Mr Bearded Truth – 44 – Bailouts are good, until they’re bad.

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with us but other than that we’ve got um we’ve got a show tonight of course everyone is talking about the education
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bailout um is it good is it bad a lot of people are conflicted because they’re gaining
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from it but at the same time they understand the principles aren’t really in their favor and of course it’s not
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anyone’s favorite it’s government solutions when does that work out for the benefit
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of us all stay tuned for another episode of it’s not um tonight we’re going to be talking
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a lot about that we’re going to be talking about that we’re of course going to have to talk a little bit about the ppp right the paycheck
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protection private i’ve got it written right here
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no i don’t i had it written there we go paycheck protection program we’re gonna be
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talking about that tonight as well um so we got a lot of good stuff we’re gonna be talking about thank you guys for
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hopping in here i appreciate you guys hitting the like button hitting the love button hitting the care react
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interacting with everyone else’s comments um for sharing this out because you know everybody wants to hear from
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the truth as the bio goes of course president biden declares this and of course it’s a great and beautiful thing
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because president biden has declared it to be as such ignore what may come of the future because he’s
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never going to address that of course as we should all expect but
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nonetheless what you guys come here to mighty waters media for is to be able to find out what
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it is that is actually going to be the blatantly in your face no joke going to happen so that we can
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sit here we can become informed we can know what happened historically and of course what’s happening in the future uh
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it is what it is but so tonight we’re going to be talking a little bit about that
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um so i’m excited for this conversation i’m of course always excited to be sitting down talking with you guys the
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wonderful muddy mudskateers and the the non-subscribers as well
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um i love you guys all but before we get into the all of the conversation and and knock out all the details so you can be
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equipped with all the conversations whether they’re in favor or against or what have you we got to talk a little
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of course and of course if spike cohen is listening don’t try it on my internet capable uh capable devices
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it is what it is but a big shout out of course to the one and
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only dwayne lester for the mug we’ll be sipping on that water
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having a great time with it but tonight what you guys are coming here to talk about is of course
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millions of americans are getting bailed out and uh the economic
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the economics around this is is of course disastrous right whenever we talk about government
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government involving is all disastrous let’s hear about the rationale let’s hear about the reason let’s see if it if
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it passes the sniff test for you if this is a good thing i want to hear your guys’s commentary on this is this a good
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thing um whether you’re listening at the beginning of the show or at the end of the show whenever you’re listening i
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want to know what are your thoughts on um on this recent bailout
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um of of forgiving some student loans is this a good thing is this a bad thing
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there’s a lot of of of quick and easy arguments that we’re seeing out there um but i want to know your guys i want to
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see where you where your temperature is um we’re going to talk about that as
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well scientific so president biden did
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come out and declare so this is one of the the very few things that president biden on the campaign trail promised to
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do and in office he’s somewhat doing this
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um he has declared that they will be providing up to twenty thousand dollars
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for uh pell grant uh recipients with loans held by the department of education and up to
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ten thousand which is the more common route in debt cancellation for non-pell grant recipients so a lot of families a
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lot of people out there with student loans are about to see ten thousand dollars be removed from their overall
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tax burden or from their overall loan burden on them um when it comes to colleges there’s a lot of people out
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there we’ve seen the memes kind of the the more extreme person may have 120 150
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200 000 in debt um this isn’t this isn’t helping them at all of course this is looking at
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people who maybe 10 15 20 000 in student loan debts where this
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is going to take off a huge chunk of that this is going to help alleviate some of that interest that’s bearing on
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those accounts and when they potentially um or presumably based on the the
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legislation being put forth in december of 23
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so sorry january of 24 is when they will resume making payments on those or when interest will will begin accruing again
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this will help lighten those loads and this is kind of is the theory behind that um
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and so a lot of people are concerned with how did this come about this is the first big conversation we’re gonna get
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into is how did he justify coming in and basically declaring this is this is the
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path forward and this is um this is totally something that he’s allowed to do well
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no it’s not of course this is a president so he has article two um to justify what actions he can and
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cannot do and of course power of the purse being money that’s an article one
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where he declared in his statement putting out putting this out um was from the
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american rescue plan this was passed last year in 2021 what that did was that
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basically gave him an empty check and he said hey if you would like to
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cancel some student loans go ahead go at it bud you it make it yours do what you want to do so that
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in in a convoluted disgusting way in a way that i don’t like to see
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congress abdicated that power to him and so he’s utilizing the american
