Episode 120 – LIBERTARIGEDDON SC 2020

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hey everybody for spike I’ve got Chris
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Reynolds on my shirt
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: I am Matt Wright and we are here in
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person in person in Myrtle Beach South
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Carolina the beautiful dirty Myrtle
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that’s right murder Beach we had a we
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had a great weekend we had an amazing
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weekend so there were some ups there
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were some downs there was a down there
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was a down who’s really a down there was
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one it was just a really big down it was
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the down right it was the down it was
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like the most depressing movie you’ve
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ever seen the the requiem for a dream of
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downs but it was only for a few minute
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is only for a few minutes and then
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everything else then after that smooth
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sailing all the way across the board
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so we uh we had a great time Kristi’s
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not gonna cooperate well we had a great
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time Chris had an amazing time he’s
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still having a hard time staying on
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right he Chris had a lot of play he was
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he was a very busy man Chris was the
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belle of the ball
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that’s Jimmy will people people when
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Chris wasn’t around people were asking
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about Chris yeah we actually throw the
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one time I didn’t where Chris people
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were like where the hell is Chris right
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and I’m like oh wow Chris is that
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important now so Chris personal injury
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attorney Chris Reynolds attorney a lot
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please know you were loved you were
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asked for and you were one of the
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biggest stars of the show that’s true
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that’s very true yeah everybody loved
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Chris and we mmm 99% of the people we’re
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wonderful 99.7% of the people almost
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really just one person was not wonderful
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right sadly that was the one person that
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it was actually necessary that that
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person be one wonderful and we just want
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to say we had a great time with like to
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thank everyone at the South Carolina
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Libertarian Party we’d love to thank the
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we’d love to thank the vermin supreme
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campaign would love to thank the kim
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ruff campaign we’d love to thank the dan
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birmingham berman campaigns were wearing
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his hat since we’re wearing his hats
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these hats
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by the way taxation is theft cards yeah
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be sure to check those out but yeah
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kim ruff Timberman Adam Koch cash Kim
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Furman supreme 2
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can Armstrong cannot jacob Hornberger
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jacob Hornburg jacob Hornberger if Jacob
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Hornberger announced his candidacy
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whilst we were there whilst we were
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there we were there sadly I didn’t get I
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got it’s very small like one-minute clip
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of his amount yeah just a snip snip Aroo
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a bit before my phone announced to me
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that I had filled my SD card
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despite the fact that I had emptied it
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just before that started right but uh so
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that we got to we got to see that so
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we’ll be hearing more from him I’m sure
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but he made a nice little appearance and
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Joe Jorgensen Jorgensen was there yes
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yeah and she was definitely there and
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and yeah so we had a good time it was
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wonderful five out of five swiping right
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on South Carolina a party that’s right
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just swiping right on foot South
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Carolina was there if there was Yelp
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reviews for Libertarian Party
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conventions this would get would swipe
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right we would swipe right because
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that’s how that’s how it works right um
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but we would definitely rate it very
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high we would be like you know great
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great members you know great members uh
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venue was nice
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candidates mostly great and obviously
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great men mostly great candidates and
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really only one issue the biggest one so
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we weren’t able to broadcast live but
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we’re not sure yet but as of this
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recording you will either be getting a
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audio version of the debate tonight
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tonight or you will be getting the
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actual video version of the debate
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tonight either way we will be doing our
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typical Muddy Waters live reaction even
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though it’s not live we’ll be doing our
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reaction time recorded reaction or a
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live reaction to a pre-recorded debate
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and so we hope you enjoy that yeah we
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hope you enjoy us we enjoy you
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we definitely enjoy we definitely
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yes tune in for will stay tuning in
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you’re already here continue to tin you
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to tune in do not turn your demise oh
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yeah do not turn it off and continue to
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turn in for the South Carolina
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libertarian debate 2020 Edition Liberty
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are getting a little bit yes libertarian
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ver tera gedan thank you God
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good morning good afternoon and good
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evening or good evening and welcome to
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the Vanguard for spike I am definitely
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nothing like Rand Paul Cohen
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I am Matt Wright and together we are
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traversing the muddied waters of freedom
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hey everybody how are you doing
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some quick breaking news before we get
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into everything this actually just came
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across my news wire thing also known as
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my iPad the libertarian darling Prince
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Rand Paul said that he would probably
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will leak the name of the whistleblower
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oh god he probably will leak the name of
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the whistleblower because that’s what
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libertarians do yeah libertarians
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absolutely leaked the names of
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whistleblowers it’s actually you know
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it’s a big part of what we believe in is
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that we believe in self ownership and
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therefore if you tell on a government
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official you should suffer consequences
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for it
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this completes I mean you could argue
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when he you know voted to confirm some
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of the worst neo-cons into the Trump
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administration that he had already
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completed his transition and to totally
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fake libertarian but this kind of
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completes it but I am probably I’m
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trying to put on my thing but ya know
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that there is no law preventing him from
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anybody from saying the name nothing
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that prevents me from saying it now I
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can and I may but I can do it right now
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if I want nothing stops me okay
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well good for him right so just remember
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that when you are defending when you
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when you are defending serve Rand Paul
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as the greatest libertarian in Congress
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right exactly so first and foremost only
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person for me
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second second in the second second most
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second-most allow me to thank Justin for
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the kava I am drinking on this very
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special episode of the muddied waters of
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free and allow me to thank Kroger for
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this delicious purified drinking water
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man pure no no no okay purified drinking
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water there we go that I drink on this
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in most episodes of the mighty waters of
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freedom and thank you to Dan Berman for
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this sweet-ass hat these sweet-ass hats
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that we’re wearing this sweet acid hat
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that I have on that keeps I’ve got to
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get used to having a hat on because it
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keeps bumping into my mic but so I gotta
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do it like this like the rapper’s do but
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uh no I’d like to thank Dan for that and
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for these equally sweet-ass what if he’s
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called armbands yeah yeah yeah the
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rubber armbands
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yeah wristbands rubber wristbands when
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this is an FAQ station is theft one and
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the Dan Berman in the drug war and the
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drug war you can get these on Dan Berman
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20/20 calm and you can get the Hat sweet
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as it is at taxation is theft dot cards
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do not go to calm calm takes you to read
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it for some reason but uh yeah guys so
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we had a oh and I’d like to thank the
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South Carolina Libertarian Party for
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acknowledging my status as a Zionist
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infiltrator into everything that I do
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and for the lanyard I price ticket
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that’s our sticker but so yeah so Matt
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we we met each other for the first time
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we did at the Myrtle Beach International
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Airport the Myrtle Beach International
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Airport as all great romances start we
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Bulova naka bula vinaka to move Anaka
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bula vinaka
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to everybody we just like Bulova naka
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with all my all my gear and I got so I
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so and I can’t stop at thinking to him
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Berg got to thank Kim rough for all the
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swagger Ike swag I got from her firm and
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supreme for all the swag I got from him
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as well as the place that we stayed at
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the vermin’s supreme supreme campaign
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paid for so we had to thank them for
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that
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get a cool-ass Airbnb that we stayed at
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like thank Matt for being gentle and we
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were sharing a bed together like
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thanking for that turned out there
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weren’t enough beds so we share the king
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bike just just so everybody knows spike
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has never used their B&B; before no ever
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and he we had four people we were we
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were staying with the vermin’s supreme
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campaign team right so as a vermin
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supreme one of his handlers a very
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lovely man by the name of Davy Jones
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Davy Jones AV Jones who used to sing in
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the Monkees and had a locker and a
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locker the bottom of the sea I thought
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you’re right at the bottom see and
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meaning spike we were all staying there
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and spike was in charge of booking the
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air B&B; and for four dudes four grown
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men spike booked a 3-bedroom 1-bath to
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be fair to be fair it’s all that was
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available without going far enough out
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where we might as well just have stayed
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at my house to also be fair we could
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have maybe just stayed at my house but
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but I don’t I mean you did that dry back
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I don’t think that would have been
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feasible to go back and forth like that
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right yeah I mean it was bad enough
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being 20 minutes away so so just to be
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fair that’s what they had but yeah it
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was three bedrooms one bath and so it’s
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Matt and I shared a a bed we did we met
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each other and went to bed together that
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night on the first night first date
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first bike gives it up really easily
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they didn’t even take me to dinner
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didn’t have to really I spiked is I
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don’t value myself it sure but uh so yes
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so we had a great time had a good time
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at the convention got to meet all the
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people there had a great time at the
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after-party social I’ve got some red
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carpet interviews that I’ll be
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showing throughout kind of dispersed
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throughout this this lovely episode and
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yeah so guys we were supposed to we were
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supposed to broadcast the the debate and
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that didn’t happen the we had been told
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that we were coming there to do
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commentary and the those in charge of
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that were under the impression that we
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were there to run the broadcast
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thankfully I brought my laptop so we
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were able to at least try to get the
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broadcast going and the other people at
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the South Carolina Libertarian Party in
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that final 30 minutes or so tried their
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best to help us get everything together
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but that’s not how streaming with a rig
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that no one’s ever tried for the first
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time is gonna work and so unfortunately
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we weren’t able to to do it but we we
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had a great time still and we did
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thankfully get the audio of it which
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we’ll be playing tonight and live
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reacting to that but yeah so the reason
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we went there didn’t happen but then we
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got to do a bunch of other cool stuff
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and hang out with all the candidates and
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all our Liberty peeps so it was not lost
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and then we also got to have autumn
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chair of Monday we got to have autumn
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chair of Monday so it’s true so I will
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tell you Matt what wait wait a second is
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Sarah is there a calendar behind you
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there is a calendar behind me there is
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the libertarian dadbod calendar this one
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is I have it on April already because
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why because that as a the month that US
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spiked nipples McGee Cohen is in
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displaying all of the spiked nipples
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with all of the chest hair oh wow it’s a
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shame it’s so far away and we don’t have
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like a zoomed in version that people can
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see something look at that see but mine
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is autographed
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so it’s Otto we’ll see that’s name I
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didn’t I didn’t get my autograph so yeah
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mine is autographed I got I got two
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autographs on my calendar one one from
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one from spike Cohen and one from vermin
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supreme who only signed his first name
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Tyler Smith says June is sexier probably
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Tyler there’s a good I mean well it’s Oh
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June is Tyler that’s why he’s saying
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that and I don’t I don’t disagree but we
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don’t have that graphic we don’t have
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that graphic I mean he can flip to it
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but no one’s gonna see it so so yeah so
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yeah so ello and if anyone wants to get
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one of those libertarian dad bod calm
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and if you donate $1,000 to Muddy Waters
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media I will sign every page of it yep I
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mean just or even fifty I thought you
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were good at negotiating we had this
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long talk the other day like you just
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dropped from a thousand I don’t need
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your money I don’t need your money but
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if you were to give me 250 bucks all
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over the place I’m all ago she a ting
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I’m too tired to negotiate I haven’t I
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still haven’t really slept like a good
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sleep
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since all this happened but uh yeah so
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it was a it was a lot of fun and just to
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go ahead and get out of the way I
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apparently already had my biggest moment
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in my career on on tik-tok for those who
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don’t know tick-tock is a app that’s
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incredibly popular with the kids with
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teenagers and young adults urban supreme
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suburban trees yeah Vermin Supreme
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supporters Vermin Supreme also is
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incredibly populated popular with the
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kids and teens and young adults and so
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he’s incredible on tik-tok and
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having done and will show the serious
