Mr Bearded Truth – 29 – Discerning candidates with David Fite

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today i’ve got a hell of a show lined up i’ve got the one and only david fight coming on to talk about candidates as we
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look into the future as we see the libertarian party convention coming up at the end of next month as we see a
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midterm elections coming up this november as we see the primaries ongoing now uh
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how do you decide on what a good candidate is how do you determine whether they’re telling you the truth or
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just telling you what you want to hear um and of course how can you really fact
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check a candidate based on what they’re saying within their messaging so a lot of great
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information today centering around um all the different elections coming up and so i think it’s
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incredibly important that as we move into this uh area uh of time that we have these
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discussions because all too often we kind of get lacks and we we build up our
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our views and everything else so i’m excited to have this conversation today with david fight um but of course before
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revolutionize the way that people look at you and your endeavors who almost took out the wrong thing
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there um and with that i’m so happy to have him come back david
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has been an amazing man uh a principled man and been making uh some moves and and
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shaking things up a bit so i’m excited to have him back david how’s it going man
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for having me back on the show that’s great absolutely absolutely welcome back and uh so
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uh last time we had you on we were talking i believe that one was a little bit about cannabis and and freedom and
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everything else and maybe wrong because it may have been on your podcast i don’t remember uh yes we’ve done a couple
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episodes together and they all kind of blur for me too because last time we did yours and mine almost back to back it
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was like we did a week and a half to each other i don’t know which conversation was in which episode yeah no but it was a it was a fantastic time
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every time and and so i’m glad to have you back and um getting to know you and seeing kind
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of what you’ve been doing the reason why i wanted you to come on to talk about this topic is because you’re not
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somebody who we would call a partisan person in in the absolute terms you look beyond
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the party in order to find great candidates you engage on a level that most people aren’t accustomed to you
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work for campaigns you work with campaigns you work with candidates that you don’t agree everything upon you work
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to influence them to change them so you’ve got a wealth of knowledge in
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this arena of let’s see how we can actually affect candidacies or and how we can affect
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elections um so laying that out you’re currently working on a campaign
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that’s not libertarian one correct it’s an independent one and i think that
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that may be a way forward for us to make some changes um my first question to you as we dive into
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this how do you when you’re sitting at home and you’re like i want to work for a campaign what are the first couple
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things that that come to your mind before you hop on board with somebody
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well to be perfectly honest with you the the first step is how did i find out about it like
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the campaign that i’m working on right now uh i’m working for a man named christopher thrasher who’s a longtime
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libertarian party uh yeah he’s been all over doing every i
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don’t know what job title to give him uh mostly he’s a campaign manager um and i got connected with him about this job
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through jeff smears who’s also an amazing wonderful human who i love dearly and would do almost anything for
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so when people like that come to me with a candidate i’m already
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interested and listening uh even if i didn’t like the guy i might have taken this job just because it was just chris
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um then on top of that uh his he
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his background is not in politics and his platform although
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kind of uh weak in my mind uh not not fully put
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together yet uh it’s all dedicated to being a non-partisan non-duopoly voice
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in congress being a third option on the ballot uh the only like really normal policy planks that he hits
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on is he is pro cannabis and pro-vaccine but anti-mandate so like he walks the line on the the
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vaccine stuff he actually did uh like he self-funded and fundraised to fund a big
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psa campaign when the boosters came out about like talking to your family and friends about getting boosted which i
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don’t agree with it but i’d rather somebody with money and time and energy
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be doing this privately trying to encourage people than be advocating for mandates or laws or anything like that
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so he’s i think his head is in the right place yeah um so yeah and he’s he’s an independent he
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has a better shot at winning this election than a libertarian or a democrat would um
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and honestly the really weird thing is that i have been asked i’ve been here for like two and a half weeks now i have
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been asked at least seven or eight times if he was running as a libertarian by people who are gathering their
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signature uh because i’m in indiana where the word libertarian isn’t a curse word like it is in most states so it’s
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kind of awesome right like the honestly it’s been such a white pill being here in indiana and
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just talking to people on a daily basis that know what the word libertarian is know what it means and
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has a positive opinion of it that’s that is that is nuts and and um i
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want to i want to dissect a little bit of that so you you said that um your candidate doesn’t exactly have like a
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big history in in politics and i think that that’s something that you know a lot of us
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a lot of voters really resonate with that because it’s the idea that they aren’t
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they aren’t tainted yet and um but i think another important aspect
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of that is that they are impressionable um if you have experience in this realm
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if you have a good philosophy you can kind of take a little bit of that um
