The Wrighter’s Block Episode 78 – Tony D’Orazio Get Wrighter’s Block

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yes everybody it is me matt wright coming to you live on a thursday night
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from muddy water studios located in wonderful beautiful and fantastic
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gulf coast of florida hope everybody out there is having a fantastic thursday and uh allow me to
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thank each and every one of you especially those of you who are in reno uh right now or in sparks nevada uh
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because there are many things you could be doing on a thursday night and you are choosing or afternoon i guess if you’re
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in nevada it’s like five o’clock um and you are choosing to spend this time here
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with me uh thank you all again so very much i appreciate each and every one of you and
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it’s going to be a great show first and foremost allow me to thank don and sally wright for giving birth to me because
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without them i wouldn’t be here and for that matter neither would any of you
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also allow me to thank ben i forgot what name i usually call him let me thank ben for the cava i am
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drinking on today’s episode and to the narcissist cookbook for allowing me to use his music at the beginning and at
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the end of every episode to all of them and to you i say
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with the least amount of mistakes i’ve ever made doing the intros um
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i’m very excited to have my next guest on he and i have been friends in the social media realm for quite some time
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we have not yet been able to meet in person but uh just in the time that we have known each other we have found out that
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we share a lot of things in common uh we have a lot of the same likes and dislikes if we were meeting on grindr
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i’m certain we would both swipe right if that’s how grinder works um but uh we are not we are meeting here on my show
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face to face for the first time everybody please welcome with me the
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current first vice chair of the lp of new york and is currently running
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for the chair of the libertarian party everybody welcome with me mr tony
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dorazio tony is not here tony was here
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tony hang on a second tony is coming in in just a second
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are you are you yeah i am sorry man i had no idea why i i went through the intro and then i
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switched over to this page and i was just like tony’s not here he’s like what what what he decided to
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ditch me all upside down yeah i was like wow i have no i no oh matt right oh oh oh
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matt oh there’s not after all of the wonderful things i said
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about you in the intro oh and i didn’t get to hear any of them oh that sucks
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so it sucks because you know you know when i was when i was three years old um i remember i uh my mother and my i
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was living with my mother and father in north brunswick new jersey because that’s where i was back then
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and i turned to my mother while sitting at my kitchen table and i said mom
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i want to make sure i’m a guest on that right uh podcast
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so it’s been a lifelong dream bye i i appreciate that i absolutely appreciate that and i am uh glad that we
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could finally make that dream come true uh how how you knew that a show that’s
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two and a half years old was going to be around that long ago that is some forward thinking on your part and i am
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honestly impressed so obviously before being able to come on my show and
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fulfilling a lifelong dream uh is the next greatest thing that ever happened in your life getting jason
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lyon’s endorsement for the chair of the libertarian party i was i you know i’m going to get
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serious for a minute before i crack more jokes um but i know i was seriously humbled by
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that i i was i really appreciate i listened to what he had to say about me and and i appreciated both his honesty
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about me and and and his vote of confidence yeah so yeah it really meant a lot so i
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haven’t seen it yet because i was i was at work when he did it so i signed and made a couple of comments really quick and then i had to go back and do my job
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um but uh yeah uh and i was going to listen to it on my way home
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and then he texted me as i was walking out the door and he goes i forgot to upload the episode can you do it when
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you get home and i just finished doing it right before this started so i haven’t had a chance to hear it yet but i’m looking forward to hearing what nice
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things he said about you um or what mean things he said about you i don’t really know um
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our interactions and um you know i had um chimed in on a particular
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issue in the libertarian party he disagreed and uh we had a conversation about it and he
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changed my mind on it and made me see that my opinion was you know it wasn’t the right one and i
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changed it you know because that’s the type of person i am i’m not going to be a lot of people look at
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their leadership and and the lnc chair and think oh oh they’ve got to be perfect every time
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we’re not we’re humans you know those of us on these boards we’re humans and we
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we’re going to make mistakes and we’re better off owning our mistakes correcting them when we can
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uh and and moving on that’s that’s kind of how i feel and that and that’s really
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that is what a lot of people don’t seem to think everybody thinks that their leaders need to be infallible you see it you know
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you see it especially with the tribalism that you see between the left and the right um
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with the republicans and the democrats i’ll even go more to the republicans and the democrats because i don’t want to
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get conflated between left libertarians or great libertarians um you’ll see it a lot between republicans
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and democrats like you’ll see a lot of republicans who won’t say that trump did anything wrong and you’ll see a lot of
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democrats who won’t say biden did anything wrong and when you have a
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huge chunk of the country that’s going okay i like it when they did this but all of this stuff is messed up and
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they’re like no no he had to do that that was it was important even though you know eight point three percent
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inflation gas prices at five percent you know the gas prices at record highs when
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added in for inflation um and it’s but they won’t they won’t admit to him
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doing anything wrong because they feel they have to do that you and you see that leaking over into
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the libertarian party in a lot of cases because they because they sit there and people are like nope my guy is going to do
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everything they’re going to do it right and i don’t care i’m going to back them back and back them and they won’t say anything bad about it and the other side
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does the exact same thing and it really makes the libertarian party with the different factions that are in it no
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better than the democrats and the republicans and and the reality is and this is in
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the the democrats and the republicans are like this too it’s the vocal minority that it tends to
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be at the contentive edges yeah you’ve got so looking at the libertarian party you’ve got a particular group that
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thinks that their candidate’s the right person and their messaging is the right person they want to take over the party
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which i don’t really understand taking over um