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red carpet interviews we ended up doing
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something that has already gotten last
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check over 30,000 we can we can call
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that 31,000 31,000 who loved it and so
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I’m just gonna go ahead and show it to
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you hey let’s go to Magic Mountain
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Charlie I will have everybody know
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though since I was there for the entire
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planning of this video this was actually
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not spikes an idea oh no this was not my
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idea
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that was vermin’s idea that was
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Alderman’s idea that was a hundred
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percent vermin this was what vermin had
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as soon as he saw the carpet he said
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let’s make a video for the kids yes and
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I said well Who am I to argue with the
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guy who’s paying for my room and board
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valid and so there we are mat directed
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it Dave may notice I’m never gonna play
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that again but you may notice he was
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waving in the background shout out to
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Dave coming through at the end they’re
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about to Davy Jones shout out to Davy
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Jones for coming through at the end
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there uh and yeah so that’s what that’s
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what happened there and um another big
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thing before we go to the and this will
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this will kind of season give you a
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little seasoning of of what people were
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thinking about coming into the debate
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the biggest news of the convention by
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far
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all the candidates got to give their
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speeches before that the delegates they
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had voted for their delegates and so
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forth but all the candidates got to give
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their speeches and the I guess
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pragmatists choice in South Carolina one
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miss
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Joe Jorgensen she gave her speech and
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she he gave her speech was a 50-second
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Zack 98 second how long Oh was it 98 I
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thought it was like 50 seconds man I was
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just making up the ninety-eight because
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it was sure I could not believe it was
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Oh like I figured it was over a minute
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but I knew it wasn’t to every candidate
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had nine minutes to give a speech and
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then answer some questions and we’ve
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actually have three week aired the show
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on on the money water’s page from Dan
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Berman Kim rough and vermin supreme and
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most of them would give anywhere from a
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three to five minute speech and then you
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know spend the rest of the time
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answering questions Joe talked for I
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think a minute I think it was like a
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minute give or take gave a decent I mean
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I can sum up her speech I tried to do it
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yesterday in the car and it went for
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those of you who don’t know my name is
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Joe Jorgenson and I was the Libertarian
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Party vice presidential candidate in
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1996 under Harry Brown many people from
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the other the candidates from the other
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parties are planning on going to DC with
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a pen and a pencil I am going there with
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an eraser the end now now I’m ready for
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your question now I’m ready for your
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question there was something I was
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missing but that yes yeah no that was
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that was literally it
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that was literally oh she mentioned that
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she’s from you know the great state of
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South Carolina and she’s a lecturer at
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Clemson that was really the only other
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thing that was all she said that you
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missed I mean it was like oh wow really
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this is this is what you’ve chosen to to
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do so she anytime anyone asked her a
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question she would say yes we’re gonna
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be getting to that very shortly but as
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we start campaigning even though she was
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already campaigning right she she was
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doing a campaign event and going to a
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debate to a convention to whip delegates
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followed by a convey debate which as far
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as she knew was going to be broadcast
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live all over the internet right as far
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as the rest of us knew as well
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except for one person and so she then uh
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so it all came to a head when she was
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asked by one ms sarah daggers a specific
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question and this is how she responded
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to it guys this is how the pragmatist
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choice the electable choice responded to
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it and I as libertarians we are all I
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really don’t want to you know we’ve got
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answers for everything and we’ve got
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great answers for everything and we just
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can’t wait to share our answers for
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everything I was on the campaign trail
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1996 for the VP nomination and somebody
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asked me a question about Bureau of Land
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Management and by golly I just wrote a
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book the lease before and I could tell
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them all about the Bureau of Land
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Management the problem is the average
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person out there doesn’t care and so as
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libertarians I think we need to restrain
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ourselves and to persuade people or find
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the people who agree with what we do
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agree with oh I have a position that’s
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not part of the it’s not part of the
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campaign to outreach to bring new people
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into the party the short answer is No
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Wow okay so now you’re afraid to ask
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well they’re not really afraid to ask
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you questions they just don’t see the
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purpose of it because because you’ve
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already said that you won’t answer
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questions that you don’t feel the voters
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the people in that room so deliberate
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okay we’re not we’re not voting the
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Libertarian Party does not have a
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primary for anybody that does not know
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this I know that if you’re a libertarian
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you probably know it but I do know some
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people who did not know that during the
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2016 elections because they got all bent
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out of shape that they couldn’t vote for
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their preferred candidate in the primary
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election day but right on the super
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Tuesdays and that kind of so it is not
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the the Libertarian candidate is not
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chosen by the voters they are chosen by
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delegates who show up at the National
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Convention and vote on behalf of their
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respective territories I was asked to be
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a delegate back in 2016 I ended up not
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doing it because it was already I
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already knew who’s winning and I I
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didn’t care so she is talking to the
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people who are responsible for getting
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her into office she is talking to the
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people who are responsible for getting
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her into office and she refused to
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answer a question that the libertarian
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party recently made a part of their
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deployment platform thank you I was
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going to say pillars and I was like
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that’s not the right word part of their
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platform that the libertarian party
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recently made a part of their platform
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that sex work is real work and if you
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choose to perform sex where you should
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be allowed to without fear of
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consequence from the state and she said
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that is not something the voters care
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about well that is something that your
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voters care about whether or not that’s
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something that the general public voters
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care about okay maybe you’re right maybe
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I don’t know I honestly don’t know I
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haven’t gone out and take taking a poll
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but I noticed something that
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libertarians believe in libertarians
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stand up for and libertarians care about
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so when you say that’s not something
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that voters care about you are saying I
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don’t care what you care about I’m
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worried about everybody else yeah and
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you’re also saying that you’re going to
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hide and refuse to answer questions
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right every single time a reporter asked
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you something controversial which is
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really just a great way to win an
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election is to look like you’re hiding
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something so that was so that was sort
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of the flavor that everyone was tasting
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in their mouth when the debate started
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because that was just a few hours
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earlier and and so without further ado
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we can get started with the with the
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South Carolina Libertarian Party debate
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we have the audio and with oh we are
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missing the openings yeah so so we have
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part of the opening so it actually
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starts in the middle of or towards the
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end of Vermin Supreme speech Kim rough
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Dan Berman Adam Koch ash and I think Joe
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Jorgenson and I think Joe Jorgenson just
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in the middle of the vermin supreme yeah
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yeah towards middle to end of the vermin
26:32
supreme speech and then and then we get
26:34
Ken and then and then the actual debate
26:36
starts because we do not have video I
26:40
will be switching off with my little
26:44
handy dandy switcher here and showing
26:46
the face of whoever’s talking in the
26:48
middle here so without further ado also
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for for anybody who wanted to know this
26:52
debate was being hosts being moderated
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sorry it was supposed to be hosted by us
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it’s being hosted by us right now but it
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was supposed to be it was moderated by
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Matt Welsh from reason I have a picture
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him to see dirt at large
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I got adder enlarged of Reason magazine
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and so without further ado here is the
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beginning of vermin speech or the end of
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vermin speech which is the beginning of
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what we have for the debate I am not on
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all the time
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and I am NOT a full-time disrupter what
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I am is a very reasonable man with a
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reasonable offer on the table to offer
27:29
this boot to the LP to help harness them
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to bring many many young people to the
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yard on the viral ‘ti of my me meanness
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on the internet and beyond
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thank you ken Armstrong please
27:48
he said we should do what we should like
27:52
puppet out the voices like we well
27:56
except it would just be our mouths like
27:58
you would be killer I’m strong and I
27:59
would be Dan Byrne
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I’m not against doing that I just but I
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haven’t heard this so I can’t do well
28:06
that’s the problem so guys we actually
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haven’t heard most of this yep so you’re
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getting we’re getting this pretty much
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as new as you are so hi there I’m Ken
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Armstrong and first of all I just want
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to say how amazing it is to be on stage
28:23
at Francis Marion University think about
28:27
this this place is named for one of our
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nation’s original freedom fighters a
28:34
killer a massive amount of law
28:35
enforcement officer and I like to think
28:37
that Francis Marion would be proud of
28:39
the six people standing on the stage
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today I have a fire in my belly for what
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we’re doing you can’t see it but it’s
28:49
there I promise I’m very very serious
28:53
about this
28:54
my wife Don and I have put our entire
28:57
lives on hold everything we own is in
29:01
the back of the car our buddy
29:03
Earl has been diligently driving us from
29:06
whistle stop to whistle stop but we have
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put ourselves on hold and we have met
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hundreds of people in the 40 states that
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we’ve been to so far eight more to visit
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in the continental United States but we
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passionately want to participate in the
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change that this country needs to see
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all right so let’s explain how this is
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gonna go I will ask questions most of
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them will be same question for all six
29:36
candidates to ponder and discuss they
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will have 60 seconds with which to
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answer again the monitor is right there
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if they happen to name somebody else or
29:46
call somebody out in some way that
29:47
deserves from merits a response that
29:49
person will then have 30 seconds to
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respond and I will choose the order I
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should say I will delegate the choosing
29:56
of the order by pressing this magic
29:58
button on random.org as opposed to
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trying to think through it myself all
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right so this first question shout out
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to a random.org will go to Adam Co cash
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and will go to everybody else but he’ll
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take first crack at it this week there’s
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been some large amounts of news on a
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topic that has been divisive to a lot of
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libertarian or libertarian leaners both
30:20
in terms of audience and also
30:22
legislators and that is the House of
30:25
Representative this voting to launch an
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inquiry of impeachment against President
30:29
Donald Trump and the question to you
30:30
Adam Co cash and everybody else is had
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you been in Congress would you have
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voted yes and then also in your
30:37
judgments from what we know so far
30:39
has the president engaged in impeachable
30:41
conduct that’s worth voting him out I
30:45
would absolutely vote for impeachment
30:48
not just for President Trump but for
30:50
every member of Congress myself included
30:54
as Donald Trump committed impeachable
30:56
conduct different scholars will draw the
31:00
line in different places but it really
31:02
doesn’t matter has he engaged in
31:03
criminal conduct absolutely and that’s
31:07
what matters because this is a
31:10
fundamentally criminal government that
31:14
is unfit to exist too Spooner shoutout
31:19
there Tim rough no I would not
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necessarily have voted in favor of it
31:25
because the grounds upon which hinges is
31:27
specious however I do think there’s
31:30
plenty of things that you could hold
31:32
Trump accountable for ungood indeed
31:33
impeach him for one of which is
31:35
continuing the unconstitutional war in
31:37
Yemen but of course in order to do that
31:39
you would also have to go after Obama
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for starting
31:42
and that would make the whole thing
31:43
unravel right now it’s just political
31:46
theater they’re doing it because they’re
31:47
trying to put themselves in position to
31:49
look like the better option in 2020 but
31:52
we obviously know they’re not Ken
31:56
Armstrong would you have voted to
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impeach and do you think there’s a
31:59
beautiful conduct there here comes the
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boy well yes I do think there’s some
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peach herbal conduct but beyond that I
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think that that the entire government is
32:08
proving to us that it’s time for a
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change and I’ll just say quite simply
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I’m we’re ready to make that change
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right now what’s that the picture oh
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crap I don’t know if voting for
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impeachment is the right thing I mean I
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really think there should be a
32:25
continuous impeachment proceeding all
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the time for every single president
32:30
including myself because I mean really
32:32
shouldn’t we be keeping a pretty close
32:34
eye on these guys and what they’re doing
32:35
they’re doing so many things they’re
32:37
continuing drone bombings they’re
32:39
continuing illegal tax collection
32:41
they’re continuing seizing property and
32:43
and territories from other places
32:45
they’re engaging in criminal wars I
32:48
think absolutely we need that to
32:50
continue going but I don’t think it’s
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something we should we should have a
32:52
voting process holding up I think that’s
32:54
something that should just always be
32:56
there firm and supreme yes sure why not
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looks constitutional and probably
33:06
outstanding you should work in
33:09
journalism and Joe Jorgenson take us out
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no I would not vote to impeach however I
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think we need to look at all the
33:16
congressmen by the way this is the
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highest resolution photo that exists of
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Joe Jorgenson big government and make
33:30
government small thank you round 2 the
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random generator likes atom Co cash so
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he will again be the first to answer the
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following question another bit of news
33:41
this week I think it happened on Friday
33:43
senator Elizabeth Warren a leading
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candidate for president came out with
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what she says is her plan to pay for
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Medicare for all
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against the backdrop of course of a 23
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trillion dollar national debt and
33:56
all kinds of entitlements and and things
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going forward trying to narrow the
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question I would say this what do you
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think should be done particularly from
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the federal government’s point of view
34:08
to Medicare Medicare itself and
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especially with them in mind of people
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who have been promised to receive it or
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who are receiving it right now localize
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it get it down to the state look by the
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way we met the girl who took this
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picture
