it there we’ll say there’s one
106:03
thing I’d like to add and that’s
106:06
localization I know it’s covered in
106:08
different ways but that we get
106:09
government down to the voluntary
106:11
community level with the everybody gets
106:13
what they want strategy we can
106:15
communicate this message that much more
106:18
powerfully and reach that many more
106:19
people good Dan
106:22
taxation is theft Berman any part of the
106:24
platform you’re uncomfortable with I’d
106:26
really like to see taxation stuff
106:28
sprinkled around a few more times
106:30
there’s I think it’s chapter 4 section
106:33
17 where there’s a missing Oxford comma
106:37
I know I really think the the platform
106:40
is really great I think most of its
106:42
designed around the the basic idea of
106:45
the non-aggression principle of self
106:47
ownership and self responsibility and
106:50
the idea that we
106:51
don’t need government to micromanage our
106:53
lives there’s no way they can there’s no
106:55
way that a few hundred or a few thousand
106:58
or however many politicians we have at
107:00
whatever whatever level of government
107:02
there’s no way that they know us
107:04
individually well enough to know what’s
107:07
right for us and I think that’s pretty
107:09
well laid out in every single platform
107:11
that’s in there
107:12
Kim rough platform yeah I don’t disagree
107:18
with any aspect I don’t think he likes
107:20
Kim because he doesn’t when he’ll ask
107:25
her questions he doesn’t like reiterate
107:27
what the question was about he kind of
107:30
throws it at her quickly I know the
107:32
randomizer is choosing who gets the
107:35
question but I don’t know it just feels
107:36
like he’s being kind of rough on her but
107:38
maybe I’m just partial he’s being kind
107:40
of rough on rough he didn’t kind of
107:41
rough on rough huh huh huh of the
107:47
platform in fact the platform is
107:49
precisely why I changed my voter
107:51
registration in 2005 to become a
107:53
libertarian because it was such a
107:54
beautiful articulation of our values and
107:57
belief here’s a little rough on her huh
107:59
it’s starting with of course the
108:02
statement of principles so with that in
108:05
mind what I’d like to talk about instead
108:06
is some of the interesting questions I
108:08
get asked running as a presidential
108:10
candidate which speaks more to how
108:12
little people seem to understand what
108:15
the actual role and function of the
108:17
president is I get asked about all sorts
108:19
of things that are oftentimes I have to
108:21
say well that’s the state powers or
108:23
thing that’s not something that the
108:25
president has any impact on or you know
108:27
what are you gonna do about this issue
108:28
and well that’s the legislature I’m not
108:30
running for the legislature I’m running
108:32
only for president which is the
108:33
executive branch
108:34
it’s the enforcement arm of the state I
108:36
don’t make laws
108:37
I can act as a functional bully pulpit
108:40
but above and beyond that I have a very
108:42
limited purview as we should all have so
108:45
that’s probably what I would disagree
108:47
with is just how some of those ideas
108:49
actually translate into that role and
108:52
Joe Jorgenson yes I agree with the
108:56
platform and I’ve actually never
108:58
registered or voted Democrat Republican
109:01
in the 40 years that I’ve been voting in
109:02
fact when I moved to
109:04
state that I knew I was going to be
109:06
there temporarily I actually went
109:08
through the trouble to get my voter
109:09
registration card just so I could vote
109:11
for Ron Paul even though I was going to
109:13
be leaving in a few months so yes I love
109:15
the platform that’s why I’m part of the
109:17
party the only one that I would question
109:19
is Harry Brown and Ron Paul did disagree
109:24
with the abortion issue and while they
109:27
did a very good job of supporting the
109:29
platform I I wonder if maybe it would
109:32
keep some people out as far as who would
109:37
say yes that’s part of the right to life
109:39
and I’m not saying that that the
109:42
platform should become pro-life but
109:44
perhaps not have it there just so that
109:45
it doesn’t keep some people from even
109:48
considering us because we need to grow
109:50
the party and we need to grow the party
109:52
with people who want life liberty and
109:54
property so what she’s talking about
109:58
there is and I’ll pull up the party
110:00
platform so she just said that the
110:03
Libertarian Party should put being
110:06
pro-life in their platform basically or
110:09
just not mention it at all she’s a big
110:11
fan of not mentioning what the
110:12
Libertarian Party believes in order to
110:14
give voters which seems a little
110:15
ingenuine so it says recognizing that
110:22
abortion is a sensitive issue and that
110:24
people can hold good faith views on all
110:26
sides we believe that government should
110:28
be kept out of the matter
110:30
leaving question to each person for
110:33
their conscience conscientious
110:35
consideration which is sort of a
110:38
standard-issue libertarian answer the
110:42
government shouldn’t be involved
110:44
whatever you think about life the
110:49
government shouldn’t be involved and
110:52
she’s saying let’s remove that so that
110:57
may be pro lifers might think we’re
110:58
pro-life now I consider myself pro-life
111:06
to the extent that I think personhood
111:09
begins a lot sooner than a lot of
111:14
pro-choice people do I don’t think it
111:16
happens at birth
111:18
I don’t think it I don’t think happens
111:20
at conception but I don’t think it
111:21
happens at birth I don’t know exactly
111:22
when it happens but I think happens a
111:24
lot sooner than a lot of other people do
111:26
and I also think the government should
111:29
not exist so that it definitely
111:31
shouldn’t be telling people when
111:35
personhood begins and therefore when
111:36
abortion should be legal or illegal it
111:39
also shouldn’t be robbing us to pay for
111:40
abortions or anything else and again
111:43
she’s a conservative she’s a
111:50
conservative thank job so this next
111:53
question is which we went to the White
111:58
House yeah really
112:00
no it really is it’s just like literally
112:06
just let’s not say what we think about
112:09
stuff because it’s it could defend
112:11
someone I think it’s the I think it’s a
112:15
terrible terrible terrible idea what
112:17
what what they’re pushing I think it’s a
112:20
terrible idea I don’t know what what on
112:23
earth the people who think she’s a good
112:26
pick Gary Johnson did a better job
112:30
answering questions than her I don’t get
112:34
a cream is probably the single most
112:36
common question brought to me on Twitter
112:39
when I asked solicited questions and
112:41
this is both of libertarians and non
112:44
libertarians like and the question is
112:47
prefaced by the libertarian party has a
112:50
problem in the view of a lot of these
112:51
people asking these questions with not
112:53
being taken seriously
112:55
James weeks the striptease in 2016 which
112:58
is one of three things apparently a lot
113:00
of people only remember from the 2016
113:02
campaign and here is vermin supreme
113:05
showing up wearing a boot that doesn’t
113:07
feel very serious that’s that’s actually
113:09
detracting from the party’s seriousness
113:11
of message or maybe it’s dad taxation is
113:14
theft berman changing his name to
113:16
taxation is theft and wearing a big
113:17
yellow floppy hat or whatever fill in
113:20
the blank as someone who does put on the
113:22
boot and talk about ponies how do you
113:25
respond to that question that I get
113:27
asked all the damn time
113:29
thank you very much that is one of the
113:31
main concerns that I
113:31
feel that I’m often confronted with
113:33
people ask me they wonder can a serious
113:36
political party put up a perceived to
113:38
choke candidate and not be considered a
113:40
joke party I say yes I believe it is
113:43
absolutely in the framing I believe the
113:45
Libertarian Party could very easily put
113:47
a flat-out statement to put themselves
113:49
ahead of the joke simply saying yes we
113:51
are as a libertarian party we a party of
113:53
ideals we are a party of action we are
113:56
part of things and however and then the
114:00
pivot the electoral system in America
114:03
the duopoly the presidential elections
114:05
have risen to the level of a joke
114:07
and here’s vermin supreme with love and
114:10
spite enjoy and I believe that the
114:12
Libertarian Party could get ahead of
114:14
that and if they were in on the joke and
114:16
they were made it very clear that they
114:18
are putting out vermin scream as a joke
114:19
as a critique and then let nature do its
114:22
rest Joe Jorgenson does the Libertarian
114:27
Party have a perceived seriousness issue
114:30
and to boots on heads and jokes help her
114:33
hurt well I’m not sure why you’re asking
114:36
me I’ve never worn a boot on my head no
114:39
but you’re a member of Libertarian Party
114:40
and this is a common it’s never too late
114:43
to start good point
114:46
and why did legally change my name it
114:49
was not that actually I do have a
114:56
concern overall about about how people
114:59
treat us however I I don’t
115:03
yes I guess in a way I do I here’s the
115:06
thing we’re all going to have to get
115:08
together at the convention and
115:10
somebody’s going to be the nominee and
115:11
we need to all support each other so I’m
115:14
not going to sit here and say somebody
115:15
shouldn’t wear a boot on his head
115:17
however I think we do need to present
115:19
ourselves as presidential and I think
115:23
we’re all standing here dressed very
115:24
presidential II and I think if we were
115:26
on a televised debate I think we would
115:28
actually look not as a joke party Tim
115:32
ruff well I think that we are not taken
115:37
seriously not because of who we have in
115:39
front of the camera but because
115:41
generally speaking mainstream media and
115:43
the duopoly so Republicans in
115:45
Democrats are not going to want us in
115:47
front of the camera so they’re gonna
115:49
find any perceived flaw and blow it out
115:52
of proportion it doesn’t matter if you
115:54
wear a boot on your head or two on your
115:55
feet they’re still gonna find something
115:57
to nitpick because that’s what they
115:59
choose to do with us however if we are
116:02
unified in our messaging because it is
116:04
all sales if we’re unified in our
116:07
messaging we are clear about what it is
116:09
to be a libertarian then we can get this
116:11
information out there some people are
116:13
going to respond positively to vermin’s
116:15
show and they do people respond
116:18
positively to Adam they may not
116:19
necessarily be the people who like how I
116:21
say it or how I present it but there’s
116:23
still libertarians and they’re still
116:24
listening every foot in the door every
116:27
tactic is invaluable in this fight as
116:30
long as we are consistent in our message
116:33
and we are on point about what it means
116:35
to be a libertarian dan taxation is
116:39
theft Berman
116:42
anyone in this room named more than two
116:45
Republican candidates who are running or
116:48
more than let’s just say 20 Democrat
116:51
candidates that are running there are
116:54
over 700 candidates and that was an
116:56
article that was put out months ago who
116:58
knows how many now that are running for
117:00
the Presidency many of them are
117:02
Democrats and Republicans and many of
117:05
them have much bigger issues than what
117:07
they wear on their head the reason you
117:09
don’t hear from them is because the
117:11
media controls what we see and look what
117:15
one look what’s in the White House right
117:17
now that started out as a joke everyone
117:20
thought that was a joke nobody thought
117:21
he was gonna win everybody laughed at
117:23
him he’s crazy and what happened now
117:27
I’ll give you he’s a little bit
117:28
different he bankrolled himself he’s a
117:30
billionaire he’s made lots of money
117:32
ripping people off we don’t have that
117:35
okay but is a hat really gonna make that
117:39
much of a difference when we have such a
117:41
big issue with the media controlling
117:43
what we see shouldn’t we focus our
117:46
attention there and ask why they’re not
117:49
giving attention to any of the other
117:51
candidates whether they’re libertarians
117:52
green are independent why
117:58
can Armstrong well I think our problem
118:03
is not so much the weather we’re
118:07
theatrical or not theatrical we’ve got
118:10
six I think two-step fabulous people on
118:12
the stage today and I think we all make
118:15
each other better I think there is a
118:17
perception issue that’s created by the
118:20
media and and and I think it’s a real
118:23
thing and I agree with what vermin says
118:25