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rescue plan now in that american rescue plan this also did um did disrupt the
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taxable portions of this um i know i was somebody who shared it out originally um and i was corrected on it i
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i was on my phone so if you guys have noticed on facebook you guys are no longer able to edit your posts on facebook from your
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phone you can do it on your pc i just have not gone back to do this um but in the american rescue plan this
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actually did make it towards a non-taxable income um typically you’d see a 1099-c
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or when you have debts be you know forgiven um it’s considered a
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taxable offense because everything is a taxable offense when it
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comes to government um but from that these people who are receiving that
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they’re not going to see if they have ten thousand dollars of loans forgiven they’re not going to see
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their their income raise up ten thousand dollars to to make the difference um that you typically
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would when a loan is forgiven in that way [Music]
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and matt baxley is making an excellent distinction that i meant to bring up in the beginning this is only for
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government backed loans student loans uh it doesn’t apply to the private loans um
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this is yes this is only for those government-backed loans and so this is this is going to be
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something we’re going to talk about a little bit of the effects later on of course um around this
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um but in this statement as well so he said the twenty thousand for the pell grants ten
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thousand dollars for the uh for the non-pell grant recipients um he spoke about doing his uh
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this is where it’s important to bring this up president trump in october of 20 so ie a
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month before we voted uh for his re-election or for joe biden or for
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spike cohen and who he was running with um
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president trump put out there that he was going to you know do the similar thing do the same thing
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of you know help help alleviate some of those student loans so what we saw from
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a lot of the art and trump supporters was either a silence or b um supporting it a lot of them didn’t
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want to go counteract against them because they saw that one he was doing this uh for
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political means for a political aim of garnering more votes of getting more people to corral around him so they
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were quiet for political purposes they weren’t quiet because they were against this they
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they were in support of this because they wanted president trump to be um
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to gain that popular support it’s one of those things where you easily get to point out when partisans are partisan
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because now you’re seeing a lot of these people come out and they are vocal they are adamant against this and it’s the
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right stance to take this is not something that’s going to be to the benefit of of the people it’s not a benefit to us the people um because
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people that are taking out loans today are not going to get this ten thousand dollars forgiven um this is you know this is only those
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people at that time this isn’t a future bearing thing where ten thousand dollars comes off of every uh college tuition
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but we’ll talk about a little bit more about that here in a little bit you can still edit posts on your mobile
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hold on but i just got fact checked and now i’m mad because i’ve got a different facebook than you’ve got
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that’s upsetting but i apologize back to um
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so so in short on that partisans are going to partisan they’re partisan as hard as they can partisan um but that’s
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why you guys come to mighty waters media so we can give you guys the uh the thick and the skinny of it all
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um in this statement as well from president biden he says it’s gonna help borrowers of all ages now this is one of
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those interesting things um it was interesting for me to see just the demographic breakdown it wasn’t it’s
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not something that like is a deciding factor on if this is good or not right if we if we help out all
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the boomers i’m suddenly in support or if we don’t help any boomers i’m suddenly against it um
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because we have principles here but the borrowers who are going to be
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eligible for the relief 21 are 25 years or younger so these are people who
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couldn’t take out a massive business loan these are people who arguably can’t rent a hotel room can’t
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rent a car but they do have massive amounts of of student loans um
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i would say ten thousand dollars is a massive student loan it’s it’s a gamble you’re you’re gambling that not only are
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you going to finish this education track but that this education track is going to pay for that loan and then some right
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more than what you would have gained by not taking that track um again we’ll discuss more of that 44 are
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between 26 and 39 so that’s us millennials um this is brian cherry’s on my side he can’t edit
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um 44 are between 26 and 39 so a lot of us millennials that’s who the biggest
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demographic is but the people above 40 is still 35
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so there’s still a massive chunk of of the older generations including those boomers um
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just an interesting little tidbit there i didn’t want to bring this up and for comedic reasons i wanted to bring this
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one up is going to advance racial equity there you go it’s it’s
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student loan forgiveness is racial equity
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wow um i’m not even going to dive into that
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racial equity proud of them proud of them everything everything it’s gotta be racial equity
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um so going off of what matt had commented
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earlier and going off into this conversation how does this work because there’s a lot of people that are saying
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you know this is just a direct payout this is just money that’s being printed out and
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being provided well yes and no the way that this works is that these loans are backed by the
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federal government and so that means that when it doesn’t work the government will
