(((My Fellow Americans))) #42: AnarchoJudaism POWER HOUR with Yaakov Markel

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as always guys before I introduce my
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guest a very important update on
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something that has been wracking the
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followers of my of muddy waters media
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for the last 48 hours now we had
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probably one of the most important polls
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you’ve ever had definitely one of the
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most engaged polls we’ve ever had the
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age-old question of which would you
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rather fight an elephant-sized turtle or
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5,000 turtle sized elephant and we got a
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lot of questions and a lot of confusion
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and and a lot of anger there were civil
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people were angry and I wasn’t ready for
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the anger but they were and but it’s
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it’s it’s it for a while there it was
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neck-and-neck at one point it was I
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think that the turtle sized LFE were at
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like 50.1% and the turtle the elephant
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sized turtle was at forty nine nine now
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the for quite a while now the elephant
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size turtle in the last 24 hours has
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just completely pulled away it’s not
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even close anymore or at least it’s not
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a close enough statistically for the the
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turtle size lfi to come back so even
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though there’s still another I think
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hour left on the poll we are comfortable
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calling the poll for elephant sized
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turtle and with over over 500 votes I
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think we got close to 600 votes and so
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so that is the and that actually is the
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correct answer
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an elephant sized turtle the turtle size
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LF I would run you down there’s just too
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many of them so I’m glad we got that
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update um so now that we’ve got that out
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of the way my guest tonight I’m very
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excited about my guest tonight is even
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more Jewish than me
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which is not difficult sadly he’s also
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equally as anarchist as I am which is
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more more difficult he’s the co-founder
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of a narco Vegas which will be and pull
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that up that’s going to be the very
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first year of a narco Vegas it’s gonna
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be in Las Vegas Nevada on July 20th and
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21st we’re gonna be talking more about
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that but ladies and gentlemen without
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any further ado please welcome to my
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fellow Americans the Anarchy Jewish man
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himself mr. Yakov Marco Marco
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yeah cough thank you for joining thank
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you for having it I’m really excited to
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have you on man um so yes so guys uh be
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sure to comment with your questions and
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thoughts and yaakov and I will tell you
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if you are right or wrong now Jakob this
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is your first time as a guest and the
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first question that I asked new guests
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whenever they come on in my show for the
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first time is how did you become in your
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case an anarchist have you always been
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an inner kiss was there this aha moment
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or kind of a gradual evolution tell us
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about that so I’m okay but to be honest
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my grandfather was born in Frankfurt
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on my father’s side my grandfather
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wasn’t one in Frankfurt in 1921 and they
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escaped Frankfurt they escaped Germany
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right before the war the Nonis
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citizenship anywhere they weren’t you
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know they were kind of they were in
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France they sort of may be a way to
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Israel and didn’t get any citizenship
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they didn’t none of them had citizenship
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until they eventually got citizenship
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from the British Palestinian citizenship
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from British my grandmother was actually
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born in in Jaffa Palestine in 1923 also
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didn’t have citizenship until she was
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maybe 18 or 19 or something like that so
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nationalism was never really something
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that you know that we had on my father’s
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side because shortly after 1948 after
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the socialist basically took over in
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Israel they said well you know my
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grandfather basically said we can’t do
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business here so let’s get that data
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here so they actually left when Israel
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was formed yes yeah yeah they were they
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were sort of on that you know you had
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people don’t realize but but there was
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sort of a civil war going on at that
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time also so they were part of the hey
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Ruth party it means freedom and that was
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basically the only free market party and
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obviously the Socialists won
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and so Israel became essentially a
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social
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this country communist almost communist
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it was it was pretty close to a
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communist country yeah yeah yeah not
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quite
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you know Soviet Communism but basically
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no recognition of property rights or you
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know no no enshrinement of rights like
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you have in the Bill of Rights in the
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Constitution nothing like that right
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they looked at that and they said well
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you know it’s time to leave so when they
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decided they wanted to move to Los
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Angeles that family in LA and so they
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moved to Canada my father was like five
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years old
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they moved to Canada and then eventually
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made their way to LA that’s interesting
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that’s interesting so my father’s side
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of the family also came to the u.s. from
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Canada and this would have been around
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it was earlier though it was around the
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late 1800s Early 1900s and some of them
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are still up in the in the Maritime
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Provinces up in the in the eastern
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provinces but uh but they came down and
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settled in Massachusetts where most of
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them are now we’re the ones that were
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the snowbirds that moved to Myrtle Beach
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but so yes that’s interesting so these
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were two stateless people or for a long
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time stateless people they settle in
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essentially their historical home our
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historical homeland and they go okay
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this is working out for us and then when
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people go great news we’re gonna make a
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Jewish state and also it’s gonna be
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communist like they’re like no no we’re
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out of here
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well the funniest part is that my