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look i i’ll take you under my wing and help you kind of be able to form opinions around these um
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these stances that you have and work with them in order to to move them on them i think that um we spoke before
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previously about i’m dropping her name the libertarian heartthrob from the
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democrat party ran for president oh tell us the gabriel tulsi gave it there we go oh my word how about that name drop uh
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but you you worked with her and you helped influence some of her stances on things
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um that’s somebody who’s been within the party that’s somebody who’s been within the democrat party that’s somebody who’s
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been growing around this for for some time but somebody who’s new who’s from the
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outside you have that ability to influence them and i think that that’s important for us as we as we look out um
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as predominantly libertarians being viewers of this if you can find that outsider who has
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some good stances some stances you agree with right not being in favor of mandates
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how can you influence them on things to help give them a better view on things
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i think that that’s incredibly important so you know as you’re working with this candidate now are you
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i don’t know if you can actually talk about it but are you are you attempting to help influence in other areas where
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he doesn’t have a strong leaning one way or the other uh bits and pieces and i i will kind of
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step around what what i shouldn’t talk about but i can walk that line pretty easily at the moment we’re really just
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working on getting the campaign up and running policy is a secondary issue to
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getting him on the ballot at the moment uh right now we’re getting him on the ballot on the basis of give a third
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option in this election uh and an outside voice in congress if he wins uh like we’re just pushing that
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once he’s on the ballot we’ve launched fully uh because because honestly we’re kind
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of trying to run a a fairly quiet campaign for the moment until the end of june when the fec filings come out and
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uh we show that we’ve raised way more money than anyone thinks we’re raising
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right now so we’re trying to stay quiet until that makes us not be able to be quiet anymore
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and then come out loud like look we are an independent campaign with this much money we have are already on the ballot
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we’re already running and here’s the thing so we want to kind of already have that when we launched so we’re staying quiet
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so policy is not really a big issue right now uh as soon as that becomes more of what we’re talking about yes i
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will i’ll be working with him and really the to go back to your original question one
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of the things that i look for in a candidate is the ability to bring things up if the
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candidate is in it for the right reasons and they are kind of this outsider like we’re talking about they care about the
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people but they don’t know necessarily what the people care about so if you can bring issues to them and
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be like hey this is something that a lot of people care about that has a simple solution that we can offer people and here’s the policy plan here’s how it
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works go for it and you know they’re either going to take that and run with it or they’re not
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the kind of candidate that i want to be working with unless they have a really good reason why they’re not going to take that and run with it
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but for the most part if if they’re not going to listen to those kinds of suggestions they’re not
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going to listen to those same kind of suggestions from their constituents after they’re elected yeah no absolutely i think that that’s
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an incredible point um i kind of want to i kind of want to shift gears a little
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bit and thinking about this as as somebody who’s not going to be engaged in the voter um kind of some of the
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process because as we have like libertarian party convention coming up at the end of may um there’s a lot of
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a lot of seats being filled a lot of seats being filled and a lot of candidates vying for your vote some of
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them are out there aggressively trying to you know keep their name in the hat and we’ve got different caucuses working
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for their candidates and helping get them get them awareness but when it comes to specific
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individuals what are some of the things that you kind of look for when it comes to
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who you’ll support who you’ll vocally support and who you’ll endorse
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as far as the lnc goes uh my one and only concern is how will
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they do at that job uh a secondary concern is how good of a
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person are they uh you know i i do take their moral character into account
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somewhat but i’ll be perfectly honest with you it’s like far below the how are they going to do with the
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job so for instance the two loudest endorsements that i’ve made for lnc right now are taught to go been for
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treasurer and eric broadset for vice chair those two people have demonstrated in their careers that they can not only
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do the job that they’re running for but they can do that job for an organization 10 times as big yeah they’ve done it
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they continue to do it they’ve done it better than anyone else in the party tata gopian has managed more money uh at
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a time than the libertarian party has ever received in donations over its entire 50 years combined like that’s
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just an objective fact yeah he knows what he’s doing and he’s going to be a great treasure no disrespect to tim
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hagan he’s been good so far but he’s keeping us here and todd can bring us up
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i think the same thing about eric rodsep he not only can do the job of vice chair but he actually has
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bylaw amendments in place or like being proposed in reno that would make that job a little bit harder uh give him a
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little bit more not even power or authority just responsibility and will be able to do
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that because he wants to split chair and vice chair into like ceo co basically
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which i coming from a business background i think that’s an incredible idea and i think rob steph being a
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former ceo multiple times over could do that uh so like those two people absolutely
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amazing for the jobs that they’re running for and i support them wholeheartedly like i i also both i also
