(((My Fellow Americans))) #39: Between 2 Anarchist Rednecks with Brent DeRidder

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cool initiative that’s being
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co-sponsored by moneyed waters media and
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stateside kava bar down in Tampa Bay
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Florida it’s called Operation p.o box
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and what this is it’s designed to help
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the homeless in Florida Florida’s a
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specially in the Tampa Bay area they
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have a very bad homeless problem um many
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of the homeless there want to get jobs
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but they can’t get one because you need
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an ID to get a job and you can’t get an
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ID without a home and you can’t get a
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job without an ID and you can’t get a
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home without a job and it’s you know
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it’s a vicious cycle and so what we’re
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trying to do is with operation peal box
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will be getting peel boxes for homeless
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folks because in this at least in the
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state of Florida you can use a peel box
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to to get a state ID and with that you
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can then get a job so we’re getting them
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Pio boxes and then what we’ll be doing
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with their permission is we’ll publish
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those peel boxes so anyone can send them
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gifts like clothing gift cards job
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offers notes of encouragement whatever
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you want and so this is very early on we
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this if you’re interested in how you can
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help we are there taking donations at
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hoping to have some actual appeal boxes
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to share with people in the next week or
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so and we will be doing that on this
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show so be sure to stay tuned on that so
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guys I am super excited tonight because
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I’ve had a string of northerners and
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even a couple foreigners on my show for
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the past few months and God love them I
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have no problem with people from the
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north but now I have that long last a
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real southerner I’ve had southerners on
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my show before but it’s been a it’s been
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a minute and I now have at long last a
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southerner on my show and boy did I pick
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a good one
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this man wears many hats all of them
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with Ford logos on them I don’t know if
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that’s true um
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he is the vice chair of the Libertarian
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Party of North Carolina he is the
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founder of the Liberty Coalition for
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disaster relief he is currently working
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on his newest project which is the
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Liberty loop we’ll talk about that later
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ladies and gentlemen please welcome to
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my fellow Americans the anarcho redneck
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himself mr. Brent de Ridder Brent thanks
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for coming on the show hey thanks for
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having me man
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I’m really excited to have you on really
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happy to have a fellow southern Iran I
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am using a little bit of license and
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calling myself a redneck I’m not really
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a redneck I’m redneck adjacent right on
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we go with that I’m the kind of person
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that would use the term adjacent and
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ironically so I guess I’m not alone
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probably disqualifies me yeah you
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probably get your coffee from a shop
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right actually don’t know no I’m Bob I
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drink tea not coffee yeah I’m that guy
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oh wow yeah yeah never gotta read that
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card huh Kenny would take it away if
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they would have never given I mean there
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used to be some religious
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disqualifications when I first moved
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here so I mean you know that’s changed
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recently they’re good with Jews now but
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uh yeah so I mean I’m I was raised in
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the south but my parents are both from
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New England so that shows in my daily
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and the way I carry myself no but thank
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you for coming
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and guys be sure to comment with any
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questions and thoughts and Brent and I
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will tell you if you are right or wrong
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now
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Brent as I mentioned briefly in your
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introduction you’re an anarchist if I’m
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if I’m not mistaken I am and the first
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thing I asked my guests when they first
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come on is how did you get to your
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current political beliefs so how would
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you say you got to where you are being
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an anarchist would you say it was like
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an aha moment or more of a gradual
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evolution over time or tell us about
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that
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no it was a total aha moment I just I
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kind of I realized the Republican Party
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left small government Republicans in the
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dust a while ago and I was young and
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excited about politics and was excited
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about the Republican Party up until that
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point and I decided I better not lose
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that enthusiasm and find something else
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and I found the LP and when I did man I
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just I went from like really right
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leaning Republican to anarchist within
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just a few days so you skipped MIT or
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kissed and went straight to an ER case
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yeah yeah there was no like there was no
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real progression I wrapped my mind
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around the the general idea and I was
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like oh it’s if I want something or if I
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think something I need to convince other
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people it’s a good idea it’s not cool to
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use guns and then I just applied that to
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everything and yeah got there real quick
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cool cool yeah I I think I probably was
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an anarchist at heart for a while but I
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was one of those people that still was
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like I was holding on to my you know
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what they call them your spooks or
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whatever I’m like well but we need
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someone to protect us and was like
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protecting us from what exactly like you
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know what what and and if we do need
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someone to protect us why could that not
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be filled if I’m spending all my time
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saying the government’s terrible at
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everything why would I think they’d
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suddenly be good at protecting me from
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these enemies that they keep creating
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like Isis and al-qaeda so it it it was