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we don’t represent everything you stand for but we’re going to take the whole thing over so you’re only everything we represent
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yes and then you’ve got a vocal group on the other side who says oh you guys are terrible and you should all be expelled from the party
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and then most of us are in the middle and we just want to see the work of you know world set free in our lifetimes
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get done and that’s kind of the group i represent right and that and that’s the group that
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that’s the group that the vast majority of people in the libertarian party are a part of and i am not a member of the libertarian
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part i am i don’t think i am i’m not even 100 sure anymore i’ve been in and out so many times um
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and a lot of it’s because of that because you get all of these factions fighting and i see how it was a
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hindrance to achieving that and i found out that me personally uh i can spread liberty in my
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own ways and get us closer to a world set free in our lifetimes without having to worry about fighting
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against this caucus or this group or whatever and it was just easier to do it this way for me
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um i understand it’s not for everybody but no which which by the way i applaud i think it’s better to have more
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organizations and more groups fighting for liberty and we can all work together even even if we’re not a member of the
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same team we can still work together we can all fight against against a world set free in our lifetime
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i love that phrase i keep using it i’m going to keep using it it’s it is a fantastic phrase now before we start
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getting into a little bit more about the lp and uh what’s going on in sparks nevada
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um because you know it’s not really reno no no it’s not reno it’s sparks the sci it’s clearly labeled yeah um
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so this is not your first time on muddied waters media it’s not no
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you were on the only episode of libertarian jeopardy
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yes i was yes you were and i believe i knocked you out of the first round which
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is funny because some time ago you
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were sitting there with mr regis philbin it’s gonna be great oh yeah it’s gonna
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be great we’re gonna have great uh on millionaire
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yeah so so that picture you just showed what is kind of hilarious is that you see regis mouth moving he is saying the
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f word is he really yes he’s cursing
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is he cursing at you he’s cursing about um he’s cursing about the show so uh so
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that taping happened during kathy lee’s last week on the other show
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so he wasn’t the center of attention and he was in a cranky mood and he was cursing at the producers all day long
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but right there we were sitting at the end of the show and he’s talking he’s leaning over to me and saying you don’t have to worry about
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all the you know and a couple of a couple of curse words that i don’t know if i’m allowed to stay on the show and
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probably shouldn’t because it’s unbecoming to a chair to say the f word but um yeah he he used a couple of
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choice words to call all the uh struggles to get to the hot seat all right yeah i was on yeah i was
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actually on two episodes of that show because that was the carryover contest oh you’re the carryover guy the one that
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like it got to the end of the hour and it was like we have to go that’s the end of our time but we’ll see you next time
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and it’s just like okay thanks regis yep um how did you do on millionaire
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i won a thousand dollars so my two thousand dollar question was kind of a curveball okay and it was such a
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curveball that they had to stop and research it for 45 minutes
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the stuff you didn’t see on tv right there’s all sorts of stuff that my
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my first episode was kind of historic and my second episode was differently historic so the first
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episode we the contestant was on before took 52 minutes to answer the last question
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back then there was no time limit on how long you had to answer the questions and he made sure that he uh abused that
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um so 52 minutes 52 minutes with regis needling him saying you know
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i’d have a lot more respect for you if you just walked away which you didn’t see on tv either
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what you did see on tv is that when you blew that question the whole place cheered
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just erupted and yeah wow [Music]
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it was wild wow um my my might yeah go on no that that’s
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just amazing you pissed off the the studio audience so bad they were happy
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you lost yep he did too he really did he was kind of
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arrogant but the um my question was um which part of a magazine would you normally look to
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find the names of the staff members these four choices were back cover centerfold masthead or table of contents
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and i reasoned through this because you know it wasn’t the centerfold because you put something else in the center floor right no yeah
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exactly i’m not looking for who who’s involved in the magazine when i’m when i’m doing this
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yeah just just just one thing um the back cover you’re it’s the back cover
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right and the masthead is where the title goes right so it must be the table of contents final answer
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then i hear a producer scream stop tape quiet on the set two producers rush to
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the podium and i’m hearing the executive producer and the lawyer argue over my answer
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they were looking for bastet so the produced executive producer
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started calling magazines and they weren’t giving him and they didn’t give him consistent
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answers some of them were saying back covers some of them were saying table of contents some of them were saying nasty
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so the executive producer and the lawyer were just screaming at each other nasty screaming at each other
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um over the headsets and i could hear it it was so loud and so i’m sitting there
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knowing exactly how this is going to go because the lawyer is winning the argument and i’m just going
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so when you see regis go i’m sorry tony the answer is c masted i’m just
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[Laughter] so so i get to the edge of the stage i’m greeted by that executive producer who
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was really apologetic he’s like i’m so sorry i fought for you i tried to get them to kick the question
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it’s okay michael really nice really nice guy almost everyone i dealt with on that show was wonderful that attorney was not so
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wonderful and regis was kind of an [ __ ] well i mean he’s sitting here just
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dropping f-bombs like he’s in a quentin tarantino movie yeah he he was
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now i want to see regis philbin in a quentin tarantino movie more than anything else i want to see that before i want to see
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freedom in my lifetime i i remember the episode of how i met your mother that he was on where they
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were looking for that perfect cheeseburger and he was right the best burger in new york yeah yeah and he was playing a jerk in
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that and uh and i’m look and i watched what happens and said that that’s the regis i know
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that’s the reasons i match you gotta tell me where is it i’ve been searching for years
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uh i love regis um so let’s go and let’s go into