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like both of them as humans i think they’re both great people but if fraudstep was
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kind of a dick i would still be supporting him i just also think he’s amazing i i there’s
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there’s a a saying that i heard that’s like you want to hire somebody for the job
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you don’t want to hire them because they’re a good person and and speaking to that idea there there are certain things of course that
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i i will be like you know of course this will take you out of the race for me if you do this that or the
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other but i think that at the end of the day right do you want a surgeon who’s going to perform surgery on you
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to be a good person or to be a good surgeon like and and so i agree with that and that’s
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something i feel like a lot of people have to grapple with you don’t have to like the person but if that person is
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going to be good in that job um you and and of course we’ll dive into
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how do we discern who’s going to be doing a good job who how do how do we take what they say on the
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campaign trail of what they’re going to do and how do we measure that to be able to make sure that we’re
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making the right decision because of course everyone on the campaign trail has their campaign managers or has
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somebody in their ear telling them this is what you have to say but at the end of the day when you look
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at their track records it’s like you started talking about this as soon as you start a campaign and
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before that you were amongst the crowd amongst the mob pushing for for division
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now you’re calling for unity um i i like the pick um
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that you said of todd hagopia um i i like i haven’t had many interactions with
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eric so i i can’t say one way or the other on there i heard that there’s a potential candidate
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who’s going to be announced nominated the day of in reno uh i’m kind of excited i’m aware
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yeah i’m kind of excited for that one uh so if you guys are in the audience of course stay tuned i may be talking about
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that the week before the show before convention happens so stay tuned for
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the state of the lp with jason lyon um but i think that you know looking at the
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chair race this is probably the most well-known race in the entire lp right now for the lmc
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right to become the chair right now you’ve got three major contenders that are are kind of vying for the top you’ve
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got uh angela mcardle you’ve got tony dorazio and you’ve got steve dosblock
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these are three people that don’t fall into the same group as one another these are very diverse candidates and and so
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you know looking at their rhetoric on the campaign trail versus how they are in normal day politics i think is
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important um and of course that’s up for the viewer to decide on on how to look at that but
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talk me through a process of how you how you would look at them and how you’d
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make a determination if you were to come in right now into the party and look at those three how
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would you determine which one you’d pull the lever for it’s a great question and while i while
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i think of how i want to answer that i want to say something real quick because especially if people watched my last
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episode on your show and i get this question a lot on twitter because i’m not in the party anymore right so i get
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asked a lot why i give a [ __ ] about any of this why i’m even going to reno because i’m not a delegate um i’m not
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going to be voting for any of these candidates but i have endorsed some of them and i’ve had the chair debate and i do care
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and the reason that i care is because i’m leaving the party not because i hate it but because i want to put my energy elsewhere i need the libertarian party
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to still exist succeed and grow next to me while i’m doing other things so that’s why i care i want to see it
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succeed i’m not one of those leave it and burn it down kind of people so i just want to
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make that perfectly clear because there’s a lot of people that are leaving and trying to throw matches and
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lit bombs behind them as they leave i’m not gonna i’m not like that i need the lp to succeed uh as far as the chair
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candidates if i was joining the party right now and i had no idea about any of the
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history about anything my choice would be pretty easy and it would be angel guard
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okay uh the how would you come to that conclusion
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uh purely based off of her her time and dedication to things that i
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think actually matter uh her work with the uh the masked mandate uh petitions both in
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la and new york city especially the fact that she did it in new york city because she doesn’t live there uh doing stuff in
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la was cool that’s her home city like i’m all for working local that’s awesome the fact that she also did something in
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the state of the other side of the country where no one in the new york city ld had the
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balls to do that uh but angela mcardle from california is doing more for freedom for new york city
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residents than the city party is so like that’s a big deal for me uh and honestly
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watching the mises caucus grow and do this takeover if i didn’t know how they started or
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what their how [ __ ] their original rhetoric was and how they came in attacking almost exclusively my caucus
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and my friends i would have appreciated watching them come in and grow and seeing all of these
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young fairly decent looking fairly personable like the macy’s caucus doesn’t fit the
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autistic neck beards from their mom’s basement like stereotype like the rest of the lp does they’re actually like
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normal-ish people bro mine i need to shave more than you do bro
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but your beard looks amazing i appreciate that um but
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no and and of course i don’t want to i don’t want to dive into the topic of like mises versus anti-macy’s um because
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i think that that that should be left for the party members i think you know kind of
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jumping off a little a bit of the bandwagon what you’re talking about there of not being a part of the party
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but still needing the party to be successful i think that that resonates with so many people because we’re seeing
