(((My Fellow Americans))) #128: Christopher Dreisbach

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addiction recovery inc which is a multi-site drug and alcohol treatment provider in pennsylvania he’s the
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co-founder of second chance pa a pre-arrest diversionary program offering individuals opportunities for
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treatment instead of incarceration in addition to that he has
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been involved in starting or investing in about a dozen other companies uh and
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he is also like myself in long-term uh recovery from addiction and uh i cannot wait to have this conversation with him
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the work he’s doing is incredible ladies and gentlemen my fellow americans please welcome to the show mr chris dry spot
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chris thanks so much for coming on man thanks for having me spiker really really looking forward to this chat too
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yeah no this is gonna be awesome man and folks be sure to uh ask us your thoughts and questions and chris and i will tell
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you if you are right or wrong now chris uh first of all uh we need to do a
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special shout out don’t we uh you are a libertarian uh and you were telling us
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uh that your uh mother and father for the first time uh voted libertarian in this uh in the i guess the 2020 election
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tell us tell us about that well uh you know for for the longest time they’ve had to listen to me talk
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about libertarianism uh you know for the longest time i’m not sure if they listened uh if they
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are listening right now maybe they can comment on that but uh you know finally i think they got
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tired of uh trash choices being thrown out and yeah
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finally they jumped ship and came over and realized that the the right choice is the only two sane
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into voting libertarian i i i would have loved to do a study on
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how many people became libertarians because they just couldn’t take being annoyed by it anymore they’re like okay
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fine and then once they’re here they’re like okay no i’m definitely a libertarian but it took someone like you’re a libertarian over and over it’s
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like okay fine fine just shut up about it anyway what what is your what are your parents names
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again mary and ken mary and ken shout out to the two of you thank you for joining the movement we
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will try to tone it down on the annoyance from moving forward uh but thank you again uh
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but uh chris this is your first time on the show and uh whenever i have someone on for the first time hopefully the
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first of many uh i always open by asking uh you to tell basically your genesis
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story everyone has a reason for why they are pursuing what they are pursuing in life and trying to find fulfillment in
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and uh you know sometimes it’s an aha moment sometimes it’s something that’s happened over time uh but everyone has
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their genesis story tell us the chris dreisbach story well that’s a that’s a long tail but
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i think to sum it up uh pretty quickly i you know grew up in allentown
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pennsylvania the area of lehigh valley and you know i had literally everything
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i needed i had you know my mom and dad are still together as we just discussed you know i grew up in a great suburban
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area there’s really very few reasons for a kid like me to turn out the way that i did
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and the way that i did was i you know got involved in drinking and i got you know found marijuana the very
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dangerous marijuana and um that was a joke please please note the dangerous thing
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um you know and then i kind of moved into pharmaceuticals and psychedelics and i found cocaine and then i found heroin
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and heroin kind of took me to a whole different level in a whole different world you know from being a
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good suburban kid you know growing up the right way and doing everything i was supposed to do
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all the way into you know frequent incarceration frequent trips to
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treatment centers frequent trips to psych wards frequent trips to different doctors to try and figure out what’s
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going on just trips to everywhere we’re trying to encounter anybody that could help me
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figure out what was going on with me and that
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you know that was that was a lot of difficulty and a lot of pain and a lot
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of suffering kind of goes along with that and not just suffering for me suffering for my parents my brothers my
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community everybody around me suffered because of my medical problem you know having substance use disorder
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literally tore our entire family’s lives apart and it’s something that thankfully
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now several years later we know the answer to we know how to treat it and that is why i’m so passionate about
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assisting other people finding treatment and getting help that’s incredible that you’re doing that
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man like i said i mean i i am someone who and we talked about the first time we spoke on the phone um it’s truly one of
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those you know there but for the grace of god things i i i could have ended up in prison and
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going through the criminal justice system and unfortunately for me i i just i never did i was that one of those
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lucky people that just never never got caught at the wrong time and and you know and as a result of that i was able
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to get help but not having to you know deal with the the after effects of that now i know unfortunately that wasn’t
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your situation you actually did have some run-ins uh with the criminal justice system that have led you to want
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to come up with a better alternative why don’t we talk why don’t you talk about that a little bit and we can get into what you’re doing to make sure your
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story never has to be anyone else’s story sure so uh
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2016 you know i should probably probably back up a little bit uh you know i finally
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after three trips to jail uh several trips to treatment centers that were lackluster at best um i finally landed
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in lancaster pennsylvania where i still live and i was given at least enough therapy to at
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least allow me to begin my life over again and
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if you if you think about it for a second here when i got to lancaster i was a 20 year
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old kid i was 20 years old in 2007 and
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you know when i got here to lancaster i had 20 plus thousand dollars in court cost fees fines babysitting fees