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she was a lovely she was she was very
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sweet she was incredibly sweet
34:28
I want my pictures that she took of me
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well for starters ultimately down to be
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level this is what this campaign
34:33
platform is based on and this is what
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unites people and I’m just gonna oh yes
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all right it’s working yeah there’s this
34:42
ongoing thing with the mic all right to
34:44
mention some of the cook yeah steel
34:47
dance yeah we good all right there was
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some technological if you were men at
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least the clock is paused we good all
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right I’ll run through this really yeah
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is there a bug somewhere all right a big
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part of this idea of localizations that
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are really unites people and brings
35:26
people together and we have a huge group
35:28
of coalition’s military for coca SH with
35:30
Afghanistan veteran Adam house felons
35:32
for khopesh with Norman Summerville who
35:34
is an actual felon stoner scope for Co
35:37
cash with none other than GI Mary Jane
35:39
the commander in chief herself
35:41
Joey Lee women for Coke cash gun owners
35:43
GSM Christians gamers all great
35:46
coalition’s but today I want to
35:48
introduce Chris Cole with victims of
35:51
family law for kokeshi he is a survivor
35:53
of a brutal divorce and custody battle
35:56
here with his oh I saw that guy yeah
35:58
with his kids in them he’s a father who
36:00
wants to end the family court racket so
36:02
that his kids will never have to fear
36:04
being taken away from them by government
36:07
it is it is
36:09
shame that we live in a country where
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that’s a reality getting government down
36:12
to the community level unites people
36:14
brings people in and that’s what we have
36:16
the potential to do with this message
36:18
thank you thanks for the time and mic
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flexibility there everybody goat being
36:24
sacrificed in the front row that’s
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that’s the best like buzzer I’ve heard
36:28
that’s great
36:30
Berman supreme Medicare Elizabeth Warren
36:34
what would you do with Medicare vermin
36:35
supreme well in the hypothetical and
36:37
highly unlikely situation that I was
36:39
president of America president only do
36:41
so much blah blah blah of course those
36:43
who have been promised Medicare and I
36:45
received another previous agreement and
36:46
veterans who are receiving vets care
36:48
these are contracts that they’re so the
36:51
US government obviously contractually
36:53
obligated to uphold them at some point
36:55
so I would maintain that’s important
36:57
thing whether that’s through their
36:58
privatization of it as long as they can
36:59
guarantee that care and other than that
37:02
of course privatize it free-market
37:03
platitudes etc etc etc thank you Jim
37:08
ruff he said privatize it free-market
37:13
platitudes etc etc etc this guy’s he’s
37:21
running a serious campaign
37:23
he’s running a seer and he’s one of the
37:26
top polling people I don’t know what the
37:29
delegate whip count looks like right now
37:31
but in straw polls online straw polls
37:34
and opinion polls he’s a Tanner at were
37:37
near the top of of them right which says
37:41
a lot about and he talks about this and
37:44
they’ll probably talk about small in the
37:45
debate but he says a vote for me is a
37:47
vote wasted meaning a vote for me is
37:50
saying I don’t take this process
37:52
seriously I don’t think any of these
37:54
people are telling the truth so I’m
37:56
going to vote for a person who acts who
37:58
portrays himself as a clown and to send
38:02
a message that you know that we don’t
38:06
buy your nonsense anymore free-market
38:09
platitudes etc etc but anyway here good
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here’s Kim ruff ideal answer for us as
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libertarians is that we would want to
38:17
privatize health care you have a right
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to life but you don’t have a right to
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health care
38:22
however we are in a situation where we
38:24
have made a commitment to people that
38:26
who have banked on having that health
38:28
care so in order to phase it out
38:30
entirely we would have to basically put
38:32
a moratorium on it no new entrants
38:34
anyone that we made a commitment to we
38:36
would continue to pay on that until that
38:38
commitment runs its course and then
38:40
hopefully from that point on it would
38:42
become privatized and people would stop
38:44
looking to government for the answer I’m
38:47
Joe Jorgensen Medicare I think all
38:51
libertarians understand that Medicare
38:53
for all means Medicare for none the
38:55
problem with the old two parties is they
38:57
keep focusing on how are we going to pay
38:59
these bloated prices under their policy
39:03
expenses keep going up and up and up
39:06
what I would do is I would look at
39:08
cutting the cost side so that expenses
39:10
go down and of course we need as many
39:12
people into the free market as possible
39:14
that’s part of the problem with Medicare
39:16
is there are no free market competition
39:19
there’s no free market competition to
39:22
hold costs down but to answer your last
39:24
question absolutely I would follow
39:25
through on the government following
39:28
through on helping those who need it Dan
39:31
taxation is that well what was that last
39:33
thing right I’m gonna help those who
39:36
need it right is she saying is there any
39:41
chance you can rewind that and replay
39:43
that one ah good question
39:46
a the best line just signed in Chelsea
39:50
thank you for joining us see what I can
39:55
do here after Behrman Medicare Oh
39:59
taxation is theft and that kind of ruins
40:01
the whole I am out of the way parties
40:04
they keep focusing on how are we going
40:06
to pay for me to go back so their policy
40:10
expenses keep going up and up and up
40:12
what I would do is I would look at
40:14
cutting the cost side so that expenses
40:17
go down and of course we need as many
40:19
people into the free market as possible
40:21
that’s part of the problem with Medicare
40:23
is there are no free market competition
40:26
there’s no free market competition to
40:28
hold costs down but to answer your last
40:30
question absolutely I would follow
40:32
through on the government following
40:35
through on helping
40:36
those who need it on the government’s
40:38
helping through helping following
40:42
through on helping those following
40:44
through on right that is not a she’s now
40:49
saying she’s going to be utilizing the
40:51
government to give Medicare she
40:57
literally just did what vermin was
41:00
making fun of free-market platitudes etc
41:05
etc she started with oh we need free
41:07
market competition we need a free market
41:09
we need a free market and then she’s
41:10
like yeah also the government needs to
41:12
help those who need it meaning the
41:14
government decides who need things
41:16
who needs things but vermin’s not the
41:21
serious candidate right
41:23
anyway dan taxation is theft Berman
41:27
Medicare Oh taxation is theft and that
41:31
kind of ruins the whole health care
41:33
system that we have right now I’ve been
41:35
to so many other countries and I spend
41:37
most of my time in Mexico and I’ve
41:39
really seen what happens it’s illegal to
41:42
import medication into the United States
41:43
that you can buy cheaper outside of the
41:46
United States and it’s not because
41:47
they’re worried about quality control or
41:49
anything like that it’s actually
41:50
manufactured in the United States and
41:52
exported and you just can’t bring it
41:53
back in and it’s cheaper in other
41:55
countries because they know people can’t
41:56
afford it but here they know they can
41:58
price gouge us they know we have all
41:59
these systems in place where the
42:01
government is gonna have to pay for it
42:02
really the Democrats as much as it
42:05
sounds like maybe they’re
42:06
well-intentioned to say look we want to
42:07
make sure that everybody has health care
42:09
it’s a wonderful plan their plan is
42:11
going to continue to keep the prices
42:13
high it’s going to continue to keep the
42:15
1% of the corporation’s making millions
42:17
of dollars on their investments on their
42:18
protected monopolies and we are just
42:21
going all they’re doing is they’re
42:22
getting more people to pay for it
42:23
they’re getting more people to share and
42:25
that 1% is still gonna get it that means
42:26
the healthy people are also going to be
42:28
paying the sick people are going to be
42:29
paying and it’s a ripoff Ken Armstrong
42:35
well our simple libertarian answer is
42:38
obviously that the government doesn’t
42:40
make things more affordable and and
42:43
everything they run they run in
42:45
to the ground so clearly I’m not in
42:48
favor of a metaphor medicare-for-all
42:49
plan but bigger than that is that the
42:52
damage that is being done to our
42:55
children and our grandchildren by this
42:57
mountain of debt that were accruing
43:00
right now our debt to gross domestic
43:04
product ratio right now is a hundred and
43:08
three percent we owe more than we’re
43:11
making and and you know if you did that
43:14
in your own life that spells bankruptcy
43:16
I think right now we’ve got the right
43:18
guy in the White House to manage your
43:20
bankruptcy he’s been pretty good at that
43:22
in the past so maybe that’s what he has
43:24
in mind all right
43:26
the random generator here wants room so
43:29
real quick Matt skill one to ten how
43:32
depressed are you that these people who
43:35
largely are saying stuff we agree with
43:39
are getting tens and hundreds of people
43:43
tuning in maybe thousands of people
43:45
tuning into what they have to say as
43:47
opposed to Democrats and Republicans who
43:51
argue with each other over which one’s
43:53
more horrible I’m actually not all that
44:02
I’m not a I’m not all that depressed
44:05
because when I’m not because you have
44:09
you have this field of candidates right
44:12
now and you’ve got Kim roughed in Berman
44:15
Adam Koch vermin supreme Joe Jorgensen
44:18
and Ken Armstrong you can take Ken
44:26
Armstrong he’s not libertarian and you
44:29
know he’s not every and every answer he
44:31
is giving is not a libertarian answer it
44:34
is an answer the is constitutional so
44:40
you may be able to put him in a
44:41
constitutionalist but he is not
44:43
libertarian in his answers yeah I agree
44:46
with that the answer that he gave on the
44:48
Medicare he didn’t really say anything
44:50
about he said first what we need to him
44:52
like he didn’t say anything about
44:53
Medicare he just said we need to worry
44:55
about spending
44:56
we need to look at spending and oh we’re
44:58
spending more than we’re spending more
45:00
money than we have coming up so what I
45:02
need to cut he didn’t focus on what he
45:05
would do with the Medicare and how he
45:07
would fix that all right um Joe
45:10
Jorgensen like you know like you said
45:12
pre-market platitude etc etc it was show
45:15
me we need the government to help us
45:19
Vermin literally said what she was going
45:21
to say and then she cat couldn’t help
45:24
but do exactly that um so yeah I mean I
45:28
would say that you’ve got Kim and Dan
45:32
who are probably the most principled in
45:34
terms of free-market libertarianism and
45:37
then you’ve got vermin who is a
45:38
self-described
45:39
you know left inner critics credit to
45:41
Adam where it’s due yeah yeah I’ll give
45:44
out yep that’s true I will give out him
45:46
that he’s been giving good answers and
45:48
and I’m finally sounds like he’s been
45:50
given great answers Adam Adam is really
45:53
good at giving the correct answer I’m
45:58
not making it sound like he’s just
46:00
saying a bumper sticker or one of the
46:02
statements that all of us have memorized
46:04
right right
46:05
he was the one guy that got at the
46:07
convention he got a fairly hearty clap
46:10
from me when he said that the
46:12
Constitution was a usurping of power
46:15
from the Articles of Confederation and I
46:17
was trying not to clap because I was
46:18
recording each of the speeches and I
46:21
could help myself um so yeah so okay
46:23
yeah so and all right so we’ll just keep
46:27
going with this Minster cream to ask
46:29
that answer the following question first
46:32
again ripped out of the news over the
46:34
last a couple of weeks President Trump
46:37
announced that we were he was going to
46:39
withdraw or transfer some US troops out
46:42
of the Kurdish control part of Syria
46:44
kind of get them out of the way for
46:47
Turkey to do what Turkey did which is
46:49
engage in in some atrocities in in
46:52
Turkey the president sold this as hey we
46:56
should stop doing regime change wars in
46:57
the Middle East which I think a lot of
46:59
people on this stage and in this room
47:00
would agree with so there’s two part
47:03
question and maybe in mind with your
47:05
recent appearance on the WTF podcast
47:09
as well two part is just how do you
47:11
assess what Trump did in with the troops
47:13
in Syria period what do you think about
47:15
that and then perhaps trickier assuming
47:20
as most libertarian candidates favor
47:23
withdrawing US troops wherever and
47:26
whenever possible how do you do it in
47:27
such a way that it doesn’t end in
47:29
atrocities well I believe there was so
47:32
few troops involved that it was very
47:34
marginal and he did not really withdraw
47:36
them he just moved he shuffled them
47:38
around essentially sold out the Kurds
47:39
and that certainly stiffs the US and any
47:42
sort of foreign entanglements that they
47:44
might want to enter into the future I
47:46
think we can just take it back to the
47:48
basic libertarian platform that we do
47:50
not stand for any foreign entanglements
47:52
and that we do we maintain a military
47:55
only as big as we need to protect
47:57
ourselves from a foreign invasion and
48:01
then we’d keep it to keep it real and
48:03
keep a chill and don’t don’t be going
48:06
over disease to all these wars and
48:09
endless Wars etc so I think it’s a as
48:11
far as Trump’s little move it’s an
48:12
illusion it’s a geopolitical fuckup and
48:16
what was the rest of question that’s
48:18
about it okay
48:19
and once again I am working on a
48:20
universal Pony care for all you do get
48:22
an apple a day a sugar cube if you’ve
48:24
been really nice unfortunately if you
48:26
break a leg we have to put you down
48:28
that’s the herbermann go before bringing
48:32
out the via Pony care Joe Jorgensen
48:34
assessing what the president Trump did
48:37
with troops in Syria and then also the
48:40
question of how do you manage sort of
48:43
u.s. Imperial withdrawal in such a way
48:45
it’s not leave of populations vulnerable
48:47
well I certainly agree with trunk that
48:49
we need to bring our troops home if
48:51
elected president I would turn America
48:54
into one giant Switzerland armed in
48:58
neutral but enough forces to protect and
49:01
defend American soil and more American
49:04
shores from what I would refuse to send
49:07
one more young person over to foreign
49:10
land to vote for foreign dictators for
49:13
foreign intentions in the end I’m
49:16
looking for peace but peace through
49:18
being one giant Switzerland atom kokeshi
49:22
started tonight
49:23
talking about your own history of what
49:24
what do you think about Trump’s move and
49:26
how to manage withdrawal well as you
49:29
think vermin’s summation of the
49:32
deception there was right on that oh my
49:39
lord it’s just the implant interfering
49:41
with the signal yeah serious keep going
49:44
with this one
49:45
yeah all right time all right
49:52
there’s so much deception in our foreign
49:55
policy we get it through a corrupt
49:56
mainstream media we know that it’s built
49:58
on lies but even deeper than that that
50:02
it was so real quick pause this go ahead
50:09
no no matter what no matter what you
50:14
think of a candidate whether you like
50:16
Adam whether you hate that and whether
50:17
you know any of these cans it doesn’t
50:19
matter I think this happens to other
50:20
people as well this is gonna throw off
50:24
the rhythm that you have planned out
50:27
this is you can tell it like Adam is
50:31
actually a very charismatic speaker yeah
50:34
but this keeps throwing him off and you
50:37
can even though you can’t see him you
50:40
can hear it you can feel it in the way
50:42
that he’s talked
50:42
oh of course yeah because every time he
50:46
starts getting into his rhythm and
50:48
getting that khopesh charm he is being
50:53
thrown up because the mic just goes away
50:55
it’s just like he’ll be he’ll be doing
50:57
his thing and then all of sudden is
50:59
bright then he has to then he has to
51:03
kind of go back to okay where was I how
51:06
do it
51:06
can I get back to that spot and Adams
51:08
gonna struggle with this the entire
51:10
debate the entire debate microphone
51:12
problem yeah I mean Matt think about the
51:15
times we’ve had technical issues
51:16
audio/video issues and whatever how much
51:18
it screws with us and you know you’re in
51:22
front of a bunch of people about a
51:24
hundred people or whatever which he’s
51:26
used to but you’re in front of a bunch
51:27
of people you’re trying to you know you
51:30
know talk in intelligently and
51:31
articulately and make different points
51:34
than every other libertarian or every
51:35
other
51:36
on stage there so you don’t just sound
51:37
like a cookie cutter and every time
51:41
you’re trying to get into your groove of
51:42
what you’re trying to say it cuts off
51:44
and everyone laughs right
51:47
like I mean what it’s tough yeah you
51:50
know you can argue well he got more time
51:52
but more time to what to look like
51:54
somewhat had it informed so I don’t know
51:56
if it was intentional or not because
51:57
then he would get other people’s
51:58
microphones and they’re theirs would
51:59
mess up too I mean it was it was a it
52:03
was unfortunate for him I don’t think
52:04
I’m not sure I’d say anyone was
52:06
intentionally trying to do anything to
52:07
him but it definitely was not it was not
52:09
helpful for him to try to you know get a
52:12
groove you know with that to try to try
52:17
to do it but yeah it was pretty much the
52:18
whole debate that this that this was on
52:20
and off a problem so it’s a problem so
52:27
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52:33
he’s still looking for a mic here yeah
52:37
all right I just get to stand a little
52:39
closer to my friend Dan here all right
52:45
it’s obviously a very personal subject
52:48
for me so it’s not hard to to get to the
52:51
importance of this because we are
52:52
talking about matters of life and death
52:54
and you can’t just talk about it as a
52:56
matter of policy and the principle
52:58
that’s behind the message of
53:00
libertarianism of freedom is so critical
53:03
to a strong national defense
53:05
the fact is having a military makes us
53:09
less safe that’s why the founders were
53:13
against a standing army and I don’t just
53:15
mean in the sense of the foreign
53:17
adventurism that I was a part of and all
53:19
the the terrorists that we made by
53:21
killing their families when they were
53:23
innocent but in a more fundamental sense
53:25
there’s a reason why the founders
53:27
advocated for a militia base defense a
53:30
rifle behind every blade of grass you
53:34
want to be like Switzerland take the
53:36
defense away from the government give it
53:38
back to the people
53:41
Kim ruff
53:47
question was how do I assess what Trump
53:49
did yes usually with politics what
53:52
happens is we are fed one thing we’re
53:54
told that this is being done in the best
53:56
interest of X Y Z and then when variably
53:58
what they do is not n even close to that
54:00
in this case vermin is absolutely right
54:03
on the money he was effectively
54:04
sidestepping we didn’t take anybody back
54:06
home we said the words but we didn’t
54:08
bring anybody back we just said it
54:10
insofar as preventing a vacuum that
54:13
creates a terrible atrocity to occur the
54:16
terrible atrocities will occur whether
54:18
or not we create a vacuum and that is
54:20
the lie that has been perpetuated
54:22
forever
54:23
to keep us involved in these
54:25
entanglements I reject it wholesale what
54:29
goes on in other countries is not our
54:31
problem we are not the world’s police it
54:33
is not our job to have our finger in
54:35
every pie we have a responsibility to
54:37
care for ourselves here at home instead
54:40
of sending our men and women overseas to
54:43
die on other soil and kill those there
54:46
let us come home completely ken
54:51
Armstrong who has a bit more experience
54:52
with NATO’s I think than most people in
54:54
this stage that’s right yeah so ken is
54:57
actually a former NATO commander base as
55:01
all good libertarians are he’s literally
55:03
about to say Oh former NATO base
55:08
commander and a NATO UN adviser in the
55:10
Bosnian war and the thing that I learned
55:12
and saying in that kind of service is
55:16
that war is a horrible thing I don’t
55:20
love war any more than a firefighter
55:22
loves fires I will say that it’s
55:26
probably the one and only time this
55:28
evening that you’ll say you’ll hear me
55:30
say that I agree with Donald Trump
55:32
but I agree that we needed to pull the
55:35
the young American servicemembers out of
55:39
Syria the problem is not that he did it
55:42
the problem is the way that he did it
55:43
and we could go into that for hours but
55:46
then he turned around and sent 3,000
55:50
young people to Saudi Arabia he’s saying
55:53
that their advisers if they were
55:55
advisers they could Skype it in from
55:57
poolside in Vegas they don’t need to go
55:59
to some
56:00
going there as human shields dan
56:04
taxation is theft permit take us home
56:09
to quote Ron Paul we just marched in we
56:13
can just march out now I know a lot of
56:15
people they’re worried because there are
56:17
some pretty nasty people around the
56:19
world dictators organizations that want
56:22
to do some really bad things but it’s
56:24
not our government’s job to steal from
56:27
people to pay for arms to send people
56:31
over to these other places who have
56:33
nothing to do with it and force them to
56:35
surrender their lives for these causes
56:38
we need to something else that that not
56:41
a whole lot of people are talking about
56:42
is we need to ground the drones these
56:45
drones are out there blowing up schools
56:47
hospitals and weddings it’s it’s insane
56:52
what we’re doing now the concern is what
56:54
do we do about all this all these
56:55
tragedies around the world with all
56:57
these dictators there are plenty of
56:59
people who are from there who I know
57:01
people personally who have gone to these
57:03
places from America to go fight for
57:05
their family
57:07
some as soldiers some as doctors we can
57:10
all do that voluntarily but we can’t
57:12
steal from people and force others to
57:14
engage in these things thank you dan the
57:18
randomizer again likes Adam khopesh
57:20
you’ll get the first crack at the
57:22
following okay guys we are where we go
57:24
any further as I’m as I mentioned before
57:26
we have some we had some really cool
57:29
really cool interviews that we did
57:31
called red carpet interviews and really
57:36
weird how I can see that portion of my
57:39
body just yeah we did these really good
57:46
cool red carpet interviews shoutout to
57:48
Desiree Lindsey for the idea of taking a
57:50
tiny red carpet to do interviews with
57:52
shout-out to my phone for sucking and
57:54
not working and so because of my phone
57:57
which I’m shouting out to the we ended
58:00
up having a situation where we couldn’t
58:02
actually hook up a mic to shout out to
58:04
Matt’s iPhone for not being able to just
58:07
take a regular microphone Jack like a
58:08
phone just a normal phone could Mike’s
58:11
phone for not having cloud store
58:13
so he could just store everything on the
58:15
cloud and also true yeah so shout out to
58:18
just a lot of different things and so
58:19
because of this the audio is not great
58:22
so I did noise reduction but I also had
58:24
to add captions so that you can hear
58:26
what they’re set you can read what
58:27
they’re saying but uh really fun
58:29
interviews the first one with Matthew
58:31
Hicks who is uh just a beautiful man
58:35
he’s also the new second vice-chair of
58:39
the Libertarian Party and he was the
58:41
head of security at the Days event and
58:45
you’re gonna really enjoy that fact in a
58:48
moment post debate then I’m here doing a
58:59
red carpet this is Versace it’s a no
59:12
it’s cotton it’s it’s fair trade cotton
59:14
fair trade fair trade woven and spun
59:17
cotton absolutely so what do you think
59:27
about what happened to be at the event
59:30
which part of the convention first the
59:33
convention first well what I think
59:35
happened the convention is that
59:37
somewhere around eight ish has started
59:41
drinking scotch and somewhere around 11
59:44
ish I was out of scotch right so then I
59:46
started drinking beer and then somewhere
59:49
around right now drinking beer that’s
59:54
also fair trade is fair trade Miller
59:56
electric chair trade Miller Lite I like
59:58
fair trade because because by God we
60:01
don’t want brown people abreast for my
60:03
beer right
60:06
[Music]
60:09
No and then at the debate over your
60:12
brother’s a hot take is that nobody’s
60:18
radical uh no nobody’s radical enough
60:23
which I’m not for plenty of really good
60:26
reasons every question would have been
60:28
answered with fuck you am I being
60:31
detained
60:31
but no that was never the answer so as
60:37
you know when you’re not strutting your
60:39
stuff so what do you have to say to
60:49
people executed dad
60:53
what I have to say to anybody that
60:55
thinks had is that they can just go kick
60:57
rocks no bottom line of it as far as I’m
61:02
concerned in as far as you all should be
61:05
concerned here is be bold be fearless
61:09
you know what the hell is right on this
61:11
do we live your fucking principles quit
61:15
being so it got weird after that and I I
61:45
cut off that to making oh yeah cuz they
61:49
do it got it got a bit much it got a bit
61:53
much guys but uh but yeah so so we have
61:56
a few of those to go through he was
61:58
definitely the best-dressed Tyler he was
62:02
he was definitely the best-dressed I
62:05
thought he was Jesus until I was
62:06
reminded of the dude from from The Big
62:10
Lebowski but he also looked like Jesus
62:12
but um without further ado here what’s
62:17
that got to to the debate
62:22
living through what I think can safely
62:24
be described as a bipartisan anti social
62:27
media freak out there’s a bit of a panic
62:30
or at least a very concentrated amount
62:33
of concern of patron Turing’s win
62:36
syndrome no no no it’s more like Silicon
62:39
Valley derangement syndrome of anything
62:41
else both a Democratic Party and
62:42
Republican Party each in their different
62:45
ways are agreeing on new ideas so
62:47
regulating Facebook regulating Twitter
62:49
talking about what kind of advertisement
62:52
should be allowed not even like getting
62:55
into algorithms Ted Cruz is very very
62:57
obsessed about how many retweets he’s
62:58
getting and not getting so my question
63:01
is in your assessment do the big tech
63:06
companies your Amazon your Google your
63:08
Apple Facebook Twitter do they have too
63:12
much power just especially on things
63:15
having to do with free speech and then
63:17
what if anything should the federal
63:18
government do about that that’s a great
63:21
question I have well that’s a little too
63:24
laughs for a moderator a bit oh yes me
63:30
from having built a career around a
63:32
YouTube channel spent a lot of time put
63:35
a lot of hours and building it up to a
63:37
quarter million subs some 70 something
63:39
million views and used to be able to
63:42
make an income doing that this is
63:43
affected a lot of youtubers a lot of
63:46
people in independent media a lot of
63:47
people you know who you might have
63:49
gotten your news from in the past and
63:52
right now we’re getting proportionately
63:55
to those subscribers about 125th of the
64:00
exposure that we’re supposed to get it’s
64:02
really easy to complain this is a huge
64:04
problem and it’s really tempting to turn
64:07
to government and say let’s break up the
64:08
monopolies let’s let’s fight this power
64:11
that shouldn’t exist are they too
64:12
powerful absolutely but more importantly
64:15
their power is not legitimate it comes
64:18
from a government policy of corporatism
64:21
