Title: (((My Fellow Americans))) #94: Lennie Jarratt

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i’ll be
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before i become a slave yes
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that is
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before i become
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change
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before
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folks i can’t wait to introduce my next
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he is one of my favorite people my guest
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tonight as you probably already know is
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an absolute champion for education
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he is the former managing editor of
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champion news
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oddly enough champion for education and
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education matters
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two publications that were focused on
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education reform
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abc chicago
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multiple radio outlets and newspapers
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across the united states and on
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libertarian vice presidential candidate
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he has been a presenter on panels
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homeschooling the illinois freedom of
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information laws with groups such as
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american majority americans for
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prosperity illinois tea party groups
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homeschool conventions state legislative
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hearings and muddy waters media spike on
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right here
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he’s done that before and he is on here
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tonight with me
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spike cohen we are not going to rest
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until we have single-handedly solved
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the education crisis in this country i
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literally will not let this man leave my
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show
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until every education problem has been
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solved specifically by us
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ladies and gentlemen my fellow americans
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please welcome to the show
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mr lenny j nope
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lenny thanks so much for coming on man
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it’s awesome to have you again thank you
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thank you spike it was great last time i
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knew we’ll have lots of fun tonight
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oh yeah we always have fun folks be sure
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to uh comment
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with your thoughts and questions and
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lenny and i
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will tell you if you are right or wrong
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and we definitely will lenny is lenny is
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nothing if not a brutalist
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uh lenny before we get started on what
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you have to to talk with us about
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uh on this episode uh tell us i i love
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your story about what got you into being
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an education reform advocate
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basically someone just wouldn’t leave
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you tell us the story again what
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what what tell us the lenny jarrett
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genesis story about education reform
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well i was kind i was a computer
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programmer kind of
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state to myself didn’t really do a lot
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but our school district back in 2004
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that i lived in was having a referendum
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so i’m like okay i need to figure out
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should i be voting for or against this
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referendum
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lots i’m a lot smarter now than i was
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back then but right right right i know
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the answer is always no
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now but yes so i started doing uh
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freedom of information actor foyas at
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our local school district and set up a
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website
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i’m like okay i’m just gonna post
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everything i find so the whole community
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can see what i’m doing
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well about two weeks later somebody
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hacked my website to shut it down
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and then on the pro referendum website
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they actually posted my name
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my address how much i paid for my house
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my wife’s name how many kids i had
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the fact that i was homeschooling them
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at the time they knew everything that
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they were locally there and started
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doing that and so
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i continued and kept researching and the
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more i researched the more i had this
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cyber stalker basically follow me around
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wherever i posted even writing articles
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for the daily herald or
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posting comments on the daily herald he
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would find me
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he must have a google alert on my name
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and find me and kept kept badgering me
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every single time about six years later
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later he made the mistake of posting
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and it had his real name on it so i
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found out who it was and it was the
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husband
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of one of the elementary school teachers
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at the local school that was right
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beside our house
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right so then he finally stopped but six
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years later i was
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digging into research becoming a policy
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wonk and figuring out what was wrong
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with the public school system and
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why they were spending so much money and
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it wasn’t have any impact on the kids so
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turn me when i went basically from a
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computer programmer that was so shy i
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didn’t want to stand up and talk
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to now i’m out giving speeches and on
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any show that’ll have me to talk about
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school choice
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i love it this is and especially knowing
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you at least a little bit personally
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knowing just how kind you are i’m
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picturing you
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you’re like hey i wonder how i should
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like legitimately i wonder how i should
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vote on this
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i’m gonna go look into it and i’ll make
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a website so i can share this info with
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other people
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and then you get attacked and you become
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their worst enemy i love it
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like i love that like you know it was
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like i just wanted to be left alone
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and like you you go from you know from
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just being this just you know
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and i mean you still are you’re still a
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very kind courteous gentleman but you go
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from just being this just you know well
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hey this is what i found out i think
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this would work best
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and then they go and turn you into like
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one of the biggest
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champions for education report i think
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it’s absolutely incredible and it just
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goes to show
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be nice to people or else they might end
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up becoming your worst enemy and undoing
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everything you want to do
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oh yeah it’s so funny to me so let’s
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talk about that tell us a little bit
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about you know uh
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you were on my show man was that back in
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january february yeah it was early
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january
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yeah it’s been a couple of uh it’s been
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a couple months now uh almost three
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months now
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tell us some of the stuff that’s been
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going on since we last talked man
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well since then all the state
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legislators legislatures legislatures
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i can’t talk tonight have gone into
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session and so far
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the this session there have been 30
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states that have introduced
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some type of expansion or school choice
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bill
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in those 30 states and it’s by it’s
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really fun actually a dozen of them
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about a dozen maybe a little over have
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actually
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it’s passed out of one chamber or the
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other so out of the state house or the
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state senate
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those bills have gotten through one side
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of it a couple of them are completely
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dead right now
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but the best news was west virginia
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both their house and their senate passed
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a
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education savings account bill that
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gives every student in public school if
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they wanted or incoming student
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100 of the money that the state was
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going to give so it’s been
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the first universal education choice
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bill in any state
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and governor jim justice signed it into
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law
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so it’s going to be it’s going we’ll see
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how that goes in west virginia but they
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went from basically having
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two charter schools allowed back in 2018
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to now having you know the first state
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with universal education choice
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wow so when you’re seeing the money’s
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being assigned to them does it still
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have to go into a charter school or for
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example could this be used for like
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homeschooling or something like that
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this can be used for private schooling
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and
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i believe it’ll be used it can be used
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for homeschooling and stuff as well i
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haven’t looked at that part yet to see
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but yeah they don’t have to they can use
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this for a charter school they can use
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this really
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to buy different therapies for their kid
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they could actually use an eclectic mix
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where they actually
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pay for a public school class pay for a
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charter school class
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pay for some online classes pay for a
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private school class
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they can do whatever they want because
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it’s basically in an account
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dedicated to their child that they now
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get to spend on
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anything that’s education related and it
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still has to be approved through the
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state but
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right it’s just they can do basically
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anything at this point
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education wise for their child so they
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can really really do it
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up the way they ever they want to at
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this point so this is west virginia
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right
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that’s west virginia so there’s some
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more there’s some more states but that’s
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that’s the biggest one that’s passed so
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far this year
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that is and that’s passed the governor
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signed it that’s now the law
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that is now the law yes wow
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the other couple a small tax credit
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scholarship expansion
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happened in south dakota that’s already
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passed and governor gnome has signed
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that into law
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as well now so that’s law there just
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basically expands their tax credit
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scholarship where
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actually theirs is set up for insurance
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companies insurance companies can
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donate to a scholarship granting
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organization
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and then they get a tax credit for that
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donation
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to the strat to the scholarship
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organization and then the scholarship
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organization basically gives money to
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kids gives them a scholarship
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to be able to go to a private school so
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that one was an expansion it’s not
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universal yet but hopefully it’ll get
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there
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soon so what and i think
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last time you talked about i’m trying to
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remember you were saying that the most
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important thing it was less about uh
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you were you were less concerned about
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the or
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origination of the actual funding and
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more concerned about
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where ultimately it was going that it
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was being tied to the
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the uh the parents being able to make
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choices for their students
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as opposed to basically being segregated
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into their school district or their
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county or whatever
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yes correct and so there’s multiple ways
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there’s multiple ways if anybody wants
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to actually ask they can email me
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but a quick overview an education
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savings account that we
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like west virginia has is an account
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that the parents control they basically
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get a debit card for that account that
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then they use for education expenses
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a tax credit scholarship is something
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the
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s the scholarship granting organization
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takes donations for
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and then they hand out the scholarships
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and some sgos
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for a scholarship branding organization
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give the money directly to the family
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to spend for this to the school and some
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of them just pay the school directly
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right for their tuition so it’s more the
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tax credit scholarship is a little more
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limited where the esa can be spent on
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almost anything that’s education related
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and then there’s also you’ll hear a lot
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about vouchers as well
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um yeah which is just a certificate that
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the parent gives to the school
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to then be able to go that pays the
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tuition for that school and that’s kind
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of in
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indiana’s biggest program is they have
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the biggest voucher program in the
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country
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and they’re looking to actually expand
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this year expand their voucher program
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but also
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create an esa as well that would be
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about 90
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of what the state spends on a student to
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go in there and that bill still where is
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still working his way through the
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legislature so we’ll have to see where
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that one goes
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so here’s here’s a question that comes
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from one of the commenters from jacob
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um he’s saying you know the main concern
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for pretty much anything that comes from
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government
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is whether or not the money is going to
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go where it’s supposed to go
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now i know there were a bunch of
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different versions of this in all 30
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states but for example with the west
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virginia model uh with the education
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savings accounts
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you know do you know if there’s any kind
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of controls in place or anything like
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that to make sure that it’s actually
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going where it should be
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yeah the state to be an educa valid
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education vendor they will have to get
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approved through the state
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so when the debit cards are going are
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being spent it has to be spent
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at an approved vendor that the state has
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already vetted
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and know that it’s educational expenses
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that does do some type of
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does a little bit of limitation on some
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on some of the expenses
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but it gives the state the ability to
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track everything
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i mean arizona has had a esa since 2011.
