Matt wishes Spike a happy birthday in the most awkward way he could find. Then Joe Biden rants about the lies about reckless spending! And brags about changing lives… for the worst. Then Matt and Spike cover the Kennedy v. Bremerton School District Supreme Court case where a coach was fired for praying at the 50-yard line after games. Did they get it right? Did Kagan say one of the most tone deaf statements in her dissent? Tune in to find out!
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and now matt wright and
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we have a very special
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albeit a little late video announcement
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hi
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we heard it’s your birthday
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so we wrote your song
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it goes like this
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it’s your birthday we make you feel
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right we have to groove on with money
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all night cause
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[Music]
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where are all the fellas
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[Music]
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you’re getting old is that a bald spot
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even though you’ve grown
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we think you’re still hot
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[Music]
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that kind of sucked he
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did i think we gotta bring out the big
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guns
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[Music]
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it
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is
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[Music]
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you’re here all over the world seems
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cold away your belly used to be there’s
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now a giant goal you’re complaining
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about your backs whom you’ll have a
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heart attack and you cry yourself to
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sleep because you have a hanging rack
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and walking malfunction filled with deep
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compunction and you had your first
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encounter with the wreck how this
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function how are you dreaming about your
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birthday back when it was great you
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wanna start getting the slow paper jobs
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that you hate now with every in the past
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you didn’t even think of glasses and an
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extra cup of coffee just to get you off
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your eyes it’s a struggle most days just
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to kill the morning haze and you got
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yourself thinking about kids these days
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but here’s the thing mate yeah you still
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look great the age is in your mind don’t
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worry about the ways let’s put on a
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party hat we gotta take you know that’s
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let’s drink ourselves
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[Music]
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cause it’s your birthday
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[Music]
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happy birthday spike you are now
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officially
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a
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middle-aged jew
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i am now yes no i am it’s finally after
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10 years of faking it uh i am now
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you got to fake it till you make it
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right
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thank you matt i appreciate that i
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appreciate that and uh i love you and uh
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i i’m not that old like i mean a lot of
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the stuff in there was like talking
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about
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uh ed and
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balls well the bald spot is true really
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everything in there except the ed part
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is true and that’s you don’t have a gut
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you don’t have a gut though
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that’s true yeah i don’t have a boulder
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right
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yeah i uh i found that video by looking
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up most awkward
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happy birthday songs and that was good
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that was beautiful that was that was
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beautiful that was would that be funny
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if that’s what gets us the copyright
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strike
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um he said in it he said use this
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wherever you want and i would yeah okay
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good all right perfect good oh yes
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that’s our cut those are the kind of
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clips that we like right uh and speaking
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of
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little
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unsettling julie maxwell uh was
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sentenced to 20 years in prison on
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tuesday
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and uh breaking news
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we have found out exclusive uh muddy
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waters media a very special guard has
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been appointed to drive her to her new
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cell to ensure that absolutely nothing
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goes wrong
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i see a problem
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[Laughter]
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hopefully
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this new guard can protect
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uh can protect jalane from herself
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from herself because we don’t want
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julian to commit suicide
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um and she won’t be
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she’s been put on she’s been put on
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suicide watch
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she yeah she was i don’t know if she’s
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still on suicide watch after the
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sentencing
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so that’s why i oh okay remove that i
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wasn’t sure if she still was um okay
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but
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so we’re hoping that uh the new guard
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will protect jillaine from herself and
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she won’t be able to kill herself in
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some
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just
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outlandish inconceivable way
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oh man for those listening on uh audio
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thank you uh this oh yeah we should read
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this yeah yeah yeah okay so
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couple things to explain here
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uh the
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the uh the the guard
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uh
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is uh
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looks suspiciously like um
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like a former friend of uh jeffrey
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epstein um
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and it’s weird because her prison guard
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outfit just says prison guard it doesn’t
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even say what
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prison which i think
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that’s that’s here to be suspicious yeah
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there’s a huge red flag
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yeah there’s a couple red flags there uh
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and then uh these are some news articles
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uh clippings uh one says exclusive
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family of bill clinton advisor who