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you know you are currently at the uh libertarian national convention in sparks nevada and you are
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kind of uh in my background there yeah so it looks like it’s a looks like it’s a
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pretty nice hotel actually um yeah it is pretty nice
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i love you thank you get out um
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um no no no wait no no come back come back he’s not allowed on he’s not allowed on
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the internet um i understand yeah um
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so you’re there and you’re currently running for chair of the libertarian party um yes
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why why would you want that job
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um you know i get i get asked that question all the time what do you hate yourself
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so i’m seeing a so the reason i got in this race because i had been seeing and i’ve been
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seeing this for a few years this isn’t anything new but the dominant conversation of the party has been factional warfare
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and this is something i dealt with in new york when i was new york chair and i actually saw that i got us working together i
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didn’t get us agreeing on everything but we turned the facts on warfare less into cultural personality and more into
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what um what the issues were and we’d still disagree on things but we don’t attack each other like um we’re
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bad people and we want to expel from the party and i felt like we needed some of that leadership from
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somebody in the national stage which is why i stepped up and decided to run
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there are some other things that i’m sure we’re going to talk about um issue wise that i think the national party should be doing better and i
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and i’m looking forward to uh getting some of those in place too as uh as national chair
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yeah um so i’ve always looked at the i’ve always
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looked at the um national chair as a thankless job there has not been a single national chair
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that i have been around for that wasn’t despised
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by everybody um granted most of those were by a guy i despise um but
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the one the one before him uh i didn’t like him for west ben when west benedict was chair he
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came down we were doing a special election we were doing a special election he came down to uh pinellas
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county and he did a radio interview and he said the libertarian party isn’t here to win elections we’re just here to
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spread the message while we were in the middle of campaigning in a special election in that
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in that district and i was just like and i’ve talked like i’ve met wes since then and he’s he’s a really nice guy but
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uh when he did that i was very upset with him um but it’s it’s such a thankless job that i’ve always kind of
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wondered why somebody would be willing to you know say okay i know
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that of the number of libertarians that are registered and especially of the ones that aren’t registered i’m going to get
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a lot of crap and people are going to judge me on everything that i do in everything that i say
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uh and i because you and i have interacted online
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i you know i i respect you and i like you and i consider you a friend so i’m like okay well
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i do i consider you a friend um yeah uh and it but it it’s always made
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me wonder why somebody would want to put themselves through that it’s like i’m not gonna go
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hang out with all my ex-girlfriends to hear them tell me how terrible i am
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oh well i’ll tell you i’ll tell you what um [Music] uh
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i get along with a lot of libertarians so i’m coming into this not being despised by every libertarian
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whereas i i feel like the last couple of chair races have been so acrimonious
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that it’s been hard for them to get started on their job whereas i’ve been talking
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to those people on those fringes even the ones who have decided that i’m not their guy right i i still
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keep the conversation going and so when i am share because you know i’m gonna win this
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i’m gonna still be able to work with them and i’m still going to be able to have that relationship
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where i can work with them and
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the other thing that i do and like i said one of the things that jason said i did well was
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i showed my humanity and and showed my willingness to admit when i made a mistake which yeah
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it’s something that’s hard to do when you’re in a leadership position
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especially when you’re working under a strong chair model which isn’t really a model that i think works for the lp so
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well right and that’s one of the things i’ve always noticed about you and respected about you is when
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when you make your posts and you’re joking around i find you to be just absolutely hilarious but also
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at the same time when you’re having conversations with people in the you know multitude of groups uh you’ve always been
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[Music] you’ve always been very kind and uh you
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know apathetic to what it is they’re saying like you you you’re willing to listen and that is the biggest key factor i
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think uh is that you’re willing to listen to other opinions that aren’t your own and you are not so steadfast in
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what you believe that you can’t be swayed if you realize what you are saying is uh
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what you’re saying is wrong i think any i think any leader needs to have that
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quality though i think if you’re a good leader you’re talking a whole lot less than you’re listening
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and that’s just that’s always been my leadership style my leadership style at
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the state level at the county level and professionally you listen more than you talk
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it’s just how it has to be or how it should be anyway so just uh just so you know uh both the
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lunatic libertarian and liberty shamrocker are both saying they are backing tony for lnc chair uh in the
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chat right now so oh you have at least two right here um well they’re both they’re both
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wonderful i did lunatic show and and that was a lot of fun you know shamrocker and and i we go way
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back so yeah no she’s great uh she’s great and uh lunatic uh he’s a muddied water
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subscriber and uh he’s he’s in our chats and stuff and he’s he’s he is a good
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dude um yeah so what are you the top changes you want to see when you become chair
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like what what are the uh big issues that you’re trying to face well i want to see us
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simplify the messaging i don’t necessarily see [Music] overhauling the messaging which is
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improving um being such a great thing but but making it simple going back to our platform and our
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principles talking speaking to those on a simple level and on a broad level
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a bold boldly they’re not going milk toast on them but speaking of them boldly and also
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without going too far um as i put it earlier um
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it’s having a liberty message that that is neither uh or uh
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um so the um something that the american public can understand
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and grow our membership one of my firmest beliefs is that messaging really shouldn’t come so much
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from the national party at least not specific messaging there are obviously exceptions to that we should have been
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far um better out front of the mandates we got there but we never got there as boldly as we should have we didn’t get