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maybe a little bit slower than your
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progression but it was but it was kind
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of the same thing was like oh yeah
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government sucks at everything yeah yeah
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I don’t want to go to the DMV and I
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don’t want the DMV to go anywhere else
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that was the whole thing ah I like I
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like that saying I like that saying so
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really cool so so you said you got
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involved in the Libertarian Party of
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North Carolina how did you get like so
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what brought you to them I you sort of
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generally said that but was there like a
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specific event or a person that brought
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you to them and and does your
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organization allow beard straightening
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like our South Carolina does allows
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Jason line to get away with or what’s
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the story with that we uh we Lian
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convinced me that that was a good idea
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man and no we now found upon beards
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training right that yeah I’m a little
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shorter than I used to be some of you
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folks may have noticed so we don’t do
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that here anymore
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okay like a South Carolina thing is that
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like a like a physical removal criteria
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or just you frown on it it’s uh I mean
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it ain’t good man it’s I’m not gonna
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toss you over it but uh you know it
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moves you toward the line for sure on
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you’re on thin ice you’re on thin ice
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with that right so what so what got you
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know with the party so I was involved
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nationally before I was involved locally
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I kind of found libertarians online and
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started working on some projects that
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were outside of the LP but a part of the
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movement and kind of Susan Hogarth our
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current chair chair the LP NC dragged me
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kicking and screaming to a local meetup
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and it was I met my first real
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libertarians and it was over it was it
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was done the guy knew that was my
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community those were my people that’s
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really cool shit and you know for those
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who don’t know your your around the
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Wilmington North Carolina area right
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yeah I’m uh I’m like thirty minutes
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north of Wilmington cool cool that’s
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really really cool so so you did that
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now let me ask you this so I cuz I’ve
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had this a little bit of not an issue
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but I assume I may be correct me if I’m
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wrong most of your family are probably
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Republican conservative constitutional
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types would it would I am I correct in
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assuming that yeah most of them yeah and
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mine are as well even though they’re not
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from the self but just generally
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speaking if you have family in the south
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and you’re white the majority of them
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are going to be are going to be you know
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Republican or a Republican leaning have
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you gotten any kind of like push because
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you’re you’re like me you’re very vocal
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about your beliefs have you gotten any
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kind of pushback from relatives or loved
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ones or you know people scratching their
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head and asking you if you’re okay or
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you know you need help or anything like
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that no well I was always weird so
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surprised anybody that I went and did a
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weird thing but no my relatives are all
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fairly open-minded and the ones that
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aren’t are polite so there’s not been a
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lot of pushback it’s mostly mostly they
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like the ideas and we get the well
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libertarians can’t win think so
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which is irrefutable right now it’s
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which I was gonna say it’s hard to argue
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like it’s like libertarians can’t win
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yeah we can well why haven’t they well
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that’s it you know not really a good
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answer to that um and I’m not you know
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I’m not I’d like to think most people
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want to be free I think most people like
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the idea of being free I don’t know if
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it’s true that most people want to be
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free which is why I wonder if the
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libertarian party could win but I also
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don’t fault anyone for trying I mean
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you’re at least trying something and if
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nothing else you’re getting your message
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out about yeah and we’ll talk about this
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more you know when someone says well
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what how will the government without the
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government who will do this and it’s
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like well we will you know what well you
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and I can do this we don’t need someone
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to rob us at gunpoint to force us to
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want this we are we’re proving we want
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this already so but uh yeah I guess I
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guess what my family members are just
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glad I’m sober so it’s right on so you
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know I we depends on the metric you use
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and man I mean we can’t we can’t win a
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presidential election right now right we
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can win local races and we can win
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hearts and minds and if you win enough
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hearts and minds it doesn’t matter
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whether you can win a presidential
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election or not I mean that’s ya know
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it’s true it’s sure if you look at I
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would say that the progressive left has
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largely at least for now won most of the
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war quote-unquote I mean you have a
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Republican president calling himself a
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quitter
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who is growing government at levels that
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would have made Obama blush as he also
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sees his guns and Republicans are kind
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of sort of halfway behind at halfway not
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behind it so to me they’re proving that
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you don’t necessarily have to win an
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election if you win like you said hearts
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and minds if you convince enough people
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no we don’t need any of this it really
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doesn’t matter who wins because the only
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way that they can win is to believe that
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right all right I mean yeah what if
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enough people say I’m opting out I mean
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they’ve got nothing left what are they
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gonna do can’t round us all up no no no
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I don’t I don’t think they’ll try either