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and they’ve had less than a half of one
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percent of fraud
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that they track because they have all
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the receipts from the credit cards so
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they can track every bit of that
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and know if somebody’s trying to it uses
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a at one vendor like
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if somebody goes to walmart war up would
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be a education vendor because of all the
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supplies they sell
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if somebody goes and buys a big screen
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tv the parents have actually been
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prosecuted
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and kicked out of the program so there
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is a checks and balances there that’s
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tracking
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all of the money so it can’t be used for
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fraud if it is they’re going to be
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prosecuted and kicked out of the program
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i was going to say it’s probably a lot
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easier to to find someone who’s
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to find a parent who spends the money on
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a big screen tv
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as opposed to finding uh you know st
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teachers unions who are spending money
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wastefully uh all over the place and
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and regulators spending money wastefully
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all over the place and it’s perfectly
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legal
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because they have the the latitude to do
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that right and the kickbacks that
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happened in school districts i mean this
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the ceo of chicago public schools got
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went to jail for
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taking kickbacks of like 20 million
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dollars
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but most school districts if you don’t
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if somebody’s in a school district if
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you want to have fun with the school
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district
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give them a foia asking for the
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inventory of
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all of their equipment the majority of
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school districts do not have an
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inventory of their equipment so they
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have no idea
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whether when it gets lost when it gets
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stolen it just disappears they don’t
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know where it’s gone because they can’t
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retract it
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the school district i lived in basically
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took them
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it was about 10 or 11 years before they
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finally put together an inventory
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because i
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basically kept foiling it every year
20:48
until they finally got sick of it and
20:50
put together an inventory
20:52
this is why they attacked you this is
20:54
why they attacked you you went
20:56
hey guys i’m lenny hey where’s your
20:58
money going and they’re like shut up
20:59
lenny we don’t want
21:00
no hey just let me know i’ll just keep
21:03
asking
21:04
i got this website i’m going to let
21:05
other people know too and so they
21:06
started talking
21:08
yup oh i love it man
21:12
so so yeah so the potential for fraud
21:14
obviously
21:15
you know with any with any mass amount
21:17
of moving of money there’s going to be
21:19
the potential for thought but for fraud
21:21
but this is
21:22
much more easily trackable because
21:23
unlike our public schools
21:25
uh they actually have to keep track of
21:27
where the money’s going
21:29
yup exactly exactly
21:32
so but the fun one was this fun law that
21:36
got passed this week into law
21:37
was kentucky passed a tax credit
21:40
scholarship funded esa
21:42
which is actually the ideal way to fund
21:44
students is actually that way where it’s
21:46
coming from private donations going into
21:48
that
21:49
but the governor beshear actually
21:52
vetoed the bill so the state house
21:56
and state senate overrode his veto this
22:00
week
22:01
making it law and it’s so funny because
22:03
bashir talked about how it was going to
22:05
hurt public schools and he’s this public
22:07
school
22:08
defender he sends his kid to private
22:11
school and he also went to private
22:13
school himself he just came back to
22:14
public schools and actually graduated
22:16
from a public school
22:17
but yeah he went to private school and
22:19
his kids go to private school
22:20
but yet he doesn’t want the poor kids in
22:22
kentucky being able to go to a private
22:24
school
22:25
exactly so so so that’s now law even
22:27
though he signed that they overrode his
22:29
veto and so now
22:30
and now what so what how is that
22:32
different than west virginia again it’s
22:33
it’s being funded privately
22:35
it’s being funded privately so the tax
22:38
credit scholarship
22:39
basically funds the the education
22:41
savings account so private donations
22:44
will be given to the to to the
22:47
actually i think they’re going to do to
22:49
still through an sgo
22:50
they’ll give money to an seo the people
22:52
that are donating will get a tax credit
22:54
then the sgo will manage the money going
22:56
into accounts specifically for that
22:58
child
22:59
so it can go to more than just tuition
23:01
it can go it can give the
23:03
parents more flexibility to do exactly
23:06
what they need
23:07
as for the kids so it is the ultimate
23:11
way of funding
23:12
children is a tax credit scholarship
23:13
funded funding esas
23:16
i i was going to say this is free market
23:18
education not only
23:19
are are the parents in charge of where
23:21
the education money’s going
23:22
but it’s actually being privately funded
23:26
funded too so there’s not they’re
23:28
essentially getting rid of the need for
23:29
the state to even be involved in
23:30
education
23:31
at least at the state level maybe still
23:33
at the local level
23:34
it’s still going to be all the local
23:36
money still going to that actually
23:38
that’s the other thing it’s kind of
23:39
funny one of the myths is that school
23:41
choice
23:42
takes money away from public schools
23:44
which it actually
23:45
doesn’t in the long run because when
23:48
students leave to go to a private school
23:50
that school is still getting all of the
23:52
local tax money and federal tax money
23:55
so therefore the actual expenditures per
23:58
child that the money that the schools
23:59
have
24:00
actually increases with every child that
24:03
leaves the school district
24:05
so they actually have more money per
24:07
child when a student leaves
24:09
than when that student is actually there
24:11
yet they’re complaining about it
24:13
the whole entire time well the and we
24:16
know why that is they’re not worried
24:17
about the per
24:18
student money as much as the fact that
24:20
when the other schools
24:22
drastically outperform them and when
24:24
there are millions of success stories
24:26
across the country
24:27
not just limited to specific areas where
24:29
they can say oh you’re cherry picking
24:31
but when literally the entire country
24:33
is filled with tens of millions of