that favors big business you take that
64:23
away if they’re gonna be powerful make
64:25
it make them earn it and subject them to
64:27
real competition ken Armstrong it’s big
64:32
tech too big
64:34
governments have a role in changing the
64:36
federal government the way that it is
64:38
regulated you know it seems to me that a
64:40
real good idea for government is if
64:42
anybody ever starts making trouble for
64:44
them they ought to just regulate the
64:46
hell out of them because that’ll make
64:48
sure that they can’t make trouble
64:49
anymore I think the the biggest problem
64:51
with social media although I do
64:54
absolutely agree that federal
64:57
regulations corporatist mentality and
65:00
government have made them bigger than
65:01
they need to be but the biggest problem
65:04
of social media is the problem they
65:06
present for the government because the
65:08
government has such a hard time
65:09
controlling them Tim Roth with respect
65:17
to the question on whether or not these
65:18
tech companies have too much power only
65:21
in the sense that they do get benefits
65:23
from the existence of government they’re
65:25
too entrenched and they are powerful
65:27
because of that symbiotic relationship
65:29
if that symbiotic relationship was
65:31
completely destroyed and it was indeed
65:33
left up to the free market to decide any
65:35
success that they have would be on their
65:37
own merit insofar as politicians being
65:41
bothered about not getting the tweets
65:43
that they desired well maybe you should
65:45
step up your game and your content
65:48
Jorgensen is big tech too big and should
65:52
something be done yes big tech is too
65:56
big however we’ve got to look at how it
65:58
got there to begin with
65:59
yes corporate legislation and rules have
66:02
gotten us there but also what a lot of
66:05
people don’t look at is some of the
66:07
government research and some of the
66:09
government practices be given away free
66:12
to some of these companies and so rather
66:14
than doing their own R&D; or rather than
66:16
inventing their own things
66:19
taxpayers end up helping them create
66:22
some of these platforms and then they
66:24
get to profit from us not the taxpayers
66:27
dan taxation is theft Behrman yes these
66:32
businesses are too big yes they have too
66:34
much power and yes something should be
66:36
done about it we should leave
66:38
we have the freedom to leave and there
66:40
are so many other platforms that the
66:42
problem is most people look at those
66:43
platforms and say well that’s not
66:45
legitimate why aren’t they legitimate
66:46
why don’t they have that feeling
66:47
legitimacy why because where’s Trump
66:50
Trump’s on Twitter where are all the
66:52
people on CNN and and all the big-name
66:54
mainstream media where are they they’re
66:56
all on Twitter Facebook some of them are
66:58
getting on Instagram and some of the
67:00
newer ones YouTube but guess what none
67:02
of them are moving over to other places
67:04
that that are considered darkweb maybe
67:07
but there are so many other places that
67:09
we can take our business and when we do
67:11
that we get the real message by sites
67:14
that are not using algorithms to filter
67:16
what we see but the reality is people
67:19
don’t want to because they feel safe on
67:20
Facebook you could go to Reddit that’s
67:22
almost mainstream and there’s a lot of
67:24
information there but a lot of people
67:26
get angry when they go to Reddit they
67:29
get into fights so they feel much safer
67:31
with their friends and family back over
67:33
on Facebook this is a change that needs
67:35
to come from the people not from
67:37
government and deferments supreme agreed
67:42
all around
67:44
yes it’s very big and yes something
67:45
should be done as a meme of course I
67:48
would cease to exist if it was not for
67:50
the internet so I welcome the internet I
67:52
love the internet like Brett Kavanaugh
67:53
loves beer and so I just think it’s very
67:57
important that we should really free up
68:00
all the censorship all the government
68:02
regulations over the internet needs to
68:04
be destroyed all this ridiculous
68:05
alphabet soup things that they put forth
68:08
to gum up the works if you will need to
68:12
be thrown by the wayside and yes free
68:15
the internet free the people
68:16
decentralized etcetera etc thank you
68:19
remark etcetera etc free market thank
68:24
you
68:25
so are these social media companies too
68:30
big yeah yeah they’re but they’re too
68:35
big because we continue to go to a lot
68:39
of people say the Republican Party in
68:40
the Democratic Party has too much
68:42
control but then they say the
68:44
Libertarian Party the green part of the
68:45
Constitution Party the American
68:48
Socialist Party the American Communist
68:50
Party whoever none of these parties are
68:52
good enough they’re not going to make it
68:53
they’re never going to be these two
68:55
parties and it’s the same thing with
68:56
social media sites so right now
68:58
currently
69:01
our page on Facebook has been limited we
69:04
don’t know why yep we need stories from
69:07
our page are not being shown in news
69:09
feeds which is very very apparent area
69:12
right yeah and we are blocked from
69:15
sharing any links for the next week we
69:19
have no idea why they haven’t told us
69:21
what they won’t tell us why we’ve asked
69:23
them why to let us know so that we can
69:25
if it was something we unintentionally
69:26
did that we’ll never do it again because
69:28
we have gone from having a reach in the
69:30
last month we had a reach of close to 5
69:32
million to having a reach of like 10,000
69:38
I mean it is it’s a huge hit we are
69:42
currently having three and four times as
69:45
many shares of our content as we are of
69:48
any likes that means people are sharing
69:52
it and none of their friends are seeing
69:54
it in their newsfeed right like it’s a
69:56
huge huge problem they’re way too big
69:58
right but as we always say go to float
70:03
FL OTE app yep that is the social medias
70:08
like that you can go to and you won’t
70:09
deal with these issues so many people go
70:14
over to it they’re like well no my
70:15
friends are on it it’s not really a
70:16
legitimate site you know it won’t be
70:19
tout Facebook it has no chance to beat
70:22
out Twitter and it’s all the same
70:23
excuses on why they say third party
70:26
politicians won’t ever win right if
70:30
everybody makes the switch you you win
70:32
and it’s the same argument of if
70:34
everybody votes libertarian the
70:36
libertarian will win or if everybody
70:38
both votes Green Party the Green Party
70:40
will win or the everybody votes
70:42
Democratic Socialist the they’ll win if
70:45
everybody votes constitutionalist the
70:46
constitutionalist the constitution party
70:50
Constitution Party candidate will win
70:52
now you have a very strange look on your
70:56
face and I’m terrified
70:57
Kelsey Ryan just sent me on her app she
71:02
typed in muddy waters media and it said
71:05
no data available and she said I had to
71:08
go to your Facebook to find the live
71:10
feed currently if you want to see
71:12
anything from Muddy Waters media you
71:14
have
71:14
to actually visit our page or be tagged
71:18
in it and then manually go through our
71:21
timeline and look for stuff you’re not
71:22
gonna be notified that anything has
71:24
happened even if you’re following us
71:25
you’re not gonna see it in the newsfeed
71:27
again hopefully this ends whenever this
71:29
this temporary restriction ends because
71:32
it’s killing us but like Matt said
71:36
government’s not the answer
71:38
government will make it way worse
71:40
government will make you pay to get
71:41
treated like this right and more and
71:43
worse right the answer is us going over
71:47
to float and other other decentralized
71:49
free-market platforms that yeah they
71:52
want to make money but they also want a
71:54
free ability to to be able to you know
71:58
communicate with each other and not be
71:59
censored and not be you know a you know
72:05
yeah shadow band and throttled and it’ll
72:08
man band so no yeah but should the
72:12
government do anything no me as people
72:14
need to recognize that there is an issue
72:17
that there is a problem and we need to
72:20
look for alternatives
72:21
just like in breaking the duopoly we
72:24
need to figure out if there is a way
72:26
that we can break the stranglehold that
72:30
places like Facebook and Twitter and you
72:31
to have over the way that we communicate
72:36
in the way we get our media out yeah I
72:39
agree I agree so the the randomizer
72:43
wants a Dan taxation is theft Berman to
72:46
answer the following question first we
72:49
are living through moments when almost
72:51
all of the Democratic presidential
72:53
candidates are in favor of legalizing
72:55
marijuana this was not the case four
72:57
years ago and it certainly was never the
72:59
case before that it’s becoming if it’s
73:01
legal now and how many states people
73:03
nine something like that recreationally
73:05
definitely the momentum is going this
73:07
this this direction so libertarians who
73:10
have been talking about this since
73:12
libertarians were a thing from your
73:15
perspective what are the Democrats
73:17
getting wrong in the way that they are
73:21
going about legalizing marijuana and
73:23
doing these kind of overdue criminal
73:25
justice reforms
73:28
I think what they’re doing wrong is
73:30
they’re they’re trying to do what they
73:31
do best be government and micromanage
73:33
our lives they see that the people want
73:35
legalized cannabis and they say okay
73:37
fine we’ll give it to you but just a
73:39
little taste
73:40
we’re not gonna give you the whole thing
73:41
we want to control how much you have we
73:43
want to make sure the packages are
73:44
labeled we want to make sure you can
73:45
only buy it
73:46
from people who are paying us enormous
73:47
fees taxes people that we can rob you
73:52
have to buy it from them you can’t just
73:54
you can’t grow your own or if you do
73:56
you’re very limited in what you can do
73:58
not a single one of them will say you’re
74:01
free people go do whatever you want
74:02
that’s their problem they don’t
74:04
understand or respect freedom Kim ruff
74:09
and what way are new weed legalizing
74:12
friends in the Democratic Party doing it
74:14
wrong
74:15
they are doing it wrong in the sense
74:17
that just as Dan said they are trying to
74:19
effectively regulate it to the point of
74:21
not even if it’s a pittance basically
74:24
you have the ability to have marijuana
74:26
however you have to pay licenses if you
74:29
want to be a distributor you have to get
74:31
a medical marijuana ID in Arizona in our
74:33
case if you want to consume it you have
74:35
to pay taxes on it so they’re still very
74:38
heavily entrenched in your lives the
74:40
best way for them to actually deal with
74:42
it effectively is to tackle it on the
74:44
federal level and completely end the war
74:46
on drugs as it stands at least in the
74:48
state of Arizona where both Adam and I
74:49
live we have medical marijuana however
74:52
because of overarching federal
74:54
legislation if I wanted to get a medical
74:56
ID card well then I can kiss my firearms
74:59
goodbye because I won’t be sold any so
75:01
that’s where we really need to tack it
75:03
is at the federal level and that’s where
75:05
they’re failing Joe Jorgensen MOOC and
75:07
libertarians teach Democrats about
75:09
criminal justice reform yes first of all
75:12
there is still a law a federal law
75:14
outlawing it so that’s the first thing
75:16
that needs to be done is to get rid of
75:18
the federal law Joe Jorgenson by the way
75:21
ten years ago would have said that this
75:23
is not a question that she feels like
75:24
the voters care about yeah 20 years ago
75:28
definitely 20 years ago she would have
75:30
said she’s in favor of keeping it
75:32
illegal ten years ago she would have
75:34
said this is not a question I’m gonna
75:37
have her answer she’s answering it now
75:39
because Republicans and Democrat
75:41
they’re comfortable answering it I as a
75:46
federal candidate that’s all I could do
75:48
however I can speak and I would talk
75:51
with state representatives and local
75:53
representatives and for instance in
75:55
California there are still places where
75:57
you have to get a license in order to in
76:01
order to open up a store for instance
76:03
you have to get a certain license
76:05
something like forty percent of what
76:09
customers pay go straight to the
76:10
government and in fact instead of
76:13
illegal marijuana going down it’s
76:16
actually gone up because it’s still just
76:19
as profitable because it’s controlled so
76:22
much by the government so what we need
76:24
to do is get rid of those regulations
76:25
and make it truly illegal and not just
76:29
pay lip service to the word illegal Adam
76:34
Caucasian she mentally oh yeah it’s good
76:40
call really time flies when you’re
76:44
having fun all right well I love this
76:46
issue thank you for bringing it up Matt
76:48
and Verma not just because I love weed
76:51
as much as Brett Kavanaugh loves beer
76:53
but object with that did Matt Welch just
77:00
call him out for being high yeah to the
77:05
understanding of freedom how many of you
77:08
think cheeto Jesus never smoked pot I
77:11
mean that’s insane and the fact that he
77:14
is overseeing a system that criminalizes
77:16
marijuana smokers is the height of
77:18
hypocrisy and it’s so obvious it’s so
77:21
late bear now in the age of the Internet
77:23
the reason this is an important issue
77:26
that really gets to the heart of freedom
77:27
it’s such an effective gateway I’m proud
77:30
to say that we have stoners for khopesh
77:32
now with GI mary-jane leading the cause
77:35
here because when you realize that
77:38
government says you can’t put that in
77:40
your body they’re saying you don’t own
77:45
yourself in the millennial generation
77:48
people who grew up in the age of the
77:50
Internet
77:51
we’re not gonna put up with that crap
77:52
any
77:53
this is the end of the drug war we get
77:55
to make it happen urban supreme free the
78:03
weed free also higher end the people let
78:06
my people go
78:07
release all nonviolent offenders I smoke
78:10
dope I smoke grass if you don’t like it
78:12
you can kiss my ass the government has
78:14
no business in this business and the
78:16
government has no business doing any
78:18
business period thank you very much I’m
78:20
Burma supreme Christie chris Christie in
78:25
the CBS parking lot the CVS parking lot
78:28
after being kicked out of this after
78:29
being kicked out of the steak house he
78:32
then went to yeah yeah he walked across
78:34
the street and he started screaming that
78:36
chris Christie it works for him it’s but
78:44
I stand by for many years
78:46
good for him and Ken Armstrong you know
78:53
there’s not a single right that we have
78:56
that the government gives us we give the
79:00
government a very narrow and enumerated
79:03
sets of rights and controlling what we
79:07
you know that he’s a constitutionalist
79:09
he’s a constitutional and it’s it’s not
79:11
that we give them rights it’s that we
79:13
restrict what they are allowed to do
79:14
right and they flout that do in the
79:18
privacy of our own lives is really not
79:21
the right of the government so the
79:23
question of legalizing marijuana has
79:26
nothing to do with whether I like
79:28
marijuana or this is ASMR
79:30
constitutionalism of free speech it
79:33
depends on whether what you say is
79:35
something I like or not it is your right
79:38
to live freely in your life period
79:45
next round of questioning will start
79:47
with kim ruff perhaps appropriately
79:50
enough since it’s about what someone
79:52
might do in the practical world of being
79:55
a president which is a note that you had
79:57
a president the executive branch has a
80:00
lot of leeway as we have seen the last
80:01
three years in enforcing and setting the
80:04
terms of immigration law in particular
80:06
it’s a federal government role much more
80:08
than the state government role and
80:10
refugees can change and all kinds of
80:13
different things can change so thinking
80:15
about being the president of the United
80:16
States what would you change in the
80:18
current way that the executive branch is
80:20
enforcing or regulating or dealing with
80:22
immigration as it stands now all right
80:28
well as libertarian advocates for the
80:31
free movement of people there should be
80:33
no restraints or constrictions to who
80:36
comes here if they want to be here just
80:38
as there should be no restraints on to
80:40
who wants to leave should they desire to
80:42
do so
80:42
you should not restrict the movement of
80:44
people period and so far as the federal
80:46
government goes we have created all
80:48
these absurd constraints and criteria
80:51
for whether or not you qualify to come
80:53
here and live in America and a lot of
80:55
them are incredibly punitive to some of
80:57
the places where we’ve been trifling in
80:58
their foreign affairs this concern about
81:00
refugees from Syria this concern about
81:03
people from the Middle East who want to
81:05
come here and we’re afraid we’re gonna
81:06
end up with terrorists well we created
81:08
that very situation when the CIA went in
81:10
and overthrew the Shah this happens over
81:13
and over and over again if we want to
81:15
actually allow people to be truly free
81:17
we have to radically change our foreign
81:20
policy approach that’s where we start
81:22
and we allow people to come in and live
81:24
here and contribute to our economy by
81:26
being part of our brain trust
81:28
Berman’s supreme how does the Pony
81:31
toothbrush regime fax immigration I read
81:35
3.5 3.4 from the libertarian party
81:38
platform free trade of migration we
81:40
support the removal of government
81:42
impediments to free trade political
81:44
freedom and escape from tyranny demand
81:46
that individuals not be unreasonably
81:47
constrained by government in the
81:48
crossing of political boundaries
81:50
economic freedom demands the
81:52
unrestricted movement of human as well
81:54
as financial capital across national
81:57
that’s all Joe Jorgenson that was a
82:03
that’s a good answer
82:04
that was a good answer he actually does
82:06
that a lot he’ll say well I’ll refer to
82:08
the Libertarian Party platform you’re
82:10
gonna disagree with the Libertarian
82:12
Party platform does a libertarian okay
82:17
III to it stroke a genius first I’d like
82:22
to say I’m the grandchild of immigrants
82:24
yes I believe in immigration yes we need
82:27
to have more productive people come into
82:28
our country right now it takes about
82:30
eight years even for those who can come
82:33
over so we need to speed that up and we
82:35
need to certainly knock down some of
82:38
those barriers and get as many people
82:40
here as we can who can help improve our
82:42
country ken Armstrong what should the
82:47
executive branch do how should the
82:48
president change his or her approach
82:50
well I’d like to say that we could have
82:52
everything we want all at once but
82:54
sometimes you have to move the ball down
82:56
the field incrementally you don’t get to
82:58
make a touchdown on every play but what
83:00
I would love to do in the first
83:02
increment is establish an international
83:04
free trade zone on certainly on our
83:07
southern border to go on our northern
83:09
border as well have it be a totally
83:12
voluntary opt-in sort of thing we’re not
83:15
gonna confiscate any land but the people
83:17
who own the land that the borders can
83:19
decide whether they want to sell it to
83:21
entrepreneurs to to operate in the free
83:24
trade zone we can have cultural exchange
83:27
in the free trade zone I’m going to
83:29
borrow one idea from from my friend
83:31
Larry sharp who said that we should have
83:33
to Ellis Islands on the southern border
83:37
and I really think that’s a wonderful
83:38
idea inside the free trade zone have
83:41
consular offices open 24 hours a day
83:44
because one of the biggest problems that
83:46
we have is visa overstays we need to
83:49
make consular offices available dan
83:52
taxation is theft berman as the only
83:54
person up here whose candidate campaign
83:57
offices headquartered in cancun that’s
83:59
right
84:00
so one thing that I think is really
84:04
important to understand with immigration
84:05
is the only thing we have to fear is
84:07
fear itself the entire immigration
84:10
debate
84:10
is driven by fear we’re told others
84:13
rapists and murderers coming there are
84:16
plenty of those in cities like I don’t
84:18
know if I should name them but Detroit
84:19
and some of the other ones that have
84:21
higher crime rates than most of the
84:23
cities in Mexico but we’re told we
84:25
should be afraid of Mexico are people
84:27
migrating out of Detroit’s into all
84:29
these other cities and sending all their
84:31
bad people and drugs and everything no
84:33
are all the drugs coming out of Colorado
84:35
into the other states now that now that
84:38
cannabis is legal not really not anymore
84:40
than it was before but all of this is
84:44
fear driven and most of this is just
84:46
completely irrational fear and so we
84:49
need to really understand and and when
84:53
people talk about this we need to
84:55
reassure people that if we fix some of
84:57
the bigger problems first like the war
84:59
on drugs then any problems that might
85:02
actually exist will actually go away
85:05
because the war on drugs is happening on
85:06
both sides of the border and it’s gonna
85:08
happen until it’s over and it doesn’t
85:12
matter how solid that border is we need
85:14
to end the war on drugs then and Adam
85:19
Koch cash should the last hear and maybe
85:20
you can address it from your standpoint
85:22
if someone who wants to put the federal
85:24
government into bankruptcy and have a
85:26
lot of localization immigration has
85:28
largely been a federal concern how does
85:31
your approach Square that my second
85:34
favorite socialist running for president
85:36
after Tulsi Gabbard is the orange
85:39
creamsicle in the White House and it is
85:42
maddening it is absolutely maddening to
85:45
hear people speak out against socialism
85:48
and all the ills of it and then say oh
85:51
but that doesn’t apply to border control
85:53
oh that doesn’t apply to the military oh
85:55
that doesn’t apply to the police no the
85:58
exact same problems with socializing
86:00
defense and protection services and
86:03
public safety services are just as bad
86:06
as with anything else and when you see
86:08
how that ill has plagued America you
86:10
understand why we are failing so bad in
86:13
these regards as it comes to borders the
86:16
question is not how to manage government
86:18
borders the question is are we going to
86:21
embrace the reality that the
86:23
legitimate borders are private property
86:26
borders and that government borders
86:28
can’t exist as enforcement points in
86:31
respect for private property you have
86:33
the right to decide who you associate
86:36
with and the only way that right is
86:37
going to be exercised is if we get
86:39
government out of the way
86:41
I appreciate Adams name check of tulsi
86:46
gabbard cuz that’s gonna lead us to our
86:47
next round of question whose recipients
86:50
or answerer
86:51
will be here and this will be the final
86:55
question of the first half of the debate
86:57
I’m arbitrarily creating halves here
86:59
since we got a late start at Dan
87:01
fishmeal we’ll get up after this
87:03
question and give a little tap dance
87:05
little soft-shoe
87:06
and then we’ll go in the second half
87:08
getting emotional about things hopefully
87:11
but anyways so Tulsi Gabbard there are
87:15
she’s a fan of or you know there’s a lot
87:18
of libertarians who are fans of hers a
87:19
lot of Ron Paul fans who were interested
87:21
in her anti-war candidacy there are also
87:23
a couple of Republicans who are running
87:24
who have a history with either the
87:26
Libertarian Party as bill well does or
87:28
what the word libertarian mark Sanford
87:30
has described himself that way for 15 20
87:33
odd years and is running a campaign
87:35
about the debt question to you is which
87:39
person currently running in one of the
87:42
two bigger parties for presidents would
87:45
you welcome the most to drop what
87:47
they’re doing and join the libertarian
87:49
party
87:56
talk about a gotcha question who would I
88:00
welcome the most well if you’re really
88:05
gonna make me do the lesser of two evils
88:06
then I suppose I’ll go with Tulsi but
88:09
above and beyond that I don’t think any
88:11
of them would necessarily qualify as
88:13
libertarians there’s a lot to our belief
88:15
system and it all hinges on this core
88:18
respect of human rights our natural
88:20
rights to life liberty and property
88:21
she’s right on the money with her
88:23
anti-war stance and I greatly appreciate
88:25
the fact that she’s actually putting it
88:27
out there and to some extent mainstream
88:29
media is picking up on it because the
88:31
anti-war left has been suspiciously
88:33
silent for a very very long time however
88:36
she also wants to give you a chicken in
88:40
every pot and Medicare for all and make
88:42
sure that you have you know basic
88:44
minimum the universal basic income which
88:46
is antithetical to what we believe
88:47
because that’s a redistribution of
88:49
wealth which is theft and we reject it
88:51
wholesale so while they might be a
88:54
little bit right and I appreciate their
88:56
a little bit right they’re not
88:58
libertarians so I wouldn’t necessarily
89:00
be comfortable with them running on our
89:02
ticket dan taxation is theft vermin
89:06
I don’t even question about running but
89:07
like just come on in drop your party
89:09
affiliation I would like you out of all
89:11
the people running to join us based on
89:13
the values that I see that you have
89:15
based on their values I would absolutely
89:18
say Bernie Sanders because I think that
89:20
might be the only chance I actually have
89:21
to debate him Bernie’s Bernie’s an
89:29
interesting guy and I get why a lot of
89:30
people like him because he he gives the
89:32
vibe that he really cares about people
89:34
and he wants to help people
89:35
he points out some real problems the the
89:38
you know the big 1% in the corporations
89:40
and everything of course he’s completely
89:41
clueless as to why they’re the 1% why
89:44
they have power and how to stop them but
89:46
I think he does bring attention to those
89:48
points really well and I would
89:50
absolutely love to debate him on how to
89:51
solve that problem
89:53
by getting government out of the way
89:54
which gives those big corporations the
89:56
power that they have so that we can
89:59
actually be free and we can actually get
90:01
rid of those by voluntarily taking our
90:04
money elsewhere
90:06
ken Armstrong choose a major party
90:09
libertarian yeah okay well I have to say
90:13
first in I was twice elected office in
90:16
honolulu county nonpartisan office I
90:18
knew Mike Gabbard Tulsa’s dad didn’t
90:21
know him well but I knew the guy and I
90:23
knew him by reputation as well and the
90:25
family has a great deal of integrity
90:27
even though I disagree with them on
90:29
nearly everything but I have to say that
90:33
said just based on the integrity the
90:37
only person on either side right now
90:39
that has the integrity that I believe we
90:42
need to really deal with the truth in
90:44
the Libertarian Party would be Tulsi
90:47
Furman supreme let’s see we already had
90:51
weld right I believe someone check the
90:58
bylaws on that one but I believe the
91:00
answer is yes well maybe we could send
91:01
bado to the freakin tree education
91:03
center and teach him how to learn to
91:04
love guns he’d be okay Joe Jorgenson so
91:12
do I get to pick from either party yes
91:14
but it has to be a candidate for a
91:16
declared candidate for president of the
91:18
Democratic or republican party okay
91:21
being in this part of the state of South
91:24
I thought she was joking when she said
91:26
this she was not joking
91:30
actually I shouldn’t have thought she
91:31
was joking based on her response to
91:33
Sarah at the convention Carolina I
91:36
believe he’s still a candidate I think
91:38
the right answer is Mark Sanford Mark
91:40
Sanford
91:42
acted like a libertarian through most of
91:45
his political career and a lot of people
91:48
here were big fans even after his
91:51
horrible indiscretion the people of the
91:55
state still elected him back to Congress
91:57
he’s libertarian at heart and while I
92:01
commend Tulsi Gabbard for her good no
92:04
war stance everything else about her is
92:07
just wrong I don’t see any other
92:08
libertarian leanings in her but I do see
92:11
many libertarian leanings in mark
92:12
Sanford and
92:18
that’s I just she’s a conservative she’s
92:27
a conservative I don’t know why she’s
92:29
not a libertarian she’s not a
92:31
libertarian mark Sanford is about as
92:34
libertarian as Rand Paul if Rand Paul
92:39
was even less libertarian he just likes
92:44
using that term he’s not a libertarian
92:47
he’s a fiscal hawk and a conservative
92:49
he’s not a libertarian it is depressing
92:55
that there are anyone that wants her to
93:00
be the candidate but anyway here we are