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grandmother’s family and you know I’ve
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been in Palestine for hundreds of years
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at least you know a lot of difference
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sort of that because we can’t race you
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know my my grandmother’s grandfather was
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a rabbi in Jerusalem and you know just
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goes back and back so yeah that’s funny
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it was the times I got a Jewish
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socialist state it’s not really a Jewish
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state you know it’s uh it’s a secular
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state with a Jewish majority population
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it’s a Jew flavored secular socialist
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state right like I resist there was a
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huge debate about even mentioning God in
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the founding charters and they they came
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to a settlement where they used a term
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that means the rock of that’s
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memories failing me now the rock of
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something and they were able to say well
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we meant God but then but then some of
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the people that signed off on it said we
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never signed off on God that was
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supposed to be like meaning our heritage
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and culture not not God so it was not a
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there’s been a lot of revision now to
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make it into this like that this was
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this biblical thing that happened in it
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really great don’t say put up his
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railing flags or celebrate Israel in
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much of any way a lot of Jews actually a
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lot of worth of knocks Jews in Israel
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don’t you know don’t celebrate you know
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Israeli Independence Day or right for
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this moment of silence or or what you
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know they don’t pay taxes is that
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actually pretty staunchly Orthodox
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anti-israel community in Israel refused
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to vote for the most part they refused
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to sign up to the military right yeah
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interesting but they’re still in Israel
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well okay yeah cuz I know there are the
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ones that I forget what their name is
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but I know there are a lot of them in
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like the Brooklyn New York area that
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believe that um that Jews aren’t even
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supposed to go back there until the
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mashiac until Messiah comes and but so
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these are just ones that are like we
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didn’t agree we we didn’t consent to any
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of this you know you came here and did
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your own thing and we just don’t want to
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be a part of it that’s funny
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Oh Jews don’t believe it’s not that they
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don’t believe that Jews should go back
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to live there it’s fine to go and live
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there but it’s they feel that it’s it’s
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incorrect to to create a Jewish state
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you know right create a political entity
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they can live there and be under they
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you know they were under the Turks and
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they were under British rule and right
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alright so but to create a to fight
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against the world and create a Jewish
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political entity that they feel is
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outside of the bounds of Judaism right
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right and this kind
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so from what I’ve read so there have
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been a lot of prominent Jewish
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anarchists there have also been a lot of
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prominent Jewish everythings but that
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just seems to be what we do but we tend
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to rise to prominence but it seems to me
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and incorrectly see I was going to say
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it but uh but uh you know it seems to me
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if you look at a people who are a tiny
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tiny tiny minority of people I mean
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you’re talking what like 50 million or
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less than 50 million Jews in a world and
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a planet of 7 billion people you know
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the the I mean to call them a minority
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is is almost a joke I mean they’re
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they’re they’re you know where they’re
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are so very very few of us and and then
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and then beyond that so many of us are
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over time you know mixed with other
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races and things like that so I mean
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there’s it’s you know we don’t it would
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be hard for us to create a a big
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national structure and when you look at
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the history of how we’ve been treated in
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other countries how what has happened in
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countries where the government has
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gotten bigger and bigger what almost
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inevitably results every time you would
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think that Jews should or I would think
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you can correct me if you’re if I’m
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wrong but if you’re if you disagree but
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it seems like you should be natural
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anarchists or at least natural
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libertarians and yet Jews by and large
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tend to vote for most people tend to
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vote for ever-increasing government but
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most Jews seem to be on the edge of the
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spear of voting for ever-increasing
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government you think of Bernie Sanders
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who is you know the the main figurehead
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of democratic socialism in the US and
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why do you think that is it’s it’s
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really odd and it actually makes no
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sense historically governments have
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never worked out for the Jews you know
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it’s just been it’s been a story of
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persecution for 2,000 years right right
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more even so so the idea that
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Jews are so trove statism exists it kind
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of boggles the mind you know you know
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the funny funny thing to note there are
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actually more US government employees
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than there are Jews in the world that
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doesn’t surprise me
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IIIi I’m sure I’m sure that’s I mean
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it’s just it’s absurd to me you you you
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look at even in biblical times if you if
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you even reading even reading that even
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the reading the Torah you it’s just one
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story after the next of a larger nation
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coming in and the Jews having to fight
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to overcome them and then and then after
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that you know historically they stopped
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being able to overcome them and had to
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kind of scatter out and and make their
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way the best they could and I’m just
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thinking like how would you not come out
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of that saying that we do better just
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having voluntary interactions with
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people who want to associate with us and
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not being a so forced into association
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with people who at some times the
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majority of whom either are ambivalent