that we need to we need to explain
118:28
ourselves a little bit better and and
118:31
help the public to understand what’s
118:34
going on but I do think that we need to
118:37
identify what our brand is and and stick
118:41
to the brand and that doesn’t mean that
118:44
we all have to wear a dark blue suit and
118:45
a gold tie and it certainly doesn’t mean
118:49
that we all have to look like crack or
118:51
sound like Darth Vader or any of those
118:53
things but it does mean that when we’re
118:57
out there before the public that we’re
118:59
representing the libertarian brand and
119:02
not ourselves the after for the
119:07
self-depreciating humor there yeah so I
119:10
want to say something about Ken I like
119:12
him he’s like a really likable guy and
119:15
he’s funny and he’s self-deprecating and
119:18
all of that stuff I just politically
119:21
he’s a constitutionalist former NATO
119:24
commander like he’s not doing for doing
119:27
it for me there but I like him I think
119:29
he’s a nice guy and I think he means
119:31
well or whatever but III just I’m not
119:34
sure that this is the party for him but
119:35
I I actually like couldn’t I couldn’t
119:37
not like him so a party is gonna be
119:42
competing Axl Rose and Darth Vader
119:43
impersonations apparently Adam Koch ash
119:45
take us home on this question does the
119:49
Libertarian Party have an image issue do
119:53
you watch too much mainstream media
119:55
actually I just participate in whoever
120:00
is the Libertarian Party nominee in 2020
120:03
is going to be running against the
120:06
world’s greatest troll doll hair
120:08
included you think we
120:10
an image problem no no no let’s put this
120:13
in perspective first they ignore you
120:17
then they laugh at you then they fight
120:22
you and then that’s where we are as a
120:29
party right now let’s embrace that be
120:32
libertarian stand up for who we are be
120:35
the best libertarians we can be because
120:37
this is a message that reaches to the
120:40
heart of every single American that’s
120:43
the image we should have as the best
120:45
libertarians that we can be thank you
120:49
Adam
120:50
stay standing Adam Koch because you are
120:51
first in the next round which is each
120:54
question is going to be personalized to
120:57
the person answering it and so it’s not
121:00
going to be generalized so question to
121:01
you Adam Koch cash controversy at least
121:04
among the 13 people you recently went to
121:07
a bar participate in some way in a
121:09
straight pride event or parade can you
121:13
explain why you did that and also is
121:16
that the type of thing that you plan on
121:19
doing in your campaign and as the
121:21
nominee well Matt I think in order to
121:23
present this honestly you have to say
121:25
that I went to the straight pride march
121:27
and to the protest against the straight
121:30
pride march and spoke Claire at both and
121:32
originally went to the straight pride
121:34
march in order to Punk it basically I
121:36
had a lot of fun doing so because
121:38
frankly the culture war is divisive
121:40
bullshit it is really sick and sad
121:43
you’re gonna fight over culture because
121:48
other people want to live differently
121:49
some this is the problem with government
121:52
under a centralized coercive Authority
121:54
liberals and conservatives have to meet
121:57
on the street and see each other as
121:59
enemies because they have to fight over
122:01
who’s gonna get their will forced on the
122:04
other through this one size fits nobody
122:05
but the profiteer solution and that’s
122:08
what drives divisive ‘no stoller ization
122:12
and it was a little bit of a tough
122:14
situation there man to say I’m gonna
122:17
piss off both on
122:18
as I’m speaking today and say you’re all
122:20
wrong for participating in this and
122:22
America is united in saying this
122:24
nonsense needs to stop we should unite
122:26
around freedom kim ruff in your south
122:34
carolina LP interview page i think you
122:36
were asked something along the lines of
122:38
what are the biggest challenges facing
122:40
the country and you had a very
122:41
interesting answer which is i don’t
122:43
think the government really is facing
122:45
significant challenges right now that’s
122:48
interesting can you explain that a
122:50
little bit yes that’s not the thing that
122:52
a lot of people would perceive do you
122:55
mind reading me
123:09
what is the biggest that’s pretty quick
123:11
right 10 seconds being called out on
123:12
what is the biggest challenge facing the
123:14
federal government currently kim ruff
123:16
was asked as she’s filibustering for her
123:18
answer i would argue that the federal
123:20
government isn’t currently facing any
123:23
significant challenges which has led us
123:25
to the very situation we were in and
123:27
fighting against okay all right so what
123:31
i was driving at when I wrote that
123:32
answer which is a lot longer than what
123:34
Matt did was basically saying that we
123:37
are challenging our federal government
123:38
enough that is what’s going on we are in
123:41
a situation we are basically on cruise
123:44
control as an electorate and we you
123:46
notice like statistically speaking even
123:48
though you’re City Council has way more
123:50
bearing on your day-to-day functions
123:52
more people participate in presidential
123:54
elections but even so in 2016 46 percent
123:58
of the eligible voting population chose
124:00
to sit on the sidelines and instead
124:02
permit government to do what thou wilt
124:04
and that’s the problem is that we aren’t
124:07
rising up we aren’t paying attention
124:09
anymore and a lot of that has to do with
124:10
the fact that most of us are so taxed so
124:13
burdened financially because of the fact
124:15
that we have to support this Leviathan
124:17
that we are too tired
124:19
to pay attention to what’s going on
124:21
we’re not active we’re not involved we
124:23
don’t pay attention and we don’t push
124:24
back but we have the capability it
124:26
starts with every single one of us it’s
124:28
incumbent upon each of us to say I have
124:31
the power
124:31
and I demand it back dan taxation is
124:36
theft Berman it’s right there in your
124:38
middle name but do you mean it for
124:40
corporate taxes bro all right so I I
124:44
know this is going back to a Twitter
124:47
post where I said that a corporate tax
124:52
is slightly more legitimate than a tax
124:55
on the individual and the reason I say
124:57
that is because a corporation is a
125:00
business and it’s free to do business
125:03
however once it started with just a
125:04
bunch of people maybe a bunch of people
125:06
in a garage saying hey we’re gonna
125:07
create a business we’re gonna do
125:07
something we’re gonna trade a product
125:09
and a service for money but they went to
125:11
the government and they said oh
125:13
government wonderful government please
125:15
give us protection give us protection
125:18
against other companies that are gonna
125:20
compete with us create licensing laws
125:22
protect us from from liability so if
125:26
somebody Sue’s us we don’t have to pay
125:28
we already took our money out they can
125:29
just take the company but they can’t
125:31
touch us they’ve created these
125:34
corporations as a special protection
125:36
from government and it’s really more
125:38
like you’re buying something so yeah let
125:40
them pay they agreed to it in the first
125:43
place your cellphone bill is not a tax
125:45
because you went to the cellphone
125:47
company and said hey I want this service
125:49
here’s some money how much does is it
125:51
gonna cost me so why shouldn’t a
125:53
corporation have to pay taxes now I will
125:55
say this the government should not have
125:59
those powers for sale corporations
126:04
should not be able to buy this power in
126:05
the first place like there’ll be an
126:08
interesting thing to talk to them about
126:10
on the show dan bourbon supreme if I
126:14
have this correctly you have run for
126:16
political office not just in the
126:18
Libertarian Party but also the
126:20
Democratic Party and the Republican
126:21
Party are there any other parties that
126:24
you wish to confess to running for here
126:28
okay so the question is how are you any
126:31
different than lincoln Chafee well once
126:34
again of course I would any different
126:36
than lincoln Chafee every one of my
126:39
previous campaigns was simply not a real
126:41
campaign it was a parody campaign it was
126:43
a goof campaign when I ran a
126:45
and I was not a Republican when I ran as
126:47
a Democrat I was not a Democrat I’m
126:48
currently in rubbing running for the
126:50
Libertarian Party nomination and I am a
126:52
libertarian that is a very huge
126:54
difference right there I have a real
126:56
campaign with a real campaign staff we
126:59
are raising real campaign money taken
127:01
part in real debates I believe that I’m
127:03
very well-equipped to lead the
127:05
Libertarian Party into the land of 5%
127:07
into growing the party into using my
127:09
viral celebrity to really make an impact
127:12
in impart libertarian ideals out to
127:15
audiences that we’ve had a very hard
127:17
difficult time reaching through through
127:20
all various viral media’s that I’ve had
127:22
by hire harnessing the current groups of
127:25
kids I mean the kids in our amazing
127:27
demographic and I hope to harness them
127:30
thank you thank you Joe Jorgensen I
127:34
recommend everyone here go and look at
127:36
her speech at the 1996 Libertarian Party
127:38
convention it’s the weather kind of
127:42
structuring joke is about one 900 SEC’s
127:46
telephone numbers and also talking about
127:49
how hey you know we we should be
127:52
welcoming to Steve’s Steve Forbes
127:54
Republicans which is a way of saying
127:56
that was a long time ago what have you
128:00
been doing since 1996 for the cause of
128:02
freedom in the Libertarian Party
128:04
preparing for this campaign for one
128:06
thing indirectly I’ve so prepared is she
128:11
from the last 23 years of not doing
128:14
anything else that she didn’t answer any
128:20
questions at the convention right
128:31
so I I she’s prepared herself ma’am
128:35
I need second hi sorry were you gonna
128:38
say something no I’m good earned what
128:42
three college degrees and a graduate
128:44
certificate I’ve gotten my life in order
128:46
to where I can spend time on the road
128:49
and not worry about working five days a
128:52
week at home so I’ve got the time and
128:55
the money and the effort to be able to
128:56
put into it
128:59
ken Armstrong uh you commanded the kanae
129:03
Domitian a very elaborate career for
129:07
someone in a party where most people
129:09
want to dissolve nado are you really
129:11
ready to dissolve NATO or what do you
129:13
think NATO should what should be done
129:14
with the system of alliances that we
129:16
have right now well NATO’s a treaty and
129:18
and I believe in treaties and contracts
129:22
between willing participants I’m just
129:25
not sure that the American people really
129:27
know what they bought into with NATO and
129:30
yeah I honestly I think that we need to
129:34
back away from NATO the only reason I
129:36
believe we should stay in the United
129:38
Nations to tell you the truth is because
129:40
being a permanent member of the Security
129:42
Council we get that precious veto on the
129:45
Security Council and I don’t think we
129:48
want to give that up but these these
129:50
global organizations are not globalist
129:54
they’re corporatist and I think we need
129:56
to get as far away from them as we can
129:58
that’s a really good answer I like that
130:01
that was the best answer he’s given I
130:04
really like that now I would argue if
130:06
the u.s. left NATO it would become an a
130:08
toothless organization because it
130:10
receives the bulk of its funding and is
130:13
hosted by the u.s. I think it would
130:15
become a joke party and a joke
130:17
organization and a lot of smaller
130:19
countries that are only in it to benefit
130:22
from the largesse of the US government
130:24
would leave it I think of it I think
130:26
would fall apart but that wasn’t a bad
130:28
answer for that that was actually a good
130:32
answer very good we’ll go back to a
130:33
general round of questioning here
130:35
talking about the 2016 libertarian party
130:39
pres
130:40
attention experienced in any way shape
130:45
you want to put it what is a lesson
130:47
Kim rough you will start here what is a
130:50
lesson from 2016 that you think is
130:53
relevant to be thinking about as we
130:55
approach 2020 that we said fighting to
131:03
run the big takeaway in the lesson for
131:12
me at least one 2016 is that we should
131:15
not allow ourselves to be bullied we
131:18
should not be allow ourselves to be put
131:19
in a position where we’re effectively
131:21
told that if we don’t elect a certain
131:23