93:04
Adam Koch cash will you be the only
93:07
person sticking up for Bill well Ayers I
93:14
wish all my time shaking my head here
93:16
Matt you want me to tell you who my
93:18
favorite current Republican or Democrat
93:21
presidential candidate right now no I’m
93:24
sorry I do not have a favorite flavor of
93:27
cancer now what we’re doing with this
93:33
platform of localization is bringing
93:36
people together the politics of the
93:38
duopoly is about divisive nough sand I
93:41
was so excited this morning it was like
93:43
a second Christmas already waking up
93:46
this morning to an endorsement from
93:48
former Green Party presidential
93:50
candidate sixth term congresswoman from
93:52
Georgia Cynthia McKinney and I’m very
93:57
excited that she in that endorsement
93:59
statement is actually encouraging people
94:00
to come in to the Libertarian Party to
94:03
be unified around this message of
94:04
localization I’m also the only candidate
94:07
in this race who has been as in my
94:09
congressional race endorsed by Ron Paul
94:12
unfortunately will be the only one since
94:14
he doesn’t endorse libertarians as long
94:16
as Rand is in the Senate but I think
94:18
what we have proven
94:19
this is a message they can bring people
94:22
in from both parties Thank You Adam thus
94:24
concludes our first half we’re gonna
94:27
welcome Dan Fishman from the National
94:29
Liberty no we’re not
94:33
yeah it was a terrible question so I
94:37
guess we can do another red carpet we’re
94:40
at the halfway mark let’s see two of
94:44
them say who the straw poll winner is so
94:46
I gotta make sure not to do those ones
94:48
until until the end so here is my red
94:55
carpet interview with Dan I didn’t
95:43
proofread visa comm only take you to
95:50
ready
95:55
taxation stop well is pretty awesome
96:11
going in I got a little bit nervous in
96:12
the middle because I was like I was like
96:21
and I was like they’re asking all these
96:24
questions but they’re kind of the same
96:26
questions we were already had I’m like
97:20
we’re living in 2019 this guy’s in
97:23
$21.99 that’s when this had he he can
97:55
but I can tell them work
98:07
daisuke-kun and I’m going to Olli in New
98:10
York and then no Buffalo New York and
98:13
then Olli in New York and then mount ups
98:15
in New York and then maybe New York City
98:17
depending on what is your message to all
98:41
gets to spend now because you learn so
98:44
much better at home than you will by the
98:46
tyrants at your local public school drop
98:48
out this red carpet interview so two
98:55
things there and I’m actually the way
98:58
Daniel taxation of step Berman is gonna
99:01
be my guest next week next Wednesday at
99:03
8 p.m. on my fellow Americans making a
99:06
grand return this month and I’m gonna
99:10
have to find out more because he I felt
99:12
like he dodged my two questions one was
99:15
the uranium which I think he was just
99:17
making the point that the government
99:18
uses uranium to make plutonium but I
99:20
just want to make sure that he thinks
99:22
that she should be decriminalized and
99:25
then also where his hat came from you
99:30
didn’t lie I came from a place it did
99:31
come from a place so I wanna real quick
99:37
today is election day also known as
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autumn cherub Tuesday autumn cherub
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Tuesday Ukrainian autumn Tuesday right
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and in the Kentucky governors race with
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a hundred percent reporting the Democrat
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Andy Beshear has 49 point two percent of
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the vote while Matt Bevin the incumbent
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has forty eight point nine percent of
100:03
the votes so we can roughly say that
100:07
that’s nowhere near over that’s going to
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no
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gonna come out saying that somebody’s a
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winner in this one right now well how
100:16
much does the Democrat I have forty nine
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point two to forty eight point nine Oh
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in Kentucky in Kentucky yay I think that
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this might end up being a really ugly
100:28
cycle for Republicans yeah it looks like
100:32
right now
100:37
Bashar leads Matt Bevin by four thousand
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six hundred and fifty eight votes I mean
100:43
it’s still a and you don’t know there
100:47
may be big pockets that are still left
100:50
to be counted that will help him or help
100:52
her you know Beshear or what you don’t
100:54
really know I don’t know Kentucky well
100:56
enough to be able to tell you that but
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that’s a close race that’s a that’s a
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really close race that’s not where you
101:01
expect to be as a Republican running for
101:03
governor in Kentucky right it says that
101:05
all precincts are reporting but I mean
101:12
no matter what I believe that’s gonna go
101:15
to a recount does it say it’s a hundred
101:17
percent counted just a 100 percent
101:20
reporting it doesn’t say a hundred
101:21
percent counted okay and no but like
101:24
nobody’s calling this okay ya know no
101:26
one’s gonna call that all right so let
101:28
me fish through this terian party to
101:32
come up and say you support these
101:34
candidates a few hundred articles and I
101:36
love seeing on occasion okay you support
101:39
these candidates because they’re
101:40
representing something that’s so vital
101:43
to your life representing the end of
101:46
government intrusion so one hand it back
101:48
to Matt thank you guys very much
101:50
that was a longer speech thank you Dan
101:55
to party in preparation of all this if
102:08
you look on the website they have they
102:10
asked the same ten questions to all the
102:12
candidates I think four of the six
102:13
answered there but it’s pretty useful
102:16
information to riff from not least which
102:19
jorgensen apparently is a pretty serious
102:21
Axl Rose problem here that I think we’re
102:24
going to spend most of the second half
102:25
of
102:25
debate talking about ok we’re going to
102:28
that’s Emily her problem yes please
102:31
nope you can’t that’s so there we go
102:37
yeah I’ve ever a bottle for you Matt
102:39
actually you shouldn’t be asking a bunch
102:42
of libertarians who are favourite
102:43
Democrats and Republicans are you should
102:45
be asking Republicans and Democrats who
102:48
their favorite libertarians are and we
102:50
really need to turn that mentality
102:52
around and I will say for all the great
102:54
candidates on this stage echoing what
102:57
Dan Fishman said you see how the old
102:59
parties get behind their candidates now
103:01
we need to build that culture that’s why
103:03
I’ve been running for for almost two
103:05
years now so that we could build the
103:06
organization build the momentum and have
103:08
things in place let’s step up our game
103:10
and flip the script on them Adam if I
103:14
didn’t ask that question that wouldn’t
103:15
give you a golden opportunity to rebuke
103:17
the moderator and look better in the
103:18
eyes of the audience so allow the set of
103:23
the volleyball on occasion okay so we’re
103:25
gonna talk more on personal things in
103:28
this second half here first of all
103:31
everyone there Axl Rose a story about
103:33
beyond that actually I need to hit the
103:35
randomizer here sorry again and Ken
103:39
Armstrong is gonna go first which is
103:41
which is cool I want to hear from each
103:43
of you an honest answer to the best of
103:46
your ability what single bit of the
103:51
Libertarian Party platform do you either
103:53
disagree with the most or just sort of
103:56
makes you most uncomfortable as you
103:58
agree with it well and I have to be
104:02
honest this time I didn’t know he was
104:05
going to throw that one in on us okay
104:11
you know I I’m actually very comfortable
104:14
with the platform the difficulty comes
104:17
in selling it to people who don’t
104:19
understand what we’re about and that
104:22
takes a little bit of one-on-one a
104:24
little bit of honest conversation when
104:27
we talk about things like
104:29
decriminalizing sex trades you know it’s
104:32
not because we want to dehumanize women
104:35
it’s because the government has never
104:36
done a good job
104:37
of controlling things like that so well
104:41
I’m very very comfortable with the
104:43
platform sometimes we need to do some
104:47
very personal one-on-one to sell it
104:50
bourbon supreme is there any part of the
104:52
Libertarian Party platform that you
104:53
don’t cannot wait not that I will admit
104:58
to thank you answer Adam coke cash
105:03
except the part about debate moderators
105:05
do you agree with everything in the
105:06
libertarian I love the party platform
105:09
especially the statement of principles I
105:11
love seeing our secretary Kerry and
105:13
Harlow’s going out as the big history
105:15
buff in the Libertarian Party preserving
105:17
documents and getting that out there
105:19
understand why we are so committed and
105:22
what makes us the party of principle
105:24
going back to the first national
105:26
convention when we came up with this
105:28
idea of having something that are so
105:29
built in protected by the seven-eighths
105:32
rule within the Libertarian Party
105:33
platform at with the statement of
105:36
principles it is we the members of the
105:39
Libertarian Party challenged the cult of
105:42
the omnipotent state and defend the
105:45
rights of the individual I’ve heard it
105:50
read at state party gatherings like it’s
105:54
straight out of the Bible it is
105:55
beautiful now there’s one thing that I
106:00
think is a critical shift in how we
106:02
present it there we’ll say there’s one
106:03
thing I’d like to add and that’s
106:06
localization I know it’s covered in
106:08
different ways but that we get
106:09
government down to the voluntary
106:11
community level with the everybody gets
106:13
what they want strategy we can
106:15
communicate this message that much more
106:18
powerfully and reach that many more
106:19
people good Dan
106:22
taxation is theft Berman any part of the
106:24
platform you’re uncomfortable with I’d
106:26
really like to see taxation stuff
106:28
sprinkled around a few more times
106:30
there’s I think it’s chapter 4 section
106:33
17 where there’s a missing Oxford comma
106:37
I know I really think the the platform
106:40
is really great I think most of its
106:42
designed around the the basic idea of
106:45
the non-aggression principle of self
106:47
ownership and self responsibility and
106:50
the idea that we
106:51
don’t need government to micromanage our
106:53
lives there’s no way they can there’s no
106:55
way that a few hundred or a few thousand
106:58
or however many politicians we have at
107:00
whatever whatever level of government
107:02
there’s no way that they know us
107:04
individually well enough to know what’s
107:07
right for us and I think that’s pretty
107:09
well laid out in every single platform
107:11
that’s in there
107:12
Kim rough platform yeah I don’t disagree
107:18
with any aspect I don’t think he likes
107:20
Kim because he doesn’t when he’ll ask
107:25
her questions he doesn’t like reiterate
107:27
what the question was about he kind of
107:30
throws it at her quickly I know the
107:32
randomizer is choosing who gets the
107:35
question but I don’t know it just feels
107:36
like he’s being kind of rough on her but
107:38
maybe I’m just partial he’s being kind
107:40
of rough on rough he didn’t kind of
107:41
rough on rough huh huh huh of the
107:47
platform in fact the platform is
107:49
precisely why I changed my voter
107:51
registration in 2005 to become a
107:53
libertarian because it was such a
107:54
beautiful articulation of our values and
107:57
belief here’s a little rough on her huh
107:59
it’s starting with of course the
108:02
statement of principles so with that in
108:05
mind what I’d like to talk about instead
108:06
is some of the interesting questions I
108:08
get asked running as a presidential
108:10
candidate which speaks more to how
108:12
little people seem to understand what
108:15
the actual role and function of the
108:17
president is I get asked about all sorts
108:19
of things that are oftentimes I have to
108:21
say well that’s the state powers or
108:23
thing that’s not something that the
108:25
president has any impact on or you know
108:27
what are you gonna do about this issue
108:28
and well that’s the legislature I’m not
108:30
running for the legislature I’m running
108:32
only for president which is the
108:33
executive branch
108:34
it’s the enforcement arm of the state I
108:36
don’t make laws
108:37
I can act as a functional bully pulpit
108:40
but above and beyond that I have a very
108:42
limited purview as we should all have so
108:45
that’s probably what I would disagree
108:47
with is just how some of those ideas
108:49
actually translate into that role and
108:52
Joe Jorgenson yes I agree with the
108:56
platform and I’ve actually never
108:58
registered or voted Democrat Republican
109:01
in the 40 years that I’ve been voting in
109:02
fact when I moved to
109:04
state that I knew I was going to be
109:06
there temporarily I actually went
109:08
through the trouble to get my voter
109:09
registration card just so I could vote
109:11
for Ron Paul even though I was going to
109:13
be leaving in a few months so yes I love
109:15
the platform that’s why I’m part of the
109:17
party the only one that I would question
109:19
is Harry Brown and Ron Paul did disagree
109:24
with the abortion issue and while they
109:27
did a very good job of supporting the
109:29
platform I I wonder if maybe it would
109:32
keep some people out as far as who would
109:37
say yes that’s part of the right to life
109:39
and I’m not saying that that the
109:42
platform should become pro-life but
109:44
perhaps not have it there just so that
109:45
it doesn’t keep some people from even
109:48
considering us because we need to grow
109:50
the party and we need to grow the party
109:52
with people who want life liberty and
109:54
property so what she’s talking about
109:58
there is and I’ll pull up the party
110:00
platform so she just said that the
110:03
Libertarian Party should put being
110:06
pro-life in their platform basically or
110:09
just not mention it at all she’s a big
110:11
fan of not mentioning what the
110:12
Libertarian Party believes in order to
110:14
give voters which seems a little
110:15
ingenuine so it says recognizing that
110:22
abortion is a sensitive issue and that
110:24
people can hold good faith views on all
110:26
sides we believe that government should
110:28
be kept out of the matter
110:30
leaving question to each person for
110:33
their conscience conscientious
110:35
consideration which is sort of a
110:38
standard-issue libertarian answer the
110:42
government shouldn’t be involved
110:44
whatever you think about life the
110:49
government shouldn’t be involved and
110:52
she’s saying let’s remove that so that
110:57
may be pro lifers might think we’re
110:58
pro-life now I consider myself pro-life
111:06
to the extent that I think personhood
111:09
begins a lot sooner than a lot of
111:14
pro-choice people do I don’t think it
111:16
happens at birth
111:18
I don’t think it I don’t think happens
111:20
at conception but I don’t think it
111:21
happens at birth I don’t know exactly
111:22
when it happens but I think happens a
111:24
lot sooner than a lot of other people do
111:26
and I also think the government should
111:29
not exist so that it definitely
111:31
shouldn’t be telling people when
111:35
personhood begins and therefore when
111:36
abortion should be legal or illegal it
111:39
also shouldn’t be robbing us to pay for
111:40
abortions or anything else and again
111:43
she’s a conservative she’s a
111:50
conservative thank job so this next
111:53
question is which we went to the White
111:58
House yeah really
112:00
no it really is it’s just like literally
112:06
just let’s not say what we think about
112:09
stuff because it’s it could defend
112:11
someone I think it’s the I think it’s a
112:15
terrible terrible terrible idea what
112:17
what what they’re pushing I think it’s a
112:20
terrible idea I don’t know what what on
112:23
earth the people who think she’s a good
112:26
pick Gary Johnson did a better job
112:30
answering questions than her I don’t get
112:34
a cream is probably the single most
112:36
common question brought to me on Twitter
112:39
when I asked solicited questions and
112:41
this is both of libertarians and non
112:44
libertarians like and the question is
112:47
prefaced by the libertarian party has a
112:50
problem in the view of a lot of these
112:51
people asking these questions with not
112:53
being taken seriously
112:55
James weeks the striptease in 2016 which
112:58
is one of three things apparently a lot
113:00
of people only remember from the 2016
113:02
campaign and here is vermin supreme
113:05
showing up wearing a boot that doesn’t
113:07
feel very serious that’s that’s actually
113:09
detracting from the party’s seriousness
113:11
of message or maybe it’s dad taxation is
113:14
theft berman changing his name to
113:16
taxation is theft and wearing a big
113:17
yellow floppy hat or whatever fill in
113:20
the blank as someone who does put on the
113:22
boot and talk about ponies how do you
113:25
respond to that question that I get
113:27
asked all the damn time
113:29
thank you very much that is one of the
113:31
main concerns that I
113:31
feel that I’m often confronted with
113:33
people ask me they wonder can a serious
113:36
political party put up a perceived to
113:38
choke candidate and not be considered a
113:40
joke party I say yes I believe it is
113:43
absolutely in the framing I believe the
113:45
Libertarian Party could very easily put
113:47
a flat-out statement to put themselves
113:49
ahead of the joke simply saying yes we
113:51
are as a libertarian party we a party of
113:53
ideals we are a party of action we are
113:56
part of things and however and then the
114:00
pivot the electoral system in America
114:03
the duopoly the presidential elections
114:05
have risen to the level of a joke
114:07
and here’s vermin supreme with love and
114:10
spite enjoy and I believe that the
114:12
Libertarian Party could get ahead of
114:14
that and if they were in on the joke and
114:16
they were made it very clear that they
114:18
are putting out vermin scream as a joke
114:19
as a critique and then let nature do its
114:22
rest Joe Jorgenson does the Libertarian
114:27
Party have a perceived seriousness issue
114:30
and to boots on heads and jokes help her
114:33
hurt well I’m not sure why you’re asking
114:36
me I’ve never worn a boot on my head no
114:39
but you’re a member of Libertarian Party
114:40
and this is a common it’s never too late
114:43
to start good point
114:46
and why did legally change my name it
114:49
was not that actually I do have a
114:56
concern overall about about how people
114:59
treat us however I I don’t
115:03
yes I guess in a way I do I here’s the
115:06
thing we’re all going to have to get
115:08
together at the convention and
115:10
somebody’s going to be the nominee and
115:11
we need to all support each other so I’m
115:14
not going to sit here and say somebody
115:15
shouldn’t wear a boot on his head
115:17
however I think we do need to present
115:19
ourselves as presidential and I think
115:23
we’re all standing here dressed very
115:24
presidential II and I think if we were
115:26
on a televised debate I think we would
115:28
actually look not as a joke party Tim
115:32
ruff well I think that we are not taken
115:37
seriously not because of who we have in
115:39
front of the camera but because
115:41
generally speaking mainstream media and
115:43
the duopoly so Republicans in
115:45
Democrats are not going to want us in
115:47
front of the camera so they’re gonna
115:49
find any perceived flaw and blow it out
115:52
of proportion it doesn’t matter if you
115:54
wear a boot on your head or two on your
115:55
feet they’re still gonna find something
115:57
to nitpick because that’s what they
115:59
choose to do with us however if we are
116:02
unified in our messaging because it is
116:04
all sales if we’re unified in our
116:07
messaging we are clear about what it is
116:09
to be a libertarian then we can get this
116:11
information out there some people are
116:13
going to respond positively to vermin’s
116:15
show and they do people respond
116:18
positively to Adam they may not
116:19
necessarily be the people who like how I
116:21
say it or how I present it but there’s
116:23
still libertarians and they’re still
116:24
listening every foot in the door every
116:27
tactic is invaluable in this fight as
116:30
long as we are consistent in our message
116:33
and we are on point about what it means
116:35
to be a libertarian dan taxation is
116:39
theft Berman
116:42
anyone in this room named more than two
116:45
Republican candidates who are running or
116:48
more than let’s just say 20 Democrat
116:51
candidates that are running there are
116:54
over 700 candidates and that was an
116:56
article that was put out months ago who
116:58
knows how many now that are running for
117:00
the Presidency many of them are
117:02
Democrats and Republicans and many of
117:05
them have much bigger issues than what
117:07
they wear on their head the reason you
117:09
don’t hear from them is because the
117:11
media controls what we see and look what
117:15
one look what’s in the White House right
117:17
now that started out as a joke everyone
117:20
thought that was a joke nobody thought
117:21
he was gonna win everybody laughed at
117:23
him he’s crazy and what happened now
117:27
I’ll give you he’s a little bit
117:28
different he bankrolled himself he’s a
117:30
billionaire he’s made lots of money
117:32
ripping people off we don’t have that
117:35
okay but is a hat really gonna make that
117:39
much of a difference when we have such a
117:41
big issue with the media controlling
117:43
what we see shouldn’t we focus our
117:46
attention there and ask why they’re not
117:49
giving attention to any of the other
117:51
candidates whether they’re libertarians
117:52
green are independent why
117:58
can Armstrong well I think our problem
118:03
is not so much the weather we’re
118:07
theatrical or not theatrical we’ve got
118:10
six I think two-step fabulous people on
118:12
the stage today and I think we all make
118:15
each other better I think there is a
118:17
perception issue that’s created by the
118:20
media and and and I think it’s a real
118:23
thing and I agree with what vermin says
118:25
that we need to we need to explain
118:28
ourselves a little bit better and and
118:31
help the public to understand what’s
118:34
going on but I do think that we need to
118:37
identify what our brand is and and stick
118:41
to the brand and that doesn’t mean that
118:44
we all have to wear a dark blue suit and
118:45
a gold tie and it certainly doesn’t mean
118:49
that we all have to look like crack or
118:51
sound like Darth Vader or any of those
118:53
things but it does mean that when we’re
118:57
out there before the public that we’re
118:59
representing the libertarian brand and
119:02
not ourselves the after for the
119:07
self-depreciating humor there yeah so I
119:10
want to say something about Ken I like
119:12
him he’s like a really likable guy and
119:15
he’s funny and he’s self-deprecating and
119:18
all of that stuff I just politically
119:21
he’s a constitutionalist former NATO
119:24
commander like he’s not doing for doing
119:27
it for me there but I like him I think
119:29
he’s a nice guy and I think he means
119:31
well or whatever but III just I’m not
119:34
sure that this is the party for him but
119:35
I I actually like couldn’t I couldn’t
119:37
not like him so a party is gonna be
119:42
competing Axl Rose and Darth Vader
119:43
impersonations apparently Adam Koch ash
119:45
take us home on this question does the
119:49
Libertarian Party have an image issue do
119:53
you watch too much mainstream media
119:55
actually I just participate in whoever
120:00
is the Libertarian Party nominee in 2020
120:03
is going to be running against the
120:06
world’s greatest troll doll hair
120:08
included you think we
120:10
an image problem no no no let’s put this
120:13
in perspective first they ignore you
120:17
then they laugh at you then they fight
120:22
you and then that’s where we are as a
120:29
party right now let’s embrace that be
120:32
libertarian stand up for who we are be
120:35
the best libertarians we can be because
120:37
this is a message that reaches to the
120:40
heart of every single American that’s
120:43
the image we should have as the best
120:45
libertarians that we can be thank you
120:49
Adam
120:50
stay standing Adam Koch because you are
120:51
first in the next round which is each
120:54
question is going to be personalized to
120:57
the person answering it and so it’s not
121:00
going to be generalized so question to
121:01
you Adam Koch cash controversy at least
121:04
among the 13 people you recently went to
121:07
a bar participate in some way in a
121:09
straight pride event or parade can you
121:13
explain why you did that and also is
121:16
that the type of thing that you plan on
121:19
doing in your campaign and as the
121:21
nominee well Matt I think in order to
121:23
present this honestly you have to say
121:25
that I went to the straight pride march
121:27
and to the protest against the straight
121:30
pride march and spoke Claire at both and
121:32
originally went to the straight pride
121:34
march in order to Punk it basically I
121:36
had a lot of fun doing so because
121:38
frankly the culture war is divisive
121:40
bullshit it is really sick and sad
121:43
you’re gonna fight over culture because
121:48
other people want to live differently
121:49
some this is the problem with government
121:52
under a centralized coercive Authority
121:54
liberals and conservatives have to meet
121:57
on the street and see each other as
121:59
enemies because they have to fight over
122:01
who’s gonna get their will forced on the
122:04
other through this one size fits nobody
122:05
but the profiteer solution and that’s
122:08
what drives divisive ‘no stoller ization
122:12
and it was a little bit of a tough
122:14
situation there man to say I’m gonna
122:17
piss off both on
122:18
as I’m speaking today and say you’re all
122:20
wrong for participating in this and
122:22
America is united in saying this
122:24
nonsense needs to stop we should unite
122:26
around freedom kim ruff in your south
122:34
carolina LP interview page i think you
122:36
were asked something along the lines of
122:38
what are the biggest challenges facing
122:40
the country and you had a very
122:41
interesting answer which is i don’t
122:43
think the government really is facing
122:45
significant challenges right now that’s
122:48
interesting can you explain that a
122:50
little bit yes that’s not the thing that
122:52
a lot of people would perceive do you
122:55
mind reading me
123:09
what is the biggest that’s pretty quick
123:11
right 10 seconds being called out on
123:12
what is the biggest challenge facing the
123:14
federal government currently kim ruff
123:16
was asked as she’s filibustering for her
123:18
answer i would argue that the federal
123:20
government isn’t currently facing any
123:23
significant challenges which has led us
123:25
to the very situation we were in and
123:27
fighting against okay all right so what
123:31
i was driving at when I wrote that
123:32
answer which is a lot longer than what
123:34
Matt did was basically saying that we
123:37
are challenging our federal government
123:38
enough that is what’s going on we are in
123:41
a situation we are basically on cruise
123:44
control as an electorate and we you
123:46
notice like statistically speaking even
123:48
though you’re City Council has way more
123:50
bearing on your day-to-day functions
123:52
more people participate in presidential
123:54
elections but even so in 2016 46 percent
123:58
of the eligible voting population chose
124:00
to sit on the sidelines and instead
124:02
permit government to do what thou wilt
124:04
and that’s the problem is that we aren’t
124:07
rising up we aren’t paying attention
124:09
anymore and a lot of that has to do with
124:10
the fact that most of us are so taxed so
124:13
burdened financially because of the fact
124:15
that we have to support this Leviathan
124:17
that we are too tired
124:19
to pay attention to what’s going on
124:21
we’re not active we’re not involved we
124:23
don’t pay attention and we don’t push
124:24
back but we have the capability it
124:26
starts with every single one of us it’s
124:28
incumbent upon each of us to say I have
124:31
the power
124:31
and I demand it back dan taxation is
124:36
theft Berman it’s right there in your
124:38
middle name but do you mean it for
124:40
corporate taxes bro all right so I I
124:44
know this is going back to a Twitter
124:47
post where I said that a corporate tax