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you know all the way down to my parole officer’s red bull from when he came to pick me up for court the one time that
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was on my court cost thing and you know i got here to lancaster i was 20 years old i had
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felonies uh several misdemeanors a bunch of summaries just an ugly ugly record
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with 21 000 plus the court cost fees and fines and
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you know anytime you ask an average person to dig out of a hole like that it’s not
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going to be simple it’s going to be extremely difficult if not impossible for most people and that’s how it felt
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to me it looked impossible when i was looking at the future of my life i felt like i was on this vicious cycle where i
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was going to go to jail and i was going to get out i was going to go back to jail and i was going to fail and i was going to get out and i was going to fail over and over and over at infinite until
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the end of time and at 20 years old that’s all i saw on the horizon and that is one of the saddest things to
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think about that a person at 20 years old is you know should be at the beginning of
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their life and doing all those things that people get to do like go to college and develop relationships with people
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and work and do those things i didn’t really have that
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so 20 000 in debt and i know it’s on the scale of
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things minuscule but it’s truly insult to injury they charged you for the red bull
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yeah yeah a couple of them actually but it was pretty funny which is yeah i mean again it’s i mean
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on the ski it’s like okay you know 20 000 plus seven bucks for all the red bulls or whatever but but just the fact
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that it’s like no actually you’re paying for every single aspect of this and it’s like you said
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if you went up to almost anyone in this country right now and said imagine if tomorrow you owed 20 grand in addition
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to whatever else you got going on you just 20 grand you got to pay it and uh and you’re gonna you’re gonna have
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problems if you don’t pay that if you’re not paying that in the structured way that they’ve told you to pay it oh boy
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are the problems you’re gonna have uh forget foreclosure you’re gonna be back in yeah yeah you just go back to jail so
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not anymore thankfully they’ve changed that at least around here a few years ago
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uh but when it was happening to me the penalty for not being able to pay was you go back to jail the penalty for not
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having a job is you go to jail the penalty for all the things that you have to do is you go back to jail but the
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great dilemma is having come out of jail i can’t get a job to this day i’m still
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not qualified to work at mcdonald’s because of my criminal record right i am the ceo of a licensed medical
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facility i’m also a you know licensed real estate agent all these other things but i’m not
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qualified to work at mcdonald’s and there’s just something
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so intrinsically wrong with anything like that that it just infuriates me not because
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of me i’ve been able to do a whole lot for myself but it infuriates me for the people who aren’t able to do that the
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people who are just just stuck in that hole and
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lose my mind that we can’t forgive we can’t forgive and forget we can’t let people move on with their lives when
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they’ve paid their fines they’ve paid their fees i paid my time i did all the things that i was supposed to do but i’m saddled
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for the remainder of my days that’s a dangerous a dangerous dangerous criminal and the
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thing is for the dangerous crime of putting something in your own body uh that what’s and what’s incredible about
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that is i mean thankfully you have a mind towards you know business success
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you have an entrepreneurial mindset which is not common you have a very supportive family that i’m sure has been
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very helpful along the way a lot of people that are in addiction don’t have those things they don’t have
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that you know get up and go and it’s not even get up and go they don’t have a mindset towards building and and growing
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successful businesses most people don’t which is fine but if they can’t work for someone else and they don’t have that
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mindset for starting their own business they’re pretty much screwed especially when they’re often not allowed to leave
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the state they’re not allowed to get certain licenses for you know doing a trade like there’s it they really are
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limited in their options and they often either don’t have a supportive family or even if their family is supportive you
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know they’re also mired in poverty or criminal justice problems and things like that and it just becomes this vicious cycle and then we’re shocked
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that the recidivism rate is in the 80 and 90 percentile range for most crimes especially drug-related crimes now um so
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you were saying you know fast forward to 2016 and and i think that’s where we left off
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yeah well fast forward to 2016 we uh we opened blueprints for addiction recovery which is as you’ve said a multi-site
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drug and alcohol treatment center here in pennsylvania and it was probably
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two years later in 2018 when we were in elizabethtown pennsylvania and we got a new police
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chief and what usually will happen when you have a drug and alcohol rehab in a town you have to go meet the police
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chief and say hey how are you you know just sorry we’ve got a bunch of people
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recovering from substance use disorder here in your town there may be some problems occasionally whatever you know
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and we were expecting to sit down for a 5-10 minute you know quick chat
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and it turned into a two and a half hour conversation about what we can do to
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work together to help people in the community and i did not expect that in any way
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shape or form because for the most most of my youth
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i looked at the police as my mortal enemy i hated them because every time i encountered those guys i got put into a
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cage and i could not stand there’s so much stigma between the police and people in the substance use community oh
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yeah that’s really unnecessary because what i’ve found at least here in lancaster county
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pennsylvania our police are really forward thinking helpers i mean we have encountered