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there early enough we should very much be boldly anti-war because that’s definitely a federal issue yes
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but let’s come back to them talking about the mandates and end all mandates means different
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things to different states right ending all mandates in new york and then the old mandates in florida are two entirely
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different things um yes they are because we didn’t have many
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no you didn’t and frankly businesses were not weren’t even allowed to discriminate on that on on that they
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weren’t allowed to have the freedom of association no and the nlp florida you know it was a
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very important issue to be in front of the mandates and don’t have mandates and very very important we’ve got to remember that’s a
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mandate um he sorted it out many mandates but they had that
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where and in new york i think it’s pretty well known that we were the most mass state in the
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country where three masks to to go shopping
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you guys were more emotional you guys were more mass than california yeah i would okay i wasn’t 100 sure
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because i mean it just i just figured that was a coin flip yeah i think california was pretty well
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matched too there were similar restrictions on um outdoor dining right um
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new york city was even worse i i had people who i know people friends of mine who lost their jobs because they
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refuse to get the vaccine for one reason or another yeah they oh oh you you’re not vaccinated i’m
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sorry you can’t work here yeah i’ve known people that that i actually know people that happen to here
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in florida uh before they before they passed the law in florida saying that you couldn’t
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do that um right and i mean when when florida was passing the
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law saying that as a private business you couldn’t ask for uh vaccine ids vaccine passports i was of such mixed
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feelings about it because i as the libertarian that i am i was like
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it’s a private business they can say who comes into their restaurant and who can’t or comes into their business and who can’t come into their business uh
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but also as a libertarian is like nobody has a right to see my medical information so i like i was of two completely
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different minds of it that were like battling on which one it was and i if you want to judge somebody on on
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the color like the way i saw it was if you want to judge somebody on the color of their skin or the religion that they do or whatever i don’t care i want to
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know because that way i know i’m not going to give you any business if you want to judge somebody on their medical stuff i also want to know
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because i don’t want to give you any business so i started toward the end falling they should be allowed to
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discriminate based on this and florida shouldn’t tell them not to um
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but at the same time i was glad i didn’t have to not go to any businesses
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well that that is kind of nice well uh you know in both of those are libertarian positions and this is one of
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the uh crazy things about our party is that there are people who are on opposite
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sides of the aisle if you’re talking about a duopoly relationship and there are certainly people who say
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there are people on the right who say oh florida did it right and there are people on the left who said oh new york
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did it right when in fact neither one of them did from a libertarian standpoint and that’s the beauty of deliberate
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libertarianism in general is we are a big tent and people from both sides of the aisle
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we are a gigantic tent and we should be and um people from both sides of the
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aisle can really get behind liberty as as a cause uh i know a lot of people in the modern
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movement that have come in the last 10 years came out of the ron paul um
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movement which is which was a decidedly right movement i came into libertarianism from the
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harry brown movement which was far more left uh movement so
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we do we do go through waves in the uh in the in the liberty movement but we’re all libertarians
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and uh that’s one of the beautiful things yeah i kind of lucked out because i didn’t come in because of a politician
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uh i came in because of a friend and he and i would sit there uh what i was living in tennessee
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and i was i was a republican light i guess i just was like yeah i’m a republican i don’t
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know and he and i would sit down and uh have conversations we started having conversations because we were both red
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sox fans and then we started talking about politics and we agreed on a lot of stuff and i was like so does that mean
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you’re a republican too which i thought was weird for nashville i just assumed everybody there was a democrat right and
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he goes no i’m a libertarian and i was like oh that’s that thing that i tested
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once and they said that i was a libertarian and i thought it meant i was on the spectrum and my dad said that just means you like to smoke pot
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and i was like oh okay and so i started looking more into it and i realized that yeah this is what i am i believe in just
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freedom for everybody um but the guy’s name’s brett courier he’s a good friend of mine and uh he is the reason i became
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a libertarian and he’s also one of the reasons that this show exists at the end of the day i i
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didn’t come in my way in was was similar sure i the first the first libertarian i
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had ever heard of frankly with howard stern in 1994 but uh and he’s definitely not a little
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yeah i was gonna say that that was a while ago yeah it was that was his dc 101 days
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yep it sure was but no he was in new york at that point was he in new york at that point
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he was in new york though uh so uh so in 1996 i was i was candidate
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shopping because i didn’t like pirro i didn’t like clinton i really didn’t like gold and i was a democrat so i started
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looking around i found harry brown who’s kind of intrigued by some of the things he was saying also scared the hell out
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of me how much he wanted to abolish i kind of understand a lot more now but right at the time it scared the hell out
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of me so i decided to give the libertarian party of new york a call you know i thought i’d get a voicemail and
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oh they’ll send me some literature and and sign me up for a mailing list and i got a woman on the phone
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the the vice chair the party at the time her name was i dotty lou brokaw okay and a lot if you’ve got some
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old-time libertarians from new york who are watching the show they’re going wow he knows daddy lou brokaw i haven’t
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heard that name in in a decade um she she passed away in uh 2003
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unfortunately um she had cancer but she was she was a candidate for governor a couple times she was a
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multiple times state vice chair and we talked for a half hour about libertarianism and how how liberty
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really applies to everyday life and and how a and a more and not only the uh strict anarchist approach but
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also a more pragmatic approach to it that’s what sold me is the fact that a libertarian took the time to
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answer the phone and talk to uh some kid who had some questions about their ideology
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and that and that’s what that’s where messaging becomes such a huge part of trying to recruit people