24:34
students and parents who’ve said
24:36
that you know charter schools and
24:38
homeschooling
24:39
and free market choices of education
24:42
outperformed their public school
24:44
outcomes you know exponentially and
24:46
there’s data to show it
24:48
that completely it kills the narrative
24:50
that we even need government involved in
24:52
schooling in the first place and
24:54
certainly the teachers unions don’t need
24:55
to be involved in it so
24:56
i mean they’re looking at the long game
24:58
of what happens to their whole narrative
25:00
yeah it’s about control it really is i
25:02
mean kentucky’s actually
25:04
sets theirs up it’s you have to be below
25:07
175 percent of the federal poverty
25:09
guidelines
25:10
so that kind of ke and it’s capped at 25
25:13
million for tax
25:14
credits to start with and stuff and
25:15
things like that so it’s going to be a
25:16
very limited program
25:18
but all those programs start off slow
25:20
and gradually build over time
25:23
it’s going to take a long time before me
25:25
a lot of families aren’t ready to leave
25:26
public schools
25:27
nor should they i mean some kids
25:29
actually thrive
25:30
in some of their public schools they
25:32
actually are some good
25:33
good public schools around and that’s
25:35
the one thing i always ask the
25:37
superintendent they said well all these
25:38
kids are going to leave and i’m like
25:40
so you’re telling me your school is that
25:41
bad that every kid is going to leave
25:43
your school
25:43
everyone’s going to leave problem
25:46
otherwise
25:46
they’re not leaving if they’re happy
25:48
they’re not going to leave
25:50
that’s the whole point you can’t
25:53
you can’t simultaneously say you’re
25:55
robbing these kids of a quality
25:57
education
25:58
and also say all of the children are
25:59
going to leave our schools because they
26:01
suck please leave up please
26:02
please help us it’s one or the other um
26:05
so
26:06
i just got a comment uh i’m late what
26:07
did i miss start over so hey folks
26:10
uh thanks so much for tuning no um so we
26:12
have we do have a couple questions here
26:14
though
26:14
um the uh uh meg asks
26:17
uh could some of and this is more you
26:19
may not know this this is more of a
26:21
brass tax about the
26:22
um about how this works but um could
26:25
some of the funding
26:26
uh be used to help arrange like
26:28
transportation costs for a child to go
26:31
further away from their home if bus
26:33
transportation isn’t an option
26:34
for for that for whatever schooling
26:36
they’re going to is that is
26:37
transportation something that would be
26:39
considered an education expense
26:40
in most states would that have an essay
26:43
transportation is included as part of
26:45
that
26:45
ability to expend it for that i know
26:48
arizona’s is i do not i don’t know about
26:50
west virginia as i would assume it is
26:51
and i’m assuming kentucky probably did
26:54
but i don’t know but the majority of
26:55
essays have a clause
26:57
have the ability for you to spend on
26:58
transportation as well too
27:00
okay good because that was that was a
27:02
question of mine is you know one thing
27:04
about being segregated
27:06
into all these public school systems is
27:07
that a lot of times the alternatives
27:09
are not necessarily in their immediate
27:12
area so
27:13
they’re still within a reasonable
27:14
distance but they’re not they’re
27:16
20 or 30 minutes away as opposed to you
27:18
know 10 minutes away or they might be
27:19
the same distance
27:21
but the public busing system is only for
27:23
those public schools as opposed to now
27:25
having to work something out um another
27:27
question uh
27:28
from daniel he says he coaches he says i
27:31
coach for my middle schools football
27:33
and basket basketball teams how does you
27:35
know how does this affect funding for
27:37
things like sports and things like that
27:39
or does it
27:41
it doesn’t i mean the school is
27:42
basically funding them however they were
27:44
going to fund them before
27:45
and the private school would have their
27:47
own funding if they have their own
27:48
sports teams and stuff there’s even some
27:50
homeschool groups that have
27:51
sports teams that play in leagues with a
27:54
lot of the private schools
27:56
so it doesn’t affect anything on the
27:58
sports side of it it’s just
28:00
focused on the education side but with
28:02
esa’s they could
28:04
actually pay for classes now if they
28:06
wanted to do
28:07
football or something like that that’s
28:09
your pe
28:10
requirements they can actually help pay
28:12
for some of that for
28:14
the first kids that are going to go to
28:15
private schools now and then some public
28:17
schools will actually allow homeschool
28:19
kids
28:20
and non-public school kids to actually
28:22
be able to play on their teams
28:24
uh with certain requests a lot of every
28:26
state has different restrictions on how
28:28
they do that actually if somebody wants
28:29
to look that up look up tebow laws
28:31
and a lot of homeschoolers are allowed
28:32
to play because of tmt they named the
28:35
law after tim tebow
28:36
oh the tebow laws yeah yeah yeah yep um
28:39
so you have a fan uh evan is asking you
28:42
to
28:42
notice him so can you say hi to evan
28:44
lenny please
28:46
hi evan yeah evan wilson so hi evan
28:49
yeah evan wilson yeah evan wilson hi
28:50
evan wilson um so
28:52
yeah i now one person mentioned it it
28:54
could affect how sports recruiting
28:56
happens but again if the entire movement
28:59
is towards a a free market system
29:01
schooling that means that it’s probably
29:03
not just the students headed there it’s
29:04
probably the coaches and everyone else
29:06
added there to it you know longer term
29:08
yeah and that actually happens in the
29:10
public schools too i mean they’re
29:12
you know look at some of these some of
29:13
these states where some of these schools
29:15
will go and recruit some of these really
29:17
good kids
29:18
and somehow get their kid into a new
29:20
address in an
29:22
another school district to make sure
29:23
they’re in their school district
29:25
it happens now it’s just under the table
29:28
more where this would be
29:29
you know it’s at you you’d be able to
29:31
see it a lot more and stuff but this
29:33
happens
29:33
i mean it happens in college it’s it’s
29:36
it works in college it can work in high
29:38
schools and stuff too but
29:40
yeah i know there’s one of those always
29:43
those drawbacks
29:43
especially like texas that really don’t
29:45
like their friend friday football being
29:47
messed with
29:48
right exactly and the thing is this is
29:50
what i tell people they’re like
29:52
well everybody wants x what happens if x
29:56
goes away and i’m like if everyone wants
29:58
x
29:58
x isn’t going away so you know everyone
30:01
acknowledges that school sports is
30:03
important
30:04
school sports isn’t going anywhere it’s
30:06
not a government that created school
30:08
sports if anything it’s government
30:09
that’s hampering it
30:10
on on that uh before we talk about some
30:13
of the other
30:13
uh other exciting things that have
30:15
happened uh jimmy asks about if we’ve
30:17
talked about
30:18
uh the department of education and we
30:20
have not yet which i’m surprised by
30:21
because usually
30:22
it’s almost a half hour into this
30:23
program usually i’ve railed against the
30:25
federal government at least two or three
30:26
times by now
30:27
uh but so can we talk a little bit about
30:30
that
30:31
a little bit of background this show and
30:33
i uh and muddy waters media are of the
30:35
belief that the federal government
30:36
has demonstrated that it should not be
30:38
involved in education it has spent
30:40
trillions of dollars
30:42
uh we went from being number one in
30:44
schools when they started to being like
30:46
number 24 some ridiculous thing
30:49
every every metric used to uh to measure
30:53
student outcomes has worsened in the
30:55
time the federal government’s been
30:56
involved
30:57
um whether or not you agree with that
30:59
you’re certainly free to give your
31:00
opinion on it but
31:01
how does the federal government play
31:04
into the things that we’re talking about
31:05
at the state level or does it
31:08
they do they meddle a whole lot and get
31:10
in the way of everything
31:11
every state basically has to file a
31:14
education plan especially if they’re not
31:16
doing well
31:17
with the department of education who
31:19
then approves it or doesn’t approve it
31:21
which is
31:22
stupid the fed fed should not be
31:24
approving state plans regardless
31:26
the department of education actually
31:28
actually was created a long time before
31:30
jimmy carter
31:31
most people don’t realize that it was
31:33
actually created i believe in 1858
31:36
yeah you talked about this last time
31:39
yeah it became a department but
31:41
people got upset about it so it became
31:43
just a
31:44
group under the commerce department so
31:46
it was nothing but data collection