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hundreds and hundreds of officers that are willing to do anything they can for the people in our area
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and they latched on to this program within seconds of hearing about it i
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mean it was unbelievable when we were sitting down with chief cunningham and he was talking about what he wanted to
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do and what we wanted to do it really meshed perfectly so we sat down and within a couple weeks we had developed
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this program second chance pa where we would supply certified recovery
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specialists who are individuals who have been in recovery for at least 18 months and then go through a certification
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process to learn a little bit more about how to identify with people de-escalate situations
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and those crss would be supplied to law enforcement to the community 24 hours a
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day seven days a week to respond any time a citizen is in crisis
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so anytime they encounter somebody who has substance use disorder anytime they run into somebody who needs help they
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have the opportunity to waive charges and get them into treatment now
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thankfully we have a very forward-thinking district attorney here in lancaster county as well apparently so
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who’s willing to waive those charges and allow the officers that discretion to be able to say this person needs help not
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jail that is incredible i mean i it’s it’s awesome it’s wonderful that they’re
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doing that it’s also i mean there are a lot of peo a lot of police departments a lot of da’s their entire system their
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entire careers are built on criminalizing addiction uh uh empowering drug cartels and then
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you know bilking them for revenue like you know that’s how they get their their new cars that’s how they get their their
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their you know their systems funded is through basically skimming off the drug war and criminalizing a bunch of people
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that get caught in the crossfire of that of that drug trade uh mostly addicts that are you know trying to trying to
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you know support their addiction um so it’s great that they’re realizing this isn’t just a
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thing you can skim off of this is a problem that is destroying communities and it needs to
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be needs to be addressed differently now let’s let’s walk through this so um tell me how this works so let’s say
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hypothetically i am in lancaster and i am uh i i’m i’m a drug addict and or i
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should say i’m no longer in recovery i’ve fallen off the wagon i uh i am uh
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you know either overdosing or i get caught with a substantial amount or a personal use amount or whatever
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we know how that usually goes how does that go under the program that that you’ve created second chance pa uh with
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these with these police departments and da’s i’ll tell you one of the stories from
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probably 2019 uh we had an individual who was in a place called west lampeter township
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which is a nice little suburban township here in lancaster and that individual was driving his pickup truck back to his
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farm because we have a lot of farms out here uh and he had gotten pulled over for
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something probably speeding who knows and it was found that he had seven and a half or some grams of methamphetamine on
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him and a shotgun in the back of his truck because you know a lot of people have shotguns
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of course yeah you know for hunting purposes probably yeah no of
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course you’re hunting it’s on a farm i’m a felon i have no idea i’m not allowed to have a gun think about a gun
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be near a gun uh i’m probably going to jail it’s a gun a gun you’re saying i don’t even know
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what that is yes so when you talk about the second amendment uh that doesn’t it doesn’t count for us felons we’re not allowed
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i’ve never heard of that either so but uh this guy
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i won’t drop his name but great guy uh he was struggling pretty bad you know he
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was not doing well and the officer that night knew it that he they knew they knew he wasn’t doing okay and they
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called us out and they said hey let’s get this guy some help and our crs went on steam down in the
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cornfields wherever the heck it was in west lampeter township and they met with the individual and the officer and the
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officer worked with the crs to get that person into treatment that night and i
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can tell you uh two and a half three years later he’s still doing extremely well uh still
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sober living a perfect life and you know he loves the west lamb peter township
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police because they could have put him away look at him put him in the cage and said
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look you’re just a criminal you’re a loser you’re a bum yeah you know what they said they said no i see you as a
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person and i believe that you have a chance to get better let’s do it together
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and then the police and the crs will then work together the crs keeps the police
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informed of how they’re doing in treatment so on and so forth and yeah
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because there’s nothing more powerful when a police officer sends a message through to a person in treatment and says i believe in you you’re doing a
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great job you know like there’s that’s stuff that doesn’t get to happen very often that stuff does not get
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opened for me and you know that family has now been restored that family has their their son
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back and you know i that is just one of hundreds of cases
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that i can tell you about and there’s nothing cooler nothing cooler
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than to be a part of something like that watching a transformation and i know you know it’s like because you’ve had a transformation yourself yeah and there’s
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nothing nothing greater than watching that especially when you contrast it with how that would
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have ended otherwise let’s take a step back he’s in a car he’s in a truck with meth
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and a gun usually that turns into look at this i mean you’ve seen the facebook post look
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at this dangerous criminal mastermind with his giant bag
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of meth we found and they put it on a table and the dog is next to it and it’s like this whole and this gun you know
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they make it sound like this guy was a kingpin terrorist and everyone and then all the people good job please uh thanks
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for protecting me from a drug addict who had a gun a shotgun for personal protection and and so and so they create
