(((My Fellow Americans))) #43: Free People and Free Markets with Charity Nicole

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and his wife Kelsey as they prepare to
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their family at this point she may
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already be here I haven’t talked to them
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in a bit so she may already be here but
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we are really excited Lee waiting for
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that Jason of course is the host of mr.
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America the bearded truth which airs on
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Mondays and Fridays here on muddy waters
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media Jason Kelsey we love you all and
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we can’t wait to meet your your little
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baby their little Liberty the first
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muddied waters baby we’re really excited
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about that
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so guys without further ado my guest
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tonight is a really cool lady and I’m
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super excited to have her on she is with
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Americans for Prosperity which is one of
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the largest Pro Liberty organizations in
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the country she is a tireless advocate
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for Liberty and by that I mean that she
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hasn’t slept in four days when we were
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getting ready to go live she was just
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pounding Red Bulls and
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screaming at we which which I hope
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really helps to set the tone for this
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episode she here she’s here to talk
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about free market solutions to some of
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the largest problems facing us today
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ladies and gentlemen my fellow Americans
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please welcome the lovely and talented
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MS charity Nicole charity thanks so much
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for coming on yeah thanks so much Mike
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for having me on her show I’m really
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excited about this I have to admit your
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your resume usually when I give an intro
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I’ll say what their resume is and say
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the things they’ve done and yours was
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several paragraphs of not even sentences
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several paragraphs of just like that’s
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like bullet list of stuff you’ve done
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and it was so extensive that I didn’t
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even know where to start
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so um I’d still be saying it now if I
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had listed it all out so instead I made
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a caffeine joke and I feel terrible
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about that
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hey I mean I’m actually I’m drinking
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off-brand red bull or I know is it what
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does that cause that like red thunder or
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something like that yeah yeah it’s from
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all these and it’s definitely worth it
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so so I knew deep down yeah that’s
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intuitive
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I have ESP you guys be sure to comment
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with your questions and thoughts and
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charity and I will tell you if you are
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right or wrong never know it probably
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rephrase that be sure to comment with
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your questions and thoughts and charity
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I charity and I will tell you that you
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are wrong that’s essentially what this
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show boils down to if we’re not telling
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each other that each other is wrong then
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we’re aiming that at you and telling you
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that you’re not a real libertarian this
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is kind of a standard thing for the show
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so this is your first time as a guest
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and I’m like I said so happy to have you
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on first question I asked new guests to
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my show is how did you get to your
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current political beliefs would you say
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that that was like an aha moment or a
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gradual evolution and honestly even
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further back admittedly I’ve only known
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you very briefly so I don’t know a heck
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of a lot about you other than your your
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op-eds and stuff that I’ve read so tell
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us a little about yourself tell us about
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tell us about charity okay so actually
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the answer to your question like my like
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hot like how did I get to like where I
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am like politically or like my Liberty
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like moments or whatever I think it’s
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actually a combination over like an aha
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moment
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and a gradual so so basically I kind of
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feel like I’ve always been Liberty
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leaning um but I definitely like I had
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an I had like an aha moment and so I’m
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gonna tell you a little bit about that
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so sure my parents are very conservative
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people they’re very very conservative
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they’re they’re one issue voters that’s
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abortion and that’s like the only issue
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they vote for but they’re also like the
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kind of people that only vote in general
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elections and when I turned 18 for some
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like weird reason I was just like you
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know what I really I just really want to
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like go caucus and like it was a very
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strange that so in Minnesota I’m from
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Minnesota you’ll you’ll notice that when
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I said they were bag yeah we know but ya
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know so I so we used to be a caucus
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state and because we were a caucus state
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it’s like a very involved process I
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don’t know if you’ve ever done a caucus
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before it’s it’s very different than a
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primary some reason had done one but
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I’ve read descriptions and talk to
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people have done it and it is it is an
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intense process yeah yeah and especially
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for for me at 18 like watch I was 17
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when I did it because I was I was gonna
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be eligible to vote during the next
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election or whatever like we were like
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caucusing for okay and so I basically I
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went to this I went to this caucus and
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like I just like want to set like the
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picture okay so like I was a goth kid in
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high school and so like I’m a cop can I
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show up to like a Republican caucus is
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all these like older white people that
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are like super conservative right right
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and they’re just gonna like looking at
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me like okay like what does she do I was
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like so excited and I like drag my dad
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with me and my dad definitely like went
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because I think it he thought of it as
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like a like a bonding moment like oh
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like my daughter like there’s like hope
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she’s a Republican right little did he
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know I’m not okay whatever but yeah so
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uh I went to this caucus and and I
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caucused I believe for for Newt Gingrich
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and I stayed through the whole caucus
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process and all these people like all
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these Ron Paul people came and did their
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whole speeches and then ever
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but he basically laughed but I’d like
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begged my dad like stay through the
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whole thing right and at the very end
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they have this whole thing where they
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like do like amendments to the state
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party platform okay and this guy got up
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he was a Ron Paul supporter and I would
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describe him probably as a creeper
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karien now although I didn’t like have
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those words at the time um definitely
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like I’m taller like bearded like like
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like you know like burly man and he his
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amendment was to strip the the party
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platform with the the language that was
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in there to protect traditional marriage
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and what he said was you know we’re the
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party of small limited government we’re
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always talking about how we want
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government out of our bedrooms and out
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of our homes and here we are trying to
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you know literally be in people’s
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bedrooms and in people’s homes right and
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like he totally got shot down like he’s
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a madman could go anywhere but um I just
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remember being very like awestruck at
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like 17 like that guy’s right right
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right right we are the party of small
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limited government you know that’s like
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what we stand for and here we are
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you know trying to do yeah it’s
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legislating like how a family’s gonna
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look right right right yeah and and it
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really just it really really has stuck
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with me and then I’ve had a few
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different other aha moments throughout
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my through my life just I have like
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brought me closer and closer to Liberty
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and you know flirting with anarchy
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occasionally I love your show this is so
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you know they talk about the libertarian
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– all right pipeline I am the
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conservative – straight to Anarchy
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pipeline like you skip libertarianism or
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orally or Minoru ISM you skip that you
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just go straight to like cuz it’s like
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well if you want to limit government why
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because it’s evil okay well why do you
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want it at all well we need it for some
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things it’s so evil that we want to
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limit it to the most basic functions of
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a society so um so I won’t I’ll let you
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talk first before I do that anyway oh no
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I
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you know you yet actually I’ve had a
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couple different like aha moments just
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from listening to your podcast so I’ll
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be honest um this is the first time I’ve
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actually seen the
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like live which is weird because I’m on
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this and I’m watching myself live
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usually I listen to it on my my Cass
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Cass baka Box app I listen to it in the
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mornings already cool so yeah it’s yeah
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I mean so this is a I mean I get this is
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an investment to watch this like and I
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say that is in to watch like the entire
13:33
like if you really want to watch the
13:34
entire thing a short episodes an hour
13:37
I’ve had one episode with like a black
13:40
nationalist that lasted four and a half
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hours know it to watch listening is a
13:45
totally different thing you can do other
13:46
stuff you can drive you can do all that
13:48
that I get so I know that’s that’s
13:50
finite hey we love our listeners too we
13:52
actually have more listeners and
13:53
Watchers so so so that happened with the
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with the the neckbeard Tyrion and and
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that was kind of I guess your first dear
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first where you were kind of having your
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narrative of the Republican Party
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challenge right I’m guessing yeah and so
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then so how it tell us more about that
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how did once that got seed got planted
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then then what happened um well then
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okay so basically I I always kind of
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knew that I was I was like different
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than other Republicans I was knew that I
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like had stronger convictions that maybe
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the you know rhinos didn’t don’t
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necessarily hold night and I always kind
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of knew that but then I got an
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opportunity to go volunteer and Rand
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Paul’s campaign oh wow okay and so so
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basically what happened is a friend of
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mine spontaneously invited me to go
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watch Rand Paul I think University of
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Minnesota so I went and then I got on a
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mailing list and then actually actually
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even before that I I was doing like a
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political project for a class I was
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doing I think I was doing like political
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PR was like one of my classes I was
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taking oh cool yeah and so my mom
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basically knew my mom had a friend I had
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a friend that knew somebody that was
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going to be running the Rand Paul booth
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at the Minnesota State Fair and that guy
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his name is Xavier shoutout to save your
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picket he
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is a huge part of like why I’m like
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where I am right now he’s the chair of
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the Republican liberty caucus in
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Minnesota and he basically chatted with
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me a little bit
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I gave him my resume and then I ran into
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him again at the the Rand Paul saying at
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the university Minnesota he recognizes
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me and then he two weeks later just
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randomly calls me I so I had this this
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call from this unknown number and I
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don’t always pick up unknown numbers but
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sometimes I do and this time I did and I
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was like hello he’s like hey super
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random this is Xavier and all of you
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remember me but I’m driving down to Iowa
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right now I might lose connection sorry
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but I just really want to invite you to
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come out for a weekend and just check it
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out and it’s like this is super weird
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like I all right I don’t know anything
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about like you know being politically
