(((My Fellow Americans))) #128: Christopher Dreisbach

(((My Fellow Americans)))


About This Episode


As a recovering addict, to me one of the greatest tragedies of the war on drugs is how it ruins the lives of those who struggle with addiction.

Drug addiction is a health problem, not a criminal one, and if we want to end the overdose epidemic, we have to stop criminalizing people who need help.

Thankfully, Second Chance PA and Blueprints For Addiction Recovery are providing a much better alternative that local governments can use to help addicts, reduce their jail populations, ease the strain on social services and save taxpayers money.

How does it work? How can we expand it across the country? Find out tonight!

Their CEO Christopher Dreisbach will be on my show LIVE tonight to talk about what they’re doing to end addictions and save lives, and what he has planned for the future.

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the work he’s doing is incredible ladies and gentlemen my fellow americans please welcome to the show mr chris dry spot
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chris thanks so much for coming on man thanks for having me spiker really really looking forward to this chat too
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yeah no this is gonna be awesome man and folks be sure to uh ask us your thoughts and questions and chris and i will tell
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you if you are right or wrong now chris uh first of all uh we need to do a
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special shout out don’t we uh you are a libertarian uh and you were telling us
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uh that your uh mother and father for the first time uh voted libertarian in this uh in the i guess the 2020 election
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tell us tell us about that well uh you know for for the longest time they’ve had to listen to me talk
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about libertarianism uh you know for the longest time i’m not sure if they listened uh if they
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are listening right now maybe they can comment on that but uh you know finally i think they got
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like okay fine fine just shut up about it anyway what what is your what are your parents names
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again mary and ken mary and ken shout out to the two of you thank you for joining the movement we
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will try to tone it down on the annoyance from moving forward uh but thank you again uh
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but uh chris this is your first time on the show and uh whenever i have someone on for the first time hopefully the
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first of many uh i always open by asking uh you to tell basically your genesis
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story everyone has a reason for why they are pursuing what they are pursuing in life and trying to find fulfillment in
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and uh you know sometimes it’s an aha moment sometimes it’s something that’s happened over time uh but everyone has
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their genesis story tell us the chris dreisbach story well that’s a that’s a long tail but
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i think to sum it up uh pretty quickly i you know grew up in allentown
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pennsylvania the area of lehigh valley and you know i had literally everything
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i needed i had you know my mom and dad are still together as we just discussed you know i grew up in a great suburban
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area there’s really very few reasons for a kid like me to turn out the way that i did
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and the way that i did was i you know got involved in drinking and i got you know found marijuana the very
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dangerous marijuana and um that was a joke please please note the dangerous thing
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um you know and then i kind of moved into pharmaceuticals and psychedelics and i found cocaine and then i found heroin
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and heroin kind of took me to a whole different level in a whole different world you know from being a
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good suburban kid you know growing up the right way and doing everything i was supposed to do
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all the way into you know frequent incarceration frequent trips to
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treatment centers frequent trips to psych wards frequent trips to different doctors to try and figure out what’s
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going on just trips to everywhere we’re trying to encounter anybody that could help me
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figure out what was going on with me and that
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you know that was that was a lot of difficulty and a lot of pain and a lot
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of suffering kind of goes along with that and not just suffering for me suffering for my parents my brothers my
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community everybody around me suffered because of my medical problem you know having substance use disorder
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literally tore our entire family’s lives apart and it’s something that thankfully
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now several years later we know the answer to we know how to treat it and that is why i’m so passionate about
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assisting other people finding treatment and getting help that’s incredible that you’re doing that
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man like i said i mean i i am someone who and we talked about the first time we spoke on the phone um it’s truly one of
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those you know there but for the grace of god things i i i could have ended up in prison and
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going through the criminal justice system and unfortunately for me i i just i never did i was that one of those
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lucky people that just never never got caught at the wrong time and and you know and as a result of that i was able
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to get help but not having to you know deal with the the after effects of that now i know unfortunately that wasn’t
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your situation you actually did have some run-ins uh with the criminal justice system that have led you to want
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to come up with a better alternative why don’t we talk why don’t you talk about that a little bit and we can get into what you’re doing to make sure your
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story never has to be anyone else’s story sure so uh
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2016 you know i should probably probably back up a little bit uh you know i finally
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after three trips to jail uh several trips to treatment centers that were lackluster at best um i finally landed
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in lancaster pennsylvania where i still live and i was given at least enough therapy to at
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least allow me to begin my life over again and
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if you if you think about it for a second here when i got to lancaster i was a 20 year
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old kid i was 20 years old in 2007 and
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you know when i got here to lancaster i had 20 plus thousand dollars in court cost fees fines babysitting fees
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you know all the way down to my parole officer’s red bull from when he came to pick me up for court the one time that
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was on my court cost thing and you know i got here to lancaster i was 20 years old i had
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felonies uh several misdemeanors a bunch of summaries just an ugly ugly record
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with 21 000 plus the court cost fees and fines and
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you know anytime you ask an average person to dig out of a hole like that it’s not
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going to be simple it’s going to be extremely difficult if not impossible for most people and that’s how it felt
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to me it looked impossible when i was looking at the future of my life i felt like i was on this vicious cycle where i
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was going to go to jail and i was going to get out i was going to go back to jail and i was going to fail and i was going to get out and i was going to fail over and over and over at infinite until