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print the money sure but when the government comes through and the government says to the government that hey these loans don’t
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need to get paid anymore this is ten thousand dollars yeah there’s
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it’s not paying itself but the thing that is lost within this the thing that
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is lost within this is that the interest part of those accounts are lost because people are
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making those interest uh making those payments which includes the interest which is where if you as a
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reference earlier the there there was an individual who posted about them paying for i think it was like 30 years on 120 000
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debt and paying the bare minimum after all that time their overall loan
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is eight dollars more than what it was before
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and so when you have that money that interest that they’re no longer paying on that that’s gone so that’s money
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that’s lost that would have been part of the revenue um so that money that would have been a part of the revenue now
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is a deficit in that way when it looks to the expense sheet so
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we’re going to have to replace that either a with the printing of dollars be with an increased revenue through other means so higher taxes or through more
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grabs of smaller amounts whatever what have you but we’re going to see where that kind
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of that grappling comes out this is where that hurts so that’s just on the financial side of
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the federal government on the other side of the conversation is what we’re going to see a continuing of
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certainly and this is something that was even backed by them they they president biden put this in
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his statement back in 78 we’re going to talk about
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what happened in 78 but back in 78 something happened and ever since then if you look at that
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orange line and i’m sorry if you guys are audio only but the orange line starts at about eight thousand dollars
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for tuition and by 2021 we’re at 24 000 22 000 and
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what that means is that we’ve done more than double we’ve done two and a half times two 2.6 times um an increase
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in the cost of tuition since then
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so what we’re going to see from this is that when the government says hey don’t worry you’re still going to get your
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money we’re still going to get our money everyone’s going to continue to get their money no matter what it is
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we’re going to see those college tuition rates continue to go up per semester yes i apologize per semester
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we’re going to continue to see those rates go up we’re going to see the climbing of those college tuitions
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the department of labor continually every two years drops a
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a sheet a graph showing the the cost of different things and and you
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can see which ones are are have more and more government intervention in them
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in which ones the government just kind of lets it do its own thing because you can see the cost over time increase for
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when the government gets involved and decrease in the in the areas where government doesn’t this is going to be the same thing where
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we’re going to see an increase in those costs now what did happen in 1978 i’m
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not asking 71 of course coming off the gold standard just made fiat but what happened in 78 was actually
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something that president biden supported this was the middle income students assistance act and what this did was the
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federal government basically said hey i still want to collect my money even if
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you go bankrupt and so part of this and so a part of this bill
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of the middle income student’s assistance of 1978 was that the federal government
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was going to ensure that your student loans even if you declared bankrupt
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would still be looming over your head would still be holding over you so that meant that loaners no longer
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really had to care about could you afford to pay this because no matter what they’re going to get theirs
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everybody is going to get theirs so that meant that they could jack up those prices
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so they did so that’s why it was amazing that they pointed this out for us that’s why we’ve seen this
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continual increase that’s one of the many reasons why we’ve seen the continuing increases for the
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uh semesters for the cost of semesters at schools across the country
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we’re going to continue seeing this because the government can never realize
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that they’ve been a massive part of the problem but they think that they will
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they could ever be a part of the solution it’s it’s it’s terrible
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just a reminder spike
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so it it’s something that we’re going to see the cost of tuition rise we are
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going to see where more inflation right we just had the inflation reduction act which is more aptly called we’re going
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to push a little bit more of green energy we’re going to we’re going to look at healthcare we’re going to look at this we’re going to look at that
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we’re going to not address the infrastructure or actually was addressing infrastructure
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we’re not going to touch the inflation we’re not going to address the inflation
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we’re not going to reduce the inflation we come out with this which this is just going to counteract that in the same way
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um it’s okay i see by show of hands who is surprised by this no one here no one
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here so we see just of it takes them two weeks to fact check themselves they
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don’t care about the inflation they don’t care about the devaluing of money they don’t care about the hardships that they’re creating as long as they can win
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out the votes as long as they can they can send you a couple crumbs and at the end of the day who they’re bailing out
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is not these families they’re not bailing out families families haven’t had to pay these in a
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long time families haven’t had to make payments on their federally backed student loans since before president
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biden came into office they could continue that that would
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that would arguably do the same thing but this reduction is doing
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is is taking another step on this so they’re not really doing too much but