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I don’t I I I mean they’ve got the FEMA
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body bags or whatever but I don’t I
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don’t think that’s gonna happen
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Oh sir certainly the loudest of us are
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gone I mean but they take all of us all
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of us yeah yeah and it’s I tried to
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occupy a middle ground of where I’m
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vocal enough where people can hear me
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but maybe there’s still people you know
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that they’ll go after first it give me a
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little bit more time to to say stuff of
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course now I’m in Canada so I’m not sure
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how long that’ll left
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so speaking of FEMA camps the Liberty
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Coalition for disaster relief this is an
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organization that you organize people to
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help on the scene during and after
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natural disasters and you have a really
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cool story about how that started tell
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us about how this came to be oh I was uh
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I was hanging out in the bedroom
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working with anarchist ambassador’s
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which is a another organization I helped
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found the idea being that anarchists
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were tired of being told that you know
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without government we’d all fade away
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and we are answered of with you know
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without government who will was we will
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and we started doing things to make our
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communities better and we were feeding
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the homeless and educating people and
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did a lot of different projects and my
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daughter walks in the bedroom and I’m
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sitting there in my underwear working
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away at the computer and she’s like
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we’ve got to help these people
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in Texas that hurricane sit in Texas and
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we got to do something so I said sure
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we’ll go knock on some doors in the
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neighborhood and
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and you know collect food and see what
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we can do and she said no you need to
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call your libertarian friends we need to
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do something we really need to do
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something right all right I did I got up
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with a few libertarians and it to be
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such coldly logical unyk so much of the
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time it was amazing to watch everybody
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just burst into action all at once we
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had people driving down within hours of
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me asking for help I mean so cool that’s
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so cool was great that is so quick that
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was hurricane Harvey right right
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so 20 17 20 2016 2017 2017 yeah yeah so
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you’ve been doing this two years now oh
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we have a comment from Shane Sweeney
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says two of my favorite anarchists on
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one podcast not bad LCDR represent LCD
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what is LCD our Liberty Coalition for
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disaster in love the thing we’re talking
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about okay yes LCDR represent oh it
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speaking of the thing that we were just
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talking about so started with hurricane
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Harvey and then since then you’ve done
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hurricane you did hurricane Florence
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last year we did a little so Harvey was
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our Big Shot and we didn’t we had not
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intended for it to be anything more than
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a one-time effort you know and it kind
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of everybody it was there were a lot of
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folks involved that were very involved
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in other parts of the Liberty movement
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we had a lease almond up in North
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Carolina New York she wishes she was in
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North Carolina she’s up there in new New
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York working the Larry sharp campaign
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and we had some guys from the Austin
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Peterson campaign Zach Garretson and
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Matt Mahler and a lot of folks wish I
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could name everybody but the video makes
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me panic and I can’t think okay no I’m
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saying it’s okay you’re doing great
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right on we had a lot of folks jump on
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but everybody was back to their own
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projects within you know a few months
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and and things kind of died down and
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when Florence hit in North Carolina I
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was actually I mean I’m
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on the coast where we were looking down
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the barrel about a category four or five
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we’re headed straight to the coast I
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know you were too I’m sure you were
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wigging out too
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we left and we went to Alabama and we
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had some like personal we had a personal
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crisis with my daughter and we were
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stuck way way out of state and we were
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super far from home and we had no money
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to get back and we didn’t know what we
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were coming back to and LCDR raised all
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the money we needed to get back home and
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get back on our feet and get our kids
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safe so we’re we have decided that we
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are back up and running we’re working on
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getting legal to take donations in all
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50 states and to do search and rescue
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and disaster relief in all 50 states
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currently we’re working on the
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legalities and the technical side and
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and we’ve got a great new volunteer
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Michael Nolan working our IT department
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and doing great things on the internet
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you’ll be able to do huge things from
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our website very soon so yeah all that’s
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in the works and we should be up and
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rolling by the beginning of 2020 that is
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awesome it’s one of those things that
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you hope to never have to use but it’s
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going to happen hurricanes are gonna
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happen floods are gonna happen tornadoes
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are gonna happen and and other various
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crises and disasters are gonna happen
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and like you said this if you’re an
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anarchist calling someone a bootlicker
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can be cathartic it does nothing to help
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the cause if you believe that there
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shouldn’t be a government and you were
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dealing with people that I’m not
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preaching to you by the way I’m talking
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to the viewers oh yeah yeah I mean if
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you’re and I know you don’t do this
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which is why I’m talking about it um I’m
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at it so if you’re trying to present
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yourself as an embed and I like the term