person or nominate a certain person to
131:25
represent us then we’re gonna have the
131:27
whole thing fall apart
131:28
we shouldn’t buy into lies because
131:30
that’s what we were fed and we should
131:32
stand up and have a fearless libertarian
131:35
as our standard bearer on the state and
131:38
local level I know how hard you guys
131:40
work most of us here know how hard you
131:42
guys work because we do the same thing
131:44
too we scramble every election cycle to
131:47
get ballot access to ensure our
131:49
candidates get representation
131:51
we’re shunned by mainstream media it’s
131:53
difficult to get the money and we sweat
131:55
blood and tears we do this every single
131:59
time and it’s important that our
132:01
presidential candidate represents us
132:03
fearlessly
132:04
because that is what builds our moment
132:06
and keeps us going Adam Koch Esch lesson
132:10
of 2016
132:23
this is more of the issue that part of
132:26
the technical issues that we were all
132:27
right all right now we’re live
132:29
all right so in 2016 we nominated
132:33
someone who was running in 2012 we gave
132:36
him the mantle of being the Libertarian
132:39
Party nominee for president and he could
132:43
have spent the time in between using
132:45
that to build the party and instead he
132:48
went and rode bicycles and climbed
132:49
mountains
132:50
good for him the biggest lesson I see
132:54
there is that if we’re gonna nominate
132:55
someone we got to recognize that what
132:57
we’re giving them is incredibly valuable
133:00
and it has to be someone who we can
133:02
trust with that who’s gonna use it to
133:04
maximum impact whose commitment to the
133:07
cause is unquestionable who’s been in it
133:09
for the long haul
133:10
who has the endurance who has the
133:12
commitment to the cause to take
133:14
advantage of that and the other thing in
133:17
2016 in in that race is that we need a
133:21
different message we need a fundamental
133:22
shift from playing their game making
133:25
this about politics it’s not freedom is
133:27
about love and ethics and unity and
133:29
basic moral principles that unite us as
133:32
a human family when we put that forward
133:35
that’s how we’re gonna win not by
133:37
playing their game ken Armstrong lessons
133:42
from the 2016 Libertarian Party race
133:45
well I’m going to jump back to the 1860
133:47
race you all remember that you were
133:49
there right you know the Republican
133:51
Party was six years old at the time and
133:53
they nominated a guy who’d held office
133:56
in Congress one term and lost his
133:59
reelection and been out of office for a
134:01
decade Abraham Lincoln and so they
134:05
didn’t pick a guy with a great
134:06
reputation great name recognition or any
134:08
of that sort of thing but when they
134:10
nominated him they got behind him they
134:14
put energy behind him and he swept them
134:17
into power and the biggest problem that
134:21
we have is that we’re a house of cats
134:23
all wanting to go do our own thing we
134:26
need to get behind who
134:28
ever this party nominates for the 2020
134:32
election Joe Jorgenson lessons from 2016
134:36
yes Gary Johnson was definitely a
134:39
libertarian he’s always acted as a
134:41
libertarian he was a libertarian in
134:44
office the one thing is though that
134:47
people join the Libertarian Party for
134:49
different reasons and Gary Johnson met
134:52
had mentioned at the 2016 convention to
134:56
a handful of libertarians that he had
134:58
never read a libertarian book that’s not
135:01
and the problem with that is one person
135:04
might come to the libertarian party for
135:06
a different reason than somebody else so
135:08
it’s not good enough to know why you
135:10
came to the party or what works for you
135:12
in fact when I ran for Congress in 1992
135:16
and I gave people my reasons why I
135:18
joined the party I was shocked that they
135:20
didn’t agree with me so over the past
135:22
few months I’ve reread losing ground by
135:24
charles murray free to choose by milton
135:26
friedman capitalism freedom by milton
135:28
friedman why government doesn’t work by
135:31
harry brown secrets of libertarian
135:33
persuasion by michael cloud and
135:34
libertarianism in one lesson by david
135:36
Bergland so that i can learn all the
135:38
reasons to persuade none of that was
135:41
libertarian philosophy
135:42
those are libertarian salesmanship books
135:44
and Milton Friedman is a chicago school
135:47
supplies a demand-side ER who believes
135:50
it like that’s not Milton Friedman so
136:00
this is she is from the Bosco a
136:04
conservative on social overall wing of
136:08
the libertarian party imagine that in
136:10
alternating uppercase lowercase letters
136:15
like that libertarianism isn’t a
136:19
philosophy based on self ownership it’s
136:22
weird the son lost money I don’t really
136:27
care if the game people marry which we
136:31
also agree with that but there’s a
136:33
philosophy behind it and you are going
136:35
to be befuddled when we think stuff that
136:38
you don’t cuz you’re still a damn
136:39
conservative
136:45
and at least Gary Johnson of the history
136:48
of as being a successful governor what
136:50
is your appeal yeah she has absolutely
136:57
nothing going for her she’s had two
137:00
failed campaigns and that’s it and the
137:06
last one was 23 years ago there are two
137:09
kinds of libertarians that get nominated
137:12
to stuff ones that have been that may
137:14
not be all that libertarian but they
137:17
have a successful history of winning big
137:19
elections and that’s the appeal to the
137:22
Amash is the the the Massey’s the Paul’s
137:25
the the Johnson’s the chaffee’s the
137:28
whatever welds whatever and then they’re
137:32
the ones that are you know strictly you
137:35
know Orthodox down the road
137:37
philosophical libertarians she’s neither
137:43
she is neither she is neither and she’s
137:46
stiff and uncomfortable and if you look
137:49
at if you go to our page and share every
137:54
post we have on it but if you go to our
137:56
page and and look for the the video of
138:00
her flubbing Sarah daggers question she
138:05
asked this thing where and I have MS so
138:07
I’m not judging someone having physical
138:09
issues at all but when she would turn to
138:12
people like to look at him she have to
138:14
turn her whole body because she’s like
138:16
really stiff and uncomfortable you’re
138:17
about to mount a presidential campaign
138:21
and are like having difficulty you know
138:26
physical with physical stuff and again
138:28
I’m not criticizing that if someone has
138:30
that problem but you have to have the
138:32
energy for a presidential campaign
138:33
you’re not you’re taking this ever less
138:36
seriously than Vermin is permanent least
138:38
has answers to all the questions and
138:40
he’s running as a joke candidate or a
138:43
you know we’re voting for a joke because
138:45
we don’t we don’t take this whole
138:47
process seriously
138:48
candidate anyway let me hear the rest
138:53
one Wade everybody to join Rico
138:55
card lists of the reason they want to
138:57
join and want liberty and freedom
138:59
Berman’s supreme lesson you have to know
139:02
what liberty and freedom are or else
139:05
you’re just doing warmed-over republican
139:07
stuff
139:07
it’s from 2016 I learned that the
139:12
respectability politics are dead and
139:15
there no matter what suit you put up the
139:17
mainstream media will completely ignore
139:19
that and I believe that it’s time to try
139:21
something radically different I’m just
139:24
saying I believe it’s time to put
139:25
something forward that that they can’t
139:27
possibly ignore something that they’re
139:28
gonna have a hard time to wrap their
139:30
head around I think we’re talking about
139:33
putting up a performance artist a clown
139:36
a character and saying this is what
139:38
we’ve believed about your ridiculous
139:40
system we believe about the the
139:42
mandatory tooth brushing law nanny state
139:44
we believe that the free Ponies
139:46
giveaways and other such magical things
139:48
and the opportunity to allow something
139:50
so different that it cannot be ignored
139:53
that it will sweep the nation that it
139:55
will become a tsunami of excitement
139:57
amongst the younger generation this is
140:01
what I learned I learned that that what
140:04
we’re doing up to that point up to this
140:07
point just a suit ain’t gonna make it
140:10
dan taxation is theft berman lessons
140:14
from 2016 i think the most important
140:17
message is go bold or go home we have to
140:20
be big and loud and out there with this
140:23
message and that’s one of the reasons i
140:24
wear the big yellow hat and it works
140:26
really well and with this message before
140:30
we have we’ve we’ve had with past
140:33
candidates trying to explain what a
140:35
libertarian is meanwhile the democrats
140:37
and republicans are out there saying
140:38
this is what we’re going to give you
140:40
we’re the odd man out why even consider
140:42
us they’re not giving us anything you
140:44
can’t tell them we’re gonna give you
140:45
freedom cuz all they want is free stuff
140:47
but with our campaign we’ve been working
140:50
on our messaging and we’ve been able to
140:52
get lots of Democrats hardcore Bernie
140:54
Sanders supporters and Republicans X
140:57
Trump supporters to support our campaign
140:59
they’re not full libertarians yet but
141:01
they’re on their way because they get it
141:03
because we’ve been able to tell them
141:04
this is what we’re gonna do for you that
141:06
gets you out of this fear mindset that
141:08
the other part
141:09
parties and politicians are putting you
141:11
in to control you and they get it in
141:14
just two minutes one of my supporters a
141:17
14 year old kid convinced a conservative
141:20
that we should legalize heroin that’s
141:24
how what that’s what you can do with
141:26
messaging it’s amazing
141:27
did you see how how Matt Welch responded
141:31
in this lake the Meuse laughter the
141:34
shock laughter that that’s even an idea
141:36
this is like what certain elements
141:40
within the libertarian party are doing
141:41
it’s like legalize heroin oh my lord
141:45
well what does end the drug war mean to
141:48
you man like what you know it just meant
141:52
we do you is what it meant right and
141:58
there so many times libertarians are
142:02
called Republicans who want to smoke pot
142:04
yeah and I’ve had people on the writer’s
142:10
block before when I started talking to
142:12
him about legalization they were like
142:14
well what do you mean by legalization
142:16
I’m like I mean all drugs like I should
142:18
be able to go to 7-eleven and buy
142:20
cocaine right um and they’re like oh I
142:23
don’t know if I’m ok with that and then
142:25
they try to explain why but that’s not
142:29
libertarianism that’s not the steps that
142:32
you are going for if you want personal
142:34
freedom if you want individual freedom
142:36
you have to have total individual
142:39
freedom and that is where a lot of
142:42
people end up slipping up when they’re
142:46
trying to become libertarians that is
142:48
where a lot of and I will forgive people
142:50
we weren’t always libertarians I’ve met
142:53
very few people that have always been
142:54
libertarian I certainly was not I did
142:59
never try to run for major office as a
143:02
libertarian or present myself as a you
143:05
know an expert in libertarianism and try
143:09
to you know brow be others for you know
143:11
not accepting my you know rise to try to
143:14
win the white house and I wouldn’t now
143:18
and the reality is that I’m not going to
143:22
try to play the perfect
143:23
Batarian game but I’m the perfect
143:25
libertarian and I’m still not asking
143:32
anyone to vote for me to have the the
143:35
presumption to get up there and say yeah
143:36
vote for me but also I mean I’m kind of
143:40
you know I mean I’m sort of I’m sort of
143:42
libertarian of libertarianism to me
143:44
means something that I don’t really want
143:46
to answer because the voters don’t that
143:48
whatever you dan we’ll go to another
143:52
round here this one’s gonna be started
143:54
by Joe Jorgenson so we’re just talking
143:58
about the Johnson well a campaign or at
144:00
least referring to it they raised what
144:03
twelve million dollars got four to
144:05
twelve points ooh not that anyone’s
144:07
counting I’ve got almost four and a half
144:10
million votes the libertarian party
144:12
there’s going to be a thousand people
144:13
deciding the nomination there are
144:16
something like fifteen thousand
144:17
sustaining or regular of members giving
144:19
money you’re going to have to appeal to
144:22
people outside of the party and you’re
144:24
gonna have to raise money so it’s
144:25
specifically on the money part
144:27
do you anticipate being able to raise 12
144:31
million 12.2 million dollars and if so
144:34
how