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into the libertarian party because i believe i believe uh that there are just
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tons of libertarians out there who don’t know they’re libertarians and they’re relying solely on social media messaging
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and whether you’re seeing it from the fringe on the right or the left of the libertarian party or
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from the libertarian party in general i sometimes think the message is lacking um that is one that is one of the things
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that i have definitely uh noticed uh what how would you fix the messaging of the
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libertarian party like what what what would you do to change that well well the first thing i would do is
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i would i would keep it simple and simple messaging just works best especially from the national party where
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it needs to stay broad the second thing i would do is i would i and it’s not just the chair doesn’t do
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all this because there’s got to be a team and i’m only one person so there is somebody who is a communications
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director and our current one is actually pretty good but she is only as good as the tools
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that she has and and the direction that she’s given and and i would be giving
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a slightly different direction than the current in the current chair which is fine but then i’d want to work with the state
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parties and more even more so with candidates because candidates and state parties are the ones who are actually
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out doing most of the outreach and the ones who can speak to the local issues
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we have a um in new york we have a congressional candidate jonathan howe who is running in uh aoc’s district in queens
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i live in rochester new york i even i can’t speak to what’s going on in queens i can speak some i clearly
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as a state leadership i have to know what’s going on around the state but at the same time
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jonathan is speaking more directly and more realistically as to what’s happening on
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a day-to-day basis in queens he can see he knows um how that bodega in the corner is
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affected he knows how a libertarian libertarian solution to the mta he
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these are the types of things that he can speak to and of course he’s speaking at a federal level so the mta really wouldn’t apply to him but
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that type of thing larry sharp um is our governor a gubernatorial candidate right
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and more people are getting coming to the party because of things that he is saying and how he is speaking to voters
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than anything the national party has said but likewise uh dave jones in tennessee
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i i i don’t know what’s going on in tennessee but he uh state chair of the tennessee party sure does and as a as a
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congressional candidate he sure he really does so he can speak too
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um he can speak to um what’s going on there and that’s where i think the real me the real
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messaging needs to come and having a simple messaging message to work with from national
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and some encouragement from national maybe even some tools and some training from nashville that cut to help that
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come along is going to go a long way towards making us a party that that has a good message
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that gets out there and attracts the new libertarians and brings back the old ones frankly
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yeah that’s so that is honestly because the libertarian party is a bottom-up organization uh yep that’s the way it’s
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supposed to be you supposed to be the locality your counties your county’s affiliates to your state affiliates to
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your uh national affiliates and so many people focus on the national when you need to be focusing i should be focusing
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on pinellas county and maybe hillsborough county because i work in hillsborough and i work live in pinellas um
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you know like i should be focusing on those two and not you know what’s happening in all of florida or what’s
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happening in national and the way that i’ve always kind of seen it for the libertarian party anyway
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uh is that nationals should do training on messaging and uh training
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for uh candidates so they know how to go out there be prepared for these kind of questions that sort of thing uh and i
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don’t think that they should be getting involved in all of the little issues that some of the states are
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having um that’s just been my opinion on what national should be but it seems like
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over the over the years national has started taking on a bigger and bigger role
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so much so that they um so much so that a lot of people have put
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as much faith in whoever is chair no offense to you uh whoever is chair uh as
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republicans and democrats put into whoever gets elected president and it’s
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that’s not who you should be focusing on you should focus on who’s chair of your county affiliate and who’s chair of uh
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you know to a lesser degree of your state affiliate is my personal opinion
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yeah it’s mine too and i i um you know there are a couple presidential
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candidates for our past said that they were running for the office to leave you alone and
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i kind of see that i don’t necessarily say the same way as the lnc chair but
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moving it less from uh leading from the front but also
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hand hand on the shoulder leadership where we’re here to help not not to
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make it more difficult for you to message we’re here to help not tell you what to do
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and we should be a support organization so those state and local parties can run
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candidates who can uh knock it out of the park right exactly now on your website one of your
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platforms is called the build risk mitigation and business continuity
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yes yes the sexiest part of my platform can you explain to everybody can you
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explain to everybody what that is so so we we’re we’re a party that is uh
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perfect that are acting like a professional party we’re trying to anyway but a lot of the tools and a lot of the
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procedures we have in place are really more grassroots uh our our hq
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staff doesn’t have an hr department we don’t have data protection
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uh we don’t have any data protection safeguards in place so we have lost data
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we’re getting better at that but stuff like that where we actually
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what happens what happens is the crm just dies and we don’t have a backup of the data how do we continue on with the
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organization what happens if we don’t have email how do we continue on with the organization
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what happens if the building in washington dc catches on fire how do we continue as an organization
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and it’s something that as essentially ceo of the party
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we need to be looking at risks the chair should be looking at risk like this
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it’s a more pragmatic and practical side of running an organization like this
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and we haven’t we’ve we have had cases where we’ve lost females
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we have had cases where we have lost data or data is incorrect
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we have had cases where hr really probably could have helped us out a little bit on a national level
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and and there are ways that ways around it that don’t involve us hiring hr director but
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but stuff like that um puts us at long-term risk as a party