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active like I just like I went to
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caucuses and like I thought it was like
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fun and stuff but like I didn’t I never
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like made a phone call you know what I
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mean or like I’d never make knock on a
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door before and so I was like okay you
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know I’m sure so like I went down there
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um and I just fell in love I just fell
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in love I fell in love with with Rand
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Paul at the time I really loved what he
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had to say but more than that I got
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really jazzed about the people that I
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met poverty minded people and like for
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me I was like where have these people
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been I a wife like I felt so isolated I
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felt so like oh you know I’m just like
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the weird like girl that like you know
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has these like Liberty beliefs and you
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know I just but I thought all these
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people that were just like me and it was
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really really cool so when I left I
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didn’t think I was that guy I didn’t
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think I was gonna go back because I had
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to work and I had school and stuff but I
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I left and like I cried on my way home I
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literally cried on my way home the
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six-hour Drive I was like these people
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so much already
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it’s really funny to me because every
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person that was on that campaign that I
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really really liked and was like really
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sad to leave I’ve worked with in some
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capacity since
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right right yeah and that’s it that’s
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the thing with like that I hear from a
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lot of people is that like when they
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discover it’s one thing to have like
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libertarian friends on Facebook or
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whatever you know it’s another thing to
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like actually meet with these people and
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like have this kind of experience I’m
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someone that I think I’m wired
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differently because I revel in like
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telling people my fringe opinions and
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you know you know like like telling my
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you know uncle that I you know think
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that nuclear weapons should be you know
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legal for everyone and stuff like that
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and and it just looks and I’m like yeah
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and like and be willing to argue it to
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for normal people most people if you’re
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the only one in your social circles that
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even and I’m not I’m not saying you want
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to rate legalized nuclear weapons I’m
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just saying whatever your you’re out of
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the mainstream opinions are if you’re
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the only person in that circle and
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everyone’s giving you pushback on both
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sides about how crazy that sounds for a
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lot of people it starts to get like well
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maybe I am crazy like maybe there’s
18:36
something wrong like maybe maybe I
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should be so to be around people that
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are like that and advocating for and
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pushing for it it’s a lot of you know it
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helps kind of jazz you up right like I
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mean it’s an exciting thing now we have
18:50
a very important question from from one
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of our regulars Jacob LaBelle um he said
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that he was gonna critique you for being
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a Republican convert until you came out
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as a Minnesota and so he’s good with you
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now but he he asked if you can please
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say oofta and explain why it’s hot dish
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I know oh man oh man
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gusta is definitely like I’ve said that
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in conversation before and I like moved
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to Virginia maybe about a year ago and
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people are like what did you just say um
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ya know so so hot dish is definitely in
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the way to go because what is a
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casserole you know like it’s if you’re
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not eating a hot dish like are even
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living your life I don’t know as opposed
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I’ve never as this as opposed a cold
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dish yeah why would you have a cold dish
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when you could have a hot dish actually
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though I’m in Minnesota there
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there are dairy queens that are open 25
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like year round okay um and I love going
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and getting I can ice cream on like a
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negative degree weather day it’s just
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there’s something just really refreshing
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about eating a blizzard outside you know
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I don’t know I just can’t explain it I
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also cannot explain it this is a very
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like when I talked to Wisconsin and
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Minnesota people and they craved the ice
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and and I’m the opposite I’m I grew up
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in the south so like even being up here
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during the during the summer when it
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gets into the 50s some nights I’m like
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man it’s kind of cold and people look at
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me like no it’s great yeah I prefer to
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bake in the Sun until I’m actually brown
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so I that’s it that’s definitely a
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cannot rely I can relate on the hot dish
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though because if you’re gonna have a
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dish like a casserole it needs to be hot
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now that’s now Lieut lutefisk which
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sounds like a nightmare is that cold or
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hot I’ve actually never had lutefisk it
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is a hot dish well it’s it’s a hot dish
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right so it’s a dish that’s hot
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it’s basically fish that’s like I think
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you bury it in life or like your days
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know you cook it yep until until the
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bones liquefy I’m told the bones liquefy
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from that fermentation and lye breakdown
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of the of yeah never no no I’ll just
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I’ll just eat my wall I am I tear tots
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you know I just ya know I’ve had hog
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snouts I’m not gonna have lutefisk like
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it’s not a hog snacks are actually good
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oh the snout of the hog it’s all it’s
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just like fat and cartilage oh okay I
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mean I’ve eaten a dog before so I mean
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really really I spent some time in China
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and when I was in a I think we were in
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Queen win um it’s like basically on the
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very southern and it’s hip
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I’d like the peninsula on the East Coast
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we we went during a certain season when
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they’re having a dog festival and
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basically they they put your bunch of
21:54
dogs and then sell them in the
21:55
marketplace so we wouldn’t we picked out
21:56
the dog from the marketplace and you
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cooked it it was really good I mean
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here’s her my cognitive dissonance
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comes in that offends me and there’s no
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I don’t have right and I’m not a person
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who gets offended but I’m a big dog
22:10
person
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I’m eyed snoot poops every day I was
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just at a friend’s house sniffing but or
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pooping sniffs whichever that goes um
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and yet it’s an animal a sentient animal
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that’s being killed with roughly the
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intelligence of a pig but because we’re
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used to them being pets we associate
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them as like little hairy people and
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it’s like you can’t kill Jimmy um so
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it’s it’s funny to me but uh so like I
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said that’s Mike that’s my like I’m like
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how dare you like just say that so
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casually but yet if someone said I speak
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so be honest I don’t really I didn’t
22:48
grow up with pets some a little I’m a
22:50
little bit different so like I totally
22:53
get that like if you have like this like
22:54
emotional attachment so like an animal
22:55
but like I I didn’t grow up with pets I
22:57
don’t have an emotional I’m actually
22:59
kind of scared of dogs I think they’re
23:00
usually big dogs
23:02
so my not so you know because you’re
23:04
scared of him my wife’s scared of
23:05
chicken she loves chicken because it’s
23:09
if it’s your enemy what better way can
23:11
you take out your enemy than to kill it
23:13
and eat it or have someone else kill it
23:14
and then and then you don’t even have to
23:16
touch it you just eat it so speaking of
23:18
that of eating dogs and chickens um tell
23:23
us about Americans for Prosperity what
23:25
are you doing over there that’s the best
23:28
segue I had for that what kind of stuff
23:30
do you do there um yeah so I just
23:33
recently started at Americans for
23:36
Prosperity I am a state Operations
23:38
Coordinator so basically what that means
23:40
is that I help coordinate internal and
23:43
external communications throughout the
23:44
state operations department okay so I
23:47
get a really cool job I work in the
23:49
headquarters and I get to like basically
23:52
talk to people that are on the ground in
23:54
this in the state’s actually doing like
23:56
the the day-to-day grind and and I get
23:58
to talk to them and if I know what
23:59
they’re doing and give them you know
24:01
ideas and make sure that they they have
24:04
the training that they that they need to
24:05
be able to do what they what they love
24:07
and what they what they need to get done
24:09
and and then I also facilitate external
24:12
communication within the greater
24:14
stand together community that’s really
24:16
cool yeah we one of my I forget which
24:20
episode but I had doing Lester on who is
24:22
with the grassroots Leadership Academy
24:26
which is part of AFP they’re the ones
24:30
that go you may have talked to him at
24:31
some point they’re the ones that go
24:33
around he travels the country teaching
24:35
activists so people sign up and say I
24:37
want to become an activist with the
24:39
Leadership Academy and he basically
24:41
teaches them how to become activist
24:43
leaders in their community and how to
24:44
agitate for change and things like that
24:46
so it’s really cool stuff that that AFP
24:49
does so so you just so that that’s why
24:53
you moved to DC yeah well so um I I
24:59
moved to DC because I wanted to work for
25:01
the network um I actually moved without
25:03
a job
25:05
I define it I just knew yeah DC yeah so
25:11
so it’s kind of crazy um so basically I
25:12
did Kipp the Koch internship program um
25:15
and I was with the American Legislative
25:17
Exchange Council hmm and what happened
25:20
is I so immediately prior to that I was
25:23
on a six-month mission strip like
25:25
immediately prior to that so I literally
25:27
flew from Nepal to Hawaii had like three
25:30
days in Hawaii to graduate the program
25:31
flew back to Minneapolis for one day to
25:33
swap out my suitcase I’ve been living on
25:35
it for six months into a different
25:36
suitcase well that could fly back to DC
25:39
but I couldn’t find housing when I was
25:42
in Nepal because you know it’s a 13 hour
25:45
time difference and it’s really
25:47
difficult to like find people and like
25:49
connect with them for housing so I moved
25:52
out to DC a year ago didn’t have a house
25:55
I lived in a hostel for six weeks five
25:57
weeks long as a Kip in DC yeah there’s a
26:03
there’s three different hostels that’s
26:08
very nice that’s pretty cool but yeah so
26:11
I lived in a hostel and then my mom kept
26:13
basically telling me like all right well
26:15
like when you do find your housing like
26:17
make sure you only sign like a
26:18
summerlee’s like don’t do anything crazy
26:20
like I sign a year lease or anything
26:22
right and I literally like I like I just
26:26
had this like moment of like
26:28
I like looked at my life and I was like
26:29
you know I could I could listen my mom
26:32
and I could just find a place where it’s
26:34
just the summer but then I’m gonna go
26:37
back home and do and do what like do
26:41
partisan politics again I’d worked as a
26:43
legislative assistant for a state
26:44
senator in Minnesota so the I had been
26:48
offered positions backward it within
26:50
partisan politics and I just I just
26:55
found my passion working within the
26:57
cocoanut work I found people that would
27:00
pay me to talk about liberty like that’s
27:03
listen if you can do it I mean you’re
27:07
you’ve described the high flying life of
27:09
a of a Koch brothers Schill of course
27:11
but no I I love both the Koch brothers
27:17
and the organization they’re doing
27:18
they’re not anarchists or whatever but
27:20
they are they’re doing some incredible
27:22
work where most other billionaires are
27:24
out there pushing for a more centrally
27:27
planned command economy so that they can
27:29
control the levers of it and prevent
27:31
competition here is a group of
27:33
billionaires that are they’re not the
27:34
only ones but they’re definitely the
27:36
most most prominent one saying no no we
27:38
need more competition we need more
27:40
innovation we need more market solutions
27:43
to to ideas and you know for them to
27:47
work I mean I recently read one of the
27:50
Koch brothers it’s working with George
27:51
Soros of all people to start an anti-war
27:54
thing because yeah if he’s anti-war and
27:57
I’m anti-war and we’re both anti-war on
28:00
the same terms and we’re gonna agree to
28:03
disagree on this other stuff that we’re
28:04
usually our activists are fighting
28:05
against each other on or lobbying
28:08
against each other or whatever on let’s
28:10
work on this and and do that so no I I
28:12
have nothing but but good things to say
28:14
but I always loved when I when I talked
28:15
to an AFP person I’m like coke shell and
28:18
you know that’s your your only your
28:19
clearly you know you only did this for
28:22
you know for that for the money you
28:23
didn’t do it cuz it’s your passion or
28:25
anything like that oh man yeah so well I
28:30
wanted to just say really quick so like
28:32
after I did the the coke internship
28:35
program I flew back to Minnesota I had
28:38
signed a year lease I was I was paying
28:40
to lit to live out here but I
28:41
Minnesota thing I was just gonna be like
28:43
a couple weeks fix my car we’re gonna
28:45
drive out here and then just like figure
28:48
it out
28:49
and then I just never fixed my car
28:52
enough to drive cross-country so I
28:55
literally just I sold my car on Facebook
28:58
marketplace old it within about thirteen
29:00
hours of it being on their lot plane
29:01
tickets and my mom was like what are you
29:03
doing I don’t have a job like and I was
29:06
like mom I love you I’m gonna go at this
29:11
at this point you had a lease right yeah
29:13
yes I did
29:15
I sold three more you’ve sold your car
29:18
you’ve signed a lease you have no job
29:20
you’re moving to one of the most
29:21
expensive places on earth to live and
29:23
your mom is sitting there just like
29:24
aghast that like you’re just like yeah
29:27
I’m gonna do this that is funny
29:29
it’s working but you know what I figured
29:31
out I worked at Target and then I got a
29:33
part-time job at the Leadership
29:35
Institute
29:35
I’m opening mail and I made it happen
29:39
cuz I just you know if I if I want
29:42
something like I’m I’m gonna make it
29:44
happen so and then I and then I landed
29:48
my job at AFP and I couldn’t be happier
29:50
so ya know you’re making it you’re
29:52
making it work for you I’m happy for you
29:54
um so we’re so one of the as you know
29:59
Liberty has been a hard sell for
30:03
American voters whether it’s through
30:06
you’ve done work with or working with
30:08
the Republican leadership caucus of
30:10
Minnesota you’re with AFP you’re doing
30:14
your own you know I guess off shelf
30:16
advocacy you know your own op eds and
30:18
things like that which I want to get
30:19
into later but you’re you’re seeing that
30:24
no matter what Avenue it comes from
30:26
there’s this sort of resistance to it on
30:28
all fronts how much personal
30:32
responsibility do you take for that do I
30:35
personally take you personally yeah oh
30:37
man well I mean I can’t necessarily I
30:42
can’t change everybody’s mind but I do I
30:46
do think that there is a personal
30:47
responsibility on my end – at least
30:49
advocate for the things that I believe
30:51
really strongly about and and to make
30:53
sure that people at least are educated
30:55
about why Liberty is so important and so
30:59
so when that respect like I I do take
31:02
personal responsibility to like make
31:04
sure the people know like I is I
31:07
appreciate that you have taken my joke
31:10
to heart and are explaining how personal
31:12
responsible you are for this but but no
31:15
so I guess now that I’m not joking what
31:19
would you say are the biggest reasons
31:22
why there is this like pushback on
31:25
Liberty ideas people thinking it’s nuts
31:27
the idea that you can do stuff without
31:29
someone pointing a gun at you and
31:30
forcing you to do it I just think people
31:33
are uneducated about what a law really
31:36
does honestly I just think that people
31:38
they just think oh you know we’re gonna
31:41
implement a law because that person’s
31:42
doing something I don’t like but they
31:43
don’t like think about the fact that
31:45
like a law is literally violence yeah
31:49
and and because people don’t like think
31:51
about it that way they they don’t it
31:55
doesn’t resonate with them the way that
31:57
it resonates with me because I came back
31:58
I came to that realization you know and
32:00
I can’t it’s it’s very difficult for me
32:04
to advocate for the violence against
32:07
another person just simply because
32:08
