(((My Fellow Americans))) #127: Lauren Postler, Joanna Jurgens and Larry Sharpe

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not just two guests but in fact three guests three guests
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so i’m going to do something different than what i usually do and i’m just going to show you my guests and you don’t even necessarily know who they are
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yet because this is a whole this is crazy time right now we don’t even know who the guests are and so we’re figuring it out as we go along our guest tonight
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uh the first guest uh was um hold on uh the first guest was a board
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member of people for liberty who spearheaded this project that we’re going to be talking about what project you ask
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we’re about to tell you uh she uh also um is uh she has a goal of putting people before politics she launched and
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grew uh the organization and served as chair of the board of directors um she is now focusing on supporting
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independent candidates and activities that brought the liberty message outside of libertarian circles ladies and
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gentlemen she is lauren postler uh then my next guest yeah bottom bottom left
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that’s lauren postler yeah we usually have names so i’m gonna point to the various guests uh then my next guest is
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the head of business affairs for so far sounds uh where she manages legal and business affairs on the international
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level and despite that busy schedule she’s never too busy to talk about liberty she is passionate about using
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her experience with live music and major events like south by southwest to help bring the liberty movement mainstream
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with the launch of liberty live ladies and gentlemen ms joanna jurgens bottom
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right and then here to my right is let me see
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no not lauren postler oh uh he has an extensive resume
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including entrepreneur exactly this is him uh executive coach and management consultant he’s a college instructor
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marine corps veteran podcaster and radio host and a family man he has been on this show so many times he is a friend
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of the show and a friend of the jew he is running for governor of new york for the second time in a really really big
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way we’re going to be talking about that ladies and gentlemen mr larry sharp lauren joanna larry thank you all so
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much for being on the show i’m glad you’re having us i love it thanks mike
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it’s really exciting but there’s a problem though spike and i’m mad and i’m mad because i was gonna sue you i was so
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gonna sue you but now you got that great lawyer yeah so now i can’t sue you now
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i’m scared it is work so i’m i’m upset about that you’re gonna have to read it but but that’s a good thing defy the
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yeah so we’re good so that’s good thank you thank you all
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for for coming on and for not well now you can’t sue me so thank you for that as well um so before we get started on
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what we’re here to talk about larry you’ve been on the show you’re welcome to say it again you’ve said it uh every
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time i have you on uh but uh i i guess i’ll start with lauren and then go on to joanna uh if you guys could just briefly
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tell us tell the folks at home how you got where you are and what you’re trying to do for the liberty movement was there
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kind of an aha moment that brought you to that uh was it sort of a gradual evolution over time everyone has their
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genesis story tell us yours and what we’ll start with lauren yeah thanks spike
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and you know i’ll share i think my my journey to the liberty movement isn’t that different from many others
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you know i like to tell people i’m a i’m a recovering republican but it was during the 2020 election
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cycle that you know i’d had enough and before i founded people for liberty
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in 2020 my exploration of the movement was mainly online you know what are my friends saying what are other people
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saying what is the media saying what are media personalities saying you know i’m so grateful to you and to
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larry and his podcast the sharp way as well because you both have been active advocates
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for liberty undiluted liberty and you know
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deciding to start a non-profit organization people for liberty i didn’t come to that decision lightly i did my
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homework i explored the landscape i looked at what are all of the other organizations involved and to me it
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seemed like there were a lot of public policy analyst groups and think tanks
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and content creators and people really working to get the message out but there wasn’t any
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organization directly focused on building community on building a home
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a warm welcoming diverse and inclusive home for people that either felt disaffected
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by either the two major parties or even you know their party of choice but who wanted to promote liberty so
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i feel very grateful and proud to have had the opportunity to found that organization got it up and running it is
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now operating on its own and i stepped down as chair of the board of directors at the beginning of march
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to now turn my attention to independent candidates our independent candidates need help
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they do not have parties behind them they need the support of a super pac
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of media groups of marketing professionals and larry and spike both of you know
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this struggle as professional marketers professional media personalities but also as candidates who have you know
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really run the gamut and run the trail so turning up my attention to independent
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candidates was kind of a natural segue away from people for liberty and one of the things i i did first and
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foremost was say hey joanna we don’t have enough events in the liberty movement that are really
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engaging with the mainstream audience and if we want to support independent candidates liberty minded independent
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candidates mind you we need to be bringing the message outside of the movement what can we do
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and joanna joanna and i are both in texas i split my time between houston and austin and joanna’s in the dallas
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area but we’re both long time south by southwest aficionados i’m a serial
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entrepreneur i’ve worked in tech for over 10 years most recently in venture capital so like i’ve done the south by dance and
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i know joanna has as well on the music side and i said joanna i know a lot about pitch competitions and working
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with startups and entrepreneurs i’m not a live event gal you are
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what do you think how can we bring the liberty message to the mainstream can we do it at south
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by and with that i’ll kick it to joanna because we weren’t sure this was a grand
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experiment and joanna fought long and hard to get a liberty message on that stage
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yeah we’ll um we’ll find out how it goes down so i guess my origin story is somewhat
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similar to lawrence and i i really wasn’t all that involved in politics wasn’t that interesting i was a music