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the end of time and at 20 years old that’s all i saw on the horizon and that is one of the saddest things to
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think about that a person at 20 years old is you know should be at the beginning of
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their life and doing all those things that people get to do like go to college and develop relationships with people
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and work and do those things i didn’t really have that
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so 20 000 in debt and i know it’s on the scale of
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things minuscule but it’s truly insult to injury they charged you for the red bull
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yeah yeah a couple of them actually but it was pretty funny which is yeah i mean again it’s i mean
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on the ski it’s like okay you know 20 000 plus seven bucks for all the red bulls or whatever but but just the fact
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that it’s like no actually you’re paying for every single aspect of this and it’s like you said
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if you went up to almost anyone in this country right now and said imagine if tomorrow you owed 20 grand in addition
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to whatever else you got going on you just 20 grand you got to pay it and uh and you’re gonna you’re gonna have
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problems if you don’t pay that if you’re not paying that in the structured way that they’ve told you to pay it oh boy
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are the problems you’re gonna have uh forget foreclosure you’re gonna be back in yeah yeah you just go back to jail so
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not anymore thankfully they’ve changed that at least around here a few years ago
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uh but when it was happening to me the penalty for not being able to pay was you go back to jail the penalty for not
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having a job is you go to jail the penalty for all the things that you have to do is you go back to jail but the
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great dilemma is having come out of jail i can’t get a job to this day i’m still
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not qualified to work at mcdonald’s because of my criminal record right i am the ceo of a licensed medical
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facility i’m also a you know licensed real estate agent all these other things but i’m not
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qualified to work at mcdonald’s and there’s just something
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so intrinsically wrong with anything like that that it just infuriates me not because
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of me i’ve been able to do a whole lot for myself but it infuriates me for the people who aren’t able to do that the
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people who are just just stuck in that hole and
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lose my mind that we can’t forgive we can’t forgive and forget we can’t let people move on with their lives when
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they’ve paid their fines they’ve paid their fees i paid my time i did all the things that i was supposed to do but i’m saddled
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for the remainder of my days that’s a dangerous a dangerous dangerous criminal and the
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thing is for the dangerous crime of putting something in your own body uh that what’s and what’s incredible about
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that is i mean thankfully you have a mind towards you know business success
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you have an entrepreneurial mindset which is not common you have a very supportive family that i’m sure has been
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very helpful along the way a lot of people that are in addiction don’t have those things they don’t have
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that you know get up and go and it’s not even get up and go they don’t have a mindset towards building and and growing
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successful businesses most people don’t which is fine but if they can’t work for someone else and they don’t have that
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mindset for starting their own business they’re pretty much screwed especially when they’re often not allowed to leave
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the state they’re not allowed to get certain licenses for you know doing a trade like there’s it they really are
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limited in their options and they often either don’t have a supportive family or even if their family is supportive you
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know they’re also mired in poverty or criminal justice problems and things like that and it just becomes this vicious cycle and then we’re shocked
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that the recidivism rate is in the 80 and 90 percentile range for most crimes especially drug-related crimes now um so
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you were saying you know fast forward to 2016 and and i think that’s where we left off
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yeah well fast forward to 2016 we uh we opened blueprints for addiction recovery which is as you’ve said a multi-site
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drug and alcohol treatment center here in pennsylvania and it was probably
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two years later in 2018 when we were in elizabethtown pennsylvania and we got a new police
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chief and what usually will happen when you have a drug and alcohol rehab in a town you have to go meet the police
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chief and say hey how are you you know just sorry we’ve got a bunch of people
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recovering from substance use disorder here in your town there may be some problems occasionally whatever you know
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and we were expecting to sit down for a 5-10 minute you know quick chat
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and it turned into a two and a half hour conversation about what we can do to
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work together to help people in the community and i did not expect that in any way
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shape or form because for the most most of my youth
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i looked at the police as my mortal enemy i hated them because every time i encountered those guys i got put into a
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cage and i could not stand there’s so much stigma between the police and people in the substance use community oh
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yeah that’s really unnecessary because what i’ve found at least here in lancaster county
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pennsylvania our police are really forward thinking helpers i mean we have encountered
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hundreds and hundreds of officers that are willing to do anything they can for the people in our area
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and they latched on to this program within seconds of hearing about it i
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mean it was unbelievable when we were sitting down with chief cunningham and he was talking about what he wanted to
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do and what we wanted to do it really meshed perfectly so we sat down and within a couple weeks we had developed
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this program second chance pa where we would supply certified recovery
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specialists who are individuals who have been in recovery for at least 18 months and then go through a certification
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process to learn a little bit more about how to identify with people de-escalate situations
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and those crss would be supplied to law enforcement to the community 24 hours a
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day seven days a week to respond any time a citizen is in crisis
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so anytime they encounter somebody who has substance use disorder anytime they run into somebody who needs help they
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have the opportunity to waive charges and get them into treatment now
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thankfully we have a very forward-thinking district attorney here in lancaster county as well apparently so