they’re doing something I like yeah
32:10
exactly so this is actually the one year
32:13
art for one year the five year
32:15
anniversary of Aaron Eric Garner’s death
32:18
and for those who do I would imagine
32:21
most people listening or watching know
32:22
who this is but just in case Eric garner
32:24
was a man in in New York I think it on
32:26
say in Brooklyn who would he was a
32:30
father and grandfather and he would go
32:32
to stores
32:33
he’d buy cigarettes and then he’d sell
32:36
the loose cigarettes he’d walk around
32:37
and sell them for like 75 cents apiece
32:39
because the price of cigarettes in New
32:43
York is ridiculously high um so if he’s
32:46
like 15 bucks it back yeah it’s an
32:48
absurd price so if you if you want a
32:52
cigarette
32:53
most people just can’t afford a pack of
32:55
cigarettes so they’ll get a cigarette
32:57
and so it’s it’s I guess a fairly
32:59
profitable thing so shortly before he
33:02
died the chief of police put out a
33:05
basically a notice to the police
33:07
officers to start cracking down
33:09
hard on and to start forming units to go
33:13
after people that you know routinely
33:14
sell loose cigarettes so before where
33:16
they might warn you now they’re like
33:18
they’re gonna arrest you and put you in
33:19
jail and make an example out of you and
33:21
so in the course of arresting him they
33:23
end up toppling him it’s a disagreement
33:26
as to whether they choked him or just
33:28
had him in a headlock
33:29
whatever he died um and when you tell
33:33
this to the average person you’ll get
33:34
one of two reactions from the left
33:36
they’ll start talking about and these
33:37
are valid points they’ll start talking
33:39
about institutional racism they’ll start
33:41
talking about excessive police a use of
33:44
police force they’ll start talking about
33:45
these things which is great but then if
33:48
you say well it all happened because of
33:51
the tax it all happened because there
33:53
was a ridiculously high tax on
33:56
cigarettes and then a law that you
33:57
couldn’t sell them loose to get around
34:00
the retail taxes and that none of this
34:02
would have even happened and they shut
34:04
down and go well we need those taxes
34:06
because they use that to educate people
34:07
as to why smokings bad so we need those
34:09
taxes and it’s like yeah no but but this
34:13
is he would have never they would have
34:15
never come up to him like there would
34:17
have never been a police force
34:18
excessiveness to be had in the first
34:21
place they have that disconnect on the
34:23
right their disk and I’m speaking
34:25
generally there’s you know many people
34:28
on the right that are that see this as
34:30
the travesty it was but there are many
34:31
people on the right who go well you know
34:33
he had a criminal history and he was
34:34
resisting arrest and it’s like okay but
34:37
look at his criminal history
34:38
it was mostly selling stuff that people
34:41
wanted but it was against the law
34:43
including the loose cigarettes and yes
34:47
his resisting arrest was saying help I
34:51
can’t breathe
34:52
and trying to get a arm off of his neck
34:54
because he felt like he couldn’t breathe
34:56
and it sounds like maybe he was onto
34:58
something because then he died so I I
35:02
agree with you that it’s very often that
35:04
they don’t understand that a law equal
35:07
is going to equal violence if someone
35:09
doesn’t comply but there’s an I
35:11
personally think there’s another layer
35:12
to that where when the violence is used
35:15
they say well they should have complied
35:18
or well it’s because they’re racist or
35:21
whatever
35:22
whatever thing they’ve been taught to go
35:25
to they either they either defend the
35:28
violence like with war or whatever else
35:29
they either defend the violence or they
35:32
go well yeah that violence is bad
35:34
without making the connection of about
35:36
what that violence actually is is that
35:38
what you’re seeing out there when you’re
35:39
when you’re doing your advocacy and
35:40
talking to people yeah I mean that’s
35:42
that’s exactly what it is and I think
35:44
there’s an even bigger issue
35:46
specifically on the right that’s that’s
35:48
very concerning to me um and it’s this
35:51
it’s this attitude of sorry this is a
35:55
little bit of a segue but one of the
35:58
really frustrating things for me
36:00
when I talk to people on the write about
36:03
things that I think are really important
36:05
issues like police brutality for
36:07
instance yeah or immigration right or
36:10
even climate change right so when you
36:12
talk to when you talk to people on the
36:14
right and they hear some of these things
36:15
and they’re immediately
36:17
reaction to some of these hot-button
36:19
issues is like how is big government
36:21
going to be used in these areas and
36:25
whenever we Republican talking points
36:28
they have and they use that almost as
36:31
like a mask to to to block out other
36:35
information yep and they basically go no
36:38
no the only narrative the only narrative
36:41
that I can believe is the narrative of
36:43
my party the only narrative I can
36:45
believe is the narrative of Trump
36:48
you know big government is using climate
36:50
change as an excuse to have more big
36:53
government you know what there are valid
36:56
examples of where climate change has
36:59
been a talking point used by Democrats
37:02
to expand government I totally get that
37:04
but just because that has happened in
37:07
the past doesn’t mean that climate
37:08
change doesn’t exist yeah absolutely in
37:11
fact I have a whole I even made graphics
37:13
for this segment
37:15
which I guarantee Nicole I called the
37:18
charity Nicole climate change hour of
37:19
power um but the first before we get
37:22
started I have to do my uncomfortable
37:24
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38:20
I have no segue for that but my plugs
38:23
over so now begins the charity Nicole
38:27
climate change our power so I am a
38:31
recent before we get it cuz I’m very
38:33
interested in talking about this the
38:35
opioid crisis income inequality
38:37
basically all the things that
38:39
conservatives like put their fingers in
38:41
their ears and pretend either it doesn’t
38:42
exist or that just everyone needs to get
38:44
arrested or something like that so that
38:47
that’s why I when you said you wanted to
38:49
talk about that I’m like yes finally um
38:51
so full disclosure I am up until
38:55
recently a I guess a climate change
38:58
skeptic and I’m still not I think some
39:00
of the more alarming narratives I’m not
39:03
seeing the evidence for but I just for
39:06
the people who are watching this who are
39:08
like me literally a few months ago I
39:10
just need to be we need to go over some
39:14
basics here on on on climate data
39:17
because there’s been a lot of
39:18
misinformation the first one is that
39:20
we’ve heard that the globe is cooling
39:24
that is year over year simply not true
39:28
you might have one year that’s cooler
39:30
than another but the trend line is is up
39:34
and has been for quite some time in fact
39:36
this goes back and I used to do this I’d
39:38
say well yeah that’s 200 years you know
39:41
of data and and and proxy data but you
39:44
know what about you know way back in the
39:46
day and it’s yeah it’s it’s still it’s
39:47
it’s going up and
39:50
and it’s going outside of the there is a
39:52
natural range of climate inversion and
39:57
Sun activity is the dry main driver of
40:00
that’s like 97% of it human activity
40:02
makes up roughly it depends on who you
40:04
ask anywhere between two and four
40:06
percent so let’s say three percent of it
40:07
is is is coming from human activity the
40:10
problem is that because it’s not
40:11
happening as part of a natural cycle it
40:13
doesn’t when it goes when the when the
40:16
carbon dioxide goes into the atmosphere
40:18
it doesn’t naturally come back it’s not
40:21
recaptured so that three percent would
40:23
be like if you had a full bathtub and
40:25
you added a tiny drip drips of water
40:28
over the course of decades or centuries
40:31
and what happens is eventually it starts
40:34
to overflow and so using that same
40:36
analogy here that little of contribution
40:38
from human activity is off slowly
40:41
offsetting that balance and that’s what
40:43
we’re seeing play out in in the actual
40:45
data unfortunately like charity said
40:49
there are many people that like it like
40:53
an Alexandria occasional Cortes or
40:54
before her the the granddaddy of climate
40:57
change alarmism Al Gore who will say in
41:00
ten years the oceans are gonna rise
41:03
twenty meters and they’ll say all of
41:04
these things and they’ll make movies
41:06
about where the tides stop moving those
41:09
are things that if they happen it would
41:10
be several generations out more than
41:13
likely again depends on who you ask but
41:16
this is an actual thing it’s a thing
41:19
that needs a solution and because most
41:23
of the climate change activity is coming
41:25
from India China Brazil and then to a
41:31
lesser extent the US and the US has
41:33
actually been reducing climate emissions
41:35
for the past several years this has to
41:37
be a solution that still creates
41:40
profitability because if you if it’s a
41:42
if it’s a if it’s a solution that
41:44
reduces economic activity China’s not
41:47
going to sign on India’s not going to
41:48
sign on Brazil is not going to sign on
41:50
none of these developing countries are
41:52
going to sign on so with that said I
41:55
hope I gave you enough of an intro intro
41:58
there what are the kinds of things that
42:00
you believe about climate change and
42:02
what
42:03
some of the the things you you you
42:05
believe might help with it
42:07
to bend that curve at least yeah um so
42:10
thanks for putting that graph together
42:11
that’s awesome that’s way cooler than me
42:15
shouting about how everybody else is
42:18
wrong no it’s no it’s it’s more
42:21
informative
42:22
it is not cooler actually screaming is
42:24
cooler but I’m sorry good I mean I like
42:29
to be informed I don’t know it’s
42:30
whatever
42:32
so okay sorry just a really quick
42:35
tangent they always say like
42:36
libertarians are like a little off
42:38
because they like the graphs and charts
42:40
but it’s not the things that resonate
42:41
with people right and I’m like yeah but
42:44
graphs and charts man like exactly don’t
42:50
exactly okay no I agree I agree yeah so
42:55
so here’s the thing regardless of
42:58
whether or not the the earth is cooling
43:03
and we’re all gonna die in 12 years or
43:04
not right right we should we should
43:06
protect the environment because it’s the
43:10
only thing that we have going on right
43:12
it’s like it if we if we pollute the the
43:15
world around us like we’re gonna be
43:17
living in in that pollution like this
43:20
that is that really the world that we
43:21
want to live in do we want to and I say
43:23
that you know having lit having lived
43:26
for for three months in Nepal having
43:28
lived for three months in China and it’s
43:32
disgusting it’s it’s absolutely
43:34
disgusting and it’s an education issue
43:36
out there it really is it’s an education
43:39
issue they don’t realize that you know
43:41
if you eat a bag of chips and you just
43:42
throw it on the side of the road but
43:43
it’s not gonna decompose in three days
43:45
it’s gonna sit there for months and
43:48
years and and it’s gonna harm the
43:52
environment I mean you can’t drink the
43:54
water you can’t drink the water in in
43:56
India and Nepal and China and it’s
43:58
really sad because it’s really harming
44:01
the people that live there but you know
44:05
we don’t it’s people that live in in
44:08
America and in Canada right we don’t
44:11
necessarily see that perspective because
44:13
we’ve always had clean water we’ve
44:15
always had
44:16
the ability to recycle and we’ve always
44:18
been educated and in you know yes you
44:21
should recycle and this is how you
44:22
recycle and maybe you know think about
44:25
not using as many plastic water bottles
44:27
and bring your own water bottle and and
44:29
we have all these education programs so
44:31
it’s it’s different for us because we
44:34
don’t we don’t see how bad it can get
44:36
right so I just not I’m getting my water
44:40
bottles out of the way no more water
44:44
bottles we here at muddy waters me
44:46
Tierra anti water bottle no III agree I
44:49
don’t think the average American
44:51
Canadian developed world or who hasn’t
44:55
spent much side much time outside of the
44:57
developed world I don’t think we
44:58
realized how filthy and I’m not saying
45:03
this as an insult to those people the
45:05
level of standard of cleanliness for
45:08
like ever in India is a joke like people
45:13
religiously bathe in the Ganges and are
45:15
getting diseases from it because it’s so
45:17
filthy
45:18
something like seven I I wish I had a
45:22
graph for this but it’s not related to
45:23
climate change these these big plastic
45:25
patches that are happening in the ocean
45:28
I’m about to rant now by the way I’m
45:30
sorry
45:32
I did I I know you’re the guest but just
45:34
bear with me because I have to do this
45:35
I’m in Canada right now where businesses
45:40
are required to it may just be an
45:41
Ontario but businesses are required to
45:44
charge you for the little cellophane
45:46
plastic bags they’re required to charge
45:48
you five cents and for a while the
45:50
businesses would just be like oh we’re
45:51
charging you but they would just eat the
45:53
five cents well now they can’t and so
45:55
now everyone either has to pay five
45:57
cents for a bag or they’ve come in with
45:58
their own bags which I do I before we
46:00
cross the border I Jack a bunch of bags
46:03
from the Buffalo Walmart and and so I
46:06
just use those when I’m here most people
46:08
they’re just carrying their groceries
46:10
around like they just raided the place
46:12
and I get the the where that comes from
46:16
that mindset of where that comes from
46:18
but yet the reality of the Garbage Patch
46:20
is that 50% of it comes from plastic
46:24
fishing nets and then of the other 50%
46:26
something like 80 percent of that 50%
46:29
comes from
46:30
seven rivers in China and India that go
46:33
out into the ocean we have zero concept
46:36
of how filthy that the the the the level
46:40
of pollution in the developing world
46:42
makes the worst years of the u.s. look
46:45
like the cleanest time ever it makes the
46:48
60s and 70s in the u.s. look like the
46:50
absolute cleanest time in human history
46:52
there’s no comparison which is why we
46:55
need actual solutions that they can make
46:58
money from and and and generate as
47:02
opposed to losing light because they
47:03
won’t do it they can’t afford to do it
47:04
so I’m sorry that’s my right well so on
47:08
that note one of the things that really
47:14
bothers me and about about the United
47:17
States’s approach to climate change
47:21
specifically is recycling right so if
47:24
you think about it 10 15 years ago you
47:27
could go on pick up camp my dad told me
47:30
stories about how he used to as a kid
47:31
you know he didn’t have a job he was
47:33
kind of poor and he would go and he’d
47:35
pick up cans off the side of the road
47:36
and and he’d go into people’s houses and
47:38
be like hey you know gee are you done
47:40
with that and then my dad’s not too
47:45
priori oh no that is very
47:47
entrepreneurial did knock on behavior
47:49
are you done with that over there that’s
47:52
and the thing is that we used to get
47:57
paid to recycle and actually it did it
48:00
helped people that were lower income in
48:04
the sense that they had they had that
48:06
ability to go to go recycle I had 10 15
48:09
years ago I had a friend that was a
48:11
little bit lower income and they they
48:15
worked in a grocery store the whole
48:16
family did the mom dad grandpa grandma
48:18
they all work the same grocery store so
48:21
they got a discount on soda and then
48:23
they would recycle the soda cans and
48:24
with the money that they would recycle
48:26
their sort of kenseth actually paid for
48:28
the cost of getting more soda with their
48:31
their discount right um and I thought
48:34
that was really cool I was like sweet
48:35
you know like that’s a really great way
48:37
to like you know be able to afford your
48:39
vices and the thing is is that now you
48:43
have
48:44
to pay other people to recycle and not
48:46
only do you have to pay to recycle
48:48
you’re mandated by law in most places to
48:50
now recycle right yeah and so and and
48:53
here’s an even crazier thing so there’s
48:55
a city in minnesota bloomington they
48:59
about two three years ago in the name of
49:02
climate change right in the name of
49:04
protecting the environment and making
49:06
sure that there was less pollution from
49:08
garbage trucks on the road they
49:10
basically institutionalize a monopoly so
49:13
that certain districts could own only
49:15
certain districts could have certain
49:16
garbage companies that there was an
49:18
excessive pollution from the garbage
49:19
trucks going in and out and then
49:21
everybody’s recycling garbage costs
49:23
tripled yeah like this isn’t helping
49:27
what you’re what you’re actually doing
49:29
is is you’re enforcing people that maybe
49:31
are poorer to get the lowest cheapest
49:36
cost options for for recycling or for
49:40
for garbage maybe it’s not enough to
49:43
hold the garbage for their entire
49:44
household and then they just throw it on
49:46
the ground and they throw it in other
49:48
places it’s it’s not actually helping
49:51
the environment it’s it’s really sad
49:52
because you know that’s what happens
49:54
when government gets involved you know
49:55
they they actually ruin whatever it is
49:58
they’re trying to do Oh
49:59
government either creates a problem or
50:01
exacerbates it oh that daddy’s there
50:05
that those are their two functions
50:06
create problems and/or exacerbate them
50:08
here’s it gets even worse with the
50:10
plastic recycling there is now so much
50:12
recycled plastic because the whole model
50:14
wood for government was we’re gonna get
50:16
all this recycle plastic and then
50:18
they’re gonna they’re gonna send it off
50:19
to be recycled into new stuff and and
50:22
then that’s gonna generate income well
50:24
that makes sense
50:25
unless you’ve mandated it and now
50:27
there’s a glut of recycled plastic
50:28
there’s so much recycled plastic that
50:31
most of the of the places that we’re
50:33
doing it will no longer accept it
50:35
anymore because they can’t sell it to
50:36
anyone no one wants it so now they’re
50:38
burning it they’re burning it and yeah
50:42
I’m sure so when you think of all of the
50:47
diesel fuel that was burned having these
50:49
extra trucks just for recycling instead
50:52
of just taking and now instead of just
50:54
taking it to the local dump or or taking
50:57
it somewhere to be in sin
50:57
and generate methane or whatever now
51:00
it’s being put in in barges and and sent
51:03
across the the world because you can’t
51:05
afford to have it done here to be done
51:06
in China of course and now they’re
51:09
literate so they bring it over in these
51:10
gigantic barges and God knows how for
51:12
the you know people give a hard time for
51:14
someone having an SUV think about the
51:16
amount of greenhouse gas pollution is
51:20
done by a barge you know doing its
51:22
regular rounds and just to send this
51:24
plot the raw plastics to or I guess the
51:27
recycle the recycled plastics they’re to
51:29
be remade and when they get it there
51:32
after a while they hold it it’s it’s
51:34
below cost that they can even sell it
51:36
for they can’t sell it for enough to
51:38
cover the cost of transporting it yet
51:40
again to somewhere else and so they just
51:41
burn it and and they’re not even burning
51:44
it in like these safe you know methane
51:46
recapture things where they can but so
51:48
the people who 10 15 20 years ago we’re
51:52
saying why don’t we just take this stuff
51:54
and put them in uh in in in in in
51:58
methane plants and and burn them and
52:00
have you know filters charcoal filters
52:02
that hold all the the carb carbon that
52:04
comes from it so that it’s relatively
52:06
clean why don’t we do that it would save
52:08
you know all the all the transportation
52:11
emissions and and everything and the
52:13
cost but it didn’t sound virtual virtual
52:17
virtuous enough right you couldn’t
52:19
signal virtue by burning trash you can
52:22
signal virtue by telling everyone they
52:23
got to sort their plastics and glass
52:25
then do you know it’s like it’s like
52:28
when you give someone a you know like a
52:31
it’s almost like a fidget spinner like
52:32
you give them something to make them
52:34
feel like they’re doing something when
52:35
in reality you’re just a lot of the time
52:38
wasting their time voluntary recycling
52:43
would have generated or would generate
52:45
enough recyclable materials to make an
52:49
it to make a profit from it
52:51
mandating that everyone does it has
52:53
created a massive glut and they could
52:55
actually and doing less damage to the
52:58
climate and air pollution and everything
53:00
else just by burning it but there’s a
53:02
that would have been a market solution a
53:04
government solution where they’re more
53:05
concerned with how it looks so they can
53:07
get reelected gave us what we have now
53:11
well okay so in Arlington County which
53:15
is where I live right now in Virginia we
53:18
just we just got a letter in the mail
53:20
it’s basically saying that sorry we no
53:24
longer accept glass you no longer accept
53:26
glass to process because it’s too
53:28
expensive basically and we don’t have
53:30
the resources to be able to to in the
53:34
excess of the capacity which we have
53:36
glass to recycle we are no longer
53:38
accepting glass to recycle and it’s
53:41
actually crazy to me because since I
53:42
moved out here so in Minnesota you can
53:45
literally recycle anything I mean it’s
53:48
crazy like you can you I think it
53:50
there’s like charts they like have like
53:53
that they like hand out to people and
53:54
then like like my friends like I go over
53:56
to their houses it’s like in the in
53:58
their garage it’s like all the things
54:00
you can recycle and other things you
54:01
can’t and it’s like very minimal what
54:04
you can’t recycle basically right right
54:06
that’s nice that’s how it is up here
54:08
pretty much like yeah it’s like used
54:12
paper towels and stuff are pretty much
54:14
the only thing that can’t be recycled
54:15
the food goes into a composting thing
54:17
plastics and glass go into one thing
54:19
metals go into another so it’s like
54:21
there’s a very small list of stuff
54:23
that’s like you said that’s not
54:24
recyclable yeah
54:26
well then but then here in Virginia like
54:28
I’m getting like like shout out to my
54:31
roommates you’re great but like they
54:33
were like you know saying things like
54:34
hey you know you can’t recycle that and
54:35
I was like please you can’t recycle that
54:37
what and it’s because okay oh here they
54:41
there is such a like you said such a
54:44
surplus of recycling things and and the
54:47
government doesn’t have the capacity to
54:49
be able to process it and so they’ve
54:50
limited what they can and what they
54:52
can’t recycle yeah and I don’t I just
54:54
don’t think that would happen if if it
54:56
wasn’t a mandated thing if it was just
54:58
people that wanted to recycle it because
55:01
they were in you know had innovations
55:04
that would better suit the particular
55:08
area that they’re in and and actually
55:10
made things recyclable in their area
55:13
based on like what people were consuming