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person my background’s in television and then um music for the past 15 years or so
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um but what i’ve found is that people just want to come together
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people just want their liberty people just want to be in a community and care about one another and of course the
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media does not represent what we’re all about as people and our political parties do not
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represent what we’re all about as people um living in a red state and in a i guess kind of
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a blue industry i feel like i’ve got a really wide balance of friends i’ve got
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friends that i do consider well kind of really close to far right and i’ve got friends that are avowed
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socialists they’re wonderful people all of them and um so for the music business i i’ve
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really started to see how we actually have so much more in common than we have
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that are different and haven’t been gone to south by southwest so much
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it’s it’s the place that i really think people are open to new ideas the whole
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point of south by southwest is that it is it is where airbnb first started on uber
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pretty much any major tech company that you see any new idea is the first place i’ve ever heard of bitcoin
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um there’s so much there and most of the politicians that are all kind of getting
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well known on the cutting edge have all been there i think aoc was there a couple years ago rand paul um
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i got really mad at the obamas once because the motorcade got in the way of me going one of my favorite bands so i
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was yelling at the police i don’t care if michelle obama’s in that car i need to get across the street um so it is a
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place that it is a great combination of culture of music of
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politics everything is all there and the people are happy open-minded it’s one of those places it
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doesn’t matter what time of the day or night it is i felt safe because it is a community of i think they have like 80
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000 people come into town for this one event but everyone’s there looking for the next big thing they’re open-minded
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and it just really made sense to me that we should start bringing
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the liberty meaning the liberty community to it so this is actually the first year that i’m
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doing it just by myself my company is not anything to do with it usually they pay for me and i’m putting together
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music showcases so i should say that everything that i’m doing here is not a reflection of my company
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um to their credit they have not asked me what i’m doing and i have not told them what i’m doing i said i’m off this week
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i’m doing my own thing this time so um that’s that’s kind of where we are on that so this is my first year kind of
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focusing more on on liberty and my own thing and like i said i was talking to lauren recently i’m looking to make a
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career change and you know southwest southwest is it’s just such a great place for networking meeting people and
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growing a liberty movement that’s awesome by the way i don’t care if michelle obama’s in that car i need
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to cross the street is possibly the most libertarian sentence ever it’s certainly in contention now larry
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uh there are at least minimum six people who are watching this right now who possibly don’t know who
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you are so tell us briefly about your about your how you became liberty how you became a laritarian because liberty
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larry sharp libertarianism has become so prolific that it’s actually i’ve branded it as laritarianism it is an entirely
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different intercollaritarianism it’s an entire different branch of libertarianism so tell us how you how you became a
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libertarian i love it i um i was the uh all i knew was that the the
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establishment wasn’t working so back in the day i was like ross perot
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will save us all i bought into that line some of you know what i’m talking about uh so yes and then i thought it’s okay
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because ralph nader he’ll save us all so i thought that was the answer and if you
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would have asked me what were any of their policies i couldn’t have told you i just knew they weren’t the
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establishment therefore by default they were good it didn’t really matter what their policies were um and i was very
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much disappointed and i was actually going to stop voting by the time 2012 came around i was
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working on my business as a consultant that’s all i was doing and that’s all i really cared about so i
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came to the the idea of libertarianism it wasn’t through most channels i mean
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it wasn’t someone that i heard on tv that brought me here or some government book it actually was a
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business guy by the name of robert ringer some of you who are in the business may know robert ringer he wrote the book looking out for number one uh action
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nothing happens till someone moves and to be or not to be intimidated and he is
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an objectivist he’s not libertarian he’s an objectivist and all about ann rand and he’s like read atlas shrugged it’s
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my bible he’s like that and that’s fine uh i i thought okay he’s my business guru i’ll read the books and when i read
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the books i did not become an objectivist i’m not an objectivist however i did stop thinking
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maybe maybe it’s going to sound crazy but spike maybe government doesn’t have all
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the answers it’s not possible no no no no no no no we’re not we’re not doing that here
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we’re not doing that here we’re not doing it i said baby sweetie don’t be mad at me that’s a baby it’s a
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conversation here it’s a conversation it’s all it is okay conversation don’t throw me off it’s a conversation go
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ahead so i i came up with that concept that maybe that was true just maybe and
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that is what opened me up because what i was already teaching in college and i’m teaching in my in my classes
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and consulting was the idea of post-industrial leadership which is the idea of leading without
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being authoritative right i’m not telling what to do in today’s world i need your arms and legs far less than i
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ever did i need your brain far more than i ever did right so things change i’m gonna make sure i’ve got you doing the
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right thing what does that mean i have to get you on board you need to want to
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do this it is literally business voluntarianism and that’s what i was teaching and i
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didn’t know that i was teaching that so that when i finally in 20 in 2012 heard gary johnson
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speak i could hear him because he was an entrepreneur like me so that was a
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connection that i had with him that i just didn’t have with other politicians so when i heard him speak i said huh
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and it may sound funny i thought gary johnson was a radical when i heard him
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i know i’m far more radical than he is now but that’s where my head was right if you get where my head was i thought