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anarchists ambassadors you’re presenting
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yourself as someone to represent this
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more compassionate more caring more
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moral more ethical more efficient and
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just better way of doing things than our
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status system and you don’t you a don’t
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have any really good answers for people
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that are asking legitimate questions
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like how will we be safe what about my
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family what about schools
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I want my kid to be smart I don’t want
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them to be dumb and you’re you know
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beating down on them with you know bad
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well I threw actually they’re good memes
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but with memes and you know catchphrases
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that they don’t they don’t get what my
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roads means like you hit them with this
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or you can say this is how we’ll do it
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and actually show them and and represent
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that and be that it’s not as easy as
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just insulting them but it’s it actually
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accomplishes something so I think it’s
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really cool what you’re doing now are
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you that I googled this enough to
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realize that I should just ask you do
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you consider yourself part of the cage
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and Navy or is that even a real thing or
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is it just a media catchphrase how does
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how does that work no so location maybe
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is like an idea and it’s a similar idea
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to what
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LCDR is but that’s it’s there’s several
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different organizations some of them are
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really good some of them are not so good
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okay and we did work with occasion Navy
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in in Texas and we did a little bit of a
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little bit more with them and in North
23:14
Carolina after Florence but it’s a it’s
23:17
another group of search and rescue and
23:19
disaster relief teams that are on a
23:22
grassroots organized and and doing their
23:24
own thing and really working more around
23:27
government and around FEMA than with
23:32
them I mean we kind of have to push
23:34
through most of the time yeah I was
23:36
gonna ask you and by the way again I the
23:38
idea of like government being replaced
23:41
by like rednecks and pickup trucks and
23:44
boats like helping people
23:45
I’d like to me and again I’m I’m from I
23:47
say here I’m in Canada I’m from the
23:50
south so like a lot of people get scared
23:51
of the concept of rednecks because
23:53
they’ve watched too much TV but uh like
23:56
Timmy’s just the coolest thing it’s like
23:57
who’s gonna who’s gonna do it the the
24:00
guys in the pickup trucks are gonna do
24:01
it they’re gonna they’re gonna save us
24:02
all I just think it’s the best I think I
24:04
know you do too I think it’s the best
24:05
thing but you mentioned like so how much
24:10
like problems do you run into with the
24:13
state and the feds when you try to do
24:14
this stuff is it just like you know you
24:16
have to have your licensing or they like
24:18
physically stopping you from helping
24:19
people so we are working on getting
24:23
getting registered with every state some
24:26
states you have to do at county by
24:27
county to do search-and-rescue and
24:29
things like that it’s ridiculous but in
24:32
in a Texas man we were super shocked we
24:37
are guys we’re calling our volunteers
24:40
were calling from the road saying hey
24:42
I’m down here in Texas I’ve got supplies
24:45
in the truck I’ve got a boat on a
24:47
trailer
24:48
I can go pull people out of what people
24:50
were drowning I mean they’re right and
24:54
our teams were being told that it was
24:56
too dangerous
24:57
sometimes it was too dangerous because
24:59
of flooding sometimes it was too
25:00
dangerous because of looters and it was
25:02
being suggested that they were required
25:04
to drop their supplies with FEMA and
25:07
with the Red Cross and leave the
25:09
supplies with them and we were being
25:11
told that a lot of their volunteers and
25:14
employees were were selling relief
25:17
supplies and we were like definitely not
25:19
and I guess a lot of folks got turned
25:22
away there were a lot of people from
25:24
across the country going down and they
25:25
got turned away and they did turn over
25:27
their supplies but this was a lot of
25:30
libertarians and a lot of rednecks and
25:33
they just kind of locked and loaded and
25:35
they were either like well we’re going
25:38
to be like a few guys were like yeah
25:39
we’ll go back home and they just turned
25:41
around and got their boat off the river
25:44
or down a creek and went around the
25:46
roadblocks which was pretty cool in my
25:48
opinion and we actually had one team
25:50
that went back to their car got their AR
25:52
out they were stopped by
25:54
they weren’t stopped by the PD they were
25:56
just stopped by relief volunteers from
25:59
other organizations either you know Red
26:02
Cross or FEMA or whatever right and
26:04
these guys and I can’t even remember
26:06
which team it was but these guys were
26:08
like walked out with a rars and they
26:09
were like no there’s no roadblock here
26:13
roadblock listen this is I mean and this
26:17
is lista this sounds like the disaster
26:20
relief version of when people try to
26:21
help the homeless and you know the
26:24
county health people come out and pour
26:26
bleach on it and everyone gets arrested
26:28
like you know what I guess that’s
26:30
another way to answer without government
26:32
who will do X is like the people that
26:34
the government actively stops from doing
26:36
oh right we had we I don’t you may have
26:39
seen it on the news it was only on the
26:41
news for like five minutes because a
26:43
solid liberty movement activists jumped
26:46
in and helped and God knows the
26:47
mainstream media doesn’t want you to
26:49
hear that but new new new for just a few
26:52
minutes during Harvey in Texas there
26:53
were they were broadcasting that there
26:56
was a nursing home where the staff had
26:59
left the nursing home and these these
27:02
poor geriatric folks are in there with
27:04
like open wounds and yeah they’re in
27:06
there in knee-deep water they’ve gotten
27:08
a medical supplies they’ve got enough
27:10
food and the staff had just left him
27:12
there and there was nobody getting them
27:15
out and they were in an area where we
27:17
were being told we were not allowed to
27:18
go and one of our female volunteers
27:20
Rianne moody god bless her she is
27:22
amazing she jumped in a boat I believe
27:26
and took medical supplies and dodged the
27:30
cops and and everybody else trying to
27:32
stop her and she actually is the one
27:34
that answered the the need there at the
27:38
nursing home which immediately was you
27:40
know the mainstream media wasn’t
27:41
reporting on that anymore of course yeah
27:43
yeah yeah that’s really cool man listen
27:50
and and I mean again I’m this is this is
27:53
my episode to to sing the praises of
27:56
rednecks which I really never get an
27:58
opportunity to do and this is as good an
28:00
episode as I need to do that I we talked
28:04
about you know anarchy and people will
28:06
talk about revolution I don’t really
28:08
talk about revolution and stuff like
28:09
that but people will talk about
28:10
revolution and almost without fail the
28:12
people who talk about revolution and you
28:16
know we’re good the guillotines and all
28:17
this stuff there are people who like
28:19
would lose their minds if Starbucks like
28:22
free and low on coffee for you know from
28:25
frappuccinos for a week or something and
28:27
and and like it’s rednecks who literally
28:31
like society you know the the the
28:33
infrastructure the power and all could
28:36
crumble and the average redneck would be
28:38
good for like a couple months without
28:41
any problem and and so to see them in
28:43
action because like I can do it like I
28:48
have MS I have a drug I have to
28:50
get every month or else there’s gonna be
28:51
real problems so if that ever breaks
28:53
down I’m just I’m gonna be gone after
28:55
about a month and half so you see
28:56
everyone later I’ll see it on the other
28:57
side but you know rednecks get down and
29:00
I just I really like the idea of
29:02
rednecks embracing anarchy because like
29:04
they sort of already are they just don’t
29:06
realize it and a lot of ways in their
29:08
everyday life they’re living outside of
29:11
the government in a way that most people
29:14
don’t even a lot of self-described
29:15
libertarians even me don’t they don’t
29:18
live outside of this status structure
29:21
and rednecks do yeah we so we um you
29:28
know just south of light and east of
29:30
Appalachia and yeah it’s all this is how
29:34
we’re raised the idea of leaving
29:36
everybody alone and treating other
29:38
people how you want to be treated and
29:39
you know property rights and
29:42
non-aggression you know the non
29:44
initiation of force those are all
29:45
instilled in us as children and then
29:49
despite the way what we’re told when
29:52
we’re kids our parents raised us in a
29:54
community and and with a government that
29:57
brainwashes us and teaches us to do do
30:00
different but yeah I mean it’s true that
30:01
you’ve learned by you know hh5 you’ve
30:05
learned everything you need to know
30:06
about politics and I think that’s
30:07
especially especially true in like you
30:11
know a redneck community or in a
30:13
southern community where everybody’s got
30:15
that weird uncle or that you know weird
30:17
neighbor that we all know is a lunatic
30:19
but we’re like hey live and let live you
30:21
know right it’s we’ve got a culture of
30:25
let everybody live and do their own
30:27
thing we just we’re starting to give up
30:30
on it we’re you know the South is
30:32
getting involved in tribalism as much as
30:34
anybody else at this point yeah well I
30:37
mean it’s it’s what happens you get
30:39
something shoved down your throat you
30:41
get told that the only way that you can
30:43
fight this is by joining another group
30:46
that’s gonna shove it down their throats
30:48
instead and I mean and I’m not going to
30:50
try to whitewash southern history I mean
30:52
there’s all sorts of you know I’m not
30:54
gonna try to pretend that opposition to
30:57
some ways that southerners are came out
31:00
of the vacuum out of nothing I mean we
31:02
if you look at slavery and segregation
31:04
I’m not trying to whitewash a lot of you
31:06
know southern history but I think the
31:07
average southerner right now just like
31:11