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to us or outright hate us it just it
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makes it makes zero sense to me what you
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know and again oh go ahead
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it’s a fairly new development throughout
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history Jews have mostly been pretty
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anarchist you know when they were in the
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Soviet Union you know they were doing
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things underground the black market
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having Jewish schools and you know
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whatever they needed to do kosher food
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they had to everything had to be black
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market it was very anarchist and then
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prior to that before under the Tsar’s
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they were essentially underground and
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black market and anarchist and beyond
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that and so on and so forth actually the
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story of Purim is that come on the the
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antagonist and that story he his
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complaint against the Jews is that they
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follow their own laws they don’t follow
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the laws of the King they have their own
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holidays they do their own thing they
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don’t pay taxes it’s right right yeah
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and and and I mean if you look at I mean
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so the Jews they have their there
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rabbinical laws and they have their
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Rabbinate that is you know telling him
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telling them how to live by it and they
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know we want a king and so there’s a
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whole part of the Bible which is the
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folly of demanding a king and all the
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terrible things that come as a result of
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that well it’s right there I mean like
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literally if you’re a religious Jew it’s
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right there telling you don’t do this
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and and yet here we are III I don’t get
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I I think some of it might have to do
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with the cabooses and the fact that
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they’re like basically communes but
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they’re voluntary communes and they
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still have a inherent respect for
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private property because even if they
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themselves are sharing all of their
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stuff in common and I don’t know what
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kibbutz is or at least traditional
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kibbutz is how much private property is
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even allowed but they are inherently
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respecting the fact that outside of
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their kibbutz are people that either are
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in their own kibbutz –iz or are just
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doing their own thing and not in a
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kibbutz and they respect that they
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aren’t trying to take their private
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property and say you know your attempt
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to own this property is theft um
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now maybe you know more than more than
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me on this dukkha Boots’s have any level
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of like private ownership or is it just
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everything is shared in common or does
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it vary there their whole difference
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right very good as a know my mother
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actually when she was a kid her parents
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were socialists actually card-carrying
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social New York socialists and they’d
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but they’re gonna go and join a kibbutz
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really staunch you know communists to
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boots in Israel I forget the name of it
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but it’s one of the more extreme ones
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and they lived there for about a year
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and this is one of the very extreme ones
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where you know you have no there’s no
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self ownership even where right my
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mother and her sister were not they
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didn’t live with their parents they
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lived in a in a children’s barracks and
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oh wow their parents weren’t allowed to
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show them any more attention or
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affection than they showed to any of the
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other children in the Google it was a
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really hardcore Wow Ian essentially dad
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so very quickly they came back to the
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states back to the
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literally never mentioned communism
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again cured them of any interest in in
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communism whatsoever well and the thing
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I mean that’s the the final cat’s the
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logical conclusion is your children
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aren’t yours they belong to the people
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quote unquote
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and I mean you look at Apple though most
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of the most like you puts him in Israel
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are much more like you said you know
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just so their joint ownership of the
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area and everybody kind of works
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together but it’s not well and that’s
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what I was thinking because I’ve seen
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some people refer to some of these um
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these settlements as kibbutz is and I’m
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like I see shops and I see like this
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looks maybe there’s some shared
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ownership and some of them but it didn’t
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look very kaput see to me but but I
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assume that it was probably that there’s
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there’s variation between them it’s it’s
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just i but but that’s perfect example
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you say I want real communism so you go
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and experience in real communism then
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you come back and never were these were
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they still socialists after that or they
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just won’t even talk yeah that’s the
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best the best it’s about it’s actually
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it’s like a vaccine you get to live
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socialism and then it makes you immune
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to wanting it ever again that is a plea
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card-carrying socialists that’s ya know
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exactly now it’s kind of chic and cool
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and you wear your Che Guevara shirt but
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back then I mean they were looking for
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hammers and sickles you know hidden ones
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on cakes and stuff and you know
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blackballing people for um so like I had
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mentioned you know Jews make up some of
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the most prominent people across the
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board you have you know marks on the
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Communist side you have someone like a
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Rothbard on the on the on the I guess
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anarcho-capitalist side you’ve got you
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know on the chicago school side you’ve
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got Friedman and I mean you could do
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this all day long
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um yeah one Mises you’ve got all these
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people
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hey so then I guess I guess the question
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how much better are we than the non us
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how much better are we how much better
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whatever whatever metric you want to use
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like you know like how many how many
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tiles does it take to makin us actually
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answer that well I mean you know a
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ballpark ballpark you know we’re a