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and we are small we are the third largest political party but
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it’s like walmart and target so i’m competing with a lemonade stand right
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yeah and so i work in hr which not a lot of people do because i don’t really advertise that
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i work in hr and uh it’s a soul-sucking experience and i hate it uh like i love
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my job because i just make stuff on the computer for other people to look at but like when i hear about you can’t say
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this and you can’t do this and when somebody comes to you to talk about this you can’t tell them to suck it up um
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apparently that’s not hr friendly i don’t know oh weird rub some dirt on it walk it off
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you’ll be fine put some wood excited right put some
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windex on you’ll be fine just get back out there um yeah i i could not imagine
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the hellscape that hr for libertarian party would be oh it would be tough but it would be at
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the same time i think we’re lucky we haven’t gotten sued more in all honesty because that
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there is so much acrimony and a lot of that acrimony is le is level that um at
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uh h at the hq staff which who who are really hard work top to bottom
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everybody there works hard whether or not i think they’re doing a good job i think for the most part they are but
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but they’re definitely working hard for party for the party and like the chair
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aren’t getting a whole lot of thanks for it i am happy to my my background happens to be i.t
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so uh hr and it have a lot of um a lot of friendships in in the business world we have to work together an awful
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lot privacy is huge to both of us because we because it has to be and boy
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do we throw the best parties [Laughter] because we have to drink at the end of
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the day to forget some of that stuff but i think that i think that’s why it’s so hard for me
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to be in hr is i quit drinking yeah so that’s probably it right there
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um no but yeah that was you know i um
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yeah i’ve had a great relationship with hr department said every job i’ve had because we have we have to have such a
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close relationship in order to do it to do that because because prior yeah privacy is tantamount
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in both of those departments um so
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obviously we kind of covered this a little bit uh at the beginning but there it’s no secret that there’s like a
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massive caucus division in the lp and like you know like we said you know most of us the fringe like it’s going to
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be the minority on either side that are the loudest and then a lot of people in the middle who are kind of choosing
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sides based on what’s being said on the outsides um right what do you think would be your role
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in this in these disputes um so i have i’ve made sure that as part of
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my campaign i’ve reached out to both sides and both sides have of course demanded
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that i drop out of the race and support our candidate uh which of course i said no i’m not going
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to do that but here’s what i will do and what i found a lot of the times is
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that they feel that if the other side gets in their voice is going to be completely squashed that’s not going to
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happen if i’m chair we’re not going to squash voices we’re not going to be the party of gatekeeping
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we’re going to be a party that welcomes anybody with a libertarian viewpoint even if it’s right or left
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libertarianism because they’re both valuable to our party i see myself as a mediative on a
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conciliat conciliatory presence maybe right uh that i think
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that’s going to be the thing i’m going to bring most value to the party is that i’m going to be doing this and i’m not
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going to be doing this in back rooms i’m going to be doing this in the open and i’ve already been doing this in the opening if you’ve ever interacted with
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me on social media or in a political party or at work uh then you know that i am i walk the
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walk that i really do work with both sides i really do that’s all out in the open
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yeah absolutely very true because again like i’ve said like anything i’ve ever seen from you on social media you are
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willing to listen you’ll hear both sides and then you’ll make up your mind and it’s
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it’s refreshing to see honestly um do you think that there’s a point where like there should ever be intervention
47:12
from the chair in some of these fights or should there just be kind of more of a mediator like should there ever be a no you get you need to
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stop it never should come to it shouldn’t come to a
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that should never be our first line of defense not a share uh i i would i will always choose
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diplomacy first there are cases where
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and i’ll give an example where i where i think the chair should step in and be a little bit more strong on this and have
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a message where where where they say no that’s not something you should do if a state for
47:48
example starts coming out with decidedly non-libertarian messaging like
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i don’t know black people should um should pay reparations um
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that’s a decidedly non-libertarian message and the chair should not be afraid to say no that’s a decidedly
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non-libertarian message but even in that case i would have a private conversation with with the um with their
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communications director first let them defend themselves on that one because boy i’d love to hear the defense
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on that one right but but but still be pretty firm on the fact
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that that’s not a libertarian message and it’s it’s really not helping our brand
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in cases where we need to defend our brand um diplomacy really shouldn’t be
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um an option and there are some cases some really extreme cases um such as fraud
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um theft of funds from the party that the funder assets from the party or threats
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of violence that you can’t really screw around on you need to
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come hard out hard on that and say you know what that’s not something we can accept and
48:59
that goes that actually comes back to my risk mitigation platform so one of the like one of the things
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that i try to i try to stay out of lnc business because i am not a member of
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the libertarian party or at least i don’t think i am um i might be i’m not 100 sure uh but one of the things that i
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saw most of is there were different factions which i’m not you know we all know who they are
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you know who they are we know who they are we don’t need to say but in some of the states
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things were happening where like entire state affiliates were being disbanded and then restarted like would that be a
49:34
time for the for the national chair to step in well there comes a point where the where
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the national party has to decide who is the legal affiliate but that’s not just the chair that’s the entire llc then
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in each of the cases where a new affiliate was formed
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one i see errors and how it was handled by nationals in every one of them and two
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i think we would i think a lot of those problems then maybe not all of them but a lot of those problems would have been solved by diplomacy
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am i actually having conversations which is something that some libertarians have forgotten how to do
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um i’ll give i’ll give it i’ll give an example there um