the average person but but especially
31:12
like the average what I would consider a
31:14
redneck like even if they’re a military
31:18
vet even if they have friends in the the
31:20
police even if they think the government
31:22
should be stopped in you know foreigners
31:24
from coming in or whatever at the core
31:26
of everything if you really break down
31:28
what it is they want they want to be
31:31
left the hell alone
31:32
and if you can if you can talk to them
31:35
and say yes we want to leave you the
31:37
hell alone and then get over that gap of
31:40
saying we want to leave everyone the
31:42
hell alone and they’re gonna leave you
31:45
the hell alone and everyone’s gonna
31:46
leave each other the hell alone and then
31:48
if you want to have something to do with
31:49
someone you can voluntarily do it I
31:51
think that that’s a yeah I think that
31:53
that’s a you know that’s I think that’s
31:55
a lot easier to sell that to them than
31:57
to a lot of other people know yeah it’s
31:59
not a hard sell in the South I mean I’ve
32:02
got a lot of that’s all politics as I
32:05
say it all the time it’s a sales game
32:07
we’re just selling our ideas to other
32:08
people right and that’s that’s my
32:10
professional background believe it or
32:12
not I am definitely a redneck but I used
32:14
to be clean-shaven wear a suit and tie
32:16
to work every day and that’s what I did
32:18
was was sell things I never he brought
32:21
it up earlier the the idea that we tell
32:24
people that they’re idiots and and you
32:26
know I’d like were the smartest guy in
32:28
the room we just we’re the middle of the
32:29
room screaming about how smart we are
32:31
yeah I’ve never made a sale about
32:33
telling somebody they’re an idiot or
32:34
that they’re their needs and wants were
32:37
unimportant never have I called somebody
32:39
a cook and they were like oh yeah there
32:41
take my money it don’t like that we’ve
32:44
got to be empathetic you’ve got to find
32:46
some common ground that being said yeah
32:49
here in the South it’s a much easier
32:50
sell than say New York where people
32:54
really appreciate big brother a lot of
32:57
the time yeah Kerry hearing talking to
33:00
Larry sharp I had him on a couple months
33:02
ago now two three months ago now and he
33:04
said like I’m an anarchistic heart I
33:06
live I’m from what does it Brooklyn or
33:08
the Bronx they don’t wanna hear about
33:10
Anarchy they want to hear about schools
33:11
and and roads and the transit system
33:13
like they don’t they’d there’s a
33:15
completely different world if you start
33:17
talking about
33:17
aggression and the nature of the state
33:20
they have zero interest in any of that
33:21
whereas like I think a lot of rednecks
33:23
really they’re like yeah I get that so I
33:25
think they could so speaking of sales
33:28
terrible segue I have to sell something
33:30
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dot FM to get started now Berndt
34:21
speaking a podcast is a much better
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segue speaking of podcast you actually
34:25
had a or have a podcast or an occasional
34:28
podcast called the Antico redneck I
34:30
watched the one the episode where it was
34:34
a you hosted a debate between Joshua
34:37
Smith and Mike Shipley on your podcast
34:40
and you were co-hosted by the always
34:42
dressed to the nines
34:43
Ryan Teeter do you do you plan on doing
34:47
any more of that or is that kind of on
34:49
on ice while you’re while you’re working
34:52
on other stuff or what’s going on with
34:53
with a anarcho redneck so well that was
34:57
um I actually created the anarcho
35:00
redneck page as a joke buddy mine’s a
35:03
garrison started calling me the anarcho
35:05
redneck when I I made a point that I
35:07
don’t use a qualifier I’m just a redneck
35:09
so I mean I’m sorry I’m just I’m just an
35:12
anarchist I I’m not in you know
35:15
anarcho-capitalist or a social or narco
35:19
socialist or whatever I’m just and I you
35:22
know I didn’t think an economic
35:24
qualifier was prudent and so I encourage
35:27
folks to use you know soccer anarcho
35:30
soccer mom or
35:30
whatever you happen to be if we’re using
35:32
qualifiers pick something more fun than
35:34
economics but yeah that was just a
35:38
temporary thing and kind of a joke and
35:40
then somebody said that they really
35:43
wanted to see Mike Shipley and Josh
35:45
Smith have a debate but then nobody
35:47
could work it out and I was like well
35:49
I’m friends with both of these guys I’ve
35:51
been naked and yeah both of them jumped
35:54
on it really quick they were excited to
35:55
do it and that went really well I think
35:57
they were both very aggressively not
36:01
wanting to agree with each other but
36:02
there was a lot that they were able to
36:04
agree on so of course it was I was happy
36:07
about it we may do some more in the
36:08
future actually when I’m doing the
36:09
Liberty loop I plan on kind of with the
36:13
theme of the loop which is education I
36:16
kind of plan on talking to people as I
36:19
go from city to city and and from
36:22
boating community a boating community
36:24
and do interviews with people who are we
36:26
would consider status and right kind of
36:29
pitch them the idea of libertarianism
36:31
and see how they respond to it so very
36:33
cool yeah I like it I like I like the
36:36
brand antico redneck and I like the as
36:39
soon as I saw it I’m like yes boy I
36:42
thought two things yes and wish I had
36:44
thought of it but honestly I again so
36:48
when I’m up here people call me a
36:49
redneck because I’m not like a filthy
36:52
Canadian but um I I what I am is not a
36:57
right i I’m not I’m not I’m not and and
37:01
like so if I’m around nothing but people
37:05
from up north I have a very very slight
37:07
Southern drawl that you don’t hear right
37:08
now because I’m not um but if I were
37:11
around them you can hear but you’d have
37:13
to also not talk and you just hear just
37:16
a slight and and so people up here
37:18
they’ll be like are you from Texas and
37:20
I’m like you wouldn’t understand someone
37:22
from Texas I don’t think because if
37:23
you’re affinity if this is if you’re
37:26
thinking this is tech I’ve nope
37:28
definitely not so but no I I love the
37:31
brand I hope to see more out of that but
37:33
that brings us to we mentioned it
37:35
briefly that brings us to your newest
37:37
and possibly your most ambitious prog
37:39
project the Liberty loop tell us about
37:41
that
37:44
well I don’t know man my wife lets me
37:47
get away with some really ridiculous
37:48
stuff and that’s basically what it is is
37:50
I I come up with incredibly stupid ideas
37:53
and I just throw noodles at the wall and
37:55
see what sticks and one night I was
37:58
weave I’m planning on launching a
38:02
consulting firm to kind of allow me to
38:06
continue to do like the 60-ish hours a
38:08
week I do for the Liberty movement and
38:10
and hopefully eke out a meager living
38:12
right I thought a really cool way to do
38:15
that with a really cool way to do that
38:16
would be to travel around and do
38:17
seminars about selling libertarianism
38:20
and and you know salesmanship in the
38:22
Liberty movement and she was like that’s
38:26
a great idea you should do that and I
38:27
said cool and we weren’t moving onto a
38:29
houseboat and I was like well you know
38:32
we should get on the houseboat and do
38:33
the Great Loop which is the intercostal
38:37
waterway on the East Coast yeah let me
38:38
start while you’re saying that let me
38:40
pull up a picture of the Great Loop for
38:41
reference go ahead okay yeah so we would
38:45
go if you’re looking at North Carolina
38:47
I’m on the southeastern part of North
38:49
Carolina right there where that little
38:53
tip is before you get to South Carolina
38:56
we would take the intercostal waterway
38:58
up the eastern seaboard and into New
39:02
York when we would use the rivers there
39:04
to cross into the Great Lakes travel the
39:07
Great Lakes to the river system in the
39:09
middle of the country into the Illinois
39:11
and head down toward Louisiana into the
39:14
Gulf and back up and around Florida and
39:18
the idea is to stop in different
39:21
affiliates and help affiliates to grow
39:23
and do seminars on selling
39:25
libertarianism and take libertarians out
39:27
into the world and show them how to
39:29
pitch our ideas to other people so they
39:31
can grow their affiliate and grow
39:32
funding and kind of make the movement
39:34
bigger but my wife I was like well if
39:37
we’re moving all the kids onto this
39:39
houseboat what if we just travel the
39:41
loop and do that and she was like that’s
39:43
a great idea just out of nowhere I was
39:45
totally baffled I really did not have
39:48
any intention of doing it I didn’t think
39:49
it was that great an idea really but she
39:52
thought it was cool so the kids latched
39:55
on the idea and a lot of liver
39:56
I thought it was a really cool idea so
39:58
we’re gonna do it we’re actually getting
40:00
I had enough friends on the west coast
40:02
that we’re like we want to have you come
40:05
out of our affiliate and do a seminar or
40:07
speaking event or whatever that the wife
40:09
has agreed to buy a school bus and we’re
40:11
gonna outfit the school bus as a tiny
40:14
home and when we’re not doing the Great
40:16
Loop and traveling in the boat we’re
40:18
gonna be headed out of the West Coast to
40:20
do seminars and speaking events out
40:22
there and I see how I can travel around
40:25
and do this and how long people will put
40:26
up with me and how long it is before she
40:28
threatens me with divorce so hopefully
40:31
that’s a while hopefully you get at
40:33
least a few years of marriage out of
40:34
this because I am so let me take this I
40:36
love all of this like I just I love the
40:40
whole idea and there’s so many different
40:42
parts of it I love first of all I love
40:43
the idea of you traveling around
40:44
spreading liberty and helping local and
40:46
regional affiliates and all that I love
40:48
the idea of both anarchists evangelism
40:51
and redneck evangelism fused together on
40:54
a tiny house and a houseboat go I just
40:58
the whole thing I am in love with a
41:01
frequently so so this was not I was
41:04
gonna this was not your daughter
41:05
storming into your room and telling you
41:06
to do this again this was your idea no I
41:09
actually that was the hardest one to
41:11
convince was the 14 year old everybody
41:13
else thought it was a great idea Emily
41:16
who spurred us into founding the Liberty
41:20
Coalition for disaster relief was the
41:22
one that was least excited about it we
41:24
it really took some convincing and some
41:26
bribery and likely bribery in the near
41:30
future because they continued bribery
41:32
was that like a school thing she was
41:34
gonna miss her friends or just know
41:36
we’ve been homeschooling for a couple of
41:38
years now oh we love it yeah so we’ll
41:41
continue homeschooling and I you know
41:44
she’ll make friends and all parts of the
41:46
country it’ll be it’ll be great for that
41:49
is she’ll pretty she’ll totally be okay
41:50
I got a daughter you’ll totally be fine
41:53
oh yeah yeah she’s gonna love it I mean
41:55
it sounds I’m I’m gonna I can I tag
41:59
along for a little bit yeah we are we
42:02
are encouraging actually it’s it’s safer
42:04
and more fun with a community so people
42:06
keep going hey can I come with you for
42:08
you know this
42:10
yeah yeah this part of your trip in the
42:13
yeah and the answer is absolutely hit me
42:15
up on Facebook and let me know where you
42:17
want to go if you want to tag along for
42:19
the whole trip I mean just make sure you
42:22
got a boat that’s up for it and if you
42:24
don’t do it anyway it’ll still be fun
42:25
but just tow along so if it floats yeah
42:29
okay that is so freaking cool so by the
42:32
way I just need to extend two
42:33
invitations to you one is Matt Wright
42:36
the co-owner of Muddy Waters media he is
42:40