144:35
well you spoiled my thunder there since
144:38
I had the numbers but yes if we look at
144:40
the votes basically the more money we
144:42
raise the more votes we get Bob Barr
144:44
raised 1.4 million dollars and we got
144:48
500,000 votes so the challenge for
144:50
everybody up here on stage each of us is
144:53
to be able to raise enough money now
144:55
Gary Johnson had only raised 1 million
144:58
diesei only but close to 1 million
145:00
dollars by the convention and my
145:03
campaign organizer has raised 14 million
145:06
dollars in his lifetime for libertarian
145:08
causes and he feels very confident that
145:10
he can get to the 1 million dollar mark
145:12
and perhaps even surpass Gary by the way
145:15
so we didn’t go ahead what’s she saying
145:17
right now is that by the time of the
145:20
convention Gary Johnson has raised what
145:21
had raised 1 million dollars she isn’t
145:24
saying that she’s raised 1 million
145:25
dollars she isn’t saying that she raised
145:27
14 million dollars she’s saying that the
145:29
man who is working for her campaign has
145:32
raised 14 million dollars total for all
145:35
of
145:37
the candidates and all of the
145:38
organizations he has worked for yeah any
145:41
campaign he’s ever worked on which means
145:42
he’s a Republican and and has been
145:45
working on Republican campaigns at two
145:48
whatever capacity and and and those
145:50
campaigns have raised 14 million dollars
145:53
any one said she said libertarian
145:55
organizations too so he could be working
145:57
for different organizations right but
145:59
she called Mark Sanford a libertarian so
146:01
what what is the criterion or right
146:04
freaking you know Heritage Foundation
146:06
for all we know she and she’ll know over
146:08
what time period this he raised these
146:12
fourteen million dollars if that’s
146:13
dating back to 1986 that’s not that
146:16
impressive right right and it’s also I
146:18
mean again if you if you can even find
146:20
her website you tell me that she’s gonna
146:24
raise 14 anything’s on that anyway
146:28
Johnson’s first time out between now and
146:31
the convention Furman supreme aside from
146:34
getting me to pay for the tie of yours
146:37
that I stole how do you plan it
146:40
how do you plan how do you how do you
146:45
plan do you plan on getting to 12
146:47
million in it so how well that’s a
146:49
pretty inconceivable amount of money
146:51
it’s a whole lot of money it’s it’s
146:52
money I can’t even begin to imagine so I
146:54
would say yes sure of course I’m gonna
146:56
we’re gonna get fund raisers and we’re
146:58
gonna crowdsource it and we’re gonna get
147:00
like 12 million people to send me a
147:02
dollar so that’s that’s gonna happen
147:04
that that’s a no-brainer we’re gonna
147:06
make that quick so yeah definitely I’m
147:10
gonna spend it too and we’re gonna get a
147:14
bigger bang for the buck because I’m
147:15
gonna get a lot of free media a lot of
147:17
love thousands and millions of dollars
147:18
worth of free meat is gonna be happening
147:19
and we’re
147:21
mean and lean campaign and we’re not
147:23
gonna need the kind of like consultants
147:26
and specialists and some of these other
147:28
ridiculous things and a lot of these
147:30
campaigns are pissing away millions of
147:32
dollars on in the presidential real
147:34
world I mean yeah will price out polls
147:36
will see what we have to do but we’re
147:37
gonna run a mean lean campaign we’re
147:40
gonna hit the ground running we’re gonna
147:41
have a once you receive the nomination
147:43
we all have exactly six months to ramp
147:45
it up through the roof and I and my team
147:48
are getting ready to do just that Dan
147:53
taxation is theft Berman can we just
147:56
print it so there’s a lot of interesting
148:06
story around this and you know we have
148:09
to look at a lot we have to look at you
148:11
know what was the environment in 2016 we
148:13
had plenty of libertarians who were in
148:15
the party who were convinced that we
148:18
were gonna win just because we had the
148:21
one candidate that everybody didn’t hate
148:23
and this is this is a huge motivating
148:26
factor but it’s only going to get us so
148:29
far and I think one thing that we need
148:31
to do is we need to show that our
148:33
message actually works and how people
148:36
are responding to it and how it’s
148:38
actually changing things and that is
148:40
gonna get what’s that’s what’s gonna get
148:42
people to open up and give us more money
148:44
and see what’s happening and we can do a
148:46
lot more with volunteers than we can
148:48
with money because we already know how
148:50
the mainstream media is gonna treat us
148:52
present company excluded
148:55
as am i mainstream I don’t know it’s
148:58
unclear so yeah I think I think it is
149:03
realistic to raise that amount of money
149:05
but we need to do things a little bit
149:07
differently and we need to try new
149:08
things that haven’t been done before
149:10
Adam Koch cash as the leader preliminary
149:13
in the fundraising race on this stage
149:15
can you get to 12 million yeah he’s that
149:24
raised money for Mike we get here all
149:26
right I think using the benchmark from
149:28
last year should be seen as a launchpad
149:30
not a target you know we should be
149:32
seeking to get way above and beyond that
149:35
and with our campaign it’s it’s it’s
149:38
almost sad to say we’ve raised just over
149:40
$200,000 I’ve put about a hundred and
149:42
forty of that in myself and about sixty
149:44
from individual donors and until
149:46
recently that was ten times the rest of
149:48
the libertarian field and that doesn’t
149:51
make any of us competitive with the
149:53
mainstream I closed deals I make sales
149:56
we need to make this happen so I’m gonna
149:58
ask everybody here because I’m not
149:59
afraid to ask for help we need money
150:02
give to one of these campaigns at the
150:04
end of this debate decide who you want
150:05
to support give to at least one of us
150:07
and if you can’t help us sign up as a
150:09
volunteer be a part of this I know with
150:12
this message from what I’ve seen that we
150:14
can do this with everybody in America we
150:16
can bring people and we can raise money
150:18
from demographics that the Libertarian
150:20
Party has never touched before
150:21
because localization is the everybody
150:24
gets what they want strategy and more
150:26
than anything else on the campaign trail
150:27
what I hear and this is so important to
150:30
reach the traditional non voters the 40%
150:32
you don’t even vote in in presidential
150:34
elections what I hear more than anything
150:36
else is I don’t normally vote but I come
150:40
out and vote for that Ken Armstrong yeah
150:46
absolutely and I’ve spent the last six
150:48
months out on the road finding out a lot
150:51
of things about the American people and
150:54
and one of the things that that Don and
150:56
I have discovered is how tired they are
150:58
of this horrible game of dog-eat-dog
151:03
that’s going on I think we we need to
151:06
articulate ourselves well but I do
151:10
believe that that the money follows the
151:13
message not the other way around
151:15
and I think if we can get really smart
151:18
in in how we propagate that message out
151:22
to the public that you know we do need
151:25
to use fundraising professionals we do
151:28
need to have the kind of events that
151:30
that raise money but we need to get very
151:33
very smart on how we get that message
151:36
out as a party when we have a nominee to
151:40
carry the banner you and Kim ruff 12
151:45
point two million dollars
151:46
can you get there
151:48
well I’m actually very much the same –
151:50
vermin with respect to that I mean first
151:52
of all I can’t accurately predict what
151:54
I’m gonna get and I’m not gonna say I’m
151:56
going to get 12 point whatever million
151:58
dollars but if you do have one person 12
152:02
million people give you a dollar that
152:04
ultimately and that’s up mostly what I
152:07
want to focus on here is what we’ve done
152:09
thus far on a shoestring budget and how
152:12
much we can achieve because I don’t buy
152:14
the argument that 12-point million
152:16
dollars is going to yield a stupid
152:18
amount of votes because you forget all
152:20
the other factors that went into 2016 or
152:22
2012 or any other year money is part of
152:25
it but it’s not the sum total of its
152:27
parts it also comes down to candidates
152:29
and the infrastructure that they’ve
152:31
built we have a team right now that
152:34
consists of well over 200 people we have
152:37
individual stacked at the state level
152:39
who have their own teams that they
152:40
manage and every single person from me
152:42
down it does this gratis not a single
152:46
person here is getting a dime we do it
152:48
because we care and we’re able to
152:50
achieve because of our sheer force of
152:53
will so I don’t think money is
152:54
necessarily the issue but it will follow
152:56
very good I think what we’ll do here is
153:00
have one last round of questioning and
153:03
in order to get rid of the awful
153:04
bottleneck that is me allow the
153:07
candidates to question one another if
153:09
they so choose and then after that we’ll
153:12
go to closing statements so I’m so
153:15
before we get to that I’m gonna it’s a
153:17
good time to throw in one more red
153:20
carpet interview this one was actually a
153:22
surprise endorsement double endorsement
153:24
by Ryan Teeter the inner Co gun guy
153:27
right here
153:39
I’m wearing myself I need no one else
153:41
how in these shoes are absolutely these
153:46
are the Joshua Smith Josh Barry again as
154:00
much as I hate it
154:01
this isn’t it doors before Joshua Smith
154:03
shoes they are wonderful get your ear
154:06
Joshy Brian we have some great news
154:12
that is pregnant they are my first
154:14
endorsements ever I do not involve
154:16
myself a national politics but after
154:18
hearing the debates today I am very
154:20
hopeful endorsing not one but two
154:22
candidates that would be kimra and
154:28
vermin supreme for two completely
154:30
different reasons permit supreme is
154:32
correct he made some excellent which day
154:35
in that his booth his magic booth gives
154:38
him a unique ability to outreach to a
154:41
younger generation people want to see
154:44
bourbon supreme with his magic food and
154:46
He will bring the votes from people
154:48
currently in high school and college
154:49
around the country the other
154:51
endorsements in rough is a solid
154:54
candidate willing to pass the spotlight
154:56
on two candidates running for state and
154:58
local offices which is something we
155:00
sorely need in the lecture and community
155:02
very good now and so it comes down to
155:12
that what you have to perform to fight
155:16
honestly what I would love to see
155:18
somebody brought this up earlier today
155:19
as much as I love John Phillips I would
155:22
love to see a rock supreme card ruff for
155:26
president affirmative improvised
155:28
president perfect Liberty card Kimbrough
155:32
to get the to pass the spotlight again
155:35
should have been solid minute opposed
155:37
and vermin supreme bringing his years of
155:40
gaming attention from other parties look
155:44
berman supreme to somebody when I can
155:46
talk to people who do not know what
155:47
libertarians are and I bring up urban
155:49
supreme and they have CD Utley knows who
155:51
I’m talking P is someone spotlight who
155:55
has a much broader he has a much broader
155:58
range of attention than libertarian is
156:00
on general he is the perfect person to
156:03
run as a vice president Cannon and bring
156:05
attention to a campaign and that’s why I
156:07
think this Kim rough and permissive a
156:10
would be the perfect
156:11
hear me out is there any kids kind of
156:34
gigantic so I would have to say Kim
156:36
she’s significantly larger than me she’s
156:38
like four inches taller than me she’s a
156:40
she yeah she’s massive stop saying any
156:42
Kim versus kim weaken I think we can
156:51
make somebody up that we should sell
156:53
tickets to that week I would pay to see
156:55
that right you the Anakim gun guy with
156:59
our red carpet interview
157:01
shout out to me for spending hours
157:06
trying to figure out what was being said
157:08
in these videos so when you said who are
157:12
they
157:12
it sound like you said who day and then
157:15
I immediately was thinking that you’re
157:18
making a reference to the Cincinnati
157:19
Bengals when I first heard the I was
157:21
definitely not because I still have no
157:23
idea what you’re talking about right
157:25
yeah and then I was like how would he
157:27
even know what that means
157:28
yeah also ruff supreme sounds like
157:30
something you would order a BDSM Club I
157:34
tried at least once or like an edgy Taco
157:38
Bell the Roth supreme the Ruff supriya
157:42