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and of course this person’s life is ruined uh certainly whatever led them to using meth probably means they’re not
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well positioned to try to climb out of the hole they just ended up in uh
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prison criminal record uh you know pro not having their addiction dealt with or
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addressed so they’re probably still on whatever they were addicted to and instead on the scene
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a specialist in dealing with people that are in that are are in addiction
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shows up to talk to him and but so real just taking a step back how does that go like okay so the crs
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shows up what what kind of conversation is had there this is fascinating
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that’s a that’s a different conversation in every case
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so many different ones but you know something like that probably would have been uh you know hey man uh
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you’re standing here arrested effectively uh this is probably not going very well for you you know you
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want to do something a little bit different and a lot of times you know people will
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see the dire situation that they’re in and be able to understand at least enough to say yes and at least enough to
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let us do something for them and give it a shot and you know that shot and that opportunity is all somebody needs
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because that’s all i got in 2007 was an opportunity and i took advantage of it what i want to do is give that
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opportunity to as many humans as possible that is incredible so so they they get a
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person on the scene who basically talks about their options here which i mean you want to talk about having a position
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negotiating from a position of strength you’re sitting there going listen we can give this goal one of two ways you can have your life ruined uh or we can we
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can help you and you can actually because your life was already getting ruined before you even got here let’s face it and now here’s an opportunity
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for you to to restore it and then and then so you the the your program uh
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blueprints works with this person helps them to get the the the care they need counsels them through it helps them
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through their their rehab and everything else stays in touch with the officers who often in turn stay in touch with the
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person in recovery to let them know that they’re doing the right thing and what a great job and i believe in that’s i mean
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i i i almost shed a tear on that that’s absolutely beautiful and and then they they come out of it
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and they are so just to be clear they have no criminal record from this and
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have the opportunity to essentially walk away from this not just unscathed by the
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criminal justice system but actually made whole and no longer an addiction
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correct correct and that’s the end goal is for them to resume a vital place in the life of their families and community
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and you know however we get to that point is however we get there for everybody it’s different as you know
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substance use disorder and addiction is a very personalized individualized thing and you know what works for you might
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not work perfectly for me what works for me might not work for the next guy and that’s why it has to be treated as an
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individualized thing instead of a blanket tossed over a problem like it has been since the dawn of time
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basically and you know the uh i think another the first the first case
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that we had we actually were set to launch on january 1 2019
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and the first case that we had came about two weeks earlier we had just done a training with the two two police
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departments that we started with and in the training we go over the brain science of addiction which is something
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that almost zero police officers have heard about uh we talk about the continuum of care and what it takes to
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get somebody from hopelessly addicted to living a life of purpose and then we talk a little bit about my life and kind of how that
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you know relates to that brain science and relates to that continuum of care and
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what happened was a that night later that night we did the training at 4 am and 4 pm because that
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was their shifts and later that night 2 am the next morning i guess you would say
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one of the officers a sergeant who was pretty close to retirement probably the last guy i thought would ever make a
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call to us he encountered a woman who was passed out behind a dumpster at kmart
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and she was drunk she was drunk and i guess when he shined the flashlight in her eyes
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she woke up and swung at him you know because when you’re drunk and passed out you don’t know what’s going
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on yeah yeah you don’t know what’s going on you have no idea what’s going on yeah
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you had the foresight to think oh my gosh maybe i can get this lady some help and
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he called me on my cell phone because we didn’t have a phone number set up yet uh he called me on my cell phone you
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know two in the morning and i grabbed a crs and we whipped up and met this lady and the crs got her into treatment that
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night it further turned out that she was a registered nurse and had she gotten charged with this you
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know crime of swinging at the officer and being drunk in public she would have lost her license she lost
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her job she would have been you know god knows what would have happened to that poor woman but right now she is almost four years sober
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probably a great nurse you know she’s probably doing way better at all of those things all because that one
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officer had the foresight to say this is a human and i need to treat this human as a
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human and get her help so i’m i’m not going to lie
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i’m amazed by the by how this is i shouldn’t say i’m amazed
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i’m happy about the success of your program and how it’s getting
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people out instead of having them you know criminalized just the opposite it gets them back on their feet you know we
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often don’t talk about we talk about the cost of the war on drugs but we don’t talk about the opportunity costs now
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we’re libertarians right we know austrian economic the opportunity cost of all these people
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who could have been productive and and and and contributing members of society
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and instead run up a bunch of costs in the in the criminal justice system you lose their