in the Tampa Bay st. Petersburg area so
42:43
he said please be sure to stop by there
42:45
and hit him up and he will he will give
42:48
you the the kings tour of that area and
42:51
I know that there is a their Liberty
42:53
affiliates there as well they actually
42:55
just set a convention there I think in
42:58
Tampa or st. Pete or something anyway
43:00
and then the other event so I will
43:03
actually be on the ass end of your trip
43:05
in Myrtle Beach if you if you can if you
43:10
can bring yourself to visit the dirty
43:12
Myrtle then we’d love to see you here as
43:15
well I keep saying here we’d love to see
43:16
you in Myrtle Beach South Carolina where
43:18
I usually am as well well right on
43:22
definitely yeah we might uh we’ve got a
43:24
lot of friends in South Carolina so we
43:26
may actually head south a few days first
43:30
oh cool cuz why not yeah why not we’ve
43:35
got to we’ll see you guys soon yeah I
43:36
know Sweeney really has a big man crush
43:39
on me and lions and and all those guys
43:41
so give them a little taste before I
43:44
take off up north
43:46
yeah come visit that come visit the low
43:49
country down here that’s really cool so
43:50
um now Brett I started this show with
43:55
the purpose of achieving the following
43:56
goals explaining why government is
43:59
unnecessary and harmful is the first one
44:01
the second one is prefiguration or which
44:04
is basically answering the question of
44:06
yeah but without government how would we
44:07
do the things we need which I I think
44:09
we’ve we’ve covered pretty extensively
44:10
tonight so far the third one is and this
44:15
is probably I guess the Holy Grail or
44:18
the hardest part which is showing
44:20
libertarians how to actually relate
44:24
people and spread the Liberty movement
44:27
which is apparently anathema to many I
44:30
mean many of us just are averse to
44:32
relating to normies and like you know
44:36
making basic human communication with
44:39
them I think a lot of us join this
44:41
movement because we’ve been so spurned
44:43
by it we’ve been so spurned by the rest
44:47
of society that it’s almost like well
44:50
screw them I don’t care what happens to
44:51
them and it’s like yeah but you kind of
44:52
need them because right now we’re in
44:54
this sort of forced Association and of
44:58
course the fourth reason for the show is
44:59
to demonstrate that only I am right at
45:01
all times and I don’t I don’t expect
45:04
anyone’s help in that but to speak on
45:06
the third goal like you mentioned you
45:09
have a background in sales management
45:10
correct
45:11
yeah I was a salesman for a long time
45:14
and and I was actually there’s not a lot
45:18
of things I’m great at sales is it I was
45:21
a sales trainer I was a Salesman I can
45:24
sell anything to anybody anytime
45:25
anywhere that is what I do and that is
45:29
the biggest problem we have in the
45:30
Libertarian Party and the Liberty
45:32
movement is there’s a severe lack of
45:34
salesmanship and there’s there’s very
45:36
little empathy when we’re trying to
45:39
convey our ideas and there’s not really
45:42
a difference between and I mean there is
45:45
some difference but in the in the core
45:47
of what we’re doing there’s not really a
45:48
difference between sales messaging and
45:52
political messaging right like I mean
45:54
there’s it’s the same structure of what
45:56
you’re trying to trying to relate to and
45:59
then and then pass on to the consumer or
46:02
prospect or whatever you want to call
46:04
them the person you’re speaking with
46:05
yeah absolutely yeah so I always tell
46:08
people that there’s no difference I’ve
46:09
never found a difference the idea what
46:13
we’re selling our ideas and the currency
46:16
is you know we sell you the ideas and
46:18
you pay us and votes and donations and
46:21
and volunteer hours and nice that’s all
46:24
politics is it’s what the situation
46:28
we’re in though is that we’ve got Pepsi
46:30
and we’ve got Coke and we’re this little
46:32
startup soda factory right we’ve got to
46:36
get we’ve got to get it out there
46:37
that that arse you know we’ve got better
46:40
flavor and we’ve got better prices and
46:41
it’s we have a really hard time doing
46:44
that because we again seem we tend to be
46:47
that the really intellectual guy in the
46:50
middle of the room talking about how
46:52
smart he is with everybody else you know
46:55
you know really trying to avoid us right
46:59
and then I had Robin that’s her speaker
47:04
and I mind turning your speaker down
47:07
just a little bit turn my speaker down
47:09
yeah just a little bit yeah okay yeah I
47:14
think so yeah it’s okay now um so I had
47:17
Robin Koerner on who does a lot of stuff
47:19
about libertarian messaging and he’s
47:20
working on a new on a new project right
47:22
now um but he talked about the fact that
47:25
libertarians tend to think from a more
47:29
logic base even though we still have
47:31
emotions we still have innate an innate
47:33
sense of things we tend to operate in
47:35
philosophy that’s why you can’t just be
47:37
an anarchist
47:38
you have to be an inner Co blah blah
47:40
blah and then even within that and there
47:42
are different you know factions within
47:44
those groups and it’s it’s because it’s
47:46
philosophy based and that’s a good thing
47:47
because it philosophy is is what what
47:50
ideas are born out of and and if you can
47:53
be philosophically consistent then that
47:56
means you’re building something that’s
47:57
gonna actually work but the problem with
48:00
that is that most people don’t think
48:03
that way and when you come at them with
48:05
this you know very logical a very
48:09
logical not even sales pitch but this
48:13
logical messaging and not just logical
48:16
but brutally logical like saying things
48:18
like you know
48:19
well my rights are more important than
48:21
your children no one is gonna say hey
48:24
you know what that’s a great point your
48:25
rights are more important than my
48:26
children I’m gonna vote for you that’s
48:28
not what you’re gonna get them with you
48:30
you you relate to them on you know this
48:32
is all what’s it called with sales found
48:36
I used to feel felt found I love you
48:40
spike heel fell fell found yes yeah I
48:44
mean it’s you know you gotta find common
48:47
ground and I always talk about common
48:50
ground
48:51
is really important so somebody tells
48:52
you if you you’re talking to somebody
48:55
and they tell you that they’re really
48:56
interested in universal health care the
48:59
libertarian response tends to be your
49:01
health care is not my problem which is a
49:04
terrible response it’s right now the
49:06
conversations over we’re all done
49:08
talking because you’re a jerk that
49:09
doesn’t care about what I need yep but
49:12
you know as a libertarian as an
49:14
anarchist my response to universal
49:16
health care is I’m glad and health
49:19
care’s important to you
49:20
health care is important to me too let’s
49:22
figure out how we can get everybody
49:24
health care in the best possible way and
49:27
let me explain to you why government is
49:30
not the best possible way right you can
49:32
say the messaging thing man you can say
49:35
anything that Arvind Voris says that
49:38
gets a really visceral negative reaction
49:41
I can say he doesn’t say there’s very
49:44
little that we disagree on right and
49:46
that’s the thing exactly yeah it’s just
49:49
the way he says it so you the first part
49:52
of it is knowing how to get your message
49:53
out there and how to say rather than
49:55
police our welfare whore’s murderous
49:58
welfare horse we could say something
50:00
like in the system we live in now police
50:03
are currently are pushed to to
50:08
criminalize victimless crimes right
50:10
I want a society where police are
50:12
expected to do less work to put their
50:15
lives at risk much less often and get
50:17
paid significantly more by the by the
50:20
private market right and that’s a lot
50:22
better than your your murderous welfare
50:24
horse you know it resonates better with
50:27
police who I would prefer be on our side
50:31
when things start to go bad when when
50:34
things start to change instead of we
50:37
changing hearts and minds mean that
50:39
that’s that’s one less gun pointed in my
50:41
face right and I you know I prefer that
50:43
but you brought up feel felt found and
50:45
that’s great it’s a little more advanced
50:48
so when somebody gives you an objection
50:50
to libertarianism in sales we use feel
50:54
felt found I understand how you feel
50:57
many people have felt the same way what
51:00
they have found is and that’s how you
51:02
offer your rebuttal
51:03
you don’t say you’re a moron and here’s
51:06
why your moron you’re still saying
51:08
you’re a moron it’s okay to tell
51:10
somebody they’re an idiot you have to do
51:11
in a very polite way you’re an idiot
51:14
because right very gently and if it
51:18
weren’t for people gently telling me
51:19
what an idiot I was I never would have
51:21
become an anarchist I never would have
51:22
found libertarianism and I wouldn’t be
51:25
working for the party like as much as I
51:27
am so right it’s really important that
51:30
we give up the idea that we are right
51:33
and so we can be jerks about it and
51:35
embrace the idea that we are right and
51:37
we need to gently make everyone else
51:39
right – yeah because it’s not working
51:42
so right I beg most of you I beg all of
51:46
you most of whom have not always I’ve
51:50
met a handful of people are like I’ve
51:52
always been an anarchist and I’m not
51:53
sure I believed them when they said that
51:54
I certainly was not when I get one thing
51:58
that has helped me when I get when I’m
52:01
in these you know internet debates or
52:04
in-person debates and they’re talking to
52:06
me about you know you know they’re fine
52:09
with child separation because these
52:10
illegals are coming and taking our jobs
52:12
and and you know and they’re gonna end
52:15
up on our welfare system and did you
52:17
hear that poor girl out in California I
52:19
got killed by that illegal you know I
52:20
don’t care what happens to their kids I
52:23
try to remember that I was maybe not
52:25
quite that brutally there but I was
52:27
there where I would say well you know I
52:29
think that’s terrible what’s happening
52:30
but we got to keep these illegals out I
52:31
mean it you know there’s danger and
52:33
they’re they’re coming and getting on
52:34
our welfare system and and and for those
52:37
who don’t believe that but they are on
52:39
the side of you know for example you
52:42
know forcing people to you know bake
52:45
cakes for you know for gay weddings or
52:47
forcing people to use gender pronouns
52:50
that they don’t agree with or whatever
52:52
whatever it is your thing your kink of
52:55
what you think the government should be
52:56
forcing people to do at gunpoint you
53:00
don’t believe that anymore but you’ve
53:01
probably used to to some degree so just
53:04
remember talk to this person like you’re
53:06
talking to so I say to myself pretend
53:09
you’re talking to 2013 spike or 2011
53:12
spike and yes what did he want to hear
53:17
that would have made him an anarchist
53:20
then because I never got that what I got
53:22
was people being brutal to me and me
53:23
saying well you hate America and you
53:24
want the Muslims to win and then going
53:26
about my day and you know the terrorists
53:28
are gonna you know they you want the
53:29
terrorists and the Mexicans to come in
53:30
and rape all of us um what it took for
53:32
me was like me really examining my
53:34
beliefs in the in the wake of some of
53:36
these different political events that
53:37
happen like the the shutdown theater and
53:40
all that stuff that happened in 2013 and
53:41
2014
53:42
and I had to examine that myself but it
53:45
did not happen because someone brought
53:46
me into it afterwards I went back to
53:49
people who had said stuff and I’m like
53:50
you’re right but ultimately they didn’t
53:52
bring me into it if someone had talked