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who’s willing to waive those charges and allow the officers that discretion to be able to say this person needs help not
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jail that is incredible i mean i it’s it’s awesome it’s wonderful that they’re
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doing that it’s also i mean there are a lot of peo a lot of police departments a lot of da’s their entire system their
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entire careers are built on criminalizing addiction uh uh empowering drug cartels and then
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you know bilking them for revenue like you know that’s how they get their their new cars that’s how they get their their
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their you know their systems funded is through basically skimming off the drug war and criminalizing a bunch of people
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that get caught in the crossfire of that of that drug trade uh mostly addicts that are you know trying to trying to
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you know support their addiction um so it’s great that they’re realizing this isn’t just a
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thing you can skim off of this is a problem that is destroying communities and it needs to
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be needs to be addressed differently now let’s let’s walk through this so um tell me how this works so let’s say
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hypothetically i am in lancaster and i am uh i i’m i’m a drug addict and or i
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should say i’m no longer in recovery i’ve fallen off the wagon i uh i am uh
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you know either overdosing or i get caught with a substantial amount or a personal use amount or whatever
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we know how that usually goes how does that go under the program that that you’ve created second chance pa uh with
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these with these police departments and da’s i’ll tell you one of the stories from
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probably 2019 uh we had an individual who was in a place called west lampeter township
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which is a nice little suburban township here in lancaster and that individual was driving his pickup truck back to his
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farm because we have a lot of farms out here uh and he had gotten pulled over for
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something probably speeding who knows and it was found that he had seven and a half or some grams of methamphetamine on
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him and a shotgun in the back of his truck because you know a lot of people have shotguns
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of course yeah you know for hunting purposes probably yeah no of
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course you’re hunting it’s on a farm i’m a felon i have no idea i’m not allowed to have a gun think about a gun
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be near a gun uh i’m probably going to jail it’s a gun a gun you’re saying i don’t even know
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what that is yes so when you talk about the second amendment uh that doesn’t it doesn’t count for us felons we’re not allowed
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i’ve never heard of that either so but uh this guy
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i won’t drop his name but great guy uh he was struggling pretty bad you know he
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was not doing well and the officer that night knew it that he they knew they knew he wasn’t doing okay and they
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called us out and they said hey let’s get this guy some help and our crs went on steam down in the
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cornfields wherever the heck it was in west lampeter township and they met with the individual and the officer and the
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officer worked with the crs to get that person into treatment that night and i
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can tell you uh two and a half three years later he’s still doing extremely well uh still
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sober living a perfect life and you know he loves the west lamb peter township
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police because they could have put him away look at him put him in the cage and said
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look you’re just a criminal you’re a loser you’re a bum yeah you know what they said they said no i see you as a
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person and i believe that you have a chance to get better let’s do it together
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and then the police and the crs will then work together the crs keeps the police
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informed of how they’re doing in treatment so on and so forth and yeah
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because there’s nothing more powerful when a police officer sends a message through to a person in treatment and says i believe in you you’re doing a
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great job you know like there’s that’s stuff that doesn’t get to happen very often that stuff does not get
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opened for me and you know that family has now been restored that family has their their son
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back and you know i that is just one of hundreds of cases
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that i can tell you about and there’s nothing cooler nothing cooler
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than to be a part of something like that watching a transformation and i know you know it’s like because you’ve had a transformation yourself yeah and there’s
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nothing nothing greater than watching that especially when you contrast it with how that would
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have ended otherwise let’s take a step back he’s in a car he’s in a truck with meth
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and a gun usually that turns into look at this i mean you’ve seen the facebook post look
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at this dangerous criminal mastermind with his giant bag
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of meth we found and they put it on a table and the dog is next to it and it’s like this whole and this gun you know
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they make it sound like this guy was a kingpin terrorist and everyone and then all the people good job please uh thanks
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for protecting me from a drug addict who had a gun a shotgun for personal protection and and so and so they create
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and of course this person’s life is ruined uh certainly whatever led them to using meth probably means they’re not
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well positioned to try to climb out of the hole they just ended up in uh
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prison criminal record uh you know pro not having their addiction dealt with or
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addressed so they’re probably still on whatever they were addicted to and instead on the scene
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a specialist in dealing with people that are in that are are in addiction
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shows up to talk to him and but so real just taking a step back how does that go like okay so the crs
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shows up what what kind of conversation is had there this is fascinating
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that’s a that’s a different conversation in every case
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so many different ones but you know something like that probably would have been uh you know hey man uh
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you’re standing here arrested effectively uh this is probably not going very well for you you know you
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want to do something a little bit different and a lot of times you know people will
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see the dire situation that they’re in and be able to understand at least enough to say yes and at least enough to
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let us do something for them and give it a shot and you know that shot and that opportunity is all somebody needs
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because that’s all i got in 2007 was an opportunity and i took advantage of it what i want to do is give that
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opportunity to as many humans as possible that is incredible so so they they get a