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they are going to reap the benefits and certainly these colleges will continue to reap the
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benefits as well now i’ve got something
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now i’ve got something that is controversial for a lot of people and i’m going to say it and i’m going to say
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it boldly and i’m going to say it confidently if you supported
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the paycheck protection program the ppp loans and you don’t support this there’s an
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inconsistency there if you support one and you support the other
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you have flawed logic but you at least are consistent and if you are like me and you didn’t
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agree with either of them hey i appreciate your consistency and being
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right you know but because there’s a lot of people out
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there that are trying to separate these two things and let’s talk about
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let’s talk about what happened government got involved government made
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it more difficult for families they made it more difficult for commerce they made it more difficult
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for people to um to live out their lives they made it more difficult for commerce to happen
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amongst voluntary people of consenting
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people they realized that there was a problem and then they performed a bailout which one was i describing both
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of them of course the difference is of course is that people want to focus on the ppp because
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it happened drastically and arguably overnight march 17 2020
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if you will which was when it was a national emergency because of covet and then
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everyone scrambled freaked out we started listening to ridiculous people that should have never been listened to in the first place they shut down our
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economies they forced people to stay home they told you that you weren’t essential
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for the nation for your state for your city for your town for your family they told you to stay home
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they realized that they had destroyed this economy and then they decided that they were going to help out some businesses by giving them these ppp
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loans is it was a tragic situation i was i was torn up i was upset we were on here on
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this platform i was out there in the streets yelling banging my drum talking about how they were destroying
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the lives economically how they were going to hurt us socially and how they were destructive to every means
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by the solutions that they were giving us and so people see that because it’s so in your
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face and they say well the ppp loans were good i may not agree with bailouts i may not
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agree with the handouts i may not agree with the way that these function but these people needed help
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i agree government [ __ ] up they [ __ ] up bad
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they destroyed lives the abuse the spousal abuse the child abuse
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the suicides the homicides the drug overdoses
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the alcoholism the just the destruction the sheer
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destruction that families felt as a result of the coveted lockdowns prescribed by our government
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officials was destructive and and completely agreed that it was
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unwarranted but then people got bailed out and you may find that justifiable that’s fine
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you can believe those things i did not find that agreeable i did not find that to be a good solution because we cited
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the inflation we cited that the problem was too much government and now just picking winners and losers isn’t going
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to be a better solution this is why we saw businesses thrive during covid where we saw businesses thrive coming out of
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covet was because they were hand selected by different legislators by different governments in order to be
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held to bring to the finish line to be more successful than others
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i didn’t find that to be great i don’t like it when government chooses winners and losers so i didn’t support the ppp
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you may support that and that’s fine but at the end of the day it was because government actions that they they had
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done is why people believe that the government solution was okay i’m not of that camp
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when it comes to the education well these kids weren’t nobody forced them to go to school nobody forced them
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to go to school so why would i be forced to pay their loans well why why are any of us paying any of us
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why are any of us paying for the rest of society because some stupid social construct
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but beyond that when we look at things like occupational licensing wherein governments are
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forcing people to go to school in order to perform their jobs they’re kind of forcing people to go to
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school when nobody needs to go be a doctor nobody needs to be a lawyer nobody needs to be an architect nobody needs to be
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society kind of needs these roles i can agree that we don’t need the occupational licensing necessarily i i
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do like the way that larry sharp describes it where if you can trust your neighbor to do it maybe you don’t need a
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license for it you don’t need if you’re getting a bowl cut
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haircut with the bowl bring it back to the 90s the 80s if you’re getting a bowl cut you can
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trust your neighbor to do it you shouldn’t probably have to have a degree to go do that in the barber shop
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but that’s something that occupational licensing hits on but the occupational licensing the requirements of those things drove up
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the costs we already spoke about how when you make it to where you can’t go bankrupt and and remove those debts
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we’ve upped the cost um but it also drove up the need the necessity with the occupational
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licensing it also when you have when you want to give yourself the best opportunity you
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can to be successful you want to be trained or you want to have experience or you want to have knowledge in those fields before you go into them
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or you know be able to gain those through other means right apprenticeship or through educational uh ways of doing
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it so of course people are going to take the education route they’re going to go
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and take the loans and be able to do this because businesses aren’t going to give you a loan to become an apprentice