124:52
is slightly more legitimate than a tax
124:55
on the individual and the reason I say
124:57
that is because a corporation is a
125:00
business and it’s free to do business
125:03
however once it started with just a
125:04
bunch of people maybe a bunch of people
125:06
in a garage saying hey we’re gonna
125:07
create a business we’re gonna do
125:07
something we’re gonna trade a product
125:09
and a service for money but they went to
125:11
the government and they said oh
125:13
government wonderful government please
125:15
give us protection give us protection
125:18
against other companies that are gonna
125:20
compete with us create licensing laws
125:22
protect us from from liability so if
125:26
somebody Sue’s us we don’t have to pay
125:28
we already took our money out they can
125:29
just take the company but they can’t
125:31
touch us they’ve created these
125:34
corporations as a special protection
125:36
from government and it’s really more
125:38
like you’re buying something so yeah let
125:40
them pay they agreed to it in the first
125:43
place your cellphone bill is not a tax
125:45
because you went to the cellphone
125:47
company and said hey I want this service
125:49
here’s some money how much does is it
125:51
gonna cost me so why shouldn’t a
125:53
corporation have to pay taxes now I will
125:55
say this the government should not have
125:59
those powers for sale corporations
126:04
should not be able to buy this power in
126:05
the first place like there’ll be an
126:08
interesting thing to talk to them about
126:10
on the show dan bourbon supreme if I
126:14
have this correctly you have run for
126:16
political office not just in the
126:18
Libertarian Party but also the
126:20
Democratic Party and the Republican
126:21
Party are there any other parties that
126:24
you wish to confess to running for here
126:28
okay so the question is how are you any
126:31
different than lincoln Chafee well once
126:34
again of course I would any different
126:36
than lincoln Chafee every one of my
126:39
previous campaigns was simply not a real
126:41
campaign it was a parody campaign it was
126:43
a goof campaign when I ran a
126:45
and I was not a Republican when I ran as
126:47
a Democrat I was not a Democrat I’m
126:48
currently in rubbing running for the
126:50
Libertarian Party nomination and I am a
126:52
libertarian that is a very huge
126:54
difference right there I have a real
126:56
campaign with a real campaign staff we
126:59
are raising real campaign money taken
127:01
part in real debates I believe that I’m
127:03
very well-equipped to lead the
127:05
Libertarian Party into the land of 5%
127:07
into growing the party into using my
127:09
viral celebrity to really make an impact
127:12
in impart libertarian ideals out to
127:15
audiences that we’ve had a very hard
127:17
difficult time reaching through through
127:20
all various viral media’s that I’ve had
127:22
by hire harnessing the current groups of
127:25
kids I mean the kids in our amazing
127:27
demographic and I hope to harness them
127:30
thank you thank you Joe Jorgensen I
127:34
recommend everyone here go and look at
127:36
her speech at the 1996 Libertarian Party
127:38
convention it’s the weather kind of
127:42
structuring joke is about one 900 SEC’s
127:46
telephone numbers and also talking about
127:49
how hey you know we we should be
127:52
welcoming to Steve’s Steve Forbes
127:54
Republicans which is a way of saying
127:56
that was a long time ago what have you
128:00
been doing since 1996 for the cause of
128:02
freedom in the Libertarian Party
128:04
preparing for this campaign for one
128:06
thing indirectly I’ve so prepared is she
128:11
from the last 23 years of not doing
128:14
anything else that she didn’t answer any
128:20
questions at the convention right
128:31
so I I she’s prepared herself ma’am
128:35
I need second hi sorry were you gonna
128:38
say something no I’m good earned what
128:42
three college degrees and a graduate
128:44
certificate I’ve gotten my life in order
128:46
to where I can spend time on the road
128:49
and not worry about working five days a
128:52
week at home so I’ve got the time and
128:55
the money and the effort to be able to
128:56
put into it
128:59
ken Armstrong uh you commanded the kanae
129:03
Domitian a very elaborate career for
129:07
someone in a party where most people
129:09
want to dissolve nado are you really
129:11
ready to dissolve NATO or what do you
129:13
think NATO should what should be done
129:14
with the system of alliances that we
129:16
have right now well NATO’s a treaty and
129:18
and I believe in treaties and contracts
129:22
between willing participants I’m just
129:25
not sure that the American people really
129:27
know what they bought into with NATO and
129:30
yeah I honestly I think that we need to
129:34
back away from NATO the only reason I
129:36
believe we should stay in the United
129:38
Nations to tell you the truth is because
129:40
being a permanent member of the Security
129:42
Council we get that precious veto on the
129:45
Security Council and I don’t think we
129:48
want to give that up but these these
129:50
global organizations are not globalist
129:54
they’re corporatist and I think we need
129:56
to get as far away from them as we can
129:58
that’s a really good answer I like that
130:01
that was the best answer he’s given I
130:04
really like that now I would argue if
130:06
the u.s. left NATO it would become an a
130:08
toothless organization because it
130:10
receives the bulk of its funding and is
130:13
hosted by the u.s. I think it would
130:15
become a joke party and a joke
130:17
organization and a lot of smaller
130:19
countries that are only in it to benefit
130:22
from the largesse of the US government
130:24
would leave it I think of it I think
130:26
would fall apart but that wasn’t a bad
130:28
answer for that that was actually a good
130:32
answer very good we’ll go back to a
130:33
general round of questioning here
130:35
talking about the 2016 libertarian party
130:39
pres
130:40
attention experienced in any way shape
130:45
you want to put it what is a lesson
130:47
Kim rough you will start here what is a
130:50
lesson from 2016 that you think is
130:53
relevant to be thinking about as we
130:55
approach 2020 that we said fighting to
131:03
run the big takeaway in the lesson for
131:12
me at least one 2016 is that we should
131:15
not allow ourselves to be bullied we
131:18
should not be allow ourselves to be put
131:19
in a position where we’re effectively
131:21
told that if we don’t elect a certain
131:23
person or nominate a certain person to
131:25
represent us then we’re gonna have the
131:27
whole thing fall apart
131:28
we shouldn’t buy into lies because
131:30
that’s what we were fed and we should
131:32
stand up and have a fearless libertarian
131:35
as our standard bearer on the state and
131:38
local level I know how hard you guys
131:40
work most of us here know how hard you
131:42
guys work because we do the same thing
131:44
too we scramble every election cycle to
131:47
get ballot access to ensure our
131:49
candidates get representation
131:51
we’re shunned by mainstream media it’s
131:53
difficult to get the money and we sweat
131:55
blood and tears we do this every single
131:59
time and it’s important that our
132:01
presidential candidate represents us
132:03
fearlessly
132:04
because that is what builds our moment
132:06
and keeps us going Adam Koch Esch lesson
132:10
of 2016
132:23
this is more of the issue that part of
132:26
the technical issues that we were all
132:27
right all right now we’re live
132:29
all right so in 2016 we nominated
132:33
someone who was running in 2012 we gave
132:36
him the mantle of being the Libertarian
132:39
Party nominee for president and he could
132:43
have spent the time in between using
132:45
that to build the party and instead he
132:48
went and rode bicycles and climbed
132:49
mountains
132:50
good for him the biggest lesson I see
132:54
there is that if we’re gonna nominate
132:55
someone we got to recognize that what
132:57
we’re giving them is incredibly valuable
133:00
and it has to be someone who we can
133:02
trust with that who’s gonna use it to
133:04
maximum impact whose commitment to the
133:07
cause is unquestionable who’s been in it
133:09
for the long haul
133:10
who has the endurance who has the
133:12
commitment to the cause to take
133:14
advantage of that and the other thing in
133:17
2016 in in that race is that we need a
133:21
different message we need a fundamental
133:22
shift from playing their game making
133:25
this about politics it’s not freedom is
133:27
about love and ethics and unity and
133:29
basic moral principles that unite us as
133:32
a human family when we put that forward
133:35
that’s how we’re gonna win not by
133:37
playing their game ken Armstrong lessons
133:42
from the 2016 Libertarian Party race
133:45
well I’m going to jump back to the 1860
133:47
race you all remember that you were
133:49
there right you know the Republican
133:51
Party was six years old at the time and
133:53
they nominated a guy who’d held office
133:56
in Congress one term and lost his
133:59
reelection and been out of office for a
134:01
decade Abraham Lincoln and so they
134:05
didn’t pick a guy with a great
134:06
reputation great name recognition or any
134:08
of that sort of thing but when they
134:10
nominated him they got behind him they
134:14
put energy behind him and he swept them
134:17
into power and the biggest problem that
134:21
we have is that we’re a house of cats
134:23
all wanting to go do our own thing we
134:26
need to get behind who
134:28
ever this party nominates for the 2020
134:32
election Joe Jorgenson lessons from 2016
134:36
yes Gary Johnson was definitely a
134:39
libertarian he’s always acted as a
134:41
libertarian he was a libertarian in
134:44
office the one thing is though that
134:47
people join the Libertarian Party for
134:49
different reasons and Gary Johnson met
134:52
had mentioned at the 2016 convention to
134:56
a handful of libertarians that he had
134:58
never read a libertarian book that’s not
135:01
and the problem with that is one person
135:04
might come to the libertarian party for
135:06
a different reason than somebody else so
135:08
it’s not good enough to know why you
135:10
came to the party or what works for you
135:12
in fact when I ran for Congress in 1992
135:16
and I gave people my reasons why I
135:18
joined the party I was shocked that they
135:20
didn’t agree with me so over the past
135:22
few months I’ve reread losing ground by
135:24
charles murray free to choose by milton
135:26
friedman capitalism freedom by milton
135:28
friedman why government doesn’t work by
135:31
harry brown secrets of libertarian
135:33
persuasion by michael cloud and
135:34
libertarianism in one lesson by david
135:36
Bergland so that i can learn all the
135:38
reasons to persuade none of that was
135:41
libertarian philosophy
135:42
those are libertarian salesmanship books
135:44
and Milton Friedman is a chicago school
135:47
supplies a demand-side ER who believes
135:50
it like that’s not Milton Friedman so
136:00
this is she is from the Bosco a
136:04
conservative on social overall wing of
136:08
the libertarian party imagine that in
136:10
alternating uppercase lowercase letters
136:15
like that libertarianism isn’t a
136:19
philosophy based on self ownership it’s
136:22
weird the son lost money I don’t really
136:27
care if the game people marry which we
136:31
also agree with that but there’s a
136:33
philosophy behind it and you are going
136:35
to be befuddled when we think stuff that
136:38
you don’t cuz you’re still a damn
136:39
conservative
136:45
and at least Gary Johnson of the history
136:48
of as being a successful governor what
136:50
is your appeal yeah she has absolutely
136:57
nothing going for her she’s had two
137:00
failed campaigns and that’s it and the
137:06
last one was 23 years ago there are two
137:09
kinds of libertarians that get nominated
137:12
to stuff ones that have been that may
137:14
not be all that libertarian but they
137:17
have a successful history of winning big
137:19
elections and that’s the appeal to the
137:22
Amash is the the the Massey’s the Paul’s
137:25
the the Johnson’s the chaffee’s the
137:28
whatever welds whatever and then they’re
137:32
the ones that are you know strictly you
137:35
know Orthodox down the road
137:37
philosophical libertarians she’s neither
137:43
she is neither she is neither and she’s
137:46
stiff and uncomfortable and if you look
137:49
at if you go to our page and share every
137:54
post we have on it but if you go to our
137:56
page and and look for the the video of
138:00
her flubbing Sarah daggers question she
138:05
asked this thing where and I have MS so
138:07
I’m not judging someone having physical
138:09
issues at all but when she would turn to
138:12
people like to look at him she have to
138:14
turn her whole body because she’s like
138:16
really stiff and uncomfortable you’re
138:17
about to mount a presidential campaign
138:21
and are like having difficulty you know
138:26
physical with physical stuff and again
138:28
I’m not criticizing that if someone has
138:30
that problem but you have to have the
138:32
energy for a presidential campaign
138:33
you’re not you’re taking this ever less
138:36
seriously than Vermin is permanent least
138:38
has answers to all the questions and
138:40
he’s running as a joke candidate or a
138:43
you know we’re voting for a joke because
138:45
we don’t we don’t take this whole
138:47
process seriously
138:48
candidate anyway let me hear the rest
138:53
one Wade everybody to join Rico
138:55
card lists of the reason they want to
138:57
join and want liberty and freedom
138:59
Berman’s supreme lesson you have to know
139:02
what liberty and freedom are or else
139:05
you’re just doing warmed-over republican
139:07
stuff
139:07
it’s from 2016 I learned that the
139:12
respectability politics are dead and
139:15
there no matter what suit you put up the
139:17
mainstream media will completely ignore
139:19
that and I believe that it’s time to try
139:21
something radically different I’m just
139:24
saying I believe it’s time to put
139:25
something forward that that they can’t
139:27
possibly ignore something that they’re
139:28
gonna have a hard time to wrap their
139:30
head around I think we’re talking about
139:33
putting up a performance artist a clown
139:36
a character and saying this is what
139:38
we’ve believed about your ridiculous
139:40
system we believe about the the
139:42
mandatory tooth brushing law nanny state
139:44
we believe that the free Ponies
139:46
giveaways and other such magical things
139:48
and the opportunity to allow something
139:50
so different that it cannot be ignored
139:53
that it will sweep the nation that it
139:55
will become a tsunami of excitement
139:57
amongst the younger generation this is
140:01
what I learned I learned that that what
140:04
we’re doing up to that point up to this
140:07
point just a suit ain’t gonna make it
140:10
dan taxation is theft berman lessons
140:14
from 2016 i think the most important
140:17
message is go bold or go home we have to
140:20
be big and loud and out there with this
140:23
message and that’s one of the reasons i
140:24
wear the big yellow hat and it works
140:26
really well and with this message before
140:30
we have we’ve we’ve had with past
140:33
candidates trying to explain what a
140:35
libertarian is meanwhile the democrats
140:37
and republicans are out there saying
140:38
this is what we’re going to give you
140:40
we’re the odd man out why even consider
140:42
us they’re not giving us anything you
140:44
can’t tell them we’re gonna give you
140:45
freedom cuz all they want is free stuff
140:47
but with our campaign we’ve been working
140:50
on our messaging and we’ve been able to
140:52
get lots of Democrats hardcore Bernie
140:54
Sanders supporters and Republicans X
140:57
Trump supporters to support our campaign
140:59
they’re not full libertarians yet but
141:01
they’re on their way because they get it
141:03
because we’ve been able to tell them
141:04
this is what we’re gonna do for you that
141:06
gets you out of this fear mindset that
141:08
the other part
141:09
parties and politicians are putting you
141:11
in to control you and they get it in
141:14
just two minutes one of my supporters a
141:17
14 year old kid convinced a conservative
141:20
that we should legalize heroin that’s
141:24
how what that’s what you can do with
141:26
messaging it’s amazing
141:27
did you see how how Matt Welch responded
141:31
in this lake the Meuse laughter the
141:34
shock laughter that that’s even an idea
141:36
this is like what certain elements
141:40
within the libertarian party are doing
141:41
it’s like legalize heroin oh my lord
141:45
well what does end the drug war mean to
141:48
you man like what you know it just meant
141:52
we do you is what it meant right and
141:58
there so many times libertarians are
142:02
called Republicans who want to smoke pot
142:04
yeah and I’ve had people on the writer’s
142:10
block before when I started talking to
142:12
him about legalization they were like
142:14
well what do you mean by legalization
142:16
I’m like I mean all drugs like I should
142:18
be able to go to 7-eleven and buy
142:20
cocaine right um and they’re like oh I
142:23
don’t know if I’m ok with that and then
142:25
they try to explain why but that’s not
142:29
libertarianism that’s not the steps that
142:32
you are going for if you want personal
142:34
freedom if you want individual freedom
142:36
you have to have total individual
142:39
freedom and that is where a lot of
142:42
people end up slipping up when they’re
142:46
trying to become libertarians that is
142:48
where a lot of and I will forgive people
142:50
we weren’t always libertarians I’ve met
142:53
very few people that have always been
142:54
libertarian I certainly was not I did
142:59
never try to run for major office as a
143:02
libertarian or present myself as a you
143:05
know an expert in libertarianism and try
143:09
to you know brow be others for you know
143:11
not accepting my you know rise to try to
143:14
win the white house and I wouldn’t now
143:18
and the reality is that I’m not going to
143:22
try to play the perfect
143:23
Batarian game but I’m the perfect
143:25
libertarian and I’m still not asking
143:32
anyone to vote for me to have the the
143:35
presumption to get up there and say yeah
143:36
vote for me but also I mean I’m kind of
143:40
you know I mean I’m sort of I’m sort of
143:42
libertarian of libertarianism to me
143:44
means something that I don’t really want
143:46
to answer because the voters don’t that
143:48
whatever you dan we’ll go to another
143:52
round here this one’s gonna be started
143:54
by Joe Jorgenson so we’re just talking
143:58
about the Johnson well a campaign or at
144:00
least referring to it they raised what
144:03
twelve million dollars got four to
144:05
twelve points ooh not that anyone’s
144:07
counting I’ve got almost four and a half
144:10
million votes the libertarian party
144:12
there’s going to be a thousand people
144:13
deciding the nomination there are
144:16
something like fifteen thousand
144:17
sustaining or regular of members giving
144:19
money you’re going to have to appeal to
144:22
people outside of the party and you’re
144:24
gonna have to raise money so it’s
144:25
specifically on the money part
144:27
do you anticipate being able to raise 12
144:31
million 12.2 million dollars and if so
144:34
how
144:35
well you spoiled my thunder there since
144:38
I had the numbers but yes if we look at
144:40
the votes basically the more money we
144:42
raise the more votes we get Bob Barr
144:44
raised 1.4 million dollars and we got
144:48
500,000 votes so the challenge for
144:50
everybody up here on stage each of us is
144:53
to be able to raise enough money now
144:55
Gary Johnson had only raised 1 million
144:58
diesei only but close to 1 million
145:00
dollars by the convention and my
145:03
campaign organizer has raised 14 million
145:06
dollars in his lifetime for libertarian
145:08
causes and he feels very confident that
145:10
he can get to the 1 million dollar mark
145:12
and perhaps even surpass Gary by the way
145:15
so we didn’t go ahead what’s she saying
145:17
right now is that by the time of the
145:20
convention Gary Johnson has raised what
145:21
had raised 1 million dollars she isn’t
145:24
saying that she’s raised 1 million
145:25
dollars she isn’t saying that she raised
145:27
14 million dollars she’s saying that the
145:29
man who is working for her campaign has
145:32
raised 14 million dollars total for all
145:35
of
145:37
the candidates and all of the
145:38
organizations he has worked for yeah any
145:41
campaign he’s ever worked on which means
145:42
he’s a Republican and and has been
145:45
working on Republican campaigns at two
145:48
whatever capacity and and and those
145:50
campaigns have raised 14 million dollars
145:53
any one said she said libertarian
145:55
organizations too so he could be working
145:57
for different organizations right but
145:59
she called Mark Sanford a libertarian so
146:01
what what is the criterion or right
146:04
freaking you know Heritage Foundation
146:06
for all we know she and she’ll know over
146:08
what time period this he raised these
146:12
fourteen million dollars if that’s
146:13
dating back to 1986 that’s not that
146:16
impressive right right and it’s also I
146:18
mean again if you if you can even find
146:20
her website you tell me that she’s gonna
146:24
raise 14 anything’s on that anyway
146:28
Johnson’s first time out between now and
146:31
the convention Furman supreme aside from
146:34
getting me to pay for the tie of yours
146:37
that I stole how do you plan it
146:40
how do you plan how do you how do you
146:45
plan do you plan on getting to 12
146:47
million in it so how well that’s a
146:49
pretty inconceivable amount of money
146:51
it’s a whole lot of money it’s it’s
146:52
money I can’t even begin to imagine so I
146:54
would say yes sure of course I’m gonna
146:56
we’re gonna get fund raisers and we’re
146:58
gonna crowdsource it and we’re gonna get
147:00
like 12 million people to send me a
147:02
dollar so that’s that’s gonna happen
147:04
that that’s a no-brainer we’re gonna
147:06
make that quick so yeah definitely I’m
147:10
gonna spend it too and we’re gonna get a
147:14
bigger bang for the buck because I’m
147:15
gonna get a lot of free media a lot of
147:17
love thousands and millions of dollars
147:18
worth of free meat is gonna be happening
147:19
and we’re
147:21
mean and lean campaign and we’re not
147:23
gonna need the kind of like consultants
147:26
and specialists and some of these other
147:28
ridiculous things and a lot of these
147:30
campaigns are pissing away millions of
147:32
dollars on in the presidential real
147:34
world I mean yeah will price out polls
147:36
will see what we have to do but we’re
147:37
gonna run a mean lean campaign we’re
147:40
gonna hit the ground running we’re gonna
147:41
have a once you receive the nomination
147:43
we all have exactly six months to ramp
147:45
it up through the roof and I and my team
147:48
are getting ready to do just that Dan
147:53
taxation is theft Berman can we just
147:56
print it so there’s a lot of interesting
148:06
story around this and you know we have
148:09
to look at a lot we have to look at you
148:11
know what was the environment in 2016 we
148:13
had plenty of libertarians who were in
148:15
the party who were convinced that we
148:18
were gonna win just because we had the
148:21
one candidate that everybody didn’t hate
148:23
and this is this is a huge motivating
148:26
factor but it’s only going to get us so
148:29
far and I think one thing that we need
148:31
to do is we need to show that our
148:33
message actually works and how people
148:36
are responding to it and how it’s
148:38
actually changing things and that is
148:40
gonna get what’s that’s what’s gonna get
148:42
people to open up and give us more money
148:44
and see what’s happening and we can do a
148:46
lot more with volunteers than we can
148:48
with money because we already know how
148:50
the mainstream media is gonna treat us
148:52
present company excluded
148:55
as am i mainstream I don’t know it’s
148:58
unclear so yeah I think I think it is
149:03
realistic to raise that amount of money
149:05
but we need to do things a little bit
149:07
differently and we need to try new
149:08
things that haven’t been done before
149:10
Adam Koch cash as the leader preliminary
149:13
in the fundraising race on this stage
149:15
can you get to 12 million yeah he’s that
149:24
raised money for Mike we get here all
149:26
right I think using the benchmark from
149:28
last year should be seen as a launchpad
149:30
not a target you know we should be
149:32
seeking to get way above and beyond that
149:35
and with our campaign it’s it’s it’s
149:38
almost sad to say we’ve raised just over
149:40
$200,000 I’ve put about a hundred and
149:42
forty of that in myself and about sixty
149:44
from individual donors and until
149:46
recently that was ten times the rest of
149:48
the libertarian field and that doesn’t
149:51
make any of us competitive with the
149:53
mainstream I closed deals I make sales
149:56
we need to make this happen so I’m gonna
149:58
ask everybody here because I’m not
149:59
afraid to ask for help we need money
150:02
give to one of these campaigns at the
150:04
end of this debate decide who you want
150:05
to support give to at least one of us
150:07
and if you can’t help us sign up as a
150:09
volunteer be a part of this I know with
150:12
this message from what I’ve seen that we
150:14
can do this with everybody in America we
150:16
can bring people and we can raise money
150:18
from demographics that the Libertarian
150:20
Party has never touched before
150:21
because localization is the everybody
150:24
gets what they want strategy and more
150:26
than anything else on the campaign trail
150:27
what I hear and this is so important to
150:30
reach the traditional non voters the 40%
150:32
you don’t even vote in in presidential
150:34
elections what I hear more than anything
150:36
else is I don’t normally vote but I come
150:40
out and vote for that Ken Armstrong yeah
150:46
absolutely and I’ve spent the last six
150:48
months out on the road finding out a lot
150:51
of things about the American people and
150:54
and one of the things that that Don and
150:56
I have discovered is how tired they are
150:58
of this horrible game of dog-eat-dog
151:03
that’s going on I think we we need to
151:06
articulate ourselves well but I do
151:10
believe that that the money follows the
151:13
message not the other way around
151:15
and I think if we can get really smart
151:18
in in how we propagate that message out
151:22
to the public that you know we do need
151:25
to use fundraising professionals we do
151:28
need to have the kind of events that
151:30
that raise money but we need to get very
151:33
very smart on how we get that message
151:36
out as a party when we have a nominee to
151:40
carry the banner you and Kim ruff 12
151:45
point two million dollars
151:46
can you get there
151:48
well I’m actually very much the same –
151:50
vermin with respect to that I mean first
151:52
of all I can’t accurately predict what
151:54
I’m gonna get and I’m not gonna say I’m
151:56
going to get 12 point whatever million
151:58
dollars but if you do have one person 12
152:02
million people give you a dollar that
152:04
ultimately and that’s up mostly what I
152:07
want to focus on here is what we’ve done
152:09
thus far on a shoestring budget and how
152:12
much we can achieve because I don’t buy
152:14
the argument that 12-point million
152:16
dollars is going to yield a stupid
152:18
amount of votes because you forget all
152:20
the other factors that went into 2016 or
152:22
2012 or any other year money is part of
152:25
it but it’s not the sum total of its
152:27
parts it also comes down to candidates
152:29
and the infrastructure that they’ve
152:31
built we have a team right now that
152:34
consists of well over 200 people we have
152:37
individual stacked at the state level
152:39
who have their own teams that they
152:40
manage and every single person from me
152:42
down it does this gratis not a single
152:46
person here is getting a dime we do it
152:48
because we care and we’re able to
152:50
achieve because of our sheer force of
152:53
will so I don’t think money is
152:54
necessarily the issue but it will follow
152:56
very good I think what we’ll do here is
153:00
have one last round of questioning and
153:03
in order to get rid of the awful
153:04
bottleneck that is me allow the
153:07
candidates to question one another if
153:09
they so choose and then after that we’ll
153:12
go to closing statements so I’m so
153:15
before we get to that I’m gonna it’s a
153:17
good time to throw in one more red
153:20
carpet interview this one was actually a
153:22
surprise endorsement double endorsement
153:24
by Ryan Teeter the inner Co gun guy
153:27
right here
153:39
I’m wearing myself I need no one else
153:41
how in these shoes are absolutely these
153:46
are the Joshua Smith Josh Barry again as
154:00
much as I hate it
154:01
this isn’t it doors before Joshua Smith
154:03
shoes they are wonderful get your ear
154:06
Joshy Brian we have some great news
154:12
that is pregnant they are my first
154:14
endorsements ever I do not involve
154:16
myself a national politics but after
154:18
hearing the debates today I am very