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admitted jeffrey epstein into white
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house seven times has blocked release of
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files detailing the death scene after he
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was found hanging from a tree with a
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shotgun blast at a ranch 30 miles from
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his home
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and then it in one of the
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bullet points from that article it says
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top clinton advisor mark middleton died
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by suicide
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the rest of that sentence yeah the rest
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of that sentence really doesn’t matter
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he was found hanging from a tree with a
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shotgun blast
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died by suicide
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as as one does as one does as
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one does because if you’re gonna kill
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yourself you’re gonna you’re gonna feel
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points of you’re gonna fashion up a
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noose
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you’re gonna fashion up a noose which
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they’re they’re not that hard to type so
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you know you fashion it up really
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quickly and then you’re going to find a
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tree 30 miles from your house
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by hanging yourself in
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but and then shoot yourself and then
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you’re going to take a shotgun and
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you’re going to bring it with you and
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while you’re sitting on the branch with
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the noose around your neck
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you’re gonna yep you’re gonna have to
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reach on out there you have to reach and
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shoot yourself
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so you’ll fall hanging
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um i like that uh so this story the the
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mark middleton story
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um yes about the guy that we just talked
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about who hung himself and then shot
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himself at the same time uh that
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happened like a month ago i found out
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about it in like just the most random
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way it just kind of i accidentally
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stumbled upon it and i was like
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wait what
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yep how was this not more
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widespread
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well i mean
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uh
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in in uh in dc
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uh killing yourself uh
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while shooting yourself
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with a shotgun
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while hanging yourself
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is contagious
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and uh
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you know the cdc recommends against uh
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certain behaviors that can lead to a uh
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you getting it such as
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talking about the clintons yes so stay
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six feet away from anybody talking about
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the clintons
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yes and wash your fetish gear
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and again
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oh my gosh that was a
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wash your fetish gear everyone and i
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thought it was fake
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that was a legit legit thing that was a
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real thing that really
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happened and speaking of legit real
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legitimate things joe biden went on a
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weird rant last week saying
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this
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i don’t want to hear any more of these
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lies
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about reckless spending
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we’re changing people’s lives
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and because of the fact this year
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we’re delivering the biggest drop in
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deficit in the history of the united
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states of america
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[Applause]
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so
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before we get into the
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changing people’s lives with the
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reckless spending
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um
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the biggest drop in deficit
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i understand what that sounds like to
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the norm the normies out there
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i know that everybody listening to the
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show or watching the show or uh
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taking the show in however you take this
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show in um
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you understand that when he says that
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it is a trick
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that it is not actually uh
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we’re not reducing debt
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we’re just going into
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slightly less debt faster yes
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yep right or we’re going into we’re
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going into that slower i guess would be
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a better way to put that
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slightly slower correct um
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and after coming off of 2020 where we
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spent a ton of money on uh on stemis and
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things like that you know massive
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government
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massive government spending uh where
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they gave you 1200 and then gave their
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friends billions following that into
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2021 and this year they aren’t
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they haven’t been passing those it
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it’s understandable that you’re not
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spending as much money this year but
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you’re still spending more
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than we have and you’re not paying
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anything off so you’re actually going in
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to more debt so
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more debt more debt let’s go over
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all of the ways reckless spending
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because he’s tired of the lies people he
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said so he’s tired of the lies let’s go
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into all of the ways that reckless
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spending has improved our lives thanks
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to uh mr murica for this first one
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it pulled all of the future generations
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skin into the game
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because instead of burdening just those
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working now the government decided to
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put it on us and for all future
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generations and it’s really a
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multi-generational problem reducer
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yes then
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you also have the impending or current
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recession
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technically not in a recession right now
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i guess technically