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wow this guy agrees with this whole government may not be the answer for everything crazy thing people are
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talking about so that really got me on board and i came on in 2012 hardcore i
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joined the party in 2012 2013 i voted for gary johnson and judge jim graves my first
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vote for libertarians ever um i supported the campaign i supported our gubernatorial candidate
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in new york in 2014. literally i was giving him money driving him around i was doing debate prep for him when he
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went to go debate in buffalo i was doing all those things and in 2016 i thought you know what my worry was after 2016
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everybody would go away and we’d be broken up and just i’m gonna be there so i wanted to be the vp
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so that when gary johnson left i could you know retain the banner and keep moving forward as a symbol that was my
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goal by the way this is my least favorite part of your story i this is my least favorite part of your story but go
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ahead this is my least favorite you mean what i don’t know this is my least favorite what happens here is my least favorite
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part yes so i’m trying to to be the vp and i lost to bill weld and i lost by 31
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votes not that i’m counting or i’m not counting right lauren stop i’m not counting you’re counting i’m not
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counting it’s 31 votes i just i just happened to remember that number for no reason so i lost my 31 votes and i was
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unable to be the vp and it was not a um johnson sharp ticket it was a johnson
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weld ticket so but i still i cared about gary johnson i still love him and that
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day i literally ran a fundraiser for him that night i went upstairs got some sleep in my hotel came down and raised
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130 000 for the campaign that night so we have to make sure we still move forward i still love gary johnson no
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matter what i will always love gary johnson so in any case then i realized okay i can’t be the vp what should i do i decided to
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run for governor of new york in 2018. um got enough votes that i we got ballot access
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for the first time ever in new york state we raised half a million dollars um in the campaign the most we had ever
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run we ran the longest libertarian campaign ever it was a year and three or four months um and we raised the most
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money libertarian campaigns have run except for president non-presidential election we raised the most money that
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we’ve ever run so it was a lot of good stuff we got ballot access and the goal that i’ve always been saying is top of
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the t gets press bottom the ticket has chance of winning when you combine those two you get a
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whole lot of victories yeah so i practiced what i preached and the year after in 2019 i crossed the state again
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supporting local candidates bringing them press and we got 107 victories in new york state we went from
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zero libertarians awesome to 107 in two years and then new york state said
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no that’s that’s not gonna work that is so not gonna work so we’re gonna in the budget write an
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item that says you are no longer a party larry sharp thanks but no thanks you need to get out of here and they got rid
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of our ballot access and we lost everything with the stroke of a pen in new york state so now i’m at it again i am insane i’m
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at it again and just so you guys know how hard it is when i first had to run i had to get 15 000 signatures in the
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course of 12 weeks and then get 50 000 votes or more in the election
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now they took away our ballot access and that made it harder for us to get on now i have to get 45 000 signatures
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in half the time in six weeks so they tripled the signatures and half the time
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and then they triple the amount i have to get i’ve got 130 000 votes now so they increase the amount of votes i
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have to get the amount of you have to get and shorten the time and for some reason i’m still doing this
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i i don’t maybe i am insane perhaps but i’m doing it again so i hope i gave you the story you wanted to hear larry now
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that i’m a free agent i’m gonna come support you my friend because this is this is a fight worth fighting and so
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appreciate you yes we have to we have to absolutely by the way i found a photo of
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what the world would be like if you had been gary’s vice presidential nominee instead of bill weld um
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this is also this is also what new york will look like after you are elected governor so it’s it’s 100 accurate it’s
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a flexible photo there’s a many it’s all related to larry this is a larry photo i don’t know if you
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notice the guy walking the dog anyway so uh let’s talk about so here is we’re doing something very exciting
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together and i i want to give a little bit of backstory here when i was first approached by lauren when when lauren
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reached out to my team about me speaking being at south by southwest i my first thought was i don’t care what you say
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i’m not releasing my mixtape and i it showed i knew i knew almost not all i knew about south
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by southwest was the the music aspect i knew there was like something with speakers like sort of like a ted talk
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type of thing but i didn’t know much about it so when i heard south by southwest i’m like i am not a good i
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don’t i mean i can be a good hype man for for larry sure um i don’t know if
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larry has bars but i guess we’re all about to find out and uh turns out you’re the greatest rapper of all time
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but uh what i found out about south by southwest is that you know originally it
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was founded in the 80s started as a music festival it has grown over time to incorporate
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topics like uh tech and film and music and education and uh they had uh what
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was called government and politics now it’s called uh civic discussion which is what we’re a part of it uh they’re
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expecting over and fifty thousand attendees uh or well over a hundred thousand um and uh by the way for those
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who are anywhere near austin texas uh not too late to sign up for south by southwest come on in and if you are
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already planning on attending south by southwest uh come check out our uh our uh panel uh which is titled breaking the
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duopoly can third parties prevail um and i i just uh i guess we can start with
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lauren or really with whomever here but i guess lauren who kind of put again with all of this what is the uh
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what no go ahead lauren i was gonna say spike i think you highlighted probably some confusion
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within the liberty movement about south by southwest the conference and why it’s important for the liberty movement
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if people associate it with a music festival or a film festival it might seem like nice to have instead of a need
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to have right so i think you really hit the nail on the head and understanding our market
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and bringing that message outside of it i will share what i found to be a fairly