53:55
to me in the same way and maybe they
53:59
planted the seeds but it took a lot
54:01
longer because when someone attacks your
54:03
belief system you’re taking it as a
54:06
personal attack and you’re not
54:07
interested in what you have to say if I
54:08
brought you on the show and I’m like
54:09
you’re an anarchist what kind of moron
54:11
are you you know what cat you know
54:13
what’s gonna happen here what do you
54:14
want your kids to get raped by Mad Max
54:17
or you know what if I start saying all
54:19
that stuff how likely are you to listen
54:21
to fur film not to hang up on me but
54:23
even if you if you were in person and
54:25
you don’t attack me or you know you know
54:27
slugged me or whatever how likely are
54:29
you to open yourself up to what I have
54:31
to say right I mean you you’ve got to
54:34
you’ve got to be empathetic about it
54:36
you’ve got to care about what other
54:38
people want and what they need and
54:39
you’re right man I mean you attack
54:41
somebody there the conversation is over
54:44
and a lot of people go well I’m not a
54:47
good salesman well then shut up like
54:49
really if you can if you can’t be a good
54:51
salesman about it if you can’t use just
54:53
a modicum of empathy and salesmanship
54:56
just shut up stop making my job harder
54:58
really this goes out to because I know
55:01
you you’ve got the very brash anarchist
55:04
crowd that watches and I love it
55:05
but I tell all of you now please shut up
55:09
please stop making our jobs harder and
55:12
just be nice to people if your neighbor
55:14
says that they really need their welfare
55:15
they probably really do need their
55:17
welfare and you telling them that
55:18
they’re stealing it out of your pocket
55:20
is not helpful to the cause if your if
55:24
your neighbors a fireman and you tell
55:25
him that he’s a you know he’s sucking at
55:28
the
55:28
the government heat its man it’s not
55:31
productive it’s not helpful you’re not
55:34
changing anybody’s mind and being a
55:37
shock jock is fun on the internet but it
55:40
makes real life harder for people who
55:42
are doing actual work so stop yeah
55:45
pretend they’re the police and shut up
55:47
right yeah if they ask you something to
55:50
say I don’t answer questions and walk
55:52
away that’s the if you don’t want to
55:54
play the game of actually relating to
55:56
people it’s not helping and my I’m a mix
55:59
of the two
56:00
I get the there is a time and place for
56:04
being I don’t have brutal is the right
56:06
word but being a brash yeah no this is
56:11
my belief system and I and I don’t I
56:13
don’t care and I do that a lot of my
56:14
posts on my facebook profile but I do
56:18
them to an audience that either agrees
56:20
with me or knows how I think about stuff
56:22
but like my general messaging to people
56:25
other than the fact that I you can trust
56:27
me as being correct in all things is
56:28
that like because I’ve ascended like I
56:32
there’s no nothing else for me to learn
56:34
I’ve I’ve reached ascension and you can
56:36
just ask me um but but for those of us
56:38
who haven’t ascended we don’t like I
56:43
don’t believe what I believed a year ago
56:46
and I was already an anarchists so how
56:48
hot II can I be pre ascension how
56:51
haughty can i be in my beliefs in in in
56:54
saying oh you believe that well you’re a
56:56
schmuck
56:56
like you know talk to the / you might
56:59
learn something from them yes you’ll
57:02
probably still be an anarchist cuz we’re
57:03
right but you might figure out at the
57:05
very least you might figure out they’re
57:07
not there wanting to use government
57:11
schools or welfare or socialized health
57:15
care or the you know cradle to grave
57:18
military benefits or you know have their
57:21
son be a cop is probably from very
57:24
relatable reasons that you can relate to
57:26
you just don’t agree with the action
57:28
that they’re taking and you’re a chance
57:30
to stop that is to actually relate to
57:33
them as though you and they are both
57:35
human beings just bear with me that
57:37
they’re you’re both humans who can
57:40
communicate and
57:42
if not agree on things at least come to
57:46
an understanding that you both want the
57:48
same thing because that’s gonna open
57:50
them up if not to what you have to say
57:52
then – at least someone maybe a Brent or
57:54
a me or some other anarchists or some
57:57
other libertarian or maybe even just
57:59
some other mineral ong to be we’re not
58:06
going to be receptive we are not
58:07
receptive to messages from people who
58:10
deny our most our most basic needs as
58:14
being you know terrible things that we
58:16
should be ashamed of wanting and so
58:18
maybe just maybe just think of that
58:21
did I miss anything no no not at all I
58:25
didn’t want to say you brought up you
58:27
brought up people who want want children
58:32
stripped from their families at the
58:33
border we actually had two weeks ago at
58:36
a New Hanover County Meetup we had an
58:38
actual self-proclaimed Nazi come in and
58:41
told us all he was a Nazi and he was
58:43
very excited to be there and it was just
58:45
a few minutes into it I got him to admit
58:47
I was like you’re here to get punched in
58:48
the face like that’s what you’re yeah
58:50
you want you want somebody to hit you
58:53
and I was like I’m the reason nobody’s
58:55
gonna hit you man we’re gonna have a
58:56
conversation then he was saying a lot of
58:59
people say those things out of tribalism
59:03
and because they’re they’re using heard
59:05
speak and oh yeah when you confront that
59:09
idea most people don’t really mean it so
59:11
he was saying things like if you don’t
59:14
produce for the state you should be
59:15
euthanized and just ridiculous stuff and
59:18
I was like I don’t believe you yeah I
59:21
don’t yeah I don’t think you’re a
59:24
murderous person I don’t think you’re
59:26
that venomous I think you’re after a
59:28
little bit of attention and you’re
59:30
probably a really good hearted dude that
59:31
doesn’t want to do that to anybody and
59:33
the guy like fell apart right there he
59:36
is this whole thing was just broken down
59:38
and he was like for the rest of the time
59:40
he sat there he was really interested in
59:42
our ideas and was just kind of soaking
59:44
up what was going on and let me know
59:46
that was being confronted with a Nazi in
59:49
a room that by the way that had two Jews
59:53
is sitting there talking to this not
59:56
see guy just kind of explaining to him
59:59
why his ideas aren’t as good as ours and
60:01
maybe you know maybe you look at it this
60:04
way and here’s a different perspective
60:05
and he actually left the meeting and
60:07
leans in and goes you know a lot of your
60:09
ideas are pretty solid and they’re
60:11
better than mine and I’ll be back
60:13
so yeah just a minimal amount of good
60:16
messaging a modicum of salesmanship can
60:19
really turn folks around and we convert
60:21
you know communists to anarchists and
60:24
libertarians on a regular basis here so
60:27
that’s that’s awesome if you can relate
60:31
to a Nazi or or relate to not Nazism but
60:37
relate to that person who is claiming to
60:39
be a Nazi yeah careful I’m I’m already
60:41
wearing the redneck moniker it does not
60:43
take people long to jump from there to
60:45
Nazi no no and that’s and that’s the
60:47
thing that’s that’s why I was being
60:48
clear on that like if but if you can
60:50
relate to a human being who comes in
60:53
going yeah you should be euthanized
60:54
because you’re not helping the state or
60:55
whatever crap that like you said and I
60:57
would have said like I don’t believe you
60:59
you’re here in front of us so I don’t
61:01
believe you because why are you here
61:02
you’re here and I think you nailed it he
61:04
wanted to get punch so he could be the
61:06
next internet Nazi that got punched and
61:07
you know get whatever attention liked or
61:09
would at whatever negative it he came
61:11
for negative attention and instead he
61:14
had people say no we get it
61:15
you’re lonely like we can be friends and
61:18
talk about this because you don’t that’s
61:20
garbage you don’t believe that garbage
61:21
um if you can do that with a Nazi then
61:26
you can do it with a Democrat or a
61:27
Republican most of whom are just kind of
61:31
moderate you know they may not like they
61:34
don’t like Donald Trump or they don’t
61:36
like Alexandria occasional Cortes or
61:38
what but like they’re not these like
61:39
caricatures of Democrats and replace our
61:42
but most of them are not they’re just
61:44
like they are just worried about if the
61:49
roads are gonna get fixed like we joke
61:51
about the roads but they are worried
61:53
about the roads they need to get to work
61:55
and their tax concern it is something
61:58
that they should care about if they
62:00
don’t worry about what happens to the
62:02
roads then they’re idiots why would you
62:05
not empathize with that and say hey
62:08
roads exist
62:09
before government and here’s how we’ll
62:11
do it tomorrow you know it’s it’s pretty
62:14
simple stuff yeah me just useful
62:16
offended by the question what about the
62:18
roads and we think it’s so funny
62:20
I mean it’s legit what I want to be able
62:23
to get to work I need to be able to get
62:24
the food lyin
62:25
how am I gonna buy my industrial-sized
62:27
tub of mayonnaise if I can’t get to
62:29
Costco yeah it’s important that’s a
62:32
personal attack against me I I don’t I
62:34
don’t like mayonnaise but I do like
62:36
buying buying giant tubs of things from
62:38
Costco most of mostly smoked meats and
62:41
fish and and sauerkraut because I am
62:44
Jewish um but ya know I mean right so
62:48
when I hear the things I most commonly
62:49
hear with mine or me social circle and
62:52
and and friends and my wife or our
62:56
because my wife is not an anarchist she
62:58
is a Canadian yeah yeah um it all washes
63:04
out what’s that she’s real pretty it’s a
63:08
wife he’s gorgeous her politics are
63:10
gorgeous um but um but when they’ll ask
63:14
you know here are the things that you’re
63:16
often what about roads how do we not end
63:18
up like Somalia how do we you know what
63:21
about my kids in the education who’s
63:23
gonna keep us safe from China the
63:26
terrorists name your thing who’s gonna
63:28
keep us safe from people coming to take
63:30
my job who is gonna and we laugh about
63:32
this because it’s something we hear all
63:34
the time but these are all legitimate
63:35
things no one wants this place to become
63:37
like Somalia that is a legit if what
63:41
you’ve related to your whole life if
63:42
what you’ve heard of when you think of
63:43
anarchy is Somalia Mad Max and people
63:47
with you know balaclavas on throwing
63:49
Molotov cocktails at cops trying to help
63:52
people across the street and you know
63:55
try to keep traffic going those are
63:57
legitimate concerns you’re coming at
63:59
these people and saying I’m an anarchist
64:01
what would that have sounded like to you
64:03
five years ago ten years ago whenever
64:06
you were not an anarchist and had not
64:08
really been exposed to it what on earth
64:09
would that have sounded like to you oh
64:11
yeah it’s nuts I would have thought you
64:14
were a lunatic and if you had only said
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I’m an anarchist and you’re an idiot
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because you’re not that’s as far as I
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would have gotten out
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well that guy’s dumb and I should
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probably avoid him in the future and out
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a minute that would be in the last
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conversation if you can’t have a
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conversation beyond that and and discuss
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people’s concerns and their wants and