55:15
you know and actually were able to make
55:17
a profit off of it we wouldn’t have this
55:19
problem no no and and in and now that it
55:22
they can’t actually make any money from
55:25
it
55:25
they have these contracts they’re
55:28
required to take it in
55:29
they can’t dump it or burn it so they
55:33
have to ship it to another country yeah
55:38
burn it and everyone else this is what’s
55:41
happening
55:42
there’s elekid’s top-secret they’re like
55:44
hey look I mean they’re actually
55:45
lobbying in some places they’re lobbying
55:46
state governments to say like get rid of
55:49
these rules and let us like deal with
55:51
this in a much more efficient way you’re
55:53
making you’re forcing us to uh to
55:58
transfer to now even more greenhouse
56:00
emissions to transport it to China for
56:03
them to burn it because now it’s out of
56:05
our hands and it’s not illegal anymore
56:07
it’s like it’s extraordinary renditions
56:08
for plastic and and they uh and and and
56:12
that state governments are like no
56:14
you’re just being you know a greedy
56:15
polluter or whatever and it’s like no
56:18
this is a terrible terrible idea now let
56:20
me ask you this because when I what got
56:23
me into the whole climate change thing
56:24
was I’m very interested in reading and
56:27
watching stuff about science and the
56:29
future and advancements in innovation
56:32
and the more I watched and read about
56:34
the data the more I was like yeah it’s
56:37
cool and fun to say it’s a Chinese hoax
56:39
but um the there are a lot of
56:42
uninterested parties who are like just
56:44
flat-out saying that this is happening
56:46
and they’re not the alarmist they’re not
56:48
saying we have 12 years and we’re all
56:50
gonna die they’re not saying that
56:51
they’re saying this is something that
56:52
needs to be addressed especially as
56:55
China and India become world economic
56:58
powers their their pollution is going to
57:02
continue to grow exponentially and it’s
57:04
gonna reach a point where now we’re
57:06
making drastic cuts let’s do it now
57:08
before it gets to that so but one of the
57:10
things that I kept going back to and I
57:12
don’t know what you think about this is
57:14
nuclear energy
57:17
I watched there’s a forget his name
57:19
right now but he’s one of the main
57:21
advocate former advocates for renewables
57:25
and things like that and he said any
57:28
person and you can correct me if you
57:31
think I’m wrong because that’s what we
57:32
do on the show but any person who is
57:35
talking to you about effective climate
57:38
change
57:39
change solutions that isn’t talking
57:41
about nuclear energy is not serious
57:44
about this it like they’re not taking it
57:46
seriously do you what are your thoughts
57:48
on that yeah I mean nuclear energy is
57:52
definitely the way to go I think that we
57:53
need a lot more research for sure
57:56
but we’re not gonna get the research
57:57
that we need unless we prioritize it and
58:01
I do I do think that way to prioritize
58:02
it it’s a lot more sustainable it’s a
58:05
lot more viable than wind energy and
58:07
solar energy although I do think that
58:09
wind and solar would be a lot more
58:11
viable if we didn’t you know subsidize
58:13
them and if we don’t have tariffs of
58:15
course yeah but what we’re regardless I
58:21
mean the fact of the matter is is that
58:23
nuclear energy is actually very safe
58:25
when you I mean now we have this this
58:27
Netflix show chair no chair no share
58:30
ennoble Chernobyl yeah um and I I
58:34
haven’t watched it I’m gonna lie to you
58:36
uh but I mean it’s just fear-mongering
58:40
really if you’re if you’re watching that
58:43
and your takeaway is like let’s not have
58:45
new kill energy I like I said I haven’t
58:47
watched it so I can’t really say too
58:48
much but like from what I’ve heard about
58:50
it your takeaway should probably be like
58:52
don’t trust government my takeaway from
58:57
the trailers is communism is bad and
59:00
that and we shouldn’t do that great job
59:03
guys I know that’s not what they were
59:04
trying to portray which is and also for
59:08
some reason Russian people have British
59:10
accents that was the other takeaway I
59:13
got from the trailer they took all the
59:14
games Game of Thrones was ending so they
59:17
took all the Brits from Game of Thrones
59:18
and said now you’re Russian communists
59:20
in the Ukraine I also heard that Russia
59:24
is coming out with their own version of
59:26
it to combat the lies so that’s just
59:30
very funny to me but that is plenty that
59:34
I will watch that every watch I will
59:38
watch that solely because I love
59:41
watching how Americans are portrayed in
59:43
foreign film we are not it is not we are
59:47
not portrayed glowingly put it that way
59:50
and I can’t especially in in Russia
59:52
imagine not definitely not so so just a
59:56
really quick aside okay so when I so
59:59
when I went to China my parents were
60:01
very very is scared to let me go to
60:03
China they really fought me on it um and
60:06
they’re perfect for like why I shouldn’t
60:09
go or whatever is because well charities
60:12
they’re gonna they’re gonna eat you
60:14
because you’re free and because you’re
60:15
an American and like I kind of like
60:18
believed that narrative like a little
60:20
bit cuz like I never been like that was
60:21
like my first time going out the country
60:22
and then I like we talked to people
60:24
about like Americans and like I like in
60:27
my head I was like had this like
60:28
inflated ego about like oh we’re so much
60:29
better than everybody else and like
60:31
everybody like hates us because we’re
60:32
free and then they’re like no you guys
60:34
are dumb and you don’t know anything
60:35
about foreign policy and I was like oh
60:39
your butt but you’re right cuz I don’t
60:41
know anything about foreign policy yeah
60:42
that’s yeah it’s it’s it’s it’s first of
60:48
all your poor parents you’re like I’m
60:50
going to China and then when I get back
60:53
I’m signing a lease in DC and that car’s
60:56
gone out of here and I’ll see you when I
60:58
see you so I and I mean while I was like
61:01
you as I know you’re not why you’re a
61:04
kid I’m old and you’re not but when I
61:07
was young I was very much and then I
61:10
also added and I’m gonna do a bunch of
61:11
drugs too
61:12
so it was like it was like I’m gonna do
61:14
all that stuff plus I’m like a druggie
61:16
so III empathize with both of our sets
61:20
of parents but especially wanted I want
61:22
to give a shout out to your your yours
61:24
and my long-suffering parents but yeah
61:27
so ya know it’s it’s very interesting
61:30
thing this whole we’re like yeah people
61:33
hate us cuz we’re number one and and
61:36
we’re and we’re so free and like we and
61:39
we believe this and we go other places
61:41
believing this yeah so like to be clear
61:45
China is a police state
61:49
like yeah you have far less social and
61:53
personal freedoms in China than you do
61:56
in most places in the US there are some
62:00
of the major metro areas that might give
62:02
it a run for its money on bad days but
62:03
but now some would argue that
62:06
they actually have more economic
62:07
freedoms if you’re an entrepreneur your
62:10
net freedom is less in China that it is
62:13
in the u.s. yes right the daylight
62:16
between those the gap between that
62:19
freedom it’s nowhere near what you think
62:21
it is mostly because the average
62:24
American doesn’t realize how not free
62:27
they are they are so conditioned that
62:31
regular everyday things are bad that
62:35
they’re like well I’m free well yeah but
62:36
you can’t do this well I’d never do that
62:38
that’s bad and it’s like hey it’s not
62:41
bad and B you can’t do it like you’re
62:44
not free you’re free to consume and obey
62:48
and do all the stuff they taught you in
62:51
school with the bells where you were
62:52
institutionalized but you’re not
62:54
actually free you’re you’re in a gilded
62:57
cage and and my eyes get wider as I do
62:59
this so I definitely definitely is a
63:01
good look when I do it but but yeah I
63:04
mean we go to these other countries and
63:05
and their their main from my experience
63:08
in Canada in the West Indies in other
63:10
countries their their main things with
63:13
us are twofold one we come in arrogant
63:15
as hell and act that way all the time
63:19
despite ourselves even if we’re not
63:21
trying to even the more woke amongst us
63:24
don’t even realise how arrogant we are
63:27
an arrogant combined with a lack of
63:30
self-awareness and knowledge about
63:32
things in general so we kind of come in
63:34
dumb and cocky generally speaking but
63:37
then the other thing is that our
63:39
government routinely terrorizes entire
63:43
sections of the planet making those
63:46
people their hate everyone else too so
63:50
they get blowback from the fact that you
63:55
know we’re not bombing them basically
63:57
it’s like well you’re an ally of the US
63:59
and now you’re our enemy too and we
64:01
create enemies that hate everyone now so
64:04
those are the two I mean do I leave
64:07
anything out those are seams that seem
64:08
to be the two main things that people
64:09
come to me and they’re like why do you
64:11
guys bomb everyone and why do you think
64:13
you’re like the best is that that’s sort
64:16
of what I get hit with a lot
64:18
yeah no that’s that’s real um I don’t I
64:23
just I don’t know I think it’s just a
64:24
weird cultural thing and I think it it
64:26
has a lot to do with this like weird
64:29
sense of like pride and patriotism
64:31
especially on the right that I like
64:32
still in you about like okay so so just
64:36
like even just a slight little change of
64:38
subject for a second um when my so
64:42
there’s a City Council or is this is
64:44
City Council Minnesota I just recently
64:45
made national news because Trump tweeted
64:47
about it this this City Council is based
64:50
basically like said that they want to
64:52
make it optional to say the Pledge of
64:56
Allegiance and literally people are
65:00
freaking out like for wreaking out and
65:03
it’s like okay guys do you do you know
65:06
like have you what was the last time
65:07
like what was last have you thought
65:09
about love words that you’re saying when
65:11
you say the Pledge of Allegiance right
65:12
because I’m sorry but like when you what
65:14
do you say I pledge allegiance to the
65:17
flag a flag right the flag and for which
65:21
it’s the the government for which it
65:23
stands right right look I just I don’t
65:27
see how you how people Republicans who
65:31
claim to be so like anti-big government
65:33
are so prone like probably Pledge of
65:38
Allegiance like I don’t get it like
65:39
you’re literally pledging allegiance to
65:41
government and an overwhelmingly
65:43
Christian and and standing up looking at
65:48
a flag putting your hand on your heart
65:52
and reciting this you know droll thing
65:55
that you probably don’t even know what
65:56
you’re saying what you’re saying is I
65:58
pledge allegiance to this cloth and the
66:01
government it stands for because I’m so
66:05
small government and I and open also I
66:09
we need the Second Amendment to rebel
66:12
against the government that I just that
66:14
I just pledge to but also the police are
66:18
never wrong like I mean it’s it’s
66:19
cognitive dissonance on top of
66:20
dissonance yeah I know it really is and
66:23
the the patriotism of the left the
66:25
jingle would I should call it the
66:26
jingoism because patriotism you know
66:28
mark I like Mark Twain’s definition of
66:29
patriotism I think it was Mark Twain
66:30
that patriotism is loving your
66:32
country and really distrusting your
66:34
government dad I’m good with that kind
66:37
of patriotism the G knowest patriotism
66:39
the the left has their very interesting
66:42
version so the right will say we are
66:45
fine with bombing every country on Earth
66:48
if they so much as cross us and the left
66:52
says we need more trans women of color
66:54
operating those bombs and it’s like as
66:58
long as you put enough faces that they
67:01
like if you put darker and more gay face
67:06
and I have nothing I mean no offense to
67:09
people of color LGBT this is an LGBT
67:12
friendly people of color friendly we’re
67:16
as close to intersectional as it gets
67:17
without actually being not white and and
67:21
but but if that’s all it takes for you
67:25
to be fine with endless bombing endless
67:27
drones endless destabilization of
67:30
government all of which happened under
67:31
the Obama administration then you’re
67:33
every bit as nationalistic and and and
67:37
jingoistic and and essentially violent
67:40
and ignorant as the right is except you
67:42
just not being you’re also a hypocrite
67:44
you’re also not being honest with
67:46
yourself about it well I mean give some
67:48
credit to Bush come on now I say it
67:51
wasn’t just oh oh oh no no no I wasn’t
67:53
no when it wasn’t just bush I mean it’s
67:55
been this has been going on my entire
67:57
life right so I mean this this began in
68:00
this newest round of perpetual war
68:02
started before I was born shortly before
68:05
I was born and has been going on for
68:07
it’s quite some time and I want it I
68:09
want it there recently was like there’s
68:11
only been like 13 years or 23 years and
68:17
hold on in in US history that the u.s.
68:21
hasn’t been yeah the US has been at war
68:24
222 out of 239 years that is an
68:30
impressive stat impressive is a word you
68:35
could use and yes it is a word like like
68:37
if you looked at a mass grave and what
68:39
that is impressive that’s like I mean it
68:41
it’s and we’re taught so anyway I I just
68:46
so in the left how much of that was
68:48
Democrats like the left is every bit as
68:50
complicit in this right well that’s
68:53
that’s kind of part of my like the so I
68:58
don’t I don’t want to say I’m having I’m
69:02
having I’m having what I’m calling like
69:05
my quarter life contemplation I don’t
69:07
want to come with crisis I’m having a
69:09
contemplation just about like party
69:12
politics and like what that all means
69:14
and things like that mean I’ve actually
69:16
been having this contemplation for for a
69:21
few years right right um and the fact of
69:23
the matter is is that as much as I want
69:25
to go oh yeah Democrats they’re the ones
69:27
that are that are ruining our world
69:29
they’re the ones that are earning well
69:30
right right
69:31
matters is that Republicans have been
69:34
just as complicit and our endless wars
69:38
they’ve been just as complicit in our
69:41
the war on poverty the drug war now we
69:45
have immigration which is just it’s
69:48
crazy to me that we are literally
69:50
locking children in cages and you say
69:52
that too we’re locking brown kids in
69:55
cages it’s true and you say that to a
69:58
Republican and they go oh well Obama did
70:00
it too yeah so it’s happening and it’s
70:06
wrong and it’s wrong and you know what I
70:08
think it’s wrong that that’s happening
70:10
with people that are in jail too and you
70:12
know how you stop it from from happening
70:13
and how you you solve this problem you
70:15
stop creating laws that are put that are
70:18
separating children from families that’s
70:21
how you solve it it’s not just let more
70:23
immigrants in that that’s not the
70:24
solution it’s stop laws in general that
70:28
are creating family separation and it’s
70:30
like the competitive justice down the
70:32
left and the right yeah exactly and it
70:36
they’re correct so the left and the
70:39
right are never more correct than they
70:41
are when they’re pointing out the
70:42
hypocrisy of the other side because
70:44
they’re absolutely correct they’re
70:45
absolutely correct I have two family
70:47
members that I love very deeply and they
70:49
both call me and complain about the
70:51
other about what how terrible they are
70:52
and they’re not terrible but they just
70:54
complain but the stuff they say about
70:55
the other one is absolutely true it’s
70:57
equally true about them and that’s what
70:59
I see when I see Republic
71:00
well yeah you know the left I didn’t
71:02
hear the left whining about this when
71:04
Obama was doing it that’s correct that
71:06
is correct but we’re also we’re against
71:08
Obama policies right like I mean we’re
71:09
we’re against those and/or the or
71:12
they’ll say you know the right the right
71:14
doesn’t have a problem with deficit
71:15
spending
71:15
we know Republicans in charge that’s
71:17
absolutely correct but uh it’s still
71:19
like let’s not do it though like that’s
71:22
not a reason to continue it that’s a
71:23
reason to stop it and and check our our
71:26
our hypocrisy on the subject but you
71:29
know the immigration issue is similar to
71:34
the drug issue and that the government
71:35
has created a problem they’ve set all
71:38
the parameters to create a problem they
71:40
have continued to make actions to
71:42
exacerbate it on all fronts and then
71:44
they use that as a reason for more power
71:47
so you have the US government that has
71:50
created for the first hundred years of
71:53
the US as existence it was open to
71:55
unlimited unregulated migration there
71:57
was no welfare state and the US
71:59
government was not going around
72:00
destabilizing other governments in other
72:02
countries and and killing people and
72:04
making where they live a hellhole a
72:06
place to stay for political reasons so
72:09
the people that came here and there were
72:11
a lot of them a lot of people came here
72:13
including most of our ancestors that
72:15
most Minnesotans are the descendants of
72:17
Scandinavians that came during like the
72:19
1800s right so probably including your
72:22
you’re actually Minneapolis but um so
72:26
fun fact I don’t know most people don’t
72:27
know this Minneapolis is actually the
72:29
most diverse city per capita okay oh
72:32
well yeah so you per capita in the US
72:33
and it’s because we take in the most
72:35
refugees out of all the other cities in
72:37
the in the US yes so there’s 120
72:41
languages that are spoken our school
72:43
system I’m in the Minneapolis school
72:45
district Wow
72:46
yeah it’s actually exactly I’m very
72:49
fascinated personally I love other
72:52
cultures I love learning about it about
72:54
other people and just where they come
72:56
from I really pride myself in like
72:57
knowing where other people like come
73:00
from in their mindsets and like things
73:01
like that’s why I’m very fascinated by
73:03
that yeah um but there are a lot of
73:05
people that are like very like put off
73:06
by it and they’re like oh my gosh
73:08
Muslims Muslims take over mostly okay
73:13
yeah
73:14
don’t like him yeah are they big or they
73:18
just try to live their lives peacefully
73:19
like you are I don’t know
73:21
every wave of migration when my family
73:24
came it was the Jews are coming with
73:27
their foreign religion and they don’t
73:29
speak it and this was true they had a
73:31
foreign religion they did not speak
73:32
English they had no money and what did
73:35
they do they came here and made
73:37
businesses and worked and did stuff and
73:40
built their way up the American Dream
73:42
yep
73:43
the main problems with immigration now
73:47
are that you have you’ve done you’ve
73:51
done many things here one not you but
73:53
the government has done many things here
73:54
one is they’ve destabilized countries so
73:57
now people are coming in desperation you
73:59
know like it’s not just they’re coming
74:01
for economic reasons they’re coming as
74:02
refugees they’re coming in horrific
74:04
conditions and they’re not terribly
74:06
happy with the US government to begin
74:07
with because they know the US government
74:09
helped had a part in it but it’s also
74:11
the only place they can get countries
74:15
are just stabilized in the first place
74:16
that’s what gets me that’s what makes me
74:18
so angry about the fact that we’re not
74:20
taking in refugees and that we’re
74:21
capping it so that if you’re if you’re
74:23
crossing from another country into
74:25
another country and there’s this new I
74:27
don’t know if you saw this then the new
74:29
refugee policy that’s being put in place
74:32
by the Trump administration so basically
74:33
if you come from Guatemala or if you
74:36
come from Venezuela and you cross into
74:38
Mexico
74:39
so now you’ve crossed into another
74:40
country before getting to the United
74:43
States you are no longer eligible for
74:45
refugee status right right that’s
74:47
appalling to me because a majority of
74:50
these people that are coming from these
74:51
countries are actually coming from
74:52
countries that are destabilized because
74:55
of the United States government like
74:59
what and then we create a welfare state
75:02
a fairly lavish welfare state which any
75:05
person here cuz I get it
75:08
you let everyone in and they get on
75:09
welfare it’s not sustained I get that if
75:13
you were in that situation if any of us
75:15
were in a situation where it was gross
75:17
starvation and we go somewhere where
75:20
it’s illegal for us to work and then we
75:23
find out that there are some cities that
75:25
go well yeah technically can’t work
75:28
uh but we’ll put you on programs where
75:31
you’ll live what to you is an incredibly
75:34
incredibly comfortable existence
75:36
you will want for nothing all of your
75:38
major needs will be met and even some of
75:40
your your more base wants will be met
75:42
you’ll live what we considered a lower
75:44
middle class life and what in your
75:46
country is a wealthy lavish lifestyle
75:49
that the vast majority of people will
75:51
never get of course they’re going to do
75:53
yeah if it’s available to them if
75:56
instead you said we’re not going to
75:58
destabilize your country we also don’t
76:00
have welfare not just for the several
76:02
hundred thousand uh uh migrants that
76:05
come here every year but for the four
76:06
million Americans that are born every
76:08
year we don’t have we don’t have welfare
76:11
we don’t have welfare we have charities
76:13
we have what we it was charity right
76:15
here we have I’m sure I’m the first
76:17
person to make that joke um to you but
76:21
you know we’ve got I haven’t ever role
76:23
I’m just gonna throw this out there okay
76:24
so I I do I do have I just have to lay
76:26
some ground rules now um so you can you
76:30
get one joke I’ll let you always make
76:31
another joke you get one joke okay after
76:33
that you have to venmo be five bucks
76:36
forever joke
76:37
I’m sorry thanks Pierre I just I just
76:39
don’t do this for free you know yeah no
76:41
no you can’t you can’t listen I mean
76:43
you’re with the Koch brothers you just
76:47
do stuff for free but no I know that was
76:53
the one joke but I I’ll even I’ll even
76:56
not do the second one even though I can
76:57
you can drop my venmo actually in the
76:59
comments I’ll get it for you later
77:01
so if anybody just really like jokes
77:05
then they can just videos if you’ve got
77:08
jokes here’s the joke fun yeah but so I
77:11
mean so you know the if you just let
77:15
them work and said there’s no welfare
77:17
but you can come and work here they’re
77:20
just gonna come here and work and a lot
77:22
and if you stop destabilizing their
77:23
countries most people even if they’re
77:25
told it’s way better somewhere else most
77:27
people if they have a comfortable what
77:30
they consider a comfortable lifestyle
77:31
they’re doing sustenance farming they’re
77:33
working in a factory whatever their kids
77:36
aren’t starving they aren’t at risk of
77:38
some kind of political upheaval or
77:40
uprising and they
77:42
can just live a comfortable like there
77:43
to go to stay there anyway 7 billion
77:45
people aren’t trying to come to the u.s.