31:48
for 50 oh actually almost so 60 70 years
31:52
and under franklin roosevelt it started
31:54
getting to mandate some of the farm
31:56
things and stuff like that
31:58
and gradually just got more and more um
32:01
involved and stuff and into the 70s and
32:04
then when it became a football we’re
32:05
going to have to fix
32:07
education they they really screwed
32:10
things up and they became more and more
32:12
involved and
32:12
right now it’s about over 40 percent of
32:15
the money comes from the federal
32:18
department of education and well the
32:20
feds
32:21
giving money to those states and stuff
32:24
but
32:25
only i’m sorry let’s get it backwards
32:28
about eight percent of the might the
32:29
nine percent of the money comes from the
32:31
federal government
32:32
but over forty percent of the
32:33
regulations come from the federal
32:35
government
32:36
which really meddles in the education
32:38
the states should be more responsible
32:40
for their own education but
32:42
they like free money that’s why we ended
32:44
up with common the common core standards
32:46
was because
32:47
the obama administration basically
32:49
bribed all the states to accept
32:51
common core standards and now everybody
32:53
saw where that went it’s backfiring on
32:55
everybody
32:56
and now they’re slowly trying to get rid
32:58
of it but it’s
32:59
it’s you know and you get no style left
33:02
behind under george bush
33:05
which didn’t help anything and now
33:07
you’ve got the
33:08
essa which is the elementary secondary
33:11
school
33:11
or secondary school act which is
33:14
pathetic and basically leaves every kid
33:16
behind anyway
33:18
or yeah so it’s just so stupid
33:22
what the feds do and how much they get
33:24
involved so
33:25
yeah they the department of education
33:27
should be nothing but
33:28
a records collection agency that
33:32
collects data from the states
33:33
so we can see how education is going
33:36
nationally
33:37
and that’s all they should be doing they
33:38
should have no other involvement
33:40
within education whatsoever except just
33:42
called data collection
33:44
if that i mean if if there’s any role it
33:46
should be simply information gathering
33:48
not
33:49
you know telling the states how to run
33:50
it they’ve clearly failed
33:52
in in that yep yeah they have so
33:56
and and an interesting thing to note you
33:58
said you know 40
33:59
of the regulations are coming from the
34:01
uh from the federal government
34:03
side um and only eight or nine percent
34:05
of the money but the reality is that
34:06
money’s still
34:07
coming from us it’s just being filtered
34:10
through the federal government
34:11
um and so that’s money that’s being
34:13
robbed from
34:14
parents who could then spend that money
34:17
directly or
34:18
through their you know uh their school
34:20
districts or states or whatever
34:21
be spending that money on education so
34:24
it’s just money that it’s a shell game
34:26
it’s if i
34:26
take some money out of your wallet and i
34:28
give you back a little bit of it and i
34:30
go here now
34:31
implement this and implement that or i
34:33
won’t give you the money well i didn’t
34:34
help you there i robbed you
34:36
and made your life harder yep exactly
34:41
so uh tell us a little bit more about
34:43
some of the other exciting stuff that’s
34:44
happened in the last couple months since
34:46
you’ve been on
34:46
well george is another one that’s
34:48
already passed the bill
34:50
um it’ll add an additional 58 000
34:53
students to be eligible for their for
34:56
their voucher programs and stuff as well
34:59
so it’s increasing everywhere and that’s
35:01
just waiting for the actual
35:02
it hasn’t been sent to the governor yet
35:04
i believe it will be my assumption is
35:07
governor kemp is going to sign it but
35:10
we’ll have to wait and see but i assume
35:11
he will sign that
35:13
expansion i mean some of these bills
35:14
have been working on forever
35:16
i mean i’ve been helping with some of
35:17
these states and talking to some of
35:18
these state legislators
35:20
for years trying to help them get stuff
35:22
passed and i mean we’re still everybody
35:24
there’s lots of groups still working
35:26
with them i know ace that i work for now
35:28
does the same thing we will go to
35:30
certain states and try to help
35:32
pass things too this year has been it’s
35:34
been amazing how many people are past
35:36
passing bills and introducing bills not
35:39
as many of them have passed as you can
35:40
see only four states have actually
35:42
passed something now yeah and looks like
35:44
all four of those will become law
35:46
there’s still a couple of states that
35:47
are in the works
35:48
that may pass something that may not but
35:51
only a few more out of the 30 states
35:54
we may get another three or four more
35:57
expansions of school choice so basically
35:59
less than a third of the states that
36:00
introduced a bill
36:02
are actually going to expand school
36:03
choice this year but that’s better than
36:05
the last few years the last few cycles
36:07
have been even less
36:08
maybe you get lucky you get one or two
36:10
to pass so right
36:12
it’s definitely done a whole lot better
36:14
this year
36:15
yeah and i was gonna say so i mean we’ve
36:16
had you know the fact that i would
36:19
assume the fact that there have been
36:20
dozens of states that have even been
36:22
introducing this in their legislatures
36:25
uh and the fact that a few of them pass
36:28
is that’s a movement in the pot in the
36:31
in the right direction right like that’s
36:32
that’s actually better than in previous
36:34
years
36:34
yes it is now has there been anything
36:38
uh this year uh or in the past couple
36:41
months
36:41
that has happened that has been a step
36:43
in the wrong direction in your opinion
36:44
by any of the states
36:46
when it comes to education well i some
36:48
states that you would think would pass
36:50
school choice like texas
36:52
is not passing school choice the house
36:54
killed their bill that
36:55
they’ve been every year it goes back and
36:56
the house continues to kill it
36:58
i mean it should pass school choice
37:00
arkansas this year there was a really
37:02
good chance of a bill passing there
37:05
and their house killed the bill as well
37:08
actually
37:08
i was listening to one of the
37:10
legislature legislators talk
37:12
and i won’t i won’t i won’t say his name
37:15
but he basically was talking about how
37:17
in his district there are two schools
37:21
that only have white children attend the
37:24
school
37:25
and because of that he was going to vote
37:27
against the school choice bill
37:29
because there wasn’t a private school
37:31
that would accept the low income and
37:33
minority kids
37:34
in his district so therefore he was
37:36
voting against it i’m sitting there like
37:38
uh didn’t arkansas wasn’t arkansas one
37:41
of the big states with lawsuits
37:43
and in about integration and segregation
37:46
and how long it took and you’re sitting
37:47
up here
37:48
talking about these segregated school
37:51
private schools and you’re doing nothing
37:53
about it
37:54
right and also the idea that you know
37:58
a lot of the reason why those schools
38:00
are overwhelmingly or even 100
38:02
white is because thanks to the the
38:04
racial politics of
38:05
of states like arkansas everyone there
38:08
that isn’t white is poor
38:09
they can’t afford to go there but if you
38:12
assign
38:12
money to the people in that school i i
38:15
strongly doubt every single one of these
38:17
schools are like no we are a whites only
38:19
school even though that’s completely
38:20
illegal
38:21
they’re they’re accepting who can afford
38:23
it so if the money is assigned to the
38:25
kid they’re going to accept who can
38:26
afford it which is now many more people
38:28
oh i would have that was like yeah you
38:30
have to pass stuff like this and okay
38:32
let’s find out what’s really going to
38:33
happen if this school is really going to
38:35
stay segregated
38:36
exactly we’ll get the federal department
38:38
of judge that’s one thing the federal
38:39
department of justice is good for
38:41
let them come have fun with this yeah
38:43
literally if
38:44
if this is a just if this is a school
38:46
you know whether you agree with the
38:48
the the rules against uh you know uh
38:50
private institutions discriminating or
38:52
not
38:52
if there’s a school that’s like no why
38:55
only white people in this school
38:57
there’s gonna be a criminal and civil
38:59
complaints as a result of that like
39:01
the reality is the reason those schools
39:03
are 100 white is 100
39:05
of the black people in that area are
39:07
poor they can’t afford to send their
39:09
kids to that school
39:10
so assign the money to them and they can
39:12
more than afford to go to that school an
39:13
interesting thing to note lenny
39:15
and and you may have some more details
39:17
about this but
39:18
am i not correct that the average
39:20