154:20
hopeful endorsing not one but two
154:22
candidates that would be kimra and
154:28
vermin supreme for two completely
154:30
different reasons permit supreme is
154:32
correct he made some excellent which day
154:35
in that his booth his magic booth gives
154:38
him a unique ability to outreach to a
154:41
younger generation people want to see
154:44
bourbon supreme with his magic food and
154:46
He will bring the votes from people
154:48
currently in high school and college
154:49
around the country the other
154:51
endorsements in rough is a solid
154:54
candidate willing to pass the spotlight
154:56
on two candidates running for state and
154:58
local offices which is something we
155:00
sorely need in the lecture and community
155:02
very good now and so it comes down to
155:12
that what you have to perform to fight
155:16
honestly what I would love to see
155:18
somebody brought this up earlier today
155:19
as much as I love John Phillips I would
155:22
love to see a rock supreme card ruff for
155:26
president affirmative improvised
155:28
president perfect Liberty card Kimbrough
155:32
to get the to pass the spotlight again
155:35
should have been solid minute opposed
155:37
and vermin supreme bringing his years of
155:40
gaming attention from other parties look
155:44
berman supreme to somebody when I can
155:46
talk to people who do not know what
155:47
libertarians are and I bring up urban
155:49
supreme and they have CD Utley knows who
155:51
I’m talking P is someone spotlight who
155:55
has a much broader he has a much broader
155:58
range of attention than libertarian is
156:00
on general he is the perfect person to
156:03
run as a vice president Cannon and bring
156:05
attention to a campaign and that’s why I
156:07
think this Kim rough and permissive a
156:10
would be the perfect
156:11
hear me out is there any kids kind of
156:34
gigantic so I would have to say Kim
156:36
she’s significantly larger than me she’s
156:38
like four inches taller than me she’s a
156:40
she yeah she’s massive stop saying any
156:42
Kim versus kim weaken I think we can
156:51
make somebody up that we should sell
156:53
tickets to that week I would pay to see
156:55
that right you the Anakim gun guy with
156:59
our red carpet interview
157:01
shout out to me for spending hours
157:06
trying to figure out what was being said
157:08
in these videos so when you said who are
157:12
they
157:12
it sound like you said who day and then
157:15
I immediately was thinking that you’re
157:18
making a reference to the Cincinnati
157:19
Bengals when I first heard the I was
157:21
definitely not because I still have no
157:23
idea what you’re talking about right
157:25
yeah and then I was like how would he
157:27
even know what that means
157:28
yeah also ruff supreme sounds like
157:30
something you would order a BDSM Club I
157:34
tried at least once or like an edgy Taco
157:38
Bell the Roth supreme the Ruff supriya
157:42
you’re gonna be on the toilet all week
157:46
yeah that was an interesting take that
157:48
he had also on I kind of wanted to see
157:53
if um Ken would fight Kim on the carpet
157:57
but he had already left so unfortunately
158:02
we didn’t find that out shout out to Tom
158:05
Arnold for his mating call they are
158:07
partway through that he made um and yeah
158:11
so let’s let’s finish off this this
158:15
debate when you throw it open to the
158:16
field starting with vermin supreme you
158:19
can ask any one of your fellow
158:20
candidates or maybe someone in the
158:22
audience or me your camera or the flag a
158:24
question and they will have 30 seconds
158:27
to respond to any question field is
158:29
yours you only got one sorry that’s it I
158:53
loved it he tried to get Joe to answer
158:55
it next I loved it she brought possibly
158:58
might have known what it was though but
159:00
she may have I mean she’s been in the
159:02
party for a while so she might she might
159:03
know that was actually a stroke of
159:06
genius your can you have a question you
159:11
know I’m not gonna hit back Adam please
159:17
tell me what legal basis you would use
159:23
for dissolving the government and for
159:27
establishing the guardians of the
159:28
government will do this one again I’m so
159:38
glad you asked Ken because a lot of
159:40
times I get asked the question is your
159:42
form constitutional and the answer is
159:45
heck no it’s not constitutional that’s
159:48
kind of the point we are appealing to
159:51
the higher authority known as the
159:53
Declaration of Independence which says
159:56
we have not only a right but a duty to
159:59
alter and abolish systems of government
160:03
that no longer serve us he could take a
160:17
bit more time all right
160:18
central to his ok but hurry various
160:23
people have thrown up various legal
160:24
challenges to this platform but the
160:27
reason we’re doing it this way turning
160:29
the presidential election into a
160:30
referendum on whether or not the federal
160:32
government should exist should be
160:34
allowed to continue to exist is that
160:36
when the American people decisively say
160:39
we’re going to put our foot down we’re
160:41
not going to put up with this crap
160:42
anymore nobody on a suit in Washington D
160:45
is going to stand in our way
160:46
and if you say that I can’t do this what
160:48
you’re really saying is that the
160:49
American people can’t do this and I
160:51
disagree
160:53
Kim ruff ask a question and we can do 60
160:56
seconds on the answers instead of 30
160:59
okay my question is actually for Berman
161:02
but it’s not intended to be combative at
161:04
all it’s really more just to give you a
161:05
springboard to talk about it so I told
161:07
you that I’d listen to that podcast
161:09
cults that had talked about the Church
161:10
of euthanasia and they were talking
161:12
about the whole experience with Kris
161:13
kurta and how it found it and to be
161:15
clear the Church of euthanasia was not a
161:17
cult
161:18
okay it happened to be on this podcast
161:19
but I want to make sure that’s clear one
161:21
of the things that happened was when you
161:23
guys went on Jerry Springer it was like
161:24
you Kris kurta and another founding
161:27
member you guys were a little bit
161:29
disparate and how you presented the
161:31
point and purpose of it I’m a point in
161:34
purpose but I was just wondering since
161:36
one of the things we struggle with as
161:37
libertarians is presenting a unified
161:39
message how how are we going to as a
161:42
team all be able to combat that ensure
161:45
that we do present a unified message and
161:47
how are you part of that solution thank
161:50
you for that
161:51
question the CEO II was of course an ad
161:54
German Sark group that I was involved
161:56
with in the in 1997 long before I’d
162:00
consider Deniz by the guy by the way
162:01
guys when you stop watching this Google
162:06
Church of euthanasia Jerry Springer you
162:11
have to do full and you find it on Vimeo
162:14
it’s an hour long with advertisements we
162:19
watched it in its entirety rights will
162:25
be held hands and Washington we cut a
162:29
little and watch it was cute it was like
162:31
you know you put your hand you put your
162:33
head on their shoulder and watch the TV
162:34
together no it was it’s definitely worth
162:38
the roughly 40 minutes it’ll take to
162:40
watch it because it’s an hour but
162:41
there’s commercials definitely watch it
162:43
yeah definitely watch it sort of a real
162:46
campaign yeah it was pretty outrageous
162:48
it was pretty over-the-top and it was
162:50
definitely all about shock in your face
162:52
and the imagery was was really
162:54
frightening that being said how can we
162:58
as Liberty libertarians present a united
163:00
front
163:01
I suppose that’s fairly difficult given
163:04
the the vast amount of personalities
163:06
involved but other than sticking to the
163:09
talking points and and focusing on the
163:12
libertarian party platform which is a
163:14
thing that I have pledged to do in my
163:15
campaign because that is indeed the
163:18
heart and soul of the Libertarian Party
163:19
what is the party but the some of its
163:21
platform so I think as long as we can
163:25
all stay on topic and make that the
163:27
topic of conversation make sure that’s
163:29
where at then we will appear us unified
163:32
as we can be under the circumstances
163:35
given all the the very varieties of
163:37
libertarians there are thank you firm
163:40
and Adam Co cash question for any of
163:42
your
163:51
sex work is work and interfering with
163:56
consensual relationships between adults
163:59
is criminal the libertarian position
164:02
here on respect for freedom and freedom
164:04
of association is very clear Joe you’re
164:07
asked this question earlier today in
164:09
sidestepped it and I certainly
164:11
appreciate your angle on messaging but
164:14
shouldn’t we have someone who can
164:15
represent the message of freedom
164:17
unabashedly directly and answer a
164:20
straightforward question like that
164:24
someone needed to someone needed to and
164:29
I must admit when somebody asked me the
164:31
question I should have gotten more
164:33
information because I actually didn’t
164:34
see that CNN thing with Gary John it
164:37
shouldn’t matter
164:38
it’s a DM question it had nothing to do
164:41
with Gary answer the damn question now
164:44
watch her not answer that well I don’t
164:46
wanna give it a listen and I might have
164:47
made an incorrect assumption I don’t
164:49
know because I didn’t see it here’s the
164:51
point I was trying to make whenever I
164:53
see a debate or questions being asked
164:56
from the news media it’s usually okay
164:59
mr. Democratic candidate what do you
165:01
think about foreign policy what should
165:03
we do with free trade and then they ask
165:05
the Republican tell me what about the
165:07
military overseas when should we bring
165:09
them back what about the budget deficits
165:11
and then the libertarian what about sex
165:13
work and what my point was is that we
165:17
need to be treated with the same respect
165:19
as Democrats and Republicans now if
165:22
they’re asking Democrats and Republicans
165:24
the same question absolutely but my
165:26
answer would be and I would like to use
165:28
ad Clarke’s the way ed Clark answered a
165:31
question like that and I wasn’t clear on
165:34
this is if somebody asked ed Clark well
165:37
what do you think about this and it was
165:38
a question that nobody but a libertarian
165:40
would answer for instance well he would
165:43
say for instance yes I agree with that
165:44
but this is what the voters are
165:47
suggesting so my answer would be my
165:50
answer would be yes I would I would
165:53
immediately first day my answer to the
165:57
question is my first day in office I
165:59
would release everybody from prison
166:01
who’s in there
166:02
for a non-violent sex act and now let’s
166:05
talk about what the voters are asking me
166:08
and put out a statement of seriousness
166:12
as a Democrat and Republican candidate
166:14
Joe jour
166:19
that’s like I mean you had all day she
166:24
had like four hours to come up with more
166:29
five like five hours
166:30
yeah it was like five hours five with
166:32
the five or six hours wants her knowing
166:35
that someone was gonna hit her with that
166:37
yeah you had to know so Dave Jones of
166:39
the vermin supreme campaign like he said
166:42
that night he said she had to know that
166:44
everyone was gonna want to ask about
166:46
that and your response was that and she
166:54
keeps quoting libertarian people that no
166:57
one has ever heard of yeah I just had to
167:00
google that guy and I still don’t know
167:02
if I found the right one
167:04
it’s beyond tone-deaf we’re gonna some
167:09
keep that mic ask a question of someone
167:11
here sure I can
167:14
we’re all libertarians here running for
167:16
office and I would just like to know
167:18
please define what is a libertarian
167:23
here’s a softball question I’m not sure
167:26
why she did that maybe she wants Kendall
167:27
with a libertarian is a person who
167:30
believes that they have more right than
167:33
anyone else to determine the course of
167:36
their lives a libertarian is a person
167:38
who believes that the less government we
167:41
have to interfere with our lives the
167:43
better off we are
167:48
to be honest she did a lot better that
167:50
than I do when people do that to me um
167:52
dan taxation doesn’t surprise me anyone
167:57
need an editor-in-chief that Berman that
167:59
let’s finish this round to ask a
168:01
question to any of your co runners for
168:04
president
168:04
there’s only one question on my mind and
168:06
so I I know most of the candidates
168:08
answer so I have to ask let’s go with
168:11
Ken is taxation theft and what would you
168:14
do about the income tax and the IRS okay
168:19
this is a thorny one but i’m where i’m
168:21
wearing my my porcupine today so i can
168:23
do that go ahead was i said this is a
168:32
funny one but I’m wearing my porcupine
168:33
today as opposed to what is NATO command
168:41
hat I don’t know Asian is not theft by
168:48
by legal definition by moral definition
168:51
absolutely itself and even more
168:54
important than that the income tax
168:56
itself is stupid it’s a regressive
168:59
penalty for productivity the worst way
169:02
to grow an economy is to penalize the
169:04
people for productivity so if we’re
169:07
going to have any kind of tax at all it
169:09
should be a voluntary tax based on
169:11
consumption not on an involuntary tax
169:15
based on productivity all right thus
169:18
ends the question period of the debate
169:21
we’re going to go to closing statements
169:23
which the candidates have 90 seconds as
169:26
they did and we will go in the reverse
169:28
order that we did the opening so from
169:30
Ken Armstrong on down it has been my
169:34
pleasure for the last six months and I
169:36
will say that a lot of times pleasure
169:38
comes with quite a bit of pain but it
169:41
has been my pleasure for the last six
169:43
months to travel 40 states so far around
169:48
the country and to get to know American
169:52
people in a way that I never had before
169:55
and and really I mean met with day
169:59
throw at the independent Institute in
170:01
California had dinner with Larry sharp
170:04
in New York and and those were wonderful
170:06
experiences but even more important than
170:08
that were were the ordinary everyday
170:11
Americans the homeless people the the
170:14
the waitresses the the the hotel staff
170:17
the the people that we met on the street
170:20
and and just finding out how honestly
170:24
you know we say something all of the
170:26
time but Don and I have been discovering
170:28
that this is absolutely true if people
170:32
know what we’re about they discover that
170:35
they’ve always been libertarians it took
170:38
me until almost 25 years ago to discover
170:41
that I was a libertarian and it when
170:44
when we explained what we’re really
170:46
about people get it and as I travel
170:50
around the country to have that
170:51
conversation with people you can permit
170:55
supreme thank you my boot is a boot it’s
170:59
a magic boot it stands for all is good
171:01
in America and the rights that the
171:03
Libertarian Party stands for the ability
171:05
to wear a boot on your head if you still
171:07
want to because it harms no one at all
171:11
3.9 million high school students
171:13
graduate any given year give me two of
171:15
those years that’s eight million kids
171:16
and add that to the 17 million college
171:18
students in college in a given year
171:20
that’s a pool of 25 million people give
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me one out of four if those voters that
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will equal your 5% right there that that
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Mouse does not include the millions and
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millions of disenfranchised
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disillusioned disgusted individuals who
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could be voting but aren’t voting I
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think we could give them a very
171:37
clear-cut choice putting up a man with a
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boot on his head will certainly show and
171:42
demonstrate the contempt that is worthy
171:44
of the duopoly and their presidential
171:46
sherrod the opportunities are limitless
171:51
this may in Austin the Libertarian Party
171:54
will be giving a very very clear choice
171:58
they will obtuse of two time streams
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there will be one time stream available
172:05
that the lp can choose where vermut
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supreme is the nominee and we take back
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America from whoever has it
172:13
whenever we take it back from them so we
172:17
got to preview his his speeches at the
172:19
Airbnb and just loving it just doubling
172:23
over on his on his speeches my magic
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boot a magic boot we’re gonna take
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America back from whoever took it from
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us or something else the choice will be
172:36
yours choose wisely
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together we will ride our ponies into a
172:43
zombie powered future thank you
172:48
Joe Jorgenson closing remarks as the
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presidential nominee I will double the
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size of the Libertarian Party membership
172:57
how do you know I can do that because I
173:00
did it before with Harry Brown in 1990
173:03
cerebrum doubled the National Party size
173:06
from 10,000 members to over twenty-two
173:09
thousand eight hundred but we didn’t do
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it alone we did it by teaming up with
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the National leadership we teamed up
173:17
with national chair Steve das Bach in
173:19
fact Steve’s here can you say hi we
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teamed up with Bill winter communication
173:25
director Perry Willis educate Perry
173:28
Willis and last but not least we paired
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up with Michael cloud the fundraiser for
173:35
Harry Brown can you say hello
173:38
so as the presidential nominee what I
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would do is I would work with a
173:43
libertarian party closely to make sure
173:46
that everybody we came in contact would
173:48
be sent to the National Libertarian
173:50
Party and double the size of the
173:52
Libertarian Party big government is the
173:55
problem
173:55
small government is a solution no vote
173:58
dr. Joe Jorgensen the smoke no
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government is the government candidate
174:04
Adam Koch ash all right we got one all
174:13
right let’s do this
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are you fed up with the two-party system
174:19
can we do better than this America
174:23
are you ready to live up to the ideals
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of the American Revolution
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government keeps us divided fighting
174:31
over power in a centralized system
174:34
driven by hate I’m fed up with cadet
174:38
bone spurs our narcissist in chief but
174:42
the culture of hate politics goes well
174:45
beyond Orange Julius
174:48
yes Trump you are driven by so much
174:51
status hatred and this is the LEvolution
174:57
just as light drives out dark and love
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drives out hate you will lose and love
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will win America we are too good for
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this government we don’t have to be
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forced into one system to be united in
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American values localization is the cure
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for polarization with voluntary
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community level government you can live
175:24
in harmony with systems that represent
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your values and meet your needs with
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localization we unite every single
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American around that which makes up
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America a revolution with every
175:38
generation to get better microphones yes
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all right I’ll be done in a few seconds
175:51
[Laughter]
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he took this well we are called upon now
175:57
by fate and fortune to have the best
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revolution ever a revolution of love and
176:06
peace and freedom a way of Harmony this
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is the revolution you’ve been waiting
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for thank you very much
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dan taxation is theft vermin so first I
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want to apologize I hope I didn’t insult
176:26
you by saying mainstream it’s a pretty
176:28
legitimate organization I’m old so one
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thing that I think is really important
176:37
to recognize is the government that we
176:39
have as big as it is as much as
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everybody hates it especially when their
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party’s not in charge that government is
176:48
a government that we have that people
176:51
wanted you have one party who says oh
176:54
yeah I want the government to get bigger
176:55
as long as my guys in charge and then a
176:57
few years later everybody else says well
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those people did all those things to me
177:02
we need my guy in charge to make the
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government even bigger to reverse all
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the damage that was done yeah the only
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way we’re gonna get off of this
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trainwreck is if we change that
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conversation and change that direction
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and it doesn’t come from pointing out
177:19
all the flaws in the system and saying
177:21
this is bad and those guys are bad and
177:24
those guys are bad it comes from us
177:26
being able to explain the benefits how
177:30
much better your life is going to be
177:32
without maybe just this one government
177:35
organization or this government
177:37
organization and something we have to
177:39
realize about the candidates that we
177:41
have up on this stage everybody’s
177:43
different government tries to be one
177:45
size fits all every single one of us
177:48
appeals to a different audience we’re
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bringing people together with this
177:52
message that less government is better
177:54
and we’re working together to make that
177:57
happen but in order to win the first
178:01
thing that has to change is the minds of
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the people and kim ruff take us home
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well just to reiterate in case it hasn’t
178:11
been come abundantly clear my name is
178:13
kim ruff and that is indeed my
178:15
legitimate last name it’s true i a
178:17
normally hesitant to talk about personal
178:20
things but I feel it’s incumbent upon me
178:22
to tell you this the prime mover for me
178:24
doing this is because I am a parent I
178:26
have two children a son who’s five and a
178:28
daughter who’s seven and because I have
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children
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and I think about the world that they’re
178:33
going to inherit I’m terrified I am
178:36
terrified and I think a lot of people
178:38
feel that way every single one of us is
178:40
here not just because we see logically
178:43
how illogical or antithetical to our
178:45
belief system government is we see the
178:48
direct impact it has on every single
178:50
person in our lives we have family
178:52
members we care deeply about who are
178:54
serving time in prison simply because
178:57
they had the temerity to have marijuana
178:59
you have people who are incapable of
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advancing economically or starting a
179:03
small business because of the huge
179:05
burden government puts on them we are
179:07
always we are in a situation as
179:09
Americans where we are shackled by the
179:11
very thing that we enacted supposedly to
179:14
protect and serve us and it’s incumbent
179:17
upon every single one of us to stand up
179:19
and fight back we need all hands on deck
179:24
that’s why it’s something that I’ve
179:26
talked about multiple times is that our
179:27
campaign is a volunteer organization
179:29
made up of hundreds of a veritable who’s
179:32
who of awesome activists who’ve been in
179:34
this movement right next to you this
179:36
whole time every single one of us has to
179:40
pick up a shovel and dig there’s myriad
179:42
ways we can attack the Leviathan of the
179:44
state but we need to push back otherwise
179:46
our children will inherit a mess that we
179:49
cannot fix for them thank you Jim
179:53
let’s give a round of applause to all
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six candidates here tonight thank you
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the South Carolina libertarian party for
180:03
inviting everyone died here including
180:05
myself and this is so guys if you’re if
180:16
you want to sound off on who you thought
180:18
one Matt do you want to give your
180:20
thoughts on who won before before we
180:24
before we give the results of the straw
180:27
poll of the people that were there so I
180:31
don’t Adam gave great answers but he
180:36
didn’t do the best performance but I
180:37
can’t knock him on his performance
180:38
because his mic kept going out to bright
180:42
Dan did great Berman
180:45
great Kim was and my mind Kim won that
180:53
yeah in my mind Kim had the most solid
180:57
answers Kim had the most solid answers
181:00
and she appeared to be pretty
181:02
unflappable however its heart like Adam
181:09
probably would have given a much better
181:13
performance had his microphone not been
181:15
going out yeah
181:18
the Dan killed it I Dan killed it but I
181:22
don’t think he was able to say the
181:24
things he wanted to say so I think that
181:27
the questions I felt like the questions
181:30
were kind of weak from Matt big it was
181:33
geared towards this being a more
181:36
standard debate whereas Dan wants to
181:39
talk about like why government shouldn’t
181:41
exist in why we should be allowed to do
181:43
whatever we want with that said Adam was
181:45
able to take those questions and do that
181:47
Kim was able to do it so I would say if
181:49
I felt like it’s a tough one because I
181:55
think Kim had the best performance i kim
182:00
had in in an apple and apples and
182:02
oranges way Kim and vermin both had
182:05
their best performances because they’re
182:07
both trying to achieve in some ways two
182:09
completely different things
182:10
vermin is trying to say listen if you
182:12
think this whole thing is a joke and you
182:15
want to grow the Libertarian Party by
182:16
appealing to people who think it’s a
182:18
joke I’m your guy because we can all be
182:21
in on the joke we can all laugh at it
182:23
and you can bring in someone who’s way
182:24
more popular than anyone currently on
182:26
the stage and and make that case and
182:28
Kim’s whole thing is I am you know I I
182:31
am the most you know I I’m incredibly
182:34
you know I am a strong libertarian I’ve
182:35
worked on many campaigns I I am
182:38
supporting other candidates in
182:39
down-ticket races I’m about growing the
182:42
entire party and and moving up in a
182:44
grassroots fashion so obviously both
182:47
trying to get to the same destination
182:50
but with different strategies of having
182:52
to do so so I’d sort of have to give it
182:54
to both of them in terms of who won I
182:56
think Dan gave a very
182:59
good solid performance I think Adam
183:02
probably would have done better without
183:03
the mic well about to make issues
183:06
without the mic issues made it difficult
183:07
for him to get into his rhythm yeah and
183:10
I’ve seen Adam speak before and he’s
183:15
normally very charismatic and he’s
183:16
normally re-engaging and I’m in on this
183:18
one again like the the mic going out on