77:47
people in certain countries that have
77:51
been destabilized who are able to walk
77:53
here within a few weeks what else is
77:55
left for them to do so the immigration
77:58
problem solves itself by just not
78:00
creating problems anymore the I did and
78:02
I’m with you on on different cultures
78:05
and religions and and and and and
78:08
languages and stuff people are under
78:11
this erroneous belief especially on the
78:13
right that having different cultures
78:15
creates conflict and that’s simply false
78:17
um that exactly false the countries with
78:21
the highest amount of conflict are
78:22
almost 100% a specific race or color or
78:26
culture on the end the countries with
78:30
the least amount now it’s also true that
78:32
there are countries like Japan that are
78:34
very homogeneous that have very you know
78:38
low levels of conflict and violence and
78:40
whatever but then there are also very
78:42
diverse countries in Europe and other
78:44
places that have little violence Canada
78:47
is an incredibly diverse country very
78:49
very little violence and so what it all
78:52
means is that that’s not the problem
78:54
there are many external problems outside
78:56
of culture that can create violence the
78:58
biggest one is and this is me being an
79:00
anarchist forced Association when you
79:02
force people into association with each
79:04
other
79:04
you force them to be subject to each
79:06
other’s votes and wills and whims
79:08
instead of letting them voluntarily
79:10
associate as they wish that’s what
79:12
creates conflict or do you disagree with
79:16
that no sorry actually the AC went out
79:20
my house all’s I needs a store to be
79:22
open so I hopefully no it’s all good
79:25
yeah but ya know I totally agree with
79:28
you and actually I think there’s another
79:29
element though to and that’s that’s some
79:31
value systems um I mean this goes with
79:35
with forced Association but I really do
79:39
think that if you if you have a society
79:42
that has differing value systems along
79:47
with the the differing cultures and
79:49
backgrounds and whatever then you’re
79:50
also going to have you’re gonna have
79:52
issues oh and and that’s that’s
79:55
thing that that I think a lot of people
79:56
on the right really resonate with is
79:58
that different value system but I think
80:00
that they they know that and I I do
80:02
believe that’s true but I think that
80:04
they take that to the next level and
80:06
they say every person that is different
80:09
than me looks different than these makes
80:11
a different language than me
80:13
has a different background than me has a
80:15
different value system therefore were
80:16
incompatible and we can’t coexist yeah
80:19
yeah I will have people who swear up and
80:21
down that they’re not racist and they’ll
80:23
say stuff like well white people just
80:25
have different values or different cult
80:27
and I’m like that’s not that is not in
80:29
any way how it works or they’ll say like
80:31
only Christians or only I’m sure Muslims
80:35
say this in their countries too but
80:36
they’ll say you know only Christians can
80:37
truly value life and property and things
80:40
like that and I’m like that’s factually
80:42
inaccurate like that’s it
80:43
that is that is simply not true like the
80:45
some of the some of the original what
80:49
you could call today libertarian and
80:51
proper Terry and Philosopher’s existed
80:54
centuries before a Christianity or
80:59
Christ even and and and some you know in
81:03
Babylonian times and things like that it
81:05
even came before Judaism so I mean this
81:07
is not that’s simply not that’s actually
81:09
not correct and that’s yeah nothing be
81:13
too controversial here but I’m gonna I’m
81:15
gonna talk about awesome Peterson for a
81:17
second okay so awesome Peterson is is
81:21
pro-life but he’s also an atheist right
81:25
yeah and for a lot of people that’s like
81:28
wait where’s your value system like how
81:33
do you how do you really value life if
81:35
you can’t you know whatever and it’s
81:36
like okay dude like value comes and
81:39
different comes from different places
81:41
and for me personally I am religious
81:44
right so for me I actually take a lot of
81:46
my my value system from my religious
81:49
beliefs and I really do value those
81:52
things but at this at the end of the day
81:54
you can you can be pro-life and you can
81:57
be an atheist and I don’t think that
81:58
those are mutually exclusive or or you
82:02
know I don’t think that those are things
82:03
that can’t coexist
82:04
ya know exactly and that’s and that’s
82:07
that is a perfect example I mean you you
82:09
can believe in what sorry my roommate
82:14
just commented on this pose about how
82:16
awesome Peter’s in the douche I’ve heard
82:20
I’ve been told that as well I’ve been
82:23
told I’ve been told that as well I uh
82:25
I’ve never actually met him or really
82:27
spent much time with him I know he made
82:30
some kind of statement about pyramids
82:31
and that’s that’s that’s stuck with him
82:34
yeah anyway but yeah no I mean you can
82:40
believe in the personhood of someone you
82:42
can believe that someone’s personhood
82:44
happens before birth without believing
82:46
that God created the earth in seven days
82:49
and that you know that the it’s the the
82:53
God of Abraham Isaac and Jacob is is the
82:56
creator of the universe and then all I’m
82:58
nipa and I’m not knocking people that
82:59
believe that I’m saying that you don’t
83:02
have to believe that in order to believe
83:05
that personhood happens at some point
83:09
before the moment of birth and and and
83:12
you know now that faith comes with it I
83:16
I believe that inherent belief where it
83:18
talks about how you know it was Nitin
83:21
you know you knit me in my mother’s womb
83:23
and I was you know fearfully made and
83:24
made in your image and all that stuff so
83:26
I get why someone who is you know
83:28
religiously Christian or religiously
83:30
Jewish or Muslim would have that kind of
83:32
a belief but you don’t have to have that
83:35
belief to have it and and there’s
83:37
there’s many examples of this but I
83:38
wanted to get on to talk to you about
83:42
some of your thoughts on you you wrote
83:45
an op-ed about the opioid crisis and I
83:48
was gonna try to cliff note it and then
83:50
get your thoughts but honestly I think
83:52
that what you had to say I think it’s
83:55
better to just like let you let you go
83:57
unleash you and say you know what are
83:59
your thoughts about the opioid crisis
84:02
and some of the some of the problems
84:04
that have caused it and some of the
84:05
solutions that are that are helping with
84:07
it oh man this is a this is a segue I’m
84:12
actually curious to hear your or your
84:14
summary that’ll be good entertain me
84:17
but what remind me what I would I uh
84:20
what you wearing
84:22
I can go into so many different
84:24
directions I don’t know necessarily
84:25
where to so the two things the thing the
84:28
main thing you were talking about and I
84:29
didn’t do the notes so I don’t have a
84:31
photographic memory but basically you
84:32
were contrasting the you know law and
84:36
order approach you know zero-tolerance
84:38
approach to dealing with the opioid
84:40
crisis and why that has miserably failed
84:43
and contrasting that with places that
84:46
have adapted more education and
84:49
healthcare based solutions to actually
84:53
treating not just treating the person as
84:55
a as a patient instead of a criminal but
84:58
also treating them as like acknowledging
85:01
that there are usually mental health
85:02
issues involved and things like that but
85:05
and allowing for things like safe
85:07
injection sites allowing there was one
85:10
that where if you are and what was it if
85:15
you’re involved in maybe this will help
85:16
jumpstart but it was it was a law that
85:18
used to be basically that if you were
85:20
part if you were you know hi and
85:24
reported something or you know were hi
85:27
and ended up in the hospital in law’s
85:30
yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah oh man I am a
85:35
huge advocate for Good Samaritan laws um
85:37
actually yeah police’s that don’t have
85:41
Good Samaritan laws it’s that’s just
85:43
disturbing to me it’s disturbing to me
85:46
that you would have somebody like let’s
85:48
say that your friend it comes to your
85:49
house they’re they’re really just really
85:52
really messed up on drugs right they
85:55
come to your house to your safe place
85:56
and then they and then they close their
85:58
eyes and you’re like oh Shh you know
86:00
they’re they’re od’d um I’m gonna call
86:03
the police
86:04
well now you’re gonna get charged with a
86:06
crime for for being at for being an
86:10
advocate for potentially giving them the
86:11
drugs like whatever whatever the police
86:12
won’t say right um and and that’s just
86:15
that’s wrong to me cuz that that it goes
86:17
against anything that I believe in as
86:19
far as harm reduction um and so it’s
86:22
that’s yeah I I think that every every
86:24
state should implement good to mention
86:27
laws actually that’s one of the things
86:28
AFP advocates for is Good Samaritan laws
86:30
Wisconsin last legislative session
86:34
expanded their there
86:36
and it’s it’s amazing I think I think
86:39
every state should should implement them
86:41
yeah I you know I’m not a fan obviously
86:44
of you know state health care services
86:47
and things like things like that I think
86:49
they’re poorly managed I think they’re
86:50
inefficient I think they create barriers
86:52
to entry for entrepreneurs and all the
86:53
various reasons that you and I could
86:55
agree all day long as to why you should
86:57
not you know get involved in state
87:00
health care if the guy the state has
87:02
decided that they want to spend money to
87:05
deal with opioid addicts and overdose
87:08
cases it costs less money to treat him
87:14
medically than it does to cage them
87:19
investigate prosecute and engage them
87:23
for the sometimes often the rest of
87:25
their lives if they have multiple
87:26
strikes against them and and then and
87:29
then all the times you have to do it
87:30
again when they get back out if instead
87:32
you treat it it might cost a little bit
87:34
more initially or in many cases you
87:37
could just make it legal to help them
87:39
stop criminal like you were saying you
87:41
can if you if I set up a place that’s a
87:44
safe injection center and a safe space
87:46
for overdoses where I voluntarily with
87:49
my money and money I’ve raised help
87:50
people without calling the police and
87:52
you know having them arrested and just
87:54
opening an investigation I’m a criminal
87:56
in many states South Carolina is one of
87:58
those states I can’t do it you’re not
88:00
letting me let me say without government
88:02
who would help people without government
88:04
who would criminalize helping people and
88:06
and and that’s a perfect example of that
88:07
um a certificate of need laws we have
88:11
certificate of need laws for addiction
88:14
centers like are you serious
88:17
you’re the oh boy oh how the government
88:19
how many beds I need I need to make my
88:22
case I need to advocate why I think that
88:24
we need to open an addiction clinic when
88:29
if we could just open these addiction
88:31
clinics out of the goodness of our
88:32
hearts anywhere we want in my own
88:34
basement if I ever were homeless people
88:38
and I was like hey you know what dude I
88:39
I’m gonna I’m gonna go get some some
88:41
narcan I’m gonna I’m gonna take you in
88:44
I’m gonna give you a good place to sleep
88:46
and while you’re sleeping my basement
88:47
oh the good
88:48
my heart I should be able to let you do
88:50
that but unfortunately but a lot of
88:52
state governments actually won’t let you
88:55
do that because it’s a it’s considered
88:57
an addiction clinic and you have to go
88:58
through the certificate of need process
89:00
and they only allow so many beds per
89:02
county or per city or however however
89:05
that state does it and it’s it’s wrong
89:07
to me because robot because god forbid
89:10
there be more beds than are needed like
89:13
well I mean III especially where it’s a
89:16
voluntary it’s not like I’m asking for
89:18
state money or whatever I’m just saying
89:19
like you know III full disclosure I was
89:22
a drug addict for the better part of
89:24
just over a decade I’ve been clean for
89:26
thirteen years now I thankfully I only
89:29
dabbled in the harder stuff I was mostly
89:31
whedon pills and stuff like that and so
89:33
but I’ve been clean for a very long time
89:35
I I have seen I never got that bad but
89:39
I’ve been adjacent to people that got
89:41
that bad and if I were a
89:43
multi-millionaire I said you know what I
89:45
want to give back I see these people on
89:46
the streets and I know that I was just
89:48
maybe a few times of smoking crack or
89:50
doing you know putting heroin in my
89:53
blunt or whatever away from ending up
89:55
just like that person you know
89:57
thankfully I didn’t do those things and
89:58
I had a very supportive home and patient
90:01
home network that you know loved me and
90:04
supported me through these things I
90:05
could be very well where that person is
90:06
and so I’m gonna help that person
90:08
what the hell’s business of anyone
90:10
else’s is that other than anyone who
90:11
wants to voluntarily help me well yeah
90:15
okay so I have to a little confession
90:17
time okay okay so I used to listen to
90:20
Ben Shapiro daily okay I was a big fan
90:24
I’m 2015 to probably 20 the end of 2017
90:28
I own this and debentures here every
90:30
single day um and recently I actually I
90:34
took up listening to his podcast again
90:36
cuz I was like you know I’m curious like
90:37
what what it’s what it’s like again and
90:40
I was just disgusted I’ve grown so much
90:42
since oh yes but there were I listened
90:48
to I listened to Ben Shapiro talk about
90:51
Seattle and I listened to him talk about
90:54
how people are literally pooping in the
90:57
streets and and doing drugs and there’s
91:00
needles all over Los
91:01
as long as different stuff that’s going
91:03
on right and solution to the problem
91:06
okay his solution to the problem was to
91:10
call the cops on people that’ll fix it
91:15
for doing drugs
91:16
no one’s yeah no one thought of that so
91:19
that that so that the police could could
91:21
round these people up and put them into
91:25
rehab centers and he even said on his
91:28
podcast you know that if if need be if
91:30
need be he would advocate for um you
91:34
know spending money he goes hey look I’m
91:37
I’m a libertarian I I don’t you don’t
91:39
want to spend more money but but
91:42
honestly like I’d be willing to spend
91:44
more money government wise for for rehab
91:47
centers and it’s like okay private
91:50
charities if you let them will take
91:52
better care of people and you know what
91:54
will not help escalating police
91:57
brutality yes because ultimately
91:59
ultimately police are the monopoly on
92:01
force right and if you allow police to
92:04
go into areas and say and like so like
92:06
let’s say that you have out you have a
92:08
homeless person who is passed out they
92:10
did a lot on your own and they’ve od’d
92:12
they’re they’re passing on the on the
92:14
sidewalk it’s a hazard people have to
92:17
walk over at people ya know it’s a
92:19
public safety hazard yeah yeah and and
92:22
the police come and they say hey you
92:24
know we want you to with us and they say
92:25
no and the police say well no no you you
92:28
got it you gotta come with us like we’re
92:30
taking you and and the guy says no
92:33
you’re not what’s gonna happen it’s
92:36
going to escalate they’re going to use
92:38
force and violence against this person
92:41
to take them to take them where she way
92:43
to a government sanctioned place where
92:46
they will go and look at their meals
92:47
whatever fine but it doesn’t actually
92:50
help them better their lives what would
92:52
actually help them but earlier lives is
92:53
if we had injection sites um that were
92:58
funded by private charities where people
93:00
could go there they you know hey look I
93:03
have a problem I’m addicted sweet we’re
93:06
gonna help you wean off of this we’re
93:08
gonna we’re gonna help you get through
93:09
this and in and you know what on top of
93:12
that we’re gonna give you we’re gonna
93:12
provide you resources we’re going to
93:14
we’re gonna we’re gonna tell you you
93:16
educational classes if we need to maybe
93:18
they’ll provide jobs support they’ll
93:21
provide you know whatever whatever it is
93:23
because it’s a private charity and they
93:24
can do what they want and they know best
93:26
how to how to deal with with these
93:28
problems because through trial and error
93:31
they can you know best assess the market
93:34
needs and that’s that’s the solution not
93:37
more police presence if police presence
93:43
was the solution it would have gotten
93:45
better not right Matthew Walden said
93:50
charity your voice was too low to do
93:52
that Ben chaperone or Shapiro impression
93:55
yet you need to plug your nose and use
93:57
your upper register so anyways I’m a
94:00
libertarian but uh so he’s still calling
94:05
himself a libertarian yeah yeah is sort
94:09
of frightening to me because fat people
94:11
believe that people leave that he’s
94:14
actually I have I’ve had conversations
94:16
with people like oh well I mean I listen
94:18
to ben shapiro so I’m basically a
94:19
libertarian no that’s that’s always
94:23
works like that’s not how any of this
94:24
works that is a scary version of
94:28
libertarian so I actually my last guess
94:30
Yaakov Markel he actually was a couple
94:33
grades above ben shapiro in in school
94:36
and he said he said you know you don’t
94:39
get it
94:40
ben shapiro coming out of that society
94:43
that that structure of you know the new
94:50
york orthodox jewish community he is
94:53
about as libertarian as it gets
94:56
without basically being shunned by your
94:58
family it’s a very like it’s their
95:01
neo-cons they are they are they are
95:03
neo-cons and it’s not just a religious
95:05
thing there’s many layers on it
95:07
but he’s actually it’s not it is it’s
95:10
surprising to me that he still has the
95:12
hot spot to say he’s a libertarian but
95:14
at the same time in his mind with what
95:18
he’s come from yeah yeah he would
95:22
probably be pretty close to a
95:23
libertarian in them in those circles if
95:25
that just give you idea how scary that
95:27
circle is
95:28
well so I’m curious to hear your
95:30
perspective on this because you you are
95:32
Jewish so like I mean it is that is that
95:35
pretty typical I mean is that it so like
95:38
is that right so here is the we actually
95:41
so the last episode I had wood with
95:44
Jakob Marco we talked about this
95:48
extensively because we’re both
95:49
anarchists Jews and it’s like why are
95:52
Jews Jews Jews are are unique in that
95:59
our entire history is that of why
96:04
government is bad the Old Testament the
96:08
Torah that the that’s a knock what would
96:12
what Jews call the Bible which is the
96:14
Tanakh the Torah and then the additional
96:15
basically the Old Testament is basically
96:19
a series of stories about government
96:23
being bad the biggest one being and this
96:26
is in the Christian Bible as well
96:27
obviously all the Tanakh sin the
96:29
Christian Bible or most of the talks in
96:31
the Christian revival and it’s you know
96:33
the Jews had what could buy many be
96:36
called an anarchist society they had
96:37
we’re a by who told them what God’s laws
96:42
were and and you basically you could
96:45
follow them or you could suffer the
96:47
consequences both in in in in your daily
96:51
life and in the afterlife of not
96:53
following those rules but you could
96:56
follow or not follow them they were also
96:58
incredibly welcoming to foreigners and
96:59
they were not gonna call him an
97:02
anarchist Society because there was a
97:04
structure but they were not a kingdom
97:07
and then one day they said no we want a
97:09
kingdom and the rabbi said no no that’s
97:12
not what God wants for you God wants
97:13
this thing go no no we want a king and
97:15
they cried out for a king and they got a
97:16
king and they got a little even mini
97:18
Empire and then they got the last
97:21
several thousand years of Jewish history
97:23
which is of one government after the
97:26
next bashing the crap out of them doing
97:30
unimaginable things to them and by their
97:33
own and so the way that they’ve survived
97:37
in places like medieval Europe and and
97:40
in far-flung place
97:42
in Asia and in Russia is by creating
97:45
their own extra governmental societies
97:49
that are outside of government pretty
97:51
close to anarchist societies with their
97:53
own laws doing the best they can to just
97:55
coexist with the people outside of it
97:57
but recognizing this is not for us these
97:59
rules are to hurt us and we’re gonna do
98:01
the best that we can to avoid it as much
98:03
as possible and yet now people in
98:08
general the majority of any demographic
98:09
group votes for statism like it is what
98:12
it is white people black people Hispanic
98:14
people the vet there isn’t like a group
98:15
or the majority of them vote for you
98:17
know libertarian ideals
98:18
that’s about Somalia oh yeah that’s see
98:23
boy it’s wide Somalia well you know real
98:27
Somalia has never been try but that’s
98:32
what I tell people it’s never that’s not
98:34
real Somalia anyway so you’ve got these
98:37
people that now are some of the bigot
98:41
Bernie Sanders like some of the biggest
98:43
advocates for big government Karl Marx
98:46
like now on the other side you’ve got
98:48
Murray Rothbard and Milton Friedman like
98:50
I mean Jews just in general tend to
98:52
become thought leaders for whatever
98:54
reason you want to give but in general
98:56
they are disproportionately status
99:00
despite the fact that our shared
99:02
experience is one of governments beating
99:05
the crap out of us and killing most of
99:07
us in some cases and we stand and and us
99:10
resisting that and and beating it by
99:13
being as far outside of that system as
99:16
we possibly could be so I the short
99:19
answer is I don’t know why I don’t know
99:22
why I maybe hurt people hurt people I I
99:25
don’t know there’s one theory that
99:27
there’s one theory that communism and
99:30
socialism come out of the kibbutz is the
99:33
religious kibbutz –is in in in ancient
99:36
Israel and now in in in in in modern
99:38
Israel the difference is that a kibbutz
99:40
which is a voluntary commune yes when
99:44
you enter the kibbutz well there’s
99:46
different degrees I mean some if they go
99:47
so far that they actually take your
99:49
children from you and say they’re not
99:50
your children anymore they belong to the
99:51
kibbutz some have some level of private
99:54
ownership but it all
99:56
operates on the assumption that you’re
99:57
choosing to voluntarily be a part of
99:59
that and can leave whenever you want and
100:01
and and that they will respect the
100:04
property rights of people outside of
100:06
their kibbutz that doesn’t want to be a
100:07
part of it
100:08
communism says no the whole world has to
100:09
be a kibbutz oh and also we don’t
100:11
believe in God so it takes the only two
100:13
redeemable parts of kibbutz ISM which is
100:15
the voluntary nature of it and the fact
100:17
that it’s based on a faith-based belief
100:20
that you know we should be sharing as
100:22
one and coming together as one
100:23
tight-knit group which comes from a
100:26
faith-based thing they take the only two
100:28
redeemable parts out of it and there’s
100:30
your communism that’s the answer to that
100:35
so it’s interesting so when I when I
100:38
went to a little bit of a jump in
100:41
conversation but speaking of communism
100:42
so when I spend some time in China I
100:45
came across I’m just like a little
100:47
knick-knack shop and I and I bought the
100:52
little red book oh yeah
100:56
cuz I was like very curious and and it
100:59
was very interesting because people
101:00
would like quote that and they’d be like
101:02
and I’d be like I kind of like look at
101:04
them like oh that’s a cool like comment
101:07
like whatever I go it’s from its from
101:09
the little red book and I was like what
101:11
and like look literally like everybody
101:13
they just like memorize it right like
101:14
it’s pre pretty common um no I’m saying
101:21
it’s like their Bible oh yeah yeah yeah
101:25
no okay so um I actually I thought it
101:27
was it was very fascinating me
101:29
I decided on several occasions like
101:32
three or four eight times I ran into
101:35
different people at bars or on the
101:38
streets or whatever and I I was just
101:39
curious and I asked them like hey like
101:41
you know are are you religious
101:43
just just straight-up like ask people
101:46
that and every single time you know when
101:51
I would when I would kind of push it and
101:52
say like you know are you religious what
101:55
is your religion they would tell me
101:57
communism communism is their religion
102:02
yeah and I was like government like okay
102:07
all right we know ever but but
102:10
I read the I read the little red book
102:11
right um and it’s a buncha it’s a bunch
102:13
of like really cute like quotes about
102:16
you know family and making sure that
102:19
your family you know
102:20
Baba’s is taken care of and and you know
102:23
don’t you know don’t upset your mother
102:26
and always make sure you say face all
102:28
these different things but you actually
102:29
look at what it’s saying it’s it’s very
102:31
collectivist yeah it’s very like do
102:35
these things so that the broader a
102:38
greater community you know can benefit
102:41
and there’s there’s no element of
102:44
individualism and and that really struck
102:48
me when I when I read that I should have
102:50
known that right boy for some reason I I
102:53
read that that book and I and I was very
102:56
like taking it back by like how strong
102:58
the the collectivism element of of their
103:02
culture really was down to the down to
103:03
the book that they all memorize yeah
103:05
yeah they don’t actually so in the u.s.