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all of the money that they would have made their ability to support their family is gone the ability to support themselves are gone uh you know they
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often end up because of being criminalized and being traumatized through the prison system they end up themselves becoming violent
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like we don’t often talk about the opportunity cost that all is amazing what further amazes me and probably
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amazes me even more is that so far you’ve told me a story about officers that encountered someone with meth and a
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gun and then another officer who got swung at
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and in both cases these officers responded i think this person needs help
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now is that as what do you do you attribute that to that’s just how the police are in your
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area or do you think that the work you’ve done with them has helped to humanize addicts too that like what do
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you attribute that to because that seems insane that’s that’s what’s impressing me the most right now
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i think both i think both i think most probably not all but most police become
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police to be helpers they become police i agree to serve you know and and not everybody because
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i’m sure there are some terrible ones but i think at a base level you know even if we’re all grown up as kids you
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know being a cop looks like a cool job because you get to you know do stuff and
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help people and you know whatever it is yeah i think that that is there in most
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police somewhere even if they’re jaded even if they’ve been on the job forever you know they’re that’s still there
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somewhere and i think the training that we provide gives it definitely a human feel because you can
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see that i have been successful in my life and i am clearly standing in front of them not struggling hurting you know
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dying anything like that but my history has shown with multiple arrests multiple
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you know horrendous detoxes in jail multiple you know burglaries rob things that i’ve never have done never would
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have done in my right mind they can see that there is recovery recovery is real and there is real hope
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so i do think that that plus the training and learning about the brain science of addiction and understanding
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that it’s it’s not a moral failing it’s not a will power lacking it’s not a anything like that
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all the stuff that society and nancy reagan have told us it is you know it’s
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it’s not that so i do think that both of those things contribute to those officers being able
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to act like that so you’re not just restoring the lives of those in addiction
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and the work you’re doing isn’t just doing that you’re restoring
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you’re restoring a lot of officers purpose and understanding of at least when it comes to
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addicts how that the that recalling that these are
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people and also that they’re not an abstraction of the attic that’s ruining our
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community they themselves are a victim of what’s happening as well uh
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but also in how to deal with them so it’s there’s layers here of of what’s
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happening yeah now to a point because obviously you know nobody ever held me down and forced me to drink nobody ever
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held me down and forced me to shoot heroin so i made a lot of very selfish terrible choices to get me to the point
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where i no longer had a choice in my brain so i don’t want for any
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second to think that we are taking the responsibility away from people we are giving them respect of course
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absolutely that’s one of those things that a lot of people get stuck on with this especially in the training
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especially a lot of the older officers who have grown up through the nancy reagan era
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where just say no was the answer and uh you know those guys they learn in that
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training that that’s not the case you know there is an actual neural pathway created in the brain of an individual
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who abuses substances and abuse when they learn that science coupled with an actual
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example of recovery i think it’s just too compelling the evidence is too compelling for them
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to say oh well you know screw these guys they don’t know what they’re talking about you know that they
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have to look at it and they have to see that it’s real and then when they make that first call
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it’s unbelievable i mean it brings up uh another one from that area west lampeter
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we had a guy who you know i don’t remember the exact circumstances of his case but he was
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struggling his family was you know not doing okay as a result of it and the officer down there made the connection
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with them through a domestic disturbance or something and you know she called us in and we got him
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into treatment that night and that individual now works for second chance pa and it goes out on responses and the
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officer in question uh she still gets a christmas card every year from that individual that
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individual’s mom and that individual’s grandma because they are so thankful to have
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their son back their grandson back and they’re just so thankful that that officer had the compassion to treat him
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like a person instead of just shove them into the system that’s not going to do anything for them
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an officer got called out to a domestic disturbance which presumes there might have been
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some pi i don’t know this but presumes there may have been some actual like an altercation or at least the threat of
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such which means that typically an officer responding to that there’s a heightened level of adrenaline and
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potential escalation of force and instead the officer showed up and again said
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this person needs help and then now they’re like friends and
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and that person is now helping in your organization uh uh paul boyd uh made an incredible point and i
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think that speaks to what you’re saying you know we’re talking about recovery for addicts if
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if there are law enforcement officers who have been you know structured to believe that law
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enforcement is this sort of like feedback mechanism of of harming people back who are doing harm in the community
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that kind of becomes a sort of addiction in a way and you’re teaching them