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person on the scene who basically talks about their options here which i mean you want to talk about having a position
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negotiating from a position of strength you’re sitting there going listen we can give this goal one of two ways you can have your life ruined uh or we can we
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can help you and you can actually because your life was already getting ruined before you even got here let’s face it and now here’s an opportunity
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for you to to restore it and then and then so you the the your program uh
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blueprints works with this person helps them to get the the the care they need counsels them through it helps them
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through their their rehab and everything else stays in touch with the officers who often in turn stay in touch with the
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person in recovery to let them know that they’re doing the right thing and what a great job and i believe in that’s i mean
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i i i almost shed a tear on that that’s absolutely beautiful and and then they they come out of it
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and they are so just to be clear they have no criminal record from this and
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have the opportunity to essentially walk away from this not just unscathed by the
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criminal justice system but actually made whole and no longer an addiction
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correct correct and that’s the end goal is for them to resume a vital place in the life of their families and community
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and you know however we get to that point is however we get there for everybody it’s different as you know
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substance use disorder and addiction is a very personalized individualized thing and you know what works for you might
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not work perfectly for me what works for me might not work for the next guy and that’s why it has to be treated as an
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individualized thing instead of a blanket tossed over a problem like it has been since the dawn of time
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basically and you know the uh i think another the first the first case
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that we had we actually were set to launch on january 1 2019
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and the first case that we had came about two weeks earlier we had just done a training with the two two police
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departments that we started with and in the training we go over the brain science of addiction which is something
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that almost zero police officers have heard about uh we talk about the continuum of care and what it takes to
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get somebody from hopelessly addicted to living a life of purpose and then we talk a little bit about my life and kind of how that
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you know relates to that brain science and relates to that continuum of care and
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what happened was a that night later that night we did the training at 4 am and 4 pm because that
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was their shifts and later that night 2 am the next morning i guess you would say
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one of the officers a sergeant who was pretty close to retirement probably the last guy i thought would ever make a
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call to us he encountered a woman who was passed out behind a dumpster at kmart
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and she was drunk she was drunk and i guess when he shined the flashlight in her eyes
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she woke up and swung at him you know because when you’re drunk and passed out you don’t know what’s going
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on yeah yeah you don’t know what’s going on you have no idea what’s going on yeah
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you had the foresight to think oh my gosh maybe i can get this lady some help and
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he called me on my cell phone because we didn’t have a phone number set up yet uh he called me on my cell phone you
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know two in the morning and i grabbed a crs and we whipped up and met this lady and the crs got her into treatment that
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night it further turned out that she was a registered nurse and had she gotten charged with this you
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know crime of swinging at the officer and being drunk in public she would have lost her license she lost
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her job she would have been you know god knows what would have happened to that poor woman but right now she is almost four years sober
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probably a great nurse you know she’s probably doing way better at all of those things all because that one
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officer had the foresight to say this is a human and i need to treat this human as a
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human and get her help so i’m i’m not going to lie
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i’m amazed by the by how this is i shouldn’t say i’m amazed
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i’m happy about the success of your program and how it’s getting
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people out instead of having them you know criminalized just the opposite it gets them back on their feet you know we
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often don’t talk about we talk about the cost of the war on drugs but we don’t talk about the opportunity costs now
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we’re libertarians right we know austrian economic the opportunity cost of all these people
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who could have been productive and and and and contributing members of society
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and instead run up a bunch of costs in the in the criminal justice system you lose their
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all of the money that they would have made their ability to support their family is gone the ability to support themselves are gone uh you know they
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often end up because of being criminalized and being traumatized through the prison system they end up themselves becoming violent
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like we don’t often talk about the opportunity cost that all is amazing what further amazes me and probably
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amazes me even more is that so far you’ve told me a story about officers that encountered someone with meth and a
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gun and then another officer who got swung at
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and in both cases these officers responded i think this person needs help
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now is that as what do you do you attribute that to that’s just how the police are in your
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area or do you think that the work you’ve done with them has helped to humanize addicts too that like what do
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you attribute that to because that seems insane that’s that’s what’s impressing me the most right now
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i think both i think both i think most probably not all but most police become
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police to be helpers they become police i agree to serve you know and and not everybody because
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i’m sure there are some terrible ones but i think at a base level you know even if we’re all grown up as kids you
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know being a cop looks like a cool job because you get to you know do stuff and
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help people and you know whatever it is yeah i think that that is there in most
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police somewhere even if they’re jaded even if they’ve been on the job forever you know they’re that’s still there
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somewhere and i think the training that we provide gives it definitely a human feel because you can
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see that i have been successful in my life and i am clearly standing in front of them not struggling hurting you know