you’re gonna be on the toilet all week
157:46
yeah that was an interesting take that
157:48
he had also on I kind of wanted to see
157:53
if um Ken would fight Kim on the carpet
157:57
but he had already left so unfortunately
158:02
we didn’t find that out shout out to Tom
158:05
Arnold for his mating call they are
158:07
partway through that he made um and yeah
158:11
so let’s let’s finish off this this
158:15
debate when you throw it open to the
158:16
field starting with vermin supreme you
158:19
can ask any one of your fellow
158:20
candidates or maybe someone in the
158:22
audience or me your camera or the flag a
158:24
question and they will have 30 seconds
158:27
to respond to any question field is
158:29
yours you only got one sorry that’s it I
158:53
loved it he tried to get Joe to answer
158:55
it next I loved it she brought possibly
158:58
might have known what it was though but
159:00
she may have I mean she’s been in the
159:02
party for a while so she might she might
159:03
know that was actually a stroke of
159:06
genius your can you have a question you
159:11
know I’m not gonna hit back Adam please
159:17
tell me what legal basis you would use
159:23
for dissolving the government and for
159:27
establishing the guardians of the
159:28
government will do this one again I’m so
159:38
glad you asked Ken because a lot of
159:40
times I get asked the question is your
159:42
form constitutional and the answer is
159:45
heck no it’s not constitutional that’s
159:48
kind of the point we are appealing to
159:51
the higher authority known as the
159:53
Declaration of Independence which says
159:56
we have not only a right but a duty to
159:59
alter and abolish systems of government
160:03
that no longer serve us he could take a
160:17
bit more time all right
160:18
central to his ok but hurry various
160:23
people have thrown up various legal
160:24
challenges to this platform but the
160:27
reason we’re doing it this way turning
160:29
the presidential election into a
160:30
referendum on whether or not the federal
160:32
government should exist should be
160:34
allowed to continue to exist is that
160:36
when the American people decisively say
160:39
we’re going to put our foot down we’re
160:41
not going to put up with this crap
160:42
anymore nobody on a suit in Washington D
160:45
is going to stand in our way
160:46
and if you say that I can’t do this what
160:48
you’re really saying is that the
160:49
American people can’t do this and I
160:51
disagree
160:53
Kim ruff ask a question and we can do 60
160:56
seconds on the answers instead of 30
160:59
okay my question is actually for Berman
161:02
but it’s not intended to be combative at
161:04
all it’s really more just to give you a
161:05
springboard to talk about it so I told
161:07
you that I’d listen to that podcast
161:09
cults that had talked about the Church
161:10
of euthanasia and they were talking
161:12
about the whole experience with Kris
161:13
kurta and how it found it and to be
161:15
clear the Church of euthanasia was not a
161:17
cult
161:18
okay it happened to be on this podcast
161:19
but I want to make sure that’s clear one
161:21
of the things that happened was when you
161:23
guys went on Jerry Springer it was like
161:24
you Kris kurta and another founding
161:27
member you guys were a little bit
161:29
disparate and how you presented the
161:31
point and purpose of it I’m a point in
161:34
purpose but I was just wondering since
161:36
one of the things we struggle with as
161:37
libertarians is presenting a unified
161:39
message how how are we going to as a
161:42
team all be able to combat that ensure
161:45
that we do present a unified message and
161:47
how are you part of that solution thank
161:50
you for that
161:51
question the CEO II was of course an ad
161:54
German Sark group that I was involved
161:56
with in the in 1997 long before I’d
162:00
consider Deniz by the guy by the way
162:01
guys when you stop watching this Google
162:06
Church of euthanasia Jerry Springer you
162:11
have to do full and you find it on Vimeo
162:14
it’s an hour long with advertisements we
162:19
watched it in its entirety rights will
162:25
be held hands and Washington we cut a
162:29
little and watch it was cute it was like
162:31
you know you put your hand you put your
162:33
head on their shoulder and watch the TV
162:34
together no it was it’s definitely worth
162:38
the roughly 40 minutes it’ll take to
162:40
watch it because it’s an hour but
162:41
there’s commercials definitely watch it
162:43
yeah definitely watch it sort of a real
162:46
campaign yeah it was pretty outrageous
162:48
it was pretty over-the-top and it was
162:50
definitely all about shock in your face
162:52
and the imagery was was really
162:54
frightening that being said how can we
162:58
as Liberty libertarians present a united
163:00
front
163:01
I suppose that’s fairly difficult given
163:04
the the vast amount of personalities
163:06
involved but other than sticking to the
163:09
talking points and and focusing on the
163:12
libertarian party platform which is a
163:14
thing that I have pledged to do in my
163:15
campaign because that is indeed the
163:18
heart and soul of the Libertarian Party
163:19
what is the party but the some of its
163:21
platform so I think as long as we can
163:25
all stay on topic and make that the
163:27
topic of conversation make sure that’s
163:29
where at then we will appear us unified
163:32
as we can be under the circumstances
163:35
given all the the very varieties of
163:37
libertarians there are thank you firm
163:40
and Adam Co cash question for any of
163:42
your
163:51
sex work is work and interfering with
163:56
consensual relationships between adults
163:59
is criminal the libertarian position
164:02
here on respect for freedom and freedom
164:04
of association is very clear Joe you’re
164:07
asked this question earlier today in
164:09
sidestepped it and I certainly
164:11
appreciate your angle on messaging but
164:14
shouldn’t we have someone who can
164:15
represent the message of freedom
164:17
unabashedly directly and answer a
164:20
straightforward question like that
164:24
someone needed to someone needed to and
164:29
I must admit when somebody asked me the
164:31
question I should have gotten more
164:33
information because I actually didn’t
164:34
see that CNN thing with Gary John it
164:37
shouldn’t matter
164:38
it’s a DM question it had nothing to do
164:41
with Gary answer the damn question now
164:44
watch her not answer that well I don’t
164:46
wanna give it a listen and I might have
164:47
made an incorrect assumption I don’t
164:49
know because I didn’t see it here’s the
164:51
point I was trying to make whenever I
164:53
see a debate or questions being asked
164:56
from the news media it’s usually okay
164:59
mr. Democratic candidate what do you
165:01
think about foreign policy what should
165:03
we do with free trade and then they ask
165:05
the Republican tell me what about the
165:07
military overseas when should we bring
165:09
them back what about the budget deficits
165:11
and then the libertarian what about sex
165:13
work and what my point was is that we
165:17
need to be treated with the same respect
165:19
as Democrats and Republicans now if
165:22
they’re asking Democrats and Republicans
165:24
the same question absolutely but my
165:26
answer would be and I would like to use
165:28
ad Clarke’s the way ed Clark answered a
165:31
question like that and I wasn’t clear on
165:34
this is if somebody asked ed Clark well
165:37
what do you think about this and it was
165:38
a question that nobody but a libertarian
165:40
would answer for instance well he would
165:43
say for instance yes I agree with that
165:44
but this is what the voters are
165:47
suggesting so my answer would be my
165:50
answer would be yes I would I would
165:53
immediately first day my answer to the
165:57
question is my first day in office I
165:59
would release everybody from prison
166:01
who’s in there
166:02
for a non-violent sex act and now let’s
166:05
talk about what the voters are asking me
166:08
and put out a statement of seriousness
166:12
as a Democrat and Republican candidate
166:14
Joe jour
166:19
that’s like I mean you had all day she
166:24
had like four hours to come up with more
166:29
five like five hours
166:30
yeah it was like five hours five with
166:32
the five or six hours wants her knowing
166:35
that someone was gonna hit her with that
166:37
yeah you had to know so Dave Jones of
166:39
the vermin supreme campaign like he said
166:42
that night he said she had to know that
166:44
everyone was gonna want to ask about
166:46
that and your response was that and she
166:54
keeps quoting libertarian people that no
166:57
one has ever heard of yeah I just had to
167:00
google that guy and I still don’t know
167:02
if I found the right one
167:04
it’s beyond tone-deaf we’re gonna some
167:09
keep that mic ask a question of someone
167:11
here sure I can
167:14
we’re all libertarians here running for
167:16
office and I would just like to know
167:18
please define what is a libertarian
167:23
here’s a softball question I’m not sure
167:26
why she did that maybe she wants Kendall
167:27
with a libertarian is a person who
167:30
believes that they have more right than
167:33
anyone else to determine the course of
167:36
their lives a libertarian is a person
167:38
who believes that the less government we
167:41
have to interfere with our lives the
167:43
better off we are
167:48
to be honest she did a lot better that
167:50
than I do when people do that to me um
167:52
dan taxation doesn’t surprise me anyone
167:57
need an editor-in-chief that Berman that
167:59
let’s finish this round to ask a
168:01
question to any of your co runners for
168:04
president
168:04
there’s only one question on my mind and
168:06
so I I know most of the candidates
168:08
answer so I have to ask let’s go with
168:11
Ken is taxation theft and what would you
168:14
do about the income tax and the IRS okay
168:19
this is a thorny one but i’m where i’m
168:21
wearing my my porcupine today so i can
168:23
do that go ahead was i said this is a
168:32
funny one but I’m wearing my porcupine
168:33
today as opposed to what is NATO command
168:41
hat I don’t know Asian is not theft by
168:48
by legal definition by moral definition
168:51
absolutely itself and even more
168:54
important than that the income tax
168:56
itself is stupid it’s a regressive
168:59
penalty for productivity the worst way
169:02
to grow an economy is to penalize the
169:04
people for productivity so if we’re
169:07
going to have any kind of tax at all it
169:09
should be a voluntary tax based on
169:11
consumption not on an involuntary tax
169:15
based on productivity all right thus
169:18
ends the question period of the debate
169:21
we’re going to go to closing statements
169:23
which the candidates have 90 seconds as
169:26
they did and we will go in the reverse
169:28
order that we did the opening so from
169:30
Ken Armstrong on down it has been my
169:34
pleasure for the last six months and I
169:36
will say that a lot of times pleasure
169:38
comes with quite a bit of pain but it
169:41
has been my pleasure for the last six
169:43
months to travel 40 states so far around
169:48
the country and to get to know American
169:52
people in a way that I never had before
169:55
and and really I mean met with day
169:59
throw at the independent Institute in
170:01
California had dinner with Larry sharp
170:04
in New York and and those were wonderful
170:06
experiences but even more important than
170:08
that were were the ordinary everyday
170:11
Americans the homeless people the the
170:14
the waitresses the the the hotel staff
170:17
the the people that we met on the street
170:20
and and just finding out how honestly
170:24
you know we say something all of the
170:26
time but Don and I have been discovering
170:28
that this is absolutely true if people
170:32
know what we’re about they discover that
170:35
they’ve always been libertarians it took
170:38
me until almost 25 years ago to discover
170:41
that I was a libertarian and it when
170:44
when we explained what we’re really
170:46
about people get it and as I travel
170:50
around the country to have that
170:51
conversation with people you can permit
170:55
supreme thank you my boot is a boot it’s
170:59
a magic boot it stands for all is good
171:01
in America and the rights that the
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Libertarian Party stands for the ability
171:05
to wear a boot on your head if you still
171:07
want to because it harms no one at all
171:11
3.9 million high school students
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graduate any given year give me two of
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those years that’s eight million kids
171:16
and add that to the 17 million college
171:18
students in college in a given year
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that’s a pool of 25 million people give