183:21
him
183:22
throws off that rhythm yeah it’s yeah
183:24
it’s impossible to judge his performance
183:27
in this debate based on the stand on the
183:30
standards that this debate huh right and
183:33
and he still did well I mean he still he
183:35
still buried himself well dan I think
183:36
did well but Dan’s not very theatrical
183:38
so Dan is is one-on-one very very
183:42
engaging and in small groups very
183:44
engaging I don’t know how well that
183:45
translates into like speeches on a
183:49
podium appealing to a large crowd type
183:51
of thing but I think he did well too but
183:54
I guess if I had to pick winners it
183:55
would be Kim and vermin for kind of
183:58
completely their their appeals and what
184:01
they sought to accomplish there was what
184:04
was kind of different
184:07
Chris Reynolds is saying the Dems won
184:10
Kentucky and for yeah I would the dims
184:14
the last one I saw they were up by 0.3%
184:18
with 99 or a hundred percent reporting
184:22
the Kentucky the dim for Kentucky is
184:25
saying that they won but it’s definitely
184:27
going to go to a recount
184:29
odds are yes they did the Dems also
184:33
winning Virginia well the Dems have been
184:35
sweeping Virginia since 2008 so that’s
184:38
we have that big of a deal
184:39
although Liberty darling Nick Freitas
184:44
won a write-in campaign in his district
184:49
which is you don’t hear about that often
184:51
but it was by like 14% he won doing a
184:55
right end campaign wow that’s impressive
184:58
that’s very impressive so Chris also
185:02
said fill philosophy to vapours
185:03
systematic pragmatic debate both can be
185:05
right yeah if if the pragmatic the
185:08
pragmatists are presenting an actual
185:11
viable plane
185:13
in there just saying vote for me because
185:16
I’m not as theatrical or as you know I
185:20
don’t wear a boot but they’re not Joe
185:22
Jorgensen did not make a compelling
185:24
argument that she was the fragment
185:27
pragmatic choice but I think he was
185:30
talking about a vermin being the
185:32
pragmatic choice
185:34
sure oh and maybe meant vermin versus
185:37
Kim or something like that anyway that’s
185:39
what I think he was wrong cuz I came in
185:42
shortly
185:43
shortly after yours talking about Berman
185:45
and Kim giving two good performances
185:48
yeah so and Tyler said three libertarian
185:53
candidates in Ohio and in Indiana to
185:56
five City Council and one mayoral so
185:58
good for good for the libertarian party
186:00
so guys I know who Tyler thinks won and
186:07
who we voted for who won but without
186:09
further ado let’s go ahead and show you
186:11
the results of the straw poll this was a
186:13
poll of people who were there and
186:15
according to that Ken Armstrong got five
186:20
point seven percent firm and supreme got
186:22
seven point one percent dan Berman got
186:25
eight point six percent Joe Jorgenson
186:27
got twelve point nine percent Adam Koch
186:29
ash fifteen point seven percent and Kim
186:32
ruff got fifty percent and of those who
186:35
were LP members who said that they were
186:38
LP members she got sixty one point seven
186:40
percent so she kind of trounced everyone
186:43
in terms of the in terms right where I’m
186:46
having issue with this straw poll and I
186:48
know that they said that there was no
186:49
ballot stuffing or then that it was a
186:51
legitimate vote and all that sort of
186:53
thing is the Joe Jorgenson 17% of LP
186:59
members twenty percent of possible
187:01
delegates yeah I don’t I don’t I don’t I
187:04
don’t buy that I don’t buy it she did
187:06
awful she did awful in the debate she
187:09
did she didn’t get any libertarian
187:12
points across all she continued to say
187:14
was she she pulled the Joe Biden you
187:18
know I was Obama’s vice president I was
187:21
Harry Browns vice president nominee I’m
187:23
working with the same team the Harry
187:25
Brown
187:27
would the difference being that Joe
187:30
Biden is referencing a successful
187:32
two-term president right from two from
187:36
one election cycle ago she’s talking
187:40
about something that failed 23 years
187:41
like Chris is saying really small sample
187:43
size though but this is this is who
187:45
voted at the debate this was the break
187:47
to one of the people that were at the
187:48
debate watching it yeah it’s not a
187:49
scientific poll but it’s a breakdown of
187:51
the people over there but because it’s a
187:53
small sample size it’s also a doctored
187:55
sample size in that a lot of them were
187:56
already came in as supporters of one
187:58
team or another so for example Joe
188:00
Jorgenson didn’t gain any new supporters
188:02
six people who came there as Joe
188:05
Jorgenson supporters I mean that’s like
188:07
her campaign team that voted for six of
188:12
the people there were of her campaign
188:13
team oh and that’s actually a really
188:16
good point because she was in sovereign
188:19
state yes your own state so a lot of her
188:23
campaign team is gonna be members of
188:24
that party trying to become delegates so
188:27
yeah those six people could be the six
188:30
people that she has working on her team
188:31
yeah and I mean I yeah so anyway all
188:35
that to say you know this isn’t a this
188:38
isn’t a you know Kim Roth hasn’t been
188:40
nominated and none of them have dropped
188:42
out as a result but it’s a kind of a can
188:44
you tell me what a percentages Scop
188:51
post-debate straw poll breakdown
188:52
pre-sentence presented well it’s how you
188:57
get George Jorgensen to get 20% yeah
188:59
yeah but uh yeah so so that’s what
189:04
happened there we have a couple more of
189:08
the red carpet interviews to show you
189:10
and I guess we can sign now so now that
189:13
you know who won the straw poll I can
189:15
show these other ones but here is Tom
189:18
Arnold followed by Kim and then we will
189:21
end it with firm and supreme who was our
189:24
our final red carpet our final red
189:28
carpet interview we actually did that
189:29
one at the house and I didn’t have to do
189:31
captions for that one yay because you
189:33
can hear what he’s saying anyway so
189:35
here’s Tom Arnold Liberty Tom Liberty
189:38
Clause Arnold why I’m spike Owen your
189:40
South Carolina Libertarian Party B post
189:43
after-party
189:44
I’m here doing my red carpet I called
189:47
that something different so what would
190:56
you say was her do you think it was a
190:57
breakout moment
191:05
[Music]
191:13
foreign policy is her Forte and so but
191:30
what is your message
191:33
we live in my lifetime so I’m gonna be a
191:45
status a lot of man love this weekend a
192:08
lot of man love this weekend Chris
192:10
Reynolds said where can people buy those
192:12
hats you can get these at taxation is
192:14
theft dot cards
192:16
that’s taxation is theft dot card shout
192:20
out to Casey Neth who just joined us
192:21
she’s a partner and some apps I’m
192:24
working on yes a talk yeah so a lot of
192:36
kissing I kissed a lot of men this
192:37
weekend slept with one dance with one
192:40
well I danced with the same when I slept
192:42
with so that was Tom and then we had kim
192:46
ruff fresh off the heels of her straw
192:49
poll victory at the debate here’s Kim
192:51
ruff every time a different name
193:06
I appreciate the Chuck I don’t keep this
193:20
5 feet 11 yeah
193:33
I assure their parents were they walking
193:42
it was I pulled it out of the nose what
194:10
did what was your feeling about the
194:11
convey
194:27
[Music]
194:56
so I’m Tim Roth thank you so much red
195:28
carpet time I want everyone to
195:33
appreciate these captions I just do
195:36
because this last one doesn’t have
195:38
captions you know how long it took me to
195:39
edit this one about three seconds well
195:43
30 seconds all right these other ones
195:46
20-30 minutes Tim should go to
195:49
Disneyworld because I’ll go to Orlando
195:52
to say what’s up but I’m not going to LA
195:56
yeah I know I’m definitely not I’ll go
195:58
down to Orlando it’s it’s not
196:02
uncomfortable Chris people liked it
196:05
we were actually touching stomachs Matt
196:07
Hicks and I Kim and I and not so much
196:10
Tom we were just in meshed in one
196:12
another that was a real like physical
196:15
experience sharing a tiny kitchen mat
196:19
with with Tom Arnold Liberty Clause I
196:22
felt like I was on Santa’s sleigh so
196:26
here is mine so you’re Jewish so you
196:28
don’t understand you sit on Santa’s lap
196:30
and tell him what you want for christmas
196:31
well I stood into his lap you did your
196:36
you were right in his life there was a
196:37
lot of pelvic proximity there it was it
196:42
was okay it was a lot of pelvic contact
196:44
with mat and with Tom really everyone I
196:47
enjoyed interviewing Ryan because he’s
196:49
skinny and so we didn’t touch so that
196:52
was nice oh damn Berman’s feet by the
196:55
way he’s gotta wear like a size 15 yeah
196:58
he’s a giant man they took up like a
197:02
you wouldn’t you see him in the Hat so
197:04
you assume he’s smaller he’s my he’s
197:06
probably six three no he’s a gigantic
197:09
giant human being he’s at least six two
197:11
or six three and he has gigantic massive
197:17
monster feet so here is without further
197:21
ado here is my final interview of the
197:23
evening at the after after after party
197:26
with vermin supreme featuring Dave
197:28
everybody welcome to the South Carolina
197:30
Libertarian Party posed to be I love the
197:33
master chef spike going with me as
197:36
always is the amazing beautiful so you
197:51
look amazing well I will see my sutures
197:56
bye chaps
197:59
absolutely it’s and of course I’ve got
198:15
the and this is actually not so much the
198:34
rubber boot itself know it or guts Marva
198:37
server because another rubber they would
198:39
pull over your shoe and you would pull
198:40
over your food so it’s except much it’s
198:42
more hollow and it’s much more
198:44
lightweight has a better gravity to it
198:47
it feels good it does I know a lot of
198:49
people ask me you know how do I keep the
198:51
rubber boot on my head it’s so hard not
198:54
laughing when this man’s Rainier face
198:56
like this I was I was so delirious I
198:57
started busting out gravity also in this
199:10
case three physical properties going on
199:26
so there’s some construction going on
199:27
there yeah science what it’s all about
199:30
science
199:30
well you look absolutely stuff thank you
199:32
you know you saw you to also thank you
199:34
very much this is actually this is free
199:37
trade this was not made Vietnamese
199:39
pygmies it’s microfiber so I’m gonna ask
199:50
you what is your impression of how how
199:52
do you think you didn’t during the
199:53
debate you know I think I did a pretty
199:55
good I think I went a long way towards
199:58
convincing people of my purpose and I
200:01
offer I think I was clear on that the
200:05
base always very interesting because
200:06
essentially you know the question is
200:09
asked and there’s like six people at one
200:10
stage and they’re all answering it more
200:12
or little mass in the libertarian
200:15
fashion and so it sort of frees me up in
200:19
a way it’s like I mean I’ve almost don’t
200:21
feel like it
200:22
I should be reiterating the same thing
200:24
that everybody sir is saying right and
200:26
it allows me to say something a little
200:28
bit different and
200:30
so that that’s a good thing yeah and you
200:33
know I believe that I was a serious
200:34
where I need to be serious and
200:36
entertaining where I need to be
200:37
entertaining and sold all my various
200:39
talking points and reasons why I be a
200:42
really good candidate no I believe that
200:44
people are very receptive to it I
200:45
believe I’m changing hearts and minds
200:47
and Michael along is simply meant to get
200:50
people to agree that it’s not
200:51
inconceivable right and if I could get
200:53
to that point I’m halfway there right I
200:55
feel that very well it was a very very
200:58
good debate overall now do you think did
201:00
you like it the reception you got
201:01
overall at the convention you feel good
201:03
to feel welcome oh absolutely
201:05
I always do very much enjoy these
201:08
conventions and me and people agree to
201:10
the people and campaigns the people
201:14
trying to convince them of the
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righteousness of our cause
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very good very good now I don’t know if
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you saw earlier we had breaking news mr.
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a narco gun guy Ryan Teeter I gave a
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split endorsement to you and to Kim ruff
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he came into the race I guess more of a
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rough man and after that is now a split
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supreme ruff and it’s very interesting
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now I asked him if he would be okay and
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chewing on a mint by the way and if he
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would be okay with one of you having you
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go into some kind of a cage style
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wrestling match for who would be
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president who would be vice president
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and he said he would rather you guys
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work at how agreeably in some way so
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what are your thoughts on that well cage
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matches gets her to be agreeable
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so I guess
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two alternative random decision-making
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flipped a coin flips
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rock-paper-scissors panty wrestling to a
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three you know you know it’s a brief
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light over this way what’s where the cow
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ploppies
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very good network more who can leave it
202:29
up to the viewers oh and now how do you
202:30
feel about that because I mean she
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Kinnison Amazon she’s a yeah you know I
202:36
have to work out you know nothing I used
202:42
to be but do you know to balls out three
202:46
overall what is the message you want to
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give to the the good boys and girls
202:51
watch now well kids I want to say this
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about that not that pepper
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okay kids don’t be going in there
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uncovered don’t go and protect that
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sucker come on like kids here’s there’s
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goodies out there could be thank you
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thank you so much and guys thank you
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again for joining us for red carpet red
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carpet interviews so at this point I had
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I think four of my shirt buttons
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unbuttoned as the evening went on I was
203:30
just more of the jus beard chest beard
203:34
was was in on display and by that it was
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just really it was the suit holding my
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shirt together at that point it really
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was not being able to get to buy any
203:43
buttons a lot of that was because of the
203:45
anarchy me anarchist strip teasers oh
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the natural you know Anarchy is the
203:51
natural order the very fun night I had a
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lot of fun
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I wish the broadcast could have happened
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but what but i but i we had a lot of fun
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and then of course this happened
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I mean again that’s possibly the
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most-watched thing I will ever do
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probably yeah it’s gonna be an
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interesting campaign season for the
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Libertarians back in 16 you had Gary
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Johnson who was a two-term governor
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Republican GOP governor and the 2012
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nominee and you had Austin Peterson who
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was very widely well known John McPhee
204:58
John Maxey and then there were there
205:01
were others but those were those were
205:04
the three big names this one you’ve got
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coke cash and vermin are probably the
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two biggest names but I don’t think
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they’re one of them are really on the
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same level as Johnson or Peterson or Mac
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I would argue that vermin is except for
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Johnson because he has now weather so
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there’s well-known and then there’s
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well-known in terms of like the people
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that are actually gonna show up and vote
205:35
right in in in much in in a Praia
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election much less as delegates in a
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convention or whatever but he’s an
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incredibly well-known person and the
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younger someone is the more likely they
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are to know him to the point where if
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you’re a teenager
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there’s better than even chances you
205:55
know who he is he is literally a Veidt
205:58
when he says viral sensation he is well
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known by millions and millions and
206:03
millions of children and and and and
206:05
teenagers they can’t vote right now but
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he certainly has a case to make that you
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know he’s the president of tick tock
206:14
right now and and is that relevant to a
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primary or a convention that chooses
206:24
their candidate not directly because
206:25
they can’t vote but it’s something to be
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said about his a little popularity Kim
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ruff her appeal is that she has she is
206:35
more of a dog she is more
206:38
philosophically of a doctrinaire
206:39
libertarian than Johnson McAfee or
206:44
Peterson McAfee or Peterson there’s a
206:51
movie coming out about Mac maquette
206:54
McAfee McAfee you said McAfee and it
206:59
threw me off yeah there’s a movie coming
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out about McAfee with Michael Keaton
207:03
playing John McAfee no man I was gonna
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say is it called Batman 5i yeah I mean I
207:16
Kim’s whole thing is that she’s about
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the most libertarian person running in
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quite a while that actually has like a
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you know professionally run campaign
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Adams just kind of a similar a appeal
207:28
that he’s making vermin’s is completely
207:30
different than whatever anyone else is
207:31
offering like he said in the red carpet
207:33
interview everyone else was giving
207:35
similar answers and he was kind of
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saying yeah I’m here too
207:39
for you to voice your displeasure with
207:41
this whole thing there’s a lot of people
207:44
that have enough displeasure that that
207:45
might be worth it for them so we will
207:47
see how it goes but again I’d love to
207:50
give a chant thanks to the South
207:54
Carolina libertarian party for the
207:56
opportunity to hang out at the
207:57
convention and we huh Reason magazine
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feel like that thank Reason magazine
208:03
yeah and also give a shout out to
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everyone who watched this and share it
208:10
because now you’ll finally get to see
208:13
the reaction to the debate and so you’d
208:15
see that the entirety of the debate and
208:19
yeah Matt is there anything you you want
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to share with anyone before we start to
208:23
go through our thing no um not really if
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you watch this Facebook has a so
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throttled please share it yeah please
208:34
share our content 15 shares or something
208:40
like that our reach
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Ben 54 yeah I mean it’s Facebook has it
208:45
is impossible to show up up for us to
208:49
show up on anyone’s newsfeed and
208:50
hopefully that ends soon because that’s
208:54
crazy
208:54
but or everyone just switches over to
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float just switch over to flow if you’re
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watching this just slip switch over to
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flow and next week I’m gonna have Daniel
209:05
taxation is theft berman on we’re gonna
209:06
talk about all sorts of stuff i’m gonna
209:08
find out where that hats from i’m
209:10
definitely gonna find out where that
209:11
hats from and what else i guess that’s
209:16
it so Matt if someone for looking for us
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on anywhere except for Facebook on the
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internet how would they find us man
209:25
that’s gonna mess up my order you can
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say Facebook if you’re looking for us
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you can find this in every episode at
210:02
muddied waters media.com that we were
210:05
having a Joe Jorgensen moment there’s
210:07
like no I was reading so it’s common of
210:10
15 shares with a 54 reads yes Chris that
210:12
is correct yeah it’s actually 13 shares
210:16
I apologize yeah it is absolutely brutal
210:21
so guys thanks again for tuning in we
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will see you next week and where we’re
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going
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Jeffrey Epstein didn’t kill himself
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[Music]
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mic check yo
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[Music]
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I will not go pop
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I will not go stop you’re gonna say
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nobody’s knows this is true hip-hop I do
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not flip flop none as they blow me float
211:04
this is perseverance does this
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perseverance this is perseverance I will
211:13
not go pop I will not go stop when I say
211:16
no means melt this is true hip-hop I’m
211:18
gonna flip sup wanna feel only flow this
211:22
is perseverance this is perseverance
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this is perseverance
211:29
this is perseverance up in on the
211:31
robsons I made the first appearance I’ve
211:33
been on the grind never waited for the
211:35
clearance life is all the time so I’m
211:36
gonna live a fearless years yeah
211:38
and people gonna hear this made a little
211:40
name with the vision and coherent it’s
211:41
never been a lane I’m closer to a genius
211:43
knowledge of my brain chalk it up to the
211:45
experience still I’m not rich but at
211:47
least I ain’t broke
211:48
never sell dreams cuz I better sell hope
211:49
hope people so lost in the mirrors and
211:51
the smoke think I’d be a real a bloke if
211:53
I said I sold dope no but my fans tell
211:55
you that I’m awesome awesome I started
211:57
selling and they bottom bottom I told
211:59
him get him and I got him so if you want
212:01
door buzz that’s not a prize it’s time
212:03
just with the noodles on the wax
212:04
rock-hard like I got the Beatles on your
212:06
back go soft make it easy living off the
212:08
map or I can go hard like your freaking
212:10
shoot on the track I’m grinding from a
212:12
zero to a stack and I’m talking about
212:14
the neuro getting jacked if what kind of
212:16
needs a new king i’ma go hard to be the
212:18
leader of the pack a needle in a stack
212:20
and I’m feeling to attack not a Bala no
212:21
– child but a hero and a black I’m an
212:23
eagle – a vegetable demon on a tractor
212:25
and the scholar and a brother you don’t
212:26
feel it if you
212:27
you’re always talking evil in your rap
212:29
and I’m trying to fill my minutes on the
212:31
map to give you throw fools for life and
212:33
get my room clean I’m the Jordan bitch
212:35
Center fat
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I will not go pop I will not go stop
212:39
when I say no means no this is true
212:41
hip-hop I do not flip flop when I say
212:43
blow me flow this is perseverance
212:47
perseverance
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this is perseverance I will not go pop I
212:55
will not go stop can I say no means no
212:57
this is true this is perseverance
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this is perseverance this is
213:06
perseverance perseverance
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and I believe what I prophesize so I
213:12
don’t apologize unless I do wrong I
213:15
don’t bow to the mob I don’t live to
213:16
antagonize but they say I’m too
213:19
outspoken smoke they wonder if I’m
213:21
joking look a little bit of chess but I
213:24
say what I feel man I’m feeling I’m open
213:26
trust in God but I live in the physical
213:28
selfish thoughts but I give in the
213:29
lyrical cops hot want my speech to be
213:31
criminal lies get fired when I speak
213:33
their political I am NOT left-wing I am
213:36
NOT right-wing I just know all these
213:38
things I know yeah you cannot label me
213:40
you can’t put shame on me when I say go
213:42
means go fresh I step into the premises
213:44
kick dope rhymes and alarm expressing it
213:46
pop online and reply to all the messages
213:48
got to spend time and I’m grateful that
213:50
you cherish it
213:51
don’t talk crap no I’d rather be
213:52
irrelevant can’t play dumb people know
213:54
that I’m intelligent you see me up late
213:56
like big beard let them in 12 years
213:57
teach now flowing like your favorite
213:59
foods your love now I’m moving up an
214:01
eminence girl show love cause I feeling
214:02
all the pleasantest got cute streams I
214:04
can never be a pessimist too much love I
214:06
can never be a feminist girls will stop
214:09
looking all incredulous I am NOT a bad
214:10
man I am NOT your nemesis always had a
214:12
Mega Drive take it back to Genesis
214:14
worked so hard time to become better
214:16
I will not go pop I will not go stop
214:19
gonna say no means no this is true
214:21
hip-hop I do not flip flop when I say
214:24
flow me flow this is perseverance is
214:27
this perseverance this is perseverance
214:31
perseverance
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I will not go pop I will not go stop
214:36
when I say no means no this is true
214:38
hip-hop I’m not flips up when I say
214:40
groaning flow just this is perseverance
214:44
this is perseverance this is
214:46
perseverance
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you