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dying anything like that but my history has shown with multiple arrests multiple
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you know horrendous detoxes in jail multiple you know burglaries rob things that i’ve never have done never would
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have done in my right mind they can see that there is recovery recovery is real and there is real hope
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so i do think that that plus the training and learning about the brain science of addiction and understanding
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that it’s it’s not a moral failing it’s not a will power lacking it’s not a anything like that
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all the stuff that society and nancy reagan have told us it is you know it’s
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it’s not that so i do think that both of those things contribute to those officers being able
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to act like that so you’re not just restoring the lives of those in addiction
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and the work you’re doing isn’t just doing that you’re restoring
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you’re restoring a lot of officers purpose and understanding of at least when it comes to
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addicts how that the that recalling that these are
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people and also that they’re not an abstraction of the attic that’s ruining our
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community they themselves are a victim of what’s happening as well uh
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but also in how to deal with them so it’s there’s layers here of of what’s
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happening yeah now to a point because obviously you know nobody ever held me down and forced me to drink nobody ever
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held me down and forced me to shoot heroin so i made a lot of very selfish terrible choices to get me to the point
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where i no longer had a choice in my brain so i don’t want for any
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second to think that we are taking the responsibility away from people we are giving them respect of course
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absolutely that’s one of those things that a lot of people get stuck on with this especially in the training
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especially a lot of the older officers who have grown up through the nancy reagan era
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where just say no was the answer and uh you know those guys they learn in that
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training that that’s not the case you know there is an actual neural pathway created in the brain of an individual
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who abuses substances and abuse when they learn that science coupled with an actual
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example of recovery i think it’s just too compelling the evidence is too compelling for them
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to say oh well you know screw these guys they don’t know what they’re talking about you know that they
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have to look at it and they have to see that it’s real and then when they make that first call
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it’s unbelievable i mean it brings up uh another one from that area west lampeter
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we had a guy who you know i don’t remember the exact circumstances of his case but he was
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struggling his family was you know not doing okay as a result of it and the officer down there made the connection
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with them through a domestic disturbance or something and you know she called us in and we got him
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into treatment that night and that individual now works for second chance pa and it goes out on responses and the
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officer in question uh she still gets a christmas card every year from that individual that
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individual’s mom and that individual’s grandma because they are so thankful to have
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their son back their grandson back and they’re just so thankful that that officer had the compassion to treat him
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like a person instead of just shove them into the system that’s not going to do anything for them
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an officer got called out to a domestic disturbance which presumes there might have been
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some pi i don’t know this but presumes there may have been some actual like an altercation or at least the threat of
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such which means that typically an officer responding to that there’s a heightened level of adrenaline and
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potential escalation of force and instead the officer showed up and again said
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this person needs help and then now they’re like friends and
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and that person is now helping in your organization uh uh paul boyd uh made an incredible point and i
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think that speaks to what you’re saying you know we’re talking about recovery for addicts if
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if there are law enforcement officers who have been you know structured to believe that law
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enforcement is this sort of like feedback mechanism of of harming people back who are doing harm in the community
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that kind of becomes a sort of addiction in a way and you’re teaching them
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that’s not true and here’s actually you’re dealing with people with medical problems you wouldn’t beat someone up
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for having a broken leg um and wincing if you got near them so you wouldn’t treat it this way you’re
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actually you’re doing recovery work for some of these officers as well
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actually in a lot of several cases at least we’ve run into officers and or members of officers
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families that we’ve actually been able to do interventions on and get into recovery
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just as a result of those trainings that that we’ve done wow and yeah i mean it’s it’s some unbelievable
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stuff uh the one training we did uh an officer so i give out my number at every training so that anybody can call me
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text me anytime ask me questions whatever it might be yeah and that officer did until later that night and
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he had drank several beers you know to get up the courage to call me and just say you know how much he
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appreciated what was going on and that he and his daughter were struggling with addiction
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and uh he asked me to come help and just you know these are people i looked at
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the enemy for the longest time and there’s just something so freeing and so powerful
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to be able to look at them as people you know they’re they’re no different than we are they’re just people have jobs uh
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they’re just people with jobs sometimes
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you know that has been something i have struggled continue to struggle with is i’ve been a libertarian and an anarchist
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for quite some time and i was very [ __ ] the police for a very for a while
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and it is interesting getting involved in in running for office which meant
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talking to libertarian cops who said you know and again i i still
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have i still believe you know as long as there is a war on drugs and a war on guns in a war on poverty and so forth
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that i think officers should be taking a much more active role in not just saying i’m doing my job and making that
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okay but i realized the the lengths that i go to remembering
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that i’m dealing with human beings i often was not applying to police and