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that’s not true and here’s actually you’re dealing with people with medical problems you wouldn’t beat someone up
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for having a broken leg um and wincing if you got near them so you wouldn’t treat it this way you’re
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actually you’re doing recovery work for some of these officers as well
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actually in a lot of several cases at least we’ve run into officers and or members of officers
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families that we’ve actually been able to do interventions on and get into recovery
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just as a result of those trainings that that we’ve done wow and yeah i mean it’s it’s some unbelievable
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stuff uh the one training we did uh an officer so i give out my number at every training so that anybody can call me
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text me anytime ask me questions whatever it might be yeah and that officer did until later that night and
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he had drank several beers you know to get up the courage to call me and just say you know how much he
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appreciated what was going on and that he and his daughter were struggling with addiction
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and uh he asked me to come help and just you know these are people i looked at
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the enemy for the longest time and there’s just something so freeing and so powerful
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to be able to look at them as people you know they’re they’re no different than we are they’re just people have jobs uh
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they’re just people with jobs sometimes
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you know that has been something i have struggled continue to struggle with is i’ve been a libertarian and an anarchist
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for quite some time and i was very [ __ ] the police for a very for a while
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and it is interesting getting involved in in running for office which meant
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talking to libertarian cops who said you know and again i i still
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have i still believe you know as long as there is a war on drugs and a war on guns in a war on poverty and so forth
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that i think officers should be taking a much more active role in not just saying i’m doing my job and making that
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okay but i realized the the lengths that i go to remembering
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that i’m dealing with human beings i often was not applying to police and
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that is something that i have to consistently remind myself when i will see you know some cops some cops
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bragging about drug hauls and you know bragging about there was one that was bragging about taking signs from
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homeless people that said god bless you know and and basically soliciting or whatever and and and remembering
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like you said at some point something got screwed up there and it’s it’s folks like you
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and i i know you know this but i’m making sure everyone knows this you’re helping those cops re-center if they
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were ever there for a noble reason which i i agree with you i think the vast majority are if they were there for a
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noble reason you’re helping them to reconnect with what that noble reason was because for a long time it’s well
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i’m the sheep dog and i need to protect the sheep from these wolves and they’re just wolves and they’re bad guys and
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it’s like no no you’re not white hat they’re not black hat you’re human beings everyone is in a situation
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everyone needs help at some point you get to be the one who gets to help these folks and i think that’s absolutely
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beautiful here’s here’s a couple comments that we’ve had uh just bunch of people fantastic wonderful
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we love this i love this so much someone made sure asked me to post the details on my page uh that’s not all we’re going
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to be doing we’re going to be working directly with with chris you where the power is going to be working directly on this we’re going to try to do everything
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we can we’ll talk about that in a second um uh aj campbell says thank you for
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sharing your success thank you aj tim wise song and this actually this dovetails well into what i was about to
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ask you tim weissong says this needs to be duplicated everywhere let me ask you about that because my understanding is
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you are now up to this isn’t just in one borough or one district tell us about how you’ve been expanding recently
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so we’ve gone uh in december 2018 we started with two police
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departments and those two police departments were elizabeth town borough which is two
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square miles of not a whole lot happening here in lancaster county and northwest regional
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police which is the 45 square miles of cornfield and highway surrounding elizabethtown borough and since then
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that’s an accurate description you can look it up it’s real i believe
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since then we’ve expanded to 24 police departments in our county
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and that covers the entirety of the county save one very old very crusty police chief that will
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hopefully retire soon yes so this is something you are expanding it through the county is this i assume
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this is something you want to see statewide yeah so we’ve we’ve talked to the office
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of the inspector general which has a citizens commission on policing to keep
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an eye on the state police and just how they operate and i love the work that they’re doing and they’re
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talking about trying to expand this a bit and as you might imagine it’s been very difficult especially here in lancaster
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which is a very very red super conservative ultra conservative area uh you know
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and pennsyltucky no i know where you are yes yes you know pennsyltucky i mean we’re not that bad
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i have i have uh i have very close loved ones and family in the hanover area that’s right we were talking about that
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yeah yeah you know this we’ve we’ve grown pretty tremendously
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we started out self-funded because nobody would fund something this crazy
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so we paid for it out of pocket because we believe in this program we believe in this model
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and we self-funded it so eventually after about a year and some change of proving the concept
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the federal government hucked some money down to the state and i’m sure some of it disappeared and then they hopped it
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down to the county level and then they [ __ ] it at us and they gave us a grant to
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you know expand the program where we were able to add four additional responders because of