103:08
we have an interesting thing where we
103:10
talk about how free we are we talk about
103:11
liberty and independence and
103:13
individualism individual grit American
103:15
grit value we you know discovered this
103:18
you know we you know did all the stuff
103:20
that we’ve done because of freedom and
103:22
and and private enterprise about but yet
103:25
we’re total hypocrites about it because
103:27
the reality is we live in an incredibly
103:29
now at least incredibly statist
103:31
centrally planned society and we just
103:33
essentially pretend that we don’t like
103:36
just to like it’s like pure cognitive
103:38
dissonance we just pretend that we do
103:40
not a communist as a Chinese communist
103:44
and North Korean communists they’re
103:46
never even exposed to the idea of
103:50
individualism except this sort of this
103:53
have evil abstract thing that they are
103:55
only in it for themselves or whatever so
103:57
the first time they even hear it they
103:59
immediately like it’s almost like you’re
104:02
saying it in a foreign language that
104:04
they can’t translate because it’s such a
104:07
foreign concept they’re not individual
104:10
people they’re the Chinese so when
104:13
you’re talking to one of them you are
104:15
often talking to all of them because
104:19
they’ve all been told the exact same
104:21
thing which is that world and
104:23
my understanding that I’ve not read the
104:25
little red book but my understanding is
104:26
it’s basically some almost like Chicken
104:29
Soup for the Soul combined with some
104:32
Confucianism with heavy heavy everything
104:36
comes to a Marxist conclusion so it’s
104:38
not it doesn’t even really try to impose
104:40
itself heavily to talk about the
104:42
proletariat and the petty bourgeoisie
104:44
and the the dictatorship of the working
104:47
people in any of that it’s just it’s
104:48
almost like sort of like a like like a
104:50
quota day calendar that’s so heavily
104:53
infused with communism that you don’t
104:54
even realize what you’re getting until
104:56
you’re out there killing your neighbor
104:58
because they didn’t like collectivise
104:59
their farm or whatever like you’re so
105:01
far into it that by the time you’re
105:03
actually like committing these
105:04
atrocities it’s just like you know we
105:06
gotta honor your mother like I mean it’s
105:08
it’s it’s it’s a very interesting thing
105:10
but I know go ahead something that I
105:15
find really just fascinating so when I
105:20
said when I was in China I just and so
105:24
before that I didn’t I didn’t realize
105:25
that I could girls banned in China I
105:27
don’t know if you knew that Google you
105:28
can’t you can’t get access Google you
105:30
can’t access like Chrome you can access
105:33
your Gmail you can’t access like the
105:34
Google Play Store if you have an Android
105:36
like I do cuz you know androids are
105:39
better or whatever no I have a say I
105:41
have a galaxy no I’m Way too sweet okay
105:44
watch I just recently converted to the
105:46
Google pixel 3 it definitely like took a
105:49
lot out of me I was very like is this is
105:52
this real like I do I do and I really
105:54
like writing but like it’s a good phone
105:57
I like it it was that the sense of point
105:59
that I’m making um so so uh so Google
106:01
Google’s band out there however their
106:04
headquarters are in Beijing they’re
106:08
Asian headquarters are in Beijing so
106:10
they’re still there yeah um and so when
106:13
when I started kind of asking questions
106:14
about like why why is Google banned like
106:16
that’s kind of a random weird thing
106:18
right
106:19
the reason Google is banned in China is
106:22
because people were beginning to Google
106:25
Tiananmen Square and they were googling
106:28
Tiananmen Square and they were finding
106:30
things that the Chinese government
106:32
didn’t want them to find and the Chinese
106:34
government basically said hey Google we
106:36
need you to
106:37
adjust your search results for our
106:40
country so that only these things pop up
106:44
and Google basically said no we believe
106:49
in the the free its dissemination of
106:53
information and we actually we really we
106:56
don’t want to do that engine and it’s
106:59
functionally impossible to do that on
107:01
that massive of a scale but they also
107:03
don’t want to do it to begin with
107:05
so but that was 15 years ago right and
107:09
and now and now here we are right where
107:13
Google is literally filtering the search
107:16
results for epstein to basically to not
107:21
show case photos of Bill Clinton and him
107:25
together like they’ve literally changed
107:28
the algorithm so that you can’t see that
107:30
yeah I’m that’s that’s not that’s crazy
107:34
because 15 years ago they they were
107:36
willing to make that sacrifice and got
107:37
banned from from China and now it’s
107:39
crazy because Google is still banned in
107:42
China however they are actually using
107:45
the their satellites to contribute to
107:51
the social monitoring program that saw
107:54
that China the Chinese government has
107:56
they’re the ones they’re the ones
107:58
providing that that satellite and I
108:00
don’t I don’t know what happened I don’t
108:03
know what happened to bring them to this
108:05
point but something shifted and they
108:07
used they used to really care about
108:09
individual rights and freedoms and and
108:11
privacy and something happened and
108:13
that’s I don’t know they became the they
108:16
became the dominant player of the game
108:18
the the thing that you do and this is
108:20
why I respect the cokes because they’re
108:21
so about competition and innovation and
108:25
and and creative destruction when you
108:28
get to a certain point as a monopoly or
108:30
as a dominant company there’s only so
108:33
much energy you can put into further
108:34
innovation it starts to have I don’t
108:37
it’s an economic term called diminishing
108:39
returns you start to have diminishing
108:40
returns so then you put more and more
108:43
and more into innovating this to
108:45
maintain your balance your to maintain
108:47
your share and you get less and less and
108:49
less out of it at this point you’re just
108:51
treading
108:51
water your your your doing all this
108:53
stuff just to maintain treading water
108:55
well that’s not good for your stock so
108:57
now what you got to do is you got a rent
108:59
seat you got to go to government and say
109:02
well you know for the good of mankind
109:05
well you know we need to do this in this
109:07
and this and this than that and really
109:08
what they’re doing is pushing for more
109:10
regulations that make it more expensive
109:12
to do what they do so even though it
109:14
makes their costs go up it also makes
109:16
the cost of smaller upstart competitors
109:19
go up and and prices them out of barrier
109:21
to entry which is part of what creates
109:23
income inequality you keep removing
109:25
rungs to the bottom rungs of the ladder
109:27
and then you’re shocked that the people
109:29
at the bottom can’t work their way up
109:30
the ladder well they can’t that’s
109:31
exactly why I’m against net neutrality
109:33
yes exactly exactly when it when you
109:37
have companies saying yes please control
109:40
us censor us and regulate us there’s a
109:43
reason for that they know that only they
109:46
can can withstand that only they have
109:48
the the chops and the and the resources
109:51
in place to withstand that you have
109:52
Walmart and Amazon two of the biggest
109:56
low-wage employers out there pushing for
110:00
a $15 minimum wage it isn’t because of
110:03
altruism it’s because they know it will
110:06
kill their competitors they’re fine not
110:08
competing with each other because
110:09
they’re already both majorly established
110:11
and they’ll fight against each other all
110:13
day long but they know that they’re too
110:14
big to crush the other one so they
110:17
they’ve you know they’ve made sort of an
110:19
uneasy pact where it’s like all right
110:20
we’ll just crush all these people cuz
110:22
even some of like I don’t know what
110:23
Publix could afford $15 an hour I don’t
110:26
know if Kroger could afford $15 an hour
110:28
like even some of the larger chains
110:29
forget the bodegas and the you know the
110:32
really small you know mom-and-pop shops
110:35
and they definitely can’t afford that
110:36
but yet they’re pushing it and they’re
110:38
using virtue signaling which is what I
110:40
hate with the left if you say to the
110:42
left how would you like I’d like to talk
110:44
about a policy that disproportionately
110:47
helps the poor at the expense of the
110:49
very rich and gives the poor an
110:51
opportunity to rise up and to and to you
110:56
know to be able to to build their self
110:57
and it’s fully intersectional it
110:59
completely is is is a irrespective of
111:03
race religion faith whatever
111:05
they go yeah that sounds great and I go
111:06
it’s called deregulation and they hang
111:08
up on me and then block me on Facebook
111:09
um because that’s what it deregulation
111:12
yeah why don’t we start with why don’t
111:14
we start with eliminating occupational
111:15
licensing like really if in equality
111:19
lucious stop stop backing up stop look
111:21
stop looking at my notes so you whoa ah
111:25
you’ve written some stuff hey by the way
111:28
speaking of whatever it was you were
111:29
talking about you’ve written some stuff
111:31
about occupational licensing do you have
111:34
some yeah yeah what are your thoughts on
111:36
occupational licensing um well okay so
111:39
first of all I’m actually I’m actually a
111:41
licensed cosmetologist okay I got a lot
111:44
of flack from some of my my libertarian
111:46
friends who say well why are you why
111:49
since like what are you doing justjust
111:51
don’t have a license but like oh I’d
111:53
like to you you know I’m a law-abiding
111:56
citizen you know I you know don’t want
112:01
to don’t want to you know get arrested
112:04
that’s the thing they’ll take everything
112:06
from you if you don’t I would of course
112:07
you get license you don’t want to lose
112:09
everything
112:09
some people train so so innocent so I’m
112:13
gonna talk a lil man I want up I love I
112:15
love talking about occupational
112:16
licensing I’m really kind about it how
112:18
about it um I honestly if we want to
112:21
talk about free market solutions to
112:23
income inequality the first step the
112:26
first step is to eliminate occupational
112:30
licensing like seriously like
112:32
eliminating like it’s ridiculous so so
112:35
in Minnesota if you want to be a if you
112:37
want to be a licensed cosmetologist so
112:38
so first of all um the people that are
112:41
that are harmed by occupational
112:43
licensing tend to be people that are
112:46
lower income oh yeah yeah yeah because
112:48
because the jobs that they’re requiring
112:50
occupational licensing for are typically
112:53
you’re a lower middle class like maybe
112:55
your maybe middle class yeah yeah I’m
112:57
jobs
112:58
yeah um they’re not they’re not jobs
113:00
that are there are six figures you know
113:01
no no yeah so okay so in Minnesota in
113:08
order to be a licensed cosmetologist
113:09
it’s one thousand five hundred and fifty
113:13
hours a PT school so they also have a
113:18
rule and
113:19
you can only go to beauty school for 40
113:20
hours a week and you’re required to have
113:23
an hour lunch break each and every day
113:24
you can only go for five days a week
113:26
there’s all these there’s always extra
113:27
like regulations right right I’d love to
113:30
spend years doing this in addition to
113:33
that so okay okay so so 1550 hours um a
113:37
kiss that’s just a weird number and you
113:39
don’t like really like put that in a
113:40
place of like oh it’s 40 hours a week
113:42
what what is that really equate to so if
113:44
you’re going full-time which most people
113:46
that that are that are going to beauty
113:48
school are not they’re not going
113:50
full-time because they don’t have the
113:52
means to go full-time it’s very it’s
113:54
time-consuming and it’s literally a
113:58
full-time job so most people don’t go
114:01
full-time but if you do go full-time
114:02
it’s nine and a half months a beautiful
114:05
most people go part-time and it’s to two
114:09
to three years in school and it ain’t
114:11
cheap easy no no it’s not um I so I I
114:16
was very lucky I did this program called
114:19
PSEO post-secondary education basically
114:23
the my high school helps subsidize me to
114:28
go to beauty school so I actually went
114:30
to beauty school in my junior and senior
114:31
year of high school
114:32
Oh as an elective yeah so it was really
114:35
cool and then I and then I graduated
114:36
went straight into beauty school and
114:38
then graduated within six months and
114:42
worked full-time and I so I did
114:44
full-time beauty school and I and and
114:45
and I worked about 20 hours a week at
114:48
like a fast-food restaurant so I’m a
114:50
little different than most people I I do
114:53
you know I’m ambitious and I kind of go
114:55
for things when it when I want them but
114:58
that that’s aside from the point that
115:00
that most people don’t have those the
115:04
resources that I had most people don’t
115:05
have the ability to say you know I did
115:07
two years of school when it was
115:08
invisible yeah and when I went to beauty
115:12
school I actually took out a bunch of
115:14
under grants to get there but at the end
115:18
of the day after all of it was said and
115:20
done if I if I didn’t if I didn’t take
115:21
out grants if I would have just gotten
115:22
the full the full course the full
115:25
nine-month course yeah it would have
115:27
cost me $23,000
115:32
yep you make $15 an hour as a
115:35
hairdresser yep
115:37
yeah no I love I love being a
115:40
hairdresser I love it I love I love
115:42
talking to clients
115:44
I love coloring hair I love cutting hair
115:47
actually men’s cuts are my favorites for
115:50
some reason just chatting with with do I
115:53
I don’t know I’m a little weird like I
115:55
really like to like have like a guy I
115:57
might in my chair and and doing a buzz
115:59
cut and just chatting chatting them up
116:01
and whatever and I like it but the thing
116:03
of the fact that matter is is that if I
116:05
were to go and do YouTube to the school
116:10
of YouTube and I did 20 hours 20 hours
116:13
of YouTube videos and I learned how to
116:16
perfect the perfect high and tight and
116:19
all of the military dudes they came to
116:22
me and I could do a really really really
116:24
nice high-end type I should be able to
116:27
do that from my basement yeah yeah but
116:30
instead and said I can’t and so I didn’t
116:33
so I you know occupational licensing
116:35
didn’t used to really really really
116:37
bother me until I moved to Virginia
116:39
right um so like I just like I told you
116:42
earlier when I moved here I moved here
116:44
without a job and I have a skill I I
116:49
have a skill I can cut people’s hair I
116:52
can color people’s hair and I’ve really
116:54
excellent customer service I like to
116:56
think and so I I have that skill set I
117:00
didn’t have the money to be able to
117:03
transfer my cosmetology license to
117:06
Virginia and therefore could not legally
117:09
practice it and was then forced to go
117:12
find a job at Target instead of cutting
117:14
here which is an action ensue
117:16
yeah right yeah right and now and now so
117:20
I can’t be license in Virginia um I
117:22
recently transferred my license if do
117:23
you see so the process for the process
117:28
for mastering your your cosmetology
117:31
license from Minnesota to Virginia okay
117:35
is is is a very complicated process
117:38
basically you have to you have to go you
117:40
have to you have to you have to pay the
117:41
licensing fee which is like 160 bucks
117:43
just to transfer
117:44
you have to pay 100 or I don’t actually
117:48
don’t remember it’s about a hundred
117:51
bucks for the for the written test okay
117:53
I’m just to prove that you know you know
117:55
the bylaws whatever and then you also
117:57
have to pay for the the actual physical
118:00
exam which I said why do I have to do
118:04
that I’ve been licensed for seven years
118:07
like I know how to cut hair I don’t need
118:09
to go prove it to you out a man again
118:10
you know but they basically told me when
118:13
I called the Board of Cosmetology in
118:14
Virginia that you know you’re the hours
118:17
and the licensing and the requirements
118:19
are different in Virginia versus
118:21
Minnesota so we actually require you to
118:23
do it fine so what goes into that what
118:26
number one I don’t have a car cuz I sold
118:28
my car okay I’ve to the licensing place
118:32
which there’s no boss to get me there I
118:34
look then on top of it it’s an
118:37
eight-hour exam and then on top of that
118:39
you have to provide all of your own
118:41
supplies so to give you an idea of the
118:45
scope of what it what all you have to
118:46
supply you have to supply totes and bins
118:49
that watch a certain way and they have
118:52
to be a certain diameter with and all
118:54
this different like regulations right
118:55
and then you have to have you have to
118:57
have a long-haired man Ken you have to
118:59
know short hair a mannequin and you have
119:00
to have perm rods and you have to have
119:01
roller sets and you have to have the the
119:04
one prong clips and you have to have the
119:06
two prong clips and then you have to
119:07
have your your combs and your brushes
119:09
your wide tooth comb and all of the
119:11
things that were in my kids and my kit
119:13
itself cost me a thousand dollars when I
119:15
was in beauty school
119:16
so really so really it’s gonna cost me
119:19
over a thousand dollars plus plus the
119:20
fact that I have no transportation to
119:22
get there um just just just so be able
119:26
to make money just to be able to make
119:29
money and you’ve already been and you’ve
119:30
already been licensed somewhere else so
119:32
it’s not like you’re just coming in
119:33
fresh they’re they’re making you redo a
119:35
bunch of crap that you’ve already long
119:37
since done now here’s the best part
119:39
about this okay even if let’s say that I
119:43
came from a rich family that’s okay
119:44
let’s say that I came from a rich family