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so many people in the party leave they’re not trying to throw those matches they’re just trying to grow
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and they’re saying look my energy my efforts would be better suited in other
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areas than working for this party i hope you guys are successful i hope that you guys can become that third party that’s
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actually just challenging the power structure and the everything there but you know i’m going to go work for
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this pack i’m going to go work for this organization i’m going to work with these legislators i’m going to go work with these communities and the
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grassroots and the criminal justice system yada yada yada where they can have immensely more impact in our
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communities and make changes um so you know as as i’m looking out and i’m
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working with other organizations i go yeah i’m not dedicating the same amount of time to the lp there’s a reason for
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that um so i think that that’s important so i think that you hit on a lot of good
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notes there of like talking about what has this candidate done um you know you you mentioned angela
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mcardle where she was working across the country as a chair or as as an individual in
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order to promote liberty so she’s not just stuck in where she is she um
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she did come from the basis of freedom and liberty on that i mean as we talk as covet is still a
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centerpiece for a lot of people to discuss for it’s not my forte it’s not something i like to
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argue about much but as people do have those discussions this was a very pivotal point in this nation
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in recent history and she was out there in the front runner that was that absolutely commendable so she’s got
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those things and i think that you know also talking about experience within the party experience of
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she was she is the chair or vice chair correct of l.a lh she’s the chair of l.a county and she’s
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the secretary of california state la county is a larger affiliate than i i
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think currently 27 of the state affiliates yep so so yeah it’s massive and and so i
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think that those are those are things that we have to look at when we’re trying to discern a candidate um looking
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at the work experience look at how their experience
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thinking about it from like a job interview you want to see the resume you want to see what they’ve done what
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things actually correlate right so if i’m going to go work in the grassroots they don’t need to know that i was pushing shopping carts at walmart for
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six months they didn’t know that i was engaging with customers while pushing shopping carts and so finding things
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that are relevant within the history of what has she done to accomplish this and and of course we can go through the
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other two candidates as well and kind of their experience and where their their background comes from um
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but that’s a big one and i think campaigning also highlights another big
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topic in this as we look at you know cajun libertarian had a a debate uh
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amongst the three chairs and and we’ve seen a couple other people doing that as well i think you said you had one as
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well i did just the two uh it was after dosbach announced but like a few days
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and i don’t like steve and i don’t like i was having a debate between the two people i was considering for chair uh
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and does box not on my short list okay um so but so we’ve seen these and so we’ve
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seen how they’re engaging on the campaign trail if you will i don’t know if we can
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call the campaign trail because mostly it’s all virtual but um it’s just weird just coming from that
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different scope but how do you discern who is speaking true to what they believe and and what they
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will do in office versus i’m saying this because it looks good on my campaign
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that’s a really good question because i don’t think any of the three people
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that we’re talking about right now are campaigning honestly in any way shape or form i think
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and i really don’t like talking [ __ ] about really any of these three people because i do respect all three of them
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um but angela has been too faced on more than
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one issue throughout this campaign uh she is a loudly pro-choice libertarian
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uh who has been very quiet about that over the last few months because of her
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caucus affiliation and what the leadership of that caucus wants uh there’s a few other issues similarly
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where she where angela is a better libertarian than most people give her credit for just because she’s quieter on
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the issues that actually count in my mind um not that i think that that’s an issue
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that’s a deal breaker for the record uh but so she’s already done that kind of stuff
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she’s been very pro like left libertarian like we want to bring in left libertarians libertarian socialists
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and grow the party and then a couple days later i get sent a different screenshot that’s basically the exact
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opposite uh you know agreeing with takes like lp new hampshire
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that like socialists start welcoming the party uh so i’ve seen her do that
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tony is basically the exact opposite he says neither he just is is a is a bland opinionless candidate
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just doesn’t really stand for anything and that’s why i don’t support him i’ve told him that to his face uh i think
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he’s wishy-washy and that’s not something that drives well
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with the head figure of a national political party you need to be able to actually
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have some of your own opinions and just being like yeah whatever the people want
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uh aaron burr you know i think that that’s that’s a an
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incredible thing right there because you kind of you said it without saying it but there’s a populist movement within
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the libertarian party and just being popular within the libertarians isn’t necessarily going to
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mean that you stand for libertarianism at the end of the day you’re going to stand for whatever people kind of want you to if you find that to be
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convincing as a member of the libertarian party and you say i want to have somebody who’s just going to
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kind of bend the way that 51 50 plus one says
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that’s the way you want to go on this um as opposed to you know i i