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this grant and actually they covered it for about a year and some change then we got in trouble for not spending
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all of the money because apparently we need to spend all the money uh so i thought to do a great job saving
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eighty thousand dollars that was not not correct so we lost the grant uh we went back to self-funding
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okay wait wait wait i i have to stop you there for a second i have to stop you okay this is
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okay okay then the county picked it up because our county is awesome and it is
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now a cover service in the county so go ahead please no no no and that’s great that they
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count sounds like your county is like the best government ever but i just want to at least when it comes to this i just want to be very clear about something
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what chris just told all of you is that because he tried to save taxpayer money
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the feds in the state went no absolutely not no we’re never giving you money again you’re supposed to spend every
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penny of that it wasn’t the state it was it was the pets the feds were like no
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your account no you have to spend every nickel of this or you were never getting
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that is that is i mean that’s on brand for the federal government uh
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so you now have this going you are expanding it across your county uh and
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hopefully and even possibly into the can you imagine if the pennsylvania state troopers start doing this
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we’re actually very close to getting the troop in lancaster on as a test run
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so we’re we’re getting close it’s just very difficult because they’re very militarized and they only listen to the
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person above them yes and there’s very little you know thought put into it
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unless you’re the people at the top and now the people at the top are starting to listen and starting to understand
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what we have going here and how we can take a lot of their problems away from them
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you know if you think about it every single time they make a referral to us that individual is gone that individual
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is not even able to reoffend because they’re out in treatment they’re getting better they’re
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in the hospital you know they’re wherever they’re supposed to be and it’s not just go to jail for one night get
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popped back out relapse immediately start offending again i think they’re starting to realize that
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this is going to crush the recidivism this is going to take a lot of the busy work off of their plates and let them
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focus on the stuff that i i would hope that focus on you know not
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me not getting shot when i drive around pennsylvania you know yes i like i like
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getting shot i mean that’s a it’s a great my one of my favorite things on in a given day is
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to not get shot um the uh the the i i highly recommend it um
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because you’re reducing violent crime like this is across the board this is solving so many problems that the criminal justice
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system uh has not done much to help they’ve been treating everything as a as a
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a mole to be whacked in the endless game of whack-a-mole but the problem is the moles come back stronger and stronger
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and stronger and bigger and bigger and bigger and more and more and more traumatized and it’s it’s not actually
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fixing the problem one of the things that i think is changing this is because the public
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is getting sick of the war on drugs even if they don’t think drugs should be legal necessarily or they don’t think
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that you know the harder drugs should be decriminalized they at least recognize the way of doing it this way ain’t
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working even if it’s still supposed to be illegal or whatever at least this isn’t working and so if
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for nothing else it’s in their best and even if they don’t have a heart even if even if they can’t be that you know
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humanize this for them at the very least they need to get reelected
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so i mean if nothing else you can demonstrate that you can be the politician uh that said
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that i was going to fix the recidivism rate i was going to clear out our jails but also reduce the crime rate uh and
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and that this is the way to do it i was going to end or greatly reduce the overdoses that are happening in our in
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our state in our county and so forth and and this is yeah uh uh justin is saying in the chat to
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protect their budgets i mean if nothing else to to protect you know having access to control of the budget
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and everything this is this is uh it’s it’s incredible man it’s it’s great that you’re doing uh what i
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want to ask you is and and uh and we can talk more details about this is uh i’m actually starting a it’s half the reason
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part of the reason i brought you on um i’m starting an organization called you were the power and without going into
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too much detail on it it’s basically going to be a single-issue uh localized activism organization for libertarians
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to work with everyone on identifying problems in our communities and then
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identifying the solutions to those problems and then and hear me out here going and trying to implement those
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solutions by going to the people in office bringing a large enough group of people to show that it’s politically
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advantageous for them to do so and actually push for those goals to happen um the reason i bring this up is uh i
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would like to work with you in the future now and in the future to help expand um blueprints and and blueprints
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for addiction recovery and second chance pa not just within pa i would like to try to take this model to other places
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that are receptive to it and see if we can have a second chance america would you like to be a part of that
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one billion percent yes uh that would literally make my life
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i mean i’ve spent thousands of hours over the last three years you know training police riding
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along with police uh you know just kind of learning about them and really getting to know them on a one-on-one
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level and even the you know county politicians around here uh you know there are zero elected libertarians
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anywhere near here i think there might be one or two in another county or something but yeah
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it’s a very non-politicized thing i mean we have republicans we have democrats
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and they work literally together to make this happen and and nobody makes this political in any way shape or form it’s