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what happened in massachusetts because now there are two massachusetts parties that are fighting with each other over
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which you want to see what states i was thinking of yeah yeah i’m not surprised
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um i can see people i can see errors on both sides and of course if you’re on one side of the other no we did
50:40
everything perfectly it’s the other side they did everything wrong well no
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and we have we have right now there’s the national chair has taken a stance on that one
50:52
the lnc and the credential committee have taken a stance on that one and i have a feeling that there’s going to be a floor fight on that one tomorrow
50:58
um that that i’m not looking forward to but at the end of the day the state
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affiliates the state affiliates recognized by the lnc need to
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be have the autonomy to run their own affairs but at the same time
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i’m not going to be promoting a culture of gatekeeping um
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there are other cases where um the fashion that broke that broke off or
51:27
were thrown out of the party and started a new party did so rightly um you know they should never have been thrown on the party in
51:32
the first place uh and there are cases where um
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and i can think of at least two cases where the parties that are in place may not be a faction that some people agree with
51:45
but they used the rules that were in place and showed up right and
51:51
yeah and pennsylvania is the one that that jumps to mind the rules of the pencil of the pennsylvania libertarian
51:57
party stated that they they didn’t break any of those rules and and they showed up now there are
52:03
some questions about whether they broke their state laws or not i haven’t even looked into that yet
52:08
but um you know each one of us is different right yeah
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each one of those is different um and like again there have been multiple
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there have been multiple over the last year that you have seen this happening um and
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i felt that while there was a breakdown at the state level there was also
52:32
it was either national need to get involved or not get involved and they had to get involved at some point to say which one was the legal what the
52:39
rightful the lead the the legal affiliate um and it never seemed like any of them
52:46
were actually it it didn’t seem like that was being done in a way that was
52:52
so in every case i guess is the best way to put that in every case in the last two years
52:58
where the chair got involved directly in in resolving those disputes
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it went badly yes yeah that’s it the chair made it worse um frankly and
53:13
i’m looking at the new hampshire situation um it jumps right right out to me on
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that it was uh joe bishop henchmen uh whether or not he should have
53:24
resigned over it we used to debate the councilman i don’t know that he should have but but what he did to uh help a
53:30
faction um in the party that was not happy with what was going on in the state just it
53:37
wasn’t the right way to do it and it made things worse and and raised the acrimony i i want to end that
53:43
acrimony i want to uh have a party where we can work together with both sides and
53:49
it’s really new hampshire was especially hard for me because so when that the day that whole thing went down where where
53:56
their state chair um basically took their ball and and formed a new committee right
54:04
i had friends on both sides of that friends on one side who were very much we did the right thing here this is the
54:11
only way we can survive and friends the other side who said why did they take my party away from me right
54:17
yeah the the day that that happened um the day that that happened i was at
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the florida libertarian convention um and i was not a member so i couldn’t vote on
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anything because i wasn’t a member of the party um but uh but uh i was here with uh
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spike cohen was in town i don’t know if you met him he’s this guy i know um
54:42
next time next time we’re together you should introduce me okay sounds good um
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but uh yeah i i was here with him and uh like i was on my phone and i looked at
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it and i showed it to him and he just look he looked at it and he stood up and he said i’ll be back and he just walked
54:59
away you know i’m just gonna keep scrolling because this doesn’t affect me the slightest
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um yeah because i report the news um so currently as we like as we said
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obviously you’re in the hotel there in sparks nevada i am uh i’m assuming and i could be wrong i’m
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assuming you are at the booth that you have i am okay well that’s good would you
55:22
like to see it absolutely i would like to see it come let’s go for a walk let’s take a
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look at tony barazio’s booth at the lnc convention in beautiful sparks
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nevada so so yeah just just we just want to just want to stump for uh my friend that
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not them defy the power who are absolutely wonderful and make those beautiful those beautiful mugs
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i i have one right here i haven’t decided i have a defy the power tumbler
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so yeah let’s come back
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it looks like there’s been like looks like there’s a good turn out there so far and it’s it’s still relatively early
56:21
yeah oh yeah it is i am terrible with the camera aren’t i there we go
56:27
there is tony dorazio’s team right there they’re they’re there they are like
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cracker jack team you can see my ugly mug at the edge of the booth there you you are a fetching man let’s not say
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that it’s an ugly mug you are a fetching man let’s let’s not lie to ourselves i mean yes
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i apologize oh no please please don’t apologize that’s why we’re here
56:52
so yeah so that’s my booth so uh how is like i’m assuming that you’ve been talking to the people who
56:58
are there who are going to be voting yes um what’s the experience been like like have they been receptive to what you’ve
57:04
been saying extremely um it’s you know everybody wants to see the cooperation there are a
57:11
few people who have already decided on another candidate but even then they’re saying you know
57:16
what i i’m probably going to vote for this person but you’ve given me something to think about or i’m probably
57:22
going to vote for this person but i really like you and if they get knocked down i’m voting for you which i still love hearing and i’m
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hearing that from both sides which is great now that and that’s you know for a lot of the cases people
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have their mind made up and they know who it is that they’re like and
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that’s where like that kind of ranked choice voting comes into play and like you
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you being everybody’s second option could work out that not saying you are i’m you you’re a number of people’s first options but you
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know what i mean i’m stumbling over that one no no no you’re fine you’re fine that’s actually happened we um
57:59
there was a time several years ago where there was somebody who came in fifth place on the first ballot that ended up
58:04
winning chair because they kept everybody being everybody’s second choice
58:10
so that’s everybody that dropped out everybody who dropped out ahead of them all their votes went to one guy so
58:16
eventually he had enough to win um uh eskimo libertarian who is supporting
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you by the way as she has said in the comments she’s won she’s wonderful she she is uh
58:27
my favorite member of the muddy waters team i’m not gonna lie um
58:33
she is more important than me in this organization um she wants to know if you have the argyle
58:39
suit with you i definitely i don’t have to i don’t have the jacket but i definitely have
58:44
the pants okay very cool um so
58:51
the debate is tomorrow night at seven pacific
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correct okay so it’d be ten o’clock ten o’clock my time ten o’clock easter yep
59:02
right um so 10 o’clock eastern is that going to be aired for everybody to see do you
59:08
know or is that just going to be for the people there i think it’s going to be on youtube it may be on c-scan 3. i’ve
59:14
heard rumors of that okay um
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c-span i’ve actually heard that before too and it was always a lie when i heard it um
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uh but what what am i one of my supporters wanted to come up and say oh just to you
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well it’s good to see chrissy um
59:41
so and then the election is going to be on saturday during the business meeting which i don’t know what time that is
59:47
yeah so so it starts at 90 am ish okay i figure it’s gonna be a couple
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hours to hear hear us blow v8 about what we’re going to do is share and then the votes
59:58
right okay um so how are you i want you to be as arrogant as possible
1:00:04