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but after the next quarter’s numbers
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come out i don’t think there’ll be any
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way that they’ll be able to deny we’re
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in a recession
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we’re in a recession we’re in a
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recession uh the recession is helping
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people’s lives because as businesses
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lose money they learn how to streamline
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the business and that will help them
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figure out which employees to fire which
15:15
will help the business move smoother
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well and and you figure you know if you
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hate where you work
15:21
the people you like least
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are going to be fired actually they’ll
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get they’ll get promoted but the the
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yeah
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they’ll be the charge of firing you
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right uh you’ll get fired so you won’t
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have to see him anymore
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so really that’s a good thing that helps
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you too
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yeah the uh and
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because of the way recessions work the
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high unemployment leads to price cuts
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making everything cheaper so in the end
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the reckless spending cuts jobs hurts
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businesses hurts families but
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everything is cheaper so technically
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when he says he’s tired of the lies
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about reckless spending people’s lives
15:56
we’re changing people’s lives he’s not
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wrong
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he’s not wrong at all he’s not he’s
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tired
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because the lie about reckless spending
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is that it doesn’t help and as we’ve
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clearly laid out just now it’s really
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good
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for
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you to be jobless and have no prospects
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for the future
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it really allows you to center you know
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what i mean like i think a lot of people
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are you know
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you know they’re out there making money
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providing for their families
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but you know somewhere along the way
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they lose themselves right so in in
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doing this and really kind of resetting
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things it allows you to really sit down
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and find you
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who you are yeah
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and that’s why he doesn’t want to hear
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the lies he’s changing your life
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speaking of
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kennedy versus bremerton school district
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was a one of the many supreme court
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cases that have been decided in this
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decision this particular one in a
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bremerton school district a high school
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football coach kennedy was fired for
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praying at the 50-yard line after games
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the school district disciplined the
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coach uh because they thought that it
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quote could that anything less could
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lead a reasonable observer to conclude
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mistakenly that it endorsed mr kennedy’s
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religious beliefs so because someone
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could mistakenly think that they were
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endorsing his beliefs
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by not firing him they fired him fired
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him so the supreme court yeah who
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they’ve had a lot of like this has been
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one of the wildest supreme court
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sessions
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in recent memory
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um
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but the supreme court was asked to
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decide several issues in this including
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whether a public school employee is
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engaged in government speech
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that lacks first amendment protection so
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on behalf of the coach attorney paul
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clement with kirkland and ellis in
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washington dc said the prayer was brief
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and quiet when coach kennedy took a knee
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at midfield after gay after games to say
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a brief prayer of thanks his expression
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was entirely his own that private
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religious expression was doubly
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protected by the free exercise and free
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speech clauses
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he he argued that the government does
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not endorse all private religious speech
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just because it takes place on the
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school side of the gates
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which is true
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yes
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years ago
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years ago they said
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there will always be prayer in school as
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long as there are tests and now they’re
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trying to get away with get rid of tests
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oh there you go see they knew they knew
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that was the only thing keeping
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keeping christ in the classroom that’s
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right was the testing um was the testing
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richard katzke
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that’s how you would say that right
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richard katzke yeah that’s like the
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weirdest
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that’s the most hilarious name of
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spelling it yeah that’s like a
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cartoonish way of spelling catski yeah
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but yes catski richard katzke the legal
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director for americans united
19:04
for separation of church and state said
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the churches yes nope sorry said the
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coach’s action pressured students to
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pray and also divided the coaching staff
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sparked vitriol against school officials
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and led to the field being stormed in
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students getting knocked down
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i want to know the prayer that did this
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the
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the idea that the school district
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couldn’t do something when a zoo was
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created on the field is unimaginable
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wow
19:38
this prayer must have been lit
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i
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so i’ve seen pictures and from what i
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saw he would go out
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and like kneel
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at the 50-yard line
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and i believe sometimes other people