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i’ve sat down and i’ve tried to reason out every stance that i have against the
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libertarian philosophy to see if the libertarian philosophy is the correct decision or if what i’ve come to is the correct decision and i stand on those
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values indefinitely um i’m open for challenges i’m open for those things but
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my stance today is where i’m standing and and i don’t i won’t bend on that just because you say i well
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50 plus one want me want you to change that’s an incredible thing when it comes to a candidate how much of a populist
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are they or how much are they driven by principles um and that’s got to be something that you have to be able to discern um so we
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we we mentioned two of them you’ve already mentioned that you’re you don’t really like steve but for fairness let’s go ahead and and
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discuss him as well i mean he definitely so the the things that i will very much give steve is he
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has the experience so if if what you’re if you’re watching this and you’re still
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undecided and what you’re looking for is like well at least the party won’t crumble in the next two years before the
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next chair election like fec filings will go through all right like [ __ ] will still stay
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ish dosbach is probably your best choice uh he has us four steps backwards
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but still on the the platform that we’re on without like falling off into into like
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complete disarray uh so i will give him you know he was the chair he was an executive director he was joe’s campaign
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manager he has the experience however uh those three things that i just mentioned
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if you actually look at what he was doing while he was in those positions i have some critiques especially that last
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one because joe’s campaign was an absolute [ __ ] show granted um
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i don’t i don’t i don’t want to receive too much hate mail so i’ve got to give some some positive feedback for all three candidates that’s why i’m taking
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all this [ __ ] for you because like i can get hate mail from these guys i don’t care i’m living with tony dorazio’s
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campaign manager right now see there we go um so with angela one
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thing that i do like about her is that she does have a much bigger media presence than the other two um she is
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somebody who goes out there and gets onto debates philosophical libertarian debates she’s she’s not afraid to stick
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her neck out and and have those conversations and meet that conflict um
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in many circumstances um i think that that’s certainly some circumstances where she’s kind of driven around the
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bush a little bit but that’s fine um for tony i think that tony is probably the
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the person that i see as the most impressionable the one that we can
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actually see some difference because of maybe because of that populism but i’ve also challenged tony and johnny said
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jason you’re absolutely right like i was wrong in that instance i’m sorry i’m human like that there
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having humility i think is something that tony has a leg up on on the rest of
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of the competition and for steve you know being a former lnz chair having uh the numbers that he did and
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kind of understand the networking on the inside i think that that’s something that you know the party would be remiss without
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having so all three of them have got some some pitfalls of course some of them have some some positives who am i
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endorsing absolutely none of them um i i can’t endorse any of them um from a
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journalistic standpoint but also from a personal standpoint i have not made that endorsement and i don’t know that i will
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be but stay tuned potentially at the state of the lp i may make an endorsement um
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the week before convention i do want to mention one thing because i i gave the if you’re blank
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does buck is your candidate uh spiel i want to say the same thing for tony uh
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if you’re i think the the correct plan for if you’re a tony supporter is put
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tony in charge and then care much more who the rest of the lnc is uh because like you said the if if
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you put someone up there that’s gonna go with the 50 plus one you just got to make sure that the 50 plus one is going
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to always come to a principled opinion of some sort and i do think tony at the
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helm with a split lnc that’s coming to very very toughly negotiated contentious uh
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decisions i think he wouldn’t be terrible in that role uh just because he’s not going to
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try to push his opinion through that he will actually listen to the concerns of the the entire body
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um but again i just i don’t like him in a leadership role
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all right granted um that’s state drama like he’s from my state so we have we have
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all kinds of drama there yeah you got a lot of history there and that’s fine so i want to i want to take it away from the lp for a little bit and and get you
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into another another circumstance um so you are joshua living out in the
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middle of bfe you’ve got two candidates on your ballot one is democrat one is republican that’s
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it no third options you’ve got um i wanna know
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how do you decide on what your priorities are to find what what aligns with you as as we are libertarians small
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libertarians bagel libertarians we kind of have our own priority list as to what are the principles most valuable to
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me if you if you’re somebody who values like gun rights somebody who values you know um
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gun rights school choice things like that right that’s going to be on the right side of the aisle but you also value things like cannabis and criminal
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justice reform and healthcare how do you how do you determine
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um from your priority list the um the integrity of these candidates
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actually make a stand for what you believe in because i think that um to to reference why this is an important
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question is because we often see candidates that will campaign and say i’m going to fight for your gun rights
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and you have gun rights advocates say that’s my candidate
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he gets into office he or she gets into office and they go i’m not going to fight for that i’m going to go do this
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i’m going to go do that and everything else and so i think that there’s a lot of failures there how do you how do you find out when your priorities