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insular movement where we create little echo chambers and we talk to each other and we talk to
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ourselves and we talk to our friends by bringing this panel breaking the
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duopoly to south by southwest we are stepping far outside the libertarian
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comfort zone yes and i really
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i really want to give credit to joanna because it is a difficult conference to
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get into you know just like just like anything elite or media connected
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you have to know someone that knows someone and thankfully i knew people on the tech side on the venture capital side joanna new people on the music side
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and live events so joanna it was an uphill battle getting this panel wasn’t it
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it is um you actually generally have to start pitching panels to them in august the
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previous year um and they of course have hoops you
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have to jump through sometimes they are they are not fun but you know private entity they put up the
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hoops we choose if we want to jump through them private property yes yeah exactly so there were definitely
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some sometimes that we were getting frustrated going through laura and i had just really met and started connecting
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and as soon as i myself by devotee and so as soon as i realized that she she
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knew how brilliant this this whole event was we kind of had made fast friends and um when we were talking about what we
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can do i we need to go to south by southwest let’s let’s do something here and then
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lauren introduced me of course to both of you guys as well as a myriad of other wonderful people
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but um yeah it’s we had to do a lot and we only finally got the the approval tweaking the panel
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tweaking who’s gonna get it tweaking exactly what we were gonna call it um and they gave us the approval and um i’m
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i’m really excited i’ve been going to southern southwest for i think 11 years solid now and it’s been a bucket list
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item of mine honestly to to speak there to be on a panel um as much as i’ve been going there for
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music for years i finally gonna be speaking on a panel and it’s not even about music but you
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know that’s how life works that i’m really excited that we have the opportunity to do that and to talk
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liberty to people and i think oftentimes what i have experienced
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in the music industry and of course there will be a lot of music people there is they’re not willing to talk
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about liberty yet they’re not willing to say come out and say i’m on your side
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i’ve got i’ve got a list of musicians i’m obviously not going to name them but they tell me when i meet them and like
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hey i like what you’re saying on social media don’t tell anyone exactly of course you guys um i’m sure
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have heard about the whole thing that happened with winston marshall of mumford and sons and
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you know there there’s a lot i actually know some of the guys in the band and um a
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lot of the circles they’re in and i know a lot of those guys feel the same way um the nice new guys
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guys girls whoever um but there they haven’t been as brave as winston and speaking out
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um and i don’t blame them i’m certainly not not criticizing anyone but i i know from personal experience there are a lot
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of people at stuff for southwest that are listening whether they’re willing to come out and join us yet or not we need to keep
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feeding them what they want to hear joanna i think you mentioned two things that are of interest that the audience
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will want to know as well the first i i think will circle back to this is what what can people expect at
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south bio why is it important you mentioned that so many new ideas are shared
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you know guys facebook launched at south by southwest period facebook launched at south by
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southwest twitter launched at south by southwest airbnb launched at south by southwest
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when facebook did the rebrand of meta it was supposed to be at south by southwest even though it was virtual
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but when you think about the major media platforms specifically the tech enabled platforms
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that are making this kind of broadcast possible south by is where they launch
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south by is where they get new ideas south by is where they engage with their stakeholders
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to understand what are people looking for now how can we serve our audience and our
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customers better we want all of those major platforms those players in the space and the new
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and up and coming to recognize there is a liberty audience hungry to be served
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and joanna i’d say your second point there was the challenge with the word libertarian
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and why we have really approached this at you know framing the event as a liberty live
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series as opposed to a libertarian event using the word liberty intentionally
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and which is why i am being careful to promote independent candidates because people are much more
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willing to say oh yeah i’m an independent you know when we look at that bell curve
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of early adopters and innovation people who have jumped the gun and said yes i’m libertarian
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they’re still on this kind of low slope of the bell curve whereas we will be able to reach so many more a broader
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audience if we don’t force them into that box if i do want to interrupt real quick and
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make it and to to be fair there is somebody else on our panel at south by southwest her name her name is nalini
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stamp and she is with the workers family party so i’m i do want to you know she’s not
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in in the liberty sphere as we are but she is um south by southwest suggested
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that we bring someone else in for a more diverse panel and it was uh let me
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let me touch that if i could for a second also sure right i’m i’m running for office in
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in new york i didn’t say what party i was running under yep why because i’m running under three
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parties i’m running as a libertarian i’m also running as a forward party which is
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many of you know the andrew yang’s party and also looking for the unite line too which is another from america looking
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for their line so i’m looking at three lines i’m running in to create an actual coalition is what i’ve been talking about forever the the liberty movement
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is bigger than the libertarian party obviously absolutely but the liberty libertarian movement
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right is is i think the only way to save america i know it sounds hyperbolic but i honestly believe it if you see what’s
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happening in our politics now which is why i know there’ll be political people there everyone’s jumping on one side or the
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other we politicize everything everything that happens politicize so if i decide i’m gonna drink pepsi today