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and they’re not going to pay you so you can sit there and jot down notes all day long so this is kind of in a large way the
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way the society is being moved because of government not in spite of government
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so we force people to go to school we we culturally push people to go to school we we don’t send them to go be plumbers
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and electricians and things like that where the occupational trade schools are much
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lower than the traditional colleges no we send them to the colleges we culturally tell them that they need to
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go to the colleges they go to the colleges they collect these loans and then we go well sucks asaki you chose to
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take the loans and it’s like man so our government and our society is pushing more and more people to go to
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these schools they take these loans they fail out of schools they don’t they don’t actually participate in the
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schools they they fail out they drop out or they just find out that
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[ __ ] i went to school when i was 18 years old i didn’t know what i wanted to do so i went to school and i found out that
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the track i was going on isn’t what i want to do so then they change tracks and they
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still have the loans from those but then they have the loans from the new track and so we are putting all of this
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responsibility on an 18 year old’s shoulders and going well it sucks to suck you made a bad decision suck it up
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buttercup sounds like they didn’t they may have had a choice but they didn’t really have
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too much of a choice most people ask anybody who’s young they have two really big decisions in their
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life that they made military or go to college
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if that’s the the if that’s the dichotomy of peop that people are receiving we don’t really get to tell
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them too much that it was just that it was just their decision
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so on those grounds the way that the government has made
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tuition so much more costly so much more burdensome so much more unobtainable for
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the average joe schmo to do it without loans they’re just as reprehensible just as
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accountable in this action so that’s why i will not differentiate between the ppp
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bailouts and then the the student loans bailouts both of these bailouts are terrible both of these were brought on
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because of too much government involvement in those markets in those in the way that people were functioning
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on their own and so i’m not going to welcome their solution
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as a means to the end because at the end of the day the end is
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only going to be worse as they get more involved as we’re seeing from the ppp loans as well as from these student
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loans where we’re going to see a devaluing of our currency we’re going to see our fiat worth be worth even less
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than it is today at a higher rate we’re going to continue battling inflation
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we are going to see where college tuition rates are going to continue going up we saw where as a result of
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those ppp loans and a lot of the other involvements engagements and everything else in the market
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where there’s a much larger disconnect between the large businesses the big amazons the
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walmarts etc and then the middle middle class businesses and then the barrier to get
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into the businesses to start up a business that’s even higher now as well we are quickly moving and shifting our
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entire society our entire country to the major
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major businesses into the to the rich and wealthy there is a bigger divide going on right now and it’s because of
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government not in spite of government so i want welcome to adult
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so i want to give all this to you guys and and i realize i’m getting a little bit
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emotional over this because it’s so frustrating blame it on blame it on the a blame it
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on the anarchy i mean but i’m i’m not a fan of sitting here and
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going well some of these bailouts are good because people were hurting people are hurting in both circumstances i
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haven’t seen a good argument yet that will separate and divide these two well enough for me to go all right maybe i
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can look at these under different things maybe these are our apples oranges right now i’m seeing them as just
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two rotten eggs and it’s not it’s not to the benefit of our society today nor tomorrow nor next week
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um but i wanted to talk to you guys about all of that i also wanted to make sure that
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i talked to you guys about well just a big thank you and a shout out um if you guys have not noticed matt
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i want to give a shout out and i thank you to matt and spike for always giving me a platform to come out here to talk to you guys about my views my stances my
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opinions on things and next week i’ve got a lieutenant governor for south carolina candidate coming on jessica
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etheridge it’s going to be one hell of a conversation uh typically don’t have too many candidates coming on but i will
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definitely make an exception for her she is one hell of a friend of mine and i am so excited for that conversation
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um i spoke in the past about americans for prosperity in columbus ohio with the
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criminal justice reform summit that has been moved to the november
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to the november 11th and 12th in columbus ohio i will get you guys more details on that soon make sure you guys
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are if you guys are in the columbus ohio region area if you guys are within a couple hour drive come out see me
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see kelsey line keep see spike cohen i believe jessica etheridge will be there so you guys are gonna see her there
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potentially as well but you’ll see a lot of other fantastic people chrissy wickers um a lot of fantastic people in
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the liberty movement will be there and plenty more yes after the election joe get out there
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please scientific libertarian that’s funny
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um i like that as well joe uh your comment from larry sharp
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but outside of that where do i have to go
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that’s it that’s it and hey guys check this out i’ve got an outro love you guys i will
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