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are in alignment with a candidate um that they’ll follow through or b um when you have two candidates that
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both are fighting for things higher in your priority list how do you determine which way you’re going to go with those
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so i’ll be honest i’ve never been in this hypothetical where there’s two great candidates on my ballot but i worked in
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a couple of camp on a couple campaigns where our opponent was decent um
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so my two priorities are guns and drugs uh which does make it kind of difficult
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you know what you’re talking about there uh and for me it comes down to
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where do they actually stand on those two things because every democrat for the most part unless they’re an idiot
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from like west virginia or virginia or you know some of those weird blue states that can still get away with this every
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democrat is broke campus i worked for tulsi gabbard because tulsi gabbard was straight up legalize heroin
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because the war on drugs is evil or decriminalized heroin at least yeah right
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that is a much different stance than your average democrat uh her and yang were the only two people
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that talked about anything past cannabis in the 2020 primary uh so like that’s
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above and beyond you can take a similar look at gun rights activists if they say oh i’m
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gonna fight for your gun rights because look at i have the nra’s endorsement
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i’m gonna laugh in your face the negotiated rights association
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so if they say i’m to fight for your gun rights because i think every gun law is unconstitutional and i want to see a
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repeal on this this or this then i will i will i’ll even
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be okay with you only being like pro-medical marijuana or something like that right yeah but you have to be at
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least pro-medical marijuana if you’re a republican and you have to at least
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not want worse gun laws if you’re a democrat or at least not much worse like tulsi
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gabbard and i disagreed on guns but she was still firmly pro-second amendment she just
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interpreted it differently than i do where obviously most other democrats are like
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oh the second amendment is dumb and we should get rid of it anyway you know she was handing out pocket constitutions and
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shouting down these moms that were saying oh your gun rights aren’t more important than my child’s life it has a
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comment that she got at a at a town hall and she argued with that person and shot them down as well as the crazy
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libertarian dude that was calling her a gun grabber and she like walked that middle ground and she actually had a
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principled stance so i could i could work with that uh you know if she was actually a gun grabber there was no way
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i would have been on that campaign so i think that the actual issue is when we just have
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like a checklist style with the policies it’s like oh they’re pro-drugs oh they’re pro guns they’re pro
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tax reform because those are boxes that are really easy to check through rhetoric and just [ __ ] yeah
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you need to actually figure out where on the spectrum of each of those issues they are and how liberty versus
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uh authoritarian um i was gonna say more just like uh
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man i’m spacing on that word whatever uh yeah if they’re if they’re just rhetoricing at you based off what their
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parties are used to then they’re probably not as pro liberty as they sound uh if they are willing to go against the
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grain to be even more pro-liberty than their own party then that’s where i’ll i’ll start to
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move no and that’s that’s an incredible distinction you brought something up that i
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it resonates so much with me so i live in a deep deep deep red area of a deep deep deep red state of south carolina
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um this is this is moga country this is trump country this is you know
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uh like downtown chicago sorry
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but it it it’s one of those things that every republican candidate says i’m pro-gun
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and i say my first question is how pro-gun is pro-gun right do you believe that the nfa is is
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just do you believe that it should exist do you believe that people should have fully automatic firearms or do you agree
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with kind of where we are and you’re just saying i’m pro-gun because i’m gonna stand where we are and and this will this will divide your
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entire field and and so it’s one of those things that as you said right you have to find out where they’re at on the
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spectrum and and i said authoritarian but maybe i was thinking more of like a pragmatist um or something else where it’s like are
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they going to stand up and be principled or are they going to let the flow be the flow and and so you know for me as those
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things are higher on the priority list it’s like i need to follow up with them
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you say you’re pro pro gun what does that mean how does that look in in your way don’t come
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and oftentimes what i see is um even some debates i’ve seen
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where you’re asking a candidate something and you give them the answer you want in your question
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you want to make these things as open as possible where you say how how pro-gun
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is pro-gun like what it what does that mean in your view and when they say well you know i believe in the second
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amendment okay what does that mean though right give me an give me a vision of what that means
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and that’s when you’ve got them squirming in their seat because they don’t know if you’re a pro-gun person anti-gun person where you’re at on the
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spectrum and it’s going to look terrible on them if they start asking you questions like
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i’m not ready for office but i’m trying to figure out if i should vote for you or not you got to put them on their spot a
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little bit and and so you know as as we reflect on on the election process
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and the campaigning process right we always look at the national level but i think that more importantly is looking at the local level where you
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can have these more intimate conversations i could send tulsi gabbard a thousand tweets she
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might not get me until until david fight retweets it at her um but but until that moment i’m probably not