private school
39:22
including these prestigious private
39:23
schools spends less money per student or
39:26
cost less money per student
39:28
than the average public school does yes
39:31
absolutely florida just did a study on
39:33
that and their average public school
39:35
private school cost is about i think was
39:38
about 93 9 400
39:39
per student and they were just public
39:42
schools were spending
39:44
about i think it’s about sixteen
39:45
thousand dollars per student
39:47
so it’s but dc is even worse the private
39:50
schools there
39:51
are around that ten thousand dollar mark
39:53
too but the
39:54
dc public schools are spending 30 000
39:58
per child wow so they’re spending
40:02
three times as much for
40:05
much worse schools yes absolutely
40:09
yeah and that’s pretty much i don’t
40:10
think i haven’t done studies i haven’t
40:12
seen one in other states
40:14
but i’m pretty much sure that’s the way
40:15
it is in most states it’s the same thing
40:18
it’s not the elite private school
40:20
average private schools cost nowhere
40:22
near what the public schools are getting
40:24
per child every single year it’s it’s
40:26
not even close
40:27
for the most part i mean even the elite
40:30
private schools probably aren’t spending
40:32
30k per student yeah they’re probably
40:35
maybe some of them
40:36
i’m sure
40:40
yeah and i guarantee you their schooling
40:43
standards are much higher than that of
40:44
the dc public school system
40:47
yes oh absolutely goodness
40:50
you know what’s what’s incredible about
40:52
that statistic more so than
40:54
or maybe not more so but in addition to
40:56
just you know how
40:57
much less they’re spending how
40:59
consistent it is
41:00
in florida in dc i’m sure in other areas
41:03
private education costs
41:04
roughly what it costs relative to the
41:06
cost of living in that area
41:08
whereas depending on how powerful the
41:10
government is in that area
41:11
they could be spending two or three
41:13
times as much on education
41:14
as in a similar area entire entirely
41:17
built based not on the cost of living
41:19
difference there but just on how much
41:20
more power the state
41:21
and and therefore the public employees
41:23
unions have
41:25
yeah i bet chicago i bet chicago public
41:27
schools are the same way versus their
41:28
private schools i don’t know what the
41:29
average is in chicago but i would
41:31
guarantee that’s less
41:32
because chicago public schools are
41:33
spending i think it’s 21 or 22 000 per
41:36
student now
41:37
and i know the private schools in
41:38
chicago are not costing that much
41:41
it is incredible i was on uh gosh what
41:43
was i on
41:44
i think it was on kennedy and i was on a
41:46
panel and then we were talking
41:48
about education yeah it was kennedy and
41:49
we were talking about education and one
41:51
of the guests said you know the problem
41:52
is
41:52
uh you know the politicians just aren’t
41:54
willing to sit down
41:55
and talk about how much more money needs
41:57
to be spent on education
41:58
and the rest of us were gobsmacked it
42:00
was like we spend
42:02
way more money per student in education
42:04
in this country than
42:05
any other country on earth it’s not even
42:07
close you think the disparity
42:09
in what we spend on health care is
42:12
higher than other countries
42:14
put education we’re spending five and
42:16
six times as much money
42:18
as other developed countries that rank
42:20
way higher than us on education
42:22
are spending and it’s just it’s it’s
42:25
this is not a money problem this is like
42:27
looking
42:27
at a car with a broken transmission and
42:29
saying this car needs more
42:31
gasoline that’s the problem we don’t
42:33
need to fix the the the transmission
42:35
it’s the at we need more gas yep
42:38
yep that’s it and wow i was listening to
42:42
the building kansas right now that
42:44
actually passed the house and the senate
42:45
has got to go to conference now
42:47
but i think the governor’s going to veto
42:49
it at least at that as it stands right
42:50
now it’ll probably get vetoed
42:52
but one of the representatives there was
42:55
talking about
42:56
freedom and she keeps hearing this word
42:58
freedom tossed around when they’re
42:59
talking about this tax credit
43:01
scholarship
43:02
and to her giving money to the parents
43:05
wasn’t freedom
43:06
it was freedom was giving it to the
43:08
politicians so they could actually vote
43:10
and talk about what was
43:12
best for education and that was freedom
43:14
to her
43:18
yeah i get i i don’t i have no response
43:20
i have no
43:21
i mean yeah some of these legislators
43:24
it’s like they just leave you speechless
43:26
it’s just like
43:27
how can you actually say that but even
43:31
worse how can you actually
43:32
believe that so it’s but that’s what it
43:36
is it’s like i hope you don’t actually
43:38
believe that
43:38
you just said something really stupid
43:40
because if you if you
43:42
earnestly believe that freedom is the
43:44
freedom
43:45
for politicians to spend money without
43:47
feeling like
43:48
you know they’re gonna get criticized
43:49
about it or whatever that’s really like
43:51
that’s horrifying that’s
43:53
that takes us down a whole different a
43:55
whole different slippery slope
43:57
so what else is going on is there is
43:59
there anything else that’s going on out
44:00
there with that
44:00
i mean florida’s probably going to pass
44:02
a bill on expanding they’re actually
44:04
they’re trying to fix they have five
44:06
school choice programs they’re trying to
44:08
actually make two education savings a
44:10
pro account programs one for their
44:12
special needs and one for the
44:14
for other kids so they’re trying to
44:16
consolidate their programs montana’s got
44:18
a good chance of
44:20
passing a bill up there montana
44:22
interestingly enough is such a small
44:24
state
44:25
but the reason the blaine amendments are
44:27
dead through espinoza versus
44:29
montana department of revenue 150
44:32
tax scholarship came out of the out of
44:35
montana
44:36
ended up at the supreme court is what
44:38
ended the anti-catholic blaine
44:40
amendments
44:41
last year so i mean you never know where
44:44
it’s going but they’ll probably pass a
44:45
bill
44:46
arizona i think will probably pass a
44:48
bill missouri
44:49
is still working on theirs it passed the
44:51
house but it’s just
44:52
in the senate now i don’t know if that’s
44:54
going to pass new hampshire has a really
44:56
good chance of passing theirs and
44:58
indiana has probably has a really good
44:59
chance of passing their
45:01
expansion those are the ones that i
45:02
think may pass this year
45:04
so it puts you like what seven or eight
45:08
right now likely school choice
45:10
expansions this year
45:11
when you usually get maybe you’re lucky
45:13
if you get one or two
45:15
in a sec in a session so i mean it’s the
45:18
momentum’s there
45:19
actually the census bureau i haven’t
45:20
looked at this data yet
45:22
and just put out a thing preliminarily
45:25
that homeschooling in the last year
45:27
has doubled someplace numbers say it’s
45:29
triple but i
45:30
i think doubles probably closer to where
45:32
it’s at but
45:34
that’s just amazing in them itself it
45:36
well i mean you figure if your kids at
45:38
home all year anyway
45:40
and now you’re getting a glimpse in fact
45:41
i want to ask you about that because i
45:43
i’ve met so many people on the campaign
45:44
trail who said i didn’t realize how bad
45:47
my kids education was until i could
45:48
watch it on zoom
45:50
and see just how bad it was and realize
45:52
that something had to be better
45:54
if if they were gonna be at home on zoom
45:56
getting a terrible education
45:58
uh then they might as well be at home
46:00
getting a good education
46:02
how much momentum that we’re seeing
46:05
right now do you think
46:06
and i mean it doesn’t have to be an
46:08
exact number but just generally speaking
46:09
how much of the momentum do you think is
46:11
because parents got to experience
46:14
what you know the fact exactly
46:17
what schooling actually looked like not
46:20
just send your kids away
46:21
and you go to work and when you come
46:23
home and your kids are home and you say
46:24
how was school and they go who’s okay
46:25
you know but they actually see what it
46:27
was how much of this momentum that we’re
46:29
seeing
46:29
compared to other years do you think is
46:31
because of that i would
46:32
say probably 75 percent of the momentum
46:36
this year has come
46:37
specifically from that because of the
46:39
seeing what’s going on
46:40
the learning pods that have been started
46:42
created the expansion of micro schools
46:45
and the fact that so many kids aren’t
46:48
back in school
46:49
is also playing a lot into it parents
46:51
are just getting upset with that
46:53
it makes a difference um actually i
46:56
should i should get a link i’ll get it
46:58
after the show and put it back in the
46:59
comments for people
47:01