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that is something that i have to consistently remind myself when i will see you know some cops some cops
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bragging about drug hauls and you know bragging about there was one that was bragging about taking signs from
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homeless people that said god bless you know and and basically soliciting or whatever and and and remembering
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like you said at some point something got screwed up there and it’s it’s folks like you
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and i i know you know this but i’m making sure everyone knows this you’re helping those cops re-center if they
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were ever there for a noble reason which i i agree with you i think the vast majority are if they were there for a
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noble reason you’re helping them to reconnect with what that noble reason was because for a long time it’s well
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i’m the sheep dog and i need to protect the sheep from these wolves and they’re just wolves and they’re bad guys and
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it’s like no no you’re not white hat they’re not black hat you’re human beings everyone is in a situation
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everyone needs help at some point you get to be the one who gets to help these folks and i think that’s absolutely
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beautiful here’s here’s a couple comments that we’ve had uh just bunch of people fantastic wonderful
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we love this i love this so much someone made sure asked me to post the details on my page uh that’s not all we’re going
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to be doing we’re going to be working directly with with chris you where the power is going to be working directly on this we’re going to try to do everything
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we can we’ll talk about that in a second um uh aj campbell says thank you for
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sharing your success thank you aj tim wise song and this actually this dovetails well into what i was about to
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ask you tim weissong says this needs to be duplicated everywhere let me ask you about that because my understanding is
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you are now up to this isn’t just in one borough or one district tell us about how you’ve been expanding recently
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so we’ve gone uh in december 2018 we started with two police
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departments and those two police departments were elizabeth town borough which is two
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square miles of not a whole lot happening here in lancaster county and northwest regional
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police which is the 45 square miles of cornfield and highway surrounding elizabethtown borough and since then
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that’s an accurate description you can look it up it’s real i believe
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since then we’ve expanded to 24 police departments in our county
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and that covers the entirety of the county save one very old very crusty police chief that will
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hopefully retire soon yes so this is something you are expanding it through the county is this i assume
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this is something you want to see statewide yeah so we’ve we’ve talked to the office
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of the inspector general which has a citizens commission on policing to keep
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an eye on the state police and just how they operate and i love the work that they’re doing and they’re
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talking about trying to expand this a bit and as you might imagine it’s been very difficult especially here in lancaster
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which is a very very red super conservative ultra conservative area uh you know
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and pennsyltucky no i know where you are yes yes you know pennsyltucky i mean we’re not that bad
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i have i have uh i have very close loved ones and family in the hanover area that’s right we were talking about that
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yeah yeah you know this we’ve we’ve grown pretty tremendously
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we started out self-funded because nobody would fund something this crazy
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so we paid for it out of pocket because we believe in this program we believe in this model
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and we self-funded it so eventually after about a year and some change of proving the concept
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the federal government hucked some money down to the state and i’m sure some of it disappeared and then they hopped it
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down to the county level and then they [ __ ] it at us and they gave us a grant to
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you know expand the program where we were able to add four additional responders because of
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this grant and actually they covered it for about a year and some change then we got in trouble for not spending
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all of the money because apparently we need to spend all the money uh so i thought to do a great job saving
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eighty thousand dollars that was not not correct so we lost the grant uh we went back to self-funding
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okay wait wait wait i i have to stop you there for a second i have to stop you okay this is
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okay okay then the county picked it up because our county is awesome and it is
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now a cover service in the county so go ahead please no no no and that’s great that they
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count sounds like your county is like the best government ever but i just want to at least when it comes to this i just want to be very clear about something
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what chris just told all of you is that because he tried to save taxpayer money
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the feds in the state went no absolutely not no we’re never giving you money again you’re supposed to spend every
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penny of that it wasn’t the state it was it was the pets the feds were like no
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your account no you have to spend every nickel of this or you were never getting
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that is that is i mean that’s on brand for the federal government uh
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so you now have this going you are expanding it across your county uh and
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hopefully and even possibly into the can you imagine if the pennsylvania state troopers start doing this
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we’re actually very close to getting the troop in lancaster on as a test run
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so we’re we’re getting close it’s just very difficult because they’re very militarized and they only listen to the
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person above them yes and there’s very little you know thought put into it
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unless you’re the people at the top and now the people at the top are starting to listen and starting to understand
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what we have going here and how we can take a lot of their problems away from them
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you know if you think about it every single time they make a referral to us that individual is gone that individual
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is not even able to reoffend because they’re out in treatment they’re getting better they’re
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in the hospital you know they’re wherever they’re supposed to be and it’s not just go to jail for one night get
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popped back out relapse immediately start offending again i think they’re starting to realize that
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this is going to crush the recidivism this is going to take a lot of the busy work off of their plates and let them
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focus on the stuff that i i would hope that focus on you know not