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gonna get her but the guy that lives two streets down for me i could get him anytime i want to i’m gonna find out where he goes to get coffee i’m gonna
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sit down and have these conversations i’m going to make it ugly for them but we have to be able to discern those
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things as we’re looking at these candidates you have to know beyond the
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i don’t know the term is the talking points and so i i thought it was beautiful that
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you brought that up i think that’s an incredibly important distinction there um yeah go ahead
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i was just gonna say uh one of the other things that really gets me about this kind of stuff is especially
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uh libertarians and people within the liberty movement are very very jaded and
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i don’t say partyist yes like tribalistic partyist
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uh you know if i because if i told you that i was working for a texas state house
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candidate who was running in the republican primary just outside of houston like west
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houston in the extremely wealthy suburban area of houston
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you probably might like configure a person in your head of who that might look like he’s probably
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not exactly super pro liberty in a lot of ways right um
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and so this is a person i’m actually talking about i just got done working on this campaign it was like january
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february and until march uh i believe he actually won i left before
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the primary date and i don’t know um but this guy uh
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was one of the founders and the trustee of a school district that operates within the
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prison system of the like the entire state texas prison system getting inmates uh high school diplomas geds and
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ctes with a job placement program into like 75 different fields with a drastic
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decrease in recidivism across like everyone that joined the school district
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that’s not probably something that you had in mind when i said right-wing republican in west houston
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engaging in the criminal justice system in a positive way for the community that it’s not typical
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players um and you know he sits on the state criminal justice board he is quite
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pro-police but he’s pro-police because he works with them and he engages with
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them and he’s trying to make them actively better and in that area they’re not as as bad as in some other areas you
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know dealing with the houston police was night and day compared to what i’m used to with the nypd
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uh or other like large cities like that uh so i actually do it traveling and
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getting to interact with like southern and midwestern cops is maybe a little bit less like
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a cab [ __ ] 12 like i i have been for a while because like i’ve actually had
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some positive interactions and uh so like i think that one of the biggest issues that we have as liberty
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activists is just writing people off as soon as we find out that they are
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like they check three of the negative boxes and like oh they must be terrible like oh this guy is pro cop he must be
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terrible but in reality this guy is doing more for libertarian activism like
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anarchist-ish activism than like most of us are um and there’s so many other things on this
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dude’s resume that are just incredible and i was very very pleased to work for him even though we disagree you know
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he’s pro border wall okay [ __ ] it i really don’t care like
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it’s it’s it’s an important thing because kind of as you highlighted it is
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even so i think that even if you weren’t working on this campaign if you were to see that it’s like that’s
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an area where there is so much common ground that you know as we talk about elections
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your candidate is not always going to win and when your candidate doesn’t win there will be a winner in that winner
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you can either work with them on issues that you agree upon which i think would be incredible or you’ve already burned
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those bridges during the campaign process because you were out there badmouthing them just as much as everybody else you’ve lost your own
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credibility now nobody wants to work with you we can move liberty forward by continuing to work with candidates even
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after elections even if we don’t like them on 99.9 percent of the things i would love
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to work with bernie sanders on breaking down some of the barriers within healthcare i disagree with him on 99.9
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of the healthcare things that he stands for but there’s some of the things that i agree with them upon so you know it’s
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things like that that we have to kind of have the libertarian party is not the only
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party doing this but you have to have a little bit decorum in the way that you conduct yourself even as an individual
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as just an activist or whatever else um because i would love to work with him i
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don’t care that he’s a republican working on the criminal justice system reducing recidivism rates that’s better
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for the community every single time there’s no way to twist that into a negative way
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so uh i i i see we’re coming up on time but i want to i want to give you kind of um
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well an open-ended question yeah it flies through that was a quick [ __ ] hour dude yeah no it’s insane um so i
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wanna i when you sit down and you go here’s this election
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for this seat and you can create whatever seat you want to
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and you’ve kind of measured out and both candidates are good both candidates have good policy
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[Music] how do you how do you decide when it’s close on
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where to go for your vote when we don’t have ranked voting um because there are people you know if
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if i can use the lnc chair as an opportunity there are people that are torn on do i vote for
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um tony do i vote for steve or do i vote for tony or do i vote for angela or do i
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vote for angela or do i vote for steve right there’s there’s people that are going to have kind of those well i like the way that this person
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worked and that person worked how do you come through that determination um to say that this is the candidate that
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edges it out mm-hmm uh so i’ll actually go back to talking about that that same republican from