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Turkish right so everything comes down
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to the individual right there are good
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people and there are bad people there
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are some fantastic Jews out there and
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there’s some pretty horrible Jews out
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there right uh my brother was a prison
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chaplain for a while and he he was out
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in Tennessee or somewhere over there
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visiting Jewish prisoners and he talked
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to this guy who was a serial killer in
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the 80s who killed like 89 people or
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something know like the guy was Jewish
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but that doesn’t you know nobody except
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but he is but he excelled at being a
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murderer oh sure he was great at it
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right so he’s overachiever getting
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caught though oh well yeah well I mean
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you know that you killed that many
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people eventually eventually someone
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catches up to you so that was a very
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diplomatic answer the correct answer is
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actually seven seven oh yes seven um so
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yeah no that’s okay um so we’ve been
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talking a little bit about Israel
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already I’m gonna take a wild stab and
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say that you would not consider yourself
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a Zionist is that correct correct what
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is your thought it’s so that that’s what
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I was gonna say what in in in terms of
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because I have some thoughts on this but
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I want to get yours first what is your
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thoughts
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we’re anarchists so when people say to
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me do you support the Israeli state I’m
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like I don’t support any state and
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they’re like yeah but what about that
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one and I’m like also that one like I
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don’t you know I don’t I don’t support
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in terms of I don’t want to lead you on
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too much what what would you what are
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your thoughts regarding Israel and the
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Jewish people in the Holy Land and all
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of that stuff I
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I actually lived in Israel for a little
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while okay and you know it’s a beautiful
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country I have a lot I feel a lot of
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personal connection there I have a lot
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of you know family history there
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obviously mm-hmm
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technically I’m a Palestinian citizen
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technically I’m an Israeli citizen
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technically I’m a US citizen technically
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I’m a Canadian citizen
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no wow yeah actually have my Canadian
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citizenship papers here but those are
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all just citizenship designations that’s
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just a government that claims ownership
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right right
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so I couldn’t care less about those
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things as far as I’m concerned I mean I
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like the idea of having these multiple
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citizenships because it’s a dilutions
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but other than that you know let them
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fight over me right but other than that
25:05
I couldn’t care less about any of them
25:08
you know I’m no more I’m no more Israeli
25:11
than I’m Canadian or American these are
25:13
all just made up or Palestinian all of
25:15
these are made up political entities
25:19
that are connected to some criminal gang
25:22
that that wants to control my life right
25:25
right right
25:25
they’re all bright sure yeah but it’s
25:28
fine ISM is concerned the idea of sign
25:31
is the original like religious ideas
25:34
ioan ism of a Jew wanting to you know
25:38
feeling a yearning to return to their
25:39
homeland and live in the place of our
25:41
forefathers you know that’s that’s
25:45
something I feel although I won’t really
25:48
do it simply because I absolutely
25:50
despised Israeli government right sure
25:53
yeah and that’s so that’s sort of where
25:57
I am when people ask me you know so of
25:58
course I live in the south and so the
26:01
two main things you hear from Christians
26:06
in the South when you say that you’re
26:07
Jewish are actually two things one thing
26:12
is well oh my savior’s a Jew which I
26:15
used to be like really and then after a
26:17
while I’m like you know what that’s
26:18
actually that’s your thing and it’s
26:19
important to you and good I’m you know
26:21
I’m happy for you and and thank you I
26:23
get that it they actually mean well by
26:25
the second thing is oh wow I’m a very
26:27
strong supporter of Israel right and I’m
26:30
like okay and then they they’re like
26:32
you know their body they want to hear
26:34
what I have to say about it and they’re
26:35
like what do you think about you know
26:37
what’s his name the head of the Hamas or
26:41
what do you think about that huh about
26:44
Hamas or what do you think about
26:46
Netanyahu or what do you think I’ll just
26:48
be like yeah you know and again it’s how
26:50
you know do I want it like black pill
26:53
this person or am I just trying to have
26:55
a nice conversation out you know Kroger
26:57
and and so I’ll just be like Cobras are
27:00
store by the way um I’ll I don’t know if
27:03
you haven’t but I’ll just be like you
27:05
know most of time I’m just like yeah you
27:06
know it’s really terrible what’s going
27:07
on over there and I I just hope that
27:09
they can you know work things out but
27:10
the longer answer is what you were
27:12
saying is like you know these are
27:14
criminal gangs of people and whatever
27:16
you know critical things you want to say
27:19
about Hamas which are valid things that
27:21
you want to say can pretty much for the
27:22
most part be said about Israel or the US
27:25
or Italy I mean you can you these are
27:28
our gangs of people who are using sheets
27:32
of paper that they wrote on or someone
27:33
else wrote on and then stealing money
27:35
from you to hire XTC students to point
27:39
guns at you and and shout out to the C
27:42
students that you know to point guns at
27:45
you and force you to do what it says on
27:48
the sheet of paper while they ignore it
27:49
almost completely and but am i a
27:53
scientist to the extent that you know
27:57
the idea of Jews going back to you know
28:00
their historic homeland and you know
28:02
forming voluntary communities to to
28:06
where they can feel safer than where
28:08
they historically have felt in in other
28:10
times yeah I’m all I’m all for that but
28:13
I I I’m like you like III don’t
28:16
particularly want to go there a because
28:19
I think what’s going on over there is
28:20
insane and I I don’t want in going there
28:23
to be seen as condoning that and then
28:28
and and I mean it’s bad enough I live in
28:30
the US where I’m essentially you know
28:33
implicitly participating in what the US
28:36
government does but yeah I don’t I don’t
28:39
it’s very interesting and do you do you
28:41
find that like when people who don’t
28:44
already know your situation when they
28:46
hear your
28:47
they’re like shocked if they find out
28:50
that you’re not like this so much is
28:51
real supporter yeah that was my next
28:58
question
28:58
yeah one of my one of my lines is you
29:05
know when I want to troll people a
29:06
little bit as I say I’d like to see
29:08
illegal Jewish I’m sorry
29:10
illegal Mexican settlements in Gaza I
29:14
like that they convert to Judaism
29:18
they’ll build it so go they just come
29:21
over
29:23
well they’ll be I mean they’ll build
29:25
them in ten seconds I’ll tell you so I
29:28
mean back home which you know South
29:31
Carolina we’re all we’re against those
29:32
illegals were against those illegals and
29:34
yet everywhere I look there’s an illegal
29:35
building something or I presume in an
29:38
illegal I I shouldn’t do that but uh I
29:41
mean anyway so back home a paving
29:46
project takes the better part of a week
29:48
like you know taking up the old pavement
29:51
and putting now it’s like a few days
29:52
here in Toronto you know the community
29:56
we live in here has taken on a paving
29:58
project and it’s like it’s into month
30:01
two and and we’re and we’re having to
30:04
take out the communities having to take
30:06
out a loan because of some unexpected
30:07
it’s flat like there aren’t any hills
30:10
here like it’s just paving and uh and
30:12
and it’s you know it’s union labor it’s
30:15
Canadian Union labor and I occasionally
30:18
see them working and I’m like man back
30:21
home this already be done and it would
30:24
have cost even after the conversion rate
30:28
from Canadian to you it would have cost
30:30
a fraction and it’s because of
30:32
essentially Greg if not black market
30:34
then gray market activity that’s getting
30:37
around all of the different regulations
30:38
and and you know wage laws and
30:40
everything else and saying now we’re
30:41
just gonna do it cheaper with all these
30:42
Mexicans that’ll do it or I shouldn’t
30:44
say that I don’t know that they’re
30:46
Mexican I don’t know these these
30:50
suspiciously undocumented persons who
30:53
are you know building this stuff in a
30:55
matter of you know seconds to the to the
30:57
hour compared to to you know to
30:59
other people and and and it’s it’s
31:01
interesting that people will easily
31:04
benefit from illegal activity and then
31:09
turn around and like vote for a wall or
31:11
you know vote for you know these can’t
31:14
these internment camps essentially that
31:16
they’re building to you know to deal
31:18
with to deal with the other recipe
31:22
what’s that yeah and yeah yeah yeah and
31:28
they go out to restaurants where do you
31:30
think it and obviously it’s cognitive
31:32
dissonance but where do you think that
31:35
let me ask you this because you you
31:37
mentioned something you said that you
31:39
didn’t realize you were an anarchist was
31:41
there ever a point where you thought you
31:42
were a conservative or a progressive or
31:45
anything like that or but actually you