on this question how are you feeling okay how are you feeling i’m feeling i’m actually feeling really well and i don’t
1:00:10
even have to be arrogant okay to say that i i think i have a really solid chance to win this
1:00:16
um i i think i have a lot of support i think i have um more support than some
1:00:22
people suspect i do uh everybody seems like i want to vote for you but nobody else i don’t think
1:00:28
there’s enough other people voting for you but yeah that you multiply that by 500 and
1:00:33
i’ve got the chair right so and and i i think i think i
1:00:39
i’ve got a really good shot well uh i feel like i’m about to sneeze and i’m
1:00:45
trying not to because i know we’re coming up on the end um okay uh all right
1:00:51
so uh obviously we you know we wish you all the luck in the world and uh we we
1:00:56
will be watching intently to see how this turns out uh on saturday saturday
1:01:02
and uh we may we uh we may do a simulcast tomorrow night of
1:01:08
of the chair debate on ours um nice i’m not sure yet uh i’m gonna i might
1:01:15
have to talk with jason but uh it it’ll be a fun thing to do um i agree
1:01:21
so uh no before i let you go because i know that there’s probably a ton of stuff i know
1:01:26
that everything’s getting ready to really start getting kicked off based on the calendar stuff that keeps popping up
1:01:32
i’m booked for the evening for sure right um is there anything that you want to pitch to everybody uh right last
1:01:39
minute pitch to anybody who happens to be in sparks nevada who does not have their mind made up
1:01:46
so if you if you want to um if you don’t have your mind made up please come see our booth we’re right um right across from
1:01:53
the most important booth um in the place um we’re across from the you are the power booth by the way
1:01:59
um we are um i’ve heard again is that a good organization
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okay um i mean so so just just just to let you
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know all day long that’s what i have staring at me
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is he five nine in that photo because if not it’s a lie
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well i’m sick sick so yeah he’s about it’s close okay all right as long as he as long as he’s not lying to the people
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about his height no no it’s pretty close so um please but
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in all seriousness come talk to me i i even if you are decided or leaning towards another
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candidate come talk to me if you don’t feel like you want to come talk to me come to tonyforchair.com that’s tony the
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number four chair.com um four is the number of uh times i’m i
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would be okay with you voting for me uh hopefully we’re done with that before then hopefully it doesn’t go full round
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um and um if you can give me a buck or two to help me defray some of the costs of uh
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of running myself into bankruptcy for doing this i’d appreciate it uh excellent so yeah everybody tony for
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chair.com i have more contact info for you but do you want me to share that
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yeah you can share that i’ll look fine okay the phone number also
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um yes the phone number’s fine okay actually that phone number is fine okay
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i wanted to make sure like i had it in here and i was like i don’t want to share that without his permission i forgot to ask you before the show
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um no phone number’s fine okay so i’m including all of tony’s contact information in the comment sections so
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you guys can reach out to him uh you can reach him at tony at tonyforchair.com uh and check him out on his website at
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tonyforchair.com tony i wish you the best of luck this weekend uh we will be watching intently
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um and i hope that on i hope that on saturday i can call you
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with a congratulations and uh i’ll let you know that uh i’m happy that you won
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i i hope so i hope so too i look forward to that call you know it’s always good to get a call from a red sox yeah
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absolutely love them socks they’re turning around already and i’m like yes they
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don’t suck um we have i’m gonna i’m gonna let you go
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uh if you need anything don’t hesitate to reach me out i’ll text you with my number it sounds great thank you matt we’ll
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we’ll talk soon i’m sure all right buddy i’ll talk to you soon all right all right thanks
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all right that was absolutely fantastic tony is a
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wonderful wonderful person um and uh i wish him all the luck in the world in
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this election um i do not know if jason has a show tomorrow
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i forgot to ask him i was talking to him all day long and i forgot to ask him that question
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uh so we will find that out later uh we will find that out tomorrow at two
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o’clock he did have this very special episode today if you saw it on facebook you excuse me facebook youtube or twitter uh
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you already know if you are a subscriber on muddied waters media uh anchor dot fm slash
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muddy waters media you can already watch the video on spotify or anchor fm
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and if you are not a subscriber you can wait until i finish uploading the episode so you can listen to it
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um tune in well this weekend everybody’s at the convention so i’m certain there’s
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going to be a lot of stuff going on and then tune in next tuesday where spike cohen and i will be parsing through the
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week’s event like the sweet summer is it summer yet not technically like
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the sweet spring centaurs that we are uh and it is going
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to be the last live show for spike kevin and i uh that is a regular live show
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everyone after this is going to be a special that we do uh so tune in for the very last scheduled live show
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uh and uh we’re gonna have some fun with this one i think uh i have monday off for a holiday so i’m gonna put together
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something that’s gonna be really great and really fun for everybody um so tune in then and then join me back
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here next thursday for a brand new episode of the writer’s block before we
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go your fun fact of the week that i forgot to look up beforehand so i’m just going to
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a random page and this one seems very very man this is a really good page every citizen of kentucky
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every citizen of kentucky is required to take a bath at least once a year
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and kentucky gave you thomas massey and rand paul
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and they have these bath mandates in kentucky i think uh we need to and
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savannah uh savannah maddox i think we need to call savannah maddox and rand paul and thomas massey and ask why they
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live in a state that has these massive restrictive bath mandates
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forcing people to bath against their will once a year uh but yeah kentucky you have to bathe
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once a year by law thank you all so much have a great weekend tune in tomorrow for mr america the bureau of truth if
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there is one if not we’re going to try to figure out a way to simulcast the uh chair debate um and um
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just have a fun weekend if you’re not if you’re not in sparks nevada don’t really worry about what’s going on in sparks nevada go out and have fun it’s memorial
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day weekend it’s a three-day weekend go out have fun do something that you normally wouldn’t do don’t just sit at home go out have a good time
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and don’t stress about whatever drama and craziness is happening out there you
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made the wise choice and stayed home thank you all so very much for tuning in for this fantabulous episode of the
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writer’s block uh we will see you all next week and remember no matter if you are white if you’re black if you’re
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brown if you’re christian if you’re jewish if you’re muslim if you’re hindu if you’re buddhist if you are skinny if
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you’re fat if you’re somewhere in between those two if you’re fit if you’re not fit if you’re vegan if
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you’re a carnivore at the end of the day it is night
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