we had a webinar in february with dr
47:04
eric henyashek
47:05
talking about learning loss and he
47:08
predicted about a third of a year
47:10
learning loss is what he predicted which
47:12
would
47:12
end up costing students three to five
47:15
percent of their lifetime earnings and
47:17
cost the
47:18
economy about 14 trillion over the next
47:20
century
47:22
but since schools weren’t going back as
47:24
rapidly as he expected
47:26
by february he was actually predicting a
47:29
year’s worth of learning loss for those
47:31
kids that were still being remote
47:33
which was then going to equate to almost
47:35
a 10 percent
47:37
lifetime earnings loss and 27
47:41
trillion dollars lost to the economy in
47:44
this century
47:45
and then the kids that were poor low
47:47
income it’s going to hit even worse
47:49
they’re going of course into a 13
47:52
earnings loss over their lifetime it’s
47:55
just going to set
47:56
so many people back and why school
47:58
choice is so important to get these kids
48:00
the education and get them caught up
48:03
because it’s affecting everybody it
48:04
doesn’t just affect those kids it’s
48:06
affecting the whole economy and society
48:08
everybody and i mean that’s before we
48:11
even get into the
48:12
social aspects of kids being stuck at
48:14
home and i mean we could get into a
48:15
whole conversation about
48:16
these lockdowns and closures and
48:18
everything else it’s very interesting
48:20
that even though
48:21
these kids being home uh is leading more
48:24
and more people to realize that that
48:26
public education is a bad thing the the
48:28
that the
48:29
uh that the teachers unions are still
48:31
fighting it and still trying to keep the
48:32
kids out um
48:34
why interest i want to get your thoughts
48:36
on that um
48:37
why do you think that is that the
48:38
student unions that the teachers unions
48:40
are fighting so hard
48:41
to keep the the kids out you know i i
48:44
haven’t
48:45
i mean obviously it’s they don’t want to
48:46
be held accountable but like it seems
48:48
like they’re really
48:49
doing something counter-intuitive
48:50
they’re making more enemies to public
48:52
education why do you think they’re doing
48:54
it
48:54
it’s it’s about money they’re getting
48:56
more and more money the whole time
48:58
they’re doing this
48:59
so that’s really what it’s about
49:01
actually with dr hanyasek he actually
49:03
talked about that
49:04
and in the 60 largest public school
49:07
districts i thinking about two-thirds of
49:09
those districts
49:11
the teachers union and the districts
49:12
actually renegotiated their contracts
49:15
which acts which they lowered the
49:18
instruct amount of instruction time that
49:19
teachers had to be
49:20
even online so they were shortening the
49:23
school day
49:24
even with remote learning so the
49:27
teachers didn’t have to be online quite
49:29
so much as well
49:30
and i just posted that learning loss um
49:32
i just saw that i’m going to share it at
49:34
i’m going to share it on all that real
49:36
quick there too yeah i’m
49:37
i just shared the link uh i just shared
49:40
the link so that it’ll be in all the
49:41
different social media there the uh the
49:44
economic costs of learning losses it’s
49:46
it’s incredible
49:47
it’s it’s staggering what it’s going to
49:49
do to these kids
49:50
and to the economy over the next over
49:53
the century but
49:54
really hard over the next few years
49:57
unless we can figure out a way to get
49:59
these kids not only caught up to what it
50:01
was in 2020
50:02
but get them caught up to 2021 in 2022
50:06
get them completely caught up where
50:07
they’re supposed to be
50:09
at their grade level and i don’t see
50:10
unfortunate i don’t see many public
50:12
schools being able to do that
50:14
um given the strength of their teachers
50:16
unions at this point
50:17
especially those urban heavy urban
50:19
districts where a lot of these
50:21
low-income kids actually live
50:23
which is where they’re being served the
50:25
worst i saw something that showed that
50:27
like
50:27
a a baltimore public school system that
50:30
in
50:30
in that the average graduation rate was
50:34
like less than five percent or something
50:36
like that
50:37
and even with much lower standards they
50:39
set the standards all the way to the
50:40
bottom where
50:41
you could graduate and still be
50:42
functionally illiterate and
50:44
and and and yet they still weren’t
50:46
passing the average gpa there was 0.13
50:49
or some absurd thing
50:50
these are the kids that are being the
50:52
least served poor kids and
50:54
and and kids you know students of color
50:56
and like in the most impoverished
50:58
communities the people who need
50:59
education the absolute most
51:00
so that their kids can move forward and
51:02
pull their their their families out of
51:04
poverty
51:05
and and themselves out of poverty and
51:06
their communities out of poverty and
51:08
they’re the ones that are getting hit
51:09
the
51:09
hit hit the hardest with this stuff
51:11
because the government is committed to
51:13
giving them
51:14
bad education yeah and you’ve got well i
51:17
can i know from
51:18
looking at stuff chicago milwaukee and
51:21
baltimore
51:22
all have public schools with zero
51:26
percent of their kids
51:27
proficient in either math or english
51:29
that’s zero percent insane
51:31
and these they’re still passing these
51:32
kids and these these schools are still
51:34
in operation
51:36
where you’ve got legislators talking
51:37
about where’s the accountability for
51:39
these private schools in school choice
51:41
and they’ve got zero percent kids in
51:43
their schools that are proficient and
51:44
yet they’re okay with that
51:46
oh you know give them more money even
51:47
though they’re underperforming they
51:48
should be closing every one of those
51:49
schools down
51:51
and giving those kids a chance to go to
51:53
another school
51:54
exactly shut that failure of a school
51:56
down
51:57
it’s basically prison training and you
52:00
know shut the school down and let the
52:01
kids go to a good school these are good
52:03
kids they’re just
52:04
not being served they’re not being
52:06
served by a completely government-run
52:09
corrupt union-run schooling and it and
52:12
you know when you factor in and i mean
52:13
again we’re going to go off into a hole
52:15
it’s hard to not look at this
52:16
holistically so i’m gonna i’m gonna
52:19
bring you down the
52:20
anarcho-capitalist uh rabbit hole with
52:22
me now lenny so so prepare yourself
52:24
but when you consider the fact that
52:25
government the same government that’s
52:27
making education decisions
52:29
is the same government making criminal
52:31
justice decisions which is the same
52:33
government making
52:34
uh corrections and prison uh decisions
52:37
and the same government making
52:38
foreign uh uh public safety decisions
52:41
and now you look at a government that is
52:44
either intentionally or
52:45
unintentionally poorly poorly serving
52:48
students
52:49
and setting them up for a life of either
52:51
poverty or
52:52
crime and then filtering them into
52:55
a a correction system that they’ve built
52:58
where everyone there is being
53:00
used for prison labor um that is used to
53:03
be contracted by third-party
53:04
multi-billion dollar corporations that
53:07
are basically using their
53:08
their their slave their captive prison
53:11
labor paying them pennies on the dollar
53:12
what they would pay anyone else for the
53:14
labor
53:14
and then you know charging market value
53:16
for that labor and making a freaking
53:18
killing on it
53:19
it’s starting to look like they are
53:21
intentionally setting up entire
53:22
generations of poor people
53:24
for slavery yeah it’s yeah the school to
53:27
prison pipeline is real
53:30
yeah i mean and as i’ll quote corey
53:32
deangelis here who said this on one of
53:33
our webinars
53:34
school choice is criminal justice reform
53:37
yes we can prevent
53:38
so many kids from going to jail it’s i
53:41
think about two-thirds of
53:44
uh inmates in jail do not have their
53:47
high school diploma that would make
53:49
sense i mean yeah it’s insane
53:52
a lot of them actually have learning
53:54
difficulties
53:55
that were never diagnosed and part of
53:57
the reason
53:58
as well i mean they just kind of get
54:00
pushed along instead of getting
54:01
diagnosed and helped
54:03
and the biggest one of that is dyslexia
54:05
that’s rampant in our jail population
54:07
jail population that
54:08
shouldn’t be there they should have been
54:11
should have been identified early and
54:12
educating the education system
54:14
and they should have been able to be
54:15
helped and they haven’t been
54:17
yeah because dyslexia is an entirely
54:20
treatable thing
54:20
with early intervention and and all of
54:23
that i i have met
54:24
people who were you know they were
54:25
diagnosed with dyslexia their education
54:28
was modified as a result
54:29
and they now are very literate and very
54:32