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someone goes there’s larry republican or democrat oh he’s a democrat so pepsi is for democrats and coke is for republic
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just done that’s how it works larry’s a republican then coke is for republic whatever it doesn’t matter it’s what whatever i am we now politicize that
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doesn’t really matter what it is so the liberty movement is the only movement that says
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you can be who you want to be but you don’t have to convert you just have to say i’m not going to
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force my views and others and the music industry is actually naturally this way
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the music industry is all about people going their own way doing their own thing trying to be the new cool thing
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and letting certain people watch or listen and certainly say that’s dumb that’s stupid i don’t like it so it
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they’re kind of already with us if that makes any sense they just don’t know it they tended to be left-leaning because
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in the past the left tended to be a lot more open to that in the past so they
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have a history of being more left-leaning because of that openness to cultural changes and such those days
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have changed now neither side when it comes up right is actually very open at all both sides say follow my rules or i’m
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mad at you the libertarian or the liberty movement is the only movement that says do you man it’s all good do
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you and i think that’s where we’re going to fit in very well we are the peacemakers we are the people who can
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create a coalition i’ve i’ve tried to prove that with how i’m running we’re the only ones who can create coalitions
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you can’t get anybody else to make that coalition only we can so i think we will fit perfectly
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that’s an excellent point as i was saying about nalini too i mean they are workers family party are the
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people that kind of supported the bernie sanders elizabeth warren the aoc the squad um so if you really delve into
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topics um it issues we’ve got a lot of differences from her and her group but
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our panel’s not about those differences our panel is about the need for a third party so i’m really excited especially
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larry because you’re in new york she’s talking the work effect workers family party out of new york they do the same
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thing whereas they have their own ballot line and of course they’re supporting democrats that that support their views
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but um when i spoke to her and someone else in the worker’s family party we had so we were talking to each other said
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yes yes yes that’s right because it was all no matter what we think about we’re
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not being represented the people are not being represented we are getting pushed aside and that’s really
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the first step before we even try and worry about convincing people whether they’re going to vote libertarian or
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liberty or independent is to open their eyes and see that the two major parties just aren’t representing them as they
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should be and what can we do what are the ways that a third party might be
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able to to get known and i’m really excited to have you talk to people about
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you know running with the forward party and different people like that yeah i i think that’s a i’m glad you
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said that i think the coalition’s everything yeah there there’s something inherently anti-authoritarian for people that are
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running outside of the duopoly right they’re they’re recognizing even if our policies are wildly different even if we
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as libertarians would say well actually this thing would be kind of authoritarian if you listen to green
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party uh working families party constitution party uh even dsa a lot of
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these parties even if we disagree on the means by which we get there there is sort of this
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undercurrent belief among all of them that this way’s not working and that we shouldn’t be under control and that’s
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something that’s very inherently anti-authoritarian within the third party and an independent crowd is
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that we don’t want to be told you have to be either team red or team blue we recognize that this whole thing is a
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scam we don’t want you to rob us blind anymore we want to have more choices and that is inherently liberty oriented even
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if we they don’t call themselves libertarian even if their goals are or even if their means aren’t explicitly
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libertarian their goals are obviously very liberty-minded and and to joanna’s point that is very true and to larry’s
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point as well uh really all of your points uh this has been something that’s been no only my points only mine
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only larry made this point it’s correct this is the world we could have had if everyone else had made this
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point but only larry made it what were you guys thinking this is also the world if the working
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families party endorses larry but that’s a whole we’ll talk about that later um but i’ll bring a print out of that to
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south by and say listen i just want to show you something i’m not saying you should endorse larry
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i’m just saying that you could look at that grass i mean wow yeah so uh no the point you bring up though is we
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bring up one common thing which i call believe it or not the bro program it came with the bro program that’s bro bro
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b stands for easier ballot access r stands for ranked choice voting
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and o stands for open primaries right these th this is the the group
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this program all third parties like we’re on board larry sharp’s talking this i’m in let’s
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do this those are the three changes systemically that we could change to actually allow
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all the third parties to come in whether you’re green or working families libertarian forward it doesn’t matter we
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all want that that’s the uniting piece and that’s what the two br the two established parties do not want
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we’re gonna have to work on that acronym because you almost lost me at bro code but i love what to stand for i love what
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it stands for maybe we’ll switch out like election reform and get an e in there but 110
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how are we breaking the duopoly there we go we’ll be i thought i’m going rob but i thought i don’t want to rob you
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no i thought bro was better right an orb sounded like we’re like going to rule the world was it with a magical orb so i
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thought the best i could do is come on bro that’s the best i can come up with so that’s why if you make it if you make
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it rob and then add electoral reform then it’s it’s robe noob that’s true it
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is robe i don’t know that that’s markedly better but it’s another one i was like how did
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you spin that like it’s rememberable to have larry come out in a robe and say i want to show you
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what’s in this robe no
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so speaking of i think we’re going back to bro yes we might be going back to bro or bro but
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with an e at the end and the e is silent it’s like bro so and it has a little umlaut on the e
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we could do a whole thing um so no i like it um so one thing about south