31:55
know outside of a grocery store or
31:57
something like that and said oh I’m
31:58
registered to vote so I actually
31:59
registered as an independent and at that
32:04
point I already had very libertarian
32:05
views but by the time I was yeah by the
32:10
time I was 18 I think I already could
32:11
that forum consider myself a libertarian
32:15
wasn’t really into the Libertarian Party
32:18
per se but as far as the libertarian
32:20
philosophy that was something that I I
32:22
connected to okay and then as I as I got
32:26
more and more educated I found I found
32:30
Luke von Mises and Murray Rothbard and
32:33
write up and started realize okay yeah
32:37
that’s what I yeah yeah then I worked
32:38
for it but but but yeah I was just sort
32:43
of I was I was always anti-authoritarian
32:46
I stopped standing for the national
32:47
anthem when I was in second grade my
32:50
mother was a teacher in this school also
32:52
got you know got a little bit of trouble
32:54
but you know managed to circumvent all
32:58
of that and and I kept it up and that
33:01
was it last time I ever stood for the
33:02
national anthem was like second grade
33:04
and I just you know I always thought to
33:08
myself you know this whole or not the
33:11
national anthem the Pledge of Allegiance
33:12
but yeah
33:13
Pledge of Allegiance hey you know in
33:15
school myself what is this nonsense I’m
33:19
pledging allegiance to to like a flag
33:21
you know this cloth and right this room
33:24
thick and my people you know if I’m a
33:28
religious Jew why would I pledge
33:30
allegiance to anybody but God you know
33:32
and so that kind of that was my thought
33:35
process in second grade I was like this
33:37
doesn’t make any sense so I’m not gonna
33:38
do it and I was always very hard-headed
33:41
so so I just stopped well in that in
33:44
death I think that kids intuitively get
33:47
it cuz we always used to I was
33:48
home-schooled part of my time in school
33:50
and then and then school in public
33:52
schools when I was in public schools all
33:53
I remember about the Pledge of
33:55
Allegiance was like kids giggling and
33:57
that’s when people would throw stuff at
33:58
each other because the teachers facing
34:00
the flag and like you know like we
34:02
didn’t really I think you intuitively
34:04
get that this is kind of a joke right
34:06
like it’s like I love you flag I mean it
34:10
was a repetition year after year after
34:13
year it in grains in you you know people
34:17
if you go to a football game
34:19
don’t gone you know people stand for
34:22
that anthem and it’s like you know if
34:26
you’re sitting down I’ve had this happen
34:29
it’s not my thing but somewhere you know
34:32
yes like oh hey they’re doing the
34:34
national anthem I’m gonna just pull my
34:36
phone out and check Facebook or whatever
34:39
right right
34:40
like there’s something wrong with you
34:43
you know yeah yeah I saw and the thing
34:47
is like I’m not cuz they’re people that
34:48
they want to scream during the anthem
34:50
and say like oh you’re a bunch of
34:51
bootlegger to me I’m just like that’s
34:53
their thing and if someone wants to
34:55
gives me a hard problem a hard time for
34:57
not doing it then that’s when it’s sort
34:59
of like if I wouldn’t if I went to
35:00
someone’s you know church or someone’s
35:03
mosque or whatever and they started
35:04
praying and I’m not gonna like this is
35:08
stupid I don’t believe in this like you
35:09
know like then then you know I’m just
35:12
sort of out of like kind of a
35:14
combination of respect and and and
35:17
unnecessary confrontation avoidance I’m
35:20
just like yeah you do your thing so
35:21
we’ve got a couple questions really
35:23
there is one so what’s that it is a
35:27
yeah yeah it is so we got a couple of
35:30
really serious questions
35:31
Aaron Nakamoto asks are you an ATF agent
35:35
iron yes any an ATF agent nice that’s
35:44
good
35:45
that’s good no I mean I’m already if I’m
35:47
not being watched and someone is
35:48
slacking so I’m not even really worried
35:50
about I’m live on multiple venues but in
35:52
public if I’m not being watched and DHS
35:56
has failed all of you Matt right asked
36:00
what vape are you using what babe this
36:03
is the ovn s JC 0 1 and it’s essentially
36:07
a dual compatible battery and you just
36:14
talk to pops in there and that’s it and
36:16
it’s basically double the size battery
36:17
so that’s what I’m using ok
36:20
hopefully the AC zero one okay good yeah
36:24
Matt does vape so he actually knows what
36:27
any of that meant that you just said um
36:29
so that’s good so ok so this is the the
36:37
awkward and inappropriate time to plug
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37:23
but I wanted to get your thoughts about
37:26
I usually try to come up with some kind
37:28
of the incredibly corny segue to go in
37:31
and out of that but I just couldn’t be
37:32
bothered for this episode I’m just
37:35
chilling um but um so I wanted to get
37:37
your thoughts on crypto this kind of a
37:39
interesting time to talk about crypt
37:40
it’s back on the rise again after a year
37:44
of everyone going home crypto is a joke
37:46
and now we’re back on what’s probably
37:49
gonna I think be another moon shot but I
37:54
wanted to get your thoughts on Krypto
37:56
obviously you’re an anarchist do you
37:58
think that Krypto is the future of
38:02
currency like the crypto advocates say
38:07
it is do you think it’s just gonna
38:08
occupy a space in the world of finance
38:11
or do you think it’s a fad like like
38:14
pogs or bottle caps or whatever I think
38:20
that it’s absolutely the future is never
38:26
going back in I think it’s like you know
38:29
people that may say it they’re sort of
38:31
like Krugman talking about the Internet
38:34
that’s a good thing the fact the fax
38:37
machine actually sent somebody a friend
38:41
that was out here he wanted you wanted
38:43
to he had to do some kind of trade I
38:46
forget what the details were exactly so
38:48
he just needed a bunch of Bitcoin just
38:52
very quickly so he so I sent them some
38:56
Bitcoin and he was trying to send me
38:58
cash for it you know US dollars for it
39:01
right and he to go to his bank and stand
39:05
in line for you know 20 minutes and go
39:07
talk to a person and do a bunch of
39:09
signatures and get a cashier’s check and
39:11
get a whole bunch of you know do a whole
39:13
bunch of paperwork and deal with three
39:15
different people and jump back in his
39:17
car and drive across town to go to my
39:19
bank and deposit it and stand in line
39:21
over there and the whole thing right you
39:23
know took half his day and then you know
39:27
he’s the part of this positive this
39:28
cashier’s check in to my account that’s
39:30
not a personal check it’s a cashier’s
39:32
check but it still takes you know
39:34
whatever it is 24 hours or something
39:36
right and cleared right now and and I’m
39:40
you know thinking about this situation
39:41
and here I sent him you know X number of
39:46
Bitcoin and it’s in it’s in his wallet
39:49
20 minutes later right right you know
39:52
Ferb
39:54
nothing for you know maybe you know 70
39:56
cent or dollar transaction fee and and
40:01
that’s it that’s that’s the whole
40:02
transaction and he had to go and pay $25
40:06
for a cashier’s check
40:07
all of this rigmarole for you know to
40:11
accomplish essentially the same thing
40:13
probably sending him and me money the
40:15
same transaction it’s just the other
40:17
side of it but so ridiculous and so the
40:20
idea that the old system is is somehow
40:25
better than cryptocurrency is just
40:28
insane yeah I’m not sure if I so I I
40:32
wouldn’t say and I by the way I agree
40:34
with you I’m not sure the argument is
40:35
that the old way is better quote-unquote
40:38
I think it’s two arguments one is that
40:40
government is going to you know make
40:43
fiat be what you use and then the other
40:46
argument is that you know cryptocurrency
40:50
even though a specific currency can have
40:53
a fixed amount you can also copy that
40:57
block code and you know make essentially
41:00
a million different bitcoins or or make
41:02
your own blockchain and you know make
41:05
whatever so it’s it’s sort of de facto
41:06
unlimited but what is your small there
41:09
are essentially zero value and and the
41:17
government can try to say that you know
41:20
you can only use our currency and you
41:22
know make other currencies illegal and
41:24
so on for example they just brought back
41:26
this in Bob way dollar and made there
41:29
was a period of time where
41:30
cryptocurrency was fine in Zimbabwe and
41:32
all there was a group of different
41:34
currencies that were fine in Zimbabwe
41:35
right now they actually just brought
41:38
back this in Bob Wade dollar and Maine
41:39
cryptocurrency legal well cryptocurrency
41:41
being illegal in Zimbabwe what do you
41:44
think is the first thing that happened
41:45
everybody we ran out and dumped whatever
41:48
they had in Bitcoin right well
41:51
especially if the alternative is the
41:52
Zimbabwean dollar for those who don’t
41:55
know the history of that at one point uh
41:58
the Zimbabwean dollar put it well I
42:03
don’t even know if anyone will be more
42:04
collapsed
42:07
yeah it was worth nothing like it was
42:12
worth less than a fraction of a fraction
42:15
of a percent of the cost of making it it
42:18
was what it was it made it made the the
42:22
Weimar Republic Franks look like our
42:25
Deutsche marks look like Swiss francs or
42:28
something I mean it just it made it look
42:29
like it was just an absolute joke of a
42:32
currency Venezuela’s currency is still
42:34
consumed arkad ly better than Zimbabwe
42:36
Slauson yeah I know I’m sure every I’m
42:38
sure everyone is an illegal holder of
42:41
Bitcoin and in Zimbabwe now let me ask
42:43
you this um so there are competing
42:46
theories on on the few for those who do
42:48
think cryptocurrency as a future the one
42:51
is that and I don’t know how you feel
42:54
about this so I I don’t want to I don’t
42:56
want to portray too much how I think so
42:58
I’ll try to I’ll try to say this and
43:00
sound sound unbiased but one is that
43:04
there’s going to be all these competing
43:07
currencies and that you know bitcoins
43:11
going to be used for this thing but that
43:14
they’re gonna be certain currencies that
43:16
have very generalized purposes so you’ll
43:20
only use it for X like you know pot we’d
43:23
coin or whatever that’s what you’ll use
43:25
if I want to buy weed yeah I maximalism
43:28
so what what are you what are your
43:30
thoughts on I think that by definition
43:37
money is something which benefits from
43:41
the greatest the money let me think how
43:44
to phrase this the best money is the one
43:48
that has the biggest network effect
43:50
alright so right now in the world the
43:52
best money is the best money to use is
43:55
the US dollar because you can use it
43:57
almost anywhere there handful of places
43:59
that refuse to accept it but right most
44:02
part you can and it’s the world’s trade
44:04
and reserve currency right and that’s
44:06
Network at that I think that Bitcoin
44:09
will have the greatest network effect so
44:13
you don’t see you know you want me to go
44:15
into why I can go
44:17
yeah I’m sure yeah I mean as much as you
44:19
want to delve into that absolutely
44:21
I mean for perceptual reasons simply
44:28
because it already does have the the
44:30
most network effect it’s the first it’s
44:33
Bitcoin and everything else is an
44:35
altcoin
44:35
and so deciding between which altcoin to
44:38
use versus you know the one that has
44:41
what is it forty to sixty percent of the
44:43
market right now right right I think
44:46
that there are multiple layers solutions
44:49
being built on top of Bitcoin that it
44:51
will make it much more functional you
44:53
know people have a problem with it being
44:56
slow although it’s not really that slow
44:59
let me actually address that you know
45:02
how long it takes to get a to clear a
45:05
PayPal transaction longer than Bitcoin
45:09
but but no I don’t know offhand you you
45:12
send me your PayPal address and I send
45:14
you money how long does it take for you
45:15
to actually hide oh and like in my bank
45:19
account
45:19
oh like three to five days like really
45:22
got it
45:23
yeah like three to five days or
45:24
something like that six months
45:28
really he cut yeah sure
45:30
because I can send it to you and you can