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their needs if you’re not doing anything
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productive for the movement you know
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you’re just you’re sucking up air yeah
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no I I I agree I agree and and and it
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bares itself out with arguments within
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libertarians like you see
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anarcho-capitalists argue with a narco
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communist and I used to do it too
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because i lean more towards being a what
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I guess an anarcho-capitalist or
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whatever I’m definitely a believer in
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inner in private ownership and markets
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um but interestingly enough when I talk
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to a narco communist and I realized that
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there wasn’t as much daylight between
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what we thought as I thought that it was
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like they also believed in markets they
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just basically think they think that
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without the state it will manifest
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itself a lot differently than I do and
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ultimately at this point we both agree
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in the idea of property we both agree
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with the idea of some level of self
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ownership or ownership of things we both
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believe in getting rid of coercive
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entities so that we can have voluntary
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structures of society and and economics
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and so forth so then why bother arguing
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about it now if we’re both agreed that
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this is this ain’t it chief like this is
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not what it’s gonna look like we all
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agree with that we all agree that we
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want something that looks radically
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different from this and we all agree
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that neither real communism nor real
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capitalism haven’t really been allowed
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by the state then what are we arguing
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about why not focus on getting rid of
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those impediments and then once there’s
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no more coercive entity we can see how
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it plays out maybe it’ll be communism
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maybe it’ll be capitalism maybe it’ll be
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something in between maybe it’ll be
66:15
something that we don’t even really can
66:17
figure out right now because it’s we’re
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so imposed upon by the state
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why are you about that now yeah we’re
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more likely you know maybe it’ll be a
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bunch of small communities deciding the
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best economic system for themselves of
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course and not using violence and I
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really feel like this that’s it man just
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let’s remove the initiation of four
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and then worry about how everything
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plays out right and I mean as far as
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we’re concerned you know let’s answer
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questions for foreign armies you know as
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much as we can of course yeah yeah yeah
66:47
but yeah let’s answer questions for them
66:50
but in our own community yeah it’s
66:52
ridiculous that we we fight and argue
66:54
over economic systems or or you know a
66:58
platform plank or whatever I mean we
67:01
agree on 90% of the stuff why are we
67:04
arguing about the 10% we don’t agree on
67:06
it’s for a group of utterly illogical
67:09
folks that’s kind of dumb well and it’s
67:12
something that that a small part that we
67:15
don’t agree on and that there’s nothing
67:16
like neither one of us can prove it
67:18
because the state exists we neither one
67:20
of us can prove that we’re right it’s
67:22
largely irrelevant right now because the
67:25
state exists it would be like two people
67:27
in prison arguing over once they break
67:29
out or once they get let out are they
67:32
gonna start a fishing you know uh you
67:35
know a fish a bait shop or are they
67:36
gonna start up you know sub shop or you
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know whatever like and they like really
67:42
get mad and argue over it’s like what
67:43
the hell cares get out of prison and
67:44
then then then you can do whatever the
67:46
hell you want maybe you do that and I do
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that and I agree with you I don’t think
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there’s gonna be a global in any kind of
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voluntary system you’re not gonna have
67:54
some global system you’re gonna have
67:56
it’s gonna look completely different in
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a rural area rural area in the south
68:01
like where you are or in a resort town
68:03
like Myrtle Beach or in a major
68:05
metropolitan area like in New York if if
68:07
if a major metropolitan area can even be
68:09
supported without you know a status
68:11
system those things are going to look
68:13
different based on their needs and wants
68:15
of the people there so I know I agree
68:17
with you 100% um yeah so Brent it has
68:22
been an absolute pleasure having you
68:24
want III you’re someone that I have when
68:26
when I would have had you on months ago
68:29
except my back went out and I had to
68:31
take a break from the show for two
68:32
months so you were like literally the I
68:34
think what second second person that’s
68:36
been on since I started again so I’m
68:38
super thrilled to have you on I really
68:40
appreciate your time before before we
68:44
wrap things up I just want to give you a
68:46
chance to give any final thoughts you
68:48
want to give anything you think we
68:49
didn’t get a chance to
68:50
discuss anything you want to plug you
68:53
have absolutely as much time as you want
68:55
Brenda Ritter the floor is yours all
68:58
right well yeah so I would ask all of
69:02
your listeners to do exactly what you
69:04
said earlier and and point someone in
69:07
the direction of a salesman of Liberty
69:09
if you if you are not one yourself find
69:13
me on Facebook send me your friends and
69:15
family that’s what I do for you know a
69:18
fair amount of my week is is convert
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status so hit one of us up send them to
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spikes enemy send them to Shane Sweeney
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one of these genius redneck salesman’s
69:30
salesman of Liberty if you are
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interested in the Liberty loop please
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join the group it’s it’s to assist with
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graphics and marketing and things like
69:39
that and kind of help me figure out how
69:41
to make it all the way without sinking
69:43
my boat so hit me up if you’re in any of
69:47
my projects always glad to have
69:49
volunteers yeah absolutely and we have
69:51
all of that in the show notes and we’ll
69:53
have that on the website as well so
69:56
definitely that’s very we will
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definitely do us a Brent again thank you
70:00
thank you for coming on again I really
70:02
appreciate it it’s awesome this was a
70:04
really easy interview man you’re if
70:06
you’re super easy to talk to so I’m
70:10
super glad to be on finally that’s
70:12
alright that’s great yeah I appreciate
70:13
it I am NOT like I’m not here for I told
70:15
you I’m gonna forgot your questions at
70:17
least not for you but probably someone
70:18
else I’ll bring on and play nail on but
70:20
I for the most part I like to like have
70:21
very cool fun conversational thing but
70:24
yeah thank you again stick around for a
70:26
minute I want to talk to you during the
70:28
outro if you don’t mind
70:30
but guys thank you again for turning
70:31
into my fellow Americans be sure to tune
70:35
in tomorrow night for the writer’s block
70:38
with Matt right Matt right we’ll be
70:40
interviewing I am dammit I so he will
70:43
tell me who his next guest is and I will
70:47
commit it to memory and I will say yes
70:49
dad is Matt’s next guest do not forget
70:53
that this is Matt’s next guest I don’t
70:54
know who matt’s next guest this group he
70:56
told me just to knit you you won’t
70:59
believe who it is let me put it that way
71:00
you will be just as shocked as me when
71:02
when you find out I know
71:04
now he’s thinking like how do you he’s
71:06
probably told me four or five times
71:07
no idea not a clue whose guest is but
71:10
it’s gonna be amazing
71:11
I had it for a second nope so that’s not
71:14
just tuned in just tune in tomorrow
71:16
night writer’s block and then Friday
71:19
Friday night shabbat shalom it’s Jason
71:22
Lyon with his with his I don’t know why
71:26
I tie him in with the Sabbath he’s as
71:27
Gentile as it gets but he will be on
71:29
during the Sabbath for whatever that
71:31
counts for his Friday night airing of
71:34
mr. America the bearded truth be sure to
71:36
check him out and then have a great
71:39
weekend come back next week on Monday
71:41
for the mundane on Shabbat episode of
71:45
mr. America the bearded truth and then
71:47
tune in next Tuesday for the for the
71:52
next episode of the muddy waters of
71:54
freedom with me and Matt right where we
71:56
will be parsing through the week’s
71:59
events as they happened and then come
72:03
back next Wednesday from my fellow
72:06
Americans if it makes Matt feel better I
72:09
don’t remember who my guest is next week
72:11
Renzo Martinez is my guest next week
72:14
Renzo Martinez will be talking about his
72:16
new book politics and other forms of
72:20
devil-worship that’s not the full title
72:23
but it’s pretty close but we’ll be
72:25
talking about that so guys thanks again
72:27
for tuning in we will see you all this
72:29
week thanks again and god bless you
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