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by southwest is this is also very and we talk about this all the time libertarians are like cartman in that
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south part episode where he’s a teacher he goes i have to reach these kids this is us all the time how do we bring more
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young people into the movement and south by southwest is very much a youth organized or youth oriented event they
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actually plan the dates to coincide with spring break at texas university um so
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what what do you think are some of the main points we can be making to younger voters go ahead
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i gotta pause on that uh-oh yes it’s the university of texas i knew i knew the
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way you acted i knew this would be some kind of texas sports and or academia
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i’ve been
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i could see the anger and i knew because i’m the guy who showed up in fort worth at a campaign event was told it was
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dallas said dallas texas it got dead silence yeah no because how dare i think
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that the event that’s five minutes from my dallas hotel could possibly still be
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in dallas so okay so i’m sorry
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it coincides with spring break at the university of texas sorry well there you
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go and i’ll actually you know give a little bit of additional background there i went to ut for both
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undergrad and graduate school and then i’ve taught there off and on the thought process was actually so the
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students would be gone spike because they did not want to target
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college students they wanted to target investors they wanted to target international companies they wanted to
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target you know east coast west coast so the idea wasn’t to attract college-age students who were out on
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spring break the goal was to get them the out of town and then invite everyone else in but that backfired
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back there a little bit yes hey kids get over there we’re gonna have a music festival for the adults
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don’t come over today music festival don’t go to our music festival please okay joanna when you think about you know the
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demographics and what we typically see at south by you know how would you characterize that because it really runs
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the gamut it really does um i mean there’s i’m going to say
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the actual attendance figures there’s people represented from over 100 different countries um and with my music international music
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background that’s the reason that i fell in love with it because it allows bands
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musicians to come over from that aren’t established yet it’s oftentimes emerging
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musicians emerging um music just like we talk about emerging ideas
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ones that would never normally be able to come over and be in the states so
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it’s the being able to go out there and like meet fans from egypt and nigeria
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and australia is always whoever represented it is very cosmopolitan there are
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people from all sorts of of backgrounds of countries
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of ideas it is very it’s become it did start out music has become much more
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heavily tech oriented because of course silicon valley is where all the money comes from um
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and there’s been a lot of controversy with south by southwest as the big companies come and take it over
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with all their corporate selling yeah exactly so that’s that’s always a consideration
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but um yeah it still does appeal in general to to younger people and i
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guess when you look at myself younger spirits um so people that that go that want to
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have fun i i don’t see it’s just the true diversity right because it doesn’t
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really matter how old somebody is it’s when you’re all there we’re all we’re not really looking at
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any of those individual characteristics it’s just people coming together
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wanting to see what’s new wanting to meet each other wanting to hear each other
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it really is it’s in fact my husband takes my children to disney world um quite often when i go
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his family live his parents live in florida and so i always make a big deal i was like yeah
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this is disneyland for me they’re going to disney world but this is disney world for me coming to south by southwest
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joanne if you had to summarize the audience you know would you say it’s people with an open mind yes
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yeah looking for new things looking for new ideas looking for new things which is
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our audience guys that’s awesome maybe that road thing is a good idea after all all right there is
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wait what’s this guy doing with a robe let’s go see that we’ll take a break from the music this might work leaving
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it’s a beautiful we’ll do what we got to do here we got to do it listen sex sells larry and and you might you
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might be our guy for that uh so it’s but this is something we’ve been on a regular basis because uh
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younger people tend to be typically kind of naturally anti-authoritarian
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they haven’t quite been beaten down by life yet and they’re and usually and they are more likely to say no you know
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that doesn’t make sense why you know you need to explain that to me also typically and again this is generally
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speaking the whole neuroplasticity thing younger people tend to be a little bit more open-minded on new uh ideas
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especially like belief systems cultural ideas and things like that so this seems like our net and and like joanna said to
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her point the young at heart are probably also in a similar level of neuroplasticity where they also are open
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to these ideas so it’s not just a numerical age thing it’s more being tied to being open-minded and being at an
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event explicitly to see what are the new things not just in music but in tech in
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culture and in you know how they’re voting potentially so i think it’s incredible what we’re going to be doing um now this is it’s it’s hard to
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underestimate just or overestimate just how impactful this is this brings in
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super bowl numbers for austin um uh where’s the number uh in 2019 before
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before covid and i’m assuming the numbers are going to be this big or bigger uh for this year it brought in
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over 350 million dollars just into the austin economy this is a huge huge event
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it cannot be overstated how big this is what we’re doing well into your point about bringing in
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money to the economy spike these are the people that we want to be talking to because they understand how
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money moves and how money impacts new ideas and movement there you know joanna has really it leaned
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into the music side i’ve always been on venture capital panels and these are the people that we
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want to talk to about how they can make an investment and not just with their money but with their votes how can they