45:34
have it and you can spend it in theory
45:36
but if I go back and dispute the charge
45:40
PayPal can pull that out of your account
45:43
and you don’t actually have it until six
45:46
months of past so it’s essentially it’s
45:49
loaned to you for six months right right
45:54
like for example when you when you have
45:56
a you have a bank account and I write
46:02
you a check and you go and deposit that
46:03
check in here account now it hasn’t
46:05
cleared yet
46:06
but you can still go straight from the
46:08
bank it’s not going to clear till
46:09
tomorrow but you can go straight from
46:10
the bank and they clear you know thirty
46:12
percent of that check into your account
46:14
or X number of dollars whatever and you
46:16
can go and spend that even though
46:17
technically you don’t have it yet if the
46:19
check bounces then you have to pay that
46:22
money back right right right
46:23
that’s all it is it’s a loan so you
46:26
don’t actually have a completed
46:28
transaction with Bitcoin you have that
46:29
completed transaction in 20 minutes
46:32
right and then when you factor in like
46:34
fact frak
46:35
reserve banking which is like no one
46:37
really has the money and you know if
46:40
everyone came and got if even you know
46:41
what 20% of the people came and got
46:43
their money it would be this you know
46:44
massive crisis whereas a Bitcoin the
46:47
money was here
46:48
and now it’s over there and that’s the
46:51
100% of the amount of the money there so
46:52
it eliminates the whole all of the
46:55
inflationary effects that come from
46:56
fractional reserve banking or whatever
46:58
which is why you have central bankers
47:00
that hate it related oh yeah yeah so you
47:09
so you think that bitcoins gonna gonna
47:11
pretty much just dominate and and over
47:14
time there may still be smaller coins
47:17
but for the most part the bulk its gonna
47:19
dominate the market moving forward I’m
47:21
not a purist maximalist so I think that
47:24
I think that there are like for example
47:26
you know the dollar is the currency in
47:28
the United States right right right
47:29
but I also buy things with with credit
47:33
card points and you know all sorts of
47:35
other types of currency their use cases
47:38
for other types of things okay you know
47:40
yeah yeah so where those use cases apply
47:43
sure there will be other currencies I
47:45
think that I think that let’s let’s say
47:50
twenty years from now you might go into
47:51
a store and and look at the price on
47:54
something and that price is in Bitcoin
47:56
now once you get to the cash register
47:58
you might pay in you might pay in Manero
48:02
if you want to and you might pay in
48:04
Chase Sapphire points you know chase
48:07
unlimited points right right and I think
48:10
that those will all be I think that
48:12
Chase points will be on a blockchain and
48:14
I think that you know Amex points will
48:16
be on a blockchain I think that you’ll
48:17
be able to use those things
48:18
interchangeably with you know any other
48:21
currencies on you know a swap right
48:27
right right the the the merchants might
48:31
be getting paid in Bitcoin but you’re
48:33
paying in Chase points
48:38
blockchain is open right but the but the
48:41
actual the actual medium for exchange
48:43
will be Bitcoin I think that the I think
48:47
that pricing
48:48
it’s from being consistent right and
48:51
stable right yeah so having you know if
48:55
you go into this store in the end the
48:57
price of the bitcoin you go to the store
48:58
next door and the prices in aetherium
49:00
and you have to sit there and start
49:01
doing calculations right and keeping
49:04
track of a thousand different currencies
49:07
in order to know what the price of
49:08
anything is I think that’s that that
49:10
creates a market that’s very inefficient
49:12
and confusing yeah so I think that even
49:15
if a merchant wants to be paid in the
49:17
etherium they’ll still price everything
49:19
on their store shelves in Bitcoin and
49:21
you can still pay at the cash register
49:23
in Bitcoin it’s just that they’ll have a
49:25
swap to a theory and you know as it
49:28
comes into their wallet right right and
49:30
like even like even just having to
49:33
figure out two of them so like when we
49:35
were just in Niagara Falls a lot of
49:37
places have this much Canadian this much
49:40
American even that has people like well
49:44
I don’t well do you want to use our
49:47
American or Canadian and it’s like you
49:49
know and really they’re just basically
49:50
doing a little bit rougher version of
49:53
them well and that’s the thing so people
49:57
are trying to figure out you know
49:58
they’re going and like googling what
50:00
their banks exchange rate is to figure
50:03
out if they can and it’s you know for
50:04
like a fast food meal or something
50:06
you’re like they’re gonna save 6 cents
50:07
or whatever but but people do that
50:09
whereas you know now if you’ve got it
50:11
and especially when you’ve got these
50:13
coins and it’s gonna be down to like you
50:15
know the six decimal point and you’re
50:17
just trying you know like you said it’s
50:19
it’s gonna be to want but blocky to be
50:22
used on a mass scale for the average
50:24
consumer who’s just like I want it I
50:26
want to know what it costs so I can buy
50:29
it and then go about the rest of my day
50:31
we have a question we have a question
50:33
from Levi Markel who I don’t maybe
50:36
related who said he said what’s that
50:42
yeah he’s my cousin okay he asked what
50:46
actual value does crypto hold in a
50:48
permanent sense when compared to gold or
50:50
whatever what all value is subjective so
50:59
nothing really has any value until
51:01
somebody
51:02
he values it you know how much is a how
51:06
much value does gold have when you’re in
51:10
the desert and you’re dying of thirst
51:12
and somebody says I will sell you a
51:14
bottle of water for five gold coins and
51:19
that’s all you have I knew you’ll give
51:20
five gold coins no now right now that’s
51:25
$7,000 looking gold but it doesn’t
51:28
matter value our objective to the
51:29
situation into the individual so it
51:33
doesn’t really matter what whether it’s
51:34
gold or water or cryptocurrency right
51:37
right or like our future president
51:38
Marianne Williamson says value is
51:41
created when one helps another actualize
51:45
their potential which sounds
51:47
suspiciously like capitalism but anyway
51:49
um so yeah so that’s so speaking of
51:53
Bitcoin you can actually use Bitcoin to
51:56
purchase tickets to an Turco Vegas which
52:00
is coming up July 20th and 21st tell us
52:04
a little bit about Ann Turco Vegas you
52:05
said this is the first year there you
52:07
guys are doing this right this is the
52:08
first theater and we wanted to do
52:10
something you know locally in the states
52:13
where you know a lot of people find it
52:15
hard to go to things like cattle go
52:17
right you know you gotta have a passport
52:21
which cost money and the flights are
52:24
expensive and you know hotels and you
52:27
know the whole thing right so for a lot
52:31
of people that’s out of reach so we
52:33
wanted to do something where you know
52:34
Vegas is very cheap to fly to from
52:36
anywhere in the States tends to be it’s
52:40
pretty cheap to stay in then we thought
52:43
you know this is a fun city and people
52:47
can come and enjoy a weekend and hear a
52:50
bunch of speakers and learn something
52:51
and walk away with you know with
52:53
knowledge and connections and
52:55
relationships some people that they’ve
52:57
met without having to travel
52:59
international right very cool so whoo
53:02
what kind of like you have some speakers
53:05
booked already right yes
53:07
who are some of the people that you have
53:09
coming up for Ana pompeius so the full
53:12
speaker list is on the website Annika
53:14
Vegas calm but
53:16
we’ll have as far as like big names that
53:19
people might recognize we’ll have Larkin
53:21
rose and Griffin Jeff Berwick will be
53:24
speaking at Hanako Vegas we have a name
53:31
that a lot of people a lot of people
53:33
know him as though of the fifth column
53:34
and a lot of people know him as Justin
53:36
King and okay
53:39
both have you have you seen yeah I’ve
53:43
heard about the fifth column yeah have
53:45
you watched any of this stuff
53:47
not Reese I’ve got one that I could I
53:50
just remember that name and remember
53:52
watching something that someone shared
53:53
from him it’s funny he gets shared on
53:57
like now this and that’s like some
54:03
staunch Democratic page or you know
54:08
various things like that right all right
54:10
and he never uses the word anarchy but
54:13
at least not in his boat persona but
54:16
that’s smart though that’s right I yeah
54:20
amazing what what kind of effect he’s
54:23
having in the so the outside world you
54:26
know preaching instead of preaching to
54:28
the choir preaching to you know people
54:31
who see that there’s something wrong in
54:33
the world and can’t quite put their
54:36
finger on it because they are so
54:38
bombarded with propaganda but he kind of
54:41
he cuts right through it in an amazing
54:44
way
54:44
so he’ll be speaking this first time
54:46
publicly as both speaking as an
54:48
anarchist so that’s interesting come
54:52
we’ll have a crypto panel that sterling
54:56
Newham will be moderating well the media
55:01
panel that you know me Bravo will be
55:03
moderating an independent media pal and
55:08
we’ll have David Rodriguez speaking
55:11
about homeschooling and I’m schooling
55:13
nice and that’s one of my that’s one of
55:16
my favorite subjects there’s no Brian
55:18
Brian she’s fantastic
55:22
yeah I’ve heard of her as well
55:24
unschooling is one of my favorite
55:26
subjects I was didn’t realize it at the
55:29
time
55:30
but I was unschooled the last couple
55:32
years of high school when I had been
55:35
homeschooled previously my parents had
55:38
used religious home-school materials
55:41
because they were the easiest to find
55:42
and and then so it wasn’t markedly well
55:47
the the curriculum wasn’t markedly
55:48
different than what was that regular
55:50
public school the difference was that my
55:52
dad was taking me around and and like
55:56
showing me life and how things apply
55:58
that you know math applies to things and
55:59
science applies to things but the actual
56:01
curriculum was roughly the same the last
56:03
two years where they were printing my
56:05
dad was just pretty much keeping me out
56:07
of juvie because none of the high
56:08
schools in our county would take me um
56:10
he was pretty it was a lot more of a of
56:14
a relaxed way of teaching that it looks
56:17
like these are the things that the state
56:18
requires you to learn and so we’re gonna
56:20
learn those things but we’re not going
56:22
to use like a set curriculum to do that
56:25
and and it worked way better and it
56:27
prepared me for that was the same time
56:29
that I was telling you I started a web
56:30
design company that had me in the same
56:32
mindset where it was like oh wow I can
56:35
apply this stuff and make money from it
56:37
you know classic jus my dad’s teaching
56:39
me like how things can make money for me
56:41
and I’m like oh so I could actually
56:42
start making money from this and whereas
56:45
I think if I had been in school during
56:46
that time in public school during that
56:48
time I’d have been you know now you go
56:51
to college now you go to post-grad now
56:54
you become doctor lawyer did philosopher
56:58
whatever you become whatever hopefully
56:59
something I could actually make money
57:01
and I’m grateful that I was so bad in
57:04
9th and 10th grade that the schools
57:06
wouldn’t take me because that allowed me
57:08
to to be kind of set up to be more
57:10
independent were you so were you public
57:12
school or homeschooled er uh well my
57:16
mother was a schoolteacher oh that’s
57:19
right yeah you told me that you told me
57:20
that yeah though so we were enrolled in
57:23
school and we physically went to school
57:26
but most of my education came from
57:30
basically at home but not in a home
57:33
schooling you know structured curriculum
57:34
sort of way right but but just in the
57:37
sense that my parents you know my father
57:40
was my father’s very scholarly and
57:41
always encouraged learning
57:44
we had a house full of books we didn’t
57:45
have a television in the house so we
57:47
read a lot and much of my education came