171:23
me one out of four if those voters that
171:25
will equal your 5% right there that that
171:28
Mouse does not include the millions and
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millions of disenfranchised
171:31
disillusioned disgusted individuals who
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could be voting but aren’t voting I
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think we could give them a very
171:37
clear-cut choice putting up a man with a
171:40
boot on his head will certainly show and
171:42
demonstrate the contempt that is worthy
171:44
of the duopoly and their presidential
171:46
sherrod the opportunities are limitless
171:51
this may in Austin the Libertarian Party
171:54
will be giving a very very clear choice
171:58
they will obtuse of two time streams
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there will be one time stream available
172:05
that the lp can choose where vermut
172:08
supreme is the nominee and we take back
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America from whoever has it
172:13
whenever we take it back from them so we
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got to preview his his speeches at the
172:19
Airbnb and just loving it just doubling
172:23
over on his on his speeches my magic
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boot a magic boot we’re gonna take
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America back from whoever took it from
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us or something else the choice will be
172:36
yours choose wisely
172:39
together we will ride our ponies into a
172:43
zombie powered future thank you
172:48
Joe Jorgenson closing remarks as the
172:52
presidential nominee I will double the
172:55
size of the Libertarian Party membership
172:57
how do you know I can do that because I
173:00
did it before with Harry Brown in 1990
173:03
cerebrum doubled the National Party size
173:06
from 10,000 members to over twenty-two
173:09
thousand eight hundred but we didn’t do
173:12
it alone we did it by teaming up with
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the National leadership we teamed up
173:17
with national chair Steve das Bach in
173:19
fact Steve’s here can you say hi we
173:22
teamed up with Bill winter communication
173:25
director Perry Willis educate Perry
173:28
Willis and last but not least we paired
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up with Michael cloud the fundraiser for
173:35
Harry Brown can you say hello
173:38
so as the presidential nominee what I
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would do is I would work with a
173:43
libertarian party closely to make sure
173:46
that everybody we came in contact would
173:48
be sent to the National Libertarian
173:50
Party and double the size of the
173:52
Libertarian Party big government is the
173:55
problem
173:55
small government is a solution no vote
173:58
dr. Joe Jorgensen the smoke no
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government is the government candidate
174:04
Adam Koch ash all right we got one all
174:13
right let’s do this
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are you fed up with the two-party system
174:19
can we do better than this America
174:23
are you ready to live up to the ideals
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of the American Revolution
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government keeps us divided fighting
174:31
over power in a centralized system
174:34
driven by hate I’m fed up with cadet
174:38
bone spurs our narcissist in chief but
174:42
the culture of hate politics goes well
174:45
beyond Orange Julius
174:48
yes Trump you are driven by so much
174:51
status hatred and this is the LEvolution
174:57
just as light drives out dark and love
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drives out hate you will lose and love
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will win America we are too good for
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this government we don’t have to be
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forced into one system to be united in
175:15
American values localization is the cure
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for polarization with voluntary
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community level government you can live
175:24
in harmony with systems that represent
175:26
your values and meet your needs with
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localization we unite every single
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American around that which makes up
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America a revolution with every
175:38
generation to get better microphones yes
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all right I’ll be done in a few seconds
175:51
[Laughter]
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he took this well we are called upon now
175:57
by fate and fortune to have the best
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revolution ever a revolution of love and
176:06
peace and freedom a way of Harmony this
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is the revolution you’ve been waiting
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for thank you very much
176:20
dan taxation is theft vermin so first I
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want to apologize I hope I didn’t insult
176:26
you by saying mainstream it’s a pretty
176:28
legitimate organization I’m old so one
176:34
thing that I think is really important
176:37
to recognize is the government that we
176:39
have as big as it is as much as
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everybody hates it especially when their
176:46
party’s not in charge that government is
176:48
a government that we have that people
176:51
wanted you have one party who says oh
176:54
yeah I want the government to get bigger
176:55
as long as my guys in charge and then a
176:57
few years later everybody else says well
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those people did all those things to me
177:02
we need my guy in charge to make the
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government even bigger to reverse all
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the damage that was done yeah the only
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way we’re gonna get off of this
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trainwreck is if we change that
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conversation and change that direction
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and it doesn’t come from pointing out
177:19
all the flaws in the system and saying
177:21
this is bad and those guys are bad and
177:24
those guys are bad it comes from us
177:26
being able to explain the benefits how
177:30
much better your life is going to be
177:32
without maybe just this one government
177:35
organization or this government
177:37
organization and something we have to
177:39
realize about the candidates that we
177:41
have up on this stage everybody’s
177:43
different government tries to be one
177:45
size fits all every single one of us
177:48
appeals to a different audience we’re
177:51
bringing people together with this
177:52
message that less government is better
177:54
and we’re working together to make that
177:57
happen but in order to win the first
178:01
thing that has to change is the minds of
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the people and kim ruff take us home
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well just to reiterate in case it hasn’t
178:11
been come abundantly clear my name is
178:13
kim ruff and that is indeed my
178:15
legitimate last name it’s true i a
178:17
normally hesitant to talk about personal
178:20
things but I feel it’s incumbent upon me
178:22
to tell you this the prime mover for me
178:24
doing this is because I am a parent I
178:26
have two children a son who’s five and a
178:28
daughter who’s seven and because I have
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children
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and I think about the world that they’re
178:33
going to inherit I’m terrified I am
178:36
terrified and I think a lot of people
178:38
feel that way every single one of us is
178:40
here not just because we see logically
178:43
how illogical or antithetical to our
178:45
belief system government is we see the
178:48
direct impact it has on every single
178:50
person in our lives we have family
178:52
members we care deeply about who are
178:54
serving time in prison simply because
178:57
they had the temerity to have marijuana
178:59
you have people who are incapable of
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advancing economically or starting a
179:03
small business because of the huge
179:05
burden government puts on them we are
179:07
always we are in a situation as
179:09
Americans where we are shackled by the
179:11
very thing that we enacted supposedly to
179:14
protect and serve us and it’s incumbent
179:17
upon every single one of us to stand up
179:19
and fight back we need all hands on deck
179:24
that’s why it’s something that I’ve
179:26
talked about multiple times is that our
179:27
campaign is a volunteer organization
179:29
made up of hundreds of a veritable who’s
179:32
who of awesome activists who’ve been in
179:34
this movement right next to you this
179:36
whole time every single one of us has to
179:40
pick up a shovel and dig there’s myriad
179:42
ways we can attack the Leviathan of the
179:44
state but we need to push back otherwise
179:46
our children will inherit a mess that we
179:49
cannot fix for them thank you Jim
179:53
let’s give a round of applause to all
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six candidates here tonight thank you
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the South Carolina libertarian party for
180:03
inviting everyone died here including
180:05
myself and this is so guys if you’re if
180:16
you want to sound off on who you thought
180:18
one Matt do you want to give your
180:20
thoughts on who won before before we
180:24
before we give the results of the straw
180:27
poll of the people that were there so I
180:31
don’t Adam gave great answers but he
180:36
didn’t do the best performance but I
180:37
can’t knock him on his performance
180:38
because his mic kept going out to bright
180:42
Dan did great Berman
180:45
great Kim was and my mind Kim won that
180:53
yeah in my mind Kim had the most solid
180:57
answers Kim had the most solid answers
181:00
and she appeared to be pretty
181:02
unflappable however its heart like Adam
181:09
probably would have given a much better
181:13
performance had his microphone not been
181:15
going out yeah
181:18
the Dan killed it I Dan killed it but I
181:22
don’t think he was able to say the
181:24
things he wanted to say so I think that
181:27
the questions I felt like the questions
181:30
were kind of weak from Matt big it was
181:33
geared towards this being a more
181:36
standard debate whereas Dan wants to
181:39
talk about like why government shouldn’t
181:41
exist in why we should be allowed to do
181:43
whatever we want with that said Adam was
181:45
able to take those questions and do that
181:47
Kim was able to do it so I would say if
181:49
I felt like it’s a tough one because I
181:55
think Kim had the best performance i kim
182:00
had in in an apple and apples and
182:02
oranges way Kim and vermin both had
182:05
their best performances because they’re
182:07
both trying to achieve in some ways two
182:09
completely different things
182:10
vermin is trying to say listen if you
182:12
think this whole thing is a joke and you
182:15
want to grow the Libertarian Party by
182:16
appealing to people who think it’s a
182:18
joke I’m your guy because we can all be
182:21
in on the joke we can all laugh at it
182:23
and you can bring in someone who’s way
182:24
more popular than anyone currently on
182:26
the stage and and make that case and
182:28
Kim’s whole thing is I am you know I I
182:31
am the most you know I I’m incredibly
182:34
you know I am a strong libertarian I’ve
182:35
worked on many campaigns I I am
182:38
supporting other candidates in
182:39
down-ticket races I’m about growing the
182:42
entire party and and moving up in a
182:44
grassroots fashion so obviously both
182:47
trying to get to the same destination
182:50
but with different strategies of having
182:52
to do so so I’d sort of have to give it
182:54
to both of them in terms of who won I
182:56
think Dan gave a very
182:59
good solid performance I think Adam
183:02
probably would have done better without
183:03
the mic well about to make issues
183:06
without the mic issues made it difficult
183:07
for him to get into his rhythm yeah and
183:10