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make an investment with the resources necessary to get a new idea off the ground
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if that’s gathering support gathering votes gathering dollars we want to be talking to these audiences
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yeah these are these are the people that we need to be talking to especially for larry because larry needs to raise money
51:56
for his gubernatorial campaign this is the official make it happen i can’t get flying cars without it
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you’re right flying cars don’t run on dreams i’d love to highlight for people you know if they
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are in texas if they are in the austin area if they want to get a little liberty but they might not have spent
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the thousand plus dollars on a south by badge we will be out and about we i believe
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are going to be kind of set up at the midwest house so south by southwest is known for
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having kind of areas around the city known as houses so there’s funded house or startup house or
52:34
music house or branded houses as well you can go to facebook house we’re going to be going to midwest house
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along with my friends from media tech ventures so again this is our audience
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media tech entrepreneurs new ideas and for joanna
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we’re going to be going during their live music presentation so if people are interested in getting a
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little bit of liberty but they might not have purchased a badge they can check out where where we’re
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gonna be we’ll update the new website at libertylive.us
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and larry and spike i think that we’re going to do some amazing you know interviews we’re going to talk
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to some people on the street i can’t wait to get you all talking i can’t wait there’s no flying car house
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not here you haven’t been elected yet
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there’s a tesla house so we’ll we’ll try to talk to elon yeah i’m staying like five minutes from the
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elon’s new factory oh there we go oh see this is perfect larry sharp
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governor new gut newly newly crowned i guess that’s probably what they do is crown them there it’s new york they do crowds that’s correct they do it’s like
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a sword on the shoulder yeah larry sharp new crown newly crowned governor of new york announced his flying car factory in
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uh i i don’t uh binghamton uh and so uh we could use it i like binghamton good
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idea yes binghamton could use the money right so no that’s coming um so so yes
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if you if you haven’t uh you’re not in a position to get the south by southwest badge uh you can see us at the midwest
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house and if you go to libertylive.us uh you can get more information uh that will be updated on how you can see us
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there if you are at south by southwest uh we will be on march 13th which is
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sunday at 2 30 p.m local time uh we will be at the hilton austin downtown in
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salon c and our panel is called breaking the duopoly can third parties prevail
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spoiler alert yes they can prevail i added that last part
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but they don’t even have to come they don’t even have nobody listening to this
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okay edit this out or they won’t show what do you think okay this was live but i will edit this part out you’re not
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gonna believe if we can prevail can we prevail i don’t know we don’t know you’re gonna
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have to find out who knows we’re gonna find out what needs to be taught yes south by southwest if you were going
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to south by southwest we have absolutely no idea yet if third parties will prevail but we
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will and we’ll only tell you if you come to the hilton austin downtown at salon sea on march 13th at 2 30 p.m central
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otherwise you will never know ever you’ll never ever you’ll never know until it either does happen or doesn’t
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happen then then until and that’s libertarian over so we can leave everyone alone leave you
55:35
all alone and part of leave you alone is still not telling you so in addition to leaving you still not
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going to tell you it’s a pr president sharp have as libertarians prevail you didn’t come to south by southwest
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you don’t know i’m not telling you you’ll know by the flying cars yes you will know if you when you wake
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up one day and this is in your backyard uh you will know that uh both larry sharpe has one
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along with that at the panel i think you’re also going to be dropping some hot information about
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the advocates for self-government i will your bro partners or the rogue partners
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what whatever that plays out to be rank the vote and all of the amazing
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advocacy organizations that you are working to help promote correct the the you were teasing me about the
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laritarians but you’re right and the reason why i support and i’m behind and i completely are happy to rep the
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advocates for for self government is because that’s how someone goes from laritarian to libertarian there’s got to
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be a place that people can go to test themselves and see where their mindsets are and think differently the
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advocates.org if i can give a plug the advocates.org is where you go to take the world’s smallest quiz to take
56:53
quizzes on things like what do you think about police accountability what do you think about that would be my foreign policy issues what do you think about
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these how about elections what do you think about that and then where does your head go on these things that and
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also another organization they work with which is literally libertarianism.com
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libertarians.com talks about the happiness features based upon libertarianism that’s not only about
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liberty but it’s actually about happiness and liberty is the way to happiness
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exactly exactly and so these are the kinds of things that we will be talking about on the panel um and
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i wanna oh hold on i lost everyone there we are uh so one last thing before we
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get into final thoughts um what is your
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in your mind’s eye we’re in front of people and we’re and and don’t don’t do the spoiler alert
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because we don’t allow that on the show anymore but that ended minutes ago but what is your main
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takeaway of what you want to make sure this audience knows when they walk out that door besides the fact that they
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should donate to larry sharp’s campaign for governor and liberty live
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larry what’s your takeaway sorry
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i i will say that we hope the audience continues to stay engaged and find more ways to bring the liberty
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movement to the mainstream chances are there are major conferences and events
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and main stage opportunities where you think there should be a liberty presence
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we want to know how can we help advocate to get more liberty voices on main c
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main stream stages yeah i will be able to say that by the time we get there on sunday
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if you want to help us get on a mainstream stage in your area drop us a
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line libertylive.you we want to know how we can help get on those conference floors get in the