57:51
from 13 words that my parents would tell
57:53
me when we’d ask them the question they
57:55
would say let’s go to the library and
57:57
see if there’s a book about it yes and
58:00
so we’d go to the library and you know
58:02
five kids we’d pilot to the station
58:04
wagon and come back at that time you
58:06
were allowed to check out five books at
58:07
a time and we’d come back home with 25
58:10
books five each and the librarians
58:13
didn’t believe that we were actually you
58:15
know reading five books in the you know
58:18
in the water I think was two weeks time
58:20
period that we had them and you know it
58:25
was funny because we actually didn’t
58:27
read you know but I would check out five
58:29
books and my brother would check out
58:30
five books and so on and so forth right
58:33
we weren’t reading five books I would
58:35
finish my books and then I can go and
58:36
read his books right right
58:38
and so we just we read a lot and so
58:42
that’s where my education really came
58:43
from yeah yeah it’s interesting this is
58:47
our childhood seem like they parallel a
58:49
lot because here’s another thing so my
58:52
my mom is incredibly bright she’s not
58:54
and she’d be the first one to say she’s
58:56
not very she has things that interest
58:59
her but she’s not like me or like you
59:01
were it’s like you sort of want to learn
59:03
all these different things she’s not so
59:05
much like that so when I would ask her
59:06
stuff she would say and she didn’t know
59:07
she’d go I don’t know let’s go find out
59:10
and she’d take me to the library and we
59:12
would and you know I’m also a
59:14
pre-internet kid and you know we check
59:16
out books and and or I’d sometimes stay
59:18
there for quite a while and breed stuff
59:20
there when the internet happened I
59:23
turned into a total nerd because I
59:25
didn’t care about the rest of these
59:26
losers at all now I could literally just
59:29
stay at home and and you know and and
59:31
you know learn stuff at the speed of a
59:32
dial-up connection and and it was
59:35
incredible but um so one of the things
59:37
in your one of the things you’re
59:39
featuring in the and we’ve only loosely
59:43
mentioned him before your head you have
59:45
a free Ross Albright or Oh Brooke not
59:49
sure how you say that thing that’s
59:52
happening during that and then I think
59:54
you have you’re gonna have Ross’s Russ’s
59:57
is that
59:57
mother there yeah Lin is his mother yeah
60:00
yeah tell us about Russ Oh break it is
60:02
it all brighter oberek I think it’s over
60:06
it yeah I think it isn’t well we’ve
60:09
mentioned it briefly on this show and
60:11
we’ve mentioned him a couple times on
60:13
the show I co-host with Matt right muddy
60:15
waters of freedom give us a little
60:18
primer on Ross Ulbricht and Russ
60:20
ohlbrecht and just the absolute travesty
60:22
that of what’s what’s happened to him so
60:26
so to start with he he created a website
60:30
where people could securely conduct
60:33
trade any kind of trade I mean right
60:35
some chairs or whatever you could sell
60:38
anything on on that marketplace but it
60:41
was secure and and identities were were
60:47
very well hidden and so on and so was
60:49
essentially a drug marketplace now Ross
60:51
himself was just a webmaster right and
60:56
he ran the site and they somehow a
61:02
couple of federal agents were able to
61:06
infiltrate and they busted him and he
61:09
went to prison for conspiracy to you
61:12
know to money launderer and conspiracy
61:15
to try remember exactly what the charges
61:19
were but it was you know basically you
61:20
know drug dealing and money laundering
61:21
and stuff like that which I like every
61:23
like every single crime of Commerce
61:26
technically they could put on him right
61:28
but but actually ever committed any of
61:30
those crimes that’s the same and not
61:34
only he hadn’t committed any of those
61:36
crimes be they’re actually laws in place
61:38
that protect webmasters from crimes that
61:42
are committed by people on their website
61:43
right example if you’re if you’re
61:45
Craigslist and somebody is doing you
61:49
know human trafficking and prostitution
61:50
on your site you’re not liable for what
61:54
your users did so that actually laws
61:55
about that right that and that’s the
61:58
thing so I mean if he’s in jail because
62:01
he’s in jail for like the rest of his
62:02
life right essentially yeah I mean
62:05
unless he’s pardoned or you know the
62:07
appeal or whatever but I mean he’s hit
62:09
as the sentencing stands he’ll never
62:10
he’ll never
62:11
see freedom again and you’ve got and in
62:15
my mind like you said Craigslist
62:17
Backpage up here what’s it called that’s
62:20
big here it’s like the Canadian Kijiji
62:22
um there’s so much a-league Facebook
62:25
sure i I have seen people post weed in
62:29
Facebook marketplace why is Mark
62:32
Zuckerberg not going to jail for this
62:34
now of course he like just like with
62:36
rust mark has absolutely nothing to do
62:38
with that or going even further
62:40
you know if someone sells something and
62:42
misrepresents it in on Amazon why would
62:47
Jeff Bezos not then you know get a
62:48
racketeering charge for you know
62:50
conspiracy to defraud people why do you
62:54
think that the reason my theory is that
62:56
the reason they came after him so hard
62:58
is because it was so they had such a
63:00
hard time for so long
63:02
infiltrating it as opposed to Craigslist
63:04
where you just basically sit there and
63:05
wait for someone stupid enough to say
63:07
hey you want to buy crack or whatever
63:09
and and this was like it was more
63:11
difficult do you think there’s more to
63:13
order you think it was just that he made
63:14
a better website so he’s spending the
63:16
rest of his life in prison for it it was
63:18
stuff it was so effective that they I
63:22
believe they felt they had to make an
63:24
example out of the Silk Road in order to
63:27
scare off anybody from doing that and I
63:31
mean interestingly enough as as soon as
63:34
he was arrested people started working
63:36
on Silk Road – and that went up but
63:39
pretty much months later a couple months
63:42
later right right look
63:44
– went up and then that guy got arrested
63:47
and I think he’s already out and then so
63:52
probe three went up and an IV I mean
63:54
there were other people that were
63:55
arrested for sites like this and none of
63:59
them got anywhere near that sort of
64:02
sentence you know they just wanted to
64:03
make a an example out of Ross to the
64:07
point where his trial can barely even be
64:10
considered a trial you know there’s such
64:12
a kangaroo trial actually the the the
64:16
two federal agents that were involved in
64:19
in infiltrating and arresting him those
64:22
two agents were arrested them
64:24
dolls actually on corruption and you
64:29
know stealing money and you know the
64:31
whole the whole thing was just such a
64:33
just such a screw-up yeah and they were
64:37
not allowed to point out any of that in
64:39
Ross’s trial you know and they had these
64:43
these agents had access to they had men
64:46
access to to the site you know what I
64:49
mean when I say root access right yeah
64:51
yeah yeah yeah they could falsified any
64:54
of the evidence that was presented you
64:57
know
64:57
that’s incredible it’s incredible and
65:00
again like you said other people have
65:01
been making it since then and haven’t
65:04
gotten nearly the charges when they’ve
65:05
been caught it’s it stinks to hell from
65:09
what I’ve read I’m like half of it was
65:12
yes he made something so effective that
65:14
it made it really really really a lot
65:16
easier to sell drugs online and sell
65:20
prostitution and whatever other
65:21
voluntary commerce that consenting
65:24
adults want to engage in that are that’s
65:26
illegal
65:26
it made it a lot easier for a while at
65:29
least but I think some of it was just
65:31
stuff specific to him like you said
65:34
corrupt cops and everything else it’s
65:35
it’s absolutely ridiculous so you guys
65:37
are having I guess a benefit to to to
65:41
free him and I know there’s a petition
65:43
attached tell us a little bit about what
65:45
you guys are doing and so essentially
65:48
with the free Ross party there’s well
65:53
that’s included and you know if you buy
65:55
a ticket to Vegas you go to the party
65:57
you know we have our event basically the
66:01
same day the same weekend as Freedom
66:04
Fest so if any Freedom Fest attendees
66:06
want to after Freedom Fest ends on
66:08
Saturday they want to come Saturday
66:10
night to the party it’s a thirty dollar
66:12
donation we’re just basically gonna
66:15
cover our costs for the location and you
66:18
know cleaning costs and whatever
66:20
purchases we have to do and then after
66:21
that everything goes to Lynn I think
66:27
actually somebody’s donating some really
66:30
cool custom like one-off merchandise
66:34
that will be auctioned nice for
66:38
for that also so I haven’t seen it yet
66:41
but but should from what I hear it’s
66:44
some pretty cool stuff so that’s worth
66:46
checking out so yeah somebody’s that
66:47
freedom fast and wants to come or if you
66:50
just happen to live in Vegas or be
66:52
around and you don’t want to come to
66:54
talk friends or you’re busy on Sunday
66:56
but just come and hang out and party
66:57
with us on Saturday night that’s very
66:59
cool
67:00
yeah that’s very very cool yeah I think
67:03
it’s I think you’re gonna do well on
67:04
this cuz I’ve heard such great things
67:06
about an Urkel poco and but the first
67:09
thing I hear from people that don’t go
67:10
is like you know I’m having to get a
67:14
passport or a lot so I’ve met a lot of
67:16
people that I’ve talked to a lot of
67:18
people that the reason they can’t go is
67:19
because they have some kind of charge on
67:21
their record that they actually can’t go
67:22
to Mexico like they’ve got some kind of
67:24
stupid simple possession charge or DUI
67:27
charge from God knows how long ago and
67:29
and they can’t go so this actually makes
67:31
it a lot easier if you want to be able
67:33
to go to that and it’s obviously would
67:35
be less expensive too so that’s that’s
67:36
really cool I’ve talked to Justin King
67:39
and just about getting Justin to come
67:41
down to speak at a book oh and Justin
67:45
goes sorry but I can’t you know just I
67:48
can’t stop you know so he’s got also you
67:52
know some kind of legal stuff and and so
67:55
can’t go nope I’m gonna see him at a
67:57
bull go ever yeah that goes for other
67:59
people too just can’t travel country
68:02
yeah whatever reason my co-host on the
68:05
muddy waters of freedom couldn’t visit
68:06
me up here in Canada
68:07
cuz he has like an old possession charge
68:09
in a country that were weed is legal now
68:12
weed is level here or at least you know
68:16
state purchased weed or weed you grow on
68:18
your own or whatever is but weeds legal
68:20
here but if you have a possession charge
68:22
somewhere else you cannot come here and
68:25
so unless he gets you know pays to get
68:27
you know some stupid misdemeanor
68:29
expunged from his record he can’t come
68:31
here so it’s it’s it’s ridiculous but so
68:34
a narco Vegas so that’s really cool um
68:38
Jakub thank you again for joining us I
68:40
really had an absolute blast having you
68:42
on before I let you go I just want to
68:45
give you a chance to tell it it’s talk
68:48
about anything that you oh that was
68:50
there was one more thing
68:51
to ask you about and then we’ll do your
68:52
final thoughts after that do you I don’t
68:55
know do you consider yourself an
68:56
anarcho-capitalist or just an it’s just
68:58
no no – ation anarchists err I used to
69:04
lately I’m leaning much more towards
69:07
just anarchists without advocate is that
69:09
I think that I think them a lot of
69:12
people get caught up into the semantics
69:14
of you know I always always like to make
69:20
a differentiation between like property
69:22
and a dark ism and at that property and
69:24
ass right right right right and cap
69:26
versus and calm because it’s not really
69:28
the lines aren’t as clear as an cat vs
69:30
addcom it’s ready property right and the
69:34
truth there is and let me ask you a
69:36
question actually do you believe that
69:40
let’s say let’s say I I go and I
69:44
homestead a property and and you know I
69:49
build it out and it’s legitimately owned
69:52
by me and so on and I pass away right