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might join him yeah
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that was
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that was all i saw yeah from what i
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understand is that um he never really
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asked that like
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from this case there were differing of
20:06
opinions where the school said you they
20:08
weren’t gonna fire him
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um they weren’t gonna fire like they
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weren’t gonna fire him if he didn’t
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kneel or if he he could go out there and
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like lower his head but he couldn’t
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kneel
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um which is weird because now they’re
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the other side’s firing people for
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kneeling on football fields um
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but
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they said he couldn’t kneel and then he
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was like no like and he did it for a
20:29
little while he goes no that’s not what
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i want to do i want to kneel
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because even though um
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it’s not something that you guys are
20:36
signing on to it’s something i signed on
20:38
to
20:39
and so they were like no and then he
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went out and he kneeled
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he he went out and he kneeled and they
20:46
uh were like
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so they fired him and they found out
20:49
that this was
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the reason they found out this was going
20:52
on was from an opposing team’s coach the
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school board the school board had no
20:57
idea this was going on and then an
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opposing team’s coach wrote a letter and
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he’s like hey i saw that coach kennedy
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went out and um was praying on the
21:05
50-yard line i really admire that or
21:08
something along the like he was saying
21:09
that’s really cool
21:10
and this is great that’s how this like
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what
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how dare he uh he what
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and that
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so justin led to that
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so just this is i this is some irony
21:25
this is an ironic statement yes this is
21:27
an ironic statement i the highlight is
21:30
mine um justice elena kagan
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seems sympathetic
21:36
to the school district’s arguments and
21:38
discuss scenarios in which students may
21:40
feel coerced to join the prayer if they
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think it will make the coach more likely
21:45
to put them into a football game
21:49
she said
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and this is the kind of coercion that’s
21:52
improper for 16 year olds
21:56
this is the kind this is the kind
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this is what is what’s dangerous
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so
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this is the kind of core now i i i liked
22:09
uh mr kennedy’s attempt to come up with
22:12
a compromise which seemed not to catch
22:14
much uh attraction but his compromise
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was that uh he would have he would only
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uh coach
22:22
five-year-olds uh and that he would put
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up a sign that says this prayer ain’t
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gonna lick itself
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the
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in the six to three decision
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comma the court wrote uh that reasoning
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was misguided both the free exercise and
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free speech clauses of the first
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amendment protect expressions like mr
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kennedy’s nor does a proper
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understanding of the amendments
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establishment clause require the
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government to single out private
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religious speech for special disfavor
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yes
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keep in mind while you are watching this
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or listening to this thank you for doing
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so matt and i are both not religious
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people so
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we are not defending
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uh uh religion uh or even the uh well i
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guess we are defending the right to
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expression of retention but we’re not
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defending religious beliefs we aren’t
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looking at this from the standpoint of
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well you know that’s what i would do
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like if i saw someone praying i would
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respect that they were doing it but i i
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i likely wouldn’t join them in it
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yeah if i saw somebody if i saw somebody
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was praying
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of any denomination
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yeah of anything yeah of any
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denomination
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i would probably look over i would
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notice that it was happening and i would
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continue on with my day
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yes because it does not affect us and
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that the interesting thing about that is
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if you use this argument
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that because this uh
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this coach was doing a thing
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and that therefore the students
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felt like
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if they didn’t do that thing
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they wouldn’t get favorable treatment or
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that if they did do that thing they
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would get favorable treatment even
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though he’s not even trying to tell them
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this is the right thing to do he’s just
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doing it himself
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that takes us on a wild journey about
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what teachers could be doing or not just
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teachers but
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educational staff could be doing not
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doing or encouraging kids to do or not
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do through their actions
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and what that uh what what that as uh
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justice kagan said kind of coercion
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could be improper for them then it’s not
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kneeling
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well
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um
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wow
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oh
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oh
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you
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we’re gonna end there so uh what’s gonna
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happen on the next episode oh
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boy you’re not gonna believe it this is
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the first well this was the first
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episode with two people with an age
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starting with four what’s in the next
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one oh boy you’re not gonna believe it
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so tune in tomorrow we will see you
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there uh it is going to be incredible
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yes we are gonna be talking about gun
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control
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and some exciting stuff to happen on
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that front oh
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when i say oh boy i mean
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boy and we will see you tomorrow night
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and where we’re going we don’t need
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roads
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you