I’ve seen Adam speak before and he’s
183:15
normally very charismatic and he’s
183:16
normally re-engaging and I’m in on this
183:18
one again like the the mic going out on
183:21
him
183:22
throws off that rhythm yeah it’s yeah
183:24
it’s impossible to judge his performance
183:27
in this debate based on the stand on the
183:30
standards that this debate huh right and
183:33
and he still did well I mean he still he
183:35
still buried himself well dan I think
183:36
did well but Dan’s not very theatrical
183:38
so Dan is is one-on-one very very
183:42
engaging and in small groups very
183:44
engaging I don’t know how well that
183:45
translates into like speeches on a
183:49
podium appealing to a large crowd type
183:51
of thing but I think he did well too but
183:54
I guess if I had to pick winners it
183:55
would be Kim and vermin for kind of
183:58
completely their their appeals and what
184:01
they sought to accomplish there was what
184:04
was kind of different
184:07
Chris Reynolds is saying the Dems won
184:10
Kentucky and for yeah I would the dims
184:14
the last one I saw they were up by 0.3%
184:18
with 99 or a hundred percent reporting
184:22
the Kentucky the dim for Kentucky is
184:25
saying that they won but it’s definitely
184:27
going to go to a recount
184:29
odds are yes they did the Dems also
184:33
winning Virginia well the Dems have been
184:35
sweeping Virginia since 2008 so that’s
184:38
we have that big of a deal
184:39
although Liberty darling Nick Freitas
184:44
won a write-in campaign in his district
184:49
which is you don’t hear about that often
184:51
but it was by like 14% he won doing a
184:55
right end campaign wow that’s impressive
184:58
that’s very impressive so Chris also
185:02
said fill philosophy to vapours
185:03
systematic pragmatic debate both can be
185:05
right yeah if if the pragmatic the
185:08
pragmatists are presenting an actual
185:11
viable plane
185:13
in there just saying vote for me because
185:16
I’m not as theatrical or as you know I
185:20
don’t wear a boot but they’re not Joe
185:22
Jorgensen did not make a compelling
185:24
argument that she was the fragment
185:27
pragmatic choice but I think he was
185:30
talking about a vermin being the
185:32
pragmatic choice
185:34
sure oh and maybe meant vermin versus
185:37
Kim or something like that anyway that’s
185:39
what I think he was wrong cuz I came in
185:42
shortly
185:43
shortly after yours talking about Berman
185:45
and Kim giving two good performances
185:48
yeah so and Tyler said three libertarian
185:53
candidates in Ohio and in Indiana to
185:56
five City Council and one mayoral so
185:58
good for good for the libertarian party
186:00
so guys I know who Tyler thinks won and
186:07
who we voted for who won but without
186:09
further ado let’s go ahead and show you
186:11
the results of the straw poll this was a
186:13
poll of people who were there and
186:15
according to that Ken Armstrong got five
186:20
point seven percent firm and supreme got
186:22
seven point one percent dan Berman got
186:25
eight point six percent Joe Jorgenson
186:27
got twelve point nine percent Adam Koch
186:29
ash fifteen point seven percent and Kim
186:32
ruff got fifty percent and of those who
186:35
were LP members who said that they were
186:38
LP members she got sixty one point seven
186:40
percent so she kind of trounced everyone
186:43
in terms of the in terms right where I’m
186:46
having issue with this straw poll and I
186:48
know that they said that there was no
186:49
ballot stuffing or then that it was a
186:51
legitimate vote and all that sort of
186:53
thing is the Joe Jorgenson 17% of LP
186:59
members twenty percent of possible
187:01
delegates yeah I don’t I don’t I don’t I
187:04
don’t buy that I don’t buy it she did
187:06
awful she did awful in the debate she
187:09
did she didn’t get any libertarian
187:12
points across all she continued to say
187:14
was she she pulled the Joe Biden you
187:18
know I was Obama’s vice president I was
187:21
Harry Browns vice president nominee I’m
187:23
working with the same team the Harry
187:25
Brown
187:27
would the difference being that Joe
187:30
Biden is referencing a successful
187:32
two-term president right from two from
187:36
one election cycle ago she’s talking
187:40
about something that failed 23 years
187:41
like Chris is saying really small sample
187:43
size though but this is this is who
187:45
voted at the debate this was the break
187:47
to one of the people that were at the
187:48
debate watching it yeah it’s not a
187:49
scientific poll but it’s a breakdown of
187:51
the people over there but because it’s a
187:53
small sample size it’s also a doctored
187:55
sample size in that a lot of them were
187:56
already came in as supporters of one
187:58
team or another so for example Joe
188:00
Jorgenson didn’t gain any new supporters
188:02
six people who came there as Joe
188:05
Jorgenson supporters I mean that’s like
188:07
her campaign team that voted for six of
188:12
the people there were of her campaign
188:13
team oh and that’s actually a really
188:16
good point because she was in sovereign
188:19
state yes your own state so a lot of her
188:23
campaign team is gonna be members of
188:24
that party trying to become delegates so
188:27
yeah those six people could be the six
188:30
people that she has working on her team
188:31
yeah and I mean I yeah so anyway all
188:35
that to say you know this isn’t a this
188:38
isn’t a you know Kim Roth hasn’t been
188:40
nominated and none of them have dropped
188:42
out as a result but it’s a kind of a can
188:44
you tell me what a percentages Scop
188:51
post-debate straw poll breakdown
188:52
pre-sentence presented well it’s how you
188:57
get George Jorgensen to get 20% yeah
188:59
yeah but uh yeah so so that’s what
189:04
happened there we have a couple more of
189:08
the red carpet interviews to show you
189:10
and I guess we can sign now so now that
189:13
you know who won the straw poll I can
189:15
show these other ones but here is Tom
189:18
Arnold followed by Kim and then we will
189:21
end it with firm and supreme who was our
189:24
our final red carpet our final red
189:28
carpet interview we actually did that
189:29
one at the house and I didn’t have to do
189:31
captions for that one yay because you
189:33
can hear what he’s saying anyway so
189:35
here’s Tom Arnold Liberty Tom Liberty
189:38
Clause Arnold why I’m spike Owen your
189:40
South Carolina Libertarian Party B post
189:43
after-party
189:44
I’m here doing my red carpet I called
189:47
that something different so what would
190:56
you say was her do you think it was a
190:57
breakout moment
191:05
[Music]
191:13
foreign policy is her Forte and so but
191:30
what is your message
191:33
we live in my lifetime so I’m gonna be a
191:45
status a lot of man love this weekend a
192:08
lot of man love this weekend Chris
192:10
Reynolds said where can people buy those
192:12
hats you can get these at taxation is
192:14
theft dot cards
192:16
that’s taxation is theft dot card shout
192:20
out to Casey Neth who just joined us
192:21
she’s a partner and some apps I’m
192:24
working on yes a talk yeah so a lot of
192:36
kissing I kissed a lot of men this
192:37
weekend slept with one dance with one
192:40
well I danced with the same when I slept
192:42
with so that was Tom and then we had kim
192:46
ruff fresh off the heels of her straw
192:49
poll victory at the debate here’s Kim
192:51
ruff every time a different name
193:06
I appreciate the Chuck I don’t keep this
193:20
5 feet 11 yeah
193:33
I assure their parents were they walking
193:42
it was I pulled it out of the nose what
194:10
did what was your feeling about the
194:11
convey
194:27
[Music]
194:56
so I’m Tim Roth thank you so much red
195:28
carpet time I want everyone to
195:33
appreciate these captions I just do
195:36
because this last one doesn’t have
195:38
captions you know how long it took me to
195:39
edit this one about three seconds well
195:43
30 seconds all right these other ones
195:46
20-30 minutes Tim should go to
195:49
Disneyworld because I’ll go to Orlando
195:52
to say what’s up but I’m not going to LA
195:56
yeah I know I’m definitely not I’ll go
195:58
down to Orlando it’s it’s not
196:02
uncomfortable Chris people liked it
196:05
we were actually touching stomachs Matt
196:07
Hicks and I Kim and I and not so much
196:10
Tom we were just in meshed in one
196:12
another that was a real like physical
196:15
experience sharing a tiny kitchen mat
196:19
with with Tom Arnold Liberty Clause I
196:22
felt like I was on Santa’s sleigh so
196:26
here is mine so you’re Jewish so you
196:28
don’t understand you sit on Santa’s lap
196:30
and tell him what you want for christmas
196:31
well I stood into his lap you did your
196:36
you were right in his life there was a
196:37
lot of pelvic proximity there it was it
196:42
was okay it was a lot of pelvic contact
196:44
with mat and with Tom really everyone I
196:47
enjoyed interviewing Ryan because he’s
196:49
skinny and so we didn’t touch so that
196:52
was nice oh damn Berman’s feet by the
196:55
way he’s gotta wear like a size 15 yeah
196:58
he’s a giant man they took up like a
197:02
you wouldn’t you see him in the Hat so
197:04
you assume he’s smaller he’s my he’s
197:06
probably six three no he’s a gigantic
197:09
giant human being he’s at least six two
197:11
or six three and he has gigantic massive
197:17
monster feet so here is without further
197:21
ado here is my final interview of the
197:23
evening at the after after after party
197:26
with vermin supreme featuring Dave
197:28
everybody welcome to the South Carolina
197:30
Libertarian Party posed to be I love the
197:33
master chef spike going with me as
197:36
always is the amazing beautiful so you
197:51
look amazing well I will see my sutures
197:56
bye chaps
197:59
absolutely it’s and of course I’ve got
198:15
the and this is actually not so much the
198:34
rubber boot itself know it or guts Marva
198:37
server because another rubber they would
198:39
pull over your shoe and you would pull
198:40
over your food so it’s except much it’s
198:42
more hollow and it’s much more
198:44
lightweight has a better gravity to it
198:47
it feels good it does I know a lot of
198:49
people ask me you know how do I keep the
198:51
rubber boot on my head it’s so hard not
198:54
laughing when this man’s Rainier face
198:56
like this I was I was so delirious I
198:57
started busting out gravity also in this
199:10
case three physical properties going on
199:26
so there’s some construction going on
199:27
there yeah science what it’s all about
199:30
science
199:30
well you look absolutely stuff thank you
199:32
you know you saw you to also thank you
199:34
very much this is actually this is free
199:37
trade this was not made Vietnamese
199:39
pygmies it’s microfiber so I’m gonna ask
199:50
you what is your impression of how how
199:52
do you think you didn’t during the
199:53
debate you know I think I did a pretty
199:55
good I think I went a long way towards
199:58
convincing people of my purpose and I
200:01
offer I think I was clear on that the
200:05
base always very interesting because
200:06
essentially you know the question is
200:09
asked and there’s like six people at one
200:10
stage and they’re all answering it more
200:12
or little mass in the libertarian
200:15
fashion and so it sort of frees me up in
200:19
a way it’s like I mean I’ve almost don’t
200:21
feel like it
200:22
I should be reiterating the same thing
200:24
that everybody sir is saying right and
200:26
it allows me to say something a little
200:28
bit different and
200:30
so that that’s a good thing yeah and you
200:33
know I believe that I was a serious
200:34
where I need to be serious and
200:36
entertaining where I need to be
200:37
entertaining and sold all my various
200:39
talking points and reasons why I be a
200:42
really good candidate no I believe that
200:44
people are very receptive to it I
200:45
believe I’m changing hearts and minds
200:47
and Michael along is simply meant to get
200:50
people to agree that it’s not
200:51
inconceivable right and if I could get
200:53
to that point I’m halfway there right I
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feel that very well it was a very very
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good debate overall now do you think did
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you like it the reception you got
201:01
overall at the convention you feel good
201:03
to feel welcome oh absolutely
201:05
I always do very much enjoy these
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conventions and me and people agree to
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the people and campaigns the people
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trying to convince them of the
201:15
righteousness of our cause
201:20
very good very good now I don’t know if
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you saw earlier we had breaking news mr.