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me not getting shot when i drive around pennsylvania you know yes i like i like
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getting shot i mean that’s a it’s a great my one of my favorite things on in a given day is
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to not get shot um the uh the the i i highly recommend it um
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because you’re reducing violent crime like this is across the board this is solving so many problems that the criminal justice
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system uh has not done much to help they’ve been treating everything as a as a
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a mole to be whacked in the endless game of whack-a-mole but the problem is the moles come back stronger and stronger
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and stronger and bigger and bigger and bigger and more and more and more traumatized and it’s it’s not actually
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fixing the problem one of the things that i think is changing this is because the public
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is getting sick of the war on drugs even if they don’t think drugs should be legal necessarily or they don’t think
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that you know the harder drugs should be decriminalized they at least recognize the way of doing it this way ain’t
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working even if it’s still supposed to be illegal or whatever at least this isn’t working and so if
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for nothing else it’s in their best and even if they don’t have a heart even if even if they can’t be that you know
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humanize this for them at the very least they need to get reelected
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so i mean if nothing else you can demonstrate that you can be the politician uh that said
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that i was going to fix the recidivism rate i was going to clear out our jails but also reduce the crime rate uh and
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and that this is the way to do it i was going to end or greatly reduce the overdoses that are happening in our in
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our state in our county and so forth and and this is yeah uh uh justin is saying in the chat to
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protect their budgets i mean if nothing else to to protect you know having access to control of the budget
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and everything this is this is uh it’s it’s incredible man it’s it’s great that you’re doing uh what i
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want to ask you is and and uh and we can talk more details about this is uh i’m actually starting a it’s half the reason
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part of the reason i brought you on um i’m starting an organization called you were the power and without going into
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too much detail on it it’s basically going to be a single-issue uh localized activism organization for libertarians
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to work with everyone on identifying problems in our communities and then
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identifying the solutions to those problems and then and hear me out here going and trying to implement those
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solutions by going to the people in office bringing a large enough group of people to show that it’s politically
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advantageous for them to do so and actually push for those goals to happen um the reason i bring this up is uh i
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would like to work with you in the future now and in the future to help expand um blueprints and and blueprints
58:32
for addiction recovery and second chance pa not just within pa i would like to try to take this model to other places
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that are receptive to it and see if we can have a second chance america would you like to be a part of that
58:44
one billion percent yes uh that would literally make my life
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i mean i’ve spent thousands of hours over the last three years you know training police riding
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along with police uh you know just kind of learning about them and really getting to know them on a one-on-one
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level and even the you know county politicians around here uh you know there are zero elected libertarians
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anywhere near here i think there might be one or two in another county or something but yeah
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it’s a very non-politicized thing i mean we have republicans we have democrats
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and they work literally together to make this happen and and nobody makes this political in any way shape or form it’s
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about the community and it’s about people and it is about restoring their lives
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and i’m so thankful that we have people here that allowed this perfect storm to
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come together to prove a concept that works that’s awesome
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absolutely well i look forward to it man i look forward to pushing this around a bunch of people are joining on right now
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saying what i missed it’s been an hour guys like come on so uh long story short you’re gonna have to listen or either
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watch the whole thing when it’s over or listen to it but long story short uh this is chris dryspock and uh uh he and
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i are going to uh end the war on drugs and addiction in our lives long story
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short i mean that there’s you can unpack it a little bit more than that but that’s basically we’re about to work on doing that starting in uh in central pa
1:00:14
and then working out from there um but uh i think it’s incredible man i i am so happy that you are on uh and that we got
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a chance to talk about this um i i would definitely like you on more in the future we’re to do updates on how this
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is going i cannot wait to get started on this um but i i want to ask you because
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you have been an incredible guest and um well i want to mention so the scientific libertarian says zero people
1:00:40
have died in the safe usage clinic which is less than the number of people who have died in a chuck e cheese which is
1:00:46
quite an interesting statistic there i’ll agree with that statistic i mean
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it’s it’s probably true i’m sure it is because i’ve been to a couple chuck e cheeses that were pretty
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rough so that that makes sense but uh before i let you go i i seriously i’m so thankful uh for for you for you what
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you’re doing and also for being on the show um and uh but before i let you go i want to give you a chance to give your
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final thoughts let people know how to reach you let people know if there’s anything coming up that they can help with in pa um
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whatever you want to talk about for however long you want to talk about it chris dreisbach the floor is
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yours well i’m going to mute myself just i
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mean you can say well i think i think first and foremost
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if anybody’s watching this that is struggling with addiction the most important thing to remember is
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you have a medical problem it’s not your fault it’s not a failing it’s not you’re not terrible you’re not
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a criminal you’re not bad get help reach out ask
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members of the community who are in recovery for help call samsha
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do a google search 2022 go to blueprintsrecovery.com you know we’re always happy to help anybody anytime
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that’s the most important thing that i want to get out of the way but also if you want to get involved in this go to
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your elected officials go to your police departments and say why aren’t we doing this why aren’t we treating humans like
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humans why are we still putting people in cages why are we acting like it’s 1972 it’s 20 22.