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about the community and it’s about people and it is about restoring their lives
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and i’m so thankful that we have people here that allowed this perfect storm to
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come together to prove a concept that works that’s awesome
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absolutely well i look forward to it man i look forward to pushing this around a bunch of people are joining on right now
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saying what i missed it’s been an hour guys like come on so uh long story short you’re gonna have to listen or either
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watch the whole thing when it’s over or listen to it but long story short uh this is chris dryspock and uh uh he and
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i are going to uh end the war on drugs and addiction in our lives long story
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short i mean that there’s you can unpack it a little bit more than that but that’s basically we’re about to work on doing that starting in uh in central pa
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and then working out from there um but uh i think it’s incredible man i i am so happy that you are on uh and that we got
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a chance to talk about this um i i would definitely like you on more in the future we’re to do updates on how this
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is going i cannot wait to get started on this um but i i want to ask you because
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you have been an incredible guest and um well i want to mention so the scientific libertarian says zero people
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have died in the safe usage clinic which is less than the number of people who have died in a chuck e cheese which is
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quite an interesting statistic there i’ll agree with that statistic i mean
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it’s it’s probably true i’m sure it is because i’ve been to a couple chuck e cheeses that were pretty
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rough so that that makes sense but uh before i let you go i i seriously i’m so thankful uh for for you for you what
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you’re doing and also for being on the show um and uh but before i let you go i want to give you a chance to give your
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final thoughts let people know how to reach you let people know if there’s anything coming up that they can help with in pa um
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whatever you want to talk about for however long you want to talk about it chris dreisbach the floor is
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yours well i’m going to mute myself just i
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mean you can say well i think i think first and foremost
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if anybody’s watching this that is struggling with addiction the most important thing to remember is
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you have a medical problem it’s not your fault it’s not a failing it’s not you’re not terrible you’re not
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a criminal you’re not bad get help reach out ask
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members of the community who are in recovery for help call samsha
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do a google search 2022 go to blueprintsrecovery.com you know we’re always happy to help anybody anytime
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that’s the most important thing that i want to get out of the way but also if you want to get involved in this go to
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your elected officials go to your police departments and say why aren’t we doing this why aren’t we treating humans like
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humans why are we still putting people in cages why are we acting like it’s 1972 it’s 20 22.
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let’s move into the 21st century together let’s help our neighbors help our families help our friends
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get better and we sit here with an entire generation dying
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dying overdosing on opioids i can’t even tell you the hundreds of friends that i’ve lost i can’t tell you the hundreds
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of families i’ve seen torn apart all because of something that is treatable
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and preventable and it’s completely unnecessary for it to continue happening we have the answer
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to addiction we just need to spread that around a little bit more break down those stigmas
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come together and beat this thing and really thank you spike for bringing me on here because this has been a blast
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i didn’t even realize it’s been an hour it only felt like it went by quickly right by the way and
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i and thank you and like i said we’re just getting started on this we’re going to do some incredible stuff together man
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and i i have to give another shout out because mary is still watching mary uh for this is for you and for ken
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because and i will say this as someone who also is a recovering addict and who
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is also incredibly grateful for very supportive parents i am certain that there were times when supporting this
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young man right here didn’t wasn’t quite as pleasant as it is right now and that you still did it because you loved him
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and you knew what he was capable of doing and you knew that he was gonna get past it now look at what he’s doing he’s
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saving lives and you have a very big part of that you’re you’re i
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i don’t even know the full story but i know the full story i know that your support uh is a major instrumental part
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of why chris is still here with us why he’s healthy with us and why he’s doing the incredible things he’s doing which
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we are just getting started on so huge shout out for you the least of which for voting for me i mean that’s on the scale
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of things i mean again i brought it up because that is important that you did and i thank you for it but uh that is
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the least of what i thank you for thank you for this young man and let me make sure i’m
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pointing correctly and and for the work we’re about to do and so shout out to both you chris
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lots of love we are going to get a lot of really great stuff done i can’t wait to get started on it uh samara
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covarrubias i hope i’m saying that correctly she wants to expand this to ohio with liberty shamrocker said the
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same thing uh that’s that’s the right right next door so no this is all we are gonna folks this is
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this is a lot of restoration we are about to do and i i’m excited to do it chris thanks again for coming on man i
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really really appreciate it thank you thank you absolutely stick around man we’re going
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in reality you were my kin though i view the world through another’s iris if you slide in my kicks it might fit
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we might just unite them come together become hybrid at the least slightly
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like-minded indeed the life i’ve lived brings light to kindness all you need is a sign
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put a cease to the crimes put an ease of the minds like mine sometimes darkness is all i find you
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make a change [Music]
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