201:24
a narco gun guy Ryan Teeter I gave a
201:27
split endorsement to you and to Kim ruff
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he came into the race I guess more of a
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rough man and after that is now a split
201:34
supreme ruff and it’s very interesting
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now I asked him if he would be okay and
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chewing on a mint by the way and if he
201:46
would be okay with one of you having you
201:49
go into some kind of a cage style
201:51
wrestling match for who would be
201:52
president who would be vice president
201:53
and he said he would rather you guys
201:55
work at how agreeably in some way so
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what are your thoughts on that well cage
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matches gets her to be agreeable
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so I guess
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two alternative random decision-making
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flipped a coin flips
202:14
rock-paper-scissors panty wrestling to a
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three you know you know it’s a brief
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light over this way what’s where the cow
202:24
ploppies
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very good network more who can leave it
202:29
up to the viewers oh and now how do you
202:30
feel about that because I mean she
202:31
Kinnison Amazon she’s a yeah you know I
202:36
have to work out you know nothing I used
202:42
to be but do you know to balls out three
202:46
overall what is the message you want to
202:49
give to the the good boys and girls
202:51
watch now well kids I want to say this
202:55
about that not that pepper
202:58
okay kids don’t be going in there
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uncovered don’t go and protect that
203:08
sucker come on like kids here’s there’s
203:11
goodies out there could be thank you
203:13
thank you so much and guys thank you
203:15
again for joining us for red carpet red
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carpet interviews so at this point I had
203:23
I think four of my shirt buttons
203:26
unbuttoned as the evening went on I was
203:30
just more of the jus beard chest beard
203:34
was was in on display and by that it was
203:37
just really it was the suit holding my
203:39
shirt together at that point it really
203:41
was not being able to get to buy any
203:43
buttons a lot of that was because of the
203:45
anarchy me anarchist strip teasers oh
203:49
the natural you know Anarchy is the
203:51
natural order the very fun night I had a
203:56
lot of fun
203:57
I wish the broadcast could have happened
204:02
but what but i but i we had a lot of fun
204:05
and then of course this happened
204:13
I mean again that’s possibly the
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most-watched thing I will ever do
204:33
probably yeah it’s gonna be an
204:37
interesting campaign season for the
204:38
Libertarians back in 16 you had Gary
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Johnson who was a two-term governor
204:48
Republican GOP governor and the 2012
204:51
nominee and you had Austin Peterson who
204:53
was very widely well known John McPhee
204:58
John Maxey and then there were there
205:01
were others but those were those were
205:04
the three big names this one you’ve got
205:09
coke cash and vermin are probably the
205:12
two biggest names but I don’t think
205:13
they’re one of them are really on the
205:15
same level as Johnson or Peterson or Mac
205:19
I would argue that vermin is except for
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Johnson because he has now weather so
205:29
there’s well-known and then there’s
205:31
well-known in terms of like the people
205:34
that are actually gonna show up and vote
205:35
right in in in much in in a Praia
205:39
election much less as delegates in a
205:42
convention or whatever but he’s an
205:44
incredibly well-known person and the
205:49
younger someone is the more likely they
205:51
are to know him to the point where if
205:52
you’re a teenager
205:53
there’s better than even chances you
205:55
know who he is he is literally a Veidt
205:58
when he says viral sensation he is well
206:00
known by millions and millions and
206:03
millions of children and and and and
206:05
teenagers they can’t vote right now but
206:08
he certainly has a case to make that you
206:11
know he’s the president of tick tock
206:14
right now and and is that relevant to a
206:21
primary or a convention that chooses
206:24
their candidate not directly because
206:25
they can’t vote but it’s something to be
206:27
said about his a little popularity Kim
206:30
ruff her appeal is that she has she is
206:35
more of a dog she is more
206:38
philosophically of a doctrinaire
206:39
libertarian than Johnson McAfee or
206:44
Peterson McAfee or Peterson there’s a
206:51
movie coming out about Mac maquette
206:54
McAfee McAfee you said McAfee and it
206:59
threw me off yeah there’s a movie coming
207:00
out about McAfee with Michael Keaton
207:03
playing John McAfee no man I was gonna
207:10
say is it called Batman 5i yeah I mean I
207:16
Kim’s whole thing is that she’s about
207:18
the most libertarian person running in
207:20
quite a while that actually has like a
207:22
you know professionally run campaign
207:24
Adams just kind of a similar a appeal
207:28
that he’s making vermin’s is completely
207:30
different than whatever anyone else is
207:31
offering like he said in the red carpet
207:33
interview everyone else was giving
207:35
similar answers and he was kind of
207:38
saying yeah I’m here too
207:39
for you to voice your displeasure with
207:41
this whole thing there’s a lot of people
207:44
that have enough displeasure that that
207:45
might be worth it for them so we will
207:47
see how it goes but again I’d love to
207:50
give a chant thanks to the South
207:54
Carolina libertarian party for the
207:56
opportunity to hang out at the
207:57
convention and we huh Reason magazine
208:00
feel like that thank Reason magazine
208:03
yeah and also give a shout out to
208:08
everyone who watched this and share it
208:10
because now you’ll finally get to see
208:13
the reaction to the debate and so you’d
208:15
see that the entirety of the debate and
208:19
yeah Matt is there anything you you want
208:22
to share with anyone before we start to
208:23
go through our thing no um not really if
208:29
you watch this Facebook has a so
208:32
throttled please share it yeah please
208:34
share our content 15 shares or something
208:40
like that our reach
208:41
Ben 54 yeah I mean it’s Facebook has it
208:45
is impossible to show up up for us to
208:49
show up on anyone’s newsfeed and
208:50
hopefully that ends soon because that’s
208:54
crazy
208:54
but or everyone just switches over to
208:56
float just switch over to flow if you’re
208:59
watching this just slip switch over to
209:01
flow and next week I’m gonna have Daniel
209:05
taxation is theft berman on we’re gonna
209:06
talk about all sorts of stuff i’m gonna
209:08
find out where that hats from i’m
209:10
definitely gonna find out where that
209:11
hats from and what else i guess that’s
209:16
it so Matt if someone for looking for us
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on anywhere except for Facebook on the
209:21
internet how would they find us man
209:25
that’s gonna mess up my order you can
209:29
say Facebook if you’re looking for us
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anchor dot F M / muddy waters media and
209:55
you can find this in every episode at
210:02
muddied waters media.com that we were
210:05
having a Joe Jorgensen moment there’s
210:07
like no I was reading so it’s common of
210:10
15 shares with a 54 reads yes Chris that
210:12
is correct yeah it’s actually 13 shares
210:16
I apologize yeah it is absolutely brutal
210:21
so guys thanks again for tuning in we
210:25
will see you next week and where we’re
210:29
going
210:31
Jeffrey Epstein didn’t kill himself
210:39
[Music]
210:44
mic check yo
210:47
[Music]
210:54
I will not go pop
210:58
I will not go stop you’re gonna say
210:59
nobody’s knows this is true hip-hop I do
211:02
not flip flop none as they blow me float
211:04
this is perseverance does this
211:07
perseverance this is perseverance I will
211:13
not go pop I will not go stop when I say
211:16
no means melt this is true hip-hop I’m
211:18
gonna flip sup wanna feel only flow this
211:22
is perseverance this is perseverance
211:25
this is perseverance
211:29
this is perseverance up in on the
211:31
robsons I made the first appearance I’ve
211:33
been on the grind never waited for the
211:35
clearance life is all the time so I’m
211:36
gonna live a fearless years yeah
211:38
and people gonna hear this made a little
211:40
name with the vision and coherent it’s
211:41
never been a lane I’m closer to a genius
211:43
knowledge of my brain chalk it up to the
211:45
experience still I’m not rich but at
211:47
least I ain’t broke
211:48
never sell dreams cuz I better sell hope
211:49
hope people so lost in the mirrors and
211:51
the smoke think I’d be a real a bloke if
211:53
I said I sold dope no but my fans tell
211:55
you that I’m awesome awesome I started
211:57
selling and they bottom bottom I told
211:59
him get him and I got him so if you want
212:01
door buzz that’s not a prize it’s time
212:03
just with the noodles on the wax
212:04
rock-hard like I got the Beatles on your
212:06
back go soft make it easy living off the
212:08
map or I can go hard like your freaking
212:10
shoot on the track I’m grinding from a
212:12
zero to a stack and I’m talking about
212:14
the neuro getting jacked if what kind of
212:16
needs a new king i’ma go hard to be the
212:18
leader of the pack a needle in a stack
212:20
and I’m feeling to attack not a Bala no
212:21
– child but a hero and a black I’m an
212:23
eagle – a vegetable demon on a tractor
212:25
and the scholar and a brother you don’t
212:26
feel it if you
212:27
you’re always talking evil in your rap
212:29
and I’m trying to fill my minutes on the
212:31
map to give you throw fools for life and
212:33
get my room clean I’m the Jordan bitch
212:35
Center fat
212:36
I will not go pop I will not go stop
212:39
when I say no means no this is true
212:41
hip-hop I do not flip flop when I say
212:43
blow me flow this is perseverance
212:47
perseverance
212:48
this is perseverance I will not go pop I
212:55
will not go stop can I say no means no
212:57
this is true this is perseverance
213:04
this is perseverance this is
213:06
perseverance perseverance
213:10
and I believe what I prophesize so I
213:12
don’t apologize unless I do wrong I
213:15
don’t bow to the mob I don’t live to
213:16
antagonize but they say I’m too
213:19
outspoken smoke they wonder if I’m
213:21
joking look a little bit of chess but I
213:24
say what I feel man I’m feeling I’m open
213:26
trust in God but I live in the physical
213:28
selfish thoughts but I give in the
213:29
lyrical cops hot want my speech to be
213:31
criminal lies get fired when I speak
213:33
their political I am NOT left-wing I am
213:36
NOT right-wing I just know all these
213:38
things I know yeah you cannot label me
213:40
you can’t put shame on me when I say go
213:42
means go fresh I step into the premises
213:44
kick dope rhymes and alarm expressing it
213:46
pop online and reply to all the messages
213:48
got to spend time and I’m grateful that
213:50
you cherish it
213:51
don’t talk crap no I’d rather be
213:52
irrelevant can’t play dumb people know
213:54
that I’m intelligent you see me up late
213:56
like big beard let them in 12 years
213:57
teach now flowing like your favorite
213:59
foods your love now I’m moving up an
214:01
eminence girl show love cause I feeling
214:02
all the pleasantest got cute streams I
214:04
can never be a pessimist too much love I
214:06
can never be a feminist girls will stop
214:09
looking all incredulous I am NOT a bad
214:10
man I am NOT your nemesis always had a
214:12
Mega Drive take it back to Genesis
214:14
worked so hard time to become better
214:16
I will not go pop I will not go stop
214:19
gonna say no means no this is true
214:21
hip-hop I do not flip flop when I say
214:24
flow me flow this is perseverance is
214:27
this perseverance this is perseverance
214:31
perseverance
214:33
I will not go pop I will not go stop
214:36
when I say no means no this is true
214:38
hip-hop I’m not flips up when I say
214:40
groaning flow just this is perseverance
214:44
this is perseverance this is
214:46
perseverance
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you


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