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let’s move into the 21st century together let’s help our neighbors help our families help our friends
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get better and we sit here with an entire generation dying
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dying overdosing on opioids i can’t even tell you the hundreds of friends that i’ve lost i can’t tell you the hundreds
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of families i’ve seen torn apart all because of something that is treatable
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and preventable and it’s completely unnecessary for it to continue happening we have the answer
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to addiction we just need to spread that around a little bit more break down those stigmas
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come together and beat this thing and really thank you spike for bringing me on here because this has been a blast
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i didn’t even realize it’s been an hour it only felt like it went by quickly right by the way and
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i and thank you and like i said we’re just getting started on this we’re going to do some incredible stuff together man
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and i i have to give another shout out because mary is still watching mary uh for this is for you and for ken
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because and i will say this as someone who also is a recovering addict and who
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is also incredibly grateful for very supportive parents i am certain that there were times when supporting this
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young man right here didn’t wasn’t quite as pleasant as it is right now and that you still did it because you loved him
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and you knew what he was capable of doing and you knew that he was gonna get past it now look at what he’s doing he’s
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saving lives and you have a very big part of that you’re you’re i
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i don’t even know the full story but i know the full story i know that your support uh is a major instrumental part
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of why chris is still here with us why he’s healthy with us and why he’s doing the incredible things he’s doing which
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we are just getting started on so huge shout out for you the least of which for voting for me i mean that’s on the scale
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of things i mean again i brought it up because that is important that you did and i thank you for it but uh that is
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the least of what i thank you for thank you for this young man and let me make sure i’m
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pointing correctly and and for the work we’re about to do and so shout out to both you chris
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lots of love we are going to get a lot of really great stuff done i can’t wait to get started on it uh samara
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covarrubias i hope i’m saying that correctly she wants to expand this to ohio with liberty shamrocker said the
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same thing uh that’s that’s the right right next door so no this is all we are gonna folks this is
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this is a lot of restoration we are about to do and i i’m excited to do it chris thanks again for coming on man i
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really really appreciate it thank you thank you absolutely stick around man we’re going
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to talk to her in the outro folks thanks again for joining this incredible episode of my fellow americans and thank
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you thank you she said she’s proud of both of us mary said she’s proud of both of us thank you mary i’m proud of you as
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well thank you um and uh but thank you for joining this episode of my fellow americans uh definitely stay tuned
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follow uh blueprints for addiction recovery uh follow uh second chance pa
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be sure to uh to follow them share their content make sure people know about them
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spread the word about this we’re gonna do some incredible incredible stuff dakota logan says want to see this happen in arkansas there’s
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we want to do this everywhere guys so uh justin says smash the like button wherever you see this guy and his stuff
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like follow subscribe and and the rest of that uh but again folks thanks so much for tuning in uh we are going to
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keep you updated on this uh and we’re just getting started be sure to tune in tomorrow thursday at 8 00 pm eastern for
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the writer’s block where my muddied waters co-host matt wright has his show his guest is andrew heaton and they’re
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going to be talking a very very deep conversation a very very cool conversation about uh foreign policy uh
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specifically in regards to ukraine and russia uh it’s already pre-recorded so i already know how awesome it is
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you do not want to miss that friday at 2 p.m eastern is a matinee
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episode of mr america the bearded truth with jason lyon always a great episode be sure to tune into that and then we
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will see you right back here next wednesday is actually going to be the muddy waters of freedom we’re not having
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an episode of my fellow americans next wednesday that’ll be the following wednesday but we will see you right back here same spike place same spike time
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for another episode of the muddy waters of freedom uh wednesday at 8 pm and then the following week i’ll be back with my
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show my fellow americans but again folks oh and i always forget to do this subscribe subscribe subscribe subscribe
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become a subscriber subscribe subscribe become a subscriber less than 10 a month
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all sorts of stuff i forgot to tell you earlier that you get a discount at a bunch of different stores in the muddy waters media store you’re packed it pays
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for itself i’m practically giving it to you that’s how good of a deal it is uh but again thank you again for being a
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part of my fellow americans i love you can’t wait to see you again and i will see you for the next episode i’m spike
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cohen and you are the power god bless guys
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so
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in reality you were my kin though i view the world through another’s iris if you slide in my kicks it might fit
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we might just unite them come together become hybrid at the least slightly
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like-minded indeed the life i’ve lived brings light to kindness all you need is a sign
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put a cease to the crimes put an ease of the minds like mine sometimes darkness is all i find you
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know what they say about an eye for a night [Music]
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don’t tell me why
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make a change [Music]
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Spike Cohen
Spike Cohen
Local Jew. Contrarian stoic sentimentalist. Antidisestablishmentarianism. 2020 Libertarian VP candidate. Will pet your dog.
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