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booths and get at the podium on the mic in your area absolutely absolutely my my main
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takeaway is i want people to at least think that there is a
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possibility because i think we all hear the whole wasted vote fallacy um that
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there’s just no point not worth it there’s no possible way your head’s in the clouds
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i just want people to think twice to think hey maybe just maybe there really is a way
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that third parties can get there it’s an uphill climb i know that we all know that but it’s possible
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and that’s what i want people to come away with awesome i’m similar to what joanna says
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i just want people to actually realize that sticking with the two-party system
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doesn’t work just understand that right now in our current world
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victory is seen as the other hurting not as me winning
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so as long as i make the other person hurt that is my victory whether my life
1:00:04
is better or worse is irrelevant as long as the other loses so we’re voting against or defensively
1:00:11
not for or affirmatively and i would like people to think that they should stop doing that that remember for
1:00:17
whoever’s watching and listening right remember bush got us obama obama got us trump
1:00:24
trump got us biden who’s winning i don’t see anybody winning on this one right
1:00:30
the worse you do is maybe you delay your your guy
1:00:35
or gal for four or eight years maybe but that’s about it
1:00:40
this isn’t working if they get that and they go one step further with what joanna says and then go once to brother
1:00:46
what lauren says oh killing it we’re killing it absolutely it’s you know
1:00:51
i we we’ve all heard you know well i don’t want to waste my vote wasting your vote is voting for the exact people who
1:00:57
created this mess and are making it worse and the vain hope that they’ll somehow either fix it or uh or just stop
1:01:05
making it worse and and throwing your vote away is voting for the people whose
1:01:10
lies you like better than the people whose lies you don’t really like as much knowing that they’re lies but just
1:01:15
picking the ones that sound the best to you and to the and to the point of we can’t win we do win uh even just in the
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libertarian party and other other parties as well there are hundreds of elected officials uh and yes they are
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typically at the local level but they’re getting elected there’s nothing magically different between getting
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elected at the local level and getting elected at the higher level the only difference is uh access to funding uh
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and also just getting over the the uh head space that many people have about whether they can
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get elected in the first place and it’s these types of things that we are doing that can help to accomplish that it’s
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also things like we were talking about ballot access reform um ranked choice voting um electoral reform um the uh um
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open primaries yeah these are all really good things which is why i am announcing right now
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in this moment uh the uh launch of uh something i just came up with myself a very exciting initiative that i’m
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calling bro and bro will be [Laughter] i was gonna save this for south by
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southwest but i just feel very excited about it do it brother do it let it go let it go bro is you know if you woke up today and
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said my gosh spike i’m sick of voting republican or democrat but that’s all i can do right well folks bro will fix all
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of this imagine the electoral equivalent of larry sharp and a robe that’s what we’re doing and go bro
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go bro go bro or go broke
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oh i like that we’ll put that on a shirt for south by all right yes but then how do you know german bruh
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how do you brew baby bruh i don’t know how you pronounce it i’m not sure bro go
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to german house and find out you have to go to the german house oh yes we’ll go to german house i’ll show them this
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graphic and say what does this speak to you and then they’ll make us leave so yeah so guys thanks again so much for
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being on i do want to give each of you a chance to do final thoughts although that kind of ended up being similar to final thoughts but if if there’s
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anything else say any of you want to plug or promote anything that you wanted to talk about uh each one of you i’ll start with larry then go to joanna and
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then go to lauren and then we will close out larry the advocates.org
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is the place to go libertarianism.com is the place to go if you want to see me
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you can always go to larrysharp.com you can check me out i pretty much did say everything i just
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want people to to get an idea that third parties can rise can be relevant and
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this year south by southwest this is just one small panel that we’re we’re starting and we are planning on making
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things bigger and better next year so if someone’s out there listening and you’re thinking oh man i wish i knew about this
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before let’s i want to be involved reach out to me um you can find me at joanna
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in texas on twitter or pretty much anywhere around i’m i’m there and um
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yeah let’s talk because we’re we’re gonna do this we’re gonna we probably will have our flying car house so
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whatever we’re gonna have we’re gonna make things bigger and better next year so this this is just our tiptoeing into
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south by southwest join us yes awesome and for those of you who are interested
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in some of the opportunities for election reform mentioned today in the bro code or the robe movement
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we will add those resources to the landing page at libertylive.us
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so the advocates.org libertarianism.com more about rank the vote and rank choice
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voting more about election reform and those initiatives so
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think about how you can break the duopoly how you can be a part of this effort and be an advocate for changing
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your area we’re here to help you do it whether it’s on the mainstream stage
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or behind the scenes we hope we can help awesome and we also have some people in
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the comments that are running for office as uh libertarians who are putting their uh putting their various websites and
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information on there so go check all of them out as well libertylive.us the
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or dot org or the advocates.org libertarianism.com
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larrysharp.com libertylive.usmuddywatersmedia.com spikecohen.com uh folks uh so guys
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thanks again so much for uh coming on uh give me one second we’re gonna talk during the intro or during the outro
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folks thanks so much for tuning in to this amazing episode of my fellow americans uh so happy to have all of you
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we learned a lot today we learned that liberty can exist in our time we learned that we can work together with other
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third party candidates we learned that it’s the university of texas not texas university and we’ve learned of course
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that bro is the future and um i don’t want to give any context on that because you’ll have to watch the rest of this
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fellow americans again thanks so much for tuning in i’m spike cohen and you are the power
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bro god bless guys
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