119:45
and they they were like you know what
119:48
charity like we we really believe in you
119:50
and we want you to succeed
119:52
you’re moving across the country were
119:53
really supportive and happy for you and
119:55
we’re gonna be always the money to like
119:56
get your license you also have to get
120:00
recommended by the board from where you
120:05
came which which would be fine which was
120:07
pretty fine except for the fact that I’m
120:09
politically active and I actually tried
120:11
to run for the board of Cosmetology to
120:13
bring this soda and made some people
120:14
uncomfortable and not so happy with me
120:17
and I have a feeling that if I actually
120:21
put the the time and the effort into
120:23
trying to transfer in my license to
120:25
Virginia the the the board of college in
120:28
Minnesota would get my license and they
120:31
would they would get like the paperwork
120:32
to recommend me and they would say she
120:41
she was opposed to this policy she tried
120:44
to run her boy like and like it’s the
120:48
price you pay as an activist right but
120:50
literally it’s just funny to me because
120:52
I never thought I never I never first of
120:56
all I never thought I’d live in DC or
120:58
the the DMV area it was second of all
121:01
like I never thought that it would catch
121:03
up with me in this sort of collateral
121:06
consequences yeah weird Kafka Eska way
121:09
so I have and that’s I mean this is what
121:12
I hear many times about licensing I have
121:14
two competing license and non licensed
121:17
story here’s my non licensed story at 16
121:19
at 16 years old I’m a pothead I’m
121:22
looking for something to do I my parents
121:24
used to make me work summer jobs at like
121:27
oyster bars and stuff blessing tables so
121:29
I knew what work was and I’m glad they
121:31
did it because I learned the exact
121:32
opposite of what they wanted me to learn
121:35
which was I was like I never want to
121:37
work for anyone ever again like if I
121:39
have clients or something but like I
121:41
would go in and and do stuff and I’m
121:44
making you know five bucks an hour under
121:45
the table back then you know I’m 14
121:48
years old I’m like I’m freaking man I
121:49
got more money than all my friends
121:50
combined I’ve got a $5 an air but but I
121:54
would then see someone my age doing
121:58
essentially the same thing as me and I’m
122:01
like yeah no no no I’m not doing this 20
122:05
now my back’s already sore I can’t even
122:07
imagine and so right then I was like
122:11
well I got to figure out something I can
122:12
do and at the time again I was pothead
122:15
I’m like I need to find something I can
122:17
do at home smoking weed and so and so
122:22
I’m like okay well I’m going to look for
122:25
I start reading like well what are
122:27
things you can do from home and
122:29
something came up website design now
122:32
like oh okay and I found out you can
122:35
actually edit websites using text
122:37
editors there are these like Morcom
122:39
programs that you can use that make it
122:42
easier but at the end of the day all you
122:44
need is a free text editor and a free
122:46
FTP program which is what loads the
122:49
files up this is before database driven
122:51
websites and all this stuff now this was
122:52
in the late 90s and so I thought okay so
122:56
I started I went to my mom who’s a real
122:58
estate agent that worked with a lot of
122:59
other contractors and stuff and I’m like
123:01
okay well I’d like to start making
123:02
websites for free to build up a resume
123:05
and you know first however many websites
123:09
are free I think it’s five or six
123:11
websites I made were free and then after
123:12
that I’m like okay now I’ve got decent
123:14
websites I’m gonna start charging very
123:16
little because again I’m showing up in
123:18
my 86 LeBaron a hotshot seventeen year
123:21
old at this point and people are looking
123:22
at me like what are you like what is it
123:26
and I’m like I’m spike and and so I mean
123:28
it was you know whatever like so I got
123:30
it like you know people aren’t gonna
123:32
take me as seriously as they would you
123:33
know now as an adult um especially since
123:36
I look like I was 12 and so I just I
123:38
kept working my way up the cost like
123:40
until eventually after a couple years to
123:42
three years I was charging I always
123:45
tried to stay on the bottom end of the
123:46
pricing just to be competitive but I was
123:48
charging a market rate and I was able to
123:52
build a business that allowed me to
123:53
retire two years ago
123:55
um when I was diagnosed with MS I’m like
123:58
okay well I don’t need to become a multi
124:00
billionaire like I wanted to I can just
124:01
live a comfortable life and and focus on
124:04
my health because I don’t really need to
124:05
because my immune system hates me and so
124:08
if licensing if I had been required to
124:12
go to web slick design school and get a
124:14
website divine license and spend tens of
124:18
thousands of dog
124:19
I would have said maybe not I’ll do
124:23
something else and who knows what that
124:24
else would have been it might have just
124:26
been some easy job to do or I may have
124:28
wasted all that spent all of that money
124:30
to do the exact same thing I ended up
124:33
doing in my house whatever so there’s
124:36
there’s my free market a story here’s my
124:41
non free-market story I am cheap for a
124:45
lot of things one of them is my hair I
124:47
will either get it done at Walmart and
124:50
and you know find someone that does a
124:51
good job with fades and stuff like that
124:53
but I get it done at Walmart or I’ll get
124:55
it done where I often go and they do the
124:57
best is go to the cosmic that we have
124:59
two cosmic schools of cosmetology hgtc
125:02
and Miller Mont Technical College that
125:04
both do cosmetology programs and you can
125:07
go there and get haircuts for like lower
125:10
than market pricing like I think it’s
125:12
like $8 for a men’s haircut or something
125:14
like that
125:14
mhm and I would I go there and I was
125:19
under the misapprehension that they got
125:20
some of that money and so I’d go and
125:22
there here are women that were already
125:24
cutting hair before they even went to
125:25
school they do the best they get fades
125:28
every bit as good as anyone in a salon
125:31
and the reason they’re not already in a
125:34
salon is because they come from poor
125:36
backgrounds and couldn’t afford to get
125:38
the licensing when they were younger
125:40
like like you they didn’t have that kind
125:42
of program available a lot of times they
125:44
were in bad family situations they’re
125:45
single mothers they’re already in their
125:47
20s 30s but they’ve been cutting here
125:49
for years and they’re given these like
125:50
giving me amazing lineups and fades and
125:53
everything else and I’ll say like well
125:56
how much do you get of this and they’re
125:57
like we don’t get anything we’re
125:59
spending you know I’m taking out a loan
126:00
for like 30 grand 20 grand whatever it
126:03
is and hoping that I can get a good
126:06
cosmetology job in another year or so
126:08
and they were also having to do it
126:09
part-time and I said well what are you
126:11
learning here and they said not a damn
126:12
thing we’re just sitting here and we
126:16
have to listen to what they have to say
126:17
and then we do our time and we do our
126:19
stuff and so I’m like well this is
126:21
terrible you’re doing what I was doing
126:23
giving free product but you’re paying to
126:27
have to give free product and I and so I
126:30
will try to tip them and
126:32
of them or you know the rules you can’t
126:35
tip them so I’ll be like listen let me
126:37
give you ten like I’m already paying
126:38
next to nothing for this haircut let me
126:40
slip you ten bucks and some of them are
126:41
like scared that I’m you know shopping
126:44
them to see if they’re if they’re cool
126:45
you know some of them don’t trust me
126:46
some of them are like yeah you know what
126:48
I just don’t wanna get in trouble some
126:50
of them will take it because they have
126:51
to and there’s been a couple times where
126:53
like I tried to give someone some money
126:54
and so like one time the woman was like
126:57
I won’t I can’t take it and I said
126:59
listen this is one of the best haircuts
127:01
I’ve ever had it didn’t look like this I
127:03
mean at my haircut in a while it looked
127:04
good just imagine if I had a haircut
127:05
that looked good my hair wasn’t unkempt
127:08
looking and I said I wasn’t gonna say
127:10
anything yeah yeah no I need a haircut
127:13
I know it’s it’s I’m like a month
127:15
overdue for America and but so I said
127:17
and you know that of NEP of any person
127:19
you can look at my head and be like yeah
127:20
you need Erika but I said you know and
127:23
so I said listen let me give you a $20
127:25
bill or $10 whatever I give and I said
127:27
I’m just gonna put it here and it’s not
127:30
a tip I dropped my money and you found
127:34
it and don’t even know who it belongs to
127:37
and she just kind of rolled her eyes
127:37
like fine whatever so I did it as I’m
127:39
leaving and you know paying check out at
127:42
the paying at the checkout then the
127:43
teacher comes up one of the instructors
127:46
comes up and says yes I was told that
127:47
you dropped this money and I went oh
127:50
yeah that money I dropped man that’s got
127:53
a good thing you found the money I
127:55
dropped and then I think I was able to
127:56
find someone who was coming back from
127:58
lunch and I’m like listen please give
127:59
this money to whatever and and there
128:00
were like real good friends and so she
128:02
gave it to her what the hell business is
128:05
it of them because it’s the reason that
128:08
their policy is you can’t take a tip
128:10
it’s cuz it’s against the law for them
128:12
yeah I thought the schools be jerks it’s
128:15
against the law they would lose their
128:17
license to teach if they if they allowed
128:21
them to get tips what the hell business
128:24
is it of anyone much less the government
128:26
if I got a good haircut to give someone
128:29
$10 even while they’re complying with
128:32
all your crap those are two competing
128:34
stories if those girls and then they’re
128:37
guys there too but it’s overwhelmingly
128:38
female if those people those persons who
128:41
I won’t gender if those people were
128:44
allowed to just
128:45
get haircuts sorry I didn’t put my phone
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on vibrate
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we’re just allowed to get to give
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haircuts for free until they’ve really
128:52
crafted their skill and like you said go
128:54
on YouTube and and learn whatever or
128:57
even if there were some kind of minimal
128:59
safety class you had to take that was a
129:01
few hours you know don’t don’t slash
129:04
them in the ear with the scissor
129:05
whatever if there was some kind of
129:07
safety thing that you had to take how
129:10
much better off would millions of single
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mostly single parents be in this country
129:16
if they weren’t required to do that not
129:17
to mention all the other jobs that
129:19
require licensing for no good reason
129:21
okay so I actually I have to tell you a
129:24
story so I I didn’t used to be I didn’t
129:30
used to have the position that I have on
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occupational licensing right and when I
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think it was like yell con 2015-2016
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okay okay
129:39
I was I was chatting with some people
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and I I mentioned that I was a licensed
129:45
cosmetologist I think I was like making
129:47
like an offhand comment like oh you’re
129:49
here cause I can help you you went into
129:55
a libertarian meeting and started
129:58
telling the neckbeards there that they
130:00
needed like to get a shape up right yes
130:05
yes um okay so let’s just talk about the
130:10
one in ten women to Liberty no I don’t
130:13
actually want to talk that no so yeah no
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I did I did I did I told them that I
130:19
told this guy and I know the guy but I
130:21
want to I don’t wanna call him out okay
130:23
let’s go back to him basically he he
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said something to me that really really
130:30
shook me and when he said was like wait
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but your your license I was like yeah
130:36
and he’s like well but like licenses are
130:38
like bad like that’s government telling
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you and telling people oh that they can
130:43
and cannot you know do do this work and
130:45
and for me in that moment the way that I
130:47
was I had preconceived notions in the
130:50
way that I viewed my work and and just
130:55
come to ology in general I was very like
130:57
and well well
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yeah like you have to know how to cut
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hair in order to cut hair like what like
131:05
like Joe Schmo like go cut your hair
131:08
like really like yeah you’re just gonna
131:10
you’re just gonna do that um and then it
131:13
was through that conversation and then
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actually just like several months of
131:19
just thinking through like what a
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cosmetology license really is and what
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it does right that I actually I came to
131:29
this conclusion and I what I really want
131:31
to say to people that maybe are like me
131:33
that are libertarian minded but they’re
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they’re working in an industry that’s
131:37
that requires an occupational license
131:39
which is actually one in five people by
131:41
the way one a one in five jobs I should
131:43
say one in five jobs require an
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occupational license which is appalling
131:48
to me um but what I would say to
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somebody that works in a in a enough
131:52
field that requires that that his
131:54
libertarian minded or Liberty minded as
131:56
I would say look here’s the thing um you
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actually will make more money with
132:05
having gone to school and having a
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marketable skill and saying that you
132:11
have the education and the specialty
132:12
right in that area rather than saying
132:16
that everybody in the marketplace
132:20
everybody that’s providing that service
132:22
has the same level of education as you
132:23
if you’re able to go into it and say
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like hey look I did one thousand five
132:28
hundred and fifty hours and I specialize
132:30
in hair color and I actually knows that
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that’s what I would I would I have under
132:37
my belt and I know that that’s my value
132:39
my worth and and so I’m gonna i’m
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actually gonna charge more for this
132:43
haircut in color because i can because i
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went to beauty school yeah and i have
132:48
that formal education training yeah so
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you’re gonna not only not only gonna
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make more money as a cosmetologist not
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less cuz like in my mind I was like oh
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I’m gonna make less money like the you
132:57
know the balance of people flooding into
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my marketplace they’re gonna take our
133:06
jobs yeah well that was exactly that was
133:09
exactly my mind hella D I was like
133:10
they’re gonna take my job they’re gonna
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they’re gonna make they’re gonna
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basically
133:13
Fulton marketplace I’m gonna make less
133:14
money that’s not worth it to me and at
133:17
the end of the day like the more than I
133:18
think about it the more the more I
133:20
realized like I want you to make more
133:21
money I make more money because I’m more
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marketable because I have a I have more
133:25
education under me and in addition to
133:27
that in addition to that you’re going to
133:30
actually see the price of beauty school
133:33
plummet yep because you’re going to see
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people that actually want to go to
133:38
school being the people that go to
133:39
school and then there’s actually going
133:41
there you’re going to be able to balance
133:43
that out instead of having everybody go
133:44
to school where they can just have I got
133:46
well we’re gonna charge everybody this
133:48
like high amount of this high price
133:50
because this is the price to get in well
133:53
you don’t have to go to school if you
133:54
don’t want to I could just I could
133:56
literally just do what you did with web
133:58
design and work my way up to making
134:00
market value based on YouTube videos if
134:03
I wanted to but I don’t have to do and
134:05
then send I’m choosing to go to beauty
134:06
school and because I’m choosing to go to
134:08
beauty school it’s a service to me that
134:10
needs to be competitive and
134:11
competitively priced yeah and and that’s
134:15
that’s the thing that like really irks
134:17
me about occupational licensing is that
134:18
people don’t realize like if we took
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away occupational licensing you’re not
134:22
going to make less money you’re actually
134:23
gonna make more and you’re gonna save
134:25
money on your schooling the powerful
134:28