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houston uh mano de ayala is his name i spaced on it earlier but i think as well
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um the the the key thing for him that made me
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say yes uh well i mean i was already working for him when i met him but that made me like excited and stuck with the
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campaign he didn’t want to go to washington i asked him why he was running for state
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house instead of congress and he said because washington is a complete waste of time and that he has
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absolutely no intention of ever running for congress he’s gonna serve two maybe three terms at the state house and then
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go back to his law career done that mindset is the difference maker for
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me if you are not power hungry if you are looking at it as a public servant
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mentality because you think you are going to be able to do more good for your community with this seat than you
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are without it that is what really earns my vote and my support
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up pretty much on top of everything else what an important distinction i’m so
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glad that you brought that one up is that position going to be a stepping stone or is that position where their
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heart is holy smokes i can’t believe i didn’t even think about that before it’s it’s
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you know because i i threw around the idea uh in my local area of running and i was like i’m going to run for state
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house and i’m going to run for state senate why would anyone vote for me running for
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for state house if they knew i was just going to run for senate in a couple terms after that
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it’s it’s got to be discouraging for somebody out there i would have been losing votes for that
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that’s such an incredible important distinction it’s a mistake libertarians make a lot because we talk about that
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five-year plan in our first election often and it’s ridiculous it’s like oh
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i’m gonna run for governor so that i can run for president no one wants to vote for that
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nobody yeah because if you’re doing a good job as governor why would i want you to go around the country when you could be
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doing a good job for us and who’s going to replace you like all too often i think that we look at
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politicians and and they see us as stepping stones i’ve got to get this collection of people from my my you know
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my state house district and then i’ll go up to my my senate district and i’ll go to my u.s house then i’ll go to my
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u.s senate or governorship and it’s just like you’re just trying to the thing is
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that’s how it works it’s how it has to work like if you want to move up you need those
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positions as stepping stones and the other problem that libertarians make is that we don’t we just skip the stepping
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stones quite often uh but you can’t say it out loud right you know we always talk about you
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know how the the mainstream media has been slipping up the last two or three years heavily saying the quiet part out
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loud they’re slipping up saying the quiet part out loud we just do it loudly super loud
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it’s like it’s the quiet part for a reason guys yeah it’s
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it really is and and that’s the thing that like looking out there if i was a
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if i knew somebody wanted to use it as a stepping stone i want them to be a leader first and say i’m going to go run
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and i’m going to be in the state house and while i’m in the state house i’m going to help build up coalitions to get other people like-minded as me come in
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learn from me i’ll learn from them we will make this place this state a better place by doing this and then once i’ve
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accomplished that then i can move up and move to the next level right it’s just it’s similar to a business right you
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want to have a supervisor that you know everyone comes in they’re like i want to become management right the people who
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have that mindset which is not a lot which is not a huge portion of the of the workforce but there is a portion
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of it if they’re just saying i want to be a supervisor so i can be a manager it’s like well you kind of there’s
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there’s important skills that have to be learned there and if you can’t create new supervisors to are going to follow
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in your lead how are you going to be out of the management level with more responsibility so i think that that’s
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another huge aspect of this um but i want to want to give you uh any of your
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last thoughts anything else before i wrap this up uh yeah i just want to make one quick more comment on the like stepping stones
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thing because a lot of times that conversation starts at state house and i think that’s wrong
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county legislature is where that step starts uh those are much easier races to run
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especially if they’re district-wide we’re talking a couple hundred to maybe a couple thousand people in your district we’re
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talking knock on every single door in your district is a doable task winning that race is an extremely doable
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task most states they’re not even partisan so as a libertarian you’re even
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more likely to win those and when you if you are able to get a majority of your county legislature
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which again is not an impossible task that actually affects elections in a
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tangible way that you have no ability to do on any other
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timeline so if you can get a majority there and then get like a county executive
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as the head as a libertarian who’s in control of your county’s elections as a libertarian
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the ability for a state house rep to come out of that county legislature is
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thousands of times easier it’s so much easier when the path is is helped greased for for new libertarians
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to come through david it’s been a hell of a conversation i love all of your input on today and uh
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you know we’ll keep the partisans out of here uh as much as we can but there’s a lot of great information here so if you
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guys missed this conversation if you guys came in late i don’t i understand if you guys missed it on facebook i’m
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sorry we’ll figure that out but uh david mann i appreciate you your insight your wisdom thank you so much for joining so
57:57
much for bringing me on this was absolutely amazing i’ll come back anytime you want me perfect sounds great
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all right i will wrap this up and then i will see you in a couple moments sir ah
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