able to read and very able to write and
54:33
very able to do anything else
54:34
but if you can’t and if you don’t have
54:37
anything in place
54:38
to intervene for these kids the kids
54:41
just get frustrated
54:42
they think that they’re stupid they’re
54:44
probably told that they’re stupid
54:46
because they aren’t told something’s
54:48
wrong and then now they’re living a life
54:49
of crime
54:50
both because they don’t have a good
54:51
education and they’re angry
54:54
it’s it it’s just so sad to watch this
54:56
stuff happen um
54:58
sorry go ahead no i was just agreeing
55:01
with you yes
55:02
okay well thank you um i i wanna i to
55:05
ask you uh
55:06
lenny um and i think i asked you this
55:08
before but in
55:10
a i forgot whatever your answer was and
55:11
i apologize and b also
55:13
in case anyone uh here uh also either
55:16
forgot or didn’t um or didn’t watch last
55:18
time
55:18
um and i may not have brought this up
55:21
one of my concerns about school choice
55:24
is that if let’s say school choice
55:25
becomes the law of the land and in every
55:27
single state in the union
55:29
money is now tied to the student instead
55:31
of the school
55:33
the way that many of these school choice
55:35
not all of them because you’ve talked
55:36
about like some of these esa programs
55:37
and things like that
55:38
but the way that most or many of the
55:40
school choice programs i’ve heard of are
55:42
set up
55:42
is it’s still the state and federal
55:44
governments who are doling out the money
55:46
that they’ve taken from the from the
55:48
the taxpayer uh but now it is being
55:51
assigned to the student
55:52
my concern is that if that were to
55:54
happen then now you have a situation
55:56
where the where the government the
55:58
federal and state governments
56:00
are the biggest uh it’s basically
56:02
single-payer education
56:04
where the provider may be private or
56:06
for-profit or not run by government
56:08
but they’re still now their their
56:10
biggest single um
56:12
uh their biggest single um customer for
56:14
lack of a better word
56:15
is the government uh and that inevitably
56:17
that money is eventually even if it’s
56:19
not now
56:20
eventually the justification will be
56:21
there through mission creep
56:23
for the government to step in and say
56:24
well since we’re the ones paying for all
56:25
this
56:26
you’ve got to do this and that and this
56:27
and that and this and that and
56:29
over time over the years not only does
56:32
uh charter and private education become
56:35
public education by another name
56:37
but also by implementing this program
56:40
you’ve effectively eliminated all true
56:43
private education is that also a concern
56:45
of yours or is this something that’s
56:46
being addressed
56:47
in these programs or you know what are
56:48
your thoughts on that it definitely
56:51
is a concern of mine and i think that’s
56:53
why i tend to like the tax credit
56:55
scholarships the most
56:56
funding and education savings account
56:58
because then the money the parents are
57:00
controlling the money so they can decide
57:02
what and where they want to go
57:03
and it’s hard if you’re only paying for
57:05
one class how is the government going to
57:08
force any regulations on that school if
57:11
you’re only having one class within that
57:13
school
57:14
right right right and and the
57:16
regulations so far yeah some states are
57:18
over over regulate
57:19
louisiana over rates over regulates
57:21
their tax credit scholarship program
57:24
the effect of that was the good the
57:26
really the best schools
57:28
did not opt into the program they do not
57:30
take any kids from the tax credit
57:32
scholarship program
57:33
so it was the poorer schools that did
57:35
which hopefully will be able to get
57:36
fixed at some point
57:38
so it kind of relaxes those regulations
57:40
a little bit so more school better
57:42
schools can actually get in i mean
57:43
there’s some good schools that are
57:44
actually in the program
57:46
but at the beginning it wasn’t as much
57:49
because schools can opt out
57:50
and not take students if there’s a lot
57:53
of regulations that come along with it
57:55
so that’s kind of up to them as well so
57:57
the schools have the freedom
57:59
not to take every student if they come
58:02
with a tax credit scholarship or
58:04
other money but the tax credit
58:06
scholarships in the esa are the hardest
58:07
for the government to regulate and get
58:10
force on to the schools that take the
58:12
money where
58:13
vouchers and stuff become very difficult
58:16
they’re very easy to regulate
58:17
with the government putting so many
58:19
restrictions on them that’s why i really
58:21
don’t like vouchers as much
58:22
they’re simple but yeah they do allow
58:25
the government into a whole lot
58:27
but a lot the federal money doesn’t
58:28
actually go to a lot of these private
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schools
58:31
through the month of all the flow for
58:33
all the programs that i know it’s all
58:34
state money it’s not federal money
58:37
private schools can file for grants
58:41
through the department of education and
58:42
stuff and get money for special programs
58:44
and they know that going in what the
58:46
regulations and stuff
58:47
are going to be but it doesn’t flow with
58:50
the students so it prevents a lot of
58:52
that regulation so
58:54
but yes that is one of my concerns as
58:56
well over the long term but i think
58:58
it’s going to be very hard for the
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government to gradually creep up those
59:02
regulations as more and more
59:04
parents utilize school choice they’re
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going to go
59:08
no you’re not passing this and then they
59:09
become a really loud voice and political
59:12
block
59:13
to stop those kind of things because
59:16
they’re now
59:16
sort of the educa if you want to call it
59:20
a lobby they’re now the education
59:22
choice lobby where they’re the ones
59:24
saying we as the tens or hundreds of
59:26
millions of parents in this country
59:28
we like how this is if anything we want
59:30
you less involved so this is
59:32
less these things whether we’re talking
59:34
vouchers or esa’s
59:35
these aren’t the solve that that that
59:38
solves this whole problem
59:39
they are a step in the right direction
59:41
we have to remain vigilant
59:43
but it creates it destroys the narrative
59:45
that government’s good at education or
59:47
is necessary in education
59:49
and it moves us towards the argument
59:51
that this would be best handled in this
59:53
free market away as possible
59:55
yup exactly very good man well
59:58
let me ask you this b you know i i i
60:00
before i let you go i want to give you a
60:01
chance to tell me
60:02
you know uh two well two things uh
60:06
is there anything else that’s on the
60:07
horizon that you’re excited about and
60:09
then just a general sense of uh
60:11
of if you think if where are we headed
60:14
broadly in the right direction or the
60:15
wrong direction
60:16
and then honestly anything else you want
60:18
to say the floor is yours man
60:20
all right um i was looking up some
60:22
statistics real quick here
60:24
um ace has done several studies on
60:28
like the value of what a high school
60:30
diploma is and stuff and it’s actually
60:33
when a student gets a diploma versus not
60:35
getting a diploma
60:37
they actually save society it’s almost
60:40
1.2 million dollars is like 1.18 million
60:43
dollars
60:44
over their lifetime that they’re not
60:47
going to prison
60:48
they’re not using social services as
60:51
much
60:52
and the parents what we found at ace is
60:54
the parents of a students after three
60:56
years
60:58
their incomes are increasing and what we
61:00
found out
61:01
is these parents are spending 10 percent
61:05
of their money or more to help their kid
61:08
go to a private school when they’re only
61:10
making like forty forty five thousand
61:12
dollars a year for a family of four
61:13
because there’s
61:14
poor but they’re also going back to
61:16
school and finishing their own degrees
61:19
and at ace we’ve got like 23 percent of
61:22
our parents have gone back and finished
61:24
their bachelor’s degree
61:26
and other degrees certificates you know
61:28
associates degree professional
61:29
certificates
61:30
it’s actually about 48 of our parents
61:33
after three years
61:35
are getting their own degrees and
61:37
advancing their own education
61:38
so they’ve become they’ve gone from a
61:40
little over two years of staying in one
61:42
job to
61:43
eight years they’ve stayed in the same
61:45
residence from a little over two years
61:47
to about eight years so their housing
61:49
stability increases their employment
61:51
stability increases their incomes
61:52
increasing
61:54
so school choice actually can solve the
61:56
poverty problem
61:58
and income gaps as well just by increa
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helping these