70:01
and my children couldn’t care less it’s
70:04
you know some property out in the woods
70:05
and it’s run down and whatever and you
70:09
know they couldn’t care less about it
70:10
and so it just lies fallow and starts to
70:15
deteriorate somebody comes in ten years
70:18
later and says okay this is this is cool
70:19
there’s a party of foundation here
70:21
there’s a couple of walls still up I’m
70:24
gonna move into this property and
70:25
rebuild it you know well let’s say they
70:27
they rebuild it and my grandson or
70:30
something goes out to you know to visit
70:33
there because oh he heard that you know
70:35
grandpa had a place out there he wants
70:36
to go see it and he sees that there’s
70:37
this you know really nice house that
70:39
somebody built there he goes oh that’s
70:41
my grandfather’s property he wants to
70:43
claim it
70:43
do you believe that in between there
70:45
there’s some kind of abandonment or the
70:48
abandonment of property is possible you
70:50
person so this is an excellent question
70:53
about essentially the nature of the
70:55
stickiness of property rights and I’m
70:57
going to give myself 30 seconds on the
71:00
clock and answer this so I think that
71:04
in general this is somewhat of a trolley
71:08
problem in that if someone’s value what
71:12
the value they see in a property is is
71:14
so low that they just let it sit there
71:16
someone’s probably gonna buy it from
71:18
them for next to nothing so I think in
71:21
most cases it deals with itself but in
71:23
general I think that in a post state
71:25
society you’re gonna you’re gonna find
71:27
that a question like that is going to be
71:29
settled by that local community and in
71:31
most cases that far along no it would be
71:36
hard for them to argue that it was a
71:37
band I know I’ve gone past the thirty
71:39
seconds but uh it would be hard to argue
71:41
that it was not abandoned you know if
71:44
you’re talking generations you know if
71:46
you’re talking five or six years that’s
71:48
one thing but if you’re talking
71:48
generations I think in most communities
71:51
they’re gonna end up saying yeah you
71:53
haven’t really done anything with this
71:55
and you know your great-grandfather or
71:58
whatever owned this but you know there’s
72:00
been nothing here and you know
72:02
everything that was here before has you
72:05
know disintegrated and you know the
72:06
trees have grown up growing up over it’s
72:08
it’s not really yours anymore what do
72:10
you agree with me on that or that’s the
72:12
wrong answer okay the correct answer is
72:14
that if they registered it with some
72:17
kind of title company and it was
72:19
possible to find the owners right and
72:21
they made the effort to register the
72:24
property and so somebody saw that
72:25
property and said oh I want that
72:27
property let me see if there are owners
72:29
if they couldn’t it was impossible to
72:31
find the owners and they move in they
72:35
moved in and right you’re gonna come in
72:37
and say hey that’s mine well go ahead
72:39
and prove it
72:40
I’m sorry you can’t prove it and I’m
72:42
gonna defend what I’ve built here right
72:44
if you’ve made the effort to register
72:47
that property with some kind of title
72:49
company where it’s findable and somebody
72:52
can look for the owners and find them
72:55
and say hey I’ll give you a hundred
72:56
bucks or whatever for that property a
72:58
Bitcoin right then that removes the
73:04
issue of abandonment and that’s actually
73:08
in the don’t be solved by markets but
73:09
not by not by philosophy right and
73:12
that’s actually an interesting thing
73:14
because I just recently had read about
73:16
the idea of you know
73:18
who’s gonna enforce property without a
73:20
state and people were saying you could
73:22
actually apply the blockchain to use as
73:25
sort of a trustless system of having you
73:29
know basically a register that anyone
73:32
can check in any given time of who owns
73:34
what land and and what a larger like
73:39
buildings and things like that or you
73:41
know who owns ownership shares of a
73:43
company and things that those are all
73:45
things that can be in a in a trustless
73:47
blockchain without needing state
73:49
enforcement for it right so I think that
73:53
markets will solve the issue not
73:55
philosophy so I think that the idea of
73:57
sticky property is kind of irrelevant
74:00
because you can cry from now until next
74:04
year about property being sticky but
74:06
when it comes down to real life either
74:09
either the market has solved this solved
74:12
for stickiness or you know come up with
74:15
some solution that that allows you as a
74:18
as an owner of property protective
74:21
property you know and and if it doesn’t
74:24
then we’re right we’re right back to
74:25
square one at some point where you’ve
74:27
got to stay right yeah that’s just a
74:31
fact of reality like again we live in a
74:36
call it a status Society right the truth
74:40
of the matter is we live in an anarchist
74:41
society only that there are criminals
74:45
and anarchism doesn’t doesn’t do away
74:48
with criminals
74:49
you’ll still have criminality we just
74:51
have to find market solutions to
74:52
criminality and so so things like ways
74:56
for example which allow you to bypass
74:57
highway robbers but the more those
75:02
solutions become the freer and more
75:04
secure will be you know economically and
75:07
and in our personal lives and so on but
75:10
we have to have to actually find market
75:11
solutions right right philosophy is
75:14
irrelevant so saying that I believe in
75:16
sticky property or don’t believe in
75:18
sticky property that I’m property Rhian
75:20
or anti proprietary and this is sort of
75:22
irrelevant you know well you can only
75:26
and this is this is my ego is speaking
75:29
like you said you can only own what you
75:31
can
75:31
and either you were a proxy if if if you
75:35
aren’t you know even something small as
75:38
a toothbrush if if your ability to
75:41
defend it is less than the perceived
75:44
self-interest of the person who wants to
75:46
take it from you but it ain’t yours
75:48
anymore at some point it’s not your
75:53
money anymore the reason that I am
75:56
secure that no one’s gonna take this
75:59
bottle of water from me is because hey
76:03
I’ve already drank from it B which means
76:06
the person’s gonna want it that much
76:08
less Oh there’s very little perceived
76:12
self-interest on their part to take this
76:14
bottle of water from me because they
76:16
could get in trouble for it
76:17
I might fight them for it I wouldn’t
76:19
because I have another one right here
76:20
but they you know there are so many
76:22
other reasons that instead of doing that
76:24
they either go by the bottle of water
76:26
themselves or they say hey can I have
76:28
this other bottle of water and I’d say
76:29
yeah sure but it’s not the belief in the
76:33
nature of property rights that allows me
76:36
to feel secure that no one’s going to
76:38
try to kill me for this bottle of water
76:40
it’s the reality of life and of power
76:42
that that makes it that way so that but
76:44
it’s a very it’s an interesting subject
76:45
I like the fact that markets solve
76:49
things that we don’t have to go back to
76:52
a forced Association system because
76:55
there’s a market system that’s better if
76:57
people can organize if people are able
77:00
to organize within a system of forced
77:02
Association which is the far less than
77:04
ideal way of doing things then they can
77:06
definitely do it in a system of
77:07
voluntary Association where they can
77:10
come up with far better and more
77:11
efficient ways of doing things well and
77:14
the history of freedom is the history of
77:16
markets right the Magna Carta wasn’t
77:18
signed because because of magnanimity it
77:21
was signed because of it was a response
77:24
to objective reality right well going on
77:28
in the world you know yeah I was the
77:31
King not wanting to die I mean that a
77:34
lot of times where the the state has
77:36
ceded any level of control or
77:38
decentralized anything it’s usually
77:40
after a revolt or a threat of a revolt
77:43
that was very
77:45
a very effective threat or very critical
77:50
threat of a revolt they go okay well
77:52
here you can have a little bit of this
77:53
and that and I mean so it is what it is
77:55
so anyway again really great to have you
77:58
on I hope to be able to have you on
77:59
again soon maybe to promote future
78:02
anarcho Vegas events but before I let
78:04
you go I just want to give you a chance
78:06
to talk about anything that you feel
78:08
like we haven’t addressed if there’s
78:10
anything that you want to plug or
78:11
promote now is your time to do it you
78:13
have as much time as you want
78:15
yakov mark held the floor is yours thank
78:19
you and come come check us out we have a
78:25
great speaker lineup that’s gonna be a
78:27
pretty interesting party and one of the
78:31
things that people love about going to
78:32
add a couple go is not not even as much
78:36
the speakers although that’s certainly
78:37
part of it but being able to go and hang
78:40
out with Larkin Rose you know outside
78:43
and and have a conversation with Jeffrey
78:46
Tucker and joy wick and get rid Griffin
78:48
and you know hey G Edward Griffin let me
78:51
buy you a beer and so those interactions
78:54
and relationships and other people that
78:56
you meet who are also there it’s just
78:58
such a amazing social experience and
79:02
that’s that’s why I’ve gone back every
79:04
year not because I I go for the speakers
79:07
I sit still very poorly when somebody’s
79:10
talking at me right right right
79:13
from you know school years like I don’t
79:16
do it very well
79:17
but but to be able to sit at the bar and
79:19
have a four-hour conversation with mark
79:21
edge or Jeffrey Tucker or whoever that’s
79:25
just an amazing experience and it’s
79:27
worthwhile you know so yeah definitely
79:31
come and check us out and we’ll actually
79:34
happen I don’t know how many tickets we
79:36
have left for it but we’re doing a
79:38
speakers brunch right before the
79:40
conference starts and we only have 20
79:43
tickets available and I’m not sure how
79:45
many have sold so if you want to do
79:47
something like that that’ll be really
79:49
cool and yeah that’s it check me out at
79:53
Anarchy Jewish man on Facebook and tend
79:57
to post interesting stuff I
79:59
so that’s my spiel very good good spiel
80:03
I’m happy for your spiel
80:04
oh yeah through the whole show well you
80:10
start you you kind of did a preview
80:11
before yeah I had my two guests ago REM
80:16
so Martinez said that this is sort of
80:19
the opposite I’m the opposite
80:21
I’m in the basement and everyone knows
80:23
where I am um but uh so there now we did
80:27
it dude oh but guys yeah be sure to
80:29
check out an Turco Vegas and all of the
80:32
the links are gonna be in the show notes
80:34
so be sure to check those all out the
80:37
Anarchy Jewish man and all of that um
80:40
Jakob again thank you so much stick
80:42
around I’m gonna talk with you bit for a
80:43
bit during the outro
80:45
but guys thank you again for tuning in
80:46
to my fellow Americans it was an
80:48
absolute mitzvah there you go
80:50
submits but to have you here and and so
80:55
baby shot
80:56
what’s that thank you very much
81:00
absolutely and guys be sure to tune in
81:02
tomorrow night
81:03
the 11th for Matt right on the writers
81:07
block he will be interviewing Kim ruff
81:09
the one of the libertarian presidential
81:12
candidates and and then on Friday night
81:15
shabbat shalom it’s Jason Lyon
81:18
he’s a Gentile but uh be sure to check
81:21
him out on mr. America the bearded truth
81:22
and then have a great weekend tune in
81:24
again next Monday for Jason Lyon on his
81:27
non Shabbat episode of missed America
81:29
the bearded truth and and then tune in
81:31
on Tuesday night were for the muddy
81:35
waters of freedom where Matt and I met
81:36
right and I will be parsing through the
81:39
week’s the week’s events with the with
81:42
the joy of a child and then tune in
81:44
again next Wednesday right here probably
81:47
8 p.m. for my fellow Americans I will be
81:50
entry I will be who was my guest charity
81:53
Nicole will be my guest so be sure to
81:56
check that out but guys thanks again for
81:58
watching we will see you soon and god
82:01
bless you
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