price equalisation of making something
134:31
optional cannot be underestimated and
134:36
conversely the price escalation that
134:39
comes from making something manned
134:41
especially something stupid mandatory
134:43
and I’m not calling schooling stupid but
134:45
the idea of having to go to school for
134:47
months or years to cut someone’s hair is
134:51
stupid that’s not that’s not smart and
134:55
well here’s yeah the other thing is is
134:57
that my um in Montana it’s 400 hours you
135:03
know 400 hours converted my 1,550 and so
135:07
it’s like whoa but it’s not like I just
135:10
crossed the border and like somehow like
135:12
forgot how to cut hair right right like
135:16
the border isn’t just like this magical
135:18
like line or like I just like everything
135:21
changes and I become a different person
135:22
next one who I am
135:24
right here right hairs not easier in men
135:27
in it what was it what was it you just
135:30
said and I think it’s Montana I’m pretty
135:31
sure it’s not like hair’s not better in
135:33
Montana like it’s not he’s more easily
135:35
manageable to cut hair in Montana that
135:37
it justifies that difference in in in in
135:40
the gaps there but yeah I know I
135:42
licensing is a regressive tax for
135:47
licenses and I mean if we had another
135:50
two and a half hours we could get into
135:52
building codes and all that like all of
135:54
this stuff that is sold on us that it’s
135:56
protecting the public what it’s actually
135:58
doing is creating massive barriers to
136:01
entry and regret and massively
136:04
regressive taxes on the poor who are
136:09
trying to get ahead in life and it’s
136:12
just it’s it’s people who started their
136:15
careers with no licensing who then get
136:18
up to a level that they go uh I think
136:20
everyone needs a license to do what I do
136:22
because what I do is on on a super high
136:24
level and they’re just they’re there
136:25
they got in so they’re shutting the door
136:27
behind them and it’s it’s it’s it’s it’s
136:30
it’s it’s it’s terrible and and I I when
136:35
you think of the innovation that could
136:37
happen if you didn’t have to get
136:38
government permission III fear that you
136:41
know government licensing for for web
136:43
design is coming they’ll find some
136:45
cockamamie you know example of some guys
136:47
screwing people out of money and that’s
136:49
why your noodle license God knows you
136:51
can’t screw people out of money if you
136:52
have a license and and then and that but
136:55
I mean thank God it works because that’s
136:57
how that works and now conversely like
136:59
so when I had my my business I reached a
137:02
point where I had started outsourcing to
137:04
other people a because I it was better a
137:09
division of labor I could spend more
137:11
money it spend more time selling which
137:13
was my strong point and B it allowed me
137:16
to not have to learn some of the so I I
137:20
had a cursory understanding of a lot of
137:22
the the technologies related to web
137:24
design but I wasn’t like I couldn’t
137:27
build the code from scratch
137:28
I couldn’t build all codes from scratch
137:30
and so but I could hire someone who went
137:33
to school for several thousand hours and
137:35
it has a student debt and Here I am bear
137:38
we made it out of high school and and I
137:40
would hire them and have them do the
137:43
work and I’m making you know not
137:46
actually they were made my outsource
137:48
people were making most of money but I
137:49
was essentially just selling the project
137:51
giving it off to someone else and then
137:53
and then bringing the finished product
137:54
to them and it was because I
137:57
I saw the higher education and licensing
138:02
gap trap for what it was which was just
138:04
like people with their hand out saying
138:06
oh no if you want to do something you
138:08
got to do it you know go through the
138:10
process it was like no III I’m
138:13
definitely not gonna do that now
138:14
thankfully a lot of it was just that I
138:16
was I just wanted to stay home and smoke
138:18
weed but it worked for me so
138:21
Minoo drugs are bad but that that
138:24
particular well let’s get this is
138:26
actually go ahead this is a good segue
138:28
this is a good segue because actually I
138:30
wanted to go back to the opioid crisis
138:32
for it for a bit sure um so something
138:36
that I just I love I love telling this
138:39
this story just speaking about free
138:41
market solutions to our opioid epidemic
138:45
right so there’s there’s this this is
138:47
really cool
138:49
non-profit in Chicago Detroit I’m sorry
138:54
it’s it’s it’s true and basically it’s a
138:57
nonprofit that it takes inner-city kids
139:00
and teaches them how to code no yes so
139:03
that’s that’s that was the initial the
139:06
initial nonprofit the initial the
139:08
initial project
139:09
well what these inner-city kids did is
139:11
they actually took their their coding
139:13
and they said you know what would be
139:14
really great is if we created a system
139:17
and we created an app that we could tell
139:21
just local users local drug users about
139:24
and what that what this app would do is
139:26
is alert them when there’s a bad batch
139:29
of heroin in the area and they did and
139:32
they didn’t and so what they did is they
139:33
took they took they input all the data
139:35
from police reports for overdoses in
139:38
particular blocks and like certain sects
139:41
of of Detroit and they they alerted
139:45
people for about 24 to 48 hours around
139:49
excessive
139:51
of overdoses in an area saying that
139:52
there’s probably a bad batches all right
139:54
fentanyl or something like that yeah
139:56
yeah and it I mean there’s not like
139:58
necessarily a way to track I mean maybe
140:01
there is but but nothing I know of a way
140:03
to track how many people lives it saved
140:05
but I’m sure it’s countless oh and
140:08
that’s that’s amazing to me because that
140:10
right there is free-market innovation
140:12
for for harm reduction yeah it is people
140:18
who were helped by people who are
140:21
helping people it is it is people that
140:24
are subjected to all the stuff we’ve
140:26
been talking about from the stadium from
140:27
bad private actors as well it’s not the
140:29
government’s not the only bad actor out
140:30
there but they’ve been subjected to
140:32
these things that have put them in in
140:33
terrible situations that were not their
140:35
fault because I’m poor inner-city kids
140:36
it’s not their fault where they are or
140:38
anything else who were helped by others
140:41
and now they have a skill set and their
140:43
immediate thing that they think is yeah
140:46
I want to help more people because I was
140:47
helped that is mutual aid when people
140:50
say without government who will do X
140:54
whatever good thing and the answer is we
140:58
will like yeah you and I will and it may
141:02
not be that specific thing I I I’m I’m I
141:05
I’m not the right person to teach them
141:07
went out of code cuz my coding is is as
141:09
rudimentary as it can be done on a
141:12
website design company I was I was heavy
141:14
on sales
141:14
I knew the coding enough to make it work
141:17
and when it got more advanced out
141:18
sourced it but I but I and I had enough
141:20
knowledge about it to be able to speak
141:23
intelligently between the the client and
141:25
the and the actual coder but there are
141:29
so many things that we can do for each
141:30
other completely voluntarily if
141:33
government would just legal or
141:35
decriminalize it make it legal or or or
141:38
stop arresting people for it so those
141:41
are the two things I say when someone
141:42
says what would go without government
141:44
who will do X I say two things
141:45
we will and without government who would
141:47
stop us and yeah
141:50
that’s really the the end of it with me
141:52
I mean I have I do have one final
141:55
question before I give you your chance
141:56
to give your final thoughts by the way
141:58
this has been an absolutely insanely
142:00
amazing interview and I’m so happy that
142:02
you chose to come on
142:05
so thanks so my question to you is and I
142:13
want to put I want to put 30 seconds on
142:15
the clock to give you sufficient time
142:17
that’s really not sufficient time but I
142:18
want to give you 30 seconds to answer it
142:20
is why do you want America to be like
142:27
Somalia good luck I write what no I’m
142:44
not answering this question okay okay
142:48
that was actually the correct answer the
142:51
so the the follow-up question would be
142:55
how often are you encouraged lovingly
142:57
and otherwise to move to other countries
142:59
when you start talking about the man um
143:03
literally more than I would like to
143:07
admit to be honest it’s it’s yeah but
143:09
you should I mean the thing is is that
143:11
people people that say that they’re just
143:14
uneducated honestly they just they just
143:15
don’t know what what it is that is going
143:19
is going on in other countries and and
143:21
also they don’t they don’t understand
143:22
how our foreign policy is has really
143:24
negatively impacted our current
143:27
immigration system yeah yeah yeah well
143:31
and Somalia specifically I’ll say what
143:35
do you know about Somalia and they’ll go
143:37
it’s anarchy and I’ll go is it really
143:39
and they’ll say yeah and I’ll say ok let
143:41
me tell you what Somalia really is it’s
143:43
a failed communist state that was then
143:46
taken over by foreign communists failed
143:49
again so then it was taken over by I
143:51
mean I extremists are also status they
143:57
just want a religious dictatorship
143:59
instead of a communist one that failed
144:01
and then now it’s run essentially by the
144:04
UN a UN provisional government that
144:07
continues to fail
144:08
so Somalia is the logical conclusion of
144:12
statism applied absolutely in every
144:15
aspect because they tried to create
144:16
their version of a North
144:18
riah first they had a king than they
144:20
were and that didn’t go they had a they
144:24
were French I believe French occupied
144:25
that obviously didn’t go well then they
144:27
became a fail fully communist state that
144:30
immediately failed any of the times you
144:32
see pictures of starving there’s this
144:34
picture of a starving Somali and and
144:38
there’s like a well-dressed businessman
144:39
who’s handing them a dollar and they go
144:41
this is what calm this is what
144:43
capitalism looks like that’s actually a
144:45
communist business person that was there
144:48
to to look at how they could exploit
144:51
Somalia so that was actually a russian
144:53
communist who was using US dollars
144:55
because they knew their money was
144:56
worthless
144:57
so Somalia is actually a textbook
145:01
example of every way that the state can
145:04
fail all at once and and in in
145:07
perpetuity so that’s obviously and my
145:10
quicker answer is I actually don’t have
145:12
a I liked your answer I don’t have it
145:13
I’m not gonna answer that
145:15
that’s my new answer to that know I’m
145:19
moved to Somalia or you could say well
145:23
I’m a libertarian and I hate roads there
145:25
are no roads there so what am I going to
145:27
destroy so anyway so charity again it
145:33
was an absolute blast to have you on I’m
145:35
so happy
145:35
hopefully I can have you on again before
145:38
I let you go I just want to give you a
145:40
chance to give any final thoughts
145:41
anything that you didn’t thought that we
145:42
didn’t get a chance to discuss anything
145:45
that you want to plug or promote any
145:47
final message you want to leave with
145:48
anyone you have as much time as you want
145:50
charity Nicole the floor is yours okay
145:55
so two things first first I want to just
145:58
say if there are any like women I just
146:03
like I just want to play this like there
146:04
are any women that are in the Liberty
146:06
movement there may be watching this are
146:07
your liberty minded or your Liberty
146:09
leaning and you’re kind of like looking
146:11
at it and you’re going well you know
146:12
this is a politics it’s dominated by men
146:15
and there are a lot of people that are
146:17
way smarter than I am and and you know
146:20
you’re kind of maybe feeling intimidated
146:21
I just want you to know that you are not
146:23
alone and there are really awesome or
146:26
musicians that are out there look like
146:29
ladies of Liberty alignment Alliance
146:31
Lola is an excellent resource shout out
146:34
to them and and I just want like I just
146:37
I personally like my heart goes out to
146:39
like women that that are that are
146:41
libertarians um that just really like
146:44
want to like throw themselves out there
146:47
and like be part of the Liberty movement
146:48
like be my friend add me on Facebook
146:51
like seriously like I would love to be
146:52
like be your friend and the second thing
146:54
is say sorry but like a little bit there
146:57
no absolutely
147:00
the second thing I just want to say is
147:02
like when whenever it comes to like
147:05
conversations about climate like
147:08
specifically I just want to talk about
147:09
climate change for just like a hot
147:10
second when it comes a sitcom
147:12
conversations about like climate change
147:14
or a really any conversation and you
147:19
know you get pushback about you know oh
147:21
well it’s just a big government
147:23
conspiracy or whatever right like here
147:25
here’s the thing you there the free
147:28
market is the best solution to any of
147:32
our problems yeah and I truly truly
147:35
believe that especially for climate
147:38
change pollution reduction calm things
147:41
like that like people call me a hippie
147:42
which is which is really funny to me
147:44
some anti-war and I you know I want to
147:48
you know help our environment and I’m
147:51
free I’m Pro free market so I guess
147:53
whatever I guess I’m a unique hippie
147:54
yeah it’s very unique hippie yeah yeah
147:57
but the thing is is that like the free
148:01
market really truly is the best solution
148:03
to to all of our all of all of the
148:05
problems that we have and yeah if you
148:07
really do your research if you really
148:09
think through issues that are that are
148:11
plaguing not just the United States with
148:13
the world as a whole
148:15
oftentimes you know when you do your
148:17
research you know you’re gonna you’re
148:20
gonna find that government has has
148:23
actually made the problem worse and the
148:24
best solution is the free market well
148:28
yeah yeah less coercion put it this way
148:33
to anyone out there which do you think
148:36
works better forcing someone to do
148:39
something
148:40
or giving them an opportunity to figure
148:41
out the best way for themselves to do it
148:45
and even more and and and and the way
148:49
the really edgy if you really want to
148:50
make friends as you go well which do you
148:52
like better slavery or voluntary labor
148:56
and I don’t like use it even though I
148:58
don’t like using that comparison because
149:01
it’s it is a very white guy who has zero
149:04
perspective on things like slavery or
149:07
oppression to say but from a from a
149:10
philosophical standpoint you’ve got
149:13
something being forced and something
149:15
that’s voluntary and whether it’s
149:16
slavery versus voluntary labor or the
149:19
state versus free market or whatever
149:21
it’s just don’t say it but don’t say it
149:23
don’t say it um so again charity thank
149:26
you so much for coming on stick around I
149:27
want to talk with you for a second what
149:29
during the intro but guys thank you
149:31
again for tuning in for this episode of
149:33
my fellow Americans join us oh you got a
149:36
shout out AB Abby Abby sook Raj said hi
149:40
charity so oh hi so guys thank you again
149:47
for tuning in
149:48
be sure to tune in tomorrow for the
149:52
writer’s block with my co-host Matt
149:55
Wright he will be interviewing Aaron
149:57
Nakamoto to talk about an Turco Vegas
150:00
let me pull that up again an Turco Vegas
150:03
be sure to tune into that so they’ll be
150:06
talking about that and many other things
150:08
on tomorrow night Friday night I believe
150:11
we are not going to have an episode of
150:13
mr. America the bearded truth because
150:14
Jason and his wife are preparing for the
150:17
arrival of their of their baby which
150:19
apparently is more important than you
150:21
know whatever priorities and then have a
150:25
great weekend Monday I again I don’t
150:28
know Jason might put his family before
150:30
muddy waters media I don’t know what to
150:32
tell you I don’t know I think you can
150:33
ask him you can ask him what he’s doing
150:35
Monday he may not know yet and then next
150:37
Tuesday be sure to tune in to the muddy
150:41
waters of freedom with me and Matt right
150:43
where we parse through the week’s news
150:45
with all of the irreverence and joy of a
150:50
small child and then
150:53
tune in next Wednesday next week right
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here at my fellow Americans I will be
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interviewing at least one of the admins
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of fake Rotarians I think there’s
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actually going to be a few of them and
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we’re gonna be talking about how
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literally everyone but who’s on the show
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is not a real libertarian which we
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touched on briefly during this episode
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but we’re really gonna delve into how
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everyone else including probably you are
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not a real libertarian but so tune in
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fake Rotarians next week and guys thank
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you again for tuning in so much have a
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great rest of your evening and god bless
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you
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