62:02
these parents low-income parents and
62:05
students
62:06
get through everything get through
62:08
themselves and increase themselves
62:11
that and i’m sorry i told you that i was
62:13
going to give you the last word
62:14
i’m going to give you the last word in a
62:15
second but i have to step in
62:17
two uh two things number one uh your
62:20
uh we had someone ask if you’re single
62:22
because they want to set you up with
62:24
their mother
62:26
no i am happily married and if you watch
62:29
if you were here earlier you saw my wife
62:30
actually
62:31
yes i saw someone that’s was that your
62:33
wife okay what she knew
62:34
she knew she knew she’s concerned lenny
62:38
she’s like
62:38
my husband he’s out here looking hot
62:41
getting everyone all excited
62:42
i i want people to know there’s a lady
62:44
behind this this strong man here okay
62:46
and then uh and then uh the other thing
62:48
is
62:49
uh what was the other thing that was oh
62:51
i wanted to talk about that statistic
62:52
did i hear you correctly
62:54
the difference between someone having or
62:56
not having a
62:57
high school diploma is costing
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if they if they don’t if they have a
63:02
high school diploma
63:04
on average they will save the taxpayer
63:06
1.2 million dollars
63:09
yes
63:12
that’s yes we’re gonna update that was
63:14
done in two
63:15
in 2017 we’re actually going to update
63:17
that study this summer
63:19
and get new numbers and stuff but yes
63:20
from our last study it was 1.18 million
63:23
dollars
63:25
over a person’s lifetime that school
63:27
choice and
63:28
getting their high school diploma saves
63:30
the taxpayer
63:33
so if you get a million people and this
63:35
is broadly speaking obviously it’s
63:36
different from person to person but
63:38
generally speaking if you got a million
63:40
people
63:41
high school diplomas not just by
63:43
granting it to them but like actually
63:45
educating them so they can qualify to
63:47
graduate from high school
63:48
you just saved the taxpayer over a
63:50
trillion dollars
63:52
yep you would not to mention all the
63:56
the the societal harm of of someone
63:58
going to prison or or you know
63:59
you know the the opportunity cost uh
64:02
loss of someone who
64:03
you know instead of being uh on on
64:05
welfare is now
64:06
a business owner or you know very
64:08
successful and they’re making money and
64:10
creating jobs you know we’re just
64:11
looking at the taxpayer cost
64:13
there’s trillions more uh in in in
64:16
opportunity cost
64:17
uh lost opportunity costs from people
64:19
that would have been able to thrive
64:21
and then just the immeasurable you can’t
64:23
put a number on it but the lack of the
64:25
the reduction of suffering that would
64:28
happen as a result of it right all the
64:29
emotional toll that goes along with
64:31
crime and everything else it you know it
64:34
that it’s a great effect so yeah prevent
64:37
all of that
64:39
that’s incredible so now i’m now that i
64:42
have asked you if you’re single
64:43
and uh and and uh you know uh made sure
64:46
your wife is aware that you’re a hot
64:48
commodity now
64:49
uh but uh now i want to give you the
64:51
final word
64:52
uh talk to us about um uh the uh
64:56
talk to us about universal education
64:57
choice talk to us about ace talk to us
64:59
about all your stuff tell us whatever
65:00
you want to say
65:01
you can talk for an hour if you want to
65:02
i’m just gonna see here i love how
65:04
listening to you talk
65:04
lenny jarrett the floor is yours yeah i
65:07
work for ace scholarships they’re
65:09
located in
65:09
in denver colorado and we do
65:12
private school choice in eight states
65:15
you can see the map on our on our
65:16
website
65:18
for i know the link was on at the
65:19
beginning but
65:22
scholarship.org you can go find those
65:24
reports i discussed
65:25
some of my writing some of our webinars
65:27
as a webinar more about
65:29
actually how crime decreases because of
65:31
school choice and things like that
65:33
that we did in march there’s a lot of
65:35
information there the social
65:37
mobility report which i talked about and
65:39
the value of a diploma those numbers all
65:41
came out of our reports
65:42
that you can go into
65:44
active.ascholarships.org and find but
65:47
one of the things i love about working
65:48
with ace is
65:50
they started over 20 almost 21 years ago
65:54
now
65:55
giving getting private donations giving
65:58
kids
65:59
scholarships to private schools they
66:02
didn’t wait for the government to create
66:03
a school choice program
66:05
they created a school choice program
66:07
themselves through
66:08
private philanthropy with no real
66:11
incentive from the government to
66:13
increase the donations
66:15
and that’s why i love that we only have
66:16
two states that we actually do work with
66:18
their government with the tax credit
66:19
scholarship louisiana and kansas
66:22
that we actually work with the
66:23
government program otherwise it’s all
66:24
private donations
66:25
all private scholarships private schools
66:28
and it’s it’s it is a really great
66:30
organization if anybody wants to help
66:32
out ace scholarships.org
66:34
go and please donate you will help a
66:36
student out
66:37
i mean i’m going to put that in the
66:40
scholarships.org about 2500.
66:44
2500 thousand dollars if you have that
66:46
much money but everything helps
66:48
you actually help one student if you can
66:50
give five ten bucks if a whole bunch of
66:52
your listeners give five or ten bucks
66:54
that’s going to help a whole lot of
66:55
students and if you want to know more
66:57
about me yeah
66:58
universal education choice on facebook
67:01
you can come follow me i post about
67:03
school choice on there
67:05
you need me to come speak somewhere else
67:07
let me know too i’m
67:08
happy to talk anywhere get on as many
67:10
podcasts because i love talking about
67:12
school choice yeah you know you can’t
67:14
tell that but
67:15
i i love it i love school choice i love
67:17
helping the students because we’re
67:19
changing
67:19
lives one by one and for the most part
67:23
we’re not waiting for the government to
67:25
help change lives we’re doing it right
67:26
regardless
67:28
and i’ll have a bunch more studies
67:29
coming up i’ve been able to do a study
67:32
recently here just a small pilot study
67:35
one of the things that legislators and
67:37
school
67:38
superintendents like to say oh private
67:41
schools don’t help kids
67:42
with learning difficulties well i found
67:45
out over 80 percent of our schools in
67:46
this one area
67:47
actually do they have and some of them
67:50
specialize
67:51
in different types of learning
67:52
difficulties and they’re doing it so
67:55
we’re going to run that
67:56
survey nationally with all of our
67:57
partner schools at some point here this
67:59
year
68:00
so i’ll have more data on that but it’s
68:02
just blowing up myths that
68:04
private schools don’t cherry pick all
68:06
the elite schools absolutely do but
68:09
the all these schools that work with
68:10
school choice
68:12
they can’t cherry pick they have to be
68:14
able to take applications from all these
68:16
students and a lot of them are
68:17
first-come first-served bases
68:19
and ace focuses on low-income students
68:21
that’s what that is our niche
68:24
kids that are low income below that are
68:25
getting free and reduced lunch that’s
68:27
who we’re serving
68:29
right now and helping the most and those
68:31
are the kids that need it the most
68:32
and within two years of a student coming
68:35
into ace
68:36
they have gone from being below
68:37
proficiency to being
68:39
at proficiency within two years and
68:42
moving above proficiency
68:44
in three so i love working for ace i’d
68:47
love for you guys to get involved and
68:49
help us out and
68:50
so we can help more kids that is awesome
68:53
so and like you said yeah the the big
68:56
wig
68:57
uh you know uh uh elite private schools
68:59
that all the politicians and uh
69:01
and and teachers union heads are sending
69:03
their kids to they won’t accept uh you
69:05
know those types of cases but all of the
69:07
other ones that
69:08
is where this money would be going uh
69:10
absolutely accept them and help them
69:11
yep they do so this is so uh
69:15
ace scholarships.org uh you are um
69:19
uh what is it universal education choice
69:21
on facebook
69:22
and honestly you have to set up an only
69:24
fans man when i read some of these
69:25
comments goodness
69:26
um you’ve got a you’ve got a lot of fans
69:29
here um
69:30
so lenny you know i love you you know
69:33
the fans love you
69:34
we’re gonna have you on again soon
69:35
thanks so much man thank you so much for
69:36
coming
69:37
all right thank you i love coming on
69:39
have me on any time
69:40
absolutely man let’s stick around we’re
69:42
gonna we’re gonna